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Starting point is 00:01:00 More on them in just a bit. We are here and we're ready. So if you're ready, we're going to start this thing. Let go. Oh, I love to see it. My God. Fantastic. Show is so good.

Starting point is 00:01:25 What a show. Frickeronian cheese. Guys, guys, if you're listening to this on Apple or Spotify, you have five stars. We just watch episode six, seven, eight of the friendly neighborhood, your friendly neighborhood, Spider-Man. That's right. Guys, how are we feeling? How are you feeling post-episode? Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:01:48 Damn, look at Tony. Yeah. Tony Stark, damn. Comic-acure it. I love that they went way comicky with the design, not like a Marvel Cinematic Universe drawing design. Yeah, this show's gotten better. three block of episodes Yeah, the first couple

Starting point is 00:02:04 episodes I was definitely like, this good, I'm happy And then the next block, I was like, whoa, and now I'm just enthralled. I'm truly enamored for the show. I think it's a really great show. Man, all right. Next level. So true like television escapeism, you know?

Starting point is 00:02:18 Truly. I think we would switch it up the order of who's gone every time. As long as I'm last. I know's the game. That's right. We got to build a bump. You got to keep that hose and let it fly.

Starting point is 00:02:32 We'll keep continuity. We'll go with the same order we started in. Greg, what did you think of this episode? Wow. It is a little challenging when you want to talk about, because you want to talk about the hole, right? Yeah, we got to talk about all three. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:45 I think we can ignore the Daredevil episode, guys. I will gladly talk about some. I'll find something to talk about. Sure, Daredevil. Yeah. The usage of Daredevil was awesome. like the way they implement the way they've implemented all the superheroes in addition can feel like i think the debut of dr strange in the first episode of this series had all of us

Starting point is 00:03:11 kind of be like all right this is going to be like some weird like cameo show thingy yeah because even the usage of daredevil and she hulk was like fun um he hit pausing yeah the usage of daredevil and she hulk was really fun but they were definitely like we got to find a way to get like they're doubling. And the way they've used every character to further world build slash drive the plot forward in a way that actually makes sense and contributes to Peter's development as well, like right down from Iron Man showing up to enhance. Because they did have even in the movies.

Starting point is 00:03:43 Think about that, right? They had the Secovia Accords take place, but we don't really see in the movies the use of General Ross using the superheroes. Yeah. Oh, yeah, shit. That's a thing that they do. and the show actually did that and to tease us like i like how the only tease we've really got in of norman osborne being potentially a bad guy is from the fact that daredevil was

Starting point is 00:04:07 investigating him and even after that they haven't really done anything to hint that norman osborne's a bad dude they even write down have like the glider show up in a heroic fashion to save spider man and so using daredevil in that fight to get that wishful moment of the fight scene and like it really hit me in this i've said before like if you're going to ask me my favorite mccu character is i'm going to say daredevil and i don't it hit me when i was watching this like oh you know what daredevil's not my favorite comic book character he's not i i just think charlie cox plays him so perfect so the hybrid combination of them is just so perfect that i i love the portrait it makes me love daredevil that much more and then even hearing charlie cox just

Starting point is 00:04:53 voicing him i'm like god damn charlie cox is just perfect he is just perfect as daredevil so yeah it gave me a lot of uh thrills and chills oh for uh maybe that should be the show uh thrills and chills for uh watching dare devil here but i know that was like an act one of this three episode stuff so let a lot of a lot of room here for anyone else to expand on shit but yeah i love the daredevil moment that was great oh man john yeah man this was a terrific chunk of episodes and what I especially appreciate I guess in sort of macro view is that you know the show obviously has been flirting with various uh stakes and various lessons for peter to learn and various you know instances of that harsh Parker luck and whatnot um but this

Starting point is 00:05:42 especially as of these three it feels like the progression into like shit getting real has really calcified because like there's something kind of fun about the daredevil episode and you're still kind of in the midst of, you know, the funning games of like really getting to the point where you're going to reach a ceiling of some kind and then we're going to have to grow and evolve and then you get the next couple of episodes dealing. A, you know, with just the interpersonal drama caused by the knowledge of who Spider-Man is and why with his friends, but also now, like, introducing the danger of people knowing and then coming to this head, you know, you got the Scorpion fight to show. like, okay, now Peter is actually outmatched and now we've flirted with that before and we had Norman talking him through, you know, fighting the

Starting point is 00:06:30 natural born killers couple and, you know, we flirted with that then, but now we really got to that point where it's like, oh shit, he's been bested and he knows that this is possible and that because he's out there more people are going to rise to this occasion and get bigger and badder weapons and whatnot. And then coming

Starting point is 00:06:47 to this ultimate, you know, place that we leave off of on as of episode 8, feeling like, yeah, like the stakes are now really big in their life or death, and it's like Lonnie hangs in the balance, and Peter, in an individual way, you know, with his growth journey is sort of at this precipice where, yeah, he has to kind of take the matters into his own hands, and as much as the tutelage and the mentorship from Norman has been crucial, and, you know, the support from May and stuff like that on an emotional level has been crucial. he's going to have to kind of go and carve his own path out and I love how they've drawn that in context of Norman as you were pointing out because yeah it's like we've only had a couple they have a lot of audience anticipation to play off of and I like that with the origin and the great power great responsibility theme and the way they've it's like we come into a show like this and a lot of superhero things now we're like we know the origin we don't need a million times and so I think they've done something really smart here which is to do dance around the idea of power and what can come of that power and with Norman mentoring him

Starting point is 00:07:57 it makes a lot of sense that he would iterate the message this way and it speaks to who his character is and it speaks to potentially what I could imagine his actual turn potentially toward villainy to be because you know it's been personified in a lot of different ways whereas here

Starting point is 00:08:13 it almost feels like this very gradual thing that it's like once he achieves a crucial redline amount of power then the villain will be unlocked and I think that's actually pretty interesting and too to have him guiding Spider-Man and to have this distorted version

Starting point is 00:08:29 of the message is a really cool thing and it justifies itself not like I like the way that they've included little hints of Uncle Ben and little ideas and I still wonder because I thought back to spectacular how that brought in Uncle Ben and brought in the origin later

Starting point is 00:08:45 as a crucial personal moment that was appropriate for a flashback. So here I wonder how they're going to ultimately pay off the Ben side of things because he is pointedly in like in here but also yeah like the twist and the freshness of having this articulation of Norman and Peter's relationship and Harry in the midst of all that is really cool. There are many more things to talk about but that was the first thing on my mind. Aaron, you're definitely next in this tandem. Yes. And then we're done. So that's it. We're wrapping the rest for you. Oh, man. I think the great thing about this show,

Starting point is 00:09:26 it's the epitome of the difference between a kids' show and an animated series. And I feel like a lot of people that don't really watch animation have trouble making that delineation between those two things. This is a show that could be live action if it wanted to be, but utilize its medium to enhance what we know about comics and play with those, subvert that. but also show a lot of love and homage to those things. It reminds you it's a whole medium, not just a genre. Exactly, exactly. And the way that this show really, really honors its character, it's not just trying to play service to mandates.

Starting point is 00:10:03 Like, all right, we need X amount of action scenes, and we need this character to do this thing, and so on and so on. We watched three episodes back to back. And in the last episode, it was hitting me as you guys were talking. I was like, dang, this last episode was the first episode. We didn't get a single moment of him in the suit of Spider-Man. We're just so enthralled with watching him be Peter Parker and deal with these things and having these ideologies, the differences in ideology between how he's being mentored.

Starting point is 00:10:30 It's so compelling from a writing standpoint. It's really impressive. And I'm so happy that we're able to capture some of those things that are inherently Spider-Man without being all the things we quintessentially associate with Spider-Man. from media, but also honoring those things in other types of ways. I like the fact that we're able to really invest in our side characters and have it feel really organic and genuine. The relationship between Nico and Harry is so compelling,

Starting point is 00:11:05 even getting to spend some time with Noran Osborne and have that set up in the next episode with him being arrested for the Socovia Accords. And even the little bit we get with Daredevil, even though it hasn't fully come back into the play because like they said like okay we gotta find what's going on with that dare double guy I imagine it's gonna be sometime in the last two episodes

Starting point is 00:11:25 but him just planting the seeds it served two purposes one to give us like oh my god daredevil Charlie Cox this is great but also to help further the story this is the perfect marriage of a great plot meets great character development and you don't get that too often with especially animated shows

Starting point is 00:11:44 granted I think the only time I've experienced this at least in the realm of Spider-Man animation has been spectacular. It's been 15 years since we've got Matt. There must also come great character development. Yeah, man. And we want to have like, what, three Spider-Man shows between this one and that one? And I'm like, wow, why did it take so long to get there? And the fact that we're taking our time with Peter and Norman's relationship

Starting point is 00:12:06 and subverting what we know that to traditionally be, and it was hitting me as we were watching him and Norman and Peter, like figuring out the thing with the gamma radiation and then him abandoning him to find out where Norman was. I'm like, oh, this is great. This is a great opportunity to see those characters bond in a way we haven't seen necessarily before, at least with adaptations for us to become invested in their relationship. That way, when we do finally get the goblin, it hits that much harder and he serves as that much more of a threat because he has planted some of these ideologies in peter's head but also because he just knows so much about him in every angle

Starting point is 00:12:51 every side of his life he's making his suits he's funding his life you know and i i'm really excited to see how that all comes to head uh in the future and yeah i'm i'm just excited i really hope this show you know i'm happy it's getting three seasons so far and i really hope that it goes on for many more years to come because I want to see all the Spider-Man villains I want to see hell I want to see this dude get out of high school I want to see what goes on beyond that you know

Starting point is 00:13:20 I want to see if takes a picture you want to go beyond the spider oh snap oh snap and then maybe eventually you'll be on the neighborhood yeah and then we'll eventually get some of those other classic Spider-Man characters maybe like a Gwen or maybe like a Mary Jane who knows if we don't get those characters

Starting point is 00:13:38 I'm fine too but yeah I am thoroughly thoroughly enjoying what we're watching and the stakes are only getting higher as we go along. Open riff season. Let's go, people. All right, all right. Spider-Man. Okay, so the show is doing something that I think is very

Starting point is 00:13:54 interesting in that there are entire A plots, as Aaron pointed out, that don't have Spider-Man in them. And when I think about Spider-Man, I think about, everyone always talks about Batman and Spider-Man having the best rogue's galleries. That doesn't work unless they also have the best support system.

Starting point is 00:14:10 And Batman has the whole bat family. Batman has incredible, like, support in interesting dynamic ways. But people don't give Spider-Man support enough credit either with Gwen, Mary Jane, Jonah, Robbie Robertson, Randy Roberts, and Harry. The family dynamic of Spider-Man is so interesting because it shows you that family is more than blood. Family is the dynamics of the relationships you have in your life. This show knows that. I think the reason we haven't had good adaptations of Spider-Man as consistently. as they try to make a Spider-Man show that just follows the adventurer

Starting point is 00:14:43 and does token quotes of certain things and pulls in bad guys. But it's the dynamic that build up Spider-in that make him so interesting. And this show is leaning into some of the classic Spider-Man stuff is sitting down where it's a double date with Harry and Mary Jane is dating Harry and he's with Gwen Stacy and they go out to like restaurants and clubbing and stuff. Some of the most interesting dynamics are at the Daily Bugle where, you know, Robbie Robertson's dealing with his dad being beaten up by Jonah verbally. This show is taking the time that usually you only get when comics are released weekly.

Starting point is 00:15:15 What I think this show is doing so exceptionally is every single time a person gets more interesting, it makes Peter Parker more interesting in how he relates to them. So you've got this entire subplot of Nico and Harry, and that makes it so much more interesting when you've got Harry and Spider-Man relating, and that makes the relationship with Norman even more interesting. And they're almost doing the thing we did with Civil War, where it took 10 movies to build up Cap and Iron Man that when they fought you were so invested in both sides

Starting point is 00:15:45 we're getting that with Spider-Man and Norman and that is so interesting because in the comic books Norman has such an interesting dynamic with Peter Parker because he's the son he always wanted and Harry's Peter's friend so you've got this great dynamic and Spider-Man looks up to Norman in his own way he looks up to Doc Ock in his own way so this is using a lot of the same themes

Starting point is 00:16:05 and thesis is but it's subverting them And I said in the first block, the more this show changes canon, the better the show is. The second block, I was talking about how we get to be surprised as comic fans with the way things are going, because it's going like you think it's a half left. This block, they have taken all of that. They have up the stakes. They have made you care about everyone to the point where you're just as invested in Lonnie as Peter, if not more. Now we're invested in Nico and Harry just as much.

Starting point is 00:16:31 Now we're really curious at what point Norman does fully break bad because they've sprinkled it just enough that everything is about that experience. So when we get to the finale of this season, which thankfully is not a series finale, but we're going to be so if Harry and Norman ever become Goblin. And it's going to be like this sprinkling thing. And they're doing such a great slow burn. It is like a breaking bad, like a soprano's, like a, like the classic TV shows that know not to rush, that know to let it breathe while being vibrant and animated and fill of action. So they all spoke of specific things.

Starting point is 00:17:04 I wanted to look at the broad, you know, first eight episodes of the show. We had Daredevil and it didn't feel shoehorned in. We had a scorpion fight that finally legitimized MacGargon as a threat. What a great character of what if Spider-Man's power set was augmented externally instead of internally and it was used villainously instead of good. And they made it genuinely interesting here. And then the thing I thought was most impressive was Iron Man is the thing that I think most people saw as a warning sign in Spider-Man Homecoming. When you rewatch it, it's not nearly as bad as the internet has grown it to believe he actually has like 20 minutes of screen time.

Starting point is 00:17:37 But most people are like, ah, and it's funny because then you kind of get Mandela affected into thinking Iron Man's in it more. Like when you actually watch the movie, he's not, but our experience with Spider-Man in the trilogy

Starting point is 00:17:47 is, oh, he's always got to have a Marvel character. And discourse colors experience. The conversation around a bit of art will change your experience no matter how resilient you are. Our thoughts about the Spider-Man trilogy are now, well, he's in the Marvel universe. They've got to use him.

Starting point is 00:18:01 And it's not actually that, but they use Iron Man here as the one thing we didn't get to see in the MCU. they use them sparingly and well. So this show, even when it's showing restraint is showing intelligence and how much these people that are writing it, animating it, voicing it, love and know these characters. And they're playing the hits, but they're playing them in a different key, and I love it.

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Starting point is 00:22:06 interact with Daredevil. It feels like something was learned even though they don't punctuate that. Or his little back and forth with May when she's like, no, no, no, I care about you and you've got to be able to tell me these things. And even though that's a tender sweet moment, like you feel the learning. And even with Lonnie, which I got to credit this show because I think we've all at some point been over here been like, oh man, he's going to walk up and he's going to see them. And like, I feel like that would be a cheap choice. And I like they didn't do that. Like,

Starting point is 00:22:32 There could still be a pearl, triangular conflict. But, like, that whole scene where he goes to talk to her and Peter's inside and then Peter leaves and he's like, no, no, man, I got to talk to you. And I can't really tell you why I am trying to give you this advice. I can't really connect with you properly. But, like, please listen to me. Even that, you can feel him learning from and that all contributing. It's like, I like that they pulled the trash can cover, the suit and the trash can of him walking off. And at first, I was like, oh, are we going to really do like a full-on?

Starting point is 00:23:02 it's weird they do that without actually highlighting that they're doing it they don't make it a big like I gotta stop being Spider-Man it's just like his debate about whether he's worthy then is complimented by this episode where he tries to do everything as Peter but it doesn't feel like some kind of big like oh we got to do the thing it's like you said

Starting point is 00:23:17 it just feels like a natural it's so interesting yeah yeah and I would never have been able to describe how to do this show until seeing it like even us describing it if you told me like guys it's gonna be a Spider-Man show but it's about Nico and Harry and Ronnie Like, these people really trust in their characterization so much.

Starting point is 00:23:35 So I hadn't even realized, like, you brought up a really good point just now that it was a Spider-Man No More episode, but it wasn't about Spider-Man abusing his power. It was about him worrying that he'd have to demand respect. And that doesn't work unless you've got the subversion of with great power comes great responsibility, which doesn't work unless you've built Norman to this point. So they literally had to build the house of cards in order for us to care about it falling down. I think this whole show is leading up to the big lesson about specifically what Norman Osborne is saying to him with great power comes great respect because that's exactly how Norman is wielding Spider-Man right now. Because he's using his power that Harry, I love the exchange that Harry has them about, well, he's right. That's how dad is successful. And that's how we get freaking thwarted in reality.

Starting point is 00:24:26 When I was first hearing it, and I was like, actually, I kind of agree with it. When he's like in the hospital, I'm like, yeah, yeah, you got to like push your, there's a lot of ways where you can take, I don't know what you want to call it, personal development, self-help quotes or whatever, and completely manipulate people in a different direction. It could be a real Batman League of Shadow's kind of situation where you're like, oh, there's a lot of good shit, but then you find there's actually some bad ways you can wield this power. And that is exactly what I feel like Norman is doing this whole time. And the ironic part is that, you know, we know that Spider-Man is destined for situations where he won't have the public's respect. But because he's about honoring responsibility, which is what he was talking about, she just didn't say with great power comes great responsibility. But she's talking about responsibility, essentially, with him in that scene. And the ironic part is the way he gets respect is by being responsible.

Starting point is 00:25:16 When he honors that code, that mantra, when he finds that self-respect. And that's where the real power comes in. And I love these elements of him, like, struggling to help as Peter. I like how he was failing as Peter, not by just, oh, I'm trying to keep up my responsibilities. I'm late to this date. I don't know, whatever. Like, he's like, oh, I'm trying to help talk to my friend Lonnie. I'm freaking failing here.

Starting point is 00:25:40 I can't be there for my friend. My friend here's abandoning me. I feel betrayed by Nico. Like, I feel like I betrayed Nico, like, and I didn't mean to. Yeah, I think all that is working so strong. So my complaint lasts, the last block of episodes is me going. I'm not as connected to the Spider-Man struggles. And granted, it's like, it's a hard pitch to connect to Spider-Man struggles when, you know, he's Spider-Man.

Starting point is 00:26:02 But you're like, he's going to be fine. But they've managed to connect you in different ways to Spider-Man. And I like that Scorpion right off the bat is like a whooping his ass. And he gets seriously injured. And the struggle to help. And what you guys were talking about, especially with the comic aspect, it does make me wish that this. show was like it was a weird experience like I wish this was comics and to the thing that Aaron was concerned about is like if the show got canceled that weirdly could continue has just a

Starting point is 00:26:32 comic book series because it does it so well I will address one thing that I have not found really been working for me because I got to be that guy in the room and I tend to always be that guy not a huge fan of the doc awkward trail I think it's a little too um one note cartoony it's almost mustache twirley for me and that and it really kind of like hammered it home for me when they did that joke that none of us were really laughing at with him playing on the oh the cat game and stuff yeah and i feel like that does kind of come within the version of like a lot of ways this is like so accurate to like other versions of doc that we've that that we know of and um i like that he's evil scientist guy there's so much about the context that i really do appreciate and what they're

Starting point is 00:27:19 going for but we are also coming off the heels of like two very in-depth versions of Doc Ock. I'm not saying we need, like, pathoside of Doc Ock, where I like the idea of, like, evil scientist, dude, but it just feels like that, like, just evil scientist guy. It doesn't quite feel as fleshed as the rest of the world. Oh, yeah, I think he's the least, uh, I know what that character is character. Because like, because Scorpion is also just kind of a big bad guy, but even he feels a little bit more kind of connected to the rest of the world thematically.

Starting point is 00:27:48 You get a sense of like the, the, the world he kind of grew up in, uh, Matt Gargan. and like coming from the streets and there's like a passionate anger to what he does. I think I'll play devil's advocate on this one. I think because of the amount of stuff going on, I feel like there's still an opportunity and further down the line to humanize

Starting point is 00:28:05 Doc Ock because we do know that he has that relationship with Norman Osborne and I feel like, I don't know if they're going to continue on with him after he gets arrested, but let's say they don't and save him for the rest of the season or next season. I do think there's a real opportunity to show that other side of him,

Starting point is 00:28:21 maybe how Alani is having his start and like arc maybe not go take him from like good to bad but taken from like auto to doc and but through like humanizing him potentially i don't know but i have enough faith in the show in this writer to trust the longevity of them flushing out their characters that's fair and he did do that dance with the pole you know so that hints that he's sophisticated like music he's a classic guy that's a good point but i i definitely loved loved the scorpion fight like a top fight in animated comic adaptation like that was so just cool to see because i feel like with scorpion is such a cool comic character he's been around since like the dick co stanley era he's one of the first

Starting point is 00:29:11 villains and whenever he pops back up when a writer knows how to write him he gets really interesting like he's literally been around for 60 years and changed with the times so when we got introduced to him in homecoming i was like they're fine finally and then like like this feels kind of like redemption because it's the MCU in the same way that's seeing iron man i was like oh it's comic hacker and iron man but he's doing so covia stuff like there's so many times they give us the moments i've wanted to see in the MCU in a new way it's really exciting well i think they also play on beats that homecoming was going for in and their plot and like okay take for example when he runs out a web fluid in the middle of the fight with um scorpion now there's that whole scene that people make fun of all the

Starting point is 00:29:51 I'm like, or a quote, you know, like, if you're nothing without the suit, then you're nothing at all. It's like, it's a big moment for Peter. And this show, while they've also really demonstrated how capable Peter is, and he generally his, that's what I mean, they've done a good nuanced job. They show his biggest strengths are not coming from when he's becoming reliant on the suit. His biggest strengths tend to come from when he is just relying on himself and his own natural skills and intuition and his ability to navigate. So they've done a good job at that, but he doesn't recognize that.

Starting point is 00:30:21 Peter doesn't recognize that. So in the middle of him, like, losing the web fluid, doubt kicks in, panic kicks in. And he starts worrying, like, oh, my God, my suit's not going to protect me right now. So even that scene from Homecoming, that is about him being like, if you're nothing without the suit, and there's nothing at all, him freaking out about it. Like, they don't even say that in here, but I feel like it hits way harder here than it does in a movie where they're verbally calling it out. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:50 I agree. The subtext was stronger than the text. Yeah. I think my nitpick is if we're going to do that whole thing, if you're nothing, nothing at all, and having the billionaire help you, I think I would have liked him to have made his own classic suit rather than Harry Osborne make it for him.

Starting point is 00:31:06 But that's just like a small thing. I'm excited to see it. And I'm excited also just to add to what you were saying. I like all the subversions of what we're seeing in a relationship to the MCU because it gives us that opportunity to get, the Socovia court stuff. One, flushed out in a way

Starting point is 00:31:25 we didn't really get the chance to because they kind of like brushed it off after Civil War but two, see Spider-Man in relation to that and his world in relation to that from the ground level. So I think that's all super dope. Yeah, I really like this show. I think my last thing is

Starting point is 00:31:40 the NICO might have a natural tendency. Maybe there's people in the audience who are like me in this. And I feel like I'm the one out of the four of us who probably is the natural tendency to do this is like when they would cut to nico and harry my natural tendency is like i'm not as interested in this like right like a subconscious thought that kicks in when i'm like it's not it's not even like a genuine thought right it's just like i feel like i'm programmed to

Starting point is 00:32:04 think that way for some reason and i like that this show overrides that every single time that's high praise yeah that instinct and your brain is like oh yeah yeah so it's like instead of like trying to force myself to get interested um i'm i naturally just succumb to it even i love the detail of like everything goes great with harry and nico in the racing and stuff and she's like no i'm still mad at peter yeah such a great detail they let that breathe and build in a really nice way and i feel like they it's like it's so hard to get the right amount of conflict the right amount of like this is not working and then really gradually and believably transition into like oh no we're actually bon oh my god and the and the and the i'm not i'm not as uh i don't remember

Starting point is 00:32:49 Nico's abilities anywhere near as well but the T's that they do I'm like oh yeah that's right she's supposed to be something you know she's got her own secret and I completely forget that I completely forget that I'm just watching a human being I'm not watching someone who's supposed to be something special

Starting point is 00:33:06 one too I guess the last thing that came to my mind was like with the Norman and Harry like I like the way they've drawn the Norman Harry relationship because their relationship seems like fine you can tell that like yes Norman is very invest and what he's doing with Peter, there's that whole thing about like, hey, I'll only leave, Peter

Starting point is 00:33:23 wants me to leave and then they immediately throw him out the room. But, like, I like that it's not just like my disappointment son, who I really wish was not my son or something like that. And I like that he's got enough of his own independence from his dad that he, it makes sense for him

Starting point is 00:33:39 to be like, hey, I hooked you up the suit. I listened to what you said. He's a nice intermediate wavelength between the two of them in a way that doesn't feel trite or that doesn't feel like oh yeah we have to make him and his dad have this like very dramatic conflict like you know i'm sure they'll peel that back later they'll peel more of those layers back and i'm sure it'll be a shell shock win if norman makes the turn but i thought that was a really nice uh thing

Starting point is 00:34:04 at the end yeah i wonder as you say that i wonder if they're going to do like some sort of thing like norman and peter part ways and then because he still wants to have his own superhero he puts harry in the suit harry's not good at it and that's where the disappointment comes you're like you're not as good as peter as being a hero and then their relationship kind of apart from there. Yeah, but also kind of to what you're saying, then we can wrap it up unless you guys have more to say. I like the,

Starting point is 00:34:27 your brain went like backwards. Like, I don't want to see this. But my brain leaned into it because I was like, oh, we've, this is now the A plot. So for me, this feels like an indie movie of watching like this rich kid and like this foster girl have this connection.

Starting point is 00:34:39 I was like, yes, get me more. Oh, that scene where Peter goes like, none of us have parents. Ah! Yeah,

Starting point is 00:34:44 they just call out that comic trope of like, nobody's got parents. Yeah. I really, I really. Guys, we're, we're missing the biggest revelation of the entire episode. And that's that Pearl is Filipino. Oh, Greg is now. Greg. I'm now, I'm now happy with Pearl. He's got it. Greg's the best. Well, I mean, okay. It hit me that this is the first time, like, while Peter, like, crush it was on her. I tend to be of the mind. Like, if it's not Gwen or Mary Jane, this doesn't really matter.

Starting point is 00:35:14 Like, when he's crushing, right? Like, like, Homecoming's like Liz. I'm like, yeah, but, you know, it's not. like the main chick. But like this show could change it. It could change it. It changed a lot. But they introduced Pearl with that. She was essentially the Liz. Right. Where you're like, all right. Okay. So I wasn't really like too invested in that. But watching the way they make that more complex and how it drives more emotional weight towards Lonnie's journey. Because when you're severing the ties of love like that, that's like it's hard to turn back from that. Right. And the fact that they made her Filipinos even really cool. you know it's just cool thing you know really breaking ground yeah and also as we're watching

Starting point is 00:35:55 I noticed that Jacob had it was Filipino dude it's the Filipino age of Spider-Man we're living in a renaissance let's go I like that the guy who voices

Starting point is 00:36:05 Spider-Man it's really working for me I know that we kind of felt like he was doing a a hybrid of Tom Holland and like his own thing but I feel like he's really come into it yeah his voice isn't woke and annoying

Starting point is 00:36:15 no it's just right you know it's like It's the Goldilocks rule. Okay, yeah. Do you guys have anything else to say? Are you guys ready? Great show. Ready for more next week?

Starting point is 00:36:25 Beautiful. Okay, guys. That'll do it for us this time. Come back next week for the finale. We love you and we'll see you in the next one. Bye.

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