The Reel Rejects - YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN Episode 9 & 10 REACTION!!

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

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You are Spider-Man. He is. You are. He is Spider-Man. Spider-Man. He proved it. It's 10 episodes. Nothing could be more true.

No statement could be more accurate than that. Interesting. And I should know. Dude, you should join the math club. Definitely. I have to. Dude. Wow.

Charlie Cod. Finesse. Asha. Who's Asha? Duh. Can I ask you a question? Was Asha their third? Who's Asha in Marvel? Was she the one Daredevil was talking to? That's finesse. That was finesse. Who's finesse? Sorry.

Was Asha their third lap partner? Asked a question. Who's finesse? Marvel Comics. They must be saving it for season two. Because I heard... I mean, that is her character. I don't know if you guys heard the same thing. I did.

I can't read this. I was told. Yeah, she's a real character. I have never seen. What are you told? Oh, I know that character. I didn't know her name. First appearance.

I didn't know what's his name. Oh, wait. I don't know what to do. We started his first character. Yeah. We did. We were solving a mystery in the credit. We literally started this.

And we just wanted to drop it. Taskmaster's daughter. This was the first thing we were doing. So before Young Avengers got popular, there was a thing called Avengers Academy where there were young trainees and one of them was Taskmaster's daughter. I would never have known her name was Jean Orfinesp.

Oh. Friend of me to the wasp joined AIM. Okay. AIM is an evil organization of intelligent machinations. Yeah, the minute they have a big yellow helmets. Yeah, they're really Are you reading this off your phone? Your watchman or have phones? He's reading the tiniest

text. He's reading size of 0.2 font. Just so we can use his Apple Watch. Tony Sark Hall of their hands. I popped up and I bought an Apple Watch. I could show up for everyone. I could throw it down there. It always alarms.

I need to make it useful. What's the thing for? So unless they're saving ever season two, I was misin because I thought, or I heard that Vincent Donofrio was going to show up in the show as Kingpin. I think a lot changed in the process. In the many, many re-dues. I thought I had heard that as well. John leads us into the intro.

I'm just taking a quick little hand-stretched. Please stretch. That's going to have a stretch. And while Greg does his stretch. Why don't you stretch? your hand, arm, or thumb over to that five-star rating if you happen to be listening to this, an audio format on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever books

are sold. Also, I don't know if you knew this, but we got a new shirt drive. com store, Richards Road, the spectacular Spider Club. They come in so many variant colors. Aaron, Donald. Masterminded the design of them. And in true, traditional, edition of this show. We can't let

Koi go first. So since well, I mean, you technically went first. You guys went off and figured out who Finesse was. I think Aaron should go first. So I think you should not speak again this whole video. Aaron, take it away. Oh my goodness. Ladies and gentlemen, that was fantastic. Dare

I say, spectacular. Dare I say amazing. Sensational even. This was a great finale. It was so rewarding to see Peter finally in his suit. The mine Fookery of the fact that it was like a paradoxical event that created Spider-Man in the first place in this universe. The fact that we saw The Watcher, the fact that we are slowly, the pacing of the show, the fact that we slowly unveiled the fact that Norman Osborne is not as benevolent or as kind as we believe him to be or how the show presented him to be. I had an amazing time with this show.

This is definitely, even though it's very different in doing its own thing, It's taking the love of comics with things we know traditionally associated with Spider-Man and that type of stories that we see and merging those things and making them both better in tandem. This is the most creative iteration I think I've seen of Spider-Man outside the comics. And it's doing things where it's touching these little things that I grew up on. Like they had a point in the finale of episode in episode 10 where they showed like a bunch of symbiote heads that were giant. And I'm like, I know that because I saw that in this game that I love that's so dear to my heart called the Web of Shadows that came out in the early 2000s about Venom essentially taking over New York and then infecting all these other superheroes. And you can switch between the symbia and the traditional Spider-Man suit.

One of the best games, the best game Spider-Man sent are right before the PS4 version. But yeah, anyway, this was great. I am sad that we have to wait whoever knows how long for season two. Hopefully it's not as long as between Invincible Season 1 and Season 2. Hopefully we get either later this year or next year. But I think this show is the epitome of what it means to be a hero, what it means to have diversity and what it means to be patient. I feel like we were able to see things set up that were rewarding,

but not necessarily complete, but it served us within the narrative in which we were trying to tell over the course of these 10 episodes. And you watch this as one completed. piece of art this even though it's setting up things it definitely kind of had a tight loop literally with the fact we're not literally but

figuratively in the sense that the word we started in the beginning of episode episode one ties back in the finale and I had an amazing time I'm sure we're going to get more into the minutia of everything but yeah I'm going to hand it off to Greg there that's right gee

thank you what I thought it was great This is the one, this is the two-parter that, similar to, it was weird. It's like, I think part one and part two, we've had a lot of conversations about whether or not there should have been a weekly show. I didn't mind part one and two back-to-back, and I don't mind nine and ten back-to-back, actually, personally. I don't know how you feel. No, I'm still. No, it's not about it.

You know how I feel. Yeah. That would have been amazing to have a gravenger. But so much of ten really felt like, I actually, no, no, it's such a small thing. My takeaway with 10 was so much of what they left off with, but most of the runtime is not dedicated to setting up the future. Most of the runtime is dedicated. That was only last like three minutes.

Yeah. Yeah. It's my last few minutes. The payoff would have still felt impactful, I think, if we had a week gap. That's fair. Not going to take away from the moment. No, that's very true. No, no, I'm glad I worked that out of my head there with you.

Thank you. My scowl's out of my grumpy head. Yeah, my grumpy, my grumpy, my grumpy marble hat kicked in. But the, but in terms of what the episodes did themselves, I thought they were really cool. I found like the childhood love kick in right from the Spider-Man suit. You know the animation is damn good and how iconic the outfit is when it first appears in that little split second of a frame in the reflection of what was her eyes? Or the pendant and you don't even get the full suit.

But it's because you know it's frame you know Spider-Man's going to show up. Like you know that's what's going to happen. That's the expected beat. but it's still rewarding and cathartic when it happens despite being something that is predictable sometimes predictable can still be rewarding and they manage to still find a way to make it rewarding in a very unique way with this little shot which shows just how much you know spider man because it just takes this like split second of not even the full thing to go with spider man right there in an exciting way for a show where we've been watching spider man the entire time but coming into the suit bringing in so much extra depth and and later to that. My favorite ass, I like nine more than I like 10. Time travel stuff tends to do it, which is interesting to me

because if it's one of my qualms with one of my favorite movies of all time, I hover between Terminator 2 and the Matrix and Terminator 2 even has a time travel thing in its main canon timeline that I'm like, wait a minute, this doesn't make me freaking sense. I'm the guy who overthinks time travel. So even watching this,

I'm like, wait a minute, I have some time travel qualms. But I'll disregard that because I know a lot of time I'm very much in the minority on that. My favorite episode between the two would still be episode nine. I really liked 10, but 9 I thought was very strong. And what they did with Tombstone in particular, because

I have a, not as great of a recollection of Tombstone as you guys are way more recent, I mean, John you're more recent with Spectacular Spider-Man, you know, comics, you've seen Tombstone in multiple mediums. I've seen Tombstone before, I'm not as familiar with his origin or like even when I think about, wait, what does Tombstone look like again?

I have to kind of jog my memory. and I kept expecting just full villain bad guy. Even when the gas spreads in the Oscorp truck, the mind instantly goes to, oh, here's where he's going to become bad guy. And I love that they still played him like a hero showing the gray that will develop from this guy having to run the streets. I like that we're going to take that gray approach.

I like that we've been taking the gray approach with Goblin this whole time, even right down to when it seems like he's getting drunk with power off developing weird space access. he still seems like resigned at the end and full of doubt and disappointment in what he did you know that's not going to stop him you know that's not going to keep the tenacity with him going because he can't stay a failure for too long i think though it's strong that they left it on him not becoming green goblin while they have teases of green goblin coming that way we actually get the tragedy behind that when you look between like what ramy did there's a lot of plot beats that are similar in spider man one and spider man two in terms of like outline plot beats there's a lot of similarities and ramy knew the approach with doc ock and that one was to really humanize dr octopus as auto beforehand that way it's tragic and you're like i don't really want to see this guy die and you feel

the multiple layers and complexity to it and that's what they've done with norm and osborne they didn't do that with norm and osborne with the willem defoe portrayal they kind of gave it a no way home a little bit but they didn't do it in that first spider man movie you knew that he was going to be Green Goblin, like 10 minutes later. And more formula. Back to formula. That I think this just made me go. I want to see

Coleman Domingo be Norman Osborne in the live action. I felt like we didn't just experience a graphic novel. I felt like in a lot of ways we experienced the ride of a novel. I really love this a lot. I think this is one of the best things Marvel has produced in a long time. and in terms of Marvel animation,

it's pretty much right up there with X-Men 97 for me. So, yeah, I love the shit out of this. Coy is not next. You know what? You know what? I think we should break precedent. You're so altruistic.

Coy, wait a little bit longer. Take it. Take the mic, my friend. I will assume the position for this one. Power. I really love. that the show didn't end in a way that felt traditional because the rest had done such a

good job of surprising us by subverting expectation. I was a little afraid that it would kind of like put a bow on it and the show had done such a good job especially as like a diehard comic fan, a diehard spectacular fan, a very well-versed Spider-Man fan and a casual but loves the character but knows the lore through

various mediums fan. We all got to guess in different ways. Like we all have our access points. I was really afraid that it would have to feel because I don't know how early they knew they got a season two and three. I was afraid they'd have to be like, and he's Spider-Man. Like, I was a little afraid of that. So I really like the boldness of, I mean,

hopefully they knew the whole time they got a three-season order. But I really like that it ended in a way that opened more doors than close them because that feels more like a comic to me. Comics are serialized. Spider-Man's been around since 1962. That means that dude has literally been in an ongoing story for 63 years at this point. And the amazing Spider-Man title hasn't stopped for more than a month in 63 years. Now, obviously, there's different canon, there's different continuity.

there's different writers, but as long as the integrity and the truth of who Spider-Man is, which is generally married to Mary Jane, talking to you, Spider-Man writers that have been writing in the last 10 years, is about the character and the man himself, and this show did a great job feeling like a comic where it was like, hey, as long as we know who Spider-Man is,

we can really play. And they still tricked me by having it be 10 episodes and like six of them, I was like, could use a little more Spider-Man. We talked about half the time about like, Peter Parker's not the strength here, but they're building out the world so much. And then at the last act, they did what they do so well, which is like, and Domino push, Spider-Man.

Like, we care so much about Peter Parker because they build everyone around him. And he has such a heart, even through the episodes, that don't feel like they're building him, like, exactly the way we're going to expect. By the time the Domino's fall, you're so invested in the Spider-Man. And I personally usually do not like Richard and May Parker stories. I think bringing in his parents, it has gone right a couple times. It has gone wrong every other time. So I was so nervous when they were in the prison. It was going to be better Richard.

And I was like, don't do that. Don't do that. And then I was like, either way, I'm not going to be happy. And then as soon as it settled on Richard, I was like, you know what? This show has proven me wrong every moment that I shouldn't anticipate. I'm so, this is the highest praise I can give the show. I trust the writers so much after they gave me those 10 episodes. I am ready for them to show me why it's a good idea.

to bring Richard Parker and that is no small feat. So the fact that they set up so many things, the fact that we are about to go back and look at the names on that board and that sets up so many things, the back that it is so beautifully an open door to season two and I want more. That's like comics. When I finish a comic, I like

to feel resolved, but I also like that moment of like, what's next month? I think the big issue Marvel's gotten into lately is, but the internet culture has made the post credit scene more important than the movie. And this feels like it's important and you're excited not like oh what's next but oh let me breathe this in which is why it should have been 10 weeks um but my last thought is the way they've given us each of the character dynamics interacting with each other makes it so that they could literally invent a new character like i thought finesse was new i personally don't uh avengers academy wasn't like one of my favorite things it wasn't bad i just don't remember the characters that much the fact that i thought it might be a new character and the fact that i thought it was like kohori were like oh maybe they'll bring them into the comics and i got to excited like oh maybe next month they'll surprise this with a finesse issue i'm already excited for

this canon to the point of like wondering how it's going to go in other mediums so this this succeeded at me being ready to be proven wrong about richard this succeeded at like oh who's this new character finesse i just need to remember who she is like all those things are a testament to how good this was adapted i think like greg said up there with xman 97 and i also think this i i think this is my favorite mc u spider i think this i mean no way home is my favorite like everything but like i don't know i'm with i'm there with you it's just like it's in that upper third of all marvel absolutely yeah i couldn't agree more with each of does it bother you that you don't remember finesse a little

oh no should have been 10 was 15 years ago and i'm like am i getting old i think we can give you it's such an obscure character so it doesn't bother that's why it bothers you in terms of memory not in terms of like oh are you worried people are going to give you flack for not remembering it's probably both but in this moment i'm i'm fearing my memory in this moment i'm like am i running out of space up there. It's a file cabinet full. Maybe the character just needed to make a better first. Maybe.

Maybe it's, you know. Maybe it's the character. Maybe it's the Alzheimer's. Yeah. I mean, there's a billion characters. All right. We're going to put you down. When you look, yeah, I'm like, can't we just take me out to the wells.

Don't worry about it. When you pulled it up and it was like, when I saw the picture on the weekend page, I was like, all right. Oh, that's it. Losing my memory. Is there a nerd car? And they just close the coffin and wheel you on it. Alzheimer's has taken over.

My biggest fear, I'm going to go ahead and tag out as the comic guy. No, no. There's people who do internet reactions and act like it's their first time watching. When they've done a lot of Wikipedia. Oh, who's like, oh, my God, it's that guy from the issue 62 that I know. I'm pretty sure I was there with you when they watched that. I don't know who you can be talking about. No, I do.

I don't want to. I don't know anybody. No, no, no. We certainly don't lose respect to every public event. that are reacting for the first time. I'm sorry, man. I just saw Coy was a little. I felt Coy.

I was so disheartedly. Thank you for noticing. I think to know more about that on camera. We all need to take a break and give Coy a hug. I know comics, I swear. You do. I love him so much. This is part of Coy's villain origin now.

He's going to go get into some kind. He's going to be overreating comics to never miss a blind spot and then get in a tragic comics accident. Yeah, I've covered in ink. with the comics and then yeah you're shooting pages and ink at everybody it's like memento but all the tattoos are like my I'm like what is my canon

who am I what are the next universe what are the canon of it paradox right origin this this was a terrific origin for coy this was a really good show that we got to share

together and uh and yeah I mean I agree with everything you guys said I think this struck a really really really lovely balance of things and I was watching earlier or listening to rather a film speak video that kind of broached on this topic so I'm going to

build on top of the topic um yeah a film speak a lot of great interesting dives into things and one thing that they were pointing out was that yeah this is directly sort of interrogating the idea of like should Peter have a corporate sponsor you know all uh I feel like

in the live action Spider-Man movies up until no way home where we realize like oh yeah maybe he should be neighborhood level and maybe he shouldn't have all of the Tony Stark repertoire of gadgets gizmos and R&D tech at his disposal. And I feel like this took what it seemed like

they had to learn semi-awkwardly in real time and synthesized it into like something that didn't feel like it was preaching at you, but it felt like really nicely tuned toward reacting to, responding to, and playing off what you know from the MCU and then giving you this nice blend of tones because like yeah at the heart of it all you have Peter and his journey to become it's like Spider-Man

freshman year of Spider-Man he's learning to you know wield the responsibilities he's learned the coordination of really being out in the street and really glimpsing the scale and the spectrum that crime exists on and then you have these touches and flourishes of like mad science and you have these touches and flourishes of cosmic and you have these touches and flourishes

of, you know, bigger things. And I think it's like when you look at the live action movies, there's some element of a complaint of like, yeah, this feels like it's overrun by a lot of MCU stuff and a lot of bells and whistles and a lot of scope and scale, whereas

it would be nice to keep the heart of this character at a street level. And I feel like this did something really cool in that it managed to have, yes, a number of characters who we recognize and some pretty prominent cameo, here and there throughout and it managed to bring

the promise of the breadth of things you can do in a comic book universe and in this comic book universe but it never lost sight of what was important and it managed to get really creative about demonstrating what was important and yeah like giving you all

these relationships and really playing off the hero villainy dynamics overall I think Norman Osborne being the mentor is a really great what if scenario because as that video point it out this is me citing a specific sort of quote of theirs it's like this you know takes the what if of like what if instead of norman osborne as his sponsor peter got i mean tony stark he got norman osborne what if instead of the heroic all-powerful tech billionaire he got the devious all-powerful tech

billionaire and i think it's nice the way that they've drawn this in that norman especially throughout this has given you glimpses at who he is but they all feel like maybe in the latest parts of these two episodes there are moments where they flip on the horns and it's like oh man this is pretty villainous but for the most part you can kind of see how it's this guy's underlying hubris and his underlying vindictive nature in the name of his ego uh that ultimately will lead him down the path to you know the the the worst implication of that great power great respect line implicates you know so like he's not i don't believe necessarily that this is a norman who's he reminds me of alex luther in this context because they also set up that last bit

board where he's recruiting people tiberius stone is part of spider man 299 which is a big tech magnate thing that they could tie into like oscorp get i could see oscorp getting power hungry and harry recruiting someone from alchemex and that being like oh now he's power hungry and that leads them to madness because it's like greed and infinite growth and like like real companies like if your bottom line stays only profiting two billion you're failing because you got to do three billion and then four billion so i could see like growth yeah i could see norman like that hubris that you're describing being the thing that pushes them over the edge even with CEOness even with the tech stuff because putting tiberia stone is a huge easter egg for like alchemyx and spidey 299 and

everything that's coming so i don't think that was an accident no absolutely and i feel like they're doing interesting things with the potential for multiple like all that stuff at the end with the portal there's part of it where you can tell like oh yeah he's he's high off the power of like look what we innovated here at oscourt but he's also i believe that sort of uh bvs thing about like well look at this doctor strange incident and like how much devastation it caused and how much you know destruction and lives were endangered and like we need to have this power we need to and then you know you get language like, you know, we should harvest from the cosmos. It's like a little bit, yeah, it's all like you can feel the different intentions kind of co-mingling with each other.

And I thought it was awesome to start that, what was that episode nine out with him visiting Ock in jail because Ock has been such a, you know, a boisterous and, you know, he clearly has spite for Norman Osborne and is doing a lot of stuff out of spite. And then you have this ideological battle between them with Norman coming in. demonstrating like here's the extent of my power and the power that my respect affords me so much that I can take your work and appropriate it for my own ends and then the counter to that which gave ock as we all kind of i think echoed a nice dose of characterization that we were hoping for with just him going yeah but you're always going to know that you didn't actually build this you're just slapping your name you know you're you're yeah which is also you know just kind of to watch two different

genius, you know, well-to-do tech guys square off is also just an interesting commentary on the fact that we have that in our own culture happening right now. And yeah, there's so much to all that. And also Peter and Lonnie and all the friends stuff

is really nicely handled them getting to team up for a minute even though you know down the line that's going to go out. It's like you said. I'm glad they didn't just, I think it's a comic trope when like, oh, an accident happens and not only are you physically altered you also get evil brain mindset Reject Nation, I'm interrupting this video

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That level of integrity is just super important. So thank you again, Straight Arrow News, for partnering up with us. Proud to. Everything about my personality is changed. And I thought in the moment, like, Like, I think we all did, you know, like, oh, this is going to be the turn. And I love that it's like, no, no, no, he gets the power. And now we'll see what the power does to him, along with what this, you know, spreading change to his physical appearance will also do it.

I feel like the entire show is about with great power comes great responsibility. That's what every character is about. Yeah. I really relate with Norman in a weird way. And I'll tell you why. All right. We want to be the best React your child out there.

React bigger. Cry more. Sorry. Now, like, that conversation that he's having with Otto and I think,

I don't know about you to, I feel like, Koi and I definitely were feeling like, man, just auto scene here has drastically elevated his character to a whole, like, he was the one complaint I had.

last time we filmed together. I would have been cool if they started him there. Yeah. Because they could have been like, Ock supplying these weapons. And then he gets arrested. And I'm like, ooh, Ock.

Like, I didn't need the other scenes because now I'm like this Ock I've invested in. But now it's like, it kind of makes you reflect on those past scenes as a boisterous act. Yeah. Showboating. Yeah, exactly.

Well, with Norman in that scene, here's my point of what I felt like I relate in a weird way. Of him, I do you. That's what I do for living. I do YouTube. I talk about movies.

I talk about other people's work. What I really love to do is write, but I am not a successful writer in terms of career, in terms of feeling like to myself, I'm a successful writer. And that's where I feel like I'm like Norr. And like, yes, you're on the career path of science. You're doing the business, but you're a real scientist at heart and you're not a real innovator. The way how Dr. Octopus is an innovator is the real creator. creator and he wants to be something like it is feeding on his ego like you see why he would

want to be the goblin for more than just testing some shit out or getting wrong like in the movie you know you see that he wants to feel like a representation of innovation beyond like he's a commentary on the people of like silicon valley right of the tech billionaires and such who who just feed off of the hard labor and creativity of their employees but he wants to be the actual person who does the shit right and so i i get that i like and i like how norman has is a great allegory for our our billionaires as of today while having justifiable reasons like what he does with like his justifiable reasons make sense in his from his perspective i'm saying so this concept of like harnessing the power of space you know i'm often to be here a billionaires

talking about like going to space you know and and and harnessing the power of space you know and and harnessing the power of space, but justifying it in the, the actions that have happened from alien invasions to Earth instead of waiting for invasion, we can just go to. We can invade ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. And that inclusion, I feel, makes him just a much more nuanced character because I lost my train of thought.

Because the greed and the drive to be as good as Ock made him more interesting because there's layers to his passion. And he also has the billionaire mindset, the wealthy mindset of when there's a disaster, there's a financial opportunity as well. And he found it, you know. So as much as he preaches, like, the altruistic sides of the good that they could do with this, he's also really profiting off sides. I mean, he's a little cabal of supervillain minds that he's forming as well as, like,

appropriating the tech of the teen geniuses. Yeah, man. He's got the old science and the young science and they're all making them money. And like, I don't know, I really like Osbournes take here. I've always thought of Osborne as the main... No, I should keep politics out of our movies. If there's anything about the real world, then my fiction, I'm out. I say, I'm out.

I don't want any discernible concepts that I can possibly... If I can relate in any way that feels like it could exist to me, no. That's why I only watch, hey, gabba gabba and telitubbies. That said, I really like that the show doesn't shy away from Osborne as like a main nemesis. Because I love Doc Ock, but I do feel like the last 20 years have made Doc Ock the big bad. And I've personally always felt like Osborne was the big, big bad. So it's really cool to see him get his flowers here. Yeah, and they're taking their time with it as well.

In fact that, yeah, and all of that kind of plays into his ideology of with great power comes great respect. You know, and him taking these other things and things that he admires to build his ultimate legacy is how he views getting that respect. So I thought that was an interesting way of handling that. And just, yeah, that kind of brings it back to me for, like, the, the patience thing. Like, you can, you can ultimately see the, the downfall of both, or the further descent into, into villainy with both Lonnie and Norman Osborne, because they have these respect-based and camaraderie-based relationships with Peter, and they're both kind of going further into that side. Because this, this season was about getting Lonnie from high school player to leader of a gang. next season i presume it's going to be about him being a leader to the gang to a villain and i'm sure that's only going to escalate his his gang war turf and all of that stuff

but another thing is i really like the fact that it took its time with the ultimate version of the fact that peter is just starting off as spider-man the fact that we see him just fight scorpion that's the biggest villain we've seen him come across all season and that's like small potatoes when we get to the point where he's going to have to fight the Sinister 6 and I'm sure Scorpion is going to be part of that gang of people and they made Scorpion feel like relentless Yeah that fight was so good monstrous

That episode 9 fight was incredible Yeah we're gonna see that escalation of him As a hero His personal life is gonna descend into darkness But also his abilities to be a better Spider-Man are going to progress overtime as well And his uh his versatility and his ability

to solve problems is also going to increase So I'm excited for us to be able to see that going forward I got a final two thoughts. Oh, sorry. Oh, no, you're good. I have the final two thoughts. One, let's give it up for Aaron's fucking learning those bars. Hey.

Hey. Hey. Two, this is a little inside baseball, but also I think relevant to how much we were invested. There were like three separate times I thought, oh, we got to remember to tell Roxy to clip this out. Yeah. And that shows how invested we all were. Like Aaron's rap. Like Aaron's rap.

The scene of the reflection. I literally. thought like we're so invested in the show there were two frames or a reflection in a necklace and we all reacted differently it was really interesting the three of you left forward in different ways and i very happily went and like i looked over together it was really just interesting you guys were like up in i was like my boy and i think that's really beautiful that we were all so in that it caused such a visceral reaction and and that's kind of what i like about our shameless plug for socials our social channels is sometimes i forget moments and then i see it because it's a clip i don't i don't

re-watched two-hour movie. I already lived it. But, like, when I see a clip, it reminds me of the whole experience of how invested we got. And these two episodes really showed what a journey it's been that I wish was 10 weeks to get to the point where we were so invested in these characters. And that, namely, that Spider-Man costume moment, that's such a beautiful, like,

we're all in. And I just felt like we got like an Avengers spiral shot just with a costume. Yeah. It was really cool. But I will say, though, though I do agree with you, I feel like it should have been the 10 weeks. Seeing how the episodes are broken down in terms of arc and relation, I understand. and why they released it in the way that they did for hopefully they change that going forward but the first two episodes are about establishing him early on that at the end of the second episode i believe is when we are introduced to norman unless that's the end of the first episode but then that uh those second those three episodes after that three through five are about establishing building that trust in that relationship with norman and then the second or the latter part is about kind of seeing the darker side of norman and um

creating doubt within Spider-Man, and then these last two are about him fully coming into acceptance of what it means to be Spider-Man in that physicalizing with the classic suit. And I think they also, yeah, I think a lot of the breaks were done with the suits. Yeah, yeah, as well. Which work storytelling was.

I think if you had to break it up, this was the way to do it, should have been done. I agree. I also, I guess, just a couple stray final thoughts. I like that they didn't, it's very pronounced, but they didn't need to, like, highlight. I like the idea that like, oh, Peter's been at this cool opportunity of an internship working on cool tech and then come to find it's being like used for something way bigger than I had ever expected and also is going to cause this paradoxical time loop and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, it made for a very natural segue of like, hey, I really appreciate what Mr. Osborne has done for me, but I don't think this is the right match necessarily, especially because not everything has been above board.

And I wasn't given the full scope of what I was working on. that's pretty dangerous and then segueing that into we're going to start our own little spider business yeah i like the integrity then pivoting the web like that's really cool yeah and and you know harry obviously has lots of means so like you kind of get a juniorized version of having like your cool tech iron man in your corner without it being the full force of a you know corporation yeah i also like the fact that this season is in these 10 episodes they did what the mcc took three movies to do getting him to Spider-Man, even kind of paralleling that moment with Peter versus Green Goblin at the end where Toby stops him and said it's Lonnie stopping him.

And that's like, yeah, coming back into that great power, that whole thing and then denouncing the billionaire. I guess he did that in Homecoming. But, yeah, I think this was a great opportunity to take the things we know about the MCU and put it within a traditional Spider-Ban context and allowing us to play with things that we're familiar with. and alter advancing upon them or looking at them through a different lens that I think better works with Spider-Man within the framework of a show.

Yeah. I think that moment where he does tell Norman on the phone when he almost went too far, I love how Norman A, empowers him during it too. Wasn't like, you should have killed him. I like how he emboldens him in that moment. and that whole conversation really was a big part a big part of what peter consistently has to learn his belief in himself and how to trust his own choices as well as opposed to being reliant on

what other people are saying he should or shouldn't do which comes with that like what you were talking about earlier with tending to all the people and building up the cast around him like we know peter physically is going to be okay in the end like you know his life's not really in danger so part of the stakes for Peter is how well can he tend to is the responsibilities of those he loves and it makes him so relatable in that regard like him running late

to class you don't want to be late to class and it's like he shows up but then when the when the model was messed up yeah there is that bit of I felt it like ooh that kind of sucks actually he's trying his best yeah he's trying to make it

they got to that point in the story he's just Spider-Man I think we all can relate to and I like how it's a backdrop against New York which is such a you know, hustle and bustle, you've got to rush all the time kind of vibe. And I think you do that in L.A. too, but New York is that beast? Four for four. Greg, I love letter to New York. And now I see how New York amplifies Spider-Man, not just because it's cool the websling on buildings,

but the hustle and bustle of it. We got about two years to rejects East. It's coming. What's going to happen? I'm going to force everyone to move. Friendly neighborhood, New York. I miss New York. I miss New York.

Rejects east. Here we come. But yeah. him coming into that weight of responsibility because that's where he learns the weight of responsibility is by developing the weight of the characters puts more responsibility on him so yeah this is an excellent show man i'm i'm happy that we loved it uh tell people to watch it if you watch 40 minutes we're talking about it you tell others like god damn people should watch out of the 10 episodes you guys have a favorite episode like coming out of this i think mine might be seven see the arcs

kind of blend bled together for me i can't really tell you which episode is they released it weekly had no. I just know 7 was the one where he first fights Corby and almost dies and he has to come in with a glider and then the next episode

after that was where we see Peter I think that was eight or we don't see him as soon at all. I mean I would say that is probably my favorite one. Eight? No, seven, the one you decided.

Yeah. That's probably my favorite one. He was dies, dude. We didn't stab for the time. That was crazy. Yeah, and then he got the panic attack here. I think that was also a nice thing that they did. You got the shades

of the panic attack and then when he chooses to display his power to gain the respect through fear. Like they even change the way the shots feels. The one spiky sense moment. And you get that one spiky sense moment creeping that in. But yeah, like I thought as much

as I have probably been the most sort of like I'll always wish I could see what this would look like if it was actually hand drawn. I feel like this show has done at least for me a nice job in bridging that gap in terms of like I like the designs I like the colors and they

have done some really cool stuff in terms of making really evocative shots that feel creative like they could come out of a comic but also utilize the moving visual medium really nicely so as much as like there are times where I wish mouths would match a little more or just I couldn't tell it was in a computer I think just visually speaking this I prefer this greatly to the animation style of what if and I do kind of get lost in the moving comic of it all and when you're at the end and you have all the over exposed lights and streaks and stuff like that. It was pretty beautiful and the way the colors on Scorpion and Spider-Man Pop and all that stuff.

It was really nicely visually conceived on top of all this great writing and character stuff. So yeah, gang, what are your thoughts? Leave us 40 minutes

worth of a comment down below. Good luck. And we'll read every single one of them on a live stream for 12 straight hours. Thank you guys for joining us on this journey.

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