The Reel Rejects - ZACK SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE (2021) IS F***ING AWESOME!! MOVIE REVIEW!

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

Superman Vs Steppenwolf, Flash Speed Force Scene, Superman Vs Justice League, Batman Meets Joker, & MORE!! Stay Better Informed through unbiased reporting w/ Straight Arrow News! Visit https://www.san....com/reejrects to download. Zack Snyder's Justice League Full Reaction Watch Along:   / thereelrejects   With James Gunn Superman 2025 reviews now out, it's time for Zack Snyder’s Justice League Reaction, Recap, Commentary, Analysis, & Spoiler Review! In this in‑depth breakdown, John Humphrey & Andrew Gordon dive into the epic DCEU showdown featuring unforgettable scenes like “At the Speed of Force” (Flash’s Speed Force entrance), Superman’s triumphant flight, Cyborg’s emotional origin, Wonder Woman vs Steppenwolf, Darkseid’s chilling debut, and the haunting Knightmare future—locking in viral moments fans are searching for. We also chat character‑driven highlights—Ben Affleck’s Batman, Henry Cavill’s Superman, Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman, Ezra Miller’s Flash, Ray Fisher’s Cyborg, Jason Momoa’s Aquaman, Amy Adams’ Lois Lane and Ciarán Hinds’ Steppenwolf—alongside cinematic vision by Snyder with his black-suit Superman and epic Mother‑Box mythology. We connect it all to the DCAU legacy, James Gunn’s upcoming Superman era, tease future DCU projects like Superman, Peacemaker Season 2, Lanterns, Batman Brave & the Bold—and spotlight how this Snyder cut sets the stage. Follow Andrew Gordon on Socials:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MovieSource Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/agor711/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/Agor711 Follow Tara Erickson: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@TaraErickson Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/taraerickson/ Twitter:  https://twitter.com/thetaraerickson Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:23 Thank you again, S.A.N. for what you do. So we're going to get right into this though. Follow us at Real Rejects everywhere. Three, two, one. All right, that was Zach Snyder's Justice League. Awesome, awesome, awesome. If you are watching this on YouTube, it's because those fine folks over at Pryper went through the four-hour cut that we just
Starting point is 00:02:48 watched, sliced and diced it, and gave us an awesome edited-down version. So we appreciate all the hard work that they did. If you are listening to this on Apple or Spotify, make sure you give us five-star rating, we would so appreciate it. Also, if you're on YouTube, do all the YouTube stuff. Make sure you share the video. Hit the like button. Most importantly, don't forget to.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Ring the bell. That way you're notified. Whenever we drop videos such as these, we also got the Justice League version to do as well. We wanted to surprise you here at the end. We didn't want to reveal that. So we have some questions, as we always do with our Royal Rejects, our Patreon members, that we like to go into here to start the review. We do have a couple questions here that we do have a couple questions here that.
Starting point is 00:03:29 We're actually going to reserve for the Justice League. It's from J-S-T-A-G-R-L-3-29. Just a Girl, 3-29. Thank you so much. We are going to reserve that question for that film. So apologies for that. And also for Maurice Gray Jr., we are also going to reserve your question for Justice League
Starting point is 00:03:48 because I have seen that film once. We got you covered. Yeah, once or twice, back in the day. Tara has not, so we don't want to spoil anything for Tara. So apologies about that, but we will answer those when we get to that video. So just so you know, we're not ignoring you. All right, moving on to the next question for Matt Lofkin. We have personally, I like the grittier and darker tone, scenes added and new score.
Starting point is 00:04:14 But do you guys agree that it would have been better as an HBO mini series instead of a four-hour film? Also, what did you guys make of the shift to the 4-3 aspect ratio? Thank you, love you guys. Yes, make it an HBO. miniseries um here's here's the thing i just think i i really like this film but also four hours is really difficult to get an audience to come in they see the view time they're like i don't have time it would i don't this movie maybe made two billion dollars i have no idea um but from that aspect but also for me i'd be like oh maybe if a split into like a two hour parts um might
Starting point is 00:04:56 have been better for me but maybe that's just because I didn't like I'm a little tired today maybe that's why but um I still thought that the pacing of the film was really good and I was never like bored I was always very engaged for it being a four hour movie you would think I'd be like when the hell is just going to end and I didn't feel that way um and the shift of four three aspect ratio I thought I thought was fun I mean they started in it and then it went to blocks later. Yeah, no, I'm with you on the 4-3 aspect ratio. I thought it was really done seamlessly. And in regards to an HBO miniseries or a four-hour film, look, where there are a couple times where you feel the runtime? Sure, it's four hours. Like, you're going to feel four hours
Starting point is 00:05:41 in anything, even if the pacing is incredibly done like this film. Yeah. But I think like you, because I'm so engaged and I was so immersed, and I was never bored one time, whether it's the character moments, the incredible action and intensity of the film, I personally did. I personally did not mind it. Would it have been nice to have a three, three and a half hour films, a three and a half hour film that would have covered all this? Sure, great. But because I know that this universe doesn't continue, that's why I don't mind this personally being four hours. So in regards to it, do I prefer an HBO miniseries or four hours? I'm cool with four hours. Just because again, I know it doesn't continue any further than this. But also at the same point, too, Tara, it makes me really sad knowing what we could have had as excited as I really am for James gun's Superman film and I truly really am. I'm also so sad that like seeing dark side grainy goodness just saw it and what
Starting point is 00:06:33 and like the and also too what we could have had with the other characters and that entire universe that shared universe like and the camaraderie we built with the team like and the you know the unity through grief like it was just it was so beautifully done in this film and I just I would have loved to have gotten more but
Starting point is 00:06:50 such as life right? Yeah man. Anyways thank you so much for the question Matt we really appreciate him for being a royal reject it. Next question is from Noel Beltran. Personally, really like this movie, especially considering the previously released version. My biggest issue with this movie, universe is severe
Starting point is 00:07:05 overpowered Superman unless he's facing a Kryptonian. Do you think this Superman's power level takes anything away from the stakes the movie is presenting? That's a good question. I didn't have a problem because, like, I think
Starting point is 00:07:21 like, because he's finally really inspiring hope, and like that's what we want in our Superman that and also too we had a character that was literally overpowered himself with Steppenwolf that it was nice to finally like it feels like we as an audience because we want these characters to do well and not be beat around and knocked around because they were all filmed by the by Steppenwolf it was nice to and Superman wasn't really in the film a ton so he was really only in that one action sequence so yeah he definitely was a little opi in the scene but again because Steppenwolf is so damn powerful and seeing him do that to the rest of the team throughout the film I actually liked it and again seeing that that promise of Superman of the embodiment of hope and inspiration I was personally fine with it what about you yeah I still really liked it
Starting point is 00:08:14 I was just thinking more in my brain about how you said does it take anything away from the stinks the movie is presenting I realize that once Superman shows up and he blows on Steffenwolf's like ax and then he crushes it with his arm and he just starts going at him you're like oh yeah okay we have Superman like we're good
Starting point is 00:08:35 now except the movie didn't didn't make you feel like that meaning it it did a good job of not making the audience feel completely safe against Steppenwolf and the other bad guy The Bad Dark Side His name is Darkside
Starting point is 00:08:51 Wow how could I forget Darkside It's because in the in the subtype It's spelled different. That's the idea, right? Anyhow, they didn't make you feel safe from the audience perspective just because we got Superman back because he was still kind of effed up. And I think that's why I still, I really like it. I don't think it took really away from the stakes, maybe slightly. But again, it was really fun to see Superman come back in that black costume and kicks him.
Starting point is 00:09:25 which was a lot of fun and not only that yes he was a little opia and maybe it did temper down the stakes a little bit but even when he came back and he was being the crap at a step and well they lost in that moment until barry allen you know rewind rewind time right there so you know i thought and which i thought was one of the coolest things i've ever seen by the way and with the music and the visuals and how they presented everything in that moment that was awesome so i think again how they how they did all that like if they would have just I just had Superman come in and stop in there. I still would have been cool with it, but the fact that they actually lost in that moment, I think was a nice contrast to Superman being there. I agree. All right, from, by the way, apologies if I mess up anyone's name, not doing intentionally.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Baron Imoff. I am wondering, thank you for the question for being a royal reject, I am wondering if I am the only one who wanted more variety in the music played during Wonder Woman's scenes. for me the ancient lamentation that was heard from the first shot on top of the statue of lady justice got very old by the time she beheaded step and wolf baron i hear you you have definitely have an argument they played it probably about 10 15 times if not more i loved it so much that i did not mind it was like it really spoke to pain and grief and an emotional beat to me for wonder woman and it's just like it really i just felt it through my my bones and my soul that it didn't personally bother me but again dude you have every argument they did it it got very repetitive so what about you did you mind it i actually didn't mind it i know that they're they're sticking with like what it her theme or whatever yeah um and that's not the part
Starting point is 00:11:10 that's like done no no no it's not that way yeah exactly exactly um um uh like a a choice of music, like, in your ears that you're like, oh, Christ, do I have to hear this again? I actually didn't mind it at all. I was so focused on, like, please chop off his freaking head, please let it be his head, please let it be his head that I didn't even notice the music. I will say this. If it wasn't so, again, while you can argue how repetitive it was, if it wasn't so damn beautiful, I probably would have got very annoyed with it very quickly.
Starting point is 00:11:46 Mm-hmm. So. All right. Next question is from Danny O'Malley. How would you guys feel if Netflix or someone made another one? so we could finish the story with Darkside. So I think it will affect James Gunn's Superman, which is my most anticipated movie of the year so excited.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Right. I don't, of course, I don't think or know if Netflix has that kind of a licensing because I know Warner Bros. has the rights to it, so I think they would need permission. But if Warner Brothers said Netflix, go ahead. You can continue with the Zach Snyder universe and Zach can do it or someone else can, you know, share in his vision. I would be like, hell yeah, as I mentioned earlier in this,
Starting point is 00:12:23 I got very sad knowing that this is it, so I was cool with the four hours being in there. But absolutely, like, Darkside is one of my favorite villains from, I didn't really read too many of the comics, but like from the animated series and seeing what this villain is capable of, power level-wise, I can see Superman going up against him as well as the Justice League and the promise that we got here in what could have been.
Starting point is 00:12:45 A hundred percent, I would love to see like an elseworld thing where, again, let James Gunn do his thing and also have this other universe that's going on that's totally separate from it so that it does not interfere with it. 100% I would be so down for that. What about you? I feel like most people would
Starting point is 00:13:01 because this is the first time that people are actually getting to see all their favorite like DC superheroes like on screen together fighting. I mean, probably not for the first time. Again, bear with me because I'm obviously not watching whatever cartoons are out there or animated and not reading the comic books.
Starting point is 00:13:19 I'm just me. I'm Tara. I'm here. But my point being is that this is pretty epic to see, especially for like a modern take on and with really good special effects and with great, great stars in it that I think anyone would sign up to see all of them go at it again. But I think at the cost of it being an hour and a half or two hours, max. You're like no more four-hour movie sports.
Starting point is 00:13:46 It's just, it's a lot. It's something to like really, you really, got to sign up for it and if it was going to continue to be that that would be really tough but um i'd be most movies are i would say yes most movies are not four hours this was like a special kind of project because zach snyder did not originally get his cut so you know that's why i was totally okay and for this but yeah i i i totally hear you on that all right from mark haley why do you enjoy the dc e u so much i genuinely can't understand why well mark the question to you is why do you hate it so much because that's what it sounds like but i'll tell you this mark i personally do not like
Starting point is 00:14:25 suicide squad the the david air film i like the james gun the suicides squad although i don't know if that's is that part of the dc you i don't know you guys correct me if i'm wrong in the but in regards to man of steel batman v superman the ultimate edition wonder woman i mean i think those films tell really mature stories have got pretty good acting in from you know from chris pine ben affleck Henry Cavill, and the action sequences are incredible. I like how they deal with trauma and grief and, you know, the music as well, Hans Zimmer to Junkie Excel, et cetera. Yeah, I mean, I could go into a whole soliloquy of why I enjoy those films,
Starting point is 00:15:04 but you've seen our reactions and we've talked about them at length and hominem. And, I mean, yeah, I'd really, Mark, but being serious, I'd really love to know what it is in particular about the films that you don't enjoy so much, because I mean all films are subjective of course I think it's all about relatability and what speaks to you what things you've gone through in your life and how you can relate to a film
Starting point is 00:15:26 you know what I mean and I'm just curious why you don't particularly like these films because again I told you I don't particularly like suicide squad I don't know if you've seen that one the David Air one from 2016 but I think that film suffers from a lot of tonal issues it's not very it's not
Starting point is 00:15:42 pace very well it's just not a I don't think the storyline is very well and also I think they picked the completely wrong villain for that team to go up against uh that's just my opinion on that film so I don't fully like let every single film from the DCEU so what about you mark I just like to ask who hurt you uh because these movies are a lot of foot like honestly my favorite out of these was like Wonder Woman like dude that movie kicks some freaking ass that's like downright my absolute favorite in this universe,
Starting point is 00:16:19 even though, because here's the thing, the Dark Night is one of my absolute favorite films, but that's not really like in this, or is it? It's not. Yeah, it's not, right? And, of course, I've loved the other ones. I mean, they've all been fun, but Wonder Woman is, like, badass.
Starting point is 00:16:34 So I'm just curious if you're not liking, like, the, I just would like to know what you don't like about it because I feel like there's so much to like. It's badass action. there's adventure the writing isn't bad i mean sure there's some like a little bit but not not very much like most of these movies that we've been through have been pretty solid with really good storytelling and really good beats and the pacing hasn't been terrible meaning it's kept me engaged while i've been watching him but i will say that my favorite has been wonder woman
Starting point is 00:17:11 so i would yeah i would tell you mark haley to watch Wonder Woman again, tell me what you think. You can comment again and be like, yo, I watched it, and I still hate it. And then I'll be like, okay. Like, we can maybe still be friends, but maybe not.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Our next question is by Powell Casmaric. As much as I love the Snyder cut, let's be honest. That movie never had any shot at reaching the theaters in the shape that we know it. With that in mind, I wonder which parts in the Snyder cut
Starting point is 00:17:43 do you feel could be cut and still have it be a good movie that'd be better than the Justice League. Lots of love you guys. Let's see. What parts do we think could have been cut? I mean, I think it was a good movie either way, but obviously you can't really have a four-hour movie
Starting point is 00:18:02 be thrown into the theaters. That's, you know what I mean? So what scenes could have been cut? Tara, do you have any scenes that you can think of off the top of your head that you think could have been cut from the film? I'm really trying to think. there was a lot of back and forth was Steppenwolf talking to Dark Side that maybe we could have like whittled it down a little bit
Starting point is 00:18:24 that it wasn't like prime time unless it was like primetime information we only met with them like three times but I like a lot of that stuff because it kind of like goes into this overarching theme of of redemption not only for Batman and Cyborg but also for Steppenwolf that he's trying to get redemption himself or whatever this discretion that happened in the past between him and dark side like they said this betrayal or whatnot so yeah yeah i feel you i'm like i'm like i'm trying to like find in particular what's i feel like in the beginning of the movie it's a little bit more of a slow take because we're going through
Starting point is 00:18:58 the foundation of like we meet like aquaman and then we go through the foundation of who else we meet like uh oh yeah the martian comes up something else anyway i think that those like the background foundational stories where the little extra things are thrown in could have been cut i don't think i would definitely not cut amy adams part like at all because obviously that's what clark feeds off of like lois basically saves him um but maybe there's some stuff that we could have used less of like her and maybe the mom even though that's heartfelt i don't know but that wasn't really the mom that was the martian man oh right right right yeah so and the whole point of that was because i general swan or general swanick i might i might have said his name
Starting point is 00:19:43 wrong either way. Harry Lennox. The whole point of that was he's got a professional relationship with Lois Lane and you know they had a rapport in the the previous two films Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman but also too like he's trying to get her back in the world to get her back to living as well so you know I feel like that's a very important scene as well and also the reveal of Martian Manhunter to where we get him later on in the film so you know that's that's a very tough question to think about on the spot and like what scenes could have particularly because I'd really have to think about that one to be honest but good question next time because sometimes you guys have written this before and in all the other stuff like you'll ask us a question
Starting point is 00:20:19 I always recommend like give us a multiple choice like ABCD like what do you think should have been cut because it makes it way easy for us and kind of triggers our brain to think about the whole thing for you guys so it might make it easier next question from Jeremiah after rewatching this how much pressure does it put on guns new vision for you personally considering the fans got this release and it was a glorious redemption for Zach, but did this cut become the blockade for Gunn to succeed as well as he could have, seeing what we should have gotten if the studio could have put its ego aside, now we have to accept what Gunn is giving us. I don't think personally for me, it adds even more pressure. I mean, I think there's just always the pressure. Any film or any comic book film, I think there's just always going to be, it's a major studio film. There's always going to be pressure there so yes this movie was great for me and i have expectations for what i want to see in a
Starting point is 00:21:17 superman film but because of how good this was i don't generate that over to okay guns got to make it a certain way now so with that it hits the marks that this one did i don't look at it that way i just look at it is i just wanted to be a good superman film i wanted to hit the beats like of you know superman of again being that embodiment of hope having that disguise as clark kent and just being having a great storyline in general having those good visuals some good action sequences as long as we hit those things you know i'm i don't think i'm going to get into a comparative state on uh zack sniders justice league but i'll be happy if it's a great movie i'll be happy that we i've got this and i've got james guns superman what about you so um jeremiah like you're saying seeing what we should have gotten if the studio could have put it to you aside aside is saying to me that the studio got in
Starting point is 00:22:09 involved and in between gun and the movie, which doesn't have too much to do with gun, because as we've discussed before, I've said it a lot, studio exists can really mess up a film. Like, totally in whole, they will give you the idea. They are the ones who hold the power in their back pocket. And if they want to know, sometimes you have to take it, and it can make the movie bad. But, and you're saying, like, now we have to accept what gun is getting. giving us. But I have not seen that the new one yet, obviously. So I'm still excited to see, I don't know, what's waiting around the corner. I would say I'm not, I'm not looking at this one
Starting point is 00:22:54 to be like, oh, gun better look at this film and be like, I better be a lot better. Because directors are always going to have a different view. They're going to have a different team, a different DP. They're going to see shots a different way. and tell stories a different way, which is why there's a lot of variety when it comes to films, which is really the way you want to have it anyway. So it says to me that your heart is more with Snyder
Starting point is 00:23:22 and less with Gunn. And I'm like, yeah. So that just says, like, for me, I'll always say my heart goes out to 824 films and less so sometimes with others. Because that is like my vibe. I'm all like, let's go indie movies. All right.
Starting point is 00:23:39 question is by Jay Rushden. Do you ever fall asleep during these watching? And more importantly, do you snore? Jay, great question. Luckily, I have these. They are G-fuels and I have Tara's favorite flavor, flavor rather here. Snow cone. Tara admit it. How good is this flavor? Oh, Snow cone is so good. Sorry, I was scrolling on the questions. Okay. No, you are good. I've actually had that happen, Jay, before. I, so really, really quick. story because we got to get to the next question after this but just really quick i had a thing happened where i was on gregg's brother's channel this was a couple years ago we did a film an american film and i thought i was just doing that and i had a very sleepless night because of
Starting point is 00:24:22 a personal event in the family and i thought that was the only movie i was doing and then greg's brother said wait we also have to do an indian film that is three and a half hours long i went holy crap and i didn't i was not drinking these energy drinks yet i would have been like i quit i think i think i quit i'm i think tera and anyone on on the team will tell you i'm usually a team player and i just said okay no problem and in my head i was like holy crap what am i gonna do because if i at least would have had this i would have been like i'm kind of covered at least like i'm i'm gonna be tired but i got this yeah so that's the good news so i will tell you these things have saved my life i would be falling asleep like crazy or i would be snoozing definitely what about you
Starting point is 00:25:04 I've never fallen asleep during watching any reactions. Look at me go. You didn't say if you snore. Oh, I don't think I said. I've never heard anyone tell me I snore. Okay, so he doesn't snore. Me neither. Hot tip for those who snore, you could just tape your mouth.
Starting point is 00:25:23 It helps. But yeah, no, I've never, I've never fallen asleep. Although today, I'm going to be honest with you, was the hardest for me to, I guess, be more lively. I feel better now because I drink like a diet Coke and a full coffee and more water. A lot of caffeine. But like there were points in the movie where I was like, I think I need to just get up and walk a second. So it does get hard for like the longer movies. But today was the only day I kind of really ever felt that way. So I can't understand why it would be a I know a lot of people watch movies. When you're at home, you're so like want to snooze. But this is our job. So we can't do
Starting point is 00:26:01 that, Jay. Yeah. We got to make it fun and entertaining. We can't do it. Jackson, Ryan. Last question here. This is more so not for filming, but just for Andrew and Tara to know. Since this is Andrew and Tara, I just want to elaborate on why we're getting this type of story now. Right after starting a new universe with Man of Steel and jumping to BVS, Snyder had every intention of doing solo films that lead up to an ensemble. However, Warner Brothers executives freaked out over the lukewarm reception of Man of Steel and were so eager to catch up to Marvel.
Starting point is 00:26:33 they rush Snyder to build the team, which opens the door to death of Superman storyline and also bring in the DC cash cow equals Batman. That's how we got BVS. Then after BVS is lukewarm to hate reaction from the public and critics, Warner Brothers was pushing Snyder to lighten it up, which he refused and continued making what he intended. Snyder's daughter died.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Oh my God, WB used an escape as a scapego to ax him, brought it to Josh Whedon, who did whatever the hell that, That was, that was really, okay, that's not a great sense, but hold on, let me see. Brought in Josh Whedon, who did probably whatever the hell he wanted, is probably what you're trying to say, and was, and released something called the Justice League. Now, finally, not because of WB, but because of WB's then owner 18T, they released Zach Seidner's actual Justice League movie. This movie sets up literally over 10 spinoffs. It was a perfect ensemble to spin off a film I've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:27:29 However, WB's and management had such an axe to grind with Snyder that they wanted to move on without him, but kind of with his characters and with The Rock. Right. But, and personally, thankfully, WB was purchased again and Gunn had stepped in to restart everything. Start fresh. There's too much baggage. Let's move on with something new. Here we are now, Superman next week to start a whole new universe. That was an incredible statement you made, and it's, I remember pretty much all that happening. Yes.
Starting point is 00:28:00 Yeah, so Man Osteel happened. It was pretty divisive, although I remember loving it, as I did on the reaction. It was lukewarm, and then, you know, they went to Batman v. Superman, which kind of felt rushed as much as I was so happy to see Batman and Superman on a film together. Then what happened there, and couldn't figure out tonally what to do, so they freaked out with Justice League, went to Joss Whed in, and then obviously then we got the Zach Snyder cut. Yeah, I think Tara has pointed this out many times. This is, again, look, at the end of the day, it's these executives, it's their film, they have the money, but they need to try, if you're going to give someone a job to do, I say trust them, you can oversee a project for sure, but you've got to trust these filmmakers to do the job you have given them or don't let the, or don't hire them.
Starting point is 00:28:51 That's how I view it. I know it's very black and white to say that, and there's a lot of gray area. I get that, but they didn't let Zach Snyder see the job, but they really tried controlling him by committee. And I think that was a very big mistake because you saw, at least I felt in his films that he did a pretty good job. And I really enjoyed this film. So it was terrible that they did use the loss of his child
Starting point is 00:29:15 to take away the film like that. So I think that was a really shitty thing to do. But what about you? Any thoughts? That's executives. They want the money and they're going to figure out a way to get it. I did not know that Snyder had every intention of going into solo films that lead up to the ensemble, which of course would have been smarter.
Starting point is 00:29:33 But before you even posted this, I think I said that in a movie ago or two movies ago. I was like, I'm pretty sure they're just making this to catch up to Marvel. Like this was like a Comic-Con drop. And it's not like I'm the Comic-Con, I don't freaking know. But ideally, I think anyone watching these movies and seeing them back-to-back and how quickly they came together, especially with Batman versus Superman, I think is when I made the call of like, I think they're just trying to catch up. I think that's any audience member that knows anything about anything going on in the world
Starting point is 00:30:08 would be like, I think they're trying to catch up, which is not necessarily a great look. I do get why they're rushing. You know, it's a money thing we're trying to catch up with Marvel, which is a super force. But I am kind of thinking that. It comes at the stake of, I understand that you're saying, hell yeah, gun is moving on to something new and you're excited about that. I am too.
Starting point is 00:30:37 I think that's rad. But I do think when executives step in and they're like, no, we have to do this now, which they do a lot of the time, right? They're like, no budget, you can't do that car scene. We don't have 10 extra dollars. And you're like, you live on three yachts. But anyway, I think it did probably come at the stake of had we seen something more with, I mean, we got Wonder Woman, but I understand what you're saying, if Snyder was going to do like Solo's moving up to it, it would have made it a lot more powerful. There would have been a stronger emotional connection, a stronger break there, probably a lot more tears.
Starting point is 00:31:16 Because you know when you go to a Marvel film, you've seen all of these characters and then something happens to them. and they're all together, and you're like, like, everyone in the theater is, like, sobbing, and you're like, they did it the right way. So I think DC trying to, like, run and catch up, it's a bit of a show. Like, it's like, I think you guys could, like, calm down. But we'll have to see how Gun does,
Starting point is 00:31:42 because I don't know if people have faith in him or they don't right now. I have absolutely no idea, but I am very excited to see it. I certainly do. I loved Guardians 1, 2, and 3, and I really enjoyed The Suicide Squad. I have not seen Slither or the other film that he wrote Super, but based on those four films, I certainly have faith in him. You understand. I think that's what the film was called that he wrote, Super. But again, he understands characters, he understands emotion, and he picks damn good songs in his films, although I don't know if that's going to be the beat of Superman. But again, I have truly an utter faith in James Gunn, so I'm really looking forward to that film. yeah heavily yeah anyways guys thank you so much is that the last one right yeah that's the last thank you so much for all the questions we appreciate let's get our final thoughts before we just quickly go into the rotten tomatoes here for terror how about it man i know he's got his notebook handy uh yeah i kind of went into it already just i like that this film deals a lot with redemption
Starting point is 00:32:40 and when it comes to batman and even with with cyborg and step and wolf i thought that was again a theme that was really well handled in this film and also the way the team comes together, you know, unifying itself through grief. I thought that was a very specific and very well-handled way to have the characters develop and, you know, come together as well and build commodity off of because that's something a lot of people can not only resonate with,
Starting point is 00:33:10 but just something that we can build upon towards is grief and trauma. So I thought that was a very smart way to handle the team coming together. and I thought it was just done very well and executed in a way that I felt was extremely satisfying so kudos on Zach Snyder for doing that so well and also to one thing I was just slight this isn't a negative it's just more so for you guys
Starting point is 00:33:37 just to let me know in the comments I could probably look it up later but I was just a little confused and maybe even Terry you could help me I know that they showed that incredible action sequence from the flash with the flashback where dark was attacking earth everyone came to stop him you know he saw that the mother boxes were there and it looked like he hit the anti-life equation i thought from that scene that he knew the anti-life equation was on earth right because we saw the lava and the mark and all that and then he knew the the mother boxes were there so didn't dark side already know that the anti-life equation was where
Starting point is 00:34:12 the mother boxes were because he had that whole fight there like that i was just a little do you know what I'm saying or am I being confusing? I know what you're saying, but he needed all three. Remember the first box he had probably from that location, right? Yeah, but I thought all three were there at that location and then he got, Aries got him with the, with the axe and all three were left there and then he got flown away. So I just figured if he knew that the box, wherever the mother box was. Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:34:41 Oh, the anti-life equation has to be where the mother boxes are. When Steppenwolf found out when the motherboxes were calling to him from Superman's scream, okay, the anti-life equation, I remember that planet where I fought that big battle. The anti-life equation, because I did that whole lava thing, the anti-life equation is there, so I got to go. I was just a little confused. Maybe I just read it wrong or something, but y'all let me know in the comments. Oh, they will. I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:35:08 I know they will. That's you guys. No, I know. I know. And I appreciate that. I just got a little confused by that. I'm just making fun of them. Yeah. Yeah, but no, I got you.
Starting point is 00:35:19 I got no answers for you on that one, Keyed. And also, too, I love the action sequence, such vibrance and intensity that that Zach Snyder showed with those, especially the scene. Dude, he really did such an incredible job making Steppenwolf. We talked about this a little earlier, really feeling like a menacing and threatening villain. And also, too, I like the character that he gave in him. And again, I've already used the word, but the redemption that he said. seeked in the validation that he seeked as well like he wasn't just some mustache twirling villain like doing nefarious and evil things i like that there was a purpose and a motive here so and
Starting point is 00:35:56 we got uh and also i like the look too is really freaking scary but yeah uh as i really enjoyed this film yeah it was definitely a bit long but i truly again because we were so immersed in the film i did not feel it as much as i probably should have felt on a four hour film so What about you? Any final thoughts? I thought it was great how we saw the clips in the earlier movie, and then those clips came to life to show us, like, where that story was headed. And we got to see, like, Aquaman and the Bionic Man, and then the Martian Man, barely. But those other two fighting with them, and then, oh, my prediction came true.
Starting point is 00:36:40 Now, listen, here's the thing, guys. You're going to be like, yeah, but how do you know? because it's one subtle thing then so if you guys are like you don't pay attention or if you think maybe we don't I do because in the last movie it is so slight and you know
Starting point is 00:36:56 it is such an actor's choice slash director's choice that's like a hidden thing where Superman sorry my mic keeps going in and out where the Superman pulls her out of the water right she almost is dead she coughs up the water
Starting point is 00:37:12 oh my god this mic is killing me Hold on, guys. I just don't want it to cut out while I'm talking. There we go. He pulls her out and she coughs and she grabs her belly. It's legit for literally 2.5 seconds and I guarantee you none of you would notice it. And I was like, uh, I think she's pre. I said, uh, and then we see pregnancy test and the baby thing at the end.
Starting point is 00:37:38 And I'm just going to say, you're welcome. No, that was a great observation by you. Um, I called it. just saying I'm very proud of that and I'm glad that that came true because I cannot wait to see a Superman baby. I think that would be great even though I know Guns thing is going to be totally different. But I really enjoyed this movie. I thought it was a lot of fun for it. Being a four-hour film, it's still, the pacing was really great. And that means that your beats and the stories that you were telling and how you were doing it was done really well. And I think a lot of that has to do with,
Starting point is 00:38:14 you know, D.P. How you storyboarded it and the music that's involved. That way that music gives you the energy. Where are we pushing? Where are we pulling back from? Here's an emotional point. Here's where we're going to freaking kick ass. And I really like that. And it was super fun to see them all go down to Batman's Cave. I thought that was one of the funest scenes where they're like, yeah, this is badass, man. And they're all hanging out. Like that's just a fun thing to see because I, for me specifically, I really like Batman's Cave the most with all the computers and Alfred's so cool
Starting point is 00:38:49 and he brings you tea and then he's like, oh, drive this ship remotely and you're like, what's so cool? And also it's just fun being in a rich person's harm. Other than that, I thought, I just overall, this movie's a ton of fun and I like how much ass Wonder Woman freaking kicks. She's great.
Starting point is 00:39:09 Like, that is, it's so fun to watch her and Aquaman too, but I am not, I'm not well-versed in Aquaman. Like, I like him now, but I'm like, okay, cool. But I love watching Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman the most, I think. And Cyborg was great too. Yeah, yeah, he was great. Yeah, they were all great together, I thought, too. Flash is fun too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was going to say, the Flash did a really good job.
Starting point is 00:39:38 he's obviously our comedic relief and his delivery and tone and pacing of all of his jokes and his writing is a perfect loved him for it and the visuals when we were in slow time while he was moving so fast and the way the camera distorted
Starting point is 00:39:54 I thought was such a smart way to do it like when we're in that mode it's so cool to see it like that and then when he was breaking through glass with his fingers like to show how powerful and fast he's really moving such a cool way it's such an inventive creative way to do again to show the power of his speed right and the quickness of his speed
Starting point is 00:40:15 I agree is incredible yeah last thing and we will call it a day just give me one thing right now rotten tomatoes critic score for Zach Snyder's Justice League okay critics score I'm gonna go with an 89 okay and now audience audience score I'm gonna go with like a 91 Okay, so here's the audience. You said 91. Of course that would happen. I just don't want you to see that.
Starting point is 00:40:45 92, I did good. You were one off. And you said 89? Yeah. It was a 71. Okay. Yeah, that makes more sense. I normally lately, I've been saying critics, I've been doing a low number,
Starting point is 00:40:56 and then I find out that they voted higher. And I'm like, have the critics been changing from old white men to maybe more modern people? I don't know. Couldn't tell you. Anyways, guys, as we mentioned at the very. beginning we are going to be doing the justice league next i believe so be on the lookout for that if you've stuck with us this long we really appreciate and we appreciate all the questions that we got thank you so much for being royal rejects and for just joining us as well we shall see you on
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