The Resilient Mind - Change Your Brain, Change Your Life: The Real Power of Meditation - Dr. Joe Dispenza

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Dr. Joe Dispenza is a renowned author, speaker, and educator in the fields of neuroscience, epigenetics, and quantum physics. He has spent over three decades studying the mind-body connection and the ways in which we can harness our thoughts and emotions to create positive change in our lives.Take action and strengthen your mind with The Resilient Mind Journal. Get your free digital copy today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/Download_Journal🌍 The Resilient Mind Podcast is a proud member of 1% for the Planet — building resilient minds and a resilient planet. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Resilient Mind podcast. In this episode, you will be listening to Change Your Brain, Change Your Life, The Real Power of Meditation with Dr. Joe Dispenza. Get access to the Resilient Mind Journal by clicking the link in the show notes. Enjoy. We started studying everything. Yeah. And we started looking at brains and we started looking at hearts.

And then we started noticing that people would have these very, very, very transcendental moments where there was a significant arousal that took place in their brain. And that arousal, which is typically based in fear, in anger or aggression or in pain, that's a survival response, this arousal was ecstasy, this arousal was bliss. So the amount of energy in those people's brains during that moment of,

and the only way that I could describe it is connection, that moment, produced such a level of energy in the brain that it was hundreds of times normal. And this is being measured. You're doing the brain scans. We're measuring it in real time. Right, exactly. And then when we see these very, very high degrees of energy in the brain at the same time,

we're seeing a high level of order. Now, not just a little order, not a lot of order, like a supernatural amount of order. When you say order, Joe, do you mean the coherence between the brain and the heart? Or what do you mean by order when you say that? Okay, so if you're late for an appointment, you've got to pick your kid up, there's 10 texts you have to answer and something went wrong at the office. The arousal of the stress hormones causes us to move into that primitive nervous system of survival. And when we're in stress, we're trying to control, we're trying to predict,

we're trying to organize our life because that unknown is something can go wrong. It's unpredictable. So we shift our attention to one person, to another meeting, to another place we have to go, another time, another thing we have to do. And every single one of those elements has a neurological network in our brain because you've experienced your wife, you've experienced your coworker, you experience your pain in your back, your cell phone, whatever. You have a relationship with everything physical or material.

And it's mapped neurologically in the brain. In fact, the neocortex is really a record of the past, right? So the arousal of those stress hormones causes us to shift our attention to all of these different elements, and we activate those circuits. And like a lightning storm in the clouds, the brain starts firing very incoherently. When the brain is incoherent, we're incoherent. When the brain isn't working right, we're not working right. At the same exact time, you're sitting in traffic. You can't really run.

There's nowhere to run. You can't really fight. There's no one to fight. And, you know, you can't really hide. And so the arousal of this primitive nervous system. causes the heart its rate to increase in a respiratory rate to increase because that was the mechanism of survival if you're being chased by T-Rex, you better increase your heart rate and your respiratory rate.

So now the heart rate and the respiratory rate are increasing, but you're not running, fighting, and hiding. There's a physiological change in your body for emergency. And you're taking all this vital energy that you would use for growth and repair, for long-term building projects, and you're tapping all the body's resource. and you're turning it and converting it into chemistry, right? So now the heart is racing, but you're not using that energy, so it's pumping against a closed system and it causes the heart to start firing very incoherently.

And that's when you stop trusting. That's when you stop loving. That's when you stop communing. That's when you stop cooperating. That's when you stop really creating or thinking about possibilities. Not a time to learn, not a time to go within. And so people spend the majority of their time living in the state. And in that aroused state, those chemicals heighten our senses.

And we narrow our focus on the material world because that's where the danger is. If something's behind the big rock and you hear it moving and it's dark at night and you're walking, you're going to freeze and you're going to narrow your focus and the arousal is going to heighten your senses. and that kind of narrow focus becomes habituated when people live in constant stress. Now, we talked about this on one of the shows we were on, and you can turn on that response just by thinking about your problems. So now the arousal of those chemicals becomes almost like an addiction. It's the familiar. And you need the familiar stimulation to reaffirm that emotional state, right?

Because that's how we feel alive. So we thought, wow, what if we teach people how to go from, that narrow focus to broadening their focus and opening their focus and focusing on nothing material or physical. And when we did that by sensing space, by sensing nothing, opening and broadening their focus, those different compartments of the brain that were firing out of order incoherently started to synchronize. Now, what sinks in the brain links in the brain. And all of a sudden the person starts to feel more like themselves. There's an integration. So we started noticing these elegant states where there was global coherence. In other words, we were measuring many compartments

of the brain simultaneously. And when waves are working in order, when they're working in coherence, then the whole entire brain is working like a symphony. And you start feeling whole and you start feeling clear. And you can think, you're coherent, you can have a vision or an intention of the future. So when we were doing these studies, we noticed that if we could teach people how to dial down their thinking neocortex, their analytical mind. And by sensing space, if you're sensing, you're not thinking or analyzing, you're sensing, and you start slowing your brainwaves from that high beta brainwave state when you're in survival into these lower beta brainwave states and ultimately into alpha.

Okay, alpha. Now, alpha is the creative state. Alpha is the imaginary state. That's when the voice in your head that's talking. to you all the time. That default mode kind of shuts off and your brain starts to see in images and pictures. You start imagining. It's an imaginary state. It's a creative state. So we use that state in the state of creation, but then we took it a little further. What if we could teach a person to slow their brainwaves down even more into theta? And in theta, you're in a hypnotic state.

In hypnotic states cause you to be very suggestible to information. And suggestibility is your ability to accept, believe, and surrender to information as the truth without ever analyzing it, and that's what exactly programs the subconscious mind. We also discovered that you didn't have to have those transcendental moments. All you had to do is work on regulating your internal state every day. And the novice meditators, people who just came to an event that really had no experience in meditation, but immersed themselves for seven days. Okay.

Our data suggests at the end of seven days, their body completely looks like they're in a different life, a completely different environment. The science is pointing the finger at. There's strong environmental changes going on in the person's biology, but they're in a ballroom. Right. There's not a lot of things happening in a ballroom,

so then how does that happen? Okay. So the application then becomes important for everybody, because when we started looking at advanced meditators that didn't have those transcendentest, mental states, but they practiced meditation every day. There was a dosing effect. In other words, the more they self-regulated, the more they were resistant to the things

in their environment. Well, let's think about that. If I say to you, Ed, why are you upset today? And you say, I'm upset because of the staff member. I'm not upset because what I heard on the news. It was traffic. I was late. What you're really saying is my environment, some person, some condition, something in my outer world

is actually having control. over the way I feel and the way I think. And so that's a subconscious program called victimization. Anything that controls you, the way you feel and the way you think, you're victim to. Now, the problem is that the majority of times our response to the environment weakens the organism. That means that your fear, your anger, your aggression, your impatience. Weakens the organism. You.

So now the environment is actually causing the organism through the stress, heart. hormones and the long-term effects to really start down-regulating systems in the body, right? So then... It's incredible. So as long as you react to your environment and the response is causing you to become weakened, you're victim to your environment. Well, it makes sense then. And would you be more susceptible to anything in your environment because you're a victim to it?

But the process of change is the difficulty is that 90% of the thoughts you think are the same thoughts you thought the day before. Nerve cells that fire together, wire together. Keep firing the same thoughts. keep making the same choices, keep doing the same things, keep recreating the same experiences that stamp the same networks of neurons into the same patterns, all for the familiar feeling called you and do that enough times in your biology, your neuropircuitary,

your neurochemistry, your hormones, your gene expression stays the same because you're the same. Okay, so then instead of sitting down trying to meditate for 10 minutes and say, then believe in the thought I can't meditate, or I don't have enough time or I'm a really important person or I got too many emails to answer or it's garbage day or it's my mother's fault. It's my ex's fault. I want to complain. I want to blame.

I want to make excuses. I want to lay down. My bladder's full. I like this. What am I doing wrong? They're agitated and patient. That's the personality that has been hardwired and conditioned emotionally into the past that's resisting the unknown. It would rather cling to suffering.

and take a chance and possibilities. So our events, we say, okay, here's the knowledge, and I can say now with a great degree of certainty more than ever, that if you actually do this and you stretch yourself a little bit further than where you would normally go at home, your brain will change. And if you teach people how to do this over and over again and no different than training an animal, the body is the animal. And then all of a sudden there is a liberation of energy.

There goes the guilt. There goes the pain. There goes the whatever. It doesn't matter if it's health. It doesn't matter if it's wealth or success. It doesn't matter if it's a loving relationship, a change in a career, a mystical experience. Whatever it is, the person all of a sudden starts to relax into the present moment. Now, let's demystify the present moment.

Okay. People wake up in the morning and they think about their problems. and those problems or memories that are etched in their brain that are connected to certain people and objects at certain times and places. The moment they wake up in the morning and they start thinking of their problems or thinking in the past. Okay, now every one of those problems has an emotion associated with it. So when they feel unhappy, when they feel bitter,

when they feel fearful, now their bodies in the past. Thoughts are the language of the brain, feelings of the language of the body. Thought and a feeling, image and emotion, stimulus and response, you're conditioning the body to be the mind of that emotion subconsciously. Now the body is believing it's living in the same past experience 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Why? Because the body's so objective. It doesn't know the difference between the real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that person is creating by thought alone. So important. The body doesn't know the difference. And so the environment signals the gene. That's epigenetics. The end product from an experience in the environment is an emotion.

The person's signaling the same genes in the same way and genes make proteins and proteins are responsible. but for the structure and function of your body and the expression of proteins is the expression of life. And now the person is actually headed for a genetic destiny. And when people labor for the present moment and they take their attention off of their body, off of all the people in their life, all of the objects, they own their cell phone, their computer, their car, their house, they're no longer identifying with where they're sitting, where they need to be, where they live, where they've lived in the past, where they need to go. and they're not thinking about the predictable future

of the familiar past, they're dissociating from everything physical and material, everything known, that is the exact moment we call getting beyond yourself. Okay? Now, when we're in that place then, at the beginning it's uncomfortable because survival is the unknown.

You better chances of survival and running from the unknown, but that unknown is the perfect place to create from. So in the process, no different than any rehab. In our first two days of our event, really people are, they're basically rehabbing from their emotional states and their habits. And they're sitting in the presence of that discomfort, right? And the discomfort is because the body is leaving the known. But if the body has been conditioned to be the mind, the moment you take it outside of its familiar territory, It's going to start telling you, Ed, why don't you quit?

You know, you're not really good at this. You know, you're more of a physical person. You don't really want to do this. You're not very this or very that. And most people just get up when they do the meditation. They believe that thought as if it's true. Now, the question is, what's on the other side of that thought? Can you sit there long enough till that's no longer the thought you accept, believe, and surrender to?

Well, then, the next question. What's on the other side of that thought? What's on the other side of that familiar emotion? Can I sit and work with my body and settle it down? Stay? You stay. I'm going to feed you. You're not going to die from this. Your bladder's not going to explode. You're not going to go crazy. And you work with catching those thoughts. It's called metacognition. If you're in that 95% of programming where you're unconscious, then the first step to change is becoming conscious of your unconscious thoughts. It's so conscious that you would never go unconscious or let that thought slip by you unnoticed. Because just because you have a thought doesn't mean it's true. And if you're left alone to yourself, you'll start believing every thought you think. And that's the problem. So then the majority of people's thoughts then are based on what they

perceive about themselves from their past or their life, right? And if you catch yourself complaining and blaming and making excuses and judging someone else and you say, I want to be a happy person, well, a happy person would never do that, would make them unhappy. If you notice that you've been feeling guilty for the last 20 years. You didn't know it was guilt because it just felt like you. And you want to feel joy. Well, if you can feel joy, it should tell us volumes about what you've been practicing doing, right? So then most people give up because they don't know that there's anything on the other side of it.

So then the next question is, what thoughts do you want to fire and wire in your brain? Well, and with attention and with intention, if you keep practicing fire, wiring those thoughts, you start installing hardware. Do it enough times and it becomes like a software program. And now that's the new voice you program in your head that said, I can do this. I believe in myself. The next question is, how am I going to behave with my kids today? How am I going to be with my wife? How am I going to be with my partner? How am I going to be at work? How may be on my Zoom calls? How am I going to be by myself? What does greatness look like? What would love do today? Now, it turns out that if you close your eyes and you start imagining doing that, if you rehearse how you're going to be in those certain situations, the evidence without a doubt shows that your brain will start to look like through the mental rehearsal of the act that you've already done it.

Now you've installed the hardware. Keep doing it. It becomes a software program and you'll start acting like a happy person. No magic there. If you don't have the circuits, you can't do it. So the rehearsal then is actually changing the brain just by thinking differently. The brain looks like the experience has already happened. Now you have hardware to use.

Do it enough times. You get good at it. It becomes more automatic. Now here's the hard part. Can I teach my body emotionally what my future will feel like before it happens? People need a rush of dopamine in order to catch their attention or a rush of adrenaline to learn. and so that they're dependent on their outer environment to regulate their emotional state. Now, this is different now.

Now, I'm going to say to you, get in that beautiful heart of yours, and I want you to feel gratitude for the event before it occurs. Well, I can't feel it because it hasn't happened yet. Yeah, that's the conditioning. That's the hypnosis. So then when you teach people how to create heart coherence and self-regulate, and it makes sense then with a coherent brain, they can hold the image of their future.

they can actually then rehearse who they're going to be. They can bring up the emotions of their future. Now here's the cool part. If they can feel their gratitude before they're healing, their healing begins. If they feel their abundance or their worthiness before they have their wealth, it will start generating abundance. If they start being in love with themselves and being in love with life, they'll create an equal. That's the law. if they're in awe of life or in awe of the moment,

they're going to have a mystical experience. If they're empowered, they're going to start stepping towards their success. So then when we wait for the outer world to change our internal state, that's a conditioning process because some people will live in lack and separation their entire life because they're not creating anything. When this happens, then I'll feel happy. That's the illusion of three-dimensional reality. That's cause and effect.

But feeling the emotion ahead of the experience is causing an effect. So the heart, when it's coherent, tends to produce an external magnetic field that's up to three meters wide. Now you've got a Wi-Fi signal. Now, when you have a coherent brain, the brain could actually lay the information on that signal. And the thought of your wealth or your health can be carried on the frequency of that heart emotion. Emotions are the end product of an experience, right? Epigenetics says it's the environment that signals the gene. If the environment signals the gene and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion,

that person's signaling genes ahead of the environment. And now they're biologically believing, behaving, and actually becoming that person. So if the person sustains that state and we look at novice meditators that come for a week, and 90% of them, and the metabolites, not just a few, the majority of the metabolites, And novice meditators suggest that their bodies in a different life. Coherence is rhythm. It's a cadence. And when you're in fear or you're in survival and your heart rate increases and your respiratory rate increases, your brain waves go up into this aroused state, right?

And people spend 70% of their life anticipating the worst case scenario that's going to happen in their life and prepare for the worst. Chronic stress does what? It causes us to hold our breath. All right. So we found, you know, in our research and working with the Heart Math Institute and also some of the stuff we've been doing, that if you slow your breathing down, you slow your brainwaves down. And if you teach your body to move out of survival, there's only one other thing it wants to do. It wants to create, right? So now just imagine a big drum.

And now you're so contracted that you can't hit that drum. And as you learn and teach a person how to convert from that fight or flight nervous system to the nervous system of relaxation, the heart. actually starts to bloom. And when you place your attention on your heart, we have the data. I can say this emphatically. And when that heart starts to beat in rhythm, it starts to inform the brain that it's time to create. Like taking a big sheet and going like this, a wave of energy goes right to the brain.

The brain goes right in the alpha and says, it's safe now to create. Examine other possibilities. You're out of survival, right? So then as you hit that drum repeatedly, there's a wave of sound that's produced and the more coherent it is, the more it can carry information, right? Or if you drop a pebble in the water and you drop another pebble in the water and drop another pebble in the water, when your heart is coherent, there's a magnetic field, right? And incoherence causes you to overanalyze. And we've discovered this that if you, if you analyze anything, your life, yourself, within some disturbing emotion, you're going to make your brain worse 100% of the time. In other words, you're thinking in the past and your thoughts are arousing the brain more into that state of survival.

Now, that's when we overfocus. That's when we overthink, right? So then the person's having a spontaneous love attack. They've done it enough times. Their body's going, hey, it's been about two hours without a little love. Well, let me just automatically do that. And so now, when you feel these elevated emotions, it activates the pro-social networks in the brain. Survival creates the protective networks.

Like, I don't trust you. I'm separate. You're different. I'm going to do my own thing. I'm selfish right now. It's all about me. Let's compete. Let's fight.

Let's, you know, manipulate, let's force it, let's control it, let's do matter trying to change matter. That's kind of the program, right? It is. So then the opposing part of this is that when people start to connect and they start to have these elevated states, then something really unusual happens. The reality seems to conform in ways that are equal to who they're being. So now the heart is saying to the brain that's time to create, and now your energy is changing. changed and nothing changes until we change our energy. And when you change your energy, you change

your life, right? And so then the idea then is to be able to maintain that modified state of mind and body your entire day. And as I said, get so good at doing it with your eyes closed that you can do with your eyes open. Now, if you can sustain that state for an extended period of time, I don't care what you want. And people have created all kinds of things. I use health as the example because it's really relatable. Now all of a sudden it's like you're no longer having to go and get it and do something like matter to matter to go get it. And until you arrive at that experience, you're in lack or separation until the experience happens and it takes a feeling well, oh my God. Well, this is kind of like the opposite. This is like you're not going anywhere. Everything's coming to you.

So the thought tends to have an electrical charge in the quantum field. It tends to be the directive. sends the signal out. And the heart tends to have a magnetic field. It tends to draw the experience to us. So then if you teach people how to create from the field instead of from matter, they will shorten the distance between the thought of what they want and the experience of having it, between the cause and the effect. Now, think about three-dimensional reality.

Many people can develop the skills to become successful. They can make the right choices. They can study real hard. They can practice, they can get trained, but they're going to follow certain rules of Newtonian physics. It's just going to take time to get what you want. She's going to take time and hard work. There's nothing wrong with that. You do that for a while and sooner or later you're going to say, is there another way?

Now, this is where it gets exciting. Okay. If it's not matter that's emitting the field, it's the field that's creating matter, if I can change the information in the field, I can change the expression in three-dimensional reality. So if you can teach a person to become nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, and no time to become pure consciousness and disconnect and dissociate from everything physical and known in their three-dimensional reality, and we have data to say that people can do this, now all of a sudden, if they become aware that they can actually connect to that field with their awareness and they're not at my lead any longer, they're a consciousness, their awareness in infinite vacuum and emptiness in space. it would be like the illusion is the virtual reality headset. You're taking the headset off. You can't get the upgrade from inside of it.

If you could have a coherent heart and a coherent brain and create it from the field instead of matter, every thought in the quantum field produces a frequency. If you can feel the frequency of that thought and you experience it, you're shortening the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of it, and you're creating coherent patterns of energy in the field

that actually changed the hologram in three-dimensional reality. So for me personally, I've done a lot of the matter-the-matter stuff, got really good at it, and then I just said there's got to be another way. So demystify the process. I don't care what you want. I don't care if it's a trip somewhere or a new life or a new car or whatever, people who do this. What do you think they feel when they see that first synchronicity? You think they're going to be like, oh, I don't want to meditate tomorrow.

I'm going to do this. Are you kidding? The synchronicity happens in the energy. The surprise wakes the person up and they go, whatever I'm doing inside of me is producing some effect outside of me. I better pay attention to what I'm doing and keep doing it. And every human beings had some glimpse of this, at least some point in their life. The point is that this can be happening on a regular basis for you.

When you start connecting to those greater frequencies, you're moving closer to source. And what is source? Pure love. What is it? Oneness, wholeness, whatever you want to call that. It's right there the whole time. It's inevitable. It's like it's the most familiar, unfamiliar feeling you'll ever have.

And we came from that place, you know. We came from there. And so you're in an experiment called three-dimensional reality, consciousness in the never-ending process of self-discovery, right? And so now the person who has the synchronicity, who has the coincidence, they're, there, this is what I love about our community more than anything else. They do the work. They're not philosophers. They're not theological. They're not academic.

They are out of the bleachers and they're on the playing field. Every day they're creating. And the person who heals from their disease, they're not saying, why am I not healed? They're saying, what is it about me that I still have to change that will create the healing? This is a different experiment now. And so now we had a guy that came in a wheelchair in an event we did recently. He came in that throne. He walked from, he had ALS.

He walked from the back of the room. all the way to the stage, walked up the stairs out of that wheelchair on his own. I asked him. He said, I just have to work on staying in this emotional state because the longer I stay there,

the more I'm noticing that my body's responding. He's not saying why I'm not healed. He understands that the only way he can actually heal is to change him, right? And so now it becomes very practical. Everybody, everybody has done this, at least once in their life. What did they did?

They sat down and they said, what would it be like to be happy? What would it be like to be healthy? What would it be like to have a new life? What would we like to be in love? And they asked the question, instead of getting on their cell phone and texting somewhere, posting,

they actually sat there and they actually said, let me answer the question. Let me get uncomfortable here. And what is it that I truly want? What would I have to change about myself to be healthy, to be happy, to be successful? What are my bad habits? They get busy writing down all the,

the choices they want to make, all the things they want to do, they start writing down all their goals, all their experiences, and every goal experience that I write down in their future, there's an emotion, they get inspired, they get optimistic, they get grateful, they get energized, and those emotions fuel more thoughts, and now they're actually changing their biology, and then they do something really, really, really, really important.

They start looking at the thoughts that they no longer want to think. They write them down. I can't. It's too hard. I'll start tomorrow. don't feel good. They start looking at the choices they're going to have to stop making. And when they understand when they stop making those choices, it's going to be uncomfortable. That's the hardest part about change. They start thinking about the things they have to stop doing.

I got to get off the couch. I got to stop watching this. I got to stop over reading, whatever it is. And then we've all done this. And there comes a moment where you start noticing that like you start saying, hey, I believe this is actually going to happen, right? And that's when you take the foot off the gas pedal and you start really realizing, wow, I was the resource of actually making this happen.

I changed. I changed in the process. So the exciting part about it, you talk people who created wealth, talk to people who created relationships that are, talk to people who have created health. They'll tell you my disease. My poverty was my greatest teacher. My past was my greatest teacher. They look back at their past.

And now there's no longer an emotion associated with it. The memory without the emotional charges, wisdom. Now you get to go to the future. You get to create whatever you're free-willed. You could be anybody you want to be in the process. People can create all kinds of wealth, and they can create all kinds of abundance. They can have the cars, the homes, and everything. But if they can't be present to enjoy them, I've sat with billionaires,

and they've looked me in the eye and said, we're all miserable. We're all miserable. And so then at what point do you have to wait to change? Does it have to be that lowest point? Or can you learn and change in a state of joy and inspiration instead of pain and suffering? And that becomes the art, right? So then to change then is to be greater than the habituations, the drives and the emotions that have been conditioned in the body. To change is to be greater than the conditions in our environment that every person,

person, every object, everything in our life has a neurological network associated with them. They're knowns because we've experienced them and we have an emotion associate with them. So if you're not being defined by a vision of the future, you're left with the memories of the past and you see your ex and you're going to see your ex through the memory of your past neurologically and that's going to elicit an emotional response. And you're thinking and feeling equal to your environment. Your life's not going to change. So then the next question is, how could I overcome that condition with my ex?

Can I actually forgive? Could I actually open my heart? Can I actually... The reason we do this is because the stronger the emotion we feel towards someone or something in our life, the more we pay attention to them. And where we place our attention is where we place our energy. And so then we're giving our power away to that person or circumstance. That's vital life force you could use to change.

The person who's sitting in the meditation and they want to quit, this is... They're thinking they're doing their meditation wrong. I want to tell you you're doing it right. that's the defining moment, right? And you lower the volume to that emotion, I guarantee you'll take your attention off that person. And sooner or later, when the body finally settles down and you get beyond it, you're going to take your power back. And that's building your own electromagnetic field. Now you have energy to heal.

Now you have energy to create. We measured this. Now you have energy for creation, right? So you see this incredible dance that goes on now because we've built the technology between the heart and the brain. So then when the brain and the heart are coherent, And my goodness, there's a feeling where you can call it the zone or whatever you want to call it where just you feel like you have enough time to get things done. And no person, no circumstance is going to break you from your state, right? That zone or whatever you want to call that is actually teachable.

So do you have to reach gamma to do that? No. We're just knowing that the people that hit gamma, they had an instantaneous biological upgrade. There's the eczema, 37 years of eczema. The next day it's gone. Back to your original question, we have great evidence in testimony, and we have great evidence in our scientific studies. And evidence is the loudest voice. And you can't tell me you're too old to do this.

You can't tell me you're too sick to do this. I've seen people with 50 brain tumors that were emaciated, couldn't walk, couldn't speak on the stage, talking in front of an audience. You can't tell me you're too sick to do this. Now, you examine that person, you know, who comes to the event and there's no hope. You know, you have three months to live. You have six months to live. And they're not accepting that or believing that or surrendering to that. They're actually saying there's got to be some other way.

There's got to be some other way. If I created this, is it possible that I can uncreate it? So the person who's on the stage telling that story, and it may have taken them 18 months, but they never missed a day. Why is that essential? Because there were days where they felt so bad in their body, so sick that they didn't feel like doing their meditation, but they did it anyway.

There were days they had so much doubt because their condition was actually worsening, and they could have succumbed to their doubt, but they did their meditation anyway. There were days that they were in such incredible fear because the doctor told them it was three months and it would be over and it was the three month period. And they had every reason to not do their meditation. They did it anyway. They could have said, I don't have enough time.

I have kids. I got schedules. They found time to do it. And it was the overcoming, the overcoming, the overcoming that was the becoming process. Overcoming becoming. And when they became that person, what is the same thing? what is the side effect of your own personal transformation? For example, most people, when they have a physical health condition, the moment they

notice there's a change, like in pain, in something, in their sleep, you know, whatever it is, there's some change. They make the connection right away, and that's when it's the dog on the bone. Now they're doing it twice a day, not because they have to because that's their medicine. And I have sat with the scientists that have come to our events. I asked them to participate in a week-long event. And the one guy who's looking at the virus outside the cell, I said to him, one, well, how is this going to change the way you do research?

He said, this is my medicine. This I see, I've seen what it does. And people say, oh, are you saying meditation actually can cause your body be resistant to viruses? I'm not saying that. The data is saying that. I'm not, this is not what I'm saying. The data is actually saying that. So what a great time in history to be alive because you could be young. We have people that are eight years old, nine years old. We have usually about between 70 and 100 kids that come to our event that are under the age of 25 and under. We have kids that are seven, eight, nine years old that participate all the way. I got down on my knees with one of those

one of these kids and we were doing a specific meditation and I leaned over and I said to him, how was that? He said, that felt really good. And why do I want that to be the normal feeling for him? Because I want to know who he's going to be. Yeah, we're changing his, you're changing his gene expression at that age, right? And so it's an amazing time. This is a time in history where it's not enough to know.

This is a time in history to know how. So my interest to answer your question is the deep. demystify the process. No different than learning how to hit a golf ball. Everybody that has a skill that can do anything really well has done the exact same thing that I'm talking about. There's nothing different about it. Thank you for tuning in. Continue strengthening your mind by listening to our other episodes.