The Resilient Mind - Change Your Energy, Transform Your Experiences - Dr. Joe Dispenza

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

Dr. Joe Dispenza is a renowned author, speaker, and educator in the fields of neuroscience, epigenetics, and quantum physics. He has spent over three decades studying the mind-body connection and the ways in which we can harness our thoughts and emotions to create positive change in our lives.Take action and strengthen your mind with The Resilient Mind Journal. Get your free digital copy today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/Download_Journal Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Resilient Mind podcast. In this episode, you will be listening to, Change Your Energy, Transform Your Experiences with Dr. Joe Dispenza. Get access to the Resilient Mind Journal by clicking the link in the show notes. Enjoy. What we discovered is that most people don't think that they have control over that. I mean, it's so primitive. It's so in our biology, it's hard to think that you have

control over a fear response. Now, there's nothing wrong with having the fear of response. It's nothing wrong with getting aroused. The question is, how long? Like, how long is this going to go on for? So you have a reaction five days ago from something that's happened and you're still, you're still aroused by that event. You've got to agree that you're addicted, you're addicted to that emotion. Keep it going and it'll become more automatic. You'll, you'll, you'll, you'll constantly be thinking certain ways and doing certain things to reaffirm that addiction to fear. So for the short term, you know, have the fear response. If you can't shorten the refractory period of that emotional response, more than likely you're going to be in a program for the remainder of your day.

So what we teach people is how to master the fear. So take anxiety as an example, right? Many people come to the work and they have a high amount of anxiety. CEOs, engineers, doctors, nurses, dentists, people can't cross a bridge. And they've tried everything to try to change their anxiety. But what they haven't done is they haven't caught themselves feeling the feeling of fear and practicing with their eyes close first. not in their life when they're feeling fear,

but let's practice when you're sitting in the meditation and your body starts getting a little anxious, starts getting a little worried, starts getting a little aroused. What are you going to do in that moment? Can you become aware that the body's feeling, that emotion, and could you, like taming an animal, settling the body back down from that aroused state

back into the present moment, okay? It goes, great, I'm going to do this for two seconds and like a spoiled child, it starts getting aroused again. Now, most people think I'm never going to be able to overcome this. But the act of sitting with that and keep lowering the volume and not letting the body be the mind, but you actually executing being the mind. Do that enough times and you'll condition the body to a new mind. And what happens is the brain stops firing those same circuits.

Okay, then the person says, but what if this happens and what if that happens? and what if that happens and then what if this happens? And they catch themselves going to the worst case scenario or going to the memory of the past and they keep bringing their attention back to the present moment. What we discovered is if you keep doing that, you get better at it. And when the body, as I said, finally surrenders into the present moment, it cannot be in fear any longer. So the person then that returns back into their life and has lowered the volume to the feeling, to the because they've been practicing it, will respond less emotionally in their life because they've overcome it, right? If they haven't overcome it, then the response is going to be the same. So,

first thing, eyes closed. You've got to practice with your eyes closed, but get so good at doing it with your eyes closed that you can do it with your eyes open. And when it's the hardest, it matters the most. And so justified, valid or not, those chemicals are not good for you. They're not going to be. Whether you're right, whether you're justified, the only person that's hurting is you, right? So then the person who says, okay, well, is this loving to me? Okay. So the fear is real. Okay. So what emotion could you change from fear into? Okay. So we teach people, okay, can you practice breathing and slowing your brainwaves down, working with the animal, working with the body, slow your breath down, slow your brain waves down? Yeah, but I don't want to, okay? Do it anyway. practice slowing your breath down, breathing a little bit slower, your brainwaves start to change, put your attention on your heart. We have great data to show where you place your attention is where you place your energy. You see a very low frequency of the heart starting to build in the person. So now the heart is getting energy and then parasympathetic nervous system starts coming up.

The body starts moving into that state. Okay, that's really great. It keep doing it over and over again, keep relaxing into your heart, energy moving into the heart. It hard informs the brain. The trauma's over, betrayal's over, the event is over, what you're afraid of is over. And it resets the baseline in the amygdala for trauma. And the side effect of that is the person now, when energy moves into their heart like that, they start getting very creative. The heart is a very creative center. Okay, what do I want to do now? What do I want to create now? So it's something that you can only talk around. But when you're in the work and you're practicing it, it's first so important to face off with it with your eyes closed. And it's David against Goliath in the beginning because the

program is so ingrained in our biology. And yet, people who keep practicing, lowing the vine, lowing the Vaughn, you see the brain scans. CEOs, as I said, all kinds of different athletes. You see the dramatic change in the brain. There's the anxiety. And now it's gone. And there's just a significant change in a person's subjective view of the world as well. It isn't enough to inhibit the thought and the feeling, I think it's practicing feeling something else. And then we use technology to actually tell you when you're doing it and when you're not. That's so important. So take a Navy SEAL, for example, who has done all the talk therapy, tried all the pharmaceuticals, tried all the antidepressants, tried all the pain relievers,

tried the ayahuasca, tried the plant medicine, and they still can't function in their life, right? And so why can't they function in their life? Because they haven't gotten beyond the emotion that's keeping them connected to the past. We have seen people come right up to the edge of their emotional belief, you know, where the pain, where the emotion is at its high. you know, and the hardest part of every war is the last battle. And they go one more time. You know, they just say, I'm going to go again.

And when they go again, many times that's when they have their breakthrough. And the breakthrough isn't, as I said, just like a little breakthrough. It's an immediate relief for the person. And so that's the moment then when they look back at their past, they see it a whole different lens. And yeah, I think childhood trauma is, I think, probably the biggest trauma for many people to overcome because children, their brain waves are very slow. I mean, in alpha, in theta, and information goes in very quickly right into their subconscious.

And I think that we figure out adaptive ways. to not have to feel those emotions or not have to look at that past, but we're always aware of it. It's always there, right? But we don't really have a moment where we fully allow ourselves to experience it. And I think he had a moment where, by association, he let himself be vulnerable, which I think is great. And I think uncertainty, and I think that moment of vulnerability needs space. I think it needs space and it needs time for the person to sit in that and allow themselves to fully feel it, right?

And that's how you sit in it long enough. It goes away. It finally goes away. All people really want to do is feel safe and feel loved. So again, I think he played that really, really well. And that is just let that person know that you're there for them and give them. the room to go as far as they want to go. And some people feel really safe when that happens,

and I think they release it. Yeah, you got to sit with yourself. You're going to take your device and set it in the other room. You're going to shut it off and feel without that thing. And you've got a thing for yourself. And I think that kind of art of contemplation has been lost because I think that process of self-reflection kind of is a building process neurologically in our brains. And so we joke all the time with people who go through a week-long event, I say to them,

when's the last time you sat with you this long until you finally like you? You have you sit with yourself long enough. Those feelings are going to come up. They will come up because you have nothing to do. you have nothing to do, your inner world and how you're thinking and how your feeling is going to become very obvious to you. And so I think people ask all the time, well, why is my health condition like this? What are the thoughts? What are the feelings that I need to change? It's really simple. Sit with yourself and you'll know exactly what it is that you need to change. So I think you've got to

create the time to invest in yourself. One of the things that I've discovered with many people that tell us stories of transformation is that they kind of have this kind of belief, like, I believe this stuff works. I just never believe it could work for me. I mean, that's a really, really fundamentally key moment in a person's evolution because that means they actually have to change the belief. And that's sometimes, that means I got to come out of the resting. state and they got to choose themselves every day. So that person then who's arguing for some limitation

just doesn't believe that they can change their life. They don't believe that their thoughts have something to do with their destiny. They don't believe in possibility because they don't believe in themselves. You cannot believe in possibility without believing in yourself. And if you believe in yourself, that means you've got to believe in possibility. And that means then that means you got to do something. You got to get off the couch. You know, you got to get up and you got to get engaged in your world. And you got to be a creator in your life and instead of a victim in your life. Now, that's an easy thing to say. But it means that means you have to carve out some time for you. I mean, and you invest in yourself, invest in yourself and invest in your future. Do it and get uncomfortable

and know that that's normal. That's natural. That's the unknown. Okay. If you, if I keep making the same choices, I'm going to keep having the same health condition. If I keep doing the same things, I'm going to still have the same level of abundance. Okay, so I got to start making changes. It's not that hard to do it if you really want to do it. I mean, if you really want to do it, then you'll invest in yourself. Now, for me, I think everybody to some degree, Chris, believes that they have a hand in creating their life unless they've had a really, really horrible childhood in past. But on some level, people believe it, right? So people say, well, yeah, okay, so I believe that I can get the car, I can get the vacation,

I can get the new home, I can get the relationship, I can get the second home, I don't know, whatever it is that people want. But the way they're going to do it is, okay, I'm going to work really hard, I'm going to study a lot. There's nothing wrong with this, by the way. I'm going to be trained. I'm going to learn. I'm going to make a bunch of wrong choices. I'm going to learn from my mistakes.

And then I'm going to get really good at gathering a lot of things and doing these things. okay, I've created a certain degree in my life. But people who really, really start shortening the distance between the thought of what they want and experience of having it, something changes. They may say, oh, I have the belief that I create my life in some way. But is it possible that it's more than the synchronicity, you know, more than the parking space, more than thinking of a friend and they call you, like, everybody kind of accepts that as kind of, oh, that's possible. well, why don't take it to the next level? I mean, what if you could actually do more of that?

Like, is that a belief that you can begin to embrace? So that means if you believe that on some level that you can create something greater of greater magnitude, of greater amplitude, that means then you'd have to get involved in the experience a little bit more. That means I'd have to believe, how could I possibly do that? Like, what would it take for me to do that? And so people evolve their belief around creation when they start seeing bigger synchronicities happen in their life, like the opportunity, the job, the phone call, the

synchronicity, the coincidence that's bigger than the parking space because they're investing in themselves. Now, here's the cool part. The moment they have that synchronicity and it has something to do with what they're doing inside of them, they're going to pay attention to what they did inside of them. We're going to do it again. They're going to believe now, oh, I actually am the creator of my life. I'm no longer the victim of my life. He practicing that. And, you're over time, keep getting better at it. You don't have to go anywhere and do anything to get things. Somehow they seem to come to you. Somehow the opportunity is coming to you and you're not having to do it. Now, that's another way to create. And that we're all creators. So taking time to be a creator,

taking time to invest in yourself, taking time to get involved in the experiment. This is an experiment to measure the effects of you at cost, right? So do it really good one way and then find out a way if there's a way to flow, if there's a way to change, that it all of a sudden allows your environment to change around you when you change. That's when the experiment gets exciting. If you think about it when you receive something favorable or just receive something favorable, if something wonderful is happening to you or something wonderful just happened to you, the feeling that's created from that experience is called gratitude. So the emotional signature of gratitude means something wonderful is happening to you

or something wonderful has just happened to you. And gratitude is the ultimate state of receiving. That's, it's the ultimate state. So, yeah, you can practice with a gratitude journal and write down the things in your life that you're grateful for. and I think that has a really great reminder to manage your attention and to manage your energy. But by the same means, can you be grateful for things that you haven't had yet, but you believe enough that you can have? Now, we only accept believe and surrender to thoughts that are equal to our emotional state.

We'll never accept believe and surrender to thoughts that are not equal to our emotional state. So if you're feeling really unhappy and you're feeling really negatively and you're thinking positively, the thought of thinking positively never makes it past the brainstem to get to the body because the body is feeling miserable. Positive thought never changes the biology. Okay. So people accept, believe in surrender information equals of their emotional state. You watch something on a program and you get fear.

the information that comes in after that fear, you're going to accept. You get a diagnosis. The doctor says you've got this amount of time to live and you're in that state. That information is going to go right into your subconscious mind because that information is equal to the emotional state that you're in. Make sense? So you can't think positively. I'm healthy. I'm wealthy. I'm free. I'm unlimited. And your body's going, no, you're not, dude. You're miserable. So the thought never makes it to the body. Okay. So that means then we would have. have to change the emotional state of the body, and we're doing research on this, really fascinating research on this now. So the person then wants to accept, believe, and surrender to thoughts of their future, and they want to reprogram their subconscious mind to a new future. If they're feeling gratitude, and gratitude is the ultimate state of receiving, they will actually accept, believe in surrender to the thoughts that they're thinking equal to that emotional state. And that's exactly what programs the autonomic nervous system to begin to make a pharmacy of chemicals that causes the body to move into restoration, growth, and repair.

And a lot of immune function. So we took a group of people in a study, and we measured their cortisol levels. We measured an immunoglobulum called Igna, IGA. Immune the Goblin A. It's your body's natural defense. It's the body's flu shot. In fact, it works better than any flu shot. And so as cortisol levels go up, IGA levels go down. Because if you're an emergency, your immune system's compromised. If all your energy is going to the outer world and you have no energy in your inner world, you're going to be unhealthy. And the internal protection system kind of closes down. Okay, so four days of changing their emotions from resentment and judgment and frustration and impatience to gratitude and appreciation, four days. And we measured their hearts because when you're frustrated and you're impatient and you're judgmental, your heart beats very differently and when you're grateful.

Well, when you're grateful, your heart starts to beat in a more rhythmic way. and there's a couple pathways where oxytocin signals nitric oxide and nitric oxide signals another chemical that causes the arteries in your heart literally to swell, to open up. And so when you actually feel gratitude, there's a physiological component that takes place where your heart feels full. And when energy or blood makes it to the heart, and energy makes it to the heart, it's a different consciousness, right? It's a different level of awareness than when you're feeling. resentful or you're feeling impatient. So feel the emotion of gratitude and open your heart, keep activating that center. We discovered that when a person feels that emotion, they do it for four

days. Their IGA levels went up 50% just in four days. So there's a robust amusement response that takes place by just changing from those limited emotions to more elevated emotions. So we saw that when the person's feeling gratitude and their heart goes from kind of a very incoherent state to a more regulated and organized state, that once energy makes it to the heart, as I said earlier, somehow it begins to move to the brain. And if you would imagine like grabbing a big sheet and going like this, it's almost like the heart is causing this beautiful pattern of energy moving to the brain, causes the brain to move in these beautiful alpha brainwave states. That is that state of imagination. So I think when we're grateful,

those social networks turn on where we want to connect. I think we have more appreciation for the moment. And I think we're more prone to give, which actually releases more oxytocin, which releases more nitric oxide, and causes us to feel even better. So we teach people then to feel grateful for things that they haven't had yet as well as the things that they have in their life. And it tends to produce profound changes in their biology. The first step is changing your physiology. I think there's levels of gratitude that you could feel, but you have to stop feeling other things first in order to feel it. So it's not, I don't think it's enough. And I'm just saying this for myself. It's not enough for me to feel gratitude for

five minutes and then spend the rest of my day feeling miserable. That's not why I'm doing it. I'm doing it to sustain that state for an extended period of time. I want to get really good at doing it with my eyes open. So I believe that if I'm walking around in a state of gratitude with my eyes open, and I can sustain that state for an extended period of time, there should be opportunities coming to me as the result of my change in energy, right? So, I make the effort in the experiment, okay, because this is an experiment. I make the effort in the experiment that if I can stay in this great state of gratitude, that I should see something unusual come to me as a result of it.

That's why I do it. So that means that you have to, we're hypnotized and we're conditioned to believe that something out there has to change in order to take away the lack of separation of not having it inside of me. Gratitude kind of fills that lack. And so if you're not waiting for your life to change to feel that emotion, you're actually saying if I generate gratitude, I actually heal. If I generate gratitude, I should create this in my life. So I just like to use it in a way that tends to be more creative and not just be grateful for the things that I have. I think that has a lot of great biological effects. But as the creator in your life, to shorten the distance between the thought

of what you want and the experience of having it without having to do a whole lot. I think gratitude is that perfect state of receivership. I just want to define hard work first because I think I don't see hard work is the way people see hard work. I mean, I'm a very immersive person. So if I'm going to get good at something, I'm going to put my mind, my body, my heart and soul behind whatever it is I'm going to do. And I do that because I like it. You know, I like to learn. I like to experience. I like to grow. And I think you can get really good at doing it one way. The hard work, the, you know, all the stuff we talked about, get really good at doing it and become successful and then have just about everything you want. But you may not truly have happiness. You just may have a lot of things and you got really good at doing it, right? Okay. So for me, I said there's got to be another way. There's got to be another way to do. do it, that's different than the way that I've done it. I've gotten really good at doing that. Is there another way to create where I don't actually have to go and do something? If I could change my energy, and I've been at this long enough to tell you that nobody changes

until they change their energy. If I change my energy, well, my life changed, that's kind of the experiment that I'm interested in. Okay, so what piece of knowledge, what piece of information, let me find the information that can help me build the model of understanding that this is actually possible. Now, I'm not watching Netflix. I'm not watching Ted Lasso. I'm not watching suits. I'm not watching the news. I'm not watching the game. I'm reading this information because I want to understand the what and the why. Okay, now I got it. Okay. Einstein says, Einstein says, the field is the sole governing agency of the particle. The field controls the particle. The particle doesn't control the particle. Energy controls matter.

Okay. All right, let me build this model a little bit further. Okay. If the field is the sole governing agency of the particle, then it's not matter that's emitting the field. It's actually a field that's actually slowing down in frequency and creating matter. Okay, I'm telling you all this because I'm using quantum physics as a way to help us understand that mind and matter are inextricably combined. It's impossible to separate the two. Okay.

Well, it works on the very tiny level of subatomic particles, but can it work on a greater level? Can you make real life events happen in your life and collapse the wave function? Okay, well, if I'm matter trying to change matter, if I'm Joe Dispenza, aware of that I'm local in space and time immersed in the illusion of this virtual reality experience, this hologram, then I've got to play by the rules of Newtonian physics, which you've got to predict and plan and do a lot of things, okay? Okay, what if I could get to the field? What if I could become pure consciousness and be aware of nothing physical and material, become nobody, become no one

in nothing, in nowhere, and no time, become pure consciousness, and move to that realm beyond space, in time. Okay. Let me just say, okay, if I could get there as pure consciousness, and I'm not aware of my body, not aware of my environment, not aware of time, and I'm in the field. Okay, what are the principles of the field? Everything's connected. Everything's frequency. Everything's energy. There's less separation. There's more wholeness. Okay. So if I could get to the field and I can create from the field instead of from matter as an experiment, could I then begin to produce changes in the field that ultimately would change the hologram of three-dimensional reality. Okay.

So I may not be very good at it at the beginning, so it's going to take some unlearning and changing my beliefs about a lot of things and studying to make sure that when I do it, that I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. Okay. So nothing happens. Do I go back to just going back the other way or am I just not that good? So maybe I'm just not that good yet. Like maybe I've got to get better at it.

So I'm going to practice again. I'm going to keep building my model through experience. and then all of a sudden you start noticing changes. Now, the hard work was worth the effort when I start seeing the effects that it creates in my life. So I think that there's a delicate balance between intention, and that's getting clear on what you want, and surrender, which means trusting in the outcome. And if you over-intend, you're working really hard, and you're trying really hard. And if you over-surrender, you're lazy and lethargic, and you're not doing anything. So it's kind of a razor's edge when you talk about hard work because for me, it really is about

building a model of understanding and then being able to immerse myself in the experience to prove to myself that it actually could be the truth. So the hard work is just good, clean effort and getting so lost in the act of what you're doing that the act actually becomes the experience. I know that for me, when I get to that point where I've stretched myself past the point. where I normally stop, especially in a meditation, if I go one more time, it's always worth the effort. Something changes when I go past that point. And I think that works in all kinds of ways. So I think hard work for me is just immersing myself in until I start seeing effects. Well, you may have to put 10 in and get one out in the beginning. And then if you stick with it,

you put one in and you get 10 out. Thank you for tuning in. Continue strengthening your mind by listening to our other episodes.