The Resilient Mind - Emotion is Energy: How to Think, Feel, and Manifest on Purpose - Dr. Joe Dispenza

Episode Date: April 2, 2025

Dr. Joe Dispenza is a renowned author, speaker, and educator in the fields of neuroscience, epigenetics, and quantum physics. He has spent over three decades studying the mind-body connection and the ways in which we can harness our thoughts and emotions to create positive change in our lives.Take action and strengthen your mind with The Resilient Mind Journal. Get your free digital copy today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/Download_JournalSubscribe to Steven Bartlett for more inspiring videos: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDiaryOfACEO Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Resilient Mind podcast. In this episode, you will be listening to Emotion is Energy with Dr. Joe Dispenza. Get access to the Resilient Mind Journal by clicking the link in the show notes. Enjoy. What a crazy time to be alive right now. I mean, there are so many things happening in such a short amount of time. I mean, it's almost overwhelming. Every day, there's something happening.

And, you know, so living in stress is living in survival. The problem with the stress hormones is that, the arousal that's created from the stress hormones causes us to move into these higher brainwave states called beta brainwave states. We're aroused. And the arousal causes us to pay attention, primarily to all the things in our outer world. The arousal causes us to put our attention on our body. It causes us to obsess and think about time. And so people get stuck in these high brainwave states. And I think the big challenge is, is if you understand that stress is when you're knocked out of homeostasis, when your brain and body are knocked out of balance, then your response or your

reaction to people or circumstances in your life that you're chronically feeling on a regular basis is actually weakening the organism. Because when you turn on that emergency system, the fight or flight nervous system, because of the hormones of stress, and you move your body out of balance, and it has no time to recover and turn back to balance, now you're headed for disease, because no organism can live an emergency mode for that extended period of time. The arousal creates a rush of energy

and people become addicted to the stress hormones. They become addicted to those emotions, and so that now they need the people and the conditions and the circumstances in their life to reaffirm their addiction to the emotion. They need the bad job. They need the bad relationship. They need the traffic, they need the news, just so that they can stay in that emotional state.

So then 75 to 90% of every person that walks into a healthcare facility in the Western world walks in because of emotional or psychological stress, that's the number one thing. So our emotional response to the conditions in our life then becomes the important element. So people think, oh my God, when I'm emotional, I can't control my emotions. And it turns out you can regulate. It turns out you can shorten the response period from emotions and it takes practice, right? So you could take the, you can have the most ketogenic, vegan, organic, peptide, you know, whatever, intermittent fasting diet. And you could do yoga and you can do cardio and you can do hit training and, you know, foundation training and whatever.

get massage, acupuncture. But if you're an emotional wreck, and you can't, you know, if there's three types of stress, physical, chemical, and emotional, then there's three types of balance, physical, chemical, emotional. If you got your body in physical balance

and chemical balance, and you're not putting it in an emotional balance, these will never stay. So then the important part, important element then, is teaching people how to shorten the refractory period of their emotional response.

and catch themselves when they're feeling those emotions and change it and not rely on anything outside of them to do it a video game or a drug or whatever people do. Teach them that they have the tools to do it themselves. And if they understand that they're addicted to those emotions, I've seen this thousands of times. There's always an aha moment. Like, I'm addicted to anger. Really? Oh, my God.

Maybe I am. Now, the moment you recognize that, oh, my God, I'm using that person. to reaffirm my addiction to anger? Oh my God, like, I don't want to feel anger. Okay. Well, an addiction is something that you think you can't stop. An addiction is doing something that you know isn't good for you and you're doing it anyway, right? So if these emotions are addictive, then, I'm going to probably go through withdrawals. I've probably overdosed a few times. I've probably had a couple bad trips. Okay, so let me get really clear, like, how am I going to change this? So if the change is to be greater than your body, your environment, and time, and when you live in stress and you live in survival, all your attention is on your body, your environment and time, it means that when we're living in stress, it's really hard to change.

Because it's not a time to change. It's time to run, fight, and hide, right? So teaching people how to break those emotional addictions is the side effect of that is called joy. A person is no longer tormenting their body in keeping it out of balance. people who heal in this work, they don't say, oh, I'm going to heal this health condition. They'll say, the first thing I'm going to do, and this is the majority of them, is I'm going to work on getting my body back into homeostasis. Like, I'm going to work on regulating my emotional states.

I'm not going to react in this way. I'm not going to respond this way. That's the work right there, is breaking those emotional addictions so that we can move out of survival. And in survival, it's not a time to create. And survival, it's not a time to meditate. It's not a time to close your eyes and go within. You'd be eaten. It's not a time to be vulnerable.

There's not a time to open your heart, right? And yet we've got to work with our bodies and be able to recondition them to a new mind. And so a lot of the work that we do, especially during this time in history, where everybody's feeling the pressure, the environmental pressure of stress, is to give people the tools to be able to self-regulate. and when I mean self-regulate, that means move from one emotional state to another emotional state. And it's not bad that we react. We all react. I react. But the question is, how long?

Like, how long are you going to react for it? Because if you keep doing it for months or years, it ultimately becomes your personality, right? So we did a study where we had people stop feeling survival emotions for three days. and have them practice feeling elevated emotions, heart-centered emotions. We measured a chemical called IGA, immunoglobulin A. It's your body's natural flu shot. It's actually better than a flu shot. And so we measured people's IGA levels at the beginning of this time,

and then we measured them at the end. At the end of three days, by trading those limited emotions for more elevated emotions, their IGA levels went up 50%. 50%. So when you're feeling an elevated emotion, the body's so objective that it's believing it's living in an nurturing and loving environment. And if the environment signals the gene and it does, and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion, that person is signaling genes ahead of the environment. And now the body's going to make globulins, which are proteins that are going to create more internal defense and less attention on external defense. So the immune system,

then, which is the internal protection system, begins to move back into order. I think I'd like to say if you can set aside a certain amount of time for yourself, just for yourself, to be alone with yourself. And for me, my routine is to have two hours in the morning. That's just my time. Like, that's my time where I'm going to get my brain and body right. It's the time where I'm going to think about the things I have to do in the day and how I'm going to be in my day. I get that all clear. And then I do my meditation. And my meditation is really for me to overcome myself and change and then create. And I don't care if you do it in the morning or in the evening. I'm a morning person. I've always been a morning person. I have friends that are that are artists and musicians.

and even my kids, they're just more evening people. They just, they're creative, so they like the evening. It doesn't matter to me. I just pick a time in your day where you can think about who you want to be and who you no longer want to be and think about what you're going to change and always make a little room for the unknown, which is the fun part, and get creative. Yeah. And so it's one of the things I'm proud of in our community.

I'm really proud of the fact that people do the work. like everybody does the work. It's not like I have to make them do it. And when I ask them, like, why? Like, why do you do it every day? Aside from the majority of saying that makes me feel better, they typically say, I don't want the magic to end. Like, there's too many good things, too many good things going on in my life. Like, I want to keep doing this. It's working for me. So it's kind of not like I have to. It's a want to. So we were so fascinated. This was a February of 2020. I'll never forget it. We started And when we were doing our electroencephalograms, you know, our brain studies, we put a cardiac lead from the heart to the machine.

And we started looking at HRV in comparison to brain waves. And coherence is rhythm, right? So when waves are kind of moving in rhythm like this, you can see that on the brain scan, right? Bees. Yeah, they're very orderly. They're very rhythmic like that. So if you think of waves that are coherent, being very orderly and being very rhythmic, when they're out of order like choppy and they're on different parts of the brain are in different rhythms,

that's when the brain's incoherent, right? And so when we started looking at training people how to broaden their awareness to sense space, when you're sensing space, the act of sensing and feeling causes you to stop analyzing and thinking. And if you're not analyzing and thinking, you start suppressing neocortical activity. Your brainwaves start to slow down. In beta, you know, you're aware that you're a body, local, and space and time. That's low-level beta. Like we're talking right now, we're in low-level beta. If I said, Stephen, I'm going to give you a quiz, and you're going to have to take the quiz in front of your audience, and you would kind of perk up a little bit. Your brain would get a little bit more aroused,

and the light bulb would get a little brighter, and you'd move into mid-range beta. That's like when you're going to give a speech or you're at a dinner and you don't know people, you're kind of, you're kind of be a little bit more aware. Just for people that can't see this because they might be listening on audio. So beta is a conscious awareness. Now, in beta, the brain is trying to create meaning between what's going on in the outer world and what's going on in the inner world and it's processing all the sensory information. So a lot of data. So beta is like conscious and awake. And so there's low level beta, there's mid-range beta. It's not on this chart. But high-level beta is when you're fearful, when you're anxious, when you're angry, when you're in pain, when you're frustrated,

when you're jealous, whatever. People get switched on in these high levels of beta, and that's when we get overfocused. You ever been under stress? You start over-focusing. That's because you're narrowing your focus and you're over-focusing, and that's kind of a brain state. And so when you broaden your awareness and instead of narrow your focus on something physical or material, that's what the stress hormones do, but if you broaden your awareness and you sense space and this act of sensing causes you to no longer analyze and think, and your brain waves start to

move into alpha. Now, in alpha, which is this brainwave, is a slower brainwave state. That's the creative state of the brain. The brain sees more in pictures, more in images. It's more imaginary, right? In beta, there's a voice talking to you in the back of your head all the time saying, this is right and this is wrong. You got this to do, you got that to do. That's the critic, kind of in our brain. When you get beyond beta brainwaves and you move into alpha, you start opening the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. Now, we're not just looking for any type of alpha, but we're looking for coherent alpha. So we want all those compartments that we're firing in different rhythms and different frequencies, all of a sudden start doing this. So now the whole entire brain starts moving into what's called global coherence.

Now, when the brain starts synchronizing like that, what sinks in the brain starts to link in the brain, and the whole brain starts to fire as one neurological network, and that's what our data shows. Now, that's not the end. That's just when you're moving into an imaginary state, and people do this, but a lot of people move into alpha, but it's not coherent. So we're looking for coherent alpha.

Now, many of the people that are meditating really well, they can relax their body so well, and they can feel so safe that their body moves into a light rest or a light sleep while they're still awake. So it's relaxed and awake. In that realm, you're in a hypnotic state. You're in theta brainwaves.

And in theta now, lights are shut out in the thinking Neal Cortes that plugs us into three-dimensional reality. The identity's gone. The character is gone. There's no activity there. Now the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open to information, and now we're suggestible to information.

And now we're in the operating system. We can get in the subconscious mind and rewrite a program. We could rehearse a new script. We can tell a new story. Instead of the story of the past, we can tell the story of our future. And we can program our subconscious mind and our autonomic nervous system to begin to change our biology. Now, go too far past theta and you fall into delta and now lights are out. You're in a catatonic state and you're unconscious, right?

And so we kind of do this. When we go to bed at night, we go from beta to alpha, the theta, to delta. And if you're under stress and you're in high beta, you can't sleep. And you can't sleep because you're thinking, right? And you can't drop through brain waves. And we wake up in the morning and go from delta to theta to alpha to beta, right? So there's two times that the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind opens up. Okay, what does this have to do with brain and heart coherence? Well, in theta, when a person is in that state where their attention is on their heart and energy is in their heart, it's natural for the heart to tell the brain to get

creative. It's time to imagine. It's time to fall in love with the future. Now the heart is the creative center, right? It's the part of our biology that allows the brain to begin, the frontal lobe to begin to create. So you get the heart in the brain kind of working together. The more relaxed you get in your heart, the more awake you get in the brain, something beautiful happens in the brain. If the person can sustain this and they're in that theta state, theta becomes the carrier wave. And right within the brain, you start to see alpha waves building on theta waves. And then alpha waves in harmonics into beta waves and harmonics into high beta and then high beta ultimately into gamma. And now the person is relaxed.

and very awake because gamma is super consciousness. It is super awareness. So the formula of being relaxed and awake and synchronizing your heart to your brain causes the brain to move into a state of what's called resonance. And resonance is when you have waves on top of waves, harmonics. And the brain starts functioning in a more resonant state. Sometimes even people have delta as the base carrying theta and theta carrying alpha and alpha carrying beta to high beta to gamma. and they're all waves within waves. And as those waves come together, if they're coherent, they interfere and create a bigger wave. And then those waves come together and they interfere and they create bigger waves.

And that's exactly how the energy and the brain goes up. So we have brain scans of people whose gamma brain waves are 200, 300, 400 standard deviations outside of normal. I'll give you an idea. Three standard deviations outside of normal is 2% of the population. population. So they're processing an enormous amount of energy in their brain. And it feels really good, really good. So we practice a lot synchronizing the heart to the brain. If you do like MDMA or something, does that put you into some of these brainwaves? I'm wondering if these psychedelics are inducing if these states. We're going to do a comparative study actually this year with psychedelics and

meditation. I can I can answer that question more definitively. What we do know from fMRI studies, with psilocybin is that the default mode network in the brain. The one I was talking about earlier, that's always the brain's predictor, that shuts off with psilocybin. And that's exactly what we see in our advanced meditators and our fMRIs, that those people that are having a mystical experience right in the MRI looks like they're taking psilocybin. The same exact brain circuits are turned off. First way is when you're conscious in your subconscious mind and you're trained to imagine whatever

it is that you want, you're going to begin to signal your autonomic nervous system to start manufacturing chemicals equal to your intention. In other words, the intention of whatever you're thinking about acts as information that begins to change your biology. So theta is a great way to open up the door. We also use theta when we want to program people because it's a hypnotic state to a mystical experience. And if they're in that state, remember, when you're suggestible, you accept, believe, and surrender to information as if it's the truth without analyzing it. And that's what programs people's biology, right?

So you can program somebody into believing they need a drug, and you can program somebody to believing in just about anything. but you could also program them for a mystical experience, and that's what we do. Now, so we can do that by giving them information when they're in that hypnotic state. They're very suggestible, but we're only going to do it in a way that's going to be beneficial to them. And then the third way is something that we really discovered that we weren't expecting. Let's see how I can say this and make it simple. There's particle in wave. There's matter and energy.

and so if all of your attention is on this three-dimensional world, you're unaware of energy. So have a person close their eyes and take their attention off of everything physical, everything material, everything known, and go from a narrow focus to a broadened focus, and as they sense the space, they're actually putting their attention on that invisible field of energy that exists beyond our senses, the quantum field, right? and that field is carrying an enormous amount of information. So when a person moves into theta, and I ask them to open their awareness, if they're in a certain range of theta, we can just about predict 100% of the time

that that person is going to connect to information. Now, not information coming from their senses, like a hypnotist could put you in a trance in theta and give you suggestions and you could program you. but you're still in the same state, that hypnotic state, but your eyes are closed. There's music playing in the background. You're not eating. You're not tasting. You're not smelling.

You're not feeling with your body. But you're still suggestible to information. There's only one other place you can find information, and that's frequency. And frequency carries information. So when a person starts to connect to energy, to frequency, and the thinking neocortex has dialed down, the moment they connect to that energy and frequency, the brain goes into these very, very high states of gamma brainwave patterns. They're connecting to a greater level of energy, a greater level of order, and the arousal that's felt when they have this connection, which is normally typically fear

or anger or pain, the arousal is ecstasy. The arousal is bliss. They say, I don't have the words to describe the feeling that I just had, right? So they're dipping closer to source. They're dipping closer to a greater energy and frequency, and it's being reflected in their biology. When we see people move into these elegant states of high gamma, it's primarily in their autonomic nervous system. It's very fast, and it's very coherent.

Now, if stress is autonomic dysregulation, and they're functioning in a very, very high energetic state in their autonomic nervous system, coherent gamma brainwaves. Then there's an enormous amount of autonomic regulation. And the autonomic nervous system controls and coordinates all other systems. Now watch out because now the tuning fork is sending information to every cell and tissue and organ in the body. And when people move into these states, many times when they come back, they get a biological

upgrade. somehow energy starts to inform matter, and the whole body is lifted by light, by lifted by frequency. When we draw the blood from people who have these kind of moments, we look for information in the blood. There's information in the blood that we've discovered that stops the COVID virus from entering the cell. We've isolated the protein that inhibits the virus from entering the cell. In other words, we've done the studies called adoptive transfers. We've taken advanced meditators' blood, and we've put it in a culture with ACE2 receptors,

cells that have ACE2 receptors, and then expose the ACE2 receptor to a pseudo-virus, like a COVID virus. And in advanced meditators, we noticed that the virus couldn't enter the cell. It was stuck to the outside of the cell, and we isolated a protein in the advanced meditator's blood that inhibits the virus from entering the cell. those people that have those transcendental moments, as I said, 84% of them, 804% of them have information in their blood that causes the mitochondrial function and glycolytic function and cancer cells to shut off.

There's information in the blood for neurogenesis for the microbiome completely changed at the end of seven days, completely different microbiome, without changing their diet. at all. They're still eating the same food, but they're not the same person, right? There's some kind of change that creates a lot of probiotic microbes. Well, we published the paper. It got published in a scientific journal. People can see it online. Well, if you keep practicing being greater than your environment, you'll be greater than your environment. That's just how it is. In other words, if your response to your environment doesn't weaken you but strengthens you, then the innate intelligence of your body will have an intelligence that will cause you to be greater than your environment right down to the microbe.

Many people that come to our week-long retreats, Stephen, they're novices. They've never really meditated before. Their spouse or their boyfriend or girlfriend brought them or their co-work or their friend. They're just kind of like, whatever. You know, I don't really know what I'm getting myself into. The novice meditator who just kind of practices a little bit that goes through the immersive experience at the end of seven days, their brains look like advanced meditators. At the end of seven days, their biology, their blood values, look like they've been meditating

for years. In other words, at the end of seven days, those advanced meditators that were novice meditators that look like advanced meditators are upregulating thousands of genes in their biology to suggest that they're living in a whole new life, a whole new environment, and they're in a ballroom, and there's nothing very stimulating about a ballroom. So whatever they're doing inside of them, inside of themselves, somehow is causing dramatic changes. Now, we looked at a group of people. We looked at their genotype, and genes make proteins.

And your gene expression is different than mine, different than every single person. So everybody has their own unique genotype, which means they all make their own individual proteins. At the end of seven days, when we looked at those meditators, at the end of seven days, we looked at seven days, almost 80% of the population was making the same genes and the same proteins. They were signaling the same genes and making the same proteins. What does that mean? That means when people behaved in the same way, there's an emergent consciousness that comes forth that's reflected in people's biology, the flock, the herd, the tribe. Everybody's

evolving together biologically. events are a spiritual rave. I mean, that's the best way I can describe it. I mean, we start at six in morning, and we finish at seven or eight at night, and the days go by extremely fast. There's standing and walking meditations. We do sometimes four or five of them, sometimes six at a week long event. Why? Because you've got to embody it. You've got to get really good at doing it with your eyes open. We do laying down meditations after we get people to a certain point where I know they're not going to fall asleep when they lay down. And so, and then we do some, big meditations that are that are a little bit more longer, but people are wrapping down the whole

entire time. None of the meditations will ever be done without knowledge beforehand, because knowledge is the precursor to the experience. So, so it's an immersive experience, yet turns out to be about 35 hours of meditation when it's all said and done. But you ask anybody who does a week-long event, They'll say I'm so, I can't wait to get back into my life and start my practice because what I was doing when I got here was nothing like I'm doing now, right? So now they're more equipped. And really, they're kind of in a different body. They're walking back into a new life. And, you know, they're not on the same line of time any longer.

That's what I want. I want people to walk out into their life and not say you need to shorten the refractory period of your emotional responses. You need to forgive and you need to get your brain or heart coherence. I don't want anybody in my work to do that. I want them to walk out into the world and be the example. So so much so that people go, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's up with you, you're different. Like I, you know, you're, you seem different, you know, what is it, you know?

And that's when I think the real conversation starts. So that's, that's, that's, that, it's instrumental. When it becomes instrumental and you apply it to your life and it's working for you is, it's not a have to, as I said, it's something that you really enjoy doing. And, wow, what an, what an, what a, what a, what a, sovereign idea that you could actually make yourself happy. What a crazy idea when you hit those gamma moments where you feel a level of love you have never felt in your entire life by connecting the source, which is pure love.

I just stop looking for it outside of you. You start realizing it's within you. That's a big moment, right? Because then you won't need anybody or anything. That's freedom. That's unconditional love, right? And you'll get out of want. use that term a few times.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, like want, like we've been trained to create based on lack. That's what we do in three-dimensional reality. In three-dimensional reality, you see someone that has a sports car and you don't have one and you like that sports car. All of a sudden, you want that sports car. Your brain starts creating based on lack of not having it. You see someone in a scarf and you like that scarf. And next thing you know, you're wearing that scarf.

Your brain imagines you having it, right? But the way we get it in three-dimensional reality is we have to do something. This is the plane of demonstration. So then when we finally get the scarf and we finally get the car, the experience of getting the car produces the emotion that takes away the lack or separation of not having it. So some people spend their whole life in lack, waiting for the thing that come around to take away the feeling of lack or separation, right? My message is not that. My message is actually to create in a different way.

in such a way that you feel like it has already happened. Now, the power behind all of that is that the person now who's in that state where they're feeling like the event has already happened, they no longer want it because they're feeling the emotion about how could they, they wouldn't be looking for it. You only look for it when you experience lack. If you feel like it's already happened, you're no longer separate from it. And we cannot attract anything in our life we feel separate from. And so feeling that emotion somehow starts to draw things to us.

And now we're not having to do anything. And things are starting to come to us. That's the synchronicities. That's the coincidences. That's the opportunities. We're not doing anything. They're coming to us. And that's so you can't, when you create from that quantum field instead of from matter,

you can't create from lack because the thought of your wealth and the quantum produces the feeling of abundance. The thought of your wealth and three-dimensional reality for many people produces the lack of not having it. So in the quantum, there's a whole different set of rules, and it's not something that, you know, you learn right away. It's you learn from trial and error. So then when we create, truly create in the act of creation, and we are creating from the field instead of from matter, to shorten the distance between the thought of what we want and experience of having it. The only way that we can do that is we can't create from lack.

So in the creative process, we create from wholeness. My concern when I hear that is, well, if I no longer want, if I no longer live in a state of want, am I going to have the motivation to get up and go? Because I look at my life and go, well, it was your creating from a place of lack that motivated you to start a podcast and to start run businesses and do all of these things and get a car and whatever else? No, I'm not disputing that. I think you do that for a while.

You do that for a while. And I always tell people, I don't care what you want to create. I just want you to get really good at creating. I don't care what it is well. I don't care what it is. Cars, you know, whatever it is, vacations, houses. I don't care. Just get good at creating.

But sooner or later, the novelty will wear off on all of that. And you'll want to know that on some level there's more. So we always desire things. We always want things. But when we're in the creative process, we cannot create from the lack of not having it. We have to create from the feeling of having it. Thank you for tuning in.

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