The Resilient Mind - Forgiveness is Freedom: Reclaim Your Energy and Rewire Your Reality - Dr. Joe Dispenza

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

Dr. Joe Dispenza is a renowned author, speaker, and educator in the fields of neuroscience, epigenetics, and quantum physics. He has spent over three decades studying the mind-body connection and the ways in which we can harness our thoughts and emotions to create positive change in our lives.Take action and strengthen your mind with The Resilient Mind Journal. Get your free digital copy today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/Download_JournalSpecial thanks to Lewis Howes, subscribe to his channel here: https://www.youtube.com/c/lewishowesWatch the full interview on Lewis's page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ezAOgZGXKw Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Resilient Mind podcast. In this episode, you will be listening to, Forgiveness is Freedom with Dr. Joe Dispenza. Get access to the Resilient Mind Journal by clicking the link in the show notes. Enjoy. You think we need to forgive in order to heal then? Yes, yes, I do. And forgiveness is taking your attention off that person or problem. The only way you do that is overcome the emotion.

Because the stronger the emotion you have to some person or some past event, the more you pay attention to it. where you place your attention is where you place your energy. So you're giving your power away, your life force to that person or that problem. Lower the volume to that emotion. And I don't care if it takes a whole day. We have people that have to lower the volume of that emotion. They keep lowering the volume, that emotion. They keep taking their attention off that person or problem.

The body is an unbridled horse. You know, just insisting on wanting to be aroused. The person, instead of getting up and quitting or grabbing their cell phone or laying down or whatever, they're in the fire. They've lit the match in the dark place. And now the game is on. And if they keep lowering the volume to that emotion, keep taking their attention off that person,

every time they lower the volume to that emotion, they're telling the body it's no longer the mind. They're telling it, I am the mind. And sooner or later, the animal, the body is going to acquiesce. It's going to surrender. And when it does, there's a liberation of energy. The heart opens up and the person feels completely different.

Now that's when that occurs, they see their past. And some of them say, I don't want to change one thing in my past. It's perfect. I would have never gotten to this moment unless I've been through all of this. And we've had people, you know, you can't say, you know, you've had a horrible past any longer because we have people that have been raped and abused every day of their life, physically, emotionally, mentally, violently, night tremors, suicidal tendencies, all kinds of

health conditions. One moment, their heart opens and all of a sudden they see it all. They see it all. They have nothing but forgiveness for them. Their body heals. Their mind heals. They completely changed. They're all, they're, they've got an, they're, they're, they have another opportunity in life, right? So, so it's not a bad practice. to intentionally create the emotions that are good for you. And if you keep doing it over and over again, just like anything, you'll get easier for you to feel it.

And I think if you practice that enough times and you have a different consciousness, when you show up in a relationship, doesn't matter what kind of relationship, intimate relationship, relationship with your friends, relationship with your dog, relationship with co-workers or boss,

or whatever. There's an error. about a person who is poised that's relaxed in their heart and awaken their brain, so much so that it's so much better than being stressed out, unconscious and living in a program, that it's noticeable. And we're doing these studies on facial recognition because one of the things that happens at the end of a seven-day event is people return back into their life and people say to them, you look completely differently. What happened to you? And we were right down to the the stitch, you know, we have these, you know, algorithms that are looking at all the facial

patterns, and people are literally, literally changed. Their face is different at the end of seven days. So when the energy moves from the heart to the brain, there's just a whole different expression, right? We start to bloom in a sense. And then the question is, that consciousness is, considers the whole. The consciousness of love is holistic. It always considers the whole. Like, how is this going to affect the whole? It's no longer selfish. You know, the first three energy centers of the body have everything to do with the self, right? And this is a, this is a selfless state. This is, how can I give? You know, when you give, you release an enormous amount of oxytocin. It feels like you're receiving if you do it, you know, genuinely. You're kinder. You're more caring.

You're more present. You're more loving. you're more intentional, you're more relaxed. And that's the natural state of being. And you've got to practice feeling that way. And then the last step is that when you're not there, valid, justified or not as the reason why the only person that's hurting is you, can you break the addiction in that moment and convert from those emotions of frustration or anger or judgment or whatever, you know, when you're rallied?

can you can you can you get be intelligent enough emotionally to say let me see if i can settle myself down i mean that would be the greatest victory because i think if you when it's the hardest it matters the most yes and then after that point it gets easy right so so um i think that people interpret love in a lot of different ways uh but when people truly really mind for it within themselves and they hit that moment. I think the greatest thing that they realize is that it's not coming from anyone or anything out there. It's been within them the whole time.

This cracks open and now they are love. It's not like they have to practice being like. The side effect of that moment is they're more free. They're more in love with life. They're see beauty. It's interesting we're saying this because we want to be self-list. and be thinking outward thinking, how do we give? How do we contribute? Right? But we also need to be self-ish in some ways and say, I'm not looking for someone to give me love, to feel loved. I'm going

to create the love within me. And therefore, we have to be selfish in some ways to. But that's not selfish. That's like, that's honoring yourself in a way that when you, when this is a plane of demonstration, you get to, you got to, you got to demonstrate who you want to be. This is where you got to practice. This is the theater. You got to get out there and you got to demonstrate what love would do. And the soul is the, you know, the soul is really interested in that. Like, that's what it wants. It wants the adventure. It wants to get out of survival finally, you know, and begin to experience a whole different set of events in our life that we create. So is it possible, then, that a person can get so good at feeling that way that when they present themselves

in a relationship, you could feel their love. Like, then they're sovereign. Like, a person who truly feels love is going to be okay with you. They're going to just be okay with you. A person who's resentful, a person who resents themselves is going to resent others. People who hate themselves are going to hate others. People who judge themselves are going to judge others. So a person who's grateful, a person who's in love with life,

who practices that intentionally, they're not going to knee-jerk as fast, because they're gonna know the difference between constantly living there and then getting their body out of stress and survival and moving it back into homeostasis. And we discovered when you get a person back into homeostasis, the body has the innate capacity to heal itself. That's what it does when it's back in balance. We have a group of language specialists

from the University of Central Oklahoma that study the language of transformation. They've found us and they were just blown away. and they have these computer algorithms where they study, like the language of our community, and independent, by the way, of your native language for any country you're from, at the end of seven days, everybody speaks the same,

use the same words, we use the same language. So a new culture is created, right? So the power behind that is amazing. So when we're looking at people, there's two ways that we discover this, process of transformation. One is the immediate way and this is happening more but I'll give you the short version. If you could practice dialing down your thinking brain, your neocortex, the mechanism here that plugs you into three-dimensional reality, the autobiographical self,

the repository of everything you've learned and experienced up until this moment, if you can practice lowering your brain waves from beta to alpha, you know, alpha being that dreamy creative state into a brainwave called theta. When you're in theta, you're in a hypnotic state. And when you're a hypnotic state, you're very suggestible to information. And suggestibility is your ability to accept, believe, and surrender to information without analyzing it. And that's, and not as, without analyzing it, whether it's true or not. And that goes right into the subconscious. And it begins to program the subconscious, right? So, but if you're in a state of theta, now imagine this, You're in a suggestible state, a hypnotic state, but your eyes are closed.

The music is filling the space of the room. You're not eating. You're not tasting. You're not smelling. You're not feeling with your body. But the door between the conscious mind, the subconscious mind is wide open because you've suppressed your analytical mind. That's what separates it. We discovered when people just go a little outside of normal in theta, and they put their awareness on instead of the particle in quantum physics, the wave, instead of matter and energy, they open their awareness.

If the brain's in the right state, all of a sudden we see this arousal take place in the nervous system where they move into these very elegant, very high states of gamma brainwaves. And the gamma is like super consciousness. And it's not a little gamma. It's not a lot of gamma. It's not a whole lot of gamma. It's a supernatural amount of gamma. And we see it over and over again.

In fact, we had a neuroscientist from UC San Diego at our last event in Denver last week. And she was doubting, you know, a lot. And she saw it on the 128 lead brain scan. And she was like, we got to measure all the time. I'm like, I know. I know. I'm telling you this. But it's all the gamma is taking place in the limbic brain.

Right under the neocortex. The seat of the autonomic nervous system, the automatic nervous system is on fire. And the frequency is super high. It's super coherent. And it's compressed. And the autonomic nervous system controls them. coordinates all other systems. So when a person connects to energy, they're in that right state, suggestible to information, all frequency carries information, right? So now they're

suggestible, but they're not getting it through their senses. They're getting it from the field, right? And when the brain is coherent, it can become entrained and then it acts as a transducer, and the autonomic nervous system goes into these gamma states. And every single cell in the body is being informed by new information. And the body is lifting. by light, it's lifted by energy. When that occurs, we see an instantaneous healing that goes on with a person, like, there's the Parkinson's, now it's gone. There's the eczema, now it's gone.

There's the stage 4 cancer, now it's gone. There's the muscular dystrophy, now it's gone. There's a spinal cord injury, now it's gone. There's the blindness, now it's gone. You know, there's an upgrade that takes place. So that's instantaneous, and we see that more and more these days. It's an event. It's an inner moment.

It's an inner moment. It's an inner event that is changing a person's biology. And if all disease is a lowering of frequency, I believe, in an incoherent pattern, this coherent energy is literally lifting the body with light, right? And so we see an automatic instantaneous upgrade. It's miraculous. So that is the instantaneous one that we see. In the study of the language of transformation, many times people are going from one personality

to another personality. And they know that they have to change. And a lot of people say, well, I believe this works. You know, I've seen all the testimonials. I really believe in it. I just didn't believe it would work for me. There's a big moment because you've got to get out of the bleachers. You've got to get on the playing field.

You've got to show up every day because if you're going to believe in that possibility, you've got to believe in yourself. And if you've got to believe in yourself, you've got to believe in possibility. And your belief in yourself must be earned, right? You got to show up, right? So one of the consistent things that happen with a lot of these people that cross the river of change is some of them do their meditations for a year, for eight months, for 13 months, for two years. All along, they're changing.

All along, they notice that the more they change, the less pain they have, they're sleeping better through the night. They can eat more than 10 foods. They have more energy. Best reactive. Yeah, yeah. They're starting to notice that something's changing. And then in time, they start to notice that their body starts to change, right? And that's all they need.

Because the moment they notice something changing, they're going to pay attention to what they're doing and they're going to do it again. But now their belief is going to be amplified because they're noticing it. So now they're more intentional. Now they're more present. Now they're assigning meaning to the act a little bit more. And many people will say, I just knew in this one meditation,

I just knew I was going to be okay. Like, I just knew it. Like I just knew. But don't forget, they're showing up every day for eight months or 13 months or a year or two years. They're not missing a day. Because if they miss the day,

then they wouldn't believe that they're the creator of their life. So according to the language specialist, the person who has that big gamma moment, their description of the experience is the number one thing. that they speak about is what they felt. In fact, I've had people on the stage describe their experience, you know, and they're weeping and there's the most incredible experience of their life. And I'm like, will you please tell the audience, oh, yeah, I was blind now I can see.

Yeah. Like the upgrade wasn't as profound as the experience that they had. Wow. And so. What is that feeling that they have when they feel? Okay, so it's a great question. So the language specialists have divided into two categories. One is very somatic.

Like every single cell in my body was filled with light. It was like my heart exploded like an engine. Like energy shot down my fingertips like lightning bolt. The top of my head blew off. They're very somatic, right? It's very semantic. It felt like this, but they're using metaphors. It's not like that.

Yeah, yeah. The other element is very emotional. Like they say, I never felt love like that in my life. I never. I forgot, I forgot how, that I'm, that I'm connected. I forgot that there's a divine intelligence in me. I feel more bliss, more ecstasy. I feel more grateful for life. It's very emotional. But they'll say, no, but that's not it. It's not like any feeling that I've ever had before, right? So remember, the end product of an experience is an emotion. So their inward experience that they're having. is so transcendental and it's coming with an emotion, and the emotion tends to be less chemical, tends to be more electric. It feels like it's like a profound level of energy. Stronger the emotion you feel and that's happening,

the more you're going to remember what's going on between your ears, right? The people who cross the river of change that take time, when they pop up and they see a new landscape, when they see a future and they know it, they become less obsessed and worried or desperate about what their future looks like. Even sometimes if they're, and we just had someone on the stage the other day, even when they were getting worse,

they were like, I know I'm going to be okay. Like, I'm just going to keep doing this. I know I'm going to be okay. And they just kept showing up. And then all of a sudden their values started to change. And the next thing starts to change. And they just, and many of them say, you know, I just got to this point where I just liked myself so much.

I was so grateful for everything that I'm learning. I really could care less of. I have a disease, and that's the moment it goes away, right? Because they're no longer identifying with it any longer. That's the moment where they're free, right? So they've changed so much that they're happy, you know, and they're no longer identifying with themselves as that personality any longer. And so many people will say, God, I would have never become this person.

I didn't have that disease. I would have never become wealthy if I didn't have to spend that time in jail or go bankrupt. I would never be this guy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. All of that happened. It was all purposeful good for me to become this person, right? So.

So that. It's a level of appreciation for everything in the past. Exactly. Not a level of resentment. Exactly. anger and frustration and... I mean, people will say, oh my God, like the disease exists in that person. I'm not that person.

I'm someone else. And there's a sense of temporality that we see in the language as well. The language says, like, I'm here as this person and I'm not the same person. It hasn't been the same person. I've been changing all along. And that was somebody else. The disease exists in that unhappy person. That's interesting because you talked about in the beginning that every one.

want we have come from a feeling of separateness or lack. There's nothing wrong with that. Right. But it's almost like what you're describing right now is people are now separate from their old person that had the behaviors, the attitude, the values. Completely different. Now they're separate from the person that was living in lack, suffering, disease. They're not identifying as that person anymore.

Exactly. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. They've put in their time to that, to, break down that unlearning of that 95% they had to stop thinking one way and start thinking another way. That's not easy, especially if you're hardwired to think a certain way. You've got to come up against yourself. They have to stop acting one way and start acting another way. Stop doing certain things. Start doing other things. Stop feeling one way. Start feeling another way. They've got to

break the habit of their old self and reinvent a new self. And the 95% is the overcoming process. And we discovered that the overcoming process is actually the becoming process. And that is the work, right? That's why it's so important for people to come up against themselves that are immersive experience. And the seven-day events, I want people to come right up against those programs because they're never going to face off with them unless they're just sitting there. They have to decide, do I really want to believe this any longer?

Do I really want to feel this? Do I really want to hold on in this memory? If I really want to complain anymore, if I want to be happy, I'm never going to be happy if I'm complaining. Complaining makes me unhappy, right? So there's this kind of essence that starts to emerge out of the human being when they're in the fire there and they're struggling and they keep working. It's tedious as it may seem in the beginning.

When they start, you know, disinvesting and objectifying their subjective self, when they start turning that around, it's natural then. It's natural for them to start dreaming again. It's natural for them to start believing in their future and they start feeling really worthy, really worthy of their future. Thank you for tuning in. Continue strengthening your mind by listening to our other episodes.