The Resilient Mind - How Trauma Lives in Your Body (And How to Free It) - Danielle Bird

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Watch the full video interview on the new Resilient Mind YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_PLwfBXGwYWhat if trauma isn't the event that happened to you, but the energy that gets stuck in your body from the lack of processing that event? In this episode, we sit down with trauma specialist Danielle Bird to explore a revolutionary definition of trauma. We dive deep into the concept of "stuckness" and how unprocessed emotions from our past can live in our subconscious mind our body and dictate up to 97% of our present-day actions, beliefs, and relationships.Connect With Danielle: Website: https://www.daniellebird.com/Instagram:  thedaniellebirdTikTok: thedaniellebirdYoutube: @thedaniellebirdTake action and strengthen your mind with The Resilient Mind Journal. Get your free digital copy today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/Download_Journal Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Resilient Mind podcast. In this episode, you will be listening to how trauma lives in your body with Danielle Bird. This episode is also available in video. Watch it on YouTube by clicking the link in the show notes. Enjoy. So there's a lot of talk about trauma. You can think about trauma not as an event outside of you, but as the lack of processing of that event. if you've ever seen the pictogram of like an iceberg,

where the tip is the conscious mind, and that's only 3 to 5% versus 95% to 97% of influence, which is subconscious, below the level of your awareness. Your nervous system is 500 million years old. Your conscious mind is certainly not that old. What does it mean to process emotions? To process emotions is to actually have the capacity to be with those emotions in real time. And typically, emotions shift anywhere from 90 seconds to two minutes.

A lot of fast after me will the fight-to-flight freeze system. And I believe you take it a little bit further, fight, flight, freeze, and far. What is the predominant voice in your own head? Is it toxic shame driving the bus? The very popular strategy today is meditation. What's your perspective on it based on what you have talked about so far? Meditation is not something that I would actually recommend for people. Welcome, Daniel. I am super excited to have you here and to get to learn about your insights on trauma, what it is, how it affects the body, and more importantly, how we can process it so that we can live a resilient, meaningful, and authentic life. So I'm super excited to have you here. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm really always happy to share insights and bringing in new perspective shifts or knowledge that supports people.

on their journey of self-discovery and alignment with what really matters to them. I know we are all excited. So there's a lot of talk about trauma. Today is becoming a topic that many people are becoming familiar with. But maybe let's start with the definition of what trauma is and how it affects the body. Absolutely. Such a good question. I'll start with the first piece of that, which what is trauma?

There are many different lenses through which you can define trauma. and the one definition that serves me and makes the most sense is that you can think about trauma not as an event outside of you, but as the lack of processing of that event. So it becomes stuck in your body. And that experience stays in your subconscious mind, which is your body. And it shows up in the conscious mind as well through beliefs that we are aware of, thought forms that we have, but also through tension, through autoimmune conditions, through a laundry list of physical diseases if the trauma is not processed for an extended period of time. You can think of it as that stuckness.

You can use that interchanging trauma equals stuckness. And where is the stuckness? It's in the body. And we, like I'm hearing you talking about, it's not like you have not processed the emotion or the event. What does it mean to process emotions? To process emotions is to actually have the capacity to be with those emotions in real time. So to actually be connected and embodied with our experience of feeling and to allow it to expand through our body, which then metabolizes the emotion through our body.

And we come to a completion, meaning the emotion shifts. And typically, emotions shift and energy. anywhere from 90 seconds to two minutes, if there are acute emotions. So if they're an emotional response to your day to day, for example, but if it's a trauma that is triggered from the body, we experience what are called emotional flashbacks. And that's a whole different story. Before going too deep into that, I'll stay here with you.

We'll circle back to what emotional flashbacks are. And so if a person is experienced trauma, Are people always aware that they've experienced trauma or are there some people that have experienced trauma but may not be aware of it? Such a good question. Because of the innate nature of what is traumatic, so it's more so, think of it more like an embodiment than an experience outside of you. To be traumatized is to be in that embodiment where your nervous system senses threat to a higher level because it's really, reading into the unprocessed nature of the painful primary emotion, whether it was terror, disappointment, rage, strong feelings of betrayal, so like really strong heartache that wasn't able to be felt and processed through the body. It will stay there. And the reason why is because

whenever we dislike, repress, suppress, repress, or fear an emotional response, our mind naturally pushes it down. And when we push something down below our level of consciousness, it doesn't disappear. It goes into the body. It goes into the tissues. It goes into the cells. And they remember. So that's what's being activated in those moments.

Fascinating. Just thinking that, again, the body has got almost its own memory. And this reminds me of we did another session with Dr. Clark. And he talks about neuroplastic symptoms and neuroplastic pain in which individuals have no disease. no injury, but they feel this pain because of unprocessed emotion. And so it's almost like the body is responding saying there's something here, even though we might not be always conscious about what's going up. Yeah. And it's the nature of trauma that it's not conscious, right, because you're suppressing it, push it down. So you go from, if you've ever seen the pictogram

of like an iceberg, I feel like that's the one that trends a lot, where the tip is the conscious mind. and that's only 3 to 5% of your capacity to be connected in mindfulness, awareness, versus 95 to 97% of influence, which is subconscious, below the level of your awareness. Subconscious meaning you feel it actually in sensations and emotions, not in language. So you're not going, oh, this is connected when you feel triggered. This is connected to that experience from childhood. You don't have that conscious awareness, but you have the feeling that's, coming up, that is notifying your nervous system that you're not safe.

And so does trauma always have to do with not feeling safe in a situation? No, trauma is anything that was too much too soon in sensation and feeling that was not processed. So we weren't able to come to the embodiment and expansion of that feeling, to come to a natural completion of, one, the emotion itself, so grieving, right? grieving a cycle. But two, for the nervous system to complete its activation, what happens is that trauma is experienced in the body because there is a lack of safety in processing it,

whether that's internal or relational or environmental as well. So we're the nervous system to complete its activation cycle and go back into regulation, which means go back into the parasympathetic nervous system where we feel safe and socially engaged and connected and we're digesting our food, we're relaxed. We need safety for that to start going back. And so trauma isn't necessarily because of a lack of safety,

but the stuckness in the body is inherently because we don't have safety inside or relationally or environmentally. Trauma can also be from what you don't receive in childhood, for example, right? You can be traumatized by neglect. And oftentimes people who experience that stuckness in their body from, neglect, don't even know that they're missing something because you're born into a family and that's your schema of normalcy. So you don't know what you don't know unless you have friends who are really keen on reflecting that to you and have high emotional intelligence at a very young age or

parents or community members who notice these things. You're not going to pick up on what you don't have because you think this is what is normal. So trauma can be abuse. It can be neglect. it can also just be from having emotionally unavailable parents and not knowing the literacy of emotional processing, not feeling safe enough, being told that you are too much, your emotions are too chaotic, never feeling safe to be your authentic self. There's a lot of different layers that can create the stuckness in our body, which then we aren't so consciously aware of until it shows up later in relationships or out with the work or with their own body. You don't feel safe ourselves, it kind of sprouts up in a million different ways because it's coming from within

and it demands to be processed. And how does trauma or unprocessed emotions affect our current relationships and how we show up if we have not addressed it or processed it? That's the question. That's the end. I'm like, Mike drop. That's the whole, that's the whole thing, isn't it? When we hold trauma in our body, let's say, for example, I grew up emotionally neglected. This is a true story. I grew up emotionally neglected. And so from that, I had belief wounds, which are beliefs about the self that come from the wounding of the emotional trauma, the neglect or abuse in anyone else's case, whatever it is, about the self. And so from being emotionally neglected, I held belief wounds such as I'm not wanted, I'm not desired, because my parents

were never paying attention to me, right? They were never focusing on me. They were never checking in with me. they're actually quite using me as their counselor at a very young age. And so from that, I learned people are overwhelming. My emotions don't matter. I don't matter. And so I'm holding all of these at the level of the subconscious. And then I have a program that runs. And if I don't reprogram this, which programming at the subconscious level happens

through emotion and repetition and sensations. Well, if you experience something too much too soon is so big, you don't need a lot of repetition. You don't need a lot of repetition. You could have something that was so traumatic for you that you never have to experience that. Again, it was enough for it to really be programmed. But that's what happens is that we experience stuckness. It goes below the level of our awareness, especially if it was in childhood. You didn't even have a chance.

You don't have the prefrontal cortex, the cognitive capacities to externalize and be like, it's not about me. We don't have those faculties. When we're young, we're growing up because it serves to be self-referencing because we have a lot of schemas to learn early on in life about what's happening. So it serves us to make it about ourselves. But what happens is that those programs lay dormant may become like the software of a computer that's never updated. Think of it like, you know how many times iPhones update themselves, iOS, blah, blah, every single time it's a little bit more like the update it takes a little bit more

space. Well, eventually, if you have an iPhone that hasn't been, you haven't bought a new one in a while, you're not even having enough space on the iPhone, right? Say we're like at iPhone. phone 15, for example, and you're still at iPhone 4. I don't even know if there was an iPhone 4, but you won't have enough space. You're not going to have any space, any capacity to even receive the upgrade. So the emotions that we don't feel, i.e. the stuckness, the trauma in our body, it overwhelms us and we don't have capacity. We become emotionally unavailable. And what happens is that that's very destructive in relationships. We hold these belief wounds about ourselves, right? So you can call those limiting beliefs. You can call them insecurities, really,

their survival programs. And then we hold the same in reference to other people, right? They're going to leave me if I'm honest. They'll think my emotions are overwhelming. That type of belief wound at the level of the subconscious informs our actions. So we don't speak up. We don't share our needs. We probably aren't very proactive with our boundaries because we're afraid.

If I'm afraid that I'm too much, well, consciously, I'm not going to tell them how I feel. I'm not going to tell them my boundaries. And then what happens is that something occurs where we get into an argument. And then afterwards, I'm responding, I'm reacting very strongly. I might feel very angry. How dare you step over my boundaries? How dare you do this? There's lots of conviction there.

There's something wrong with anger, but it's the expression of it in that space where if the needs and boundaries are expressed proactively, there's no need for those mechanisms that are destructive. That makes lots of sense. And I think it also, guess, goes deeper when you talk about lacking confidence, the stories we tell ourselves, how to change our beliefs, and understanding that the current beliefs that we have are a byproduct of our past experiences, even if it's to the extremes of it has a traumatic event or maybe it wasn't traumatic. But all the stories that we are telling ourselves are a byproduct of what has happened to us in the past and our brain almost being stuck, like you say, in those stories. And so how can people, A, start being aware of it, but start maybe process some of their traumatic event? Yeah. Well, first, I would say probably don't try to process traumatic events alone. Get a practitioner to do that. It doesn't have to be me.

But definitely do that in the space of a practitioner. And ideally, someone who understands nervous system, because that is the foundational mechanism within your being that becomes disrupted from holding trauma in your body. I said earlier, the nervous system is constantly seeking information and its purpose is to say, am I safe or my not safe? And what tells the nervous system, if you're safe or not safe, is, are my needs met? Or are my needs not met? For evolution, for love and connection, all that stuff. So what happens is that we have these personality traits, personality needs. And what these are essentially what we learned is the most adaptive to get our needs met and what we learned is not. What happens is that we will begin to enact that very strongly.

And so a lot of the times when I'm with people and we're working to support them in processing, it starts with a nervous system. It starts with creating safety. And that's a very body focused approach, actually. There are techniques that speak the language of the nervous system, for example. And a lot of those have to do with the face. Like the social engagement system is our facial structure. And there's a lot of movements that you can make with your ears, with your eyes, with your jaw,

with your forehead and your occipital bone behind your head that create this felt sense of safety that then over time allows you to have capacity to process. Because what we don't want to do is open the dam and not have a plan for where this flow is going to go. because the definition of trauma was stuckness because it was too much too soon. We don't want to recreate that stuckness by opening every single jar of trauma that is in the body. And when you talk about those processes that create safety, are you talking about some of the processes you shared like the reptilian gaze, for example, being able to change your breathing? Are those the processes you referring to? Yes. So those are the nervous system techniques that can be very helpful.

the reptilian gaze kind of orienting to your space, orienting to your body, finding a positive and neutral space on your body, what feels positive and neutral? Because what happens is when you're holding, when you're in a traumatized embodiment, your cue for danger is so heightened that you completely discard all cues of safety because you were trained over a long period time to do that. We have this area of our brain that's called the reticular activating system and it is responsible for the filtration of the subconscious and the conscious mind. So whatever you're holding at the level of the subconscious, which if you're holding a lot of trauma is belief wounds, it is thoughts, beliefs, emotional wounds, and behaviors

to get those needs met, which are probably on the surface, very inappropriate. I put, what are these called, air quotes for those just listening because it's never actually inappropriate. You know, I've never sat with somebody and not understood why they're doing what they're doing. it's very easy to understand when we humanize the process. But what happens is that all of that gunk, if you will, creates the reticular activating system. If you want another analogy, kind of like the glasses that you're wearing to see the world, that's the lens through which you're seeing the world becomes very muddy, very muddy,

because you're constantly seeing every experience, especially those that are ambiguous, through the lens of the wounding and through the lens of the grief, the processing that hasn't been completed through the lens of your fears. And so when we want to process, we do create safety through nervous system techniques, but we also have to create an inner environment that is safe for the self. And that often starts with noticing where the toxic shame voice is coming in. A lot of people call us the inner critic. I like to call it the green goblin as well. It can also be an outer critic where some people actually just, project that, right? They're not so much harsh with themselves, but they're very, very harsh with other

people. This is a byproduct of holding trauma in your body. And so it's not only nervous system techniques in a very literal sense of practical steps and tools that can bring in that safety, but it's also, what is the predominant voice in your own head? Is it toxic shame driving the bus? What is the reasoning and the intentionality behind the actions that you take, whether that's self-referenced or engaging with someone else or the world. For example, there's a big difference between I'm going to the gym to lose some weight because I know I feel better at a lower level. Or maybe the opposite is true.

I'm going to eat more food because I feel a little bit better at a higher weight versus I'm going to the gym because I'm not good enough and I'm ugly. And I need to be perfect. I need to be prettier. I need to be more handsome. I need six-pack abs. That is toxic shame. And that is always going to create unsafe in your body.

because the standpoint, the emotional and somatic flavoring, somatic meaning body, is I'm not okay right now as I am. I don't accept myself. I need to fix and change myself. You will never reach a destination where you feel complete because wherever you go, there you are. So the safety isn't just embodied learning how to create agency to create that felt sense of safety through techniques and tools and orienting, but what's happening in the mind. Who's driving the bus? Who is the voice? that gets the final agreement and say that says, yes, this is true about me, this is true about other people, this is true about the world. That is so important and often overlooked in the journey of being a safe enough space for yourself and an advocate for yourself to be able to even

process the deeper emotions. And it's just saying that I'm thinking about myself when I started working out. And my initial intentions were, I wouldn't say, the most healthy. Because it was, I need to get a sick back, I need to gain this much weight. I need to. have this kind of a body. So that was personally I just shared. And so I'm thinking about that because now, yes, it is shifted. But I guess at that time, my thought process was use whatever you can with it, the shame, the guilt, the anger to be able to get the results that you want so long as you're expressing

it in a way that is how. But what I'm hearing is that it's important to still reflect on that and determining, okay, where is that voice coming? Because if that process doesn't take place, then maybe it might be an ongoing thing that you might get to your goal, but you'll still maybe have another goal. It will still not feel good,

not feel safe within yourself, even though your external environment has changed. Is that an accurate life? Absolutely. Absolutely. The bar will always be raised, and the bar is always raised from this point of, like, I'm not enough, or I'm not defective,

or I'm not wanted, I'm not desired, all of these different belief wounds, if they're the fuel through which you're making a change in your life, personally, relationally, or environmentally, you will burn out because that is an adrenalineized. I'm not safe as me. So you're using adrenaline to actually go forward instead of wholeness and centeredness and grounded in your being and going, you know what? There is a positive association with this change I'm making and I'm taking it from the purview that I'm already whole. There's nothing I need to change about myself, I'm already accepted. Something I used to tell myself all the time was, if I'm good enough then, I'm good enough now. Love there. One of the things I've heard you say is

a lot of us are familiar with the fight-to-flight free system. And I believe you take it a little bit further, fight, flight, freeze, and fawn. Fawn, yeah. Yeah, which is something that a lot of people may not be familiar. Could you kind of give us, I guess, like an introductory for some of us just learnt about fun how all those relate. Yes, I love this question. It's so important because this is another layer of safety is understanding your nervous system. Now, we all have a nervous system,

and your nervous system is 500 million years old. This is why I bring so much respect, like as my focus, my niche, right, is doing complex trauma recovery, which inherent in that, your nervous system's going wonky. But in the story of your existence, it's actually doing what it's meant to do, which is why it's so important

to humanize your process of where you are. but your nervous system is 500 million years old. And so your conscious mind is certainly not that old. I can tell you that for sure. So the inner war that you feel between my will is a certain way, my experiences another, is normal. That is normal. That is not something to pathologize about yourself. That is normal.

So what happens is that your nervous system, you can kind of think of it like a tree with if you've seen a picture of a tree with a bunch of roots. That's essentially what your nervous system literally. identical looks like. It's really freaky. I encourage everybody look it up. The tree being your head and the roots are the nerves through your body. What happens is that your nervous system is continuously scanning your inner environment. It's scanning your thoughts, scanning your emotions, scanning your beliefs, it's scanning your subconscious programming. It's scanning the associations of safety or unsafety. What are the associations that I have both positive and negative

for my needs being met in the past? And it is going to relay that information to your mind and the constant flow is happening. Now, this is happening below our level of awareness, right, or else you'd just be exhausted all day, every day doing all this. So it serves for us not to be aware, right? And there's nothing wrong with not being aware. And then becoming aware. That's a natural progression of how we evolve as humans, truly. But with the nervous system, 20% of the information goes from your brain downwards to your organs and your extremities. 80% is actually going from your organs, your extremities, up to your brain. This is why if you've experienced complex trauma, you're existing in a traumatized body. Talk therapy doesn't usually cut it because you only have

20% influence over shifting and transforming versus using your body to show your mind that you're safe. You have 80% of an influence there. And so when we pair all of these things together, what happens is that your nervous system is also reading cues of relational tone of voice, shifts, and mood, how people approach you, the patterns that they have historically with you and whether those switch up and the environment that you're in. So it's constantly relaying to itself. When you have trauma that's not processed in the body, your amygdala, part of your brain called the amygdala, is responsible for threat detection. And it's essentially the equivalent to the conversation mainstream where we say, ah, that's a red flag. That's a red flag with that person. Oh, that's a red flag for

them. That's a green flag. Your amygdala houses the red flags. And so, So below the level of your awareness again, will tell your nervous system, hey, this is a flag, whether it's a cue, a tone of voice, the weather that day, the build of someone who is familiar to the experience that was traumatizing for you, all of the sensory cues and extra sensory cues can be relevant to that triggering. So that's where it's housed. And when that is housed, when the amygdala goes, this is a flag, what happens is that your body enters into a state of fight or flight. And when it starts to do that, we first, we start to feel pretty anxious. But what happens is that this happens below the level of our awareness, meaning you will feel the

body sensations and feelings of adrenaline coursing through your being before you're consciously aware that something's triggered you. This is a little trick because people will then make emotional inferences because I feel afraid, I must be afraid. Instead of noticing that actually it serves evolutionarily for you to be activated before you're consciously aware of it because if the tiger's there we got to go we're not engaging in conversation here we're not going to debate or we're out if something's chased me i got to go so it's below the level of conscious awareness what happens is that your body says something's happening we're in danger we need to mobilize our resources so pulling in all of the energy that we have and it's a very torso like visceral organs based

experience. That's why our heart is pounding and we might have to go the bathroom, right? Like, all of this other stuff is just like not important anymore. We need to like get rid of anything that doesn't serve us in this moment, right? You might feel nauseous. You might have to go the bathroom. You might want to just like completely lose touch of everything else that's happening, except for this, this focal point of the threat, kind of think like a horse that is running a race where they have like those blinders. That's what happens is you can only see the red. You only see the red. And so mobilizing our resources looks like fighting or flighting. So fighting, right? But that can also show up mentally, arguing, debating, even with your own ability to note within, I see this in relationships,

you know within that you don't even agree with the point that you're debating. But because that other person feels like a threat, you're continuously doing it. That's because you're in a trauma response of fighting. Fighting, for example, is somebody's talking to us and something triggered us and we're no longer there with the conversation, we're kind of, maybe there's a song playing in our head that we're looping. We're noticing all of the other things. We're thinking about everything else that we want to do. We're not able to really be connected and grounded with that experience. Those are mobilizing resources. When we go into freeze and it kind of goes like this, activation goes up, fight, flight, freeze. We go into freeze. What happens is we're now immobilizing resources.

So in freeze, your nervous system has said, an noted through its nervous system's perception, which is called neuroception, that we can't fight and we can't flight. There's no point. It's not helpful and we're not going to do it. So now the only thing we can do is freeze. This is actually the state of the nervous system that takes up the most energy. Because naturally, I mean, if you're watching the video, you see, I naturally talk a lot with my hands. I'm very expressive like that. But our natural inclination is actually to be in movement and to be in flow, right? So it takes a lot have resources to freeze and not move, right? Like, oh my gosh, hold your breath, right? It takes a lot to brace. And so that happens when the nervous system said, I can't fight, I can't flight.

What informs your nervous system of whether I can fight or flight is lots of things. But if you've experienced childhood trauma, you might have a tendency, like in its unprocessed still in your body, you might have a tendency as an adult to not even go into fight or flight, but go directly into freeze. because your nervous system has been programmed, right? Programming is repetition, emotion, and sensation again, again, again, that fight and flight doesn't do shit. It doesn't do anything, right? Like it does not work. So your nervous system is intelligent and adaptive and says, well, let's forget about those. Let's just bypass going to freeze. Freezing is like, you're doing a presentation, you forget what you were saying completely. You feel exhausted,

constant brain fog. You feel a lot of apathy. You actually do kind of feel numb. You feel numb. You feel dead to the world, you feel like you are in this glass ball and you're just observing everything around you, seeing everybody be connected, be happy, be free, be even sad, right? But you're disconnected from that. You're completely frozen. And these states aren't just in your head. They're literally neurochemical droppings of hormones through your body. So it's a physical experience. You're not making it up. It's actually a nervous system's response. The fawning one is where you people please. So this is where you play dead, right? You just lay down and play dead.

Oh, it's okay. It's raining, but there's a puddle. Okay, I'll lay down so you can walk over me so you don't get wet, right? Because you learned that it's safest to actually just hand over your power to someone else, hand over your authority, and that keeps you connected. That keeps you safe. Fascinating. And when we talk about those fight, light, freeze, and fun, I know.

I know the concept we talk about is functional freeze. Right? So freeze, it sounds like you're not, you're not mobilized, but there's this thing called functional freeze. So how does that tie into that? Absolutely. I love that. So functional freeze is this state where you're frozen, but you're able to negotiate and show up for really basic needs. You might be able to go to work. You can barely pay the bills, right? Maybe it's at the last minute. You are able to go to the grocery store and get. at food, but you're not able to answer your text from your friends. You have no space to really be with yourself. There's a complete lack of self-intimacy. You are distracting yourself at every moment of boredom or every moment there's not something on the to-do list. That could look like scrolling for hours, just seeking the next sensation. It can look like ghosting, everybody you've known for months at a time. It can look like just sitting there and just staring into space and not wanting to be there

your internal world is actually very active, right? You spend a lot of time mentally replaying the wants, the desires, the goals, the aspirations, all of these things that you want internally, but there's no action to line up with that. What happens also in this state is that you have very high highs and very low lows. And these are experienced emotionally. So not only emotionally, but also in the intentionality behind the actions. So you feel as though you either need to be at zero or 100. I either do this, not at all, or I give my absolute best, and I just dial in. So a lot of what I see in mainstream where people say, well, I'm just going to disappear for six months and have a glow up and come back and be a completely changed person, or I'm just

going to completely ignore everybody for X period of time. I'm going to just go all in on this. Is an adrenalized functional free state. They're running from something. What they're running from is themselves, is the trauma that's activated in their body, and they might not even know it. They might not even know it. And so if someone's listening to this and they recognize themselves in the description of functional freeze, what are like some steps that they can start to take to help them maybe free themselves from that state? Yes. That's such a good question.

Noting out loud that you're in a flashback, you are having an emotional flashback. What happens when trauma is triggered in the body is that we become enmeshed with it where you're no longer your adult self. No, this doesn't mean that you've actually regressed, but in consciousness, in your emotional capacity, your ability to be present, your understanding of what age you are disappears. And you become enmeshed with that part of you, the younger part of you. When we experience trauma, those parts become frozen in time and space around you, but also in your body. and when traumas are triggered, which is good, that's actually a blessing and a natural occurrence because the body needs it out. We can't hold that. It's exhausting to hold that. It's very scary to move through that alone, which is why I say definitely do this professional, please. Especially if you have a lot of trauma, you've been very disconnected from your body and your feelings. But what happens is that when we experience emotional flashbacks, we are usually not aware of them, especially if it's early on and you're not familiar with the signs. Some signs can be feeling. feeling like you're really small and helpless, really yearning for someone else to save you, wanting to completely uproot your entire life. I just want to buzz cut my hair and become a

surfer. Some things are just so off brand for your regular self. We can get really shut down. We can feel as though we're so overwhelmed. On the outsider's perspective, it seems like the response that we're having is really outsized for that experience. It's a very strong visceral response, so usually emotionally, right? And that's paired with the defensive fight, flight, freeze, fawn responses. So there's a really strong urgency that shows up as well. And what happens is that to regulate, requires attunement, to notice where you are, right? I'm having a flashback.

And then the next steps are reminding yourself that you're safe. I'm safe here in the present moment, free from the danger of the past, validating that the feelings and sensations you're experiencing are real. You're not making this up, right? You didn't wheel yourself into this state. You didn't do anything wrong. The feelings and sensations are real and they're real from the past. They are unprocessed, activated, opened, and they're from the past.

So when we do this piece, it's really, really important because it separates our enmeshment between 2025 and however, whatever year it was, when something happened to you. So the best way to do this is actually to admit to yourself. And this can be difficult if you were someone who experienced the defense mechanism of invalidating as an adaptive response. There's no morality and shaming to this. These are very natural and normal responses. But what happens is that we can remind ourselves and humanize ourselves and validate ourselves, say yes, this did happen. Right. Like this feeling, that experience, they did leave me. but specifically ensuring when you're doing that, that the language that you're using is past. You're not saying they left me right now. You're saying they did leave me back then because this allows

us to begin to negotiate with our psyche that is stuck in an ancient past. It comes back online when it realizes, oh, shit, yeah, there's separation between this feeling and that time and where I am right now. The next piece for this is to remind yourself that flashbacks pass, right? When we're in these moments where we're activated, we're in that traumatic embodiment, we feel like we will never get out of it. It feels like an endless cycle. It feels like a looping. It feels like we're helpless. It feels like we'll always be broken. I'll never be able to do anything. So to remind yourself, I remember that flashbacks will pass as they have many times before. It's very, very important. If you can, you can bring up in your memory a time where you felt the same way.

And you thought it would never change, but then you woke up the next day and had coffee, right? You went into the sun and you felt the heat, something that allows your subconscious to see it. Because the subconscious doesn't speak in language like this, but through emotion and sensation. So we can utilize visualization through memory of evidence to bring our system back online. The next step that we want to do is to remind ourselves that we are an adult with allies, skills, and resources to protect us and support us that we never had when we were younger or you never had when you were whatever age it is. Again, using visualization, using memory, telling yourself things like, I have a car and I pay my car bill. I went to the dentist two months ago.

I chose to live in this apartment. I pay the bill, right? Things that you can only do as your grown self. This actually shows that younger part of you that's activated and terrified and re-experiencing that stuck emotion, just looping, continuing. hey, I've got you. There's another presence here, which is your adult self, to give that younger self what they need. But we do these steps to tease out the enmeshment. The next step is actually to come into the body. So this is where nervous system techniques can come in, like the reptilian gaze where you're actually looking side to side. You're actually opening your eyes as if you're a deer caught in headlights and looking all around the room. You're turning your neck. So don't strain

yourself but you're turning around and you're looking up and down. And both sides, you're really allowing your body to show your mind that there's no threat. That allows you to then create the space to grieve and through that process. But what happens and it's really important is that, like I said in the beginning, the reason why noticing toxic shame and having a game plan that is proactive to defend the self against the toxic shame is so important is because when we get triggered and we have these younger parts of us that are coming back into our conscious awareness, right? They weren't not a part of us. They're just in the subconscious waiting for a trigger.

They're just hoping for a trigger, right, to come back into integration with you. What happens is that we need to be able to meet these parts of us, these younger parts of us, in the absence of toxic shame. The last thing they need is to be re-traumatized where we fear, dislike, suppress, repress, abandon them, terrorize them, or judge them. Because that just creates it again. So that's why the inner voice is so important. And I always say there's three flavorings that are really good for that, which is unconditional love.

If that's not applicable to you, that's fine. Radical acceptance is also available. Or my favorite is just the curiosity of a scientist. So we remove that harshness to be able to give these younger parts of us when these emotional flashbacks happen what they need. And we can't begin that conversation with them if we're really bringing them the same energy that led them to be traumatized and stuck inside of us to begin. with, then nobody's happy. And we'll get more dysregulated, feel more unsafe and more isolated, right? We just perpetuate that cycle of trauma. And so another piece that's really important here that I

definitely want to share with you guys is that when you have trauma that's triggered in your body and that younger part comes forward, they come with a story, right, that something happened to you and they're showing that story in belief wounds and limiting beliefs and emotional wounds in the flavoring of what you feel in those moments. And oftentimes this is very powerful and very strong. Of course it is because it had to be too much. That's why it was repressed. So yeah, it's normal to be overwhelmed. Now it's not normal to get completely flooded where you absolutely completely lose your adult self. This is why it's really important for have a trained professional to be able to guide you back into your adult self when you get lost or just to really practice

the reps of doing this when the house is not on fire, right? Don't learn the fire extinguisher when the house is on fire. You want to learn it when it's not on fire. So practicing the skills what I just shared, like noting that, taking note of the steps that I just gave you and practicing those in real time for little bite-sized emotions can really support long term. But when these younger parts come up, they're not only showing you limiting beliefs and wounding, they're showing you what they need. What creates so much pain for us is holding belief wounds. So moving through our life with these subconscious beliefs that I'm not likeable, I'm too loud, I'm too weird. all of you think that's very painful, yeah, to hold, but also not having your needs meant.

So when these younger parts come up, they're showing you the belief wounds, the emotional wounds, and what they need. And it's your responsibility as the adult self to give them what they need. Doesn't always mean that's by the self, but it can be advocated. And if what they needed was someone else from way back then to give them something, you'd give that to them through visualization. You allow to create that literally in the story what you wanted. This is the reprogramming piece. What you wanted. What that younger part wanted.

You give them it in visualization. And you continue to ask that part, what do you need? What do you need? And it'll show you if you're tender with yourself, if you're patient, if you ask your innermost self, it'll show you. It'll come up. And then you keep doing that until you feel completed, which oftentimes I find feels like boredom.

You're kind of like, okay, I'm over this. Like, I'm ready for the next thing. is that sign of like bodily completion. And can you give like maybe just for people that are thinking about that idea that you spoke about giving yourself what you mean, giving your younger self what they need? Can you provide another example for that? So our listeners know how to implement that process because I think that's a very powerful process for them to identify it and give themselves what they need.

Absolutely. So being able to understand your needs is a three-part process. You need to be able to discover them and then embrace them and then actually actively fulfill them. So there's a ton of different theories for what are your needs, right? And one that really resonates with me and that I utilize with my clients is the six basic needs. So growth, which is the desire to grow or expand in any area of your life, contribution, that desire to give or serve significance, wanting to feel recognized, important, or meaningful. uncertainty, right? People kind of miss this one sometimes. The need for uncertainty, right? We want to go on vacation, right? We're over it. We want, you know, to switch it up. The need for change,

novelty and exploration, that's uncertainty. Love and connection. So feeling and expressing love or closeness. And then certainty, feeling safe, insecure. And your personality needs are the ways that you learned to get those needs met. So they are character traits, right? If I'm funny, I fill my bucket of love and connection. Or another one could be because it can be positively associated or negatively associated. If I share my vulnerabilities with a partner, they run away from me. So in order to meet the need of love and connection, I silence myself. So they can go either way.

It's not just in a positive association or negative association, but a really great way to notice what your needs are. is these these questions I'm going to say. So what are the patterns behind where you think about the most? I think about traveling a lot. Yeah. So uncertainty. New experiences. Yeah, I can see that certainty in some context might be the lower of the needs for sure.

Like uncertainty, spontaneity. Like I really, yeah, I love that. Absolutely. And you can ask yourself, like, what patterns? exist within what you spend your free time doing? This, for example, podcast, teaching is a big thing. Actually, that's, yeah, career-wise, that's basically it. Is it career for you or does it provide you a connection? I think it provides connection and there's contribution to that because all the information aims at helping people strengthen. Their mind will gain different perspectives about themselves so that they can

be more self-empowered. So I think there's a big contribution component as well. Absolutely. And then what are the patterns behind how you spend your money? Come back to traveling. Yeah. Again, I'm sorry. He's a really high one for you. Yeah. Where do you consistently show up effectively without the need for pressure or encouragement? What comes naturally to you? I think it goes back to teaching, coaching, public speaking.

those are pretty easy and I do those if I wasn't getting paid. Nice to get paid, but I'll do those. I wasn't getting paid too. But yes, thank you. I love that. So again, that's that contribution piece and probably some love and connection as well there. But we'll notice that there's six,

but you're patterning a couple the most, right? So there's personality needs for you. The personality structure is kind of like doing this, right? That's how you interview people, you network. That's kind of the personality part is that you are communicating like that. But there are needs that are more relevant for you. We can also tell with what triggers you about the world or other people the most. Yeah, I think when people make decisions that negatively affect other people,

so if a person is in a position where they can make a difference and then they choose not to, then that definitely gets my blood boiling, not to make. make it political, but I'll just leave that in the head there. Yeah, absolutely. And that is, that's that emotional connection, social connection piece is there too, right? Like, what needs are existing behind that trigger, right? That are important to you and that are being violated. I think the need for connection and maybe wanting to see that being reflected more in the

world than the way it currently is. Absolutely. That's definitely not hard to understand. I'm going on that one. Yeah, absolutely. What patterns exist within what makes you discuss most with others or what makes you come alive in conversations? Like, what are you naturally passionate about?

I think I enjoy learning. I'm pretty open to finding different sources of information, no matter how unconventional. There might be. The idea is I'm curious to be like, okay, this might be coming from maybe a source that people might not necessarily automatically be open to. But I'm curious enough, like, I want to see what they have to say

so that I can integrate that information into my current world and hopefully expand it in some. Yeah. So growth and expanded. That's the key word there, expanded, right? That's the whole purpose is expanding there. We can figure out, no, go ahead. No, I was going to say, like, I love that, that there are six main human needs.

And then so for anyone listening and being like, okay, what are some of those needs that I might be seeking, their ability to be aware of them and then maybe it sounds like knowing their top two or three can help them actually identify what those needs might be. Yeah. So what we do with these questions is that the most important thing is noticing what your personality needs are. So there's those six basic needs. You can think of those like big puddles of, not puddles, but big lakes. Your personality needs are these. streams and these are your identity, right? I am a fun person. I am a kind. I am open. I am curious. I am free. Those are how you learn to meet those basic needs, but it's most important to actually know your personality needs. Because when our personality needs are not met, we feel unfulfilled. We feel apathy. We feel disconnected. We hurt. We feel. We feel. We feel. We feel. We feel. in pain, right? And there's a difference between pain and suffering, right? Pain is not getting your needs met. It's usually like a five out of ten like it sucks. It's really uncomfortable. But the

suffering is where it becomes sticky. And the suffering is in the story. Right. So we don't need to suffer. We have full autonomy over the suffering because we have full autonomy over the mindset, right? The perspective that we're choosing, that main voice that we're agreeing with that says, yeah, I agree with this. This is a belief. But pain is inevitable in life. And and not only from loss, but from not getting your needs met, it is extremely, extremely painful. So you can ask yourself these questions to discover what your personality needs are. And most of them, right, are below the level of conscious awareness. So it's why the questions are geared towards what is already happening.

What is naturally happening? Not what do you want? Because there's a difference between, ooh, I need freedom. I need flexibility. But you're not actually prioritizing that through your day at all. That's an indication that that is not the most important needs. Because what happens is that what people think is self-sabotage isn't actually self-abotage. It's actually your subconscious needs are more important than your conscious needs.

Your subconscious will always win. The conscious mind, because it's only 3 to 5%, it cannot outwill the subconscious programming. So if I want to have a loving and open relationship consciously, but subconsciously I have a ton of belief patterns and wounds associated with vulnerability is dangerous. You can bet that you are not going to be vulnerable. You might be vulnerable for a couple days, but you're always going to revert back because you have a higher need actually for certainty. I need certainty and trust that this person is really going to be able to hold me in that space. So when you have subconscious needs that are in, think of them like buckets, when you have subconscious buckets that are less

full than the conscious desire, they will always win. And that's not a personal failing. That's actually how we're designed. Amazing. That idea about self-sabotage, when you're talking about how it's a reflection of our needs that we might not be aware, wanting to be met is, I think, I've never heard that before. Oh, really? I love that. Yeah, so amazing. One of the things that I know in terms of building a resilient mind and getting mental strength is really knowing yourself and knowing which strategies will help you to be able to get to where you want to get to. And a very popular strategy today is meditation. But I know that meditation in the morning is highly recommended. A lot of people talk about it. What's your perspective on it based on what you have talked about so far?

Yeah. So within the lens of trauma, meditation is not something that I would actually recommend for people. if you don't already have a good grasp on your emotional regulation, so the emotional flashback management skills that I went through, if you don't know how to unmess yourself with a certain level of skill and predictability that you can trust your own inner system to lead you, then getting into sitting down, meditating, that form of meditation, because there's many forms of meditation.

It doesn't have to be sat, eyes closed, can actually be not supportive. of one, if you're in a functional freeze state, it'll keep you down because meditation lowers our energy. It doesn't make you less pleasant. There's a difference between energy and pleasantness can bring up the pleasantness that you feel, but it does calm your energy down. So when you're in functional freeze or you're frozen, we actually want to rev up our system

because your nervous system is telling you there's too much threat. We can't be on. Well, we want to bring ourselves on a little bit. So we actually want to bring in movement. We want to bring in maybe the meditation is barefoot walking outside. It depends where you live, but I like that. Barefoot walking outside and being very intentional with what does it feel like the soul of my feet every single time I touch? What part of my foot lifts up, like feeling the intricacies of that. Mindfulness also, right? It doesn't just mean sitting there in meditation. The reason why we don't want to do that if we're having a lot of flashbacks is because, You can bet your ass if you sit down quietly and you still your mind, lots of things are going to come up. So if you don't know how to approach and support yourself in a safe way for when things come up, it's not the best thing that you can do. An active meditation is better. Meditation is a form of mindfulness. And mindfulness really just means being mindful of something, right? Like being fully engulfed in something. So you can be fully engulfed in a shower, right?

sensation input is more helpful to reconnect with your senses because remember I said the nervous system, 80% of the highway goes from your organs and your extremities to your mind to tell yourself that you're safe versus meditation is more of that mind down into the body. Well, if you feel so afraid because you're in a traumatic embodiment, the information highway kind of gets cut off at the head and we begin to really have a lot of psychological defenses. right? Those are the fight, flight, flight, freeze fawn responses, over intellectualizing, where we're not feeling our feelings, we're just thinking about them, we're just speaking about them in circles, or we could even compartmentalize a lot where we have all of these different parts of us that don't really interact with each other and cause a lot of confusion and exhaustion between procrastination, for example, or wanting something and doing the opposite. A lot of that can happen. But it happens because we're not in our body. and the mind, the head in general, right? If we're only up here, there's not a lot of surface area there. So feeling emotions in the mind is very overwhelming. Again, that's not a defectiveness of you.

It's just that your mind is truly so small. Your brain in your head is so small in comparison to your whole body. So when we can, like taking it back to the beginning, expand, expand that emotional response through our body. it allows us to metabolize it and it allows us to complete the adrenaline cycle and actually feel safer in our body. And I do that through a little three-step process if you want to know about it. I would love to. Okay. So of course this is the simplified version of that. But the three-step process is awareness of activation, meaning of motion is being activated here. It's triggered. I'm experiencing it. Somatic describing of the sensations. And I like to give a couple prompts of that. A somatic description of sensations is anything from not necessarily, oh, I feel sad, but it's what does the sadness feel like

in your body? How does it manifest in your body? So what are the cues that tell you that you're sad? For me, it's usually like my eyes, right? My eyes start to get watery. I might feel like my chest wants to go forward. I kind of want to hide a little bit. I might feel like the middle of my torso kind of drops like my sight dropped a little bit. I'm not disappointed. Those are somatic flavor. rings, but I take it a step further. And what I do is that I give a couple different prompts. You either describe for me what your emotion is being felt like through your body as if you are the director of a movie. So you're using all of the sensory cues and you're getting really deep and visceral into it. So it's not, oh, my stomach drops. But it's, what would that be like if it was a fucking motion picture?

Right. Like, what would that be like for me, if I feel sad, it's like I might see myself really walking all alone on this path and I'm feeling really defeated. My shoulders are bent down and feels like this weight is just like pulling me down into the earth. So there's such a difference between I feel sad and my stomach drop versus like the deep sensory experience of what that is like. And then also another way that I can prompt that is if you were explaining what you're feeling visually to a blind person, how would you explain it? That kind of cues us to be a little bit more descriptive than usual, right? You might pick up textures or shadows or the comparison of objects to one another versus if somebody we know they can see, we're not really going into that layer of

details. We're like, do you see that plan versus like that plant kind of has like pink on the outsides and it's leaning forward, right? It's more descriptive. What this does is that it supports the metabolization of the emotion through your body. This is very similar to you eat food and you know your stomach and your organs. They metabolize it. They shift that energy from the food. into metabolic energy that you can use. So emotions are energy and motion. They're the same thing. But when we've experienced trauma for an extended period of time

where we don't know how to emotionally regulate because it was modeled, taught, or shown to us, or told to us, we stop that because we get afraid of it. We're scared of the sensations because they can be very overwhelming and anything unknown is flagged as danger to our brain. And so we will seek to get our needs met, not the best way, but the quickest way possible. The quickest way to feel safer is if you don't have that literacy of emotional regulation is to not feel at all.

It's to start thinking about it. So we come up in the head so we're not feeling it because we push away naturally what we don't know because it's ambiguous and it's threatening. Ambiguity is threatening, especially to those who are living in a traumatized body. But the verbal description of the experience inside of the feelings allows for the part of your brain called the prefrontal cortex to come back online. this is the part of your brain that allows you to be anchored in time and space as an adult. When we have defensive pathways activated to our limbic system, the amygdala and hippocampus are really firing up, and we don't have this ability to recognize that we're an adult, right? This is the scientific mechanism behind feeling enmeshed with the younger parts. Well, when we can use language, we're using the way that I cue it, we're using both the

conscious with the words, but we're also using the subconscious language because we're doing it in sensation and visual and imagery. That allows for it to actually be connected to. Now, your conscious and your subconscious are talking to each other in the languages that they both understand. And that opens the capacity for that energy, for the emotion that's stored in your body to start moving. That's what expanding means.

It's like starting to morph into something else. And you'll notice when you do that, you'll usually have a activation of your parasympathetic nervous system because to attune to the self is that process brings safety. So you'll have a deepening of your breath. You might yawn. You might feel like you just want to stretch randomly. You might feel like you are ready to like just gulp, right?

Or a sigh. Those are all indications that your parasympathetic nervous system is being activated and you are feeling safer. The third piece of the emotional processing, one awareness and feeling something. You don't have to get it on 100%, but I'm feeling something. Somatically describing that, going through the motion in the body, way. The third piece is to participate authentically with the physical urge. So what does your physical body want to do? Again, this isn't really in language, but it's in body language. I have this desire,

this urge to push everything away, to scream. I have this desire to run away. I have this desire to curl in a ball. These are your nervous system responses. The trauma happened and you froze and you didn't complete the cycle. So that gets stored in your body. So not only with the younger parts as it stored, beliefs, wounds, emotional wounds, unmet needs, but the adrenalized nervous system response, it was stuck. At some point in the cycle, they might have been at Fawn, people pleasing, might have been at fight, flight, or freeze. But what happens when that pattern, that thread gets activated in your body, you're going to re-experience it kind of where you left off. Think a bit like a movie. You paused it. You're going to play it at the same spot. So what we want to do is

actually to participate with it. Why? Because it allows our body. We're showing our mind with our body. Hey, I'm taking an action for safety because that's the whole purpose of triggers is that you take a fucking action for safety. And it's really important to not pathologize and not bring in morals, not bring in judgment to whatever the authentic urge is. Because oftentimes, if it's a really younger part, it could be something really weird. You could want to like make a really weird face. It's the process of participating with that is what will bring the completion of safety. And what does life with process trauma or emotional blocks look like? So you've worked with many clients.

Once you've gone through the process and applied all these amazing strategies that you shared, what is what does life look like at the end of the tunnel in the manner of speaking? Yeah. So at the result. Yeah, the result of like. Inner peace. There's no inner war. There's no really polarized parts of you. A remembrance of your wholeness. So you're not negotiating and debating or trying to convince or gaslight yourself to saying, I'm okay, I'm fine, I've got this, I can do this.

You actually believe it, not at the level of a concept that it's possible, but as a embodied experience. So there's such a big difference between knowing something and actually feeling it and being embodied in it. And you kind of know that you've embodied something when you start to go, of course, it starts to feel weird. Like, this is how you know you've reprogramed something, is it starts to feel weird to even entertain what you thought before. It's like, no, of course, that's not true. So it solidifies into your being. We have a deeper layer of integration. We have more emotional capacity.

We have more emotional availability. We feel safer in the unknown. We feel safer in conflict. we feel like we can actually spend most of our time focused on what we want and the actions align with that. When we do the reprogramming or subconscious and our conscious are aligned, it's really easy to live life because our needs are met. We know ourselves. We're advocating for ourselves and we know how to regulate when things go a or are. Other things, relationships, right, they get easier. We feel safer. We express ourselves more. We're able to be vulnerable.

we're able to be with the discomfort of being vulnerable. It doesn't mean that we always feel good. No, we actually stop pathologizing our human emotions. So we start to see sadness, anger, bitterness, jealousy as beautiful messengers of self-reference. Instead of something to push away, something to fear, something to fix, something to grind against, we actually welcome what life is teaching us, our experience. We start to really have that growth mindset where things aren't just happening to us, but they're happening through us and for us,

and we're more open to understanding what a silver lining might be or how we can gain from this experience. Those become our natural response. We feel more pleasure. We feel better orgasms. We're more aware of what we want. We feel less shame around it. We have more capacity to protect the self.

We are quicker to not believe thoughts that are demeaning of the self. We are more authentic. There's so many, so many different things that come. It's this wholeness felt in the different layers of us, both the body, the emotions, the mental space, where it doesn't feel so clunky. It kind of feels like we are flowing a bit more, right? They say get in that flow state, right?

That's what happens. That we have more space to be in that flow state, to have an emotion, to ride it through, to participate with it, and to not have our whole day derailed or a week, we're really able to have that self-mastery. That comes with doing the deeper work of renegotiating what's true about ourselves, other people in our life and taking action to make that happen.

I love that. If there's one message you could share with the world, what would it be? Oh, my goodness. One message. There's nothing wrong with you. There's nothing wrong with you. If you're in a complex trauma embodiment or traumatized embodiment, it's because your prefrontal cortex is so strong.

The reason why we get stuck and we don't actually naturally process that adrenaline is because we have what is called metacognition, which is our ability to think about our thinking, our ability to perceive ourselves outside of self. And so when we feel a certain way, we have that really strong emotional response, the brain goes, that's too much. This is hard for me. And we stop it.

If you see animals in the wild, what do they do after shocking or traumatic or unexpected experience? they naturally shake. They're naturally getting that energy out of their body, that adrenaline out of their body. And it creates a lot of disruption to stop that natural process. This is why I say, don't bring in what's appropriate or inappropriate to your healing process. This is just you and you. This is what you need. Oftentimes it can look weird, right? Like we're shaking, we're feeling, we're feeling it, we're letting it through, we're participating with it in an embodied sense. There's only one other mammal that can actually get PTSD and it's elephants because they too have a very strong prefrontal cortex. So there's nothing wrong with you that you get stuck.

It's actually a marker of a highly intelligent person because damn, do you know how to think? Right. And so you get yourself stuck in these spirals, but it's not because you're defective or you need medication and I'm not for medication. I'm for dealing with the root cause. And if you need medication to stabilize yourself, that's awesome. and I love that, but it's not because you're missing something or you have a mental illness or anything like that. It's just understanding how the nervous system works, how the body naturally protects itself amidst chaos and working with that energy instead of against it. For people that want to learn more about you, hear more from you, where can they find you? Well, they can find me across all socials, so whether that's Facebook, I think Instagram, TikTok at the Danielle Bird, so at T-Niard.

so at T-H-E-D-A-N-I-E-L-E-B-I-R-D or on YouTube as well. And you can also find me on my website, which is d'Nealbara.com. And yeah, I'll definitely share a link for work with me, free consult. If that's something that you are interested for, we can definitely dive in and see what's possible for you. In that area, I do individual sessions. I have coaching containers where you have me in your back pocket. So you really get that exclusivity and closeness. So I can really coach you through stuff.

I work with individuals. I work with couples. And I also have a little group space if that's something that you are looking for as well. So there's many different options. It just depends on what you are looking for. What is the best support for you? Just know that if you resonate with all of the things that we talked about, that you are not broken and you are not helpless.

And there is a very clear way through this. That is amazing. Thank you a lot, Daniel. That was fantastic, informative. inspiring. And for those of you that want to learn more about Danielle, we'll put the links in the show notes so you'll be able to access any of those resources. Thank you, Danielle. Really appreciate having. Yes, thank you all for being here. And thanks for listening.

And thank you, Simba, for everything that you do. You're amazing. And the work that you are doing is absolutely profoundly life-changing. So thank you. Thank you for tuning in. Continue strengthening your mind by listening to our other episodes.