The Resilient Mind - Why Most Self-Help Doesn’t Work and What Actually Does - Trevor Blake

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Watch the full video interview on the new Resilient Mind YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/TL_WVb7iQ9UWhat if the popular mantra "fail to succeed" is wrong? What if success isn't a number, but a feeli...ng of total freedom and independence?In this episode, we're joined by Trevor Blake, a physicist and serial entrepreneur who has built and sold five companies for over $600 million. Trevor challenges the conventional wisdom about success, including the teachings of Napoleon Hill's "Think and Grow Rich," and offers a new paradigm based on science, mindset, and a profound life lesson from his mother.Growing up poor, Trevor's perspective was forever shaped when his mother was given six months to live and defied her prognosis for over a decade, teaching him the ultimate lesson in resilience. He shares how this spirit of "never giving up" combined with a scientific approach of "figure it out, do it" has allowed him to build seven successful companies without a single failure.Join us to learn how to redefine success, find independence before the money follows, and build a life of true freedom and balance.----------Connect With Trevor BlakeWebsite: https://www.trevorgblake.com----------Take action and strengthen your mind with The Resilient Mind Journal. Get your free digital copy today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/Download_JournalProud member of 1% for the Planet — building resilient minds and a resilient planet  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Resilient Mind Podcast. In this episode, you will be listening to why most self-help doesn't work and what actually does with Trevor Blake. This episode is also available in video. Watch it on YouTube by clicking the link in the show notes. Enjoy. Everything's possible. If you just believe, just go for it.
Starting point is 00:00:20 For me, success is having fun, living life free, the freedom of life. It's not the number, it's the independence. Find the independence, the number will follow. of a play, who's a successful entrepreneur with multiple exits, totaling over 600 million, probably a billion dollars now. Who's here to be shared with us, his perspective, his mindset, to be able to have that entrepreneurship spirit, be able to develop maybe even financial resilience. I don't believe in having to try and fail and try and fail and try and fail. I believe in using science to figure it out, do it, figure it out, do it, figure it out, do it. One of the books that I've read
Starting point is 00:01:00 that has been very influential. It's the book by Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich. I don't think I've met anybody who's read Think and Grow Rich and actually changed her life. Napoleon Hill started and failed at 25 companies. I don't think you're expecting me to say this. I can see in your eyes. Some of the people hearing are probably having the same reaction I'm having. No!
Starting point is 00:01:26 Today I am super excited to be joined by Trevor Blake, who is a successful entrepreneur with multiple. exits, I believe four exits now, totaling over six, five exits, wow, five exits, totaling over 600 million, probably a billion dollars now. Who's here to be shared with us, his perspective, his mindset that has allowed him to gain a wealth, not only of knowledge, but of success in business and how we might learn to be able to develop not only a resilient mind, but to be able to have that entrepreneurship spirit, be able to develop maybe even financial resilience.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Because in today's economy, of course, we know with the turmoil that's happening, getting this perspective, knowing what worked, what might not work, is going to be very important. So Trevor, I am super excited to have you with us today. Thank you, Simba. I appreciate it so much. I apologize to your audience. I'm so dressed up. It's a formal night here, what I am, and I was required to dress up to go out, and I just got back. So I don't normally wear a bow tie.
Starting point is 00:02:33 I'm a much more casual guy. But anyway, so I apologize. Maybe I fit the role right now. I don't know. Maybe I do. Well, for the audience, we'll assume it was, you know, just for us. So we feel a little bit of business. I can honestly be honest and tell everybody, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:02:53 I know who I am. But it is nice to dress up. It's really nice to dress up. I like it. And Jess, my wife got dressed. She looks phenomenal. And she's gone out because she wanted to give me time and space here. So she's gone out in this amazing gown.
Starting point is 00:03:07 So it's beautiful. It's lovely to live life in a different way, in a high way. So it's really nice because I grew up really poor. So there's no way that I would dress like this when I was a kid. But now I can dress up like this as an adult and behave like a kid. That sounds amazing. And so let's get started there. Tell us a little bit about how you grew up.
Starting point is 00:03:30 I'm aware that one of the events that happened in your past around, like, your perspective that shapes how you see the world was also the story of your mother. So tell us a little bit about your background and how you grew up and rather shaped you to be the successful individual you are right now. Well, the thing is people judge success, right? And they say success means something. I don't think of life that way. For me, success is having fun.
Starting point is 00:03:58 living life free, the freedom of life. Let me put this down. So the freedom of life is for me what it's all about. Everything I've achieved in my life is down to my mom. She was this incredible human being who was given six months to live when I was only seven years old. And I saw her talk to her version of God because she believed in her version of God. and I saw her look at the window and talk to God and say, I'll decide when I die, not you.
Starting point is 00:04:31 And she did. So she lived my whole life. And so I was 21, I think, when she died. And that was incredible. So I got to see that. I got to experience it. And so when I've been in business or corporate world or doing whatever I do in life, and I hit a wall and I say, oh, God, I don't know how to cope.
Starting point is 00:04:58 I remember that. And I remember that spirit. And I think, oh, what would my mom do? And she would say, I won't give up. And so I won't give up. And that's been my like lighthouse my whole life. And I'm very lucky, very, very lucky. So my mom introduced me to my first wife, who died in 2020.
Starting point is 00:05:20 We've been together 38 years. and you know it's life life and death and then my wife told me before she died that you're going to meet someone 15 months from now totally a different psyche and you're going to have a whole new life and i did and we're married again so i'm three years married so i was 38 years married now 15 months alone and three years married and i think that's very special and i don't think many people in this world get to have that experience and i feel very very very very blessed and that's what I want to share. I want to tell people that everything's possible if you just believe you. Just go for it. Everything's possible. And I love the lesson that you
Starting point is 00:06:03 talked about in terms of your mom teaching you never to give up. Because I think that's one of the things that a lot of us struggle with in which when you're going through life, we tend to maybe face a failure, face a difficulty, and then we end up giving up. And so in your experience and maybe like some of the companies, because now five exits, how is that shaped, how you have applied it in your companies, where these only the five companies that you started, or had you started some companies prior that were not successful, and you're able to push through to be able to get to those exits?
Starting point is 00:06:40 That is a really great question, a deep question. No, so I think a lot of people teach that you have to fail in order to succeed. I don't believe in that at all. I don't believe that one. I'm a physicist. I'm a scientist. So I use science in order to do what I do. So I have had seven companies.
Starting point is 00:06:59 I have sold five. I have two left. And on this journey that I'm on right now, I just sold one of the two. So I have one left coming up. So I don't believe in having to try and fail and try and fail and try and fail. I believe in using science to figure it out, do it, figure it out, do it, figure it out, do it. And that's what we, that's kind of what I do. So people's understanding of success, I think, is a little bit mistaken sometimes
Starting point is 00:07:33 because people think of success as a number or an A or a, you know, a station somewhere to get to. And I don't think that way. I think success for me is freedom. So to be independent. And so through all of those building the companies and selling other companies, the companies have made a huge impact in people's lives. I have been honored and it has been an absolute honor. I have not achieved any of it. I haven't made it happen.
Starting point is 00:08:03 I haven't succeeded. I haven't been on the rung of a ladder or anything like that. I have been lucky enough, very blessed for someone to come to me and say, this needs fixing. and Trevor, you're smart, right? I am quite smart. I'm a physicist. Trevor, you're smart. Fix it.
Starting point is 00:08:22 I say, really? Okay, I'll fix it. And so I fixed it. And in fixing it, it's a beautiful thing. It's just a beautiful thing. And at the end of fixing something and making a difference in people's lives, I come out of it thinking my mom would be proud. My mom would be really proud.
Starting point is 00:08:41 My mom would say, well done. Well done. Good for you. Don't get too big. Don't get too big for your britches. You know, keep your feet on the ground, but well done. And I think that's for me the most important thing is that we fix stuff and we remember our roots. And we remember who taught us all the things that can make it happen, which in my case,
Starting point is 00:09:04 you know, from three simple steps and trebidjeeblake.com is, you know, my mom's teaching, basically. And that's all I have to offer to anybody is like, don't follow me, don't listen to me. listen to my mom. That is beautiful. And do you think that one of the potential barriers to quote and quote success is that people have defined it differently or their definition of success is not something that might actually align with their life. Hence, maybe they may not be motivated to go for it or maybe once even they've accomplished it, they still feel like something is missing. Yeah, so I call it success with balance, right? So for me, and I used to feel that way and I was that way. So I used to think success was getting somewhere, like achieving something and buying a BMW or something. I used to
Starting point is 00:09:58 think that that would be, that would be me, that would be me, made it and all the rest of it. And then I suddenly realized that actually it's not that it's kind of a freedom. It's the ability to do what you want, when you want in any way you want. And it doesn't take a lot of money to do that. So So I get a lot of emails and people saying, okay, I want financial independence. What's the number? And I say, it's not the number. It's the independence. Find the independence.
Starting point is 00:10:25 The number will follow. And so for me, it's a, it's a totally different concept. Like it's, so I try to flip it with the transformation experience and Trebek, I try to show that if you find the independence first, and the independence means, okay, What do you want for you? If there are no impediments, no one can restrict anything, no one can say no. There are no impediments. What do you want for you? And then what does it take to make that happen?
Starting point is 00:10:56 And typically people would say, well, it's actually not that much money. I thought I wanted to be a billion there, but actually a few hundred thousand would be fine. And so it makes life a little bit more, it's a little easier to attain. And I find I find looking at it from that perspective, like, okay, what does it? independence mean for me gives a new sense of freedom. So I've done both of those things. And I've had the 13,000 square foot house with the five-car garage and the Aston Martins and the Austin Martins and I've done all that stupid toy stuff that we do as we grow. And I've also done the opposite thing, which is give everything away. And I find that somewhere in the middle is the answer
Starting point is 00:11:38 in that what do I want to do for me? What's my thing? And it's, it's different for everybody because people have kids, people have grandkids, people have dogs, whatever it may be. I had an animal sanctuary. These things hold you down, hold you in a space. So you find a place where you say, okay, I'm free now. And this is my sense of freedom, whatever that means. And then you set a budget on that. And the budget is not that big today for us, for all of us. Like a million is nothing, 10 million is nothing, 30 million is nothing. So you might say, okay, I need, you. You $1.5 million to make this amazing life happen. That's not a lot of money. It's easy to get. And that's what I'm trying to teach. And I love that because one of the books that I've read that has been very
Starting point is 00:12:26 influential are for myself and I know for a lot of people is the book by Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich. And there's a lot of ideas that are in that book about how to be successful, how to change your thinking so you can build a life of riches. And one of the tools they have is to be very specific about the amount that you want and what you're willing to do to get it. But your perspective sounds a little bit more comprehensive. First think about the life that you want, then figure out that amount of money that's required to meet that lifestyle that you want. Is that an accurate assessment? It's an accurate statement. I'm glad you brought that up, Zimbabre. Think and Grow Rich and Napoleon Hill.
Starting point is 00:13:14 isn't what people think it was. So Think and Grow Rich was originally called in order to get the noodle, in order to get the booed'll use your noodle. And so you know this, this is why you brought it up, right? Yeah. You've read three simple steps.
Starting point is 00:13:29 So my book, Three Simple Steps, takes Napoleon Hill's book, Think and Grow Rich and tears it apart on purpose because I want to show people that that's not how life works. And I can prove that's not how life works because I grew with nothing and here I am. Napoleon Hill grew with nothing and died with nothing. He died poor.
Starting point is 00:13:50 And a lot of people don't realize that. And so his rights got bought out and then he went and sold 70 million copies or whatever. But I don't think I've met anybody who's read Think and Grow Rich and actually changed their lives. I honestly, I've never met anybody because there's no tools and techniques. So Napoleon Hill started and failed at 25 companies. I don't think you're expecting me to say this. I can see in your eyes. But he started and failed at 25 companies.
Starting point is 00:14:20 His son called him a Charlotton. His wife, his Russian wife, and he wrote a book called How to Find Your Soulmate and Keep Your Soulmate, and it got published on the day they got divorced. I arrest my case, Your Honor. So I know why you brought this up, and I appreciate it. And you're smart, man. You're very smart.
Starting point is 00:14:47 So probably the most successful self-help book of all time is the least helpful to anybody who wouldn't self-help to help them move from quicksand to whatever they want. And that's why I got into this in the first place. So I read it. I am a scientist, so I investigate how and why do things work, and I found out that here's a charlatan, died on his deathbed,
Starting point is 00:15:13 what was his name, Walter, whatever, bought the rights back and then set of Nightingale Conans, and then they made a fortune out of it, but out of what? Out of this guy's sad life, that's self-help, and that's what we all deal in. That's what we deal on a daily basis,
Starting point is 00:15:29 self-help and personal development, life coaches, and we find out that most of them, most, have never achieved any success, in their lives. But we'll tell you how to be successful. What I'm trying to do is say, this is what success looks like, right? So this is fun. This is my life. This is my journey. This is my adventure through. And right now I'm heading from Copenhagen to Helsinki. This is, this is what success feels like. And I want to show what it feels like. So unless you, unless you feel it, you don't experience it. And so thinking growing rich was probably,
Starting point is 00:16:06 the worst, and I'm sorry to say this, and if I fend you and if I've broken your system or whatever, think and grow rich was probably the most snake oil that ever existed in self-hope. And if you read three simple steps, which is my book, New York Times bestselling book, I take it apart piece by piece for good reasons and the good reasons are bad. It wasn't all bad and it wasn't all snake oil, but it was a misunderstanding. So his misunderstanding, so Napoleon Hill's misunderstanding was with Carnegie. So he didn't actually meet Carnegie in person ever. But the book is based upon meeting Carnegie.
Starting point is 00:16:54 And it never happened. He never met him in person. But what he did was he looked at Carnegie and he said, okay, Carnegie deals in the world in this particular way. It's vertical integration. So he does his company in first registration. And so he said that you have a mastermind and he got it wrong. What Carnegie did was he took CEOs of companies, distributor, manufacturer, manufacturer, a regulatory guy, a marketer, and he took CEOs and put CEOs together.
Starting point is 00:17:23 That's a very different, very different concept than is included in Think and Grow Rich. So Think and Grow Rich is my least favorite self-help. book and I love to destroy it in three simple steps, which I do. I think you know this. I think you've brought this up on purpose and I thank you for doing it. It's very controversial because most people will read Think and Grow Rich and they'll say, I sold 70 million. It's got to be. It's got to make sense. But no one's life has changed as a result of thinking grow rich. Nobody's. Not one person in the world has ever changed a life as a result of that book. not one. And I will stand by that. I'll go to court. I will go to the Supreme Court and defend that
Starting point is 00:18:10 because it just hasn't happened. So I will say, as a kid, I grew up really poor, really, really poor. Poor than most people understand what poor means. And I read biography after biography after biography, and I figured out that there's a way to work. There's a way to work in the world. There's a way to behave. there's a way, there's an attitude. And so I just followed what Madam C.J. Walker did, what Henry Ford did. I just said, okay, if it worked for them, it's going to work for me. And that's what I did. And none of that is in think and grow rich, none of it.
Starting point is 00:18:46 And I know some of the people hearing are probably having the same reaction I'm having. No, because I've read that book and I've read it consistently for a while. And I'd like to say I've gotten some success. but what I love about what you're saying is we want to challenge our assumptions. We want to constantly be thinking differently and questioning the things that we believe so we can continue to grow. And I know your perspective in terms of sharing your view on thinking and grow rich and talking about the process that you use to actually be able to learn some of the principles of
Starting point is 00:19:24 success were a little bit different from what was covered in that book. So the thing is about, I think of Goroa Rich was from the late, so it's like 1890 or something. It was a different world back then, right? So it was a very Christian world and it was written in a Christian sense. And so it worked for a certain particular audience and they loved it. It didn't change anybody's life, of course, because there's no tools and techniques. But they loved it because it was a feel-good rhetoric for where they were in that time and life. but it doesn't work today.
Starting point is 00:20:00 It doesn't work today. I mean, we live in a world of TV and podcasts. It doesn't work today. It's not who we are and what we do. We live in a world of crypto. It doesn't work anymore. And it never worked then. And this guy failed at 25 companies.
Starting point is 00:20:17 25. He failed at every single one. How is that a demonstration of success? I have to throw that up and say, can somebody tell me why that book is so valuable because the guy failed 25 times? And my father failed 25 times. I don't think it has any merit whatsoever. And if this offends you and your audience, I apologize, but I challenge everybody to say,
Starting point is 00:20:48 rethink, rethink, rethink. Love that. And so you're talking about your background as a physicist using science to actually figure out what works. And so I know you've got your book, two books. You've got two books. The first one that is very popular, three simple steps, talking about the three steps individuals should follow for them to be successful. Can you let us know what those steps are and how they differ from Napoleon Hill's Think and Growwich? Because I think, again, it's popular, it's well known, it's a benchmark. So for people to be able to start making that connection and differentiating some of the things that were in that book and some of the things that are in your current book.
Starting point is 00:21:34 So the first thing is mentality control. So I learned as a young kid that I had allowed the world to tell me who I am and that I'm supposed to behave a certain way. And it wasn't working, right? I was getting bullied and I wasn't doing well at school. And so I read all these biographies and I thought, okay, so all these people, they thought differently to me. And they had mentality control. So they were able to control. So they would have thoughts like I had, like, I'm no good, weak, ugly, I have no clothes.
Starting point is 00:22:12 And then reframe that and say, I am a human being. I'm special. I'm a powerful person. And they would do that. And they would do it in front of a mirror or do it in some other way. there would, like Henry Ford sat on his father's chair, his old farmhouse, and just sit there and think, like, I can do this, I can do this. And so I learned to do that.
Starting point is 00:22:33 And as a kid, getting bullied, being hated for where I was living and who I was. My sister who was older than me by 18 months, my brother who is younger than me by 18 months, and I typically would walk down to the bottom of the village, get a bus, we get bullied on the bus. When I'm talking about bullying, I'm talking about getting stripped naked and written on by pens, right? I'm not talking about called names. I'm talking about series. And so, well, we had to do it. This is how we get to school. Or we walk five miles in the rain. And so we would go down there and I suddenly read these books. Oh, didn't suddenly, but I read these books. And I realized I can think differently. And so my brother and sister would walk down the road,
Starting point is 00:23:20 down the lane to go to the bus, and I would go across the field amongst the cows, and all that stuff that's in the field with cows. And I would think differently, and I would say, I can do this, I can do this, I can do this, I can be this person. When I was at school, when I was 16, the school counselor said, Trevor, it's your turn to come, we're going to talk about your life. This is what you're going to be. This is who you are. And I sat in this tiny room as like a closet with this woman who was very beautiful, by the way, she's really gorgeous, but I'm just like a kid. And she said, Trevor, I've got this great job for you. And she handed me an application form. And it was for an apprentice manager at a chicken packing factory up the road, up the town,
Starting point is 00:24:07 next town, next town along, Denby. We lived in Rithin. This was Denby. And so this is how she saw me. an apprentice manager at a chicken packing factory. And I was so mad. I got up. I cursed at her and she didn't deserve that, but I was so angry. And I walked out. And I went home. I told my parents what happened.
Starting point is 00:24:31 They said, well, it's not a bad offer. It's pretty good. It's a job, right? My dad was unemployed my whole life and my mom was down to cancer. So they thought, it's not bad. And I said, no, I'm going to be an officer in the Royal Navy. because at the same time there was a TV show on and it showed these young officers in the Royal Navy
Starting point is 00:24:49 and he thought, that would be so cool. It would be so cool to do that. And they said, no, you can't. No, it's impossible. No one from here does stuff like that. Well, I made it, right? So I went down. I had interviews.
Starting point is 00:25:04 My mom took me to the recruiting office and said, give him an application or I'll kill you. He said, no, people from your background don't go there. She said, give them an application. Filled in the application, I got invited down for interviews. I got through the interviews, and they ended up as an officer in the Royal Navy, looking a bit like this, actually. And to go from where I was to there is huge.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Probably the biggest shift I've ever had in my whole life. And that's what's possible when you just follow the three simple steps. You control your mentality. You reframe your thoughts. you start to use your intuition. So you start to feel stuff instead of thinking stuff. So you don't go brain forward. In Transmator speaks, now decades on, I've got more sophisticated tools and techniques.
Starting point is 00:25:57 So today I call it the torso one. So instead of being brain forward and trying to analyze everything, we use the full thing. So we use the brain. We use the heart. We use the solar plexus. We call it a torso one. It's like a saber. It's like a personal saber that we use in the world.
Starting point is 00:26:12 And it works beautifully. And that's what I learned to do when I was a kid. And now I can teach you as an adult. And that's an honor, an absolute honor to be able to do that. So then that's what happened. So I became an officer in the Royal Navy. And then eventually you had a corporate career and then eventually became an entrepreneur. And all through that time was the most important thing.
Starting point is 00:26:35 I was married for 38 years, 38 years to the most amazing woman. She died in 2020. I didn't think it was possible to fall in love again. But then I decided that being alone was shit. So I went and decided I'm going to set another intention, which I teach in the transformation experience. So my new intention is I don't remember alone anymore. I want to marry someone else.
Starting point is 00:26:58 I want to find someone who's going to inspire me. I'm now three years married to Jessica, who is inspiring me to learn. So I've learned to dance. I'm learning cartoons. I'm laying to illustrate. and learn to draw, doing all these new things at my age. And this is all possible because of what I learned reading biographies as a child.
Starting point is 00:27:19 And that's it. And that's where I'm trying to teach. I don't get any money from this. I don't make any profit. I don't need the money. I'm just trying to explain to people that it's not over. It's not determined. You're not dancing like a puppet.
Starting point is 00:27:34 You can take control if you just figure out the stuff. Well, you don't have to figure it out. I figured it out for you. So read the book, do the course, take control of your life. And that's pretty much it. And that's why we're talking, because you know that, because you've investigated it. Because you're a very good journalist. And then I knew this when I first met you.
Starting point is 00:27:53 So that's why I agreed to do this. So it's possible for everybody to say, when I was five, I had figured it out. I knew. I knew I had talent. I knew I could be an astronaut. I knew I could be a ninja, whatever it was, right? And then you get to 55 and you think, it's all over. No, it's not.
Starting point is 00:28:16 It's never too late. That's what I want to try and teach everybody. Like, just go for it, go for it. Anyway. I love what you were talking about, that story about your high school counselor. You didn't let her perception of you influence your life. And I think that's one of the biggest struggles a lot of people face, in which the environment sees them in a specific way.
Starting point is 00:28:41 And in some cases, maybe it's because of the color of the skin, maybe it's the woman, maybe it's the gender identity, whatever it is. And because the environment sees them in a specific way, they buy into them and not realize that, no, you have the option to say, this is not me. It might be how you see me, but I'm in control of how my life is going to be. And it sounds like that's what you did. You're kind of like, no, I'm not going to be working in the chicken farm.
Starting point is 00:29:07 I have a goal to be able to do something different for my life. Why do you think people struggle with that? I do think we let people tell us who we are and I don't agree with it and I never have. And maybe I'm a bit arrogant because of that. But my, so my colleagues, right, I played soccer. And so my soccer friends, they left school at 16 and they went to work in construction sites and in restaurants. And there's nothing wrong with any of that. It's just that they all had the potential.
Starting point is 00:29:38 So I had a friend. Well, I wasn't a friend. He became a friend. And he was really smart. And he was working on a farm. He was the son. He was the oldest son on a farm. And his dad hurt his back.
Starting point is 00:29:51 And he had to leave. And he had to go and work on a farm. So I said, do you want any help? And I went to work on the farm with him. And we worked for several summers together, doing the harvest and everything. And he could have gone to any university. He could have had any, he could have done anything. wanted, but he couldn't because of circumstances. And in my situation, my circumstances where the
Starting point is 00:30:12 world said, you've got to go in this direction, but I was free enough to say, no, I can resist, because I didn't have the responsibility. So I resisted because I lived in a run-down house, a run-down farmhouse. So at least I had the freedom to say, no, I'm not going to do that. And my friend didn't have that pretend. And so here's the fun thing. So my friend ended up having to take over the farm, give up his career, give up his life and all the rest of it. We had we hung out. We had a fantastic time together. I joined the Navy, came back, or when I came back every time on leave, I went to work on the farm. I had an affair with one of his sisters and all of the beautiful stuff that's life. and then years go by and we don't keep in touch.
Starting point is 00:31:04 And then I met him two years ago. And he has an OBE, which is an order of the British Empire. He's been given a prize by the royal family for his efforts in politics. Right? His politics is not my thing. But he made his life too. He made it in his own way. And I didn't know that until, you know, two years ago when we finally got back in touch again.
Starting point is 00:31:29 And I just think everything is possible. So for him to go from, so I don't know how to put it. So when we were on the farm, we would do the harvest, do all the stuff you do with animals in our sphere. And we'd be absolutely exhausted. And in order to let the stress out, we'd go and kick a ball. We'd play the thing called football golf. And we would kick a ball against the fence. And that was what we did.
Starting point is 00:31:54 To go from that to him winning an order the British Empire, is massive and far beyond anything I've ever done in my life. And that was my friend. And there was no way I could have predicted that. If I'd said that's going to happen, he'd have laughed his head off. I'd mean, say, it's no way. Not, first of all, I'm not getting in politics. Secondly, that's not going to happen.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Thirdly, I don't like the English. That's not going to happen. Don't like a royal family. That's not going to happen. But he ends up doing it all. And I think that's beautiful. And I think his name is so, you know, so his name is Hugh. H-U-G-E. I don't want to embarrass him, so I want to use him.
Starting point is 00:32:32 So Hugh Evans. Anyway, it's a fantastic story. So he made it in everyone's description of what does the success mean. He made it. But he never set out to make it. He never tried. And he was the last person I thought would ever make it. Because he gave up to take care of the farm.
Starting point is 00:32:51 And in his probably identity for me, I was probably the last person he thought would ever make it. Because I was who I was, you know, I was like a crazy guy. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The main point is that don't let anyone, anyone, teacher, parent, child, don't matter. Don't let anyone tell you what you're capable of. You are capable of what you want and you go do it. And that's it. He just do it.
Starting point is 00:33:19 I think life is, and the most amazing adventure that most people don't actually enjoy. And I want people to enjoy it, and that's why I do this. And for people listening to this, and they're like, okay, I think I'm starting to believe that I can change my life and not be influenced by the conditions in my life. But they are not quite sure what's the first step to take or what they should consider doing first. what would you recommend as a first step to start building that momentum, to start changing their life to the way they wanted to be versus to where they currently are stuck in the moment? Okay, great question. And I think we live in a world where people think there's some kind of perfect path or a perfect way to behave. And there isn't.
Starting point is 00:34:07 And I am as flawed as anybody. I'm as messed up as anybody you'll ever meet, right? But I develop tools and techniques to get over my flaws. That's what the transformation experiences. So that's what three several steps the book is about. It's like if I can do this, anyone can do this. You just overcome this stuff. And so for everybody, I would say, first of all, it's never too late to re-embed yourself.
Starting point is 00:34:28 It's never too late. Secondly, it's really simple. There's very simple things you have to do. But here's the key. Here's the secret. You don't need to become a saint. So when you watch all of these self-help gurus and all these life coaches and that they're giving the impression that they're some kind of hero.
Starting point is 00:34:47 No, we're all messed up and that's okay. There's nothing wrong with me messed up. Jess is an animator and one of her, and she writes her own books. And one of her books, Kevin the Unicorn, the last line in the book is, it was a bad day for Kevin the Unicorn and that's okay. It's okay to be flawed. It's okay to mess up. It's okay to not be perfect.
Starting point is 00:35:13 And we don't need to be. All we need to do is realize that we have some modicum of control over what we do next. So if I see my credit card bill, which I used to because he's had a lot of credit card debt, and I would see my credit card bill and I would go, oh, my God, what have I done? My stomach turns over. I think, oh, no, how am I going to pay this off? It's terrible. What you have to do is just react to that.
Starting point is 00:35:41 So instead of making that become your life, you say, okay, what would life be like when I'm financially independent, when I don't have any credit card debt? And in the transformation experience, the most beautiful part of the transformation experience is that everybody becomes debt free. It's the most important thing. The first thing we work on, the first thing, let's get rid of the debt. Let's get rid of the debt. Because you can't be free when you have debt.
Starting point is 00:36:06 And so, because it's our modern world, like debt is part of our modern world. You can have debt as a businessman or whatever, but you don't want personal debt. So you get rid of the personal debt and then you're free and they say, okay, who am I going to be today? And that's a beautiful thing. So we work on that and when people become debt free, it's the most beautiful thing. It makes me want to cry when people say, debt free, they send me emails. And you know what? When they send the emails, they never send it in lowercase.
Starting point is 00:36:36 It's always in other case. Always. It's like, wow. I'm deaf-free for the first time in my life. And it's just a beautiful thing. And that's the most important thing. So we figure all of that out. And we do it by changing the way we react to our gut reaction.
Starting point is 00:36:56 So we see our credit card statement. We go, oh, my God, no, it's terrible. And then we say, stop. And then we change it. And we say, okay, I'm going to imagine now. And imagine what it will be like when I'm debt. free and I go to the local liquor store, for instance, and I buy a bottle of champagne and I share it with my friends, and I pay cash for it. And so we change it by taking an imagination of the future
Starting point is 00:37:21 and bringing it back to ourselves. And this is science. It's not, it sounds woo-woo, but actually it's science. It's what we do with the, so in science, and everything's energy, and we go into the Higgs field and we go into the future, we go into the past, and that's what we do. So we pull, we pull the past and we pull the future and we bring it to ourselves and we say this this this finally is going to change who i am and change everybody else around us and it's a beautiful thing and i just want everyone to experience this and my frustration is um that the most popular ideologies that are out there don't have the tools and techniques so it feels good it sounds good you think good you feel better about your life, but where's the tools and techniques? So I'm providing tools and takes and say,
Starting point is 00:38:07 do it this way, this will change, that will change, you'll have the most amazing life. Good example, a real example would be, and he doesn't mind me using his name, I don't think. His name is my last name, Blake, but that's his first name. Corporate world, miserable, relationships, terrible, debt up to his eyeballs. He just did a $250 million deal. What else do I have to say? That's amazing. And as you're talking, talking about the process, right? You get that trigger, that response to your credit card bill, you didn't get the job, someone broke up with you, whatever happens in life, because life happens, stopping, kind of becoming aware of that emotional response, stopping it, and then imagining
Starting point is 00:38:53 the ideal scenario so that you can change how you're feeling. And so it reminds me one of the court imagination is more important than knowledge, because I think a lot of, of the time when we want to fix our life and change our life, we're always looking for more information, not leveraging our imagination. And then the second thing is how do, what is the importance of feelings and emotions in being able to create the life that you want? So again, a very deep question and very profound. I thank you for it. First of all, the pause is really important. So what you're saying is like pause, step back. And so, uh, we're, uh, One of the things I recommend for everybody is that you don't try to crack the, you don't try to solve the equation, you don't try to crack the nut, that you work a little bit and then you pull back and you go into nature and you let nature teach, right?
Starting point is 00:39:49 So nature's the biggest teacher. And so that's very, very important to set that schedule upon all the rest of it. There's an importance to allowing life, to put it, so allowing life to fill in the details. Like, you know, just let it, you let life lead. That's so, so, so important. One of the challenges is the way people judge success, right? So they say, okay, so you're not successful unless you have 30 million or 100 million or 200 million. But you can be successful just being happy, right?
Starting point is 00:40:27 You can just be successful having a great relationship. You can be successful just being you, right? You know this better than I do. And I think it's a mind. So it's like changing your mindset from what we're taught as kids, which is like go, go, go and aim for something to being present and being in the moment. And so where I am right now, I'm meeting people. who are very, very, very successful,
Starting point is 00:40:56 beyond my possible understanding of success. They're all very calm people. They're all very present people. And they all spend time in nature. That's the most important thing. So they will sit on the veranda and watch the ocean. They will go for a walk. They don't get on a bus and go off and do amazing experiences like that.
Starting point is 00:41:18 They're just very, very, very present. Actually, I'm actually talking. quietly because they make me feel this present. They make me feel calm. They make me feel quiet. And some of them have said to me, oh, Trava, you know, you and Jess, you're so successful. And then we'll start talking and I'll realize that we're actually compared to them. I'm not. And so we'll calm down and calm down to it. So everyone's very present. That's a really important part of success is to be in the moment, to be present, to not be striving. to not be trying, to not be trying to crack it,
Starting point is 00:41:55 to not be trying to make it happen, but to be present and calm. And so in three simple steps, one of the next steps you took, so we talked about mentality control, one of the next steps is to find this moment, I call it taking quiet time, this moment where we just go quiet
Starting point is 00:42:15 and we stop trying and we just go present for 20 minutes and just do nothing for 20 minutes. It's very beautiful. very calming, very, I mean, I can see in your eyes. Now you say, yeah, I get this. I know this. So that is so, so. I'm not even sure I'm even answering your question,
Starting point is 00:42:35 but when we do these podcasts, stuff comes in to me that has come from nowhere. I don't know. I just say what comes in. So somebody in your audience needs to hear that it's really important to stop trying and just be. present, just be here right now, just be present. I love that. I love that. And asking a little bit just kind of to go a little bit deeper into that 20 minutes of quiet time. Is it 20 minutes you're having your coffee or your tea and you're just looking outside? Is it meditation? Is it
Starting point is 00:43:12 journaling? How does that 20 minutes look like? I think it matters to be a person, but I think everyone has labels and you know, you'll find a coach who says you have to sit on a point. rock and a purple catam for a 20 minutes. And you'll find another one who says do yoga. So Jess does advanced yoga and she does this amazing yoga where sometimes she's on one arm. One arm. She's like lifted up on one arm. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:43:38 But that's her thing. That's her thing. It's not my thing. I can't do that. And I don't want to do that. So I think it's just taking time for you and allowing one's subconscious to communicate with one's conscious. without trying to make it happen, without a rule, without regulations.
Starting point is 00:44:00 And so I call it taking quiet time because when I was a kid, when people talked about meditation, I thought it was a bit weird. I thought it was a bit woo-woo. And so I didn't like it. And then I realized that in all the biographies I read, well, they all take quiet time. Henry Ford would sit on a rocking chair and his old farmhouse. I mean, that's not. CJ Walker, Madam C.J. Walker,
Starting point is 00:44:23 who's my hero, by the way, Madam C.J. Walker, she was sitting in a tree. She was sitting a branch of a tree. And she would sit there for 20 minutes, 30 minutes. Who cares what the time is, right? So she would sit there for a period of time until she built the confidence to come out of the tree and go and face life again. So if no one knows who Madam C.J. Walker is.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Everyone should look into her biography. she was born to slaves, was abused, was brushed, had every possibility of adversary that you can even imagine in a human being, including being female and also, I don't know what the right term, I get it wrong. Black is incorrect. Black is totally okay. Black in a white society, right? So female and black and a white society and born to slaves, not even allowed to own
Starting point is 00:45:12 knife and four because they would consider weapons. not allowed to work because only men could work and they could only work in agriculture. So her life is done. And she was sitting in a tree and she would figure it out. And she became America's first female millionaires. And that is inspiring and stunning to me. And I remember as a kid reading that story and I thought, wow. And I think I'm having a hard time.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Wow. I mean, how amazing is that? But her success came not from what she did and she did amazing stuff. And she went on to do incredible things like as she got into politics and used her success and her money to change politics. But her success came from sitting in a tree doing nothing. And same with Henry Ford. Like, how do I figure this out? I'll sit in this chair and figure it out.
Starting point is 00:46:05 So I always think that taking, so I've always called it taking quiet time because I don't want to make it seem woo-woo or difficult are just saying just sit for 20 minutes you've earned it like we're human beings we've we work so hard and we work so long so what's wrong with having 20 minutes to ourselves what's wrong with that and just sit in a chair for 20 minutes and do nothing what's wrong with that there's nothing so that's my version of meditation is just like do nothing and I've not changed that I've done that so I haven't I haven't over my life I haven't created any fancy versions of taking quiet time or any steps or formulas or algorithms or anything. I still today, I will get up in the morning and I will sit quietly, not necessarily in a chair,
Starting point is 00:46:54 but I'm here right now. I will stay here for 20 minutes and do nothing. And Jess will be sleeping and then she'll get up and she'll sit there and do nothing for 20 minutes. And then we face the day and we create amazing stuff because of that. I don't know. I think life is much simpler than we think it's supposed to be. Absolutely. And I'm just thinking in our society is like, work super hard, go, go, go, go, go. You go online. It's like so much information. It's so noisy and there's so much noise and junk that we put into our brain. And I love what you're saying about quiet time because some of the most creative, and correct me if I'm wrong,
Starting point is 00:47:34 some of the most creative ideas and solutions to a lot of the things that we might be facing can be found if we start practicing that quiet time so that our brain can actually receive that information or create those solutions that we might feel we might not have the capacity to do it, but that quiet time can help prime the brain. Would that be accurate as well? So, I mean, you know, I've had seven companies. Every idea for every company has come while walking amongst trees, not while I'm sitting at a computer. And sometimes the idea, so it actually happened two weeks ago. I just sold the company while I'd been on this adventure.
Starting point is 00:48:15 So like two weeks ago, I just sat quietly and then I turned around to Jess and I said, I'm selling. He said, okay. And she didn't argue and she didn't fight and she didn't say how. And I said, no, I just got this feeling. I have to sell. Just a feeling. It's a feeling.
Starting point is 00:48:29 And it sold the same day, one day. Wow. Not even one day. Like six hours later, two offers, sold, done. And the guy who's bought it, the Italian guy, full of energy, fantastic human being, he's going to take it to the next level. But I just decided, right? They just wake up and you go, okay, I'll take quiet time.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Okay, now it's time to sell. I've done the best I can do. Now it's time to sell this thing. So for me, so the quiet is, is, is, really important, but it's important to schedule it. So with the transformation experience, I talk about the five-hour workday, and it sounds a bit quirky and a bit new age. But what I'm talking about is don't try and work more than two hours at a time. So you work two hours, and then you take two hours off, and you go for a walk, and you touch some trees or whatever
Starting point is 00:49:22 you want to do. And then you work two hours again, and you take two hours off, and then I will work one more hour. And Jess is a different human being to me. So Jess will, she's better working at night. I like to work joy in the morning. So she will do the same thing, but she won't work in the morning. And then in the evening, like where she is now, she'll go off and work for two hours in the evening, take a time out, then go work two hours in the evening, take a time out.
Starting point is 00:49:48 And so I think one of the things is to figure out what type of human being you are, how you're best working, when you're at your most productive, ironically, in contrast to what people are taught. We are at our most creative when our brains are tired. So it's not a bad idea to work and get tired. It's not a bad idea to go for a run or a bicycle ride or something like that and get really tired and then come back and be creative. So our brains are best when we're creative. That's good information.
Starting point is 00:50:19 But also, you know, we're just balancing between the productive work periods and the silent periods, the quiet periods. It's a perfect, I call it success with balance. I think it's a perfect way of working. Love it. And how does intuition come into play? So it's most important thing. I'm very lucky in my life because I got to, you know, hang around my mom, my late wife, and now Jess. And they all had incredible intuition. And I was fascinated by being a scientist, being a physicist. I wanted to know how and why does that work? How did you just know something? I couldn't get it. And they, so I remember with Lynn, she would say, don't work with that.
Starting point is 00:50:59 guy is bad news. He said, well, how'd you know? You never met him? I know him. How do you know? But she was right every single time. It cost me a fortune, every single time. And I would say, how did you know? And she's saying, well, I just know. And I wanted to understand what it's just know about. And so I want to understand it as a scientist. So as a scientist, I figured out that when we allow ourselves to understand that everything's energy and float in what we now know is it's called the Higgs field, right so it's named up the discoverer so we float in the higgs field we can connect with anything in anyone and it gives us this like superpower though we just know so like the other day a couple weeks ago i woke up and i said i'm selling this company and i just know and jess says yeah okay fine she knew too fine good
Starting point is 00:51:52 go do it and so we did it and and it was done and so you just know and so it's getting to that just knowing So intuition is more prevalent, I think, today than it ever was. I think previously, so there was like two energies. So there was a, we have to give labels these energies to understand them. So previously there was a linear energy. It was like clipboard, step by step mentality. We called it masculine. Masculane.
Starting point is 00:52:23 Started in 184. It finished in 2004. 14, I think. And then now it's switched this spiraling energy, which we call feminine. And it's fast. It's like a tornado. It spins, spin, spin. And so we, as an entrepreneur, I've had to completely change the way I behave as an entrepreneur because previously I was very much a supervisor, you know, very much in charge. You know, it's my job. I'm the boss type of thing. And now I trust everybody and I'm a colleague, another boss. And it's so important. to make that change. I think a lot of people haven't made that switch yet, and I see people
Starting point is 00:53:03 failing all the time because they're still behaving like the boss, the supervisor, and you need to behave like the colleague now. You need to trust, understand, be present. So I've changed, I've learned to change my entrepreneurial skills according to the energy. And that's what I'm seeing happening right now. So we're very much aspiring energy, which in the spiraling energy, you're in or you're not. You don't get a second chance. So this is something a lot of people don't understand. So when I say feminine energy, they think, oh, that's nice.
Starting point is 00:53:36 It's so nurturing. No, it's not. It's cruel. It's a cruel energy. They do not stop to pick up their... So back in time before 1284, all the warriors in the world were female and the commanders were female. And so anthropology is a big, a fun topic for me.
Starting point is 00:53:56 So back in time. they didn't stop to pick up their casualties and they did not stop to take prisoners because prisoners use up resources they were nurturers so this is us this is where we are if you die you die if you if you're part of the enemy and you get left behind you get left behind that was it was very much a cold it's a cold-hearted energy and people don't understand that and they actually don't like me talking about it this way i like it because what i'm seeing is all of these businesses now being taken over by female CEOs and they do not take prisoners. And so I'm noticing when I'm on the negotiation table, which previously it would be like an ego
Starting point is 00:54:40 battle, me against a guy and trying to score points and all the rest of it. Now, on the other side, there's a female and she says, do you want it or not? Yeah, I'll take it. Thank you. I'll have it. Yeah. What's the price? Yes, fine. Good. And it's totally. different. The whole world has changed as a result of the spinning of the energy. And I love that. I love talking about it. People aren't ready for it yet. I don't know if your audience is ready to hear this yet. They might not like me saying that it's a cold-hearted energy, but I'm finding it. My business is my style has changed. My businesses have changed. Yeah, it's a whole new world.
Starting point is 00:55:21 And I love the fact that it's a whole new world. I love it. You have to change, right? Everyone has to change. I'm spinning with the energy. Yeah. No, you know this more than I do because I can see it in your eyes. So I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but hopefully me saying it will help your audience hear it from another perspective. Because really today, if you're not in this energy, you're left behind.
Starting point is 00:55:48 As an entrepreneur, you're done. And I'm seeing it all the time. I'm seeing great entrepreneurs spin. like Elon Musk, and it's great entrepreneurs spinning. And I see really good entrepreneurs being left behind because they can't change fast enough. And one of the things that you mentioned is that when your intuition is right, you can go into the, do you call it the eggs? Higgs.
Starting point is 00:56:14 Yeah. So you can kind of go into that. How do you get into that? Or how do you, I guess, connect your intuition so you are able to connect to that or the energy as well? So it's all done by, so we have to, so think of this, think of this in a different way. Okay. So great questions. So everything in the universe is made of energy and that means that everything's made of fermions and boaslands.
Starting point is 00:56:38 They're the two building blocks. There's nothing else. When we think about that, we have to also realize that we're made of fermions and boselers and therefore we're a complete illusion. We don't exist. You don't exist. I don't exist. We've created this.
Starting point is 00:56:54 image of ourselves and this consciousness of ourselves that makes me look like this, unfortunately for the gray hair, but I have it. And you look like that, right? So it's all an illusion. But if we were to put our hands through each other, neither of us would actually exist. So fermions and both sons are just all that is. So this computer, this counter, this chair, this sofa is all an illusion that I have created in order to experience a three-dimensional five-century experience of life.
Starting point is 00:57:27 And that's what I chose. I chose to come here to do that. I chose to come to this life to do them. And I'm very happy about it. I think we miss it. I think when we leave, I think we do miss it. It's very beautiful. It's very physical.
Starting point is 00:57:41 We miss the emotion. We miss the physicality. But it is an illusion. And so when we understand that it's an illusion, it gives us the power. a three-dimensional five-sensory being to have a different experience. So we can say, well, okay, I'm having this physical experience. I'm having this five-centry experience, but I'd actually like to have something more, something different, or less. Doesn't matter. There's no judgment. I would like to have
Starting point is 00:58:11 a slightly different experience. And we do that by then deciding, okay, we know the Higgs field exists, and it connects everything to everything so I can push myself out into the Higgs field. If I have tools and techniques, which we have in the transformation experience. So we use these tools and techniques to push ourselves under the Higgs field and say, I'm going to draw to me a different experience. And it could be anything, right? It could be owning a supercar. It could be being successful in a business.
Starting point is 00:58:41 It could be having a great relationship, whatever it is. But we're going to draw it to ourselves. And the way we do it is by taking our imaginations and pushing it forward and saying, okay, what does the day after feel like? So we'll push forward. So what you get with things like law of attraction is like push forward, imagine success. It's nonsense.
Starting point is 00:59:05 It doesn't work. So you push forward and you say, okay, what's the day after success feels like? What am I doing today? And then you draw that to yourself. And then by drawing the day after to yourself, you draw the thing that created the day after
Starting point is 00:59:20 to yourself. And that's a huge secret. And that's what we teach in transformation experience. It's like push through the Higgs field, go to the day after, like a day in the life of Trevor Blake or the day in life of Simba after he achieves what he wants to. What does that feel like? What are you going to do? And so in three simple steps, I talk about that because I said, okay, I imagined, okay, this is going to happen. When that happens, what am I going to do? And everyone has their own thing, right? Someone might want to fly to the moon. Someone might want a great restaurant meal. Someone might want something else. The day after, for me, I just wanted to spend a whole day in pajamas. That was it for me. It's like when I, when I sell my first company,
Starting point is 01:00:03 I'm going to spend all day in pajamas. And I imagine what that felt like. And then it happened. I got on a plane. The deal was like, like it doesn't look like it's going to happen. But I got on a plane and I didn't have cell phone connection. The plane arrived where I was going. And then I I got text and it said, congratulations, dealer's done. And so I put my pajamas on for 24 hours. That's great. That's what I imagined. That's what I did.
Starting point is 01:00:28 It's fine. It doesn't matter what it is. Do whatever you want with whomever you want. But for me, that was the big deal. So I spent 24 hours in pajamas, went to a five-star Italian restaurant in pajamas and slippers. And I said, that's great. This is what I just, because I can, right? I've worked to make this happen.
Starting point is 01:00:49 It's happened. I'm doing it. And that was it. And no one questioned me. I didn't have, there wasn't a single person said what you're doing in pajamas, not one person. And it was great. So, anyway, so you do your, so that's what you do. So you imagine the day after it happens. So you imagine, okay, this is what I want, whatever it is. I did it with a relationship. So I was in the grieving period for like 18 months after Lynn died. And then I decided being on my own sucked. And so I am mad being with someone. one who inspired me to be a better person today than I was yesterday. And that's what I imagined.
Starting point is 01:01:24 Like, okay, so I was going to hold my hand. I miss holding hands. I really missed holding hands. And I say, I want to hold hands. And I want someone to teach me new stuff. And I want someone to make me feel better today than I did yesterday. And then the next night, I walk into a restaurant and there's Jess. And I walk up and there's Jess.
Starting point is 01:01:41 And then Jessica kind of said, dude, the hell are you? And we sat down and we had dinner. And we, I think we sat down. down about six and they threw us out at three in the morning. And we just talked and we never stopped talking since. And she's taught me all kinds of new stuff. She's taught me to dance, to do swing dancing. She's told me skateboarding, all these kind of things that I would never imagine doing
Starting point is 01:02:03 myself, but I'm doing it because I imagine what it would be like, what would it be like to be that person who's being inspired to do new things? And that's how it works. It's very simple. It takes some practice. be honest with politics. I'm obviously been practicing for a number of decades, but it takes some practice, but the tools and techniques are pure science and they work perfectly. Love it. And I'm just thinking of some of our listeners that might have like an excuse to be like, well, maybe I'm not as young as I used to be. I don't have the education. And they've got all these
Starting point is 01:02:41 reasons why things may not work out and they're hearing your tool. They're like, it can't be that simple. I believe you started your first company at 42. Is that correct? Yeah. And so maybe just I give us a overview of the five companies that you have started and exited. So people can also contextualize these tools that you're using to be like, okay, this is actually what you've been able to accomplish. So age is irrelevant, right? A time is irrelevant. So my first company is still in existence. It's still, you can still search on the internet. It's called Qualmedical, Quality of Life Medical. I sold that for 57 million.
Starting point is 01:03:27 Sorry, 105 million. Second company was R-New, ANU, and I sold that for 300 million. Third company was TLC. We still have, and I'm not allowed to actually say what the price is, but it's undisclosed and it's a multi-level thing. Most of these deals are, you know, you don't get all the money right there. It's like you get this much up front,
Starting point is 01:03:52 and then if this happens, they all have kind of milestones. So our new, neovia, oncology, which I still have, trevorgy blake.com, which I just sold, trevigblake.com, LLC, I just sold on the ship. and I'm not leaving it. I'm fully involved, but I needed a younger marketing presence. I'm too old.
Starting point is 01:04:18 They don't understand digital marketing anymore. So I needed someone who's younger. So I sold it to someone who is a member or was a member of my mastermind who says, oh, I'm going to take this to the next level. So take it. Go, go, go. So all of these things, House of Von Blake. And also I have obviously two books.
Starting point is 01:04:38 and three screenplays, and most people don't know about the screenplays. So I have three screenplays that's hugely successful, and won one, won an Oscar. And all of that wrapped in a package with a bow, a pretty bow, says this guy is successful. By the way people judge success, right? For me, I don't feel I've even started yet. And so when I read a biography like Elon Musk's biography and Jess and I read it together, And we said, what have we been doing? We've been wasting our life. This guy's done so much. So we need to get on. We need to go on. So we are moving on to the next level.
Starting point is 01:05:21 I think the reason you asked the question was that, so I started my first company when I was 42 until a lot of people that seems old. Actually, that's bang on the age. So the average age of a first time entrepreneur is 43. The average age of a first time billionaire. is 63. Everybody has time. In the transformation experience, we have a 13-year-old girl who, I don't know how she found
Starting point is 01:05:48 three simple steps to book. I think it might have been under dumpster or something, but how much she found it? She just wanted to dance, but she was working in a sweatshop. And somehow the book gave her the inspiration to fight her parents and to leave and to go to dance. And now she's the lead ballerina at the Royal Ballet in London.
Starting point is 01:06:11 That's a success, right? Wow. So three years ago, I got an email from a guy who's, and the email started out, which says, Mr. Blake, I hate you. And the reason he hated me was he doesn't like self-hop. And somebody had bought him three simple steps. I don't know why or how or anything. And he said, first of all, I couldn't open the package.
Starting point is 01:06:34 I don't have my, I'm 87 years old. I can't open the package. They said to finally open the package. I realize it's a cell phone book. I'm about to throw it in the trash can. But as something caught my eye, I opened it up. I read about your mother and all rest of it. And he says, so anyway, I'm starting my first company at 87.
Starting point is 01:06:53 And he started his first company. Now he's 93. And I'm close to him, you know, invested in him and all the rest of it. And he has a beautiful company that will keep his family who he's estranged from. happy in his memory for the rest of the days. So he started this great company, he's doing a fantastic thing. We had a beautiful woman called Kersie Riley,
Starting point is 01:07:22 part of our mastermind at trevorgyblake.com, and she arrived with us with no clue. She said, I want to be my own boss, but I don't have an idea. And I said, okay, I can teach you how to have an idea. And we have a little bit tools to how do you find, how do you find what you're going to do? And she did that and she did it really well. She was very disciplined and very dedicated, which is not as common as people think. And she came up with an idea and it was a brilliant idea.
Starting point is 01:07:52 And she set it up. And we funded it through the mastermind. And she just launched a couple of months ago. And it's just beautiful. And it's magic to be part of stuff like that. Like someone went from, I don't even, I want to be my own boss. I'm fed up a working in this world. I want to do my own thing.
Starting point is 01:08:13 I believe in myself. And then, and go from that to then starting an actual company that we all funded as a group. So it wasn't just me. I led the funding, but like the whole mastermind jumped in and, you know, dollars from here, dollars from there, dollars from big. And so she now has this amazing company. and is doing really well. And I'm very proud of that. I think this is the way it's supposed to be.
Starting point is 01:08:40 Like, we're not supposed to just be teaching. We're not supposed to be just lecturing. We're supposed to be leading. And that's what I like to do. I like to lead. And so these are all very proud moments in my life. They're not the only ones. And there's been less successful ones.
Starting point is 01:08:55 There's been even more successful ones. But I think these are really good examples of what can happen when a group of people come together with the right tools and techniques. and understand how to play with energy in a different way. And as you start kind of wrapping things up, can everyone be an entrepreneur? So as people are hearing your story, I think some people are like, oh, he's an entrepreneur, it doesn't apply to me, or that can never be me. Can anyone be an entrepreneur?
Starting point is 01:09:22 Absolutely, everybody. And all you need to be an entrepreneur is to see something that hasn't been fixed and you decide to fix it. I've never met an entrepreneur that set out to be an entrepreneur. I've, oh, successful one. Everyone I've known has said, well, I didn't know this was going to happen. I wanted to fix this and no one else is fixing it. So I fixed it. I, Richard Branson's of the world, Neon-Muchs, they didn't set out to be entrepreneurs.
Starting point is 01:09:50 They just, there was an issue. So Richard Branson is one of my favorite stories because the guy was being led by his private parts, right? So he was in love with a woman. and he was missing the appointment because the flight was cancelled and he says, she's going to leave me. I wanted to marry this woman and she's going to think I've jilted her. And these were days before internet and cell phones and stuff. So he chartered a plane and flew to the island and that became Virgin Atlantic.
Starting point is 01:10:22 He didn't set out to create Virgin Atlantic. He didn't say, I've got this great idea. I've got it written out on the back of my napkin. This is going to be brilliant. He was just trying to solve a problem. And the problem for him was, she's going to leave me. And he got, he ended up marrying her. And then, you know, the plane lands.
Starting point is 01:10:41 And people got off the plane and said, this is a pretty good plane if you just saw out the food. I've got a plane. So that's how Virgin Atlantic starts. I mean, I've never met anybody. And I'm included in that. I've never set out to be an entrepreneur ever. I've just said, this needs fixing.
Starting point is 01:10:58 And I went to my boss three times. the CEO and I said, look, I've got the solution for this. And he said, you're not, no, no, we're not doing it. We don't have the money. And then the second time, I'll take it to the board. I'll talk to the board and see what they think. Right. Came back, no.
Starting point is 01:11:17 And I don't think he did. I think he lied to me. And then the third time I said, we had a big route. And the third time, I said, I'm off. I'm gone. I'm going to do it myself. He said, Trevor, you're not capable. And also, we're not giving you the rights.
Starting point is 01:11:29 And then, I don't know, three months later, they need. did the money. And I started my own company based on all of that. Well, I couldn't plan that. I couldn't say that this was a good idea or that this, you know, that there's a perfect plan for this. It just, I just wanted to fix something that needed to be fixed. And I'm very proud of my, I'm very proud of fixing that, very proud of it. Because children are alive today that wouldn't be alive if I hadn't fixed it. And I'm very proud of that. Not mind saying it. And he thought I was an idiot. Anyway, several years later, I got a text from a guy who said, guess who's sitting opposite me? His name was John Billion. Get them sitting opposite me and it was John Bullion. And he said,
Starting point is 01:12:11 I've just told him what he sold the company for and he's just choked on his sandwich. So it's great, right? So you fix something and it works and you can't. You're good. And the beautiful thing about the world is there's a lot of things that need to be fixed. So opportunities are everywhere. There's no limit. There's no limit. But you don't need to figure it out. There's tools and techniques that can help you figure it out. Being an entrepreneur is not for everybody. But a lot of people are healers and energy intuitives, but don't think of themselves as entrepreneurs. And so because of that, they don't think about the pricing model. They don't think about how to value their time because they feel like they have a divine gift and it's wrong to charge for a divine gift. So we, at Trevorjiblake.com, we work at that too. Like, you know, a divine gift is a divine gift, and you need to earn a proper income from it. So there's business models we can figure out a way to make stuff work.
Starting point is 01:13:11 You know, you won't find it in other places. So it's not that you have to start from scratch and say, I'm going to fix this and that's all there is. You can have a health practice or something or a teaching practice or a life coaching practice, and you can figure out a different business model that reward you according to your skills and contribution to the world. And it shouldn't be diminished just because you think you have a divine gift. That's very important to me, a big part of what I do. Amazing. And where can people find you? So there is your book, two books. The other one,
Starting point is 01:13:46 I believe secrets are to a successful startup. And if people want to learn more about you, access your resources, where can they find you? So, I mean, everything goes to the website, Trevor G. Blake.com. And the website was put together by Jess. And I think it's beautiful. It really represents me and I'm very proud of it because she knows me and therefore put it together in the way it's supposed to be. So Trevor G. Blake.com, you can find everything, the books and everything gets on there. And thank you for asking.
Starting point is 01:14:18 And if there was one message, one final message you could share with every single human being on this planet, what will that be? It's never too late to invent yourself or reinvent yourself. It's never too late. And I think that's the problem for a lot of people is they think, or it's passed me by. No, no. It's never too late to find your five-year-old self again. Beautiful.
Starting point is 01:14:42 Thank you, Trevor Blake. It was such a pleasure talking to you about your story, different perspectives, the tools that you have used, your success. This was a very amazing interview and I'm so grateful to have you here. Thank you, Simba. I really enjoyed it. And fantastic questions. Thank you so much. I hope it's useful to somebody somewhere.
Starting point is 01:15:02 That's it. I just hope. Definitely will be. Thank you for tuning in. Continue strengthening your mind by listening to our other episodes.

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