The Resilient Mind - You've Been Hypnotized Out of the Intelligence You Were Born With - Dr. Lloyd Glauberman

Episode Date: August 20, 2026

Why do we start every health kick with the best intentions, only to watch the old patterns quietly return by week six? Dr. Lloyd Glauberman, a clinical psychologist with over four decades of experience and creator of the Lifestyle Intelligence (LQ) framework, offers a striking reframe: we weren't born lacking the intelligence to be healthy — we've been slowly hypnotized out of it.In this conversation, Lloyd explains how the patterns we absorb from family, culture, and screens override the instincts we had as infants, when we ate when hungry, slept when tired, and moved when our bodies called for it. He shares why lasting change isn't a discipline problem but an intelligence problem, why "appropriate amounts of failure" are essential to transformation, and how paying attention to what our bodies have been telling us all along may be the key to getting it back.At seventy, Lloyd brings something rare: the lived experience of doing it wrong, then doing it right. It's a hopeful reminder that it's never too late, and that you already know more than you think.Connect with Dr. Lloyd Glauberman:🌐 Website: https://lifestyleintelligencelq.com/Take action and strengthen your mind with The Resilient Mind Journal. Get your free digital copy today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/Download_JournalExplore tools from past guests of the podcast. Some links below are affiliate links, meaning we may earn a commission at no extra cost to you:💓 HeartMath: https://www.heartmath.com/resilient🧠 Muse: https://choosemuse.com/resilientmind🌿 Brain Ritual: https://www.brainritual.com/THERESILIENTMIND🌍 The Resilient Mind Podcast is a proud member of 1% for the Planet — building resilient minds and a resilient planet. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What were we born knowing and what happened to that knowledge? We were born with everything we needed to know in order to be healthy. It goes beyond lifestyle when we're talking about hypnosis. We're using hypnosis more generally to talk about things that are happening that are negatively influencing you that you're not aware of. One of the most frustrating things I think around about personal growth is we get all this information. What happens if you don't get enough sleep? Do you think that our ability to sense what's going on in our body and how the foods we are eating the environment we are have been dabbled over the years? Most of us have tried to change something about our lives.

The way we eat, the way we sleep, how we move, how we react. And most of us know how that story ends. We start off strong, we feel inspired. And then somewhere around week three, week six, week 10, the old patterns quietly return. without us even noticing. Why does that keep happening? My guest today has spent over 40 years asking that question, and he developed an answer that may be one of the most important reframes

I've been counted in this space. He argues that we've been thinking about behavior change wrong, that we've been treating it as a discipline problem when it's actually an intelligence problem, and that we already had this intelligence the day we were born. We have just been slowly hypnotized out of it. Dr. Lloyd Globerman is a clinical psychologist who, over four decades of experience, the creator of the lifestyle intelligence or LQ framework,

and the founder of the LQR up, which uses some unique technologies to help people break out of their patterns that are quietly running their life. At 70 years old, he brings something to this conversation very few experts can. They leave the experience of doing it wrong, then doing it right. Lloyd, welcome to the resilient mind. It's a pleasure to be here. Looking forward to talking with you. So in our initial conversation, you said something that I could not stop thinking about. You said that when we were born, sensation was cognition. We ate when we were hungry. We slept when we're tired.

We moved when we needed to move. And there's no such thing as an obese or sleep deprived our baby. What were we born knowing and what happened to that knowledge? That concept has come to me lately. the idea that we were born with everything we needed to know in order to be healthy and to allow ourselves to behave in ways that would facilitate our personal growth. Okay. The whole idea of not having any cognition in no way meant that we didn't have something

that would be our foundation for cognition, which turns out to be. sensation because the mind wasn't, the brain wasn't sophisticated enough, formed enough, so that we would have thoughts. So an infant only has sensation. That's what they're aware of, hence, as you noted before. Sensation was cognition. Okay. So the three most important parts of our lives are eating, sleeping, moving. So you'll have infants letting you know when they're hungry. They cry. You nurse them. Do they overeat? No. When they're full, they stop. When they go about their business of doing what they do during the day, specifically moving around because movement is really important to cognition as we know as we've gotten older. We need to be involved physically in order

for our brains to function optimally. So infants move a lot. And then, of course, when they're tired, They sleep. They don't sit in front of a computer watching digitized programs and losing their minds. Nope, they just sleep. So it's really amazing that what is our foundational intelligence came with the package. There was no learning involved. It's baked into us. What happens? What happens? Well, let's begin with family, right? Family. has their patterns, has the model of reality to how humans should be working together to do what needs to be done to have a successful family, successful life. I mean, I grew up in a family, so I know exactly what happened to my model of reality by virtue of the model that I was introduced

to. My mom, back in those days, most moms were stayed-home moms. There wasn't. The women's revolution didn't start until, I believe, the 1960s. So you had lots of stay-at-home moms. Okay. So what do are moms do? They cook. And they're happy when you eat, right? I remember every day when I would come home from school, it was 3.3.30, my mom said,

would you like something to eat? Now, keep in mind, I had just eaten lunch at 12.30. I'm not hungry. but my mom has that make me feel good, Lloyd, eat something. Okay, open up the refrigerator, take a couple of slices of salami, throw it on a piece of bread. I eat it. We eat dinner three hours later. Am I hungry?

Of course now. Am I going to eat dinner? Of course. Why? Because it's dinner time. That's what you do, right? Now, what I am, I'm sure everybody listening now has a variation on that theme. in families that ate together. And I would imagine that's still probably about 60% of the

families probably still eat dinner together. So what do you do? You sit down and then the way food is portioned on your plate early on, you know what's going to happen. Your mom puts a certain amount of food on the plate. What does that mean? Eat it. Because if you don't eat it, mom gets upset. And I love my mom. She was a wonderful woman. But I was probably 20 to 20 25 pounds heavier than I should have been as I was growing, as an adolescent, right? The reason why it was only that amount was because back in those days, everybody was outside. So if you lived in the suburbs, you were playing outside with kids all, you're playing ball all the time, you were running around. There was movement built into your lifestyle. Hence, you burned a lot of calories. Of course, you're eating a lot of stupid food, but it's somewhat minimized by that.

I understood that later on, with that blindness that so many people encounter in life. Okay? I got married young, 22 years old. A little bit after that, my wife and I moved to California because I was going to be in a master's program at the time. So we moved to Los Angeles. What do you do when you live in Los Angeles? What's the number one thing you do? You drive a car.

That's what you do. You're in a car most of the time. freeway is all over the place, everything is far apart. So if you get to go to school, you've got to get on the freeway to drive. So what happened was I learned invisibly, as I've understood later, how one can get bigger and never have any awareness of it. Because in those days, there was no knowledge of movement, of calories, of any of the sorts of things that are now part of the cultural vernacular.

So, time we know. on, year goes by, I don't notice anything. By the way, I didn't have a scale in the house. Okay? So I had no idea what was going on. Anyway, get a call one day, a friend from New York where I hadn't seen since high school seven years calls and says, hey, Lloyd, I'm here, and let's get together. I invite him over for dinner.

I don't know whether I mentioned this to you when we first talked. But so doorbell rings. I open the door. I smile. First thing out of his mouth. man, did you get fat? I'm serious. Man, did you get fat?

I hadn't said hello yet. I hadn't shaken his hand. And the first thing out of the mouth, it hit me in such a way that I became confused because I didn't know how do you respond to an insult when you're reconvening with a friend that you used to have years ago. All I know is from that moment on,

I was a different person. But think how much I learned, right? I learned, number one, you can gain weight and never notice it, right? Because weight comes on very slowly. So as it comes on and your body starts filling out, even your face, you don't recognize that as anything changing because you're just eating when you're hungry and you're not paying any attention. And I didn't really increase my food, but I decreased my activity.

level without having any idea that was happening because in those days, those concepts didn't exist. There was nothing to reference as to say, how am I going to deal with this model of reality that idea than I have to deal with because now I have to be nobody was going to the gym. There was no running. There was no marathoning. There was nothing having to do with the sorts of things we take for granted today. So I learned early on of the model of reality that hypnotizes people all the time. time, right? But I made it, I made a, the commitment to myself right then and there that I was going to

change, but it didn't have, ironically, I'm in the health business now. It didn't have anything to do with health. This was all about vanity. I was ashamed. And I was, and that, that blew, it blew my mind. To this day, there isn't the day that goes by, I don't think about that moment. That guy doesn't know that that 15 seconds that that transaction I had with him, that he referenced my size, changed my life forever. He wouldn't even remember it. So this is typical of what goes on. So I'm sure everybody who's listening right now, when I talked about family sitting around the table, all of those patterns are unconscious. You learn what your mom wants you to do. And you, you keep doing it without knowing that in all probability, it's not going to be good.

But these are the beliefs. But if you try to change the pattern, oh boy, watch out. Because when I got older and got into the health-related stuff and told my mom, mom, I don't eat that stuff anymore. I don't eat her pot roast. I don't eat her chocolate cake. She got angry. Amazingly so. And my mom, sweetest woman in the world.

But now I had betrayed her because the model of reality that I was now occupying bore no resemblance to what she and I shared when I was a child. I had betrayed her. Strange. And I want to, yeah, because I think you touched on a very significant point and the point about change, about how challenging and how people might respond to it. I do want to just dig a little bit more deeper into your example, because something like your weight, someone may be listening, saying, well, you can kind of physically see it. But now, much more attention.

Now it's cultural. Now, once, what's his name? Halbert Dunn was the guy who came up with the term wellness. He was the first person to think about looking at health, in terms of lifestyle and not health in terms of avoiding disease. That became a transitional moment, but nobody paid much attention to him for the first 20 years until all of a sudden when health and wellness started becoming big time, because finally we noticed certain things having to do with disease also had to do with lifestyle,

like cardio stuff, clogged arteries, right, plaque, bi-pair surgery. When that hit, wellness began to be talked about because now lifestyle became a front page performer in terms of news. But it took a while to get to that point where the model of reality began to change and you could do something about health. You had the ability to avoid disease by, as you were talking about it, as we are all talking about lifestyle changes, focusing in ways that people typically. don't, which is we're really in trouble right now, even though the irony is, we all know this stuff now, you think are getting worse. Think about that. We have more knowledge and information, voluminous amounts of stuff telling us what's good, what's not good, what we should do, what we shouldn't do. Yeah, people are getting bigger. Now, half the country is obese.

Right. And it goes beyond lifestyle when we're talking about hypnosis. Because there are no the point like I just wanted to touch on is there are certain things that we might also have been hypnotized that impact the way we think, the way we feel, and the way we behave. So someone who's like, maybe listening to this thing, okay, maybe I might not be able to relate to that. We are all hypnotized in some ways and some of it we might actually not even be aware of. Most of it, you're not aware of. Your point right now is singularly the most important point that there is, and that is there is a cultural hypnotic thing that goes on and you don't know it. We're using hypnosis more generally to talk about things that are happening that are negatively

influencing you that you're not aware of and that kid getting reinforced, right? Because that's what good hypnosis is, is being suggested things when you don't notice them that then positively impact what you're doing. kind of like embedding suggestions for, you know, you're talking to somebody and you say, I know right now things aren't really that good, but another moment in time, you might find yourself feeling better.

And at that moment, maybe you'll begin to know. You change your tone, you change your voice, you mark out words. Yes, people who are good at that do that even when the word hypnosis is not labeled as the experience going on. But kids sitting around a dining room table, like all of these patterns beginning, that's a hypnotic, it's a family trans state, right?

And you don't perceive it that way. You install it. You use it. And then you wonder why things are not the way you want them to be. But the difficult part is busting out of those states and changing the patterns, making new stuff. Not easy. Not easy to do. Not easy to change sleeping patterns. Not easy to change eating patterns. Not easy to sustain physical activity so that you really get the benefits. And you know what the key is? To be able to do all

that stuff really well? Here's the key. Appropriate amounts of failure have to be sprinkled in. Meaning you do something for a while. Let's say you start a program. You do it for three weeks. and then you don't do it for a week. Getting back on the horse at that moment in time tells you that you have the ability to consistently do these things, even though there will be moments when you're not going to want to do that.

You'll get annoyed. Now, I'm not going to do that right now. Everybody has moments when they simply don't want to do something. Okay, that's fine. It's about most of the time to recognize the patterns that you have and say, this hasn't been that useful.

Let me try something a little bit different. And everybody needs to fail every so often to get that motivation back because when you get it back and you then get it back successfully and you're on track, think how powerful you feel at that moment. Okay, I can now do this. I know that every so often something is going to knock me off course for a little bit, that's fine. Dealing with failure momentarily is essential to success.

because nothing is going to be continuous. It just doesn't work that way. Well, I think that way. I hope everybody's listening carefully to what I'm saying. Oh, did I, oh, I didn't mean to do that like hell. Okay. Next. No hypnosis here.

We wouldn't want that to happen here on your show. People suddenly behaving in ways they've never behaved before. Oh, why? In talking about, like I love that idea about having appropriate failure baked in, one of the most frustrating things I think around about personal growth is we get all this information, but then we do not do the thing that we know about. And so there seems to be a gap between awareness and our behavior. What do you think is happening between that gap? Well, changing a pattern is not easy, right? I mean, the other stuff has provided you with whatever

you need it. Certain kinds of foods, you grew up with them. They're part of the strong. of your life, but you know they're not that healthy. It's important because sensation, when it comes to poor diet, the kinds of things that you need to know, unfortunately, don't show up until something of profound magnitude has occurred, right? Think about it, like coronary artery disease. Have you ever heard anybody say that they know what it feels in terms of sensation when plaque is building up in their arteries. No, I've never heard of it. That's because not a person in the world ever in the history of the planet has ever

experienced that until the entire artery gets clogged up and then you're having a heart attack. That's the first bit of sensory information you ever feel about that kind of thing. And by that time, you're in serious trouble, right? So one of the things that it's important for people to think about, visualize as they're consuming something is what is happening right now. I had one experience that I remember that occurred after I had changed my lifestyle into something much healthier. I had removed the Hagandas ice cream, right? the chocolate cake, all the stuff that I used to love, right? How do you like Hagenas ice cream? You know? Okay. When I stopped in a period of maybe five, six months went by, I decided to have

one of the desserts I used to have. So I ate it. And then, as my body was metabolizing it, I suddenly realized that I was experiencing a very subtle kind of nausea from two of. much sugar. Now, how many times if I had eaten that stuff in the past, literally thousands of times? But because of the frequency and me just getting used to whatever it was that was there, it was like it was invisible, was sensory invisibility, okay? Didn't feel it. But now I said to myself, oh my, if I had only known enough to pay attention to this then, I would have saved myself a lot of wear and tear or in terms of all the excess weight that I had to lose. I mean, my goodness, all the information we need to have, we actually have,

we just need to pay closer attention. And by the way, one of the things that people have to deal with is that if you hang out with friends and everybody's in the same state of consciousness, and let's say they are continually being seduced by the hypnotic state of the culture, and you know what the foods, people eat and all that kind of stuff. And you decide you're going to change. And you put the effort in and you begin to live healthier and have your physical presence and psychological presence changing.

Everybody else you have contact with, who you're still friends with, who haven't done that, they're not going to be happy. And you'll hear things like, listen, you've lost a lot of weight. I'd be careful. I wouldn't lose too much more. I believe me, I know from personal experience, all right? This is what happens.

When you get a bust out of the pattern and nobody else is doing it, you're going to have to hang on tight because no, because everybody knows you're doing the right thing and they ain't. So there's a lot of factors, a lot of variables in the equation when somebody wants to change stuff, right? In my case, the most difficult person was my mom. Because with her, I mean, she didn't even pay any attention to them. She didn't even say anything about me.

having lost a bunch of way. In her mind, I think she consciously observed it. And it almost sounds like this hypnotic state. There's also the culture of trying to keep everyone in that same state. Well, that's the way those states work. And right now, I mean, you've got every food company in the world not wanting people to do any of this stuff. Right. What's being advertised on television consistently?

stuff we all know. We shouldn't be eating. But there it is in front of us. And what are we watching? We're watching a lot of seriously overweight people in these commercials with those, by the way, are visual hypnotic suggestions. It's okay to be this heavy, right? Isn't that what's there? If they're there and they're talking about health and they're talking, that's an unusual thing, right? because the audience, they want an audience, so they reinforce all the stuff that needs to be changed, right? Okay, why? Gee, wouldn't be about money, would it? That couldn't be the case.

Gee, who we think that? But it's amazing. Watch those commercials? My goodness gracious, right? And you make a claim that I want to give it full space. You argue that lifestyle intelligence, LQ, isn't just. one of many intelligences. It's the foundational one, the precursor to emotional intelligence and cognitive intelligence. Why is that? And what's... Well, think about... Thank you. That's a perfect

question. Okay. We want to live with intelligence, right? So going back to the infant, eating, sleeping, moving. That's still us. Those are the three core things. Okay. So what happens if you don't get enough sleep. A bunch of things. Number one is your brain has to work overtime. Hence, it needs more energy. So what does the brain do? It whispers in your ear. You are hungry and you need to eat more food. That's what the brain does. Our brains are brilliant, right? No pun intended here. They can convince you, you're hungry. You eat more calories. And by the way, feeling of hunger when you're sleep deprived feels real. It's not stupid eating. It's you actually are being seduced by your brain to feel legitimate hunger. So you have to eat more. So what does that do

if you're chronically sleep deprived? And by the way, we'll talk about that in terms of adolescent kids in a moment. Okay. So you've got that issue. If you're sleep deprived, you're tired, much less likely to exercise, right? So that gets tossed out. And then as far as our emotional intelligence goes, we've all been sleep deprived and we all got a little bit cranky, a little bit edgy, right? So it made relationships that much more difficult. So what happens is all the emotional intelligence and physical activity that we need is out the window when we're sleep deprived. So hence, sleep. is essential, that's the visceral, the foundational intelligence. Once those things are in place,

it doesn't mean everything's going to go perfectly. It simply means that all of your resources emotionally and intellectually are going to be more available to you. I hope everybody right now, if they don't remember anything else from what I say today, remember these few words. your emotional, your foundational intelligence, right? Your lifestyle strategies based on sleep are essential. You've got to get enough sleep. Most important thing we do. And I think that's a very amazing point because in the world of like self-development,

personal development, you focus on mindset, emotional regulation, cognitive reframes. But you had mentioned that it's like trying to build the second and third floor of the house without addressing the foundation. Oh, I like that. That's nicely set. Yeah, absolutely. That's absolutely. By the way, using this same model,

but putting it in the context of something practical, there are 13 million public high school kids right now in this country. Do you know what time those kids have to be in school? 8 o'clock. 8 o'clock. 9 o'clock, 8 o'clock. Now, think about that. You've got adolescent kids during a growth period in their life because that's those teenage years, early

teenage years, that's when kids are really developing, right? So sleep is that much more important than you need more than you need for at least nine hours. Sometimes kids need 10 hours sleep. What's the probability of kids these days under the conditions that they live that they're going to get that much sleep, knowing that they're probably going to have to get up maybe 6.30 at the latest to get to school by 8 o'clock. Low. Low. Low by a lot. Low. Okay. So what happens to think about this. You've got sophomores, juniors, so you've got kids in school, three years, chronically. Now I'm saying probably, because I don't know with absolute certainty, but most kids at night are sitting in front of some sort of digital gadget

being hypnotized into doing all kinds of stuff, I will be kind, right? Getting involved, getting all jacked up, interacting, and obviously eventually falling asleep, but waking up with an alarm clock and never getting enough sleep. So think about what that means chronologically over time in terms of the development of those kinds of diseases. Think about that. We're going to have kids who are kids right now having to have cardio bypass surgery in their late 30s. That's what's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. 13 million kids sleep deprived. And it sounds like they're like stuck in a cycle, right? So looking at that screen, being consistently hypnotized, you want to go to bed, but you stay up.

And I can't remember there's like a five-minute block before we go to sleep that we talked about. The hypnagogic state. Precisely. I'm glad you brought that up because that's part of where I was headed talking about the app that I have, which is meant to be both informative so that there's concrete learning information so that you get a three-minute segment every day that focuses. on something important. Like a lot of people don't know that when we sleep, the brain cleans itself.

I didn't know that until the year 2017. That's not that long ago. Now, I'm not sure it was around before that, but that's the first time I came across an article. And I must tell you, my body began to vibrate when they said, oh my goodness, the brain cleans itself. The pathways, open up and cerebrospinal fluid pours into the brain and a dishwasher mechanism that the brain goes into to get rid of all the waste products that occur because of all the work the brain has to do to keep us going. Our brains are the most brilliant things in the universe. And when you think that you have to take care of your brain, like you have to take care of your body, that's easier because You can feel your body.

You know what you can do. Your brain is a different story, right? It's in there. We're so used to it. We forget it's incredible. All right. Keeping it clean. It's like, would you let gunk pile up in your car before you change the oil?

No. So with your brain, every night, sleep is the single most important thing it does. In addition to a bunch of other things, storing, re-organizing the information of the day, creating the memories and where to go, all that thing. The cleaning of itself is essential. And think about what it means. If you shortchange yourself on sleep, you don't clean your brain. You know what typical words pop up inside your mind.

Words that you never want to hear. I'll just whisper one of them. Alzheimer's, if you know what I mean. Because that's what happens to a lot of folks when they don't do what needs to be done. This is not an absolute certainty you can avoid it. But damn, if you know this will keep your brain clean and maybe avoid any of those long-term cognitive process diseases, you're ahead of the game. So, there was one other piece that I remember that that's an interesting thing. I never knew this research was being done.

Every time you eat something, whether it's good or it's bad, you either add a little bit of time to your life or you do. retract a little bit of time from your life. And the one thing that stood out for me, because one of the examples that they gave was my favorite food as a kid, hot dogs. I can't look at a hot dog now without getting sick. But as a kid, I was a junkie for eating hot dogs. Now I find out that every hot dog I ate took 35 seconds off of my longevity. Now that might not sound like a lot of time, but when you think about every food that you eat either adds to or de-subtracts from your lifespan, you begin to perceive things in a different kind of way. So if you're eating a lot of junk, what can I tell you? Start thinking about that. Everything we do has an immediate effect

on ourselves, our longevity, our health. What can I tell you? That's why lifestyle management is so important. Yeah. Could you tell us more about that? Because I've never heard about that. I didn't yet. I never heard about it before. This was something I read about a few months ago. And it was, they didn't talk about a whole bunch of different things, but they, but they said that there was obviously the kinds of things that you would imagine wouldn't be good for you, like a heavy piece of chocolate cake kind of stuff. You know sugar and saturated fats, all that kind of stuff. That's, that slowly kills you. But Here it's giving a number to you. So I'm sure there are people right now who are categorizing and figuring out every day

what these things are. But just to think, it's that close. And we never think about something detracting from our longevity when we're 27 years old. You don't think about that. But that's when it all began. I think it begins way before that. But we all feel when we were younger, you live forever, right? The idea of not being is not something that ever shows up in consciousness.

until suddenly you go, oh, now I know whatever he breath, just what's talking about, which pops up at some time in middle age. We suddenly realize how fast our lives, how fast things are and how short our lives actually are, even if we live long. It's not that much time. And I think that's one of the things as we grow older, right, we realize that our body cannot longer absorb what it used to, right? The poor sleep, bad food, chronic stress.

before it was like so easy to recover, but now it's like those effects, we can sense that our recovery takes a little bit longer, like I remember, like hangovers and stuff. And the way people live their lives today, basically living their lives with searching for high self-esteem as opposed to high self-esteem because their digitized person is the one that's positioned in the world right now. People spend most of the time creating their sense of self online as opposed to being themselves in the world more often. But when is that going to change back? It's not. We have to figure out a way how to compartmentalize that so it doesn't dominate but has its place. And obviously we haven't figured I how to do that yet because of the way

people go about using that stuff and well everybody knows that and i believe budd had said something along the lines of like i think it was like the key to enlightenment when you're hungry eat when you're tired sleep and i want to tie this into that sensation is cognition uh discussion we're having because it almost sounds like our sensation is doubt as you're talking about the ice cream example where like you felt a little bit of nausea. And so do you think that our ability to sense what's going on in our body and how the foods we are eating, the environment we are, have been dowed over the years?

Yes. People slowly, it's level of sensitivity has decreased. You're not close to it, as close to it anymore because your cognitive activity has taken over control of what you tend to. to pay attention to, so you pay way less attention to sensations in your body, what you read, how much you read, which is why people are getting bigger and bigger. That's why half the country is obese. It's we need to, which is why it's important that if we're going to do something, that we

build from the foundation on up, elementary schools are a place where things have to begin, where families and schools have to get together and set into motion things where kids can begin to learn the importance of all of these things early on. So we don't have to fix what's broken later on. We can get things happening so that programs are set up so that, yes, we're not going to remove digitized devices and all the other kinds of things that come along with it. But we're going to compartmentalize it so it's used as constructively as possible, while the other more important. important stuff having to do with lifestyle management takes center stage. We have to do that. Otherwise, do you know how much more health insurance is going to cost in 30 years if this continues this way? Think about it. 35 year old kids weren't having to have heart surgery? Yeah, sure.

Okay. Which, by the way, is always, if you're looking for a reason why things happen, it's going to be money. This is going to play a part in making changes and stuff like that. And your app, the LQ app, that helps people break out of these patterns. I tell you a lot of stuff, much like we're talking right now. Variation on all kinds of themes that will provide you with a cognitive foundation, a personal informational library that you can check back with. Because I give you little bits and pieces of things that are going to be useful, that you should think about it, whether it's about relationships,

whether it's about food, whether it's about exercise, important stuff that will keep things, keep you focused. And then the second part of the app is a series of audio programs that I developed quite a while ago and used to sell independently through various places. And the product was well received when it was first launched in the 90s. But now I've taken it and I put it in the app. Let me explain it because it's going to be something that people have never heard about before. It uses something I call hypno-peripheral processing.

So in other words, it has a hypnotic foundation. But unlike traditional hypnosis, which is the hypnotist speaking directly to the person about themselves, in this framework, I tell you stories. I tell you adult fairyty. But the most interesting part of HPP is that you will find at five minutes into the program, one story, the lead story about a person with a problem who meets a magical character, that story pauses, and then two completely different stories start up simultaneously, a different story in each ear.

Now, I know right now, everybody listening is going, what? What in the world are you talking about? How could you possibly follow two stories simultaneously? And the answer is, you can't. And that's what I'm looking for, because when you float away from listening, by the way, everything is told very slowly. The pace is exactly the pace I'm using right now. Now. So eventually, you drift away and hears where the magic kicks in. You go into that state in between waking and sleep. It's called the hypnagogic state, as noted earlier. It's when brainwaves

occur that are called theta. Normally, like right now, we're in beta, and there's alpha, the meditative state. Delta is asleep, but in between is theta. Theta state. It's a state. It's a state. It's amazing that while you have no idea what's going on, you're hearing, you're listening, you're learning. And I put a whole bunch of positive suggestions, general suggestions. For instance, it's time for a change. In the middle of everything, you'll hear something like that. The whole idea is to tap into the power that you have to process information, to see. set into motion, not only the relaxation, because when you go into theta, you've released every bit of tension in your body. So it functions in a dual capacity, a great learning device and a great

relaxation device. Let me tell you one story about this that'll give you an idea of how it works, is when I first started doing it. I wasn't quite sure what I had, but I had done some programs. A friend of mine who was in the personal development business was holding a workshop. He was a well-known guy. He had some successful books and stuff like that. He liked my stuff, so he wanted to put it in. And so I showed up. And those days, it was on cassette tape. That's how far back some of these got. So he brings everybody. They all take a seat. He explains who I am. I explain to them what they're going to listen to. And then they put their headphones on because this is a headphone only thing. And they listen. Program is about 25 minutes long. It stops. Everybody takes the headphones.

off, Michael, who was doing the leading, the group leader, says, okay, does anybody have any comments about their experience? So one by one, people talk about how relaxed I got, how they felt as if they were asleep, how it was interesting, they noticed they could feel that there were some messages played, but they couldn't remember what they were. So one by one, everybody was saying something nice. And then Michael turns to the group one last time, said, does anybody else who hasn't spoken have something to say. So a woman who's in the far back last row raises her hand, says, so he says,

okay. So she stands up and she says, you know, that was the most relaxed I've ever been. Then she pauses and she says, oh my God, this is the first time I've ever spoken in a group in my life. She heard a message on the tape. Do you know what that message was? speak up. She processed that, because she needed it. That unconscious processing of that message triggered a need that she had been carrying around for decades, and all of a sudden, she was free. She was able to do something. And in retrospect, she'd go, oh, my, wow, that's when I knew something interesting was going on with the process. So there's all kinds of positive things woven into the fabric of this.

And which that, coupled with the conscious mind, everyday short form programs that they listen to, the combination works really well together. So that's the app. It's amazing. And if someone is listening to this and they're like, okay, I can't download the app right now, but I do want to make that first step to begin restoring my lifestyle intelligence,

What is an action plan they can do? Well, after listening, if they're listening to you right now, you and me, there's a lot of things that we've been talking about that I have a hunch in their minds set into motion things that they suddenly realize maybe about their past, maybe about their family, maybe about the patterns that they've learned and suddenly they think about them differently because I'm convinced that you set me up really nicely to provide information. You've made some really good comments in response to the stuff that I've said. So what you've done, what you've structured here has offered somebody perhaps some way into the beginnings of them beginning to seriously entertain what they know they wanted to do now for a while.

So they should thank you. If you're not here, I'll be I've been talking to myself. So I think One of the things I love about your framework is that there's something quietly hopeful about it. You're not saying we need to become someone new. They're saying we need to remember something we used to know. For someone who's listening,

who feels maybe they have drifted so far from their body, from their instincts, that they may not even recognize themselves, what do you want them to understand about what is still available to them? I could just, just in terms of my only sense, experience. It's never true thing. You're still here. You still have the choice to make different

choices. Take advantage of it. Everybody has skill sets, thought patterns, ways of going about doing things that are in their minds, things they want to do. Hey, test the waters, see what happens. You know, everybody listening right now knows singularly what the most important thing they should be doing that they're not doing. And the more they have tried to forget it, the louder it will become in their mind. So everybody who's listening to your show, obviously, is looking for information that will provide them with skills and strategies to make their lives better, more powerful in a useful way. Everybody can do better than they're doing, period. And everybody listening right now knows that. So this might be that moment in time when you take charge. But remember,

it won't be a straight line. You can start. Remember, remember when we talked about at the beginning of this, that there'll be a point when the wheels will come off for a little bit of time? It's getting them back on that makes it the strategy that you know you want it. Not starting it, being able to come back from those moments when you flound it around a little bit because that happens to everybody. But I have a hunch that you have an audience that's intelligent. So hopefully we'll do some good for them and they'll do themselves. For the listeners who want to follow your work, download your app, learn more from you. Where can they find you? Well, the app is on the Apple store, in the Apple store. If people are interested in it, they can spend two weeks using

it free of charge. So they can get a sense of me in terms of doing what I do and other aspects of who I am by listening. And they'll get a chance to listen to some of the HPP material. So they'll have a sense of, does this feel right for me? Has it impacted me in a way that I would say, I want to continue? Does it course share anything? I wouldn't want you to spend any money until you wanted to do that because you felt it's right, it works. I want it. And do you also have a website? The website is the, yeah, Lifestyle Intelligence, LQ is me talking about some of the stuff like I've talked about here. Yeah, Lifestyle Intelligence LQ, my picture will pop up and then you'll find out some folks who have talked about it and, you know what I mean, the sorts of things that you would

want to read about and explore. But I think people will find it interesting. It's different. And what What is one thing you're hoping each listener leaves this conversation with? The one that they're listening to right now with me and you? Curiosity. Are they, I hope I made them curious because curiosity is a really potent emotional state. It's like, ooh, hmm, you got to check that out. If people are curious, I have succeeded. Amazing.

Lloyd, thank you so much for sharing your framework, your perspective, and your stories. This was so amazing. I'm greatly appreciative of you having me on. Thank you again.