The Rest Is Entertainment - BBC Wimbledon, Remakes & Crew Catering

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

Will Wimbledon always be on the BBC, and what are the UK crown jewels of sport? How important is crew catering and can you tell when a scene has been shot before or after lunch? Marina gives us her top 3 (and more) favourite remakes plus some any other business dropping into Richard's texts. Your questions answered on The Rest Is Entertainment. Sign-up to The Rest Is Entertainment newsletter for more insights and recommendations - www.therestisentertainment.com Twitter: @restisents Instagram: @restisentertainment YouTube: @therestisentertainment Email: [e-mail] Producers: Neil Fearn + Tom Whiter Executive Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport 🌏 Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here ➼ https://nordvpn.com/trie It’s risk-free with Nord’s 30-day money-back guarantee! ✅ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Benefits vary by card, other conditions apply. Hello and welcome to the Restless Entertainment Questions Edition. Questions and Answers Edition and you are? I'm Marina, oh no, I really thought I got it. I'm Marina Hyde. And I'm Richard Osmond. Right.

Welcome everybody. Welcome to the professional zone. I have got Hyde. And I'm Richard Osmond. Right. Welcome everybody. Welcome to the professional zone. I have got a question to kick off straight away just to sort of finesse my way past that catastrophic intro once more. Charlie Eade says, how good or bad is location catering? And is there a pecking order on who goes first? Is it the stars, then the crew or is it a free for all? Crew catering by and large is one of the greatest things in the world, I would say. Occasionally there'll be studios you go to where they have notoriously bad catering, but by and large catering is great because you've got to keep everybody happy.

The two most important things to crew, what's catering like, when do we finish? If you finish two minutes early, it's like the greatest dream that there's ever been. But catering is an absolute obsession to everybody working on any sort of set, any TV show, any film and it's completely different on certain shows. If you're making a big TV show and everyone is working at the same time then there's just a mad rush at the end of your morning's filming. By and large the talent might go back to their dressing rooms and have catering brought to them.

Yes, it depends It's called craft services by the way in America America was cool And if you're making a show for an American money and they've paid the catering yes You're calling it cross services and you're pretty grateful on our set. There's a permanent van. They're doing you ginger shots There's snacks all the way through the day like homemade size. It's amazing It's genuinely amazing and then you would typically break for half an hour lunch. By the way, if you're looking at actors on, you know, big movies and things like that, I mean, there are certain actors

who people like Robert Downey Jr., you know, they've got a sort of sushi chef doing it all for them. They've got a compound. They're never going near any of this stuff. And then also not eating that food. I have heard like, God, on a Wes Anderson movie, and I can't remember which one it was, he just said, we're not going to have lunch, we're just going to have it shoot continuously, but we'll just put soup on tape. Sorry, what? Sorry, what food product? Sorry, soup now? Soup now. There was such a revolt, a mutiny amongst the crew that in the end he was like,

yeah, no, I didn't realize, you know, if you're lugging huge bits of equipment around, they sort of want a steak really. Yeah, you want something you need a knife and fork for. Yeah. At night sometimes, if you're lugging huge bits of equipment around, they sort of want a steak really. You want something you need a knife and fork for. Yeah, at night sometimes, if you're doing night shoots, people would rather get their food while they themselves feel they've got a slight break in proceedings and then take that extra half hour and not have to go home at 5.30 rather than 12. It's exactly it. So on certain shows you'll have a mandated lunch hour, which is usually about an hour

and 15. And there are certain days, certainly when you're filming, where if all of the heads of department agree, you can do an hour and you can leave a little bit early. But there are certain people who've been absolutely working their socks off all morning saying, no, I'm taking the full hour and 15. And if even one department says-

Wow, that's long, we only had half an hour. Oh really? Wow, yeah, that's a difference in TV and movies, isn't it? But yeah, on a movie or a sitcom set or anything like that, certainly if you're out on the field, there tend to be lovely big double-decker buses. That tends to be the absolute classic catering thing is big old-fashioned London double-decker buses and there'll be like kind of hatches where you can go and get your food and then you take it onto the bus and you sit with whoever you're with. There tends to be two buses. One will be for

supporting artists, which is extras and so on, and one will be for cast and crew, which will be the kind of big members of the crew can sit on that bus. By and large people do mix, there is some mixing. There are some actors who for lots of reasons will stay in there, Winnebago, because they've got a big scene that afternoon they want to learn it, but lots of actors will go and sit with the crew because they enjoy that as well. If an actor joins the queue, by and large people go, oh no you go in front and lots of actors will go, oh no no no no no I'm queuing up and saying where

there are. Some actors will go, oh that's very kind, sorry I just want to get back to the winning as soon as possible. I can understand sometimes where when the director or producer sometimes they just want to get their food and head off because they do have work to do. They work over lunch in the way that some of the departments don't. It is fascinating. There is a pecking order and some people will absolutely apply that pecking order. But often when people don't, you think, oh, that's interesting. You see a different side of people when they're very happy to stand wherever they are in the queue.

And the craft services will get a credit in the credits of the TV show. Yeah, there were three or four really big catering companies who do these gigs and it's a really big industry. I always remember there was someone called Gloria Wild who used to do food for lots of shows and I think her company is called Wild Food or something and I always said it should be called Food, Gloria's Food, it would be an amazing name for it. It's an amazing industry but it's incredible how much of creativity and any creative endeavor is absolutely like Napoleon said, you know He's army marched on their stomach Yeah

and almost all TV shows are made on your stomach as well if you're not feeding people properly and all morning you're thinking Oh when's lunch? Yeah, you can be doing the most emotional scene You'll be watching any movie and you can be watching just unbelievable acting like a Tudor wife is breaking down because her husband has been and you can be watching just unbelievable acting, like a Tudor wife is breaking down because her husband has been murdered and she's just found out that her brother has died in a war overseas. And she's just like absolutely falling to pieces.

And you know that not only is every single person behind the camera, but she also in the head is going, oh, it's lunch after this. Yeah, I've already had the WhatsApp that's given me all the choices. I've said what I want and this is so exciting. It's going to be waiting in a little polystyrene container when I get back to my trailer. I just can't wait. Every single scene is in relation to when is lunch or when was lunch, you know,

so the scene before lunch is just everyone's that I'm gonna give us everything I've got and I'm not gonna mess it up. You know the first scene of the day sometimes you're like, oh, we're gonna go again, sorry. That was me, I absolutely went. It's okay, we're ready. Yeah, happy, okay, let's go again. Sorry, John, the scene before lunch, none of that. It's, yeah, I think we got it there. Yeah, yeah, happy, everyone happy?

We all happy? Everyone, lights happy? Lights go, yeah, I think you're happy, lights. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that's absolutely fine. The scene after lunch is always, people are like, oh, God, I've just just because they just had a baked potato My brother always says when swayed are in the studio, you can always tell the take that's just after nice They call it the baked potato take because suddenly go that's quite slow

That's quite that sounds quite lead and imploding. Why is that? You think well because you've just had a baked potato and on shows that film three or four or five shows a day I can always tell if someone, if they've just had lunch or if they're just about to have lunch. And sitting in an edit as well. So if you're in an edit, you're there all day. You're absolutely stuck. You're in the edit, you're not going anywhere.

You're in a darkened room and all edit suites have runners who come and take lunch orders and then go and get the lunch. And the single longest period in human history, the most difficult timeframe there is to endure is the time between you ordering your food and it's arriving because you're like, oh, the second you've ordered your food, I can think about is all I can think about now.

And whatever's happening on the screen, you're like, I'm not concentrating at all. So every time someone walks down the corridor, you think, is that my Nando's? I wonder if that's my Nando's. Oh, that wasn't my Nando's. I always think the best thing on any catering because usually recordings start very early. Certainly if you're doing a movie or a location shoot I love a location breakfast. Oh it's so terrific. You turn up in a field, it's like 7am, everyone's doing their job, but there's just a hatch open

and bacon rolls are being prepared. Oh, we used to have people make you an omelette in front of you. That really is American money we've got there. God bless them. I'm heading down to the Thursday Meal a Club set for the first time next week, so I shall report back. Oh, that craft will be amazing. You would think so, right? Chris Columbus doesn't, he's not going to march on an empty stomach. It will be amazing. You would think so, right? Chris Columbus doesn't, he's not gonna march on an empty stomach. It will be terrific.

It's such a great question, so thank you Charlie, because when I started answering I was like, oh yeah, I know something about this and then you think, oh no, hold on, that's everything. It's everything. If you scrimp on it at all, people will hate you so much really quickly. Yeah, and then after lunch it's always, you know, it's never kind of, what do we think about this next scene? How are we gonna, is goes what did you have did you have the lasagna I thought yeah either yeah or did you have the risotto yeah

but with the sweet potato felt like that's all anyone's talking about that's what directors commentary should be should be did we just have no notice we didn't have a great lunch here what happened was yesterday said but you can also see how any potential leftovers have been resubmitted and become part of new dishes. As is quite right, I'm a great lover of leftovers and the repurposing of leftovers, but you do sometimes see things working their way through and in the end you're like, okay, I know what that soup is. That's from two days ago, just liquidised. But also the biggest nightmare on set is if the food for one of the main actors has not been

delivered or is wrong. That's like, ah, or not by the way, because people are divas, but because of that thing, a food is so fetishized on a set, that if that's the thing that you know that the actor has been going, oh, I can't wait. I can't wait. And then suddenly if they're baked potatoes, got tuna instead of beans.

But it should be said that some, of course, are huge divas. And in the interest of accuracy, yes, I think they are. But isn't that just life? I mean, some teachers are huge divas. And in the interest of accuracy, yes, I think they are. Yeah. But isn't that just life? Yeah. I mean, some teachers are huge divas, aren't they? I also think that actors being divas and showbiz people, because we do know plenty, and they are absolutely enabled. But I always think it's fascinating when you're in the other line of work to spot the person who,

if they became a major movie star, would be an absolute nightmare. Everyone has one in their workplace, at least one. Yeah, the absolute diva. So yeah, have a look and think about your workplace and think if this person was a world famous megastar, would they be an absolute nightmare or would they be a lovely Hugh Jackman figure? A question now from Sam Evans, a very topical one about Wimbledon. As it's summertime, this means Wimbledon is on. I read the BBC holds broadcasting rights until 2024 and so I ask and so I ask It's like Russell Crowe and gladiator any Sam or she

Might be a lady and so I and so I ask What happens next if I'm correct the competition has to be shown on a free-to-air broadcast And does this mean it will go to the highest bidder between BBC ITV Channel 4 etc? Or would it be kept simple with BBC simply signing a new deal as they consider the home of the sport? That is a very good question Sam. I think that it's the longest unbroken relationship, I think it's 97 years in terms of rights holding, I don't think we even called it that. BBC and Wimbledon. It is one of the crown jewels of sport. Now these are the things that are listed by law

and they are said to be of major importance to society and that's Wimbledon, Grand National, the Derby, World Cup, the Euros, the FA Cup, the Scottish Cup finals, Rugby World Cup final, Rugby League Challenge Cup final, the Olympics, the Paralympics, and Wimbledon. Now obviously sport in this country, I mean that's a whole separate entire podcast series forever about how badly it's run. Really hard to put words to put who's the worst person at running sport in this country. I mean, that's a whole separate entire podcast series forever about how badly it's run. Really hard to always pick who's the worst

person at running sport in this country, but ECB, English Cricket Board, is definitely for me always up there. Cricket has not been listed since 1998. This is a big problem, okay? I think the ashes should definitely be listed. I think that should be on free-to-air. It was once nearly going to be relisted and the ECB spent hundreds and hundreds of thousand pounds lobbying so that it wouldn't go back to free to air. And as a result, cricket audiences have really dwindled, but they say, oh, we want to reach children and all this sort of stuff.

They say a lot of absolute rubbish. I can't remember what all their initiatives are called. They used to have something called Chance to Shine. They got things like that. But that's going to come to your school for one day. What's gonna reach children more? Is it chance to shine maybe coming to your school for one day or is it the chance to,

when you haven't got much to do as a child, as a teenager, whatever, getting to watch a whole test series and just thinking, what is this? And actually, again, it's your better judgment or perhaps in favor of your better judgment, just becoming absorbed by it. I wish that they would get relisted. I think the Asha should be relisted and it should become one of these crown jewels like Wimbledon is.

Sorry, that was a bit of a soapbox. But what do we think is going to happen to Wimbledon? I can't see why on earth you would not go with the BBC. It's been so successful all that time and unless they were, you know, like the ECB, felt like they could get more money for something worse then I don't think that they would make that decision. I do think it's so associated with the BBC and I very much hope it sticks with the BBC because they've done a terrific job over the years come on. So yes different sports have different equations to make don't they about whether they want more

money for whether they want more exposure on a terrestrial channel. So Wimbledon has to be on a terrestrial channel it's got this amazing relationship with the BBC I think they understand that it feels like the most extraordinary thing what a brand Wimbledon is and the BBC has been a huge part in that and they're super super smart the the Wimbledon people so I Would be shocked if that went anywhere. You're quite right about cricket I think when channel 4 got the rights to show that the last day of the ashes and things like that That's and it just opens it out to a huge rights to show the last day of the Ashes and things like that. It just opens it out to a huge new audience. It was wonderful that Channel 4 went for that and did that and I really wish we could see

more. I wish by law the Ashes had to be on terrestrial. I will say this about it which is interesting. Something like cricket you have to clear a schedule for a test match and that actually is very very difficult for the BBC and if I am the ECB I know that Sky can have an entirely dedicated channel showing the entire thing, showing every single moment. Same way you know you watch the snooker and you know now with the iPlayer they can show every single minute of every single game but you know it's hard for a terrestrial channel to clear the schedule. You can use something like BBC3 for it during the day. Yes, exactly, but people, weirdly people, that's almost like having it on Sky

and that because people just won't go and find it. People are furious if they get to 559 and they go, oh, we're leaving the snooker now, but it continues on iPlayer. Honestly, a huge amount of the audience will not go over to iPlayer. So sport like darts, for example, it's one of the few examples where you think,

I mean, that has been made by Sky. Yeah. By the fact that Sky, it's one of the few examples where you think, I mean, that has been made by Sky, by the fact that Sky, it's great for Sky because it can fill Tuesday nights, Wednesday nights, you know, whenever you want, a tournament can go on all week, you know, it gives them loads and loads of content. It's great for Darts because people can watch every single episode of it and it's not something that you're going to, you know, put across five hours on BBC Two. So that's kind of perfect. It's got exactly the audience. Darts once, Darts makes a fortune by selling out big live venues, which absolutely have the same demographic as that Sky Sports audience. But something like Wynwood and something like the World Snooker, that idea of just being

a fixture, which is the sort of thing that only terrestrial TV can give you, is an absolute dream. But yeah, so I would also be shocked if Wimbledon moves from the BBC, if of course ITV Channel 4 could buy it if they wished. I think it's such a perfect marriage of sport and medium. And the one thing with Wimbledon is they're very, very, very good with their legacy and there's absolutely zero reason if ITV offered 15% more. I think that the All England Club are absolutely the sort of organisation that would go, do you know what, we're fine. It's always the US Masters, the people in charge of that tournament would not even let the channel show the first six holes or show the first three or four hours on a Thursday. They were like you just contempt for the audience yeah so I'm not gonna put the score up

yeah you know we're not we're not how to class age you think we are it's the I mean they're the worst but the contempt for the viewer there and then you've got what oh there's all that awful ceremony yeah would you get the green jacket and some gassy little cabin and some man hands it to you the butler's company is in his glassy little cabin I'm saying yeah it to you. The butler's cabin you're saying is a gassy little cabin. I am I'm saying it yeah it's dreadful. The greatest cabin in all of sport. Okay so yes Wimbledon I would put a large bet on it staying of course I wouldn't put a large bet on anything these days because it's now frowned upon. Yeah shall we go to a break Richard? Let's do exactly that. break Richard. Let's do exactly that. Welcome back everybody. Greg Reader has a question. Greg asks, I enjoyed hearing your

recent best movie sequel selections. I wonder if you could choose your three favourite movie remakes, ideally ones that improve on the original. Marina, what do you think? I understand that I need to do it in reverse order. So I'm just going to mention a load of them at the start that maybe didn't make the cut because that's what I want to do. Yeah, that's good. And I am making this format my own to some extent. Casino Royale, that's the original one with David Niven. That reinvented the whole of Bond, but I'm not putting it at number three.

I just want to say that. Okay, I got you. Some good ones that I like. It, that's a very good remake. Okay, and Cape Fear, the original is also brilliant, that's a very good remake. Okay, and this is hot. And Cape Fear, the original is also brilliant, so I'm unsure about that. Okay, I will now do the three. What we call the business end. What we call the business end. At number three, it is Scarface, the Al Pacino remake. Yes, that is a

remake. Didn't know that. Number two, The Fly, the Jeff Goldblum. And number one, which I might have mentioned this before because I just think it's so interesting, is the Maltese Falcon, which you all know the Humphrey Bogart version of it. It is so interesting because Warner Brothers made three versions of that film between 1931 and 1941. And it's just a useful example of how in those days when they were spending money on all these sorts of things, you could do that with a property that you owned, they would just think, well, I wasn't quite right, let's have another go. They put a sort of Latin lover in it once. And then in the end, it's such an example of how if you get the right writers, the star,

the right talent, all of these things, then finally it comes together and you're like, oh, of course it's a Humphrey Bogart movie and it's the Maltese Falcon. So I like it for that, that it's just so extraordinary. The the idea nowadays it's unthinkable that you'd see the same property remade three times in a decade by the same studio but it's sort of amazing that they did that and that the final one you're like oh I see that's what it's supposed to be. But the studio also shows you how difficult it is to adapt anything yeah because everyone on all of those versions was absolutely trying their best yeah you know sometimes sometimes it comes good worst-ever remake

I would say I did not enjoy the Italian Job remake. Yeah, why would you do it? I've got to say, I did see the Steven Spielberg West Side story, which was almost like a sort of shot for shot version of why would you remake the original West Side story? I have no idea why you did it. When I watched that, literally, Ingrid, within two seconds she cried from the first note of the first song to the final note of the final song. It was an absolute delight to see. And I've never seen the remake. The remake?

Yeah, the remake. You've never seen it? Yeah. I mean, I like the principles. I just didn't know why you do it, especially if you're Steven Spielberg. It seemed to me an odd thing to do. I'll tell him. What? He's coming over soon. I'll say, Steve, I got some- No, always Mr. Spielberg. Not to me. I'll say what I want. no, always Mr. Spielberg.

Not to me. Oh. I'll say what I want. Oh. Well, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. So Stephen. You'll come back and you'll say, you know, I just called him Steve the whole time.

I'll say. You absolutely missed it the whole way through. Listen, listen, Stevie, I've got someone who would like to meet you, who's got an opinion for you about your West Side Story movie that you're very, very proud of and that you worked incredibly hard at. Would you like to, no, she's here now. I think he's aware of how people felt about that maybe. I am going to introduce you to Spielberg.

By the way I love all your other ones. Oh no hold on actually actually now I think about it there's a couple. Well do let's do if someone could ask us the question we shouldn't really use that. Best three Spielberg movies. Oh yes please ask me that. Can someone ask this for next week please because I really want to do that. Oh talk about I have some any other business that's reminding me of two bits of any other business that have come up from our question and answer thing. We talked

about TV studio audiences. I said that Question of Sport had the longest waiting list for an audience. I got a message from, I don't know if you heard of him, Jeremy Clarkson, and he said so Question of Sport at its height had a waiting list I think of 25 years. Cox said there's two messages about 10 hours apart right okay the first one is this question of sport had the longest waiting list for the audience I'm imagining tone question of sport had the longest waiting list for the audience ha top gear at its height had a waiting list, as I recall, of 80 years. Oh, that's incredible. 10 hours later. Or was it 18?

It was really long either way. So listen, if it was 80 years, then it's a longer waiting list. He's bought a pub now. Yeah, but also his brewery is one of the fastest growing businesses in the UK. I saw the other day. I saw that as well, yeah. I also had a message. Josh Widdecombe very kindly sent us a message last week about why comedians introduced themselves And he gave what sounded like the definitive answer

However, it was not the definitive answer and I tell you gave me the definitive answer Dara O'Briain and by the way doesn't mention Josh at all, but this is a real kick in the nuts for Josh This is a real John Steele crotch from O'Briain. He said hey join the podcast podcast that's how you start a text in it class and didn't get a ticking off yes I'm enjoying the podcast I kind of see the point of it yeah love Marina that's what anyone ever says to me if they should write the podcast oh my god Marina is so brilliant and you go hmm is he have you ever heard of trying to do a rundown of a top 10? Faultless this week.

You were, you were to be fair. Enjoy the podcast. We do a live intro each night because that way we can localise it, otherwise we'd have to record 160 separate versions with a different theatre name in each one. There, it's scratched. So that's essentially saying to Widdicombe, what you said was nonsense, which is, oh, it's just, there's no one else around to do it. And it goes on to say, I now want to hire Adam Dedicoat,

he's the great BBC announcer, to just sit in the room all day and say, done firmly in Alhambra, Watford Coliseum, as the camera slowly pulls out. But yeah, that made sense, right? And why did Whitakim not come up with that? I think there's ways they can both be right. Josh, if you're listening, that's a real shot across the bowels from Dara O'Briain, I would

say. I should point out they are very good friends, but only one of them can be right. Sorry, can I just cut this off with a question about football? Of course you can. Of course you can. I think just tactically, Tom Heaps, Richard, why do pitchside football pundits use hand-held microphones rather than lapel mics like their studio colleagues? Thank you, Tom. Tom Heaps. Do you like Tom? Tom Heaps, yeah. A lapel mic you would

use by night in a studio where there's no wind, there's no noise, there's no crowd noise or anything like that. If you are pitch side, firstly there's a lot of noise behind you, secondly there's a lot of wind and the closer you are to the microphone the less interference there is between your mouth and the thing that's picking it up. The commentators have lip mics which are literally, they're almost like vacuum sealed to their mouth. In fact, they're so good at blocking out the noise, you actually have to increase the crowd noise in the mix because actually the feed from the microphone, you can't hear anything. It's too eerie.

Yeah, exactly. It's absolutely vacuum packed. One of the things with lapel mics is during COVID, every single TV presenter had to learn how to put their own lapel mic on. It sounds simple. They're so fiddly when we're doing House of Games. I can do my mic for all the shows except I started wearing like a turtle neck on like a Thursday this year. And then so Andre, our sound engineer, by the way, sound engineers do far more than just putting your mic on. That's like a, that's a a very very small part of their job but that is a part of the job that they would often do. But on a Thursday house of games when I was wearing a turtle neck, Andre would have to come in with lots of bits of tape because

you can put a lapel mic literally on your lapel but that really depends on are you spending most of the show looking left or are you spending most of the show looking right. So if I'm on a panel show and I'm to the left of the presenter, I'll have my lapel mic on a different lapel than if I was sitting on the other side. If I'm the host and I'm in the middle and I'm looking both ways, I'll have it absolutely bang in the middle, which if you're wearing a shirt is easy because you put it on your shirt but if you're wearing any sort of jumper it's quite complicated. But if you want to be a geek about it, take a look at where where people different the panel lights are on panel shows and

you'll see it mirrors where they are where they're sitting good question they're very interesting final question I love this question Simon BT has a question for us ever since Twitter changed to X everyone talking about on radio TV has referred to it as X formerly known as Twitter they do in print as well I find this really annoying is there a legal reason for it is it something that people are made to do and if so how long does it have to go formerly known as Twitter, they do that in print as well. I find this really annoying, is there a legal reason for it? Is it something that people are made to do? And if so, how long does it have to go on for?

Oh my God, yeah, how long does it have to go on for? I feel like I can tell the intonation of what you're saying there. It's ridiculous, it's really annoying, and I just sort of feel like people are gonna get it. It's fine, you don't have to explain the rules the whole time. It's like one of those shows that explains the rules

all the time, it's very annoying. People know by now, and if they don't, I'm sure they'll pick it up. It's really not that confusing. But I quite like naming it the wrong thing because it would annoy Elon Musk. So I think it should either just be referred to as Twitter all the time and just pretend that not admit if his ridiculous name change. Although, you know, when Facebook changed and it became meta, which became the parent company of all the things, I know, you know, do we have to bow to these people? I suppose you do in the interest of

accuracy try and call it the right thing. But yeah, at the end of this question being answered and I hope you'll have something to say on this too, Richard, but at the end of this question being answered, can no newspaper or broadcaster in this entire country just call it X from now on, everyone knows, or just decide to call it Twitter, but don't do both. Listen, we're in a transitional period. It's like decimalization. But how long is this transition going on for? Well I don't know as long as long as it takes. It feels like it's only a website for about 100 years. Well I feel like we can put a name to it. I always call it Twitter.

I always will because that's what people understand it. Also X written down can mean so many different things writing on X. I mean what do you mean it's almost like a typo but yet X formally known as it's because X doesn't mean anything because as a brand it has not broken through in any way whatsoever nobody in the real world is calling it X a Hoover is a Hoover is a Hoover forever even a Dyson is a Hoover yeah right but also if you are talking about it right stop writing about it I don't care what anyone's saying on it I should say that if you use trademark names yeah I tell you who most aggressively protect their mark are Portaloo's.

If you write Portaloo in a news story, by the way, we have about 10 legal warnings a year sent to The Guardian and all other newspapers saying, don't just use it for any form of temporary loo or any form of temporary cabin. They absolutely aggressively write in the whole time about this sort of thing. So I suppose technically Elon Musk, a free speech nut, could write in and try and enforce the usage of his website's name that he prefers but he hasn't done it yet. Yeah, Porterkabin and Porterloo are both copyright, they're both trademarked names for the thing that we, you know, like Hoover, that have become the thing. Tannoy is another one. So all sorts of things that, yeah, if you ever write a

script for the BBC it comes back and say, don't say Porta Kevin. Don't say Porta Kevin? You lost your mind. I always go, I'm going to say Porta Kevin. I'm saying Porta Kevin. If you say it, they've got people who literally sit on the internet. They've got a whole office, I think, who are just waiting for unauthorised uses or misuses of it because it isn't technically one of their products. It's like the bat signal. They know when it's been misused and they come down like a ton of ropes on you. But I would say nobody calls it X, so call it Twitter or don't call it anything, but the best thing to do would be not report on it at all.

You'd have a much, much smaller amount of content produced every day because huge amounts of stories of things that happen on it. Oh, imagine if we had much less content produced every day. I know. And on that note, we'll see you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.