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I'm Marina Hyde. And I am Richard Osmond. We have lots of your questions. Thank you so much for
sending them in. Are you ready? Yeah. Hit me. Hit me. Okay. We're going to start with Madonna.
You must. Yeah. Nathan Stucker has a question.
Madonna has said that she in Universal have parted ways over her biopic, apparently starring Julia Garner.
It seems like a fortune had been put into pre-production, including something called a Madonna boot camp.
How often do films fall at the final hurdle?
Is there a point where productions have to happen because of sunk costs?
Ha, yeah, parted ways is one of those real newspaper words, isn't it?
Newspaper phrases.
They've parted ways, you know, like when you have to say a manager, you can't say a manager is going to be sack
because you could get suits.
You have to say that on the brink.
Okay, yeah, they have one.
100% parted ways. Let's put it that way, Nathan. This is a film about her, co-written by her and
directed by her. So, I've got to question the wisdom of Universal's investment in that. What we do
know is that the script for this, the Madonna biopic, was, and remember, there are a lot of
these kind of music biopics. They're very successful and there's a kind of big trend for them.
The script was, I know it was three hours plus. I've talked to various people who were sort of connected
or at least know some of the stories.
There's a lot of fallout stories from this.
There was a Madonna boot camp, yes.
She wanted candidates for the role to be able to sing.
For the role as her?
Yeah.
Okay.
And they needed to be able to sing, but, you know, okay, debatable,
but to be able to do the dancing
and to be choreographed by her choreographer.
But Julia Garner is a big actor, right?
She's from Ozark and...
In Ventigana and that sort of stuff.
Yeah.
But various people went through this boot camp.
Florence Pugh.
Odessa Young.
Florence Pugh went through a boot camp.
I know.
Beverly Rexer, Sky Ferreira,
Alexa, Elixademi, and Julia Garner.
And Julie Garner wins.
But then in 2020,
In 2023?
Yeah.
Okay.
You can imagine.
I understand.
Then she, it's the celebration tour
and that was a big, big thing.
So they sort of shelve it.
That would have been the moment, I think.
But then it sort of gets, comes resurrected.
It is now definitely dead.
Madonna has given an interview about it
in which she said
oh we had a falling out me in Universal
regarding budget
because I need I needed
I've had an extraordinary life
I've had a huge life
so I needed a big budget
alright all right guy in a pub
yeah
you wouldn't believe
some of the things I've done
but you wouldn't believe them
yeah yeah she
honestly they couldn't
Hollywood they couldn't make it up
they need CGI to create this
she said she wanted to me
so then she tried to come up
with some kind of financial compromise
and she said
was going to move it to Serbia.
And Universal said to her, well, we don't even believe you today in Serbia for four days.
Sorry.
And she says, did you read the script?
My entire life has been survival.
I'm not going there for a holiday.
So massive drive-by on Serbia there.
Yeah.
Come on, guys.
Thank you.
Meanwhile, Serbia is going, for you.
I mean, I, okay, as I say, lots of, we have lots of these relationships in cinema at the
moment because there are lots of these biopics.
And there are some people who are great,
someone like Bob Dylan, who just says, do whatever you want.
He doesn't regard that, you know,
a complete unknown necessarily is him or not as him.
It's just do what you want.
Yeah, he does his music.
That's him.
The Beatles have been more protective,
and I know have been more protective
over the surviving Beatles over the four Beatles films
that are coming out, the San Mendez ones.
This is such a tight involvement with the performance.
You know, she's writing her own story.
She is about her, she's directing it,
And also she's Madonna and we, you know, she's, she's control-free.
You know, that's what's made her great.
Yeah.
I would not say she's a great.
She has directed a film before.
I've seen, she's directed two, I think, but I've only seen one of them,
W.E., which was about, um, yeah, about Wallace.
Yeah.
There's a hilarious line in that where she says, uh, there's some newsreel happening
and it says, King George, the third has died.
And it's like, yeah, I mean, did no one, that was in 1820.
I think maybe you mean somebody else.
Anyway, never mind, never mind.
she is a very, very difficult performer to get into that type of relationship with.
It's hard at the best of times.
It probably was slightly hard even with Bob Dylan,
even though we think that he's got this philosophical thing.
In terms of your question, Nathan,
is there a point where productions have to happen because of sunk costs?
There are definitely points where productions go ahead and do happen
because people sort of slightly feel they've been in for a penny and in for a pound.
Yeah, sunk costs, if people don't know that,
that's the money you've already spent.
Is it worth spending a bit more money just to protect the money you already spent?
You've got to market it.
You've got no.
And by the way, they hadn't made this film.
So you say sunk costs.
I mean, I don't know how much Madonna boot camp costs.
It's probably quite expensive.
It's nothing like having to get the cameras rolling and her not feeling it for the first three days.
And also, maybe they were filming that and they can.
Yeah, maybe it can be a documentary.
We know she's great in behind the scenes documentary.
So that would probably be a good use of the money.
But I have to say that there's, I don't think there's ever of time in films where we have got to the point.
recently where there are certain things like there was the backguard film and there was
at me versus coiote although that is going to come out now where people just thought it's so
expensive to market this thing that we're just going to keep it on the shelf and do nothing with it
and use it as a tax write-off I don't know whether they can tax write off any of this I don't
understand the accounting but there is there is always a point at which you can pull out and
I would say before principal photography would bring in's was quite a good moment to choose for
this one I just think it's too difficult that I just think that there's a level of relationship
with a performer that is too tight.
And in this case, knowing what we know about her,
and it is honestly the reason why she is brilliant and amazing and still out there.
She's phenomenal.
I'm not trying to, I just don't think that that's the right person to,
you're not the right person to tell your own story.
Yes, it is certainly cheaper to do it now than after four days in Serbia.
Just even four minutes.
I would say.
Yeah.
Question for you, Richard, from Fay Williams,
who says, I recently took my daughter to see the Tom and Jerry movie.
It was the strangest cinematic experience of my life.
I did not know that this was made by a Chinese company and I have so many questions.
Is Tom and Jerry a big deal in China?
Was it a commercial success there?
Tom and Jerry is a huge deal in China.
It used to be shown on state television.
We've spoken before about China and the very strict rules they have on what can and can't be shown.
And, you know, they would have looked through Tom and Jerry
and seen that there was nothing that could actively harm the party.
And so, yeah, it used to be on every night on.
the CCTV, I think starting of like 1991, and people loved it.
In fact, they loved it so much that the Chinese, as is, often their way, culturally,
they thought, sorry, why I be watching this program about an American cat, an American mouse?
So the Chinese made their own version of Tom and Jerry.
And this is genuinely the title of their version of Tom and Jerry.
Their version of Tom and Jerry was called, this was from the mid-90s onwards,
It's called The Blue Mouse and the Big Face Cat
launched as a rival to Tom and Jerry.
You know what?
It wasn't really a rival because Tom and Jerry is timeless.
Tom and Jerry has endured in China
because that hasn't really sort of, you know,
got to cause them any trouble.
There's now like a big online game,
but Tom and Jerry has got 100 million users,
which always sounds a lot, but in the context of China,
that's not that many.
So it's hugely all over Asia.
There's Tom and Jerry Singapore movies.
So all sorts of things.
But the really interesting cartoon character in China is Winnie the Pooh.
Oh, yeah.
Because, you know, in the same way that China has absolutely embraced Tom and Jerry,
and it's a huge deal, Winnie the Pooh is completely banned in China.
I mean, completely banned in China.
You can't get an image of Winnie the Pooh.
You certainly can't watch the Christopher Robin movie or anything like that.
You'll be aware of why this is, I think.
But if people don't know, it's because, in fact, when Xi Jinping met,
Barack Obama, which is 2013 in the States, a meme started going round with Barack Obama as
Tigger and Xi Jinping as Winnie the Pooh. There was a suggestion that they had a similarity of
look, of build. And Xi took this very, very badly. And therefore, when someone takes something
badly, more and more and more and more memes started coming up. And lots and lots of satirical
things about China, but using Winnie the Pooh. So things that looked basically.
harmless, but
Xi and the rest
of the CCP sort of understood what was
going on. So Winnie the Pooh is
absolutely, you couldn't
be more banned in China
than Winnie the Pooh is. So Tom and Jerry
they continue their ascent,
but Winnie the Pooh is
essentially just about the most
banned thing that's possible to be banned
in China, which is some achievement, I would say.
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, this is a question
I want to know the answer to as well.
Paul Cronin says, I have a question
regarding the World Cup coverage on the BBC.
Usually, as the second half starts, they have a QR code for a link to get a TV license.
They're not quite about it either, Paul.
I'm intrigued to know if you have any data on how many people have used this service during
the World Cup.
Okay, this is an answer that I don't even need to have any data from because I'm possessed
of sound mind, okay?
I would not think that that could be meaningfully charted the level of that sign up,
because it is as close to zero I would have thought as you could possibly get.
I have no idea his bright idea that one was.
But just in terms of the psychology of it,
what, the second half of the football's starting,
hang on a second, let me just get, let me just, okay,
I don't know whose idea this was,
but I believe it will be something that can't be charted
in terms of sign up.
Is it, though, at least airing culturally the idea
that more people should pay their licence for it?
Is that what they're, I mean, no one's using it, clearly.
I mean, that's not.
Like a sort of nudge unit,
thing. Okay, maybe. Maybe. Maybe that's it.
But no one's actually doing it. But yeah.
Yeah, I've thought it's a short sort of one word answer to that one I would have thought.
Yeah. Get E and B or to show the QR code halfway through the episode of EastEnders.
Okay. Make it a plot line. He has to sign up for a license.
Exactly. And he just keeps holding and he's got a double-sided bit of paper with the QR code on.
So while he's looking at it, you are also looking at it as well. So you can hold your phone up to it.
The plot line's so boring that you can actually think, actually, I tell you what, I don't
I'm missing this bit. I'll just, yeah, that's the possibility. I have some sympathy, I suppose.
These are enormous audiences and, you know, there is this sort of 10% of the population who are
watching the BBC and not paying their licence fee and that needs to be, that gap needs to be bridged.
But yes, it feels like that gap is not being bridged. It feels like, yeah, quite the opposite.
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Now, this is a very good question.
That was an interest that you started with OK.
I don't know why I did.
I don't know why I did, Richard.
I'm so sorry.
I'll tell you what, because I've seen Dylan Stone's question
and it slightly set me off on.
Oh, so you're trying to think of an answer.
Yeah.
The UK is currently searching for a new Doctor Who,
a new James Bond and a new Prime Minister,
who could do them all?
Who could do them all?
That's, I can think of someone who...
There's a lot that can do two.
Yes, there are a lot that can do, and there's certainly plenty
who would say they could do all three.
Oh, yeah. Who's the triple throat?
I'm thinking Tom Hiddleston would go,
I could take all of those on.
When's that show coming out, I need to get back onto that,
the time detective thing. Yes, okay.
So I think it probably has to be an actor
who could turn their thoughts to politics, right,
rather than a politician, you know, rather than, you know,
although Andy Burner might go,
I actually think I probably could do it.
I actually think, if you look at what I've done to Manchester,
if you look at, honestly, if you look at what I've done with the buses,
I don't think a TARDIS is that much different.
Yeah, TARDIS fairs cap, therefore I can run the galaxy.
Yeah.
I think, however, politicians would not be inside.
I think it's got to be actors.
So essentially which actor could play both those parts.
And would you trust to run the country as well?
Just get Callum Turner in?
Almost no one.
Yeah. I mean, God bless actors.
But, yeah, it's difficult.
Kathy Burke, maybe, who I would sort of trust to run the country.
I would trust as a doctor who, as a bond.
As a bond, I'm stuck.
Again, you see, it's just very, very difficult to get the triple threat.
It is.
Ross Kemp.
Yeah, I knew you were going to say him, obviously.
He's your go-to.
He sort of is.
I could see him as who, for sure.
I could see him as an older bond, possibly.
And, you know, he's dipped his toe into politics a number of times.
I think he's politically engaged.
It's a possibility.
Is this a time for toe-dippers?
I've sort of slightly felt like real.
It's really need to.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, none of these, I'm not suggesting any of these, I'm simply answering a question.
Not suggesting any of these people would do any of these jobs well.
Yeah, I'm just answering a question.
Someone who could be in the middle of the end diagram.
I've been set a challenge and I'm attempted to meet the challenge.
I think the name that we can all agree on probably, certainly the one way you go, okay, due to, you know, the advantages of leaving the EU, we are now being allowed to have a prime minister who is also Dr.
Who and James Bond.
This is just something that's been bought in.
Let's start making the benefits work for us.
I think the name that would keep the country on an even keel for the first,
for the transitional months, which I think would be really, really difficult of having this prime minister who is also Bond and who.
I think the answer, as so often, Danny Dyer, don't you think?
You know, I didn't know where you were going with it.
I thought there's nothing that he could say that I won't find massively offensive.
And yet you've blocked it out the bag.
Okay, fine.
I'm sold.
Yeah.
All right.
Even as I said it actually, I was thinking tenant.
because he's already been Who.
So we know he can do that.
He can do Bond.
Yes.
It was a different bond.
Yeah.
You know,
but I think it would bring a lot to it.
And yeah,
I guess he'd be a prime minister.
Could they not do a job share like when there were two leaders of the Liberal Party,
the two Davids?
Could they not each do the job share of all of them?
So two guys filling three roles.
Oh, well, tell you what?
Why don't you have three people?
One of you have Andy Burnham as Prime Minister.
Why don't you have Callum Turner as James Bond?
And when you have George Fouraker as Doctor Who?
That's actually a much easier idea.
Why don't you have three different people?
I think they'll probably go with that in the end.
Yes.
I think not necessarily those personnel choices, but at least a couple of them.
But what if this bring, like a Doctor Who episode,
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Agreed.
I wonder what that would be.
I'd love to know.
I would genuinely love to know what's right at the front of your brain at the moment as things you'd like to happen.
Right.
I have a question for you.
Okay.
That was a good one, though.
That was?
Yeah.
Yeah.
A current question here for you from Rosie Norton.
Thank you, Rosie.
Rosie says, I'm intrigued by social media vetting and how it actually works.
I noticed the BBC dropped to documentary recently because of the host, who I have to confess I hadn't heard of, that's Ashley Kane, because of his past social media comments.
The BBC said in their statement that the vetting process had failed and that it's the production companies,
responsibility to carry this out. What does the process actually entail? Is it done by a human or
AI? And does everyone get vetted before appearing on TV? Well, yeah, vetting is a big thing.
Just for people who don't know the story, Ashley Kane is a BBC presenter. He did various
documentaries. I think they thought that he could reach disenfranchised young men, etc.
Yeah, he's got a sort of, yeah, a rugged manosphere vibe about it. And he's got a social media
history, as it turns out, where he's called women slags and slats and bitches and various other things.
And you often get, there have been apprentice candidates where, you know, they find that 10 years ago they said something, whatever.
And they always naked produced that and they say, oh, it's the production company, they've failed.
Vetting in general is quite interesting.
There are various different levels of sophistication like anything.
Nothing's perfect.
It can obviously be done by AI, but it just depends how deep, to be honest, quite how much money you want to spend on it.
The BBC do have a social media vetting process.
Everyone gets DBS check, disclosure, barring service,
if there's any reason why you haven't been able to work in certain things,
or whatever it is.
And you get your social media, this is the BBC's vetting process,
and you get your social media checked by a sort of third-party firm.
Because obviously these things are business risks.
I mean, having to pull a documentary is expensive.
But we know that even with really expensive things,
companies just don't do it.
I mean, remember the star of Amelia Perez,
Carla Sophia Gascon, she had no social media,
that no one had seemed to have gone over her old social media.
And that was complete amateur alvetting by Netflix's movie side
and it completely derailed the Oscar campaign, everything.
We talked about it on the show.
The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, by the way,
the star of that, Taylor Frankie Paul,
or the breakout star of that,
was found to have had this kind of domestic violence arrest.
She is the star of a whole season of the Bachelor,
Lorette, which they shelves, but by the way, I've noticed, have you seen that?
I think they're going to find a way of bringing that back next us.
We always felt like they've got an entire series Disney of the Bachelorette sitting there waiting
to air.
They're going to just wait until it's died down and put it out.
But as I say, it's very, very expensive.
There are different types of vettings.
They've psych test, really.
A lot of people who produce certain types of reality shows will say, oh, I mean, the
top courses that you'd really want all fail the psych test.
There are different evaluations, clearly, if it's a show about business.
or if it's a show where they might involve hooking up with other people, then you have different
things. You can go out as far as you like. You can go out. Sometimes they even do family members
because just saying, oh, it can really get a show into sort of trouble. I mean, we hear a lot
about it in politics. You know, why didn't reform, who have obviously, in all their iterations,
as Brexit and UKIP and everything, had problems with candidates, why did they not properly
vet the social media of their make-a-field candidate who was this plumber who said,
things like, yeah, I'm a sexist and I don't care and all these, which cost them hugely.
Sorry, but the question is, can you be here on Tuesday afternoon?
Yeah, can you? But I will say that the guy that we got to be the British ambassador to the
United States of America failed as vetting and still got the job. And I can absolutely promise
you that given what we knew and what was in the public domain, Peter Mandelson would not
have got hard as an apprentice candidate. No.
For whatever reason, they got, but he would have failed that BBC vetting
and he wouldn't have been on for that show.
Although, you know, the BBC take a lot of stick for everything
because that's the nature of it, but let me tell you that Peter Mandelson would never have been,
he would not have cleared the vetting for the apprentice because of the Epstein connection
and they would have found it out because enough of it was in the public domain and it just wouldn't have happened.
However, he probably would be able to get on Celebrity Big Brother.
Yeah, I think that would be fine.
That would be a good book in.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm a celebrity, Mandelson.
How much money do you reckon he's got, Mandel?
Well, he had some quite interesting ears, if I can put it that way, between the various.
Enough to last him?
I would have thought so, yeah.
I don't really know how much further I can go on that.
I mean, if you were, but if you're on a celebrity, you'd definitely be making the call.
Yes, although I think they've really pulled out of a celebrity, a bit of politicians now.
But he's not a politician anymore.
No, but I think that people would think, just think the blowback to them is too great.
Yeah.
But yes.
We're going to see lots and more about vetting because the fracturing of the party system,
as we used to know, it means that there will be so many different candidates being fielded.
And lots and lots of them will fail their vetting and lots of them will get through.
And then we'll discover far too late the things that they have said.
But yeah, I would say television is better than most people are doing this.
Certainly better than politics.
Ah, the beautifully named Honey Clark, Richard, has a question for you.
After the success of the film Project Hell Mary, there'd been talk of Andy Weir writing a secret.
to the book and I presume there will be a film sequel too. Have any other authors written a book
sequel after a film adaptation has been a hit and have those sequels been any good?
Gosh, the very best example of it, I would say, and it was going to be made a film as well,
but by the way, Project Hell Mary, I'm in 100%. I mean, Andy Weir, the sales, millions of copies,
he was sold millions before this had come out and his other books do as well. So that
that will be, he will write it, there'll be, you know, an amazing movie of it as well.
But it's like Game of Thrones where there comes a point where, because sometimes books take longer to write them films, that you slightly get out of sync.
He'll never finish Game of Thrones, though, and I don't care.
But the best one was when a film comes out of a book that wasn't enormously successful in the first place is a really interesting time.
So Forrest Gump is based on a book, based on a book by Winston Groom, which was a perfectly, you know, successful book.
But the movie was beyond enormous.
It was a huge thing.
So Winston Groom immediately thinks, well, I'm going to write a sequel to Forrest Gump.
Because, I mean, you would.
I mean, any author will tell you if there's an audience out there for something.
And he created this character who, you know, he loved.
And, you know, you've got this interesting kind of dynamic.
So, you know, immediately, of course he's going to write another book.
And of course, they're going to make a movie of that.
So Winston Groom writes Forrest Gump 2.
The first book was out in 86 and the movie was 94.
So Groom published as a sequel called Gump and Co.
and in Gump and Co.
In the sequel, Forrest invents New Coke.
He meets Ayatollah Khomeini.
Wow.
He meets Tom Hanks, who was filming big.
So he meets the guy he played him in the movie,
although he doesn't know that he...
Well, this is Meta, matter.
I know, it's really meta.
He causes the downfall of the Berlin Wall,
and he captures Saddam Hussein while deployed in the Gulf War.
So there's a lot going on in that book.
Well, in Gulf War I, he captures him.
Yeah.
Okay.
I know.
That's an alternative timeline.
It's Forrest Gump.
You know, that's what he does.
It is certainly an alternative timeline.
Yeah.
So Paramount Eagley, of course, Greenlight, a movie adaptation of Gump and Co.
I mean, they will do their own version of it.
You know, it's my thinking.
Eric Roth turns in the script.
It turns in the script.
Talk about Forrest Gump and, you know, he's always there when the big events of history happened.
He turns in the script on the 10th of September 2001, the day before September 11th, 24 hours before the Twin Towers are attacked.
Tom Hanks, Zemeckis and Roth, they collectively agree that this tragic comedy about a simple man blundering through American history had no meaning anymore is what they said.
I mean, I have to say that that day it was,
whilst an awful sort of national tragedy,
within the absolutely desperate and cynical entertainment industry
was an excuse to say no to so many things
they hadn't quite found the words to say,
yeah, this is going to be disaster, we're not doing it.
It was just able to, everything's changed now.
Everything's changed.
And unfortunately we can no longer proceed with the project.
So we cannot do your reality TV show.
It's the easiest day.
Yeah, we can't be doing this anymore, I'm afraid, because reasons.
Yeah, because reasons.
So, yeah, that's a perfect example of it.
And, you know, would have fed into Forrest Gump 2.
I imagine there would have been a Forrest Gump 3.
But, yeah, as the writer, you know, of course, if you've got a big hit movie,
you're immediately going to do a sequel.
That is us for today.
I kind of really recommend Richard's series on the World Cup of US sitcoms,
which you can listen to for free on our timeline right now.
Exactly.
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That must have been blood on the floor.
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