The Rest Is Entertainment - How Liz Hurley Slid Into Billy Ray Cyrus’s DMs

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Are we right to be cynical about Elizabeth Hurley’s new relationship with Billy Ray Cyrus? Why has Peter Andre donned a dodgy dreadlocks wig for his new acting role? Who will win Celebrity Traitors? ‘Jafaican’ is not his screen debut as Peter Andre claims, but that is the least of the film's issues. From his accent to overall portrayal of Jamaican culture, initial reaction to the trailer have ignited the culture war. What does it tell us about financing of film production at this level of the industry? A celebrity romance that no one had on their 2025 bingo cards is Liz Hurley & Billy Ray Cyrus. How did the English actress meet the Achey Breaky Heart crooner? One of TV's cultural moments returns for its celeb outing. Who is in this year’s Celebrity Traitors and who do Richard & Marina think have a chance of being crowned the winner? The Rest Is Entertainment AAA Club: Become a member for exclusive bonus content, early access to our Q&A episodes, ad-free listening, access to our exclusive newsletter archive, discount book prices on selected titles with our partners at Coles, early ticket access to future live events, and our members’ chatroom on Discord. Just head to therestisentertainment.com to sign up, or start a free trial today on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/therestisentertainment. The Rest Is Entertainment is proudly presented by Sky. Sky is home to award-winning shows such as The White Lotus, Gangs of London and The Last of Us. Visit Sky.com to find out more For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Assistant Producers: Aaliyah AkudeVideo Editor: Kieron Leslie, Adam Thornton, Charlie RodwellProducers: Neil Fearn + Joey McCarthyHead of Content: Tom WhiterExec Producers: Tony Pastor, Jack Davenport Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm good because we've got some quite fun things to talk about this week. There's a lot of silliness, a lot of celebrity, but you know, our usual level of analysis. Yes, there is. I was thinking I've had like a sort of cultural desert this week, because I've been moving house, but actually I haven't. I've watched something that's really exciting that is coming up. I watched a new cut of Adam Curtis's forthcoming series of films, which I don't think people actually know is forthcoming, but it is. It's coming to iPlayer in early June, I think, and it's called Shifty and it's about the 80s. It's a sort of social history, so it's totally different than what he did before. It's really interesting.

And it's kind of like how this, we all shifted in a sort of consciousness shifted to this completely individualistic thing. And he's very good at making you realize how things felt when they were happening and your memories are false. Anyway, that's something I did actually watch. But I also watched some other culture. I watched a movie starring the stars of our first item, Liz Hurley and Billy Ray Cyrus. So we're talking about Liz Hurley and Billy Ray Cyrus. I'm very much looking forward to it

because I'm aware of both of them. I haven't been entirely aware of the story of both of them. I'm looking forward to hearing about it. We're also talking about, Peter Andre has made a splash. He is starring in a new film called Jafaken where he essentially tries to impersonate a Jamaican man. The internet has not reacted particularly positively to it. It's currently what we call critically misunderstood isn't it? It is critically misunderstood and I wonder if we're gonna make any difference and then we're going to talk about who is going to win Celebrity Traitors and why it

might be the greatest celebrity reality show of all time. I mean, that sounds like fun, doesn't it? It sounds like a lot of fun. There's no doom and gloom there. Nothing's on fire. No one's lost their job. We're beginning with what they call in a real marmalade dropper in Nashville, because we're talking about the relationship

between Liz Hurley and Billy Ray Cyrus. Now, every now and then in an age of information saturation where you just feel like there's no mystique left, something comes along that can still blindside us. And for me, as so it was with the news really, released over the Easter weekend, which showed Elizabeth Hurley in a plaid shirt kind of down on the ranch kind of look.

I got you, like Megan, she's listen she's just at home. She's kicking back making some bath salts. But where is she at home? It looks like a kind of a ranch to me and she's being kissed by a heavily tattooed individual in Easter Bunny years. Hugh Grant? It's not, it's Billy Ray Cyrus, the achy breaky heart hitmaker in tabloid parlance. I have to say that this was such a shock to the general internet. I noticed that all the

headlines at the start had those particular stylings, you know, they have sparked romance rumours. Well, I mean, they're literally kissing, but anyway. That's a romance. Yeah, they've teased a romance. So who released this photograph? Liz Hurley released it on Easter Day She's got the arms. Yeah She did she did but we now know this relationship as I say this kind of like surprise relationship is Actually true and Billy Ray's gone on a podcast

Not his family's podcast, which we'll talk about the family and its factionalism later. He's the father, we should say, of Miley Cyrus and a number of other sort of gothically absurdly named children. His in some ways a kind of bit of a tabloid story himself. Anyway, he is now with Liz Hurley. And we know this is true because he went on a podcast last week and he gave an interview saying there was a point, he doesn't say when, a while ago where he was thinking, wow, can life get any harder? Can it get any tougher? He just couldn't get, he felt you couldn't get knocked down any flatter than laying on your back when life is kicking you. And in this moment, a friend, he says a friend, reached out, hey, it looks like life might

be a little bit tough and I wanted to know I'm in your corner. You've got a friend in your corner. Now, how much of a friend this person was, who knows? Because Billy Ray Cyrus replies, I'm sorry, I don't know who this is. And the reply comes, it's Elizabeth Hurley. Yes. Now, who knows how she knew that he was in his lying down. Perhaps she does it to her because she sent exactly the same to me. So she must just send it to everyone. She sends a speculative one out to see who bites. Yeah. Or she'd maybe been like many people sort of insta-stalking, like civilians as she would refer to them, ordinary non-celebrity folk who stalk people on Instagram, work out what

things are going, the various plot lines in people's lives and maybe make their move at the right time. Yeah. The two people who replied were Billy Ray Cyrus and Greg Wallace. That was it. Nobody else. That was her choice. Yeah, so of course the internet wishes to wreck on all these things and sort of say, oh, there were clues, there were clues, because she's not, the thing is she did, she was in the Maldives doing a bikini video. She's very much a bikini entrepreneur in these days. We'll come to the nature of her celebrity in a bit. And it was in the Maldives, it was a couple of weeks ago or whatever, it was done to a Billy Ray Cyrus song.

When you say a Billy Ray Cyrus song. It wasn't that one, no. Wow. Yeah, I know. Well, he's got Old Town Road as well, to be fair, hasn't he? Yeah, it wasn't that one either. What, like another one? Yeah, it was another one. The lyrics had absolutely nothing to do with what you'd use to sell

a bikini, so people are saying, oh, I see, there should have been some clues there. Yeah. Anyhow, so then they go dig back and think, well, hang on, how the heck did these two meet? And as it turns out, there was a film called Christmas in Paradise starring Liz Hurley and Billyway Cyrus. We love, we love, love, love a Celebrity Christmas film. Oh, yeah. I mean, really, I mean, that was my entire takeaway over this, which, love, a Celebrity Christmas film. Oh yeah, I mean really, I mean that was my entire takeaway of this, which was like, wait, there's Billy May Cyrus and Liz Harley Christmas film, also starring Kelsey Grammer. I watched a film for research

for one of our other stories yesterday, which I can't wait to tell you about, but do tell me about Christmas in Paradise. Yeah, it's called Journalism, I did it too. I watched Christmas in Paradise. Yeah, but I'm not a journalist. I missed the second bit of the Ronnie O'Sullivan match to watch this, so come on.

Okay, the struggle and the sacrifice is real. It looked like Peng Tung-Joo was going to come back at him, but I wouldn't have known. Well the film that you watched I really do want to hear about, but anyway we'll get to that one on the next item. We will. Or the next item but one. She did these interviews to promote Christmas in Paradise, a film which appears to have sunk without trace, saying what drew me to this was the chance to work with Billy Ray Cyrus. Something that not that many

people have said, maybe some divorce lawyers. Actually, they all say it. Anyway, but listen, as I say, my take away was, sorry, there's a film. Now, I will give you the summary of the film. Liz Hurley placed Jemana Christmas. Yes. Okay. Now, her Christmas is torpedoed really, when her and her sisters find that their father's not returning messages. He's been dumped. He's played by Kelsey Grammer, by the way. And he's taken himself off to a Caribbean island and they have to sort of go back and by the way, it makes it sound like he's living like Robbins and Crusoe. He seems to be in a sort of resort with a kids club and there is a certain resort crooner if you

will type of resort sort of musician by the name of Billy Ray Cyrus. And also you could believe at that stage of his career that that is what was actually Billy Ray Cyrus. Oh you're here well just you know you do it then. Begins with Akey Breaky heart, ends with achy breaky heart. It's the resort comedy that isn't the white lotus, I'd very much say. Kelsey Grammer plays Father Christmas and you may say to me we don't know yet that but we do because the first, this is a sequel, I can't believe it, which I think is called Father Christmas, the first one, I have to say I haven't seen the first one because I'm not that good a journalist. Owen Jones would have seen it. I know but he's a complet completist what can I tell you. I did a deep dive it turns out this by the way this isn't even the only Caribbean Christmas movie she's done. There's one called Christmas in the Caribbean

again a solid 3.7 on IMDB same director same director is this. The title of that comes in you just go yes. Yeah well that's what I'm saying there's a certain class of film now that you just think it might not be about the work it might just be about the fun we have along the way. You know, you're going to go and film it in wherever in the Caribbean, obviously, as she did with this one. And it's probably going to be quite nice. And no one's going to worry that much about how much coverage did you quite get for everything. It's going to be fine. You've worked with the director before.

And for some reason, again, something that in the Peter Andre item, we might talk about the economics of all of this, it just works. I would say that this is a part of it, she's part of a sort of realistic community of filmmakers now. So Liz Hurley is Joanna Christmas, her grandfather's father Christmas. And that's where they met, that's where her and Billy were met. He's a sort of resort entertainer. If you want to see a calypso version of AQ, break your heart. It's in the moving. By the way, I should say that that isn't the first Bonnier's photo that Liz Hurley has posted on Easter day. Because a few years ago, this, I mean, again,

she posted a picture of her in the Bonnier's with a young man who, as it turns out, I think is her nephew. He's recovered, but this recovered. But this was the caption on Easter Day. Thanking God today that my nephew Miles is with us for Easter today. His wound is still oozing blood, but he's alive and we're thankful. The knifemen who stabbed him are still roaming around London. Perhaps around your loved ones. Happy Easter. No way. That's not true. It is. But there we go. So I'm pleased to know that Miles has recovered. But so yeah, I mean, Easter drama is she's not a stranger to bunny-eared Easter drama, shall I say. Anyhow, let us let us talk about their comparative status, because what we've got here is...

It's interesting their status, because they feel like they have quite an equivalence. Yes, they do in a way. I agree. They're both incredibly world famous, but in a very specific, narrow way. She, I would say, is a sort of heritage celebrity, isn't she really? Because these are the sort of movies she's making now. But back in the day, you know, Passenger 57 with Wesley Snipes, a movie I've only seen about 30 times. The high watermark, probably Austin Powers, Bedazzled, that sort of thing. Okay. She's now a streaming actress. And bikini entrepreneur.

And by the way, I think her bio at one point was mom model, actress, bikini designer, organic farmer. Okay. That's all the jobs. That's yours as well, I believe. Yeah. Now AI does almost all of those. Yeah. Yeah. And she obviously has had famous left field romance as she was with Shane Warne. Hugh Grant she was with, right? Hugh Grant she was with. And then she married a guy called Aaron Nyer. Anyway, a sort of business tycoon I think he was always described as. She briefly went out with the Scotland International Craig Burley, didn't she? But they didn't get married because she'd been Liz Hurley Burley.

It's been a picaresque romantic career, should we say. Cinematically, I would say there have been a lot of movies, these crazy movies, you know, that get sort of announced and then the whole cast list is announced and then I guess the funding fall apart at the last minute. There was one that was called High Midnight, which I'm just going to read you the synopsis. A broken down sheriff is forced to join forces with an obsessed Victorian vampire hunter to defeat an undead force consuming a small frontier town in 1892 New Mexico. Yes, please. So there's a lot of twists. That one never happened. An episode I really remember is when she went to Chechnya to make a film with Gerald Depardieu she played his sort of Russian old flame.

What a life. I agree okay and I mean it is sort of mad and it is and the things you sort of have to do and you can imagine that there was a certain amount of tax credits and a certain amount of conditions attached to those tax credits because how else could she be filmed with the Ramzan Kadirov, who's the really nasty bit of work who runs church near her. Once she did that and was talking about it, she said, well, we've made quite an invasion. I mean, that guy makes Jared Deperdu look like a nice guy. Anyhow, so she's, she's, it's taken her some strange places, her current, but let's talk

about Billy Ray. Yes, please. Now Billy Ray had this one big hit, but he's had other, you know, he's had other, he's a sort of country star It's one of those country hits that crosses over into mainstream Aki break your heart and he was married to someone called Tish and he's got sort of six children many of whom I say have These hilarious names, you know, there's trace. There's brazen Miley obviously Miley Cyrus is a great name though She's born destiny hope but yeah, but she was very smiley and they said smiley-miley and it was

a sort of baby talk version. It became her name, although she was of course Hannah Montana for quite some time. And Billy Ray Cyrus was in Hannah Montana. In fact, Liz Hurley says that Damien, her son, grew up watching and loving Hannah Montana and therefore Liz had watched a lot of it with him and loved the work of Billy Ray. Will Barron Well, I mean, that's all getting a little bit... Listen, I don't want to go back to the snooker every five minutes, but Ryan Day's father married a daughter and then Ryan Day married the mother of that daughter. So Ryan Day is his father's own father-in-law. Oh my gosh.

Yeah. Well, there's an element of some of Tennessee to that. If you call a kid Destiny Hope, that is essentially saying we're not going to have more kids because that's using up two names. Don't you think Destiny and Hope have very similar vibes to them? I agree. But then if you've got Brazen in your back pocket and Trace, then you can do whatever you like, can't you? If I was Brazen, I'd be like, with all due respect, Dad, and listen, I'm

looking forward to meeting Liz. You gave Miley, who's already Miley and Hannah, you gave her Destiny and Hope. And you gave me brazen. And this may be one of the things they've had one of them nine million feuds about already. It's impossible to keep track of it all. But there is a huge amount of factualism. Then the divorce came. He's now got had another divorce from someone called Fire Rose. Fire Rose. Fire Rose, one word. She's one of those names that I just read everywhere and I think, oh

yeah, I know Fire Rose. I mean, no idea. You You know when you've just read so many stories and you just assume these people are part of this celebrity pantheon. It sounds like a new restaurant that opens on the high street. Yeah, very much. Yeah, there's a new place called Fire-O's and then like three months later they're, oh, that place, we never went, did we in the end? There's a lot of chaos in their family. They've got a podcast, needless to say, called something called We Are Sorry We're Cyrus. I don don't know they should have called it Cyrus's or Varsis or something

like that they didn't do it and there's a lot of drama in the family they should have called it it's all of us except Miley she didn't thank him at some recent awards and everyone reads a lot into that you know they're a family about whom people do a huge amount of and they all have their internet's new thing and they all have their own pages and they all seem to be at war with each other at different times. They're like the sort of Tennessee Lannisters basically. And so quite honestly, it is an unusual relationship I would say in conclusion. You know, the heart wants what it wants. Yeah.

And we're, you know, it feels like it's a multiplier of a relationship rather than a divider relationship. You know, Liz Hurley's fame and renown is multiplied by Billy Ray Cyrus's fame and renown. Because they must both have plenty of money, so they're okay for that. They're both instantly recognisable. Billy Ray, when he teamed up with Lil Nas X to do Old Town Road, had a real resurgence and was very fashionable. They must have made a huge amount of money from that as well. But you know, he must still feel that his public image is not as solid as he'd like it to be. This does Liz Hurley care? I think she's probably quite happy going to the Maldives every five minutes, isn't she? Oh, I think it's a relationship with huge potential, particularly for the lovers

of drama. It is funny that celebrities, we think we put everything online and we know everything about them, then suddenly there'll be something that comes along and you'll be like, wait, sorry, what? This is quite the surprise. I will be watching this relationship. They've made it very public and they're talking about it a lot, so we'll have to see how it turns out. I wish them both great good luck in the union between the, presumably the Cotswolds and the Tennessee ranch lands. Oh that sounds lovely. Yeah. Also looking forward to Christmas in Paradise 3. Please come on. Or a movie with just them as the leads. That'd be good. And it definitely can be in the Caribbean. I'm obviously very happy for it to be another movie in the Caribbean. Not even the last Caribbean

movie we're going to talk about today. It's probably the least controversial Caribbean movie we're going to talk about. You know what it is definitely the least controversial Caribbean movie we're going to talk about. You know what? It is definitely the least controversial Caribbean movie we're going to talk about today. It is available for you to watch at a purchase price of £3.49 on Prime. But it's a lovely story because it's like a Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney for our generation. I know.

It's way more like of a surprise than that. Well, I mean, that would be quite a surprise. Are you surprised they got together? That feels absolutely natural. way more like of a surprise than that. Well, I mean, I mean, that would be quite surprising. Are you surprised they got together? That feels absolutely natural. Well, now I know that there was the movie and there was a chance for them to meet. Yes, and Liz has very eclectic taste in partners.

But I couldn't predict you the next celebrity marmalade dropper, but this one's it. And I am 100% here for it. What do you think is the most unusual celebrity relationship? I always thought Madonna and Guy Ritchie was quite an unusual one, in a funny way. Now, again, it sort of makes sense retroactively. Yeah. But at the time it is quite unusual. I mean, Liz and Shane was a big one for me.

Yes, she is. You know what? She's doing sterling work in our top 10 of unusual celebrity relationships. She really is. Lana Del Rey and her husband, who I believe runs alligator tours, and she once took an alligator tour, possibly in the Everglades, I assume in the Everglades. Oh I'll tell you my favorite one, Brad Pitt and Sunita, they had a relationship very early in his career. Wow well that's a good one, even Simon Cowell and Sunita but that's his own story. Going back though, you know, Arthur Miller

and Marilyn Monroe, these are really strange, a great left field pairing is brilliant. I was in Peter Crouch and Abby Clancy, who genuinely have seen such a great couple, but you would not have put them together. And in fact, when they were first together, he issued, and then they broke up, he issued such a horrible statement about... Oh no, did he? Which yeah, something for the best man to have run out of. Their marriage has now produced

four lovely children and they're very, very happy. But yeah, it wasn't, I don't think she would regard that as his finest hour. Yeah, that goal for Stoke was his finest hour probably. Shall we go to adverts and after that we're going to talk about an even more extraordinary celebrity story involving Peter Andre and a dreadlock wig. Stay with us in the Caribbean. This episode of The Rest is Entertainment is brought to you by Sky, where you can catch up on brilliant shows including season one of Poker Face before season two arrives on the eighth of May.

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Welcome back everybody. We've done Billy Ray Cyrus, we've done Liz Hurley. There is only one natural place to go. That is, of course, Peter Andre Marina. It's really one for cineast this week, isn't it? It really is. It's like an audio version of Sight and Sound magazine. Yeah, exactly. If anything, a little bit more highbrow. This story sort of broke a bit more than a week ago, a trailer for Peter Andre's new film. And if you're thinking, I didn't know he was an actor, then that's not even the weirdest thing about this because the film is a comedy crime caper called Jaffaican.

To summarise the plot, Peter Andre is a low-level gangster. Gary Buckle. Gary Buckle is his name and often in financial trouble. His nan, lovely, beautiful woman, is in a care home and needs £35,000 to continue her care. This is the film. The Thursday Murder Club could have been. Could have been, should have been. So she needs £35,000. So Peter Andre, because he has a heart of absolute gold, even though he's a criminal, not Peter Andre, Gary Buckle has a heart of gold, Peter Andre is not a criminal. He has to find £35,000 from somewhere.

He essentially... He meets a man who tells him that he looks exactly like his imprisoned dad who turns out to be a Jamaican gangster. So Peter Andre then hatches a plot to pretend to be this imprisoned Jamaican gangster in order to make money. Go to Jamaica and get back his ill-gotten gains from some other Jamaican gangsters. Exactly that. And all he has to do... All he has to do, and this is, again, if you ever want to know one of the elevator pitches, this is all it is, all he has to do is to convincingly pretend to be Jamaican.

Sound Jamaican, act Jamaican, whatever that is, he has to be convincingly Jamaican and our film sort of like an Eliza Doolittle for the Caribbean where he has to. Yeah, that's kind. Yeah, it's Peter Andre in a rasta wig doing a sort of patois. Doing a patois, yeah. Now this is a film I wish I could have bought you an executive producer credit on. I would have, well I did, and by the way, have, by the way... How did Richard get cancelled? I'll come to that in a minute. On my executive producer credit? No, I wish I... No, on the whole fan financing of something like this, because I think that's interesting. But we should say, okay, it is

by a black writer-director called Freddie Krueger and Waka, who is a former bodyguard, possibly has some claim to having been involved in some way with the Wutang Clan. Was he? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's one of those things that a lot of people claim to have invented the hovercraft. I think quite a lot of people, when you've got a collective of simply that size, you're able to sort of say, but who knows, perhaps, perhaps. So, it's a Freddie and Wacka is the sort of Christopher Cockerill of the Wu-Tang Clan. Yeah. Yes. Okay. That's one for Hufford Croft enthusiasts. And they have shot on location in Jamaica. It's supposed in a bit more than a week to

be having its world premiere at something called the Gold Coast Film Festival in Australia. But it's fair to say Richard is not met with universal delight, the trailer. Yes, Peter Andre on social media tweeted out that, do you still tweet things out? You probably don't. He tick-tocked out the trailer, you know, to what he hoped would be greater claim. It did not go down well, the idea of Peter Andre pretending to be Jamaican in a comedy crime caper. We should say it's not literally blackface, but it sort of is in another way in the sense that yeah, if you're wearing a wig, a brass wig and doing a pat's on, yeah, it's, but

there isn't actually, as far as I can work out, any makeup involved. But other than that, it certainly teeters on a form of blackface. And there's lots of black creatives have written to various people saying, you know, written open public letters saying they're not thrilled about it. Yeah. The director has, he's got, can you just tell us about his earlier film? He's done a number of films, Freddie Nowakka, and they're all quite high concept. I'll give him that. There's one about a team of bank robbers who hide out in a haunted house and essentially get haunted. That's quite a fun caper. Again, quite a fun. He's a good paragraph

picture, this guy. And then his most recent one was called, which is the one I've seen, which is called On the Other Foot. And it's about a racist man who overnight becomes black and sees the error of his way. He's essentially sort of an EDL member who goes to all the meetings and had... But done as a comedy. Oh, very broad comedy. Although listen, it's got a social heart. He goes to the dentist and he won't have an agent dentist.

His daughter brings home a black boyfriend and he literally faints. By the way, in the dentist scene, the guy just says, they'll just, I'm just going to inject you, it'll just be a little prick. And he goes, who are you calling a little prick? Oh, okay.

All right. I can still work as a joke, can I? Okay, that's fun. So I watched the whole of this film. It's fairly extraordinary. Can I tell you who's in that film, by the way? Because on this whole Jeff Faken thing, the one thing Peter Andre said is I'm delighted to be making my movie debut. I tell you now, Jeff Faken is not his movie debut. I can tell you as well, because I had a look at something else and I wonder that he's in this is he? He's in this.

He's in On the Other Foot, Peter Andre, as is Junior Andre, his son. Peter Andre in this plays a member of the EDL. So he's in this. What can't he do? What cannot he do? Sorry, what can't he do? That's the range of it. He's not getting typecasts, which I love.

Okay, so I wouldn't watch this film. I would say that. It's not something you need to spend 90 minutes on. What I will say is a number of things about Freddie Nwaka. It's really hard to get a movie made and I'm fascinated to know how he got these movies. And he's had a whole load of them made with a majority black cast with, you know, he's getting stuff done and he's getting stuff made. I watched the whole of On the Other Foot. Absolutely Cars on Table. I did not enjoy it as a cinematic experience. At the very end when the racist white guy is talking to the EDL members and talking about the error of his ways. I thought, you know what, this film has got a lot of heart. It really has. It had a great

message, it had real heart. And this is a guy, I was looking at Freddie's IMDB. And if you want to know how hard it is to be, you know, black British in this industry, his first five credits as an actor were all bouncer. All of them. Bouncer or Dorman. All of them. That was all he's playing. And so he's gone off, he's written all these films. He's got these films made. He's cast them with British actors and he's put them out there. And that's more than a lot of people do these days. I'll say that. I didn't, I didn't hands on heart enjoy it, but it did have, it's got, it's got a lot of heart. I will say that on the other foot.

It's something, it's not even one of those, it's so bad. It's good, Tyford. It's just, you slightly feel uncomfortable watching it. I would say that. But at the end I was sort of- One for the poster? Yeah. I was, I was cheering Freddie on at the end, I have to say. Well, okay. So a film has got made and it's going to, you know, in a week or two, it's going to this film festival. I'm sort of, well, should we talk a bit now about the economics of how these sort of things happen, how they get off the ground? If you look at the, even

if you look at the trailer of Jafaken, obviously we haven't been able to see it yet, it is having a theatrical release, by the way, 20th of May. As far as I can work out it is having a one day theatrical release, which is interesting and we can talk about a bit more about that in a minute. But so if you look at the end of it, it's made by Noaka Studios, so that's obviously his thing, an entity called Ondre Films, which again, I'm interested in. Then there's something, it was distributed by something called Epic of Entertainment. Now that was only incorporated last month as a company. I mean, it is an industry and it always has been filled with, some might say chances,

other might just, people just might say people, you know, with a sort of gift of the gab. And I would say that the person who's running that distribution company says it's described by herself as a business mogul who has sought to create a complete solution for the media and entertainment industry. She's got a talent company, a model company, a films company, another media company. Then it's one other producer which is called Devil One Entertainment. Now they describe themselves as film investors but they also do clothes protection and security. Oh, wow.

And if you look at the website, it's really interesting. It's like we invest in film, but then it's mostly bodyguard stuff. Yeah. Now, that is interesting because those people are often around the industry a lot and they see a lot of things and whatever. Now, in some ways, it feels like a period piece, this movie, because there were a lot of movies that came out about the sort of turn of this century that genuinely you thought how on earth, they were trying to make it a bit like in the wake of Britpop, a sort of Brit flick industry. And there was a sort of post Guy Ritchie, there are a lot of films were getting enough

finance to be made. Which were so, so bad that you couldn't honestly, you know, they would take something like £700 at the box office, there were things like the Sex Lies of the Potato Man. I mean, they had quite famous people in these ones. That's Mackenzie. Yeah, Mackenzie and Johnny Vegas, I think. It was discovered rather later on that a lot of films were, in fact, elaborate schemes where you could invest, they were tax evasion schemes. The film itself was immaterial, it was a sort of almost like a producer style were in fact elaborate schemes where you could invest, they were tax evasion schemes, the

film itself was immaterial, it was a sort of almost like a producer style thing. If you invested 150k you could get a million pounds tax relief even if it flopped, which accounted for a huge, I'm not saying that specific film and I'm certainly not saying this Peter Andre film, but that anyway, HMRC eventually closed that loophole. I'd watch a film about that. Yeah, the closing of the loophole. About a plucky HMRC guy played by Jason Statham closing a loophole. There are still lots and lots of questions. I've spoken to some various people in the industry about this.

Now, some people say, lawyers can say to you that if you submit a budget and accounts to HMRC and you say I'm going to make a movie which has theatrical release for 2.5 million pounds, you get 500k of tax credit. So 2.5 million is the threshold? Is the budget, yeah. At which the government, in order in a very good thing, in order to bring work into the country, you get tax relief on the budget. They'll give you 500k of tax credit. Now if you make that film not for 2.5 million but

for 400k you've already made 100 grand and you've still got a film that you might be able to sell. Okay now that's a very crude version. Now this is before you factor in what still happens to a huge extent. There's always some sucker who wants to be credited as a film producer who would put something in. There's a rich kid who thinks he's gonna play this for a business and there is criminal money that comes in. There's cash that people want to launder in various different ways. There are lots of producers working now who have lots and lots of films going. You kind of need lots because you need to move it all around the accounts all the time to show that you're making a 2.5 million pound film even though you're not.

This is amazing. They also exist in the US. By the way, I am not saying that Peter Andre's film is quite high profile ridiculously because it's got Peter Andre in it. So it's a little bit... Well, it wouldn't be high profile if he hadn't released that trailer and everyone had gone crazy. Now we're talking about it as well. I suspect you wouldn't have done that if the whole thing was an elaborate

tax dodge. No, but over 500 films last year claimed this UK tax credit saying they're intended for theatrical release. Now, only less than 250 are theatrically released. So you tell me what all of these other productions that are happening are really about. Of course they're about the work Richard, but are they actually? But if you were to release it for one day in one local cinema, would that count as a theatrical release? Yes, that counts.

So there's no greater obstacle than that? Selected theatres. And of course then again what we can talk about a little bit is this Gold Coast Film Festival. Now, the Gold Coast Film Festival will be like all film festivals, but not like the huge ones like Cannes and, you know, Tear Forward at Toronto, which is a whole separate thing. But there are lots and lots of film festivals around the world that get local government funding and in order for them to exist, they need to have a certain amount of films that

will be premiering there. It's this whole sort of ecosystem and they need to have a certain amount of awards that they will give out. They are definitely prizes for all at some of those smaller film festivals. Oh my goodness, some of the prizes you can get at the Gold Coast Film Festival are like Best Australian Independent Film, Queensland Screenwriting Award, the best Australian web series, best international web series. There are a huge number of awards just at that one film festival that you've never heard of, sorry, unless you're running it. And also again, I'm not saying this about the Gold Coast Festival, but a lot of the film festivals are money making things, which is

you pay to enter, you pay to be considered in this category, you pay to be considered in that category, you pay to go to the ceremony, you pay to get your award. It's a... They're recipients of arts funding, as I say, for the fact of their existence. If you see a very unusual film you've never heard of and it's got like eight of those kind of laurel wreaths and you look at the names of the places... They're really close up the poster. Yeah, and just go, that's interesting, and look at the places that gave those awards. And then I've done this so many times, I love it. And then you

go to the website of those awards ceremonies and it's just brilliant. It's just, you just think, my God, this is a grift. It's an incredible, the whole awards culture in general, it's such a huge subject and the way that it was all run as businesses. And it's just this entirely, as I say, it's a separate sort of ecosystem that doesn't really relate to anything at all. And that's not just that's in everyone will have those in their industry and just think why do we even, you know, why do we have these, but it's a whole business anyhow. But yes, I'm interested that he says Peter Andre, this is from baby because he's also in something

called Sun, Rose and Romance, which is a movie also starring Caprice. Again, you've never heard of this thing. Okay, so how do these things make money? Anyway, he's in something called Members Club, which is about an aging male stripper troupe. He plays Adonis. Members Club. Yeah. Now, so it's not his film. He's done lots and lots of these films and lots and lots of these films exist that you have never heard of. I've never heard, no one's ever heard of. Because you get extreme examples of this sometimes. There was a film a while ago, Five Guys were jailed for it called Landscape of Lies, which was to star the Loose Woman, Andrea McLean. And there was like a 2.8...

Landscape of Lies. Landscape of Lies. Come on guys. That's hiding in plain sight, isn't it? And that was like a landscape of lies. Come on guys. That's hiding in plain sight. Yeah. That was like a 2.8 million VAT fraud and tax fraud. And they shot sort of seven minutes of this thing, but it was supposed to be a huge Hollywood blockbuster. So occasionally this industry does sort of poke its nose above the parapet, but by and large it doesn't. By and large, it's very hard to prove. It's very hard to prove. And Jafaken, by the way, we're not putting in this category at all. It's just led us to talk about these low budget films. Jaffaican, I'm sure is above board. I've worked with Peter Andre, I liked him very, very much and I wish him nothing

but well. But it leads you down a rabbit hole of a huge amount of British movies that are being made all the time that we never see, we never hear of again, that you can find in the darkest corners of Amazon Prime. But given how hard it is to make a movie, there's this absolute cottage industry of unusual, unusually shot, unusually produced British films. What are the economics behind that? What is happening there? Yes, you're right. There's more than one way to ask the question, how the hell did this get made? Now, in the old days, there was a period, as we've talked about before, where

you could make basically anything because you'd always get it back on DVD sales or DVD rentals or whatever, including very cheap sort of copies in which you sold in the Far East or whatever it was, you could sort of make almost anything quite bad as a Britflip work for that reason. And after that came Netflix and Amazon and they needed to build up libraries of content. So you could sort of sell them, obviously the studios were selling them all their great stuff, but you could sell them any old rubbish really because they just needed bulk. But for the last 10 years or so, they haven't had to do that. So you can put it on Prime, your movie, and as I paid £3.49

for my Liz Hurley Christmas in Paradise movie. Well I was on the other foot. Where did you watch that? I watched that on Amazon Prime and I thought listen, but I didn't have to pay for it. That was free. Really? Gosh, well that, yes. And that's quite something. Yes, that is quite. But nobody finds those things. So about half of the films that are supposedly made for theatrical release in the UK every year,

quite how the money has come in, how it's been used and you could but it's impossible. It's very, very difficult to prove. And as I should just to restate this, I'm definitely not saying this is the case with Peter Andre's movie, which as I say is a hyper-example. It takes us down that rabbit hole. It is very interesting. I mean, it's a business to go into, isn't it? If Marina and I suddenly start making a series of movies with a budget of £2,500,001 and move to Golden Castles. There you go, Golden Castles. That's our first film. With Peter Crouch. With Peter and the Clancy's. Peter Crouch's golden castle. He's always banging his head on the doorway. Well anyway, it's an interesting thing and we'll see how Jeff Faken does. It has this

one day of release, but yes, it's not his cinematic debut contrary to what he suggested. It is very much not. And you know what, playing that EDL member, I have to say about On the Other Foot as well as, you know, it does have good heart. There's some really good actors just doing everything, they've given everything they've got in that movie. They really are. I mean, there's some, it's, you know, it is what it is. But there's, you know, sometimes Another one for the poster. I know, it just felt like sometimes when, you know, it's hard to be cast in a movie and you've got these people who are clearly very good at what they're doing and they're

just at the end of it, whether they just want to, like, Auri Steider is in it, the comic who I really love, but at the end, do you want to show your family? I don't know. It's interesting. I mean, I spoke to various people in the industry about this and they were saying, having looked at that trailer, you can't tell everything, of of course from a trailer for Jafaken. Maybe it costs 500k. Yeah, but you can tell it doesn't.

They haven't got lots of cameras. The editing is interesting. And it's sort of like a student film that has just been stretched to an hour 38 or whatever it is. But anyway, it's an interesting world and it is an interesting entire subculture and ecosystem of films, film festivals and things that exist that you have never, never heard of. I didn't even know that Caprice was a movie actress, but you know, I'm learning everything, aren't I? Yeah, and thank you to Peter Andre for dressing up in Rastafarian clothes to draw attention to this particular corner of the British film industry.

Thank you for your service, Peter. Shall we finish by talking about celebrity traitors? Please let's. Now, I keep reading that the official list of participants has been released. It has not. There are lists out there, which I don't think are a million miles off the truth, but the official list has not yet to be announced. And there are people who are going to be in this who are not on the list I've seen as well. I cannot say, I can neither confirm nor deny who's going to be in it, who's not going to be in it, I'm not going to be in it, I tell you that's

all I'm allowed to say. But it's been quite leaky, which is worrying for them I would say for the producers because it's obviously a long time between filming and transmission which I think will be in early autumn. Again they haven't announced it you would assume that the regular traders will be in its usual slot in January so you would have thought it would be late September early October something like that. They're filming as we speak. Should we just, should we work out who's going to win it? Yes please. That's all I wanted.

I've got some thoughts. And also announcing some of their names. So if you haven't seen these names, as I said, there will be others. Some of the biggest names, Stephen Fry is in there, Claire Boulding is in there, Jonathan Ross is in there. I can't see the big names, the big personalities. But can I just say before we even go any further, this is the ultimate prestige show. It's a great line.

You couldn't get this. This is reality TV, as I said before, when we were talking about it, you know, back near Christmas, reality TV has become prestige. And this is the most prestige of all of them by a million miles. To look at those people, it's not like people, no offense to people who used to be on Love Island, but you know, you get all these people, you're like, I've never heard of this person. And you may fall in love with them during the course strictly or whatever it is, but you don't know who they are. You know who basically most people on this list are.

Yes. Because you couldn't not. And because they all sat at home, watched it, loved the show and thought that's a game I would like to play. It's like an experience I would like to have. I'm not going to, it's not going going to be the privations of a big brother or a celebrity, get me out of here. It is literally would you like to come and play a game in a show that you love. I was very early on, I talked to the producers of it.

The guy I suggested who's in there, I'm so happy he's in there, is Joe Marlowe, the rugby player. I think a lot of people don't know Joe Marlowe. People who know him, rugby fans know him and he's got a great podcast. Oh my, someone's like, they've got Joe Marlowe. That's so, but you know rugby fans know him and he's got a great podcast. Oh my, some of them have got Joe Marla, that's who you know, but why did you suggest him? I suggested him because he's a very different presence to lots of people. He has a very overt masculinity, but he also has a very, very front and centre vulnerability, which gives, I just think gives him a great energy for traitors as a, as a, as a traitor or as a, as a faithful. I think he's going to, he will, if he is a faithful,

he will track down the traitors till his dying day. He will like, he will dive into a ditch to get those traitors, Joe Marla. I think so. I thought he would be a great booking for them. And then they said, cause I'd just been working with C.D. Emory on Thursday Murder Club, and we said, oh, we really love C.D. Emory. What do you think? And I love C.D. Emory. She's so mischievous. She's so naughty. I think being an actor is that there are a few actors in this. I think being an actor is a huge advantage. Just if we can talk about maybe some things as we're going through the names. I think that also Mark Bonner's in this who I absolutely love. I love him so much. But if you're a good actor,

I and Celia Emory obviously, I think you are at an advantage. But how long, how long until the Stephen Frys of this world, even though they know the former Inside Out and even they know the industry Inside Out, how long before even they are forced to say, yeah, but don't forget she's an actor. And they're really good at lying. Well, if normally the person who portrays themselves as the cleverest person gets kicked out in the first round table. So the clever people are going in a heartbeat. Yeah. And Stephen Fry's personal brand is, you know, I'm clever.

Yeah, exactly. So they might leave him alone for a bit because it's too obvious to get rid of him. And I honestly think there will play differently because there is a hierarchy of celebrity respect and it's very different. The ways in which it's different to the civilian show are on Manifold and they will play, there is a hierarchy of respect that you just don't kick out Stephen Farr on the first day.

Exactly, and also Celia Imrie. You know, Celia Imrie is the queen of the house. Yeah. Yes. I would say. Shall I tell you who people I think might win? Joe Wilkinson, I think might win. He's brilliant. I love to see Joe Wilkinson. I tell you the combination he's got that makes him perfect for traitors

is he acts like he's quite stupid, but he's incredibly clever. Well, that's what I was going to say about Lucy Beaumont. Yes, yeah. There's a sort of chaotic kind of am I, you know, scattershot or am I whatever, but actually they're very, very quick and clever. Yeah, so I think both of those are in with a shout. Now, the person who has got everything enabled to win is Nick Muhammad. Nick Muhammad, from Ted Lasso, a great comic as well

and a great actor. Now Nick Muhammad does incredible memory feats. He's incredibly good at reading people. You know, he's cold reading, all those types of things. He can do sort of everything, Nick. But I feel like that's going to get found. People are going to know that. There's always someone in Trades of Two people clearly can see is a tactical genius. And I think Nick will spot every single person doing every single thing. Unlike the ones that there's always a cat, they have so often in reality TV like this, they have a character who says, well, I'm a psychic. Who's wrong about everything? This is the actual sort of more scientific version of that, which I think is, yeah, I think that's

a, you're right. I mean, no one here is, yeah, I think that's a, you're right. I mean, no one here can pretend to be Welsh because that's part of the thing. We all know. Everyone knows who everyone is. And if they don't, they will have, you know, tried to find out before their phone was snatched from them. Yeah. We've got Paloma Faith, we've got Tom Daley. Again, these are, these are sort of wild cards. I would say Tom Daley is a- Definitely a wild card. They could stay until late though. Yeah, because you just sort of go under the radar.

We know how to win traitors. Nico Omelana is our YouTuber. He ran for London mayor and he got more votes than Lawrence Fox. Yeah, he did quite well. Yeah, he got 50,000 votes. I think he got his deposit back. So he'll be interesting. David Odoisoga, one of our goal hanger stablemates, historian. Yes. That will be interesting. Yes.

Because again, a super, super bright guy and will be respected by everybody. Yeah. He said, yeah, I mean, listen, you never know, he could do it. I think, honestly, I think that, I think Joe Wilkinson or Lucy Beaumont will win it. That's my opinion. But I think there's people here that people will fall in love with as well. But great bookings. I mean, genuinely, it's it's so OK. First, I will say that, yes, it's obviously the bookings are incredible. And if they are, as they and if there are even more people we don't yet know about

in terms of how their celebrity will affect the gameplay, I think that is interesting. This is not their primary career. I think people love this show so much. And I was actually talking to someone pretty high up in this business who said, I think that many of them have made a mistake and they don't realize how exposing it is. You know, how you can go to pieces because it is, you know, you see them every year, the same thing happens and they have to remind themselves it's a game but it's so intense and it's such a sort of sealed experience. You're sorted together 17 hours a day. I don't think, I think there are many people on this list which I who I won't name but

I think could go to pieces and I think it would be and also could obviously I don't think they're going to destroy their careers and they'll be kindly edited and what have you but they could undermine their public persona to a significant extent. I really I think it'd be really interesting. It's so it's such a siren call this format because people absolutely love it and they think oh it's fun I could do it you know as you say I'm in the cast you know it's but I do think that some of them should have feared more to tread and I think it's really interesting and it'll be interesting because of that. I do think that some of them should have feared more to tread and I think it's really interesting because of that. I do think that if you're an actor it helps you.

I definitely think it's an actor. I think if you're a comic it really helps you because you can, you know, we've even seen with politics, if you're funny you can, you know, any line of questioning you can deflect if you're funny. You can, you know, you can take the heat off in a conversation by saying something funny and everybody laughing. I think, I think being a comic might be more useful than being an actor. But in being one of those sort of your primary career being something like, I don't know,

Jonathan Ross, where you're a person who often deals with lots of different personalities. You can see him getting quite quickly into some sort of fatherish role. And there are certain people knowing what you want in a way much quicker than you might than might happen, although it goes at quite a pace in the civilian version. And some, you know, some people have said, I wish they wouldn't do that celebrity version, which I absolutely get. I think this is one of the few shows that really, really, really will benefit from having a sub diversion because it will be a different version of the game and it'll be a different

version of the game because a lot of these people go in, a lot of these people really, really know each other. A lot of these people are genuine friends and have worked together, you know, Jonathan Russ and Alan Carr have worked together a million times, Joe Wilkinson and Lucy have worked together a million times. Lots of people really know each other and it gives a completely different flavour and a completely different vibe to the show. We know what the show is, we know how it works, we know the different stages of it and we know the early kind of sparring bits that don't matter quite so much and people just putting themselves in position. But when people already know each other, and as you say, when there is

an obvious status from the second you go in, it just makes it a different game. As you say, it is a siren call. I was deeply tempted to do it, deeply tempted to do it more than any other show, but I wouldn't enjoy it if I wasn't a traitor, I don't think. As a producer, I'd be aware that half the show was going on. I was asked on the Irish one, and my children were like, they literally couldn't understand why, they couldn't believe anyone would say no. And I said, oh no, I mean I you know my anxiety dream is that I'm on reality TV but I think it's very very exposing for the sake of

the podcast you should have done it so should you yeah listen I do all sorts of TV for the sake of the podcast my god you lift us up and I thank you for that service every week but I was very very very tempted to do it and I genuinely think it's gonna be great I really think it's gonna be a great show I think it's gonna be fascinating I think you're absolutely right that everyone thinks they can probably handle it. But once you're in that situation, I suspect it might be very, very hard. And yet if I, if I had some great television moments, Richard is all I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be great. But yeah, if I had to put money on someone, it'd be

either Joe or Lucy to win the whole thing. But the beauty of the Traters is you never know. You know, someone comes out of, you know, a clear blue sky to win it. But I'm genuinely, again- But it's amazing we're talking about it in, you know, April. That's what the show's become. It's so enormous that you're talking about just a relatively speculative cast list. But I think it's, you know, it is, it is, listen, the final cast list is not a million miles from this. It really, really isn't. All the names have not yet been revealed. I will say that. But yeah, it's right in the middle of our popular culture and it's great. And that's to be celebrated. I always think.

And you know, Christmas in Paradise, Jeff Faken, celebrity traitors, I mean what a rich culture we have. What a cultural web we have woven. We are very very lucky to live in these times, I'll say that. Any recommendations this week? Race across the world, sorry. Oh it's back, talking of brilliant in the middle of our culture. Absolutely, begin, get into it. It's just started and they drop it now once a week, I think. Is that right? Yes. Yeah. And they tell such beautiful stories on that as well. And they really, they paste them out. Every time you're like, what an interesting idea for a pairing. It's really, really, anyway, so get into that if you feel like it. I'm going to double up on that recommendation. I think it's absolutely terrific. Marina,

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