The Rest Is Entertainment - Kylie Minogue, Sherlock Holmes & Venezuela Fury

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

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Apply today at careers.timhorins.ca. Hello and welcome to this episode of the rest is entertainment questions and answers edition. I'm Marina hi. And I'm Richard Osman. Hello everybody. Hello, Marina. Hello, Richard. How are you? I'm very, very well. Should we get it straight on with our questions? We should. We've got a lot of questions. We're going to start with the Kylie documentary.

Oh, I love the Kylie documentary. Yes, I know you love the Kylie documentary. Miranda Reynolds and various others actually want to know. Watching the Kylie Netflix documentary, one of the most striking things is all the incredible use of archive footage. It made me wonder who's capturing all of that material at the time and who was thinking about its future value. Is there now a more conscious effort to preserve those moments properly knowing they could become

hugely valuable years later. It's very true actually. There's an amazing archive in that. I'm always amazed sometimes when you watch stuff from that kind of era and there's lots of archive because it wasn't an era where we were going around with mobile phones and filming everything. It was the last era when we weren't doing that. And I think any filmmaker who stumbles across, that's why you can do a three-parter

about Kylie because you discover that that exists. If you're Asif Kapady or someone, your whole job is you take stuff that was on television or on film and you put all that together. But if you can find a subject, who has unseen personal footage that makes for an incredible documentary because you really see a human side of that. We talked to Michael Hart, who's the director and editor of this. Congratulations, Michael. Brilliant job.

And thank you for replying as well. And he said a lot of it, a lot of the footage you see on that was taken by Kylie's brother, Brendan. There's lots of it as well that Kylie's done herself and there's stuff with Kylie and Jason on holidays. It's really kind of up close and personal stuff. But he said, yes, they were filming it. I think they were filming it in sort of the same way that lots of families just film things. Yeah, it was family, it's family home movies, as it were. Yeah, and I'm sure...

Now, everything is so cynically preserved. But there was an innocence then, but I don't think you're doing it. I think that's right. I'm absolutely certain a bit of them were thinking something extraordinary is happening in our family, something extraordinary is happening to our sister. It would be nice to document this. But I think not so we could do a documentary on Netflix in 20 years time. Well, that's what Adam Carter saw, says.

that the most use, footage stops becoming useful after, once the smartphone comes along because people are so aware of being filmed and they're performing, and you don't have the sense that you're just being given a backstage glimpse. It's much more like it's a performance. But funny enough, lots and lots of bands have lots of footage of themselves, I think because it's quite boring being in a band.

And if you're a musician, usually you have a slightly technical bent as well. So there's usually somebody, you know, Swade for years and there was a very good Swade documentary made by Mike Christie, which is on Sky. And Simon, the drummer, had just filmed everything for years and years and years. And, you know, I think lots of bands have someone like that. To pass the time. Because there's a lot of waiting.

Well, I think also, you know, you're living through sort of a golden era with friends and you're doing something that you never imagined you would be doing and is sort of extraordinary and you want to document that. And so long as this one person in your band or in your entourage or in your crew who is doing that, then that footage exists. But I do think, Adam Curtis's worries aside, I mean the documentaries they're going to be making in 15 years time about stuff that's happening now, I mean, the footage is going to be insane. And so it's just in terms of, but yeah, maybe it's all kind of. Maybe it's all been put out there.

That's the thing. People are making a documentary, ordinary people who are not remotely famous, make documentaries about their lives every single day and put it on TikTok or shorts or whatever it is. I've also said I have a business idea, which is, you know, if you go to a school nativity play. A school nativity play is probably the most covered theatrical production in the whole of history because you've essentially got an ISO camera on every single performer, including in the course, including every single one of the sheep. Every single actor is being covered by an individual camera. So you just get all that footage together.

And you imagine the edit of a nativity play. Every single reaction shot you want is already there. No retakes. You've got everything. Have you got Shepard 7 just at the end of this side? Oh, yeah, I've got Shepard Seven. Sheppard Seven's dad has recorded it. So what you want to do is make a very, very high production values company where everyone pulls their footage and then you create.

A super cut of, yeah, of children's sensitivity plays. It feels like that feels like a multi-billion dollar industry. This is like your one about removing tattoos. Yes, I mean, you would be very diversified if you pursued all these plans. What was my thing about removing tattoos? That would make a lot of money. If you've developed a thing to faultlessly and removed tattoos, Oh, that's true.

Yeah. But that feels like something I couldn't do because I would have to work out how to do that. I'd love to see you in the gallery on Underfifty and bring up the shepherd. Yes. I would actually just like to watch that. But thank you so much, Michael Hart. I know we've recommended the Kylie documentary before, but if you haven't seen it, really, really is terrific stuff. But yeah, the archive stuff, it really, really makes it.

It feels very real and personal. Funny enough, Michael Hart is saying that Kylie had seen almost none of the footage before the final edit. Because, again, likes lots of stuff. We don't watch back, especially if we're sort of on a tour and people are filming and filming. So it was the first time she'd seen a lot of that footage. The Paul McCartney Man on the Run documentary about his time with Wings or with Linda and the beautiful place up in Scotland. So we're watching this thing and it's beautiful, but loads and loads of home video stuff. Again, there's always someone hanging around a band who's filming stuff.

But so many people were sort of just turning and watching Paul watching because he's watching, you know, himself. And, you know, that's what I love all those documentaries now always do the, they show people the footage of them at the time and watch their reactions. I love all that. But I can't remember who I was going with that. But that's the end of that question. Thank you so much, Miranda. Chloe Wright has a question for you, Marina. I know you've had prep time on this because I thought you would absolutely love it.

Chloe says, after the success of the BBC's The Other Bennett Sister, what overlooked character from a classic novel would you like to see get their own show next? That, Chloe, is a great question. It's a brilliant question and I obsessed about it to the point where I had to stop myself obsessing about it. Because the other Bennett sister essentially takes a very, very minor character. Mary Bennett, he should want the sort of least developed of all the Bennett sisters in Pride and Prejudice. And it imagines a whole universe for her. We've recommended this show before, but it's brilliant, it's on iPlayer. And they're actually saying, oh, there's lots of people that we can do.

They are actually saying the producers of that, Bad Wolf, were saying, there's lots of other people that we can sort of draw out of the shadows of these books. And obviously, famously, this has been done with lots of, you know, like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead. There are so many Shakespearean ones you could do. I was trying to think what other ones have I actually read that were really, obviously the wide cell gaseauce, Gene Reese's novel about Mrs. Rochester, you know, like her sort of prequel to Jane Eyre. And the Flashman novels, I mean, Flashman is, in Tom Brown's school days, the George McDonnell Fraser Flashman books, Flashman's the bully.

And you know that line that people say, oh, all villains are just victims whose stories haven't yet been told. The freshman becomes the hero and he has these amazing swashbuckling adventures. But thinking of ones that sort of haven't been done, I did a top of three. I don't know how to do it. You see, you've broken me. Oh, here we go. Literally everyone's got their fingers crossed here. Okay, at number three.

Oh, we go. That's a pleasant surprise. I thought, although she's not that minor, but there's something about her that's brilliant. In a portrait of a lady, Henry James novel, Isabel Archer's friend, Henrietta Stackpole, who's actually sort of amazing because it's, well, whatever it is, it's the late 1800s. And she is an example of the new woman. She is a reporter for the New York interviewer.

And she's so sort of modern and she's got a great reparty. I would like to hear more from Henrietta Sackpool, I have to say. But she's not a tiny part. So I'm thinking of like, okay, these people who have really small parts. I thought, someone I've always really been fascinated by in the Great Gatsby is our eyes. And we see him so little. Nick Caro meets him in the library at one of Gatsby.

party and he's parties and he's the one who says look at this whole library he went to trouble of getting all these books but actually they haven't been cut the pages haven't been cut so he and so he sees things and in some way he's like a sort of analog for nick carroway he's also the only other person who goes to the funeral and i just find him fascinating you don't know much about him but he's he could see through it all as well and maybe because actually nick carrow is much more involved as you know how that character is you're not quite sure how complicit is he is in lots of these things. Our lies I think would be interested.

But then because I recently re-read the secret history because I wanted to listen to the book club, our fellow Girlhanger podcast, the book club's episode on it, which was brilliant. And I re-read it and I thought there is a character in that which you will probably remember. She's called

Judy Poevie. She's kind of maddening and very annoying. She's also Californian but she's sort of like a comic foil really in some ways. She's a costume design major, I roll, okay. But actually there's a really interesting sidebar on that, which I'm going to get to in a second,

because there was a costume, there was only one costume design major at Bennington when Donna Tart went there, and she was someone called Michelle Matland. I don't think she's, anyway, she ended up being the costume designer on the succession. And so many people have said, I'm so sorry, this is barely disguised as all,

GDP is her, whatever, who knows. But I'd forgotten at the end of the secret history as an epilogue of what happens to some of these genuinely very minor characters. And Judy Peevy Gistera becomes an aerobics instructor. Okay, so I'm like, okay, so I'm thinking, okay, I've got to create a character here that I want to say. It's the 90s. Yeah. She's a nerobics queen in L.A.

Hopefully she hasn't given up all her bad habits, i.e. major cocaine use. I sort of see Judy Peev solving crying. She's because she's funny. And I think she, by the way, I think she'd have worked it out in the secret history. I think she'd have worked it out giving them a bit more time. in a tiny bit more proximity. There's something savant about her. And I would see her solving crimes

in a story of a week thing. Because her idiotic monologues are very funny. But I actually, she is sharp and observant in other ways. And I sort of feel like she could be like a zealic type or Forrest Gump type solver of crimes. Moving through the world. Yeah, move through the world. Somehow, actually her presence does resolve the crime.

And then she's like, oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. And the fact that she's a costume designer, maybe very good disguises. Yeah. She's an aerobics instructor, so I would like it to be like a... But she was a costume design major. She was, but she becomes an aerobics instructor.

But she's still got the skills. Yeah, but if it's in the 90s, she's going to be at that interface of the kind of wellness culture, also lots of illicit activity in LA. She could explore a particular type of that underground, and I just think it would be, I think it would be funny. And so that's my show for Judy Poevie. I just have a show. It could be a novel, but I slightly see it as a story of the weak detective show.

If Donna Tart is listening or if someone draws this to her attention, let's talk. Yeah. Don't you think? I can't even imagine the height of our eye roll. But however, Judy Poohy is a cult character. I promise you, people are obsessed with Judy Poohy. The least Donna could do is give you a meeting. Yeah.

Just like, you know, I'd like to hear her now. My only rule in novels is when I have my favorite thing about writing novels is bringing new characters in. It's like, I'm not interested in ciphers or anything like that. They're never there to move the plot along. They're like, oh, who would be funny to move in? And I always, always go, could you write a novel about this character? Even if they've got four lines, you think, I think there's in one of the books like, they say, if you followed these two people home, what would that story be?

And I always think that. What would the story be? What would the novel be with these characters in it? And that's a, I always think there's a good writing tip as well. That's a very good way of doing it. Yeah. Should we go to an advert? Let's go to an advert.

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this is a disease that is disappearing in younger women in the UK. This is something that I really hope my daughters will never have to deal with. For more information about Cancer Research UK, their research, breakthroughs and how you can support them, visit cancerresearchukuk.org forward slash rest is science. Welcome back, everybody. We're now in the realms of Sherlock Holmes adaptations. Vikram Khan has a question. Anola Holmes 3 is on its way. Rafe Spall's going to be Sherlock in a Sky adaptation next year, and I've just seen that a new Moriarty series is in the works. Yes, this begs the question,

is Sherlock the most played character in film history, and why has he endured so long? Why has he endured? I mean, we know why there's so many adaptations, and that's because he's out of copyright, so anyone can do him. He's got that sort of Judy Peavy thing, funnily enough, which is if you have,

it's funny, I was talking to someone, you know, the thing with Sherlock is, is, you have to use him quite sparingly because he's so good. Yeah. You know, he absolutely, the problem with someone, he's so brilliant, he can solve things immediately. So if you read those Sherlock Holmes, because a lot of the time is how do we keep Sherlock out of the way? Yes.

So Sherlock is often, you know, in a, in some sort of, you know, drug-induced stupor, or, you know, he's off on the continent having to sort of track someone else down because the second he puts his mind to a case, that case gets solved. But that aside, having someone who is brilliant but troubled, and putting them at heart of a crime drama is something that every sort of crime writer enjoys doing, which is what. So everyone loves to get their hands on Sherlock Holmes.

They can do different versions of him. Because, again, he's slightly absent on the page, which means you can really colour him in if you're a filmmaker. We did a little bit of research, and Sherlock Holmes is not the most played character in movies. I've got a top 10 for you. Right, number seven, we've got her.

No, number 10, Frankenstein. Okay. Yeah. Frankenstein, young Frankenstein, bride of Frankenstein. I could go on. Number nine, young guy may have heard of him, Robin Hood. Yeah.

Yeah. Number eight, Napoleon. Right. This is going to be like the mob land executive producers list, isn't it? Yeah, no chicks on this. You don't want to see any chicks on this. These are not all fictional, by the way. So Napoleon did exist.

He's just been played a lot. And again, he's out of copyright, as we all will be one day. Tell me some more great guys. I will. I was going to say, well, listen, so he's real. Number seven, we go fictional again. James Bond. He's real.

Jimmy Bond. Yeah. Yeah. Number six, Sherlock Holmes. So he's the sixth most portrayed character on screen. We've got a top five people thinking, who's in this top five? Holmes is six. Number five, Father Christmas.

So again, real. We have a real character. A real man from history. Number four, we are real again. Abraham Lincoln. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I remember Lincoln.

Yeah. I guess I've seen them. In their country, though, he'll never be off. Oh, in their country. In their country, they'll never be off. Yeah, which is America. Top three, I've got a new game show, real or not real. Number three, the devil.

Okay. It's been portrayed an awful lot. Yeah. Number two, listen, you can guess who number one is that the devil is number three. I love that there's someone in between those two. And number two is Dracula. Yeah. So the devil is number three.

Dracula is number two. And number one, we're counting them as one person, which, I mean... I don't believe it's deologically controversial, but... Yeah. God slash Jesus. They're all part of the God. Number one. The Holy Spirit is there, but it's hard to put on screen. Yeah, exactly.

The Holy Trinity, essentially, are and is number one. So, yeah, Sherlock Holmes is only number six behind Father Christmas. Gosh, I'm surprised Lincoln's in there. I'm thrilled for Dracula. Well deserved. Do you know what? What a great character. I wonder, if anyone is done, just reading

through that list if anyone has done Father Christmas solving crime. I wonder if, because he's got all the skills for it. Please don't give another of your great Netflix holiday movie ideas away, live on air, but that is a good one. Father Christmas solving crime. Yeah. So it's Santa Claus.

I'll think of a pun. Yeah, I was thinking, why haven't we got there yet? But we will do it. Something about a sleigh or elves. There'll be something. Yeah, that feels like a hit. Yeah. Because he can go around the world.

He can get into places. Like everyone welcomes him. and if someone doesn't welcome him, you know they're evil. The amazing family guy episode with Stewie and Brian and Father Christmas is one of the great works of any art form in any century, I would say. But yeah, Father Christmas Solving Crime, there we go. Thank you for the question, Vikram. We've only got two series out of the last two questions. We've got the Judy Poovy Mysteries and we've got Father Christmas solving crime.

Yeah. I like both of them. Yeah. But I can actually see both of them happening. Talking of some of the greatest characters in the history of the world, Marina, a question for you from Aruba Rage. Oh my God, that's the best name ever. That's a good name. Suddenly we've got three series.

Yeah. Because whoever Aruba rage is, we're writing a character. Aruba asks. Again. Again. Listen, yeah. Hold on. Oh, I see Aruba Rage.

I see what she's done. She's done. Yeah. It's a nomad plume. Yeah. Because she's asking about Venezuela. Fury. Aruba rage, Venezuela Fury. Why is Venezuela Fury suddenly everywhere? I feel like I can't breathe in the direction of a tabloid without reading her name. Will the family have struck a secret

deal with the press to make this happen? Why do tabloids latch on to certain people like this? Okay, very good, Aruba, not your real name. Venezuela Fury is the daughter of, if you've been under a rock and had some somehow misses. She's the daughter of Tyson Fury and his wife, Paris. She's 16, she's just got married. Netflix have got a show called At Home with the Furies, which she's sort of part of. I totally agree she has just blown up recently in a really big way. So they've had the wedding and the honeymoon. There's, okay, there's a number of reasons for this. First of all, I think obviously when you're going to get a wedding and they're going to be able to see pictures and all of that and they put a lot on social media. A whole family is always good because we all really know

like the Fury IP as it were. You've got all sorts of dynamics, mini-fuge, feuds you can confect. Tommy Fury of Molly Mae and Tom Tommy Fury fame is Venezuela's uncle. Tomy Fury is married to Molly May, so they've got all of that stuff. Are they back together? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No way. Oh, my God.

Hello, is it last year? Yes, Tommy Fury and Molly May are back together? Are they? Yeah. She took him back. Get out of town. Oh, my gosh. After what he did.

You don't know what he did. No, I suppose I don't. Right. So we don't know what you did. I watched the boxing. Yeah. That's about as far as I go with the Furies. Well, with Venezuela, the story's very interesting.

She's very young. She's 16. you know, they've been on this 30,000 pound honeymoon that we keep being told of and there's been lots of pictures of that and they've come straight back from it and moved into their first house

which is not a house is a caravan. And she's moved out of the Tyson Fury's big house, he's now worth hundreds of millions. So I think people think that there's lots in the story. But I would say that there is a sort of market decision here.

The market decides, will there be sufficient supply of Venezuela's a Fury, in which case you can create the demand? People who make themselves available. When I, as I've said before, my first job was in journalism, which I didn't even mean to go into. I was answering, I used to answer the phone on the showbiz desk at the sun. And I learned then how many people who were in the papers, or as we called it then, but

are in the media, wants to be in the media. And it is extraordinary. People are now, you can tell people who would like, she would obviously like a show. She's obviously seen that her and her husband could have a show. Maybe it's, you know, something about Noah and Venezuela and they can. What does he do, Noah? So a husband is called Noah Price. He is 19 and he's an amateur boxer. I'm going to shock you. I'm going to shock you out here.

It's tough to be a boxer in that family, isn't it? Yeah. I think they want to be online. They put a lot online. But I remember being on that desk at the sun and just, I can tell you, the people who would ring in and say stories about their own lives. My God, I mean, I'm going to totally disguise this because I remember an, oh my God, I remember some.

There were two people really famous. Why don't you say the name? And we'll beat the name out. There were two people really famous. They were having an affair with each other, and she rang in. I think they'd been on the Coke all night, and he'd finally ended it. And she rang in the morning in a real state and said, I've been having an affair with him for however many years. It didn't run in this exact format, by the way.

And I've been having an affair with how many years. I think she was trying to bounce him into, like, once it was exposed, he would, that his wife would chuck him out, but it didn't happen in the end. But I remember thinking the level of detail being provided here is extraordinary. And definitely we now live in an era where people just want to be a particularly sort of influencer level. The male who've covered this particularly male online, they've now got lots of people who just cover influencers. And almost traditional celebrities, as it were, have become less interesting because people feel... Well, they're harder to research.

They're so much harder to research. These people are putting lots of their lives online. We've talked before about Tatulife and all those sort of scurrilous sites that love the idea that these people are for. fraudulent in some way. So there's always a sort of like, this is what she put online, but this is the actual truth of her life. And you can already see them starting with. And is there a sense that there is a genuine quid pro quo now that they can report on it because they are so visible. Yeah, I suppose there was people always used to say in the old days, oh, you've sold your story to okay for this and that.

Now you can't be annoyed when you can't just turn the tap on and off for publicity. And that has been democratized hugely, not that many people were in a position to be interesting enough to get a big budget magazine deal. Everyone can put what they like online about themselves and seemingly do. And I would definitely say that, that, yeah, she's blown up for a reason. People think there'll be lots of stories in her.

She is blowing herself up. She's putting herself out there. And there are all these correspondents now who used to cover traditional celebrities and now have completely pivoted to covering influences because that's where the interest is. That's where they think

there'll be more stories that you'll be able to expose. And it's just, it's a total. new dynamic and these people are much more, they're much better copy as it were than writing about, I don't know, Natalie Portman. But you're always looking for new celebrities. Yeah. But ones that will deliver. Yeah. On ones that will deliver on drama, on mess, on, just will be available to you because I'm afraid nobody really leaves the office anymore. It's all done of people's social media feeds. And it has been for a long, long time. First of all, it used to be who does what on Twitter or

Instagram, who follows, who doesn't unfollow, and things. It's not going out and knocking on doors and talking to people and meeting nightclub barman and whatever it is. And none of it comes from that anymore. It's all completely office-bound this job. And also, if you're made online or the son or whoever, every single story they're putting out about Venezuela Fury, they will immediately see the impact of that. The numbers will be coming back and the numbers presumably are very high. Yeah, people will probably want to read about her.

Yeah. And as I say, there's the whole family. There's lots of potential for different things. So she's a good character. Yeah. I think people sometimes don't recognize the difference between a story that will run and a story that won't. You could write the biggest story in the world about someone uninteresting

and you would get no clicks. You could write a tiny minor story about Venezuela Fury. And you see what it brings in immediately. She's been off a wedding dress designer. You would believe what it would get. Yeah. But that's why suddenly someone is everywhere because people are clicking and clicking and and clicking.

And in the old days they say, look, they sell papers. That was slightly harder to work out who was selling. in the papers and who wasn't because you're buying a whole thing. But now you can literally see every single click on every single article. You can, but I do also believe that you create the market. And some of it is born of laziness. If people put themselves out there a lot, then you're just going to invest as a reporter in those ones because there's going to be a steady stream of stuff that you can write

and talk about. And people who are actually quite withdrawn, there's less and less about them. It's amazing. Some of the, you know, even the biggest pop stars in the world, there's actually relatively little that you hear about sort of Harry Stiles or Taylor Swift because they don't put anything out there particularly there's pictures of them going out to dinner

but there's... So the articles are very different. Yeah. Yeah. Speculative articles rather than yes. Exactly. And also there's something to be said for having a brilliant name. Yeah. I mean... I mean, I think it's an under-examined part of our culture that Tyson Fury was called

Tyson Fury and became the World Heavyweight Boxing Champion. I mean, that's unbelievable. That's so perspicacious of John Fury. How are you John Fury and you're calling your son Tyson? And then suddenly you've got a granddaughter called Venezuela. They've gone from John to Venezuela in two generations. That's ambition. Yeah, isn't it just?

But the second, if she was called Jane Fury, then people would go, oh, okay, oh, who's that, is that Tyson Fury? But being called Venezuela Fury, people are immediately, okay, give me more. You should be careful. When you name your kids, have a little think about their Instagram handles in a few years time. Bolivia would be a nice name. Surin Arm for a boy. I'm going to call my father Christmas thing Santa Lores.

And his catchphrase is, you've been St. Nicked. Disney, give me a ring. Judy Poohy, again, that's all comers can come in for that. But we need to talk to Dona Tars about that first. Yes, yes. Although I have got some ideas. Yes. And I have now as well.

I think that's just done. Your amazing series with James Kanekosurian continues tomorrow for our members. If you want to be a member, it's the rest of the entertainment at gollhanger.com. And you're talking about whether everything's become generic, whether we've all become basic. But it's a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant series. If you haven't tuned in, you must do. Next week, our Q&A will not be your questions for us. It will be our questions to Stephen Spielberg, I think, is coming out next week, isn't it?

Out of it? Yeah, I had of him. But before that, of course, we'll have a regular episode. So we'll see you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday. Hey y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder, what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up?

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