The Rest Is Entertainment - Marina and Richard's Biggest Ever Argument

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

What is the ideal number of films to watch in a year? Child actors can earn a fortune, but who looks after, and protects their money? Is reality TV too woke? 

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three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that overdeliver. Hello, and welcome to this episode of the Rest is Entertainment Questions and Answers edition. I'm Marina Hyde. And I'm Richard Osmo. Hi, Marina. Hello, Richard. We are parted. I dislike it, but I'm Marina Hyde. And I'm Richard Osmond. Hi Marina. Hello Richard. We are parted. I dislike it but I'm happy to see you. I have to make a hundred episodes of House of Games. I know I love it. I love it. You struggle for us. Yeah. Yeah I enjoy it very much and they've been really really good fun this time. We just we had a great day today. What are we talking about today

in our Q&A? Have you got one for me? I have a question from Az, surname to be fitted by you, I assume. I'm going to call him as in the plastic population. The only way is up. Very good. Okay. As on the plastic population says, do you think that reality TV can survive woke the general consensus he or she thinks is that it's moving in a kind of more kind of positive direction and that everything's a more wholesome and it's not the kind of nasty place of before. Weirdly, reality TV is one of those hilarious things that people go, it's not about reality though is it?

And funny enough I've always thought reality TV shows are reality far more than documentary of the 1960s. I think that my view has always been, you know, if you're making Big Brother, if you're making anything, I want nice people on. That's always, that's the kind of TV producer I am. If you do reality shows with nice people, you tend to do incredibly well. If you look at Bake Off, if you look at the success of Traitors and Race Across the World and things like that, absolutely the nicer people that you can have on television, the better. But there's loads of,. Absolutely, the nicer people that you can have on television, the better.

But there's loads of American TV shows, the Real Housewives type shows, in fact, the American Traitors, they are very much more backstabby. They have people in it, you just think, oh, we need characters, we need drama, we need conflict. And so I'm not quite sure what as means by woke, but certainly I think that we go through spells in reality TV

and we want drama and we want difficult people and we want all those things. But actually, anytime someone comes up with a reality show where people have seen that their best, those shows tend to really, really, really break through cable channels and smaller channels can get away with those sort of backbitey type shows where people want all of that drama. get away with those sort of backbitey type shows where people want all that drama. But if you want a big mainstream reality television program, it's really, really in your interest to cast it with people who people are going to end up loving and people who've got interesting stories and people who have great relationships with other people. You can have the odd villain and lots of shows have and have deliberately chosen the odd

villain. But shows with sort of 10 villains, I mean. But even in the villainy, no, so if you watch the American Traitors, which I happen to love, and everyone in that is sort of a villain, because they're American, they do it in such a knowing way. They know the game that they are playing. And so actually, it's not the kind of naked villainy that we used to see kind of, you know, 1520 years ago, when reality TV really was the Wild West, and it was, you know, a voyage to the bottom. So, you know, I think voice to

the bottom, that's a good name for a reality show. I think that reality TV, however you want to define what reality TV is, always, always thrives on showing the best of people. You know, I watched something like Glow Up on BBC3 and I have no idea what they're talking about at any point. Everyone on that show is like 18 to 24 and every kind of guest judge comes on, they go, and our guest judge this week, and they'll just name a musician or an influencer you have never heard of and the whole cast is

in absolute floods of tears that this person is in their room they literally can't believe it so I have no idea what that show is I have no idea of what's going on on that show most of the time but what I can tell is they've got nice people on it and what I can tell is they've got people who are supportive of each other on it and of course there's tears and of course there's different things but humanity is the thing that I think reality TV is very good at showing authenticity which is now the absolute biggest currency of the 21st century thanks to reality TV I like it when we show authentically kind

and nice people that's the thing that I like and ratings would suggest that so do lots of other people. I have a question for you Marina from Molly Coker. Thanks for the certainly Molly. She says, I sometimes find myself falling asleep with extremely really long credits rolling at the start of a movie. What's the longest ever starting credits to a movie and is there any point in them being so long besides vanity? Well, that's interesting, Molly, because I actually think that in general, end credits have 100% got longer, probably by more than 100% past few years, over a recent decade and a half, because there's more and more post-production involved and there's just

like thousands of people toiling away in the VFX mines and things like that. So when you would see those Marvel movies, they would put mid-credits sequences in and then end-credits sequence. And you really had to wait around in the cinema for those. On television, yes, sometimes you think, even though I love this theme tune or they've changed the theme tune slightly, how long am I going to get through the White Lotus titles? But there's so many different people.

In television, you see that a lot. There's lots of different reasons for that. Everyone wants credit. Sometimes they want credit whether they're in that episode or not. These things are hugely fought over by agents. How many people's names? Does your name appear on screen on its own or are you sharing a card as they call it? If you're on above the credits, if you're in the first bit rather than the last bit,

that's a huge negotiating thing for any agent. Oh, it's massive. You could almost knock off some of your fee to say that you have your own card at the start of a show. Your name is there by itself. Or even with somebody, if you were at the start, because if you watch any show, you think,

okay, there were 50 actors in that, and there are seven names at the beginning, maybe. Sometimes it might be eight names or whatever it is. And that is not, they've just haven't just gone, oh, let's go down the cast list and put the first eight names in. That is just such huge negotiations from every agent and every actor saying, no, the name has to be upfront. Absolutely has to be upfront. And it's one of the most contentious things because the shorter the credits, the better if you're a filmmaker. But if you things because the shorter the credits, the better, if you're a filmmaker,

but if you're someone involved in that show, the longer the credits, the better. There's another thing which the sort of, the pre-title sequence is the bit before you see the title of the movie. And some things like, I don't know, The Pink Panther or James Bond have always had really intricate ones of those.

And there are some movies that you don't even see any titles. Some of those are real sort of pub trivia questions. There's a Dennis Hopper movie called The Last Movie. Oh my God, which by the way would be such, I mean, that would be a bonus episode. I don't know if you ever know the story. You've probably never seen it. The story of it is absolutely wild. Okay, but that's a good, it's a good story.

It's like a meta-Western. Dennis Hopper directs it. I mean, quite a lot of people get involved in it. Phil Spector becomes involved. All these other people become involved in it. But anyway, that had 30 minutes of film before you saw the title on screen. But even things like The Departed,

that comes in quite late, I think. But that might be about 20 minutes. It started to look modern, where they did the movie, you know, you actually saw a cold open and stuff happened. And there's a longest day, it was like a John Wayne, it's a war movie and they put, they had nothing. They just started the movie and then the credits were all at the end and people thought it was really, Citizen Kane, he just, which I watched the opening of that movie about once a month, the title just comes on and that's it.

Talk me through why you watched the beginning of Citizen Kane once a month. The title just comes on and that's it. Talk me through why you watched the beginning of Citizen Kane once a month. I love it. I just think it's so, I just love it. I find it such a mood. The beginning? The whole movie is great. The shots all through the gates, him dying and the snow globe falling and him saying, Rosebud, oh my God, I absolutely love it. And all the stuff and the animals that are around it, the menagerie, it's such a mood anyway. But you can see that that was regarded, Orson Welles, people thought that was really modern because it said Citizen Kane and that was it. And they used to be much longer, the ones that stopped. But I have to say, I just genuinely think that television ones are really, really

long now, but most people watch them, I watch them once to see what's the vibe, because they'll have obviously done something amazing with the titles. Unless it's something like Succession where I really loved it, I thought the music was so great, then I just watch it every time. And also I used to like it that they would change the headlines going around ATN and stuff like that, so there would always be stupid kind of Easter eggs hidden in there. Yeah, in general, a lot of people skip intro for the once they've done it once, but it does create a mood, doesn't it?

I mean, I always want to see what they've done with it. But it's always worth thinking about the politics of the thing when you see names before a show and you think about who's in that thing. If it's alphabetical, that's interesting because that's been negotiated by somebody. If someone just has their name left to the end, then it's like, okay, it was alphabetical, but then we say, and Robert De Niro. Because Robert De Niro's agent is saying he ain't going alphabetical but then we say and Robert De Niro. You think because Robert De Niro's agent is saying he ain't going alphabetical. He's not the lead, he's doing a really small supporting thing but you're going to acknowledge that he's Robert De Niro by using the and okay and that's

just how we're playing it today. Bobby don't do alphabetical. The other thing now of course is the negotiation about whose name is still on screen when you have pressed skip intro because if you see at the end of a skip intro, there will usually still be two names on screen, which are maybe the director and maybe the writer. But that's a huge place to be because you cannot skip those people. You can skip everyone else, but you can't skip them. Now, this is a really good one by Calvin Kaplan. A great name.

Good name, Calvin. We're going to have to get into question though. Respect. My wife and I have been watching the first series of Adam Richman Eats Britain and we have questions about logistics of food reality TV. Do they generally have to shut down the restaurants for filmings? The kitchens don't look nearly as hectic as the bear. What does?

And do they get compensated? Calvin would also like to know. Calvin, it's a great question. I love Adam Richman. I love all of his Man vs Food and all sorts of things that he did. So I thought actually when this question came in, rather than answering it myself, because I do not know the answer, I thought I would ask Adam Richman. So Calvin and wife Adam Richman himself is answering your question. Here he is.

So here's the deal. You know like one size fits all approach and it varies from show to show, country to country, location to location. I can say from my own standpoint and in my own show, number one, I have never and would never ask for money from a restaurant in order to film there. I think a lot of these places are mom and pop shops that don't have a budget for marketing and I would rather elevate them. And I believe high tide should float all boats. So no, no one's ever paid me to film somewhere. Sometimes a place will have an ancillary prep kitchen

that's not their main kitchen so that it could just be me and the chef at a relaxed pace. But many times that's not an option. So sometimes what we'll do is the crew will grab the B-roll very early in the morning and then I'll come in and we'll film but sometimes there's no way around it. All right, thank you. That's a good, that's a great answer from Adam.

Thank you so much, Adam. It's much appreciated and just in case anyone's wondering b-roll is essentially those cutaways of kind of steaks frying and you know people tossing onions and people just diners, the stuff that doesn't involve the host and you sort of cut in to the edit. So that's the B-roll he's talking about. But I love that. Thank you so much.

That's much appreciated. And I hope that answered your question perfectly. Right, thank you, Covent. Shall we now go to a break? Yeah, come on. answered your question perfectly. Right, thank you, Kevin. Shall we now go to a break? Yeah, come on. This podcast is brought to you by Sky, where you can watch season three of And Just Like That, the next chapter in the Sex and the City story.

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Welcome back everybody. Marina, a question for you from Harriet Bateson. Harriet says, I'm obsessed with Stranger Things. I was wondering what happens to the money child actors get paid? Do their parents get the money? Who are the best paid child actors? Oh, right. Well, I mean, we know from entertainment history is that sometimes their parents take the money, whether they should do or not. The Stranger Things children, the sort of quartet of the boys, Finn Wolfhard, Gaten Matarazzo, Noah Schnapp, and Caleb McLaughlin, they, for seasons one and two,

which, you know, you do your deal for seasons one and two, they got $25,000 per episode. By season three, this is a real entertainment story, by the way, always, if you get to season three, everyone is a real entertainment story by the way, always if you get to season three, everyone's contracts go nuts in American television. And they then were earning about $250,000 an episode. So it was 10 times as much. That is a lot of panini stickers. It's not clear how much exactly Millie Bobby Brown gets, but I think she was on a million

an episode. She's got to some sort of overall deal with Netflix, so it's not entirely clear how the money works there. And they're very, very secretive about what they pay her, but she's a huge star for Netflix. But then, you know, there are all those stories where Drew Barrymore got a million for ET, and by the time she was about 14, she was earning millions. That little boy in Young Sheldon,

he got $30,000 per episode for season one, but by the end of season five, I think he was on much more than a million per season. But there are laws to deal, which by the way are not at all always observed in the US for dealing with child actor fees. Children have to get a minimum of 50% of all adult minimum fees and payments, rather than saying, yeah, we're going to give Winona a ride of this. She's in it a lot less than you, but sorry boys in Stranger Things. Here's some pocket money and an ice cream and some Panini stickers. So I think that it's 15% or something has to be put into something called a Kugen account.

Oh yeah. I would never put any money into a Kugen account, because I never know what it would get spent on. You have no idea what it could be spent on. But anyway, that's a special trust account and it's supposed to be held till the child turns 18. Yeah, does that come from Jackie Coogan? He played alongside Charlie Chaplin and I think even in those days he had earned $4 million and it was all spent by his mother and stepfather and he had absolutely nothing

left. There are all sorts of rules, by the way, governing child actors and they have to have chaperones and they have to have certain breaks built in that you wouldn't necessarily have to have with adult actors and if your school attendance is affected by work then they've got to put a tutor in place. By the way, another reason we should be talking about this anyway because it's really interesting is that they've got their three children for the HBO Harry Potter. They've announced the casting of Harry, Ron and Hermione. Now that production, everything I'm hearing about it is absolutely crazy. They're building effectively pretty much a school because there's so many children on set for something like that. And as I always say, you can expand Leavesden seemingly infinitely every time I ever go

and work on a new thing there. It's a former airfield and they just like double it in size. So I guess, yeah, they're going to have a school. So that's interesting anyway, but the first Harry, Ron and Hermione, I think they got a million dollars each for the first Harry Potter movies. But obviously it does go wrong and people's parents rip them off like Jackie Coogan's parents did. Macaulay Culkin took his parents from home alone, he took his parents' name off his trust

and found an executor and then everyone said he's divorced his parents, which I think he felt was not technically what had happened. Many of these children end up absolutely hating their parents. Aaron Carter, I think he'd made something like $200 million before he was 18, but he owed a huge amount of taxes, he was declared bankrupt, his parents didn't put the required amount of money in his Google account. There's so many dreadful stories. I don't know if you've ever seen this thing. My daughter's watched this a load of times. She was in iCarly and-

Yes, I remember iCarly very well from my children's upbringing. Well, Jeanette McCurdy, who was one of the people in that, her book is called I'm Glad My Mum Died. There's a picture of her on the front of it. She's holding an urn and it's like confetti's coming out of it. Anyway, she said it was absolutely dreadful that her mother just forced her to work the entire time. She didn't want to do it. She had terrible eating disorders. She made a show about it.

So there is terrible resentment among some people. Will Wheaton, do you remember Will Wheaton? He's in Stand By Me, Star Trek, Big Bang Theory. But he said, I remember telling my mother every day that I just wanted to be a kid and how would she dismiss it and come up with these ways of saying whatever. Actually, you love doing this. It really reminded me actually when I was watching that documentary about Piper Rockwell, the young YouTube star. I mean, you know, we're seeing it now and you can see it happening almost, I mean, you can see it in these family YouTube things all the time, that the children are the most kind of winsome aspect of it, but the parents are the ones who really want the money.

They should be putting that YouTube money nowadays in a Kugen account, whether or not they do, as we've seen lots of people, it doesn't always happen. But there are supposed to be laws governing it. But the thing about something like YouTube, which sorry, I've gone all around the houses now, but that is so unregulated, and it's just not really watched over. The actual sort of legacy entertainment industry is pretty well regulated. But you can never legislate for the fact that these parents want to put their children on the stage when they probably were not to be and they want to do it for their own financial benefit. But the basic principle is they will get roughly half what an adult actor will get. Yeah, at least.

And that's good money. And obviously the second something is actually a hit and you are a star in it, then actually you're treated like an adult. You'll get whatever money you can get. And to bring it back to Stranger Things, the show is all about the kids. Without them, it's absolutely nothing and they're remunerated accordingly. And no matter how quickly they, how much they grow up, because there's three years between series. I mean, they'll be about 30 when we see the next season, but.

If you look on the Sunday Times rich list and you see, as you see now what Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint are worth, you can work out what they were getting paid by the final Harry Potter movies. It was good money. Deservedly so. And their parents didn't rip them off, which is great. Yeah, absolutely. That's what we like. Our sponsors, Voxel, who are all about embracing a bit of chaos when it comes to a family road trip, have asked us a very apt question, Marina. What is the most chaotic moment you have had on a production? Time for What a Stitch.

Okay, okay, this isn't on an actual production, but it was while I was writing a story during the World Cup once, and the 2006 World Cup and I was sent by my newspaper to the German-Polish border to a service station, which had been the scene of like big fan clashes. What could possibly go wrong here? And I went with this brilliant photographer and we got there and the policeman was there saying, I'll tell you what, when they get here it will kick off basically. It's going to go nuts. Last time these two fans clashed with each other, they did it right here in this car

park and actually they bought their own doctors. Each side bought their own doctors. What couldn't escape our attention was that there was absolutely no one there. It was like tumbleweed only. Also, our transport are packed up and we had to then get back to Berlin. I was thinking, how are we actually going to do this? And who should eventually drive in? I don't know, Furnivox or, but it should have been. Let's say they were. Let's say they were. Was two really lovely, but absolutely nutty Poland fans called Peter and Marius. We were like the things blaring everywhere, all the Polish anthems playing the whole way.

And we had to say to them, I'm so sorry, but we're stuck here and it doesn't seem like there's like a fan battle. Would you mind driving us to Berlin? And they were like, we'd be very happy to. And so I drove all the way listening to absolutely crazy Polish football anthems, all these flags flying everywhere, but they couldn't have been lovelier. So it was chaotic, but they saved us. The perfect road trip. Didn't start like a perfect road trip, but ended like one.

Yeah, so that is just, there you have it, a little insight into how wrong things can go when you're just trying to be in the business of delighting people. Absolutely, and anyone who's planned a family trip knows they can have just as many hiccups. Luckily Voxel's new Frontier is built for just that with storage for days, seven seats for chaos control and tech to keep the drama on screen. Voxel has also teamed up with Disney's Lilo and Stitch which is in cinemas right now doing unbelievable business as well and they are giving you the chance to win a five night off-screen family adventure to Hawaii, the film's iconic setting. Pop into your local Vauxhall

retailer and check out the new Frontera for your chance to win a Hawaiian adventure. And maybe there'll be some Polish football fans there if you're lucky. Right question for you Richard from the absolutely adorably named Honey Clark. Oh great. Honey says my friends and I often have this debate so I wonder what you both think. How many films per year would you say is reasonable for people to be watching? Do not be unreasonable. I typically watch around 300 films a year, but would accept that 52, one per week a year, is reasonable for most people. Anything less than 45 should be a crime. Honey, I love the way you talk like me. less than 45 should be a crime. Honey, I love the way you talk like me. Come your revolution, honey. I'm just executing people for watching 43 films in one year only.

I love the fact that 52 is reasonable, but any less than 45 should be a crime. That's not a big window that he's given us there. What do I think about that? Firstly, I think 300 films a year, I'm going to go on record as saying there's too many, when there's also television programs and sports to watch and outdoors, I suppose you can go out at some point, although I do not recommend it. 300 a year is too many, 52, one a week. Okay. Well, isn't that interesting? Because do we count like really high end television that's two hours long as a film because that's taking up a lot of my film time. I agree. It's difficult, isn't it? But I mean, I think Honey's a cinephile.

Do you think? Yeah. I don't think she's mentioning television at all for a reason. Okay. How many films do people watch a year? Stato. Well, I know that Honey watches 300. I'm feeling that's above average. Because I think we've slightly run out of enough good films to watch 300 a year. So we can absolutely, Honey sounds much younger. So to her, she can watch films from the 90s and they're like kind of, this is like gold.

I've never seen this before. Whereas we've already seen all of those films. But it's definitely true that if you see a good film, we saw one the other day. We got a friend around and she said have you ever seen the edge? have you seen this film the edge with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin and Elle Macpherson is in it and I said not only have I not seen it. I've never heard of it And she said it's written by David Mamet and I think David Mamet is just about our greatest writer ever and I was like Okay, I have never heard of this film It's written by David Mamet and I think David Mamet is just about our greatest writer ever and I was like, okay

I have never heard of this film as anyway We watched that and it was two hours so wonderfully spent is absolutely barking the edge But absolutely loved it And so I do think in this world of box sets and endless sort of high prestige television It's behooves us to go back in the past and watch films we haven't watched because there's so much available. I would say I will take Honey's 52 a year and watch a film a week. Maybe if you're counting cinema and television as well, maybe you could sort of nudge it up to somewhere around 75, maybe something like that. What do you think? What do you think is reasonable? Because Honey wants us to be reasonable above all else. I don't know. They did some research in 2020 and said that the average

British man watches 36 films a year. So all of them have committed crime in honey's court. Yeah. 92% of adults had watched at least one film. Wow. In the past year. I don't know what you do with the 8% honey. I think 72% of adults go to the cinema watch three or more films a year. Okay. That would have been so many though. Well, I, you know, again, I don't see everything in the cinema. And I used to see everything in the cinema.

Yeah. I hardly, I don't see nearly so much in there, like by a huge margin. I used to see everything and would see several a week and that's just gone. Listen, when they put television on in the cinema in my bright golden future, then will that count? Right, 300 is too many, because that's like, what time do you have to watch anything else? How are you watching Interior Design Masters

if you're watching 300 films a year? I'm watching it in the Odeon Leicester Square. I'm having it in one of the good seats. Exactly. And yeah, it's much better than either of their sofas. And yeah, that's why I'm watching Interior Design Masters. So I think if you're watching 300 films a year, honey, I'm just going to do some sums here. Okay. And let's say, so my friends and I often have this debate, how old do we think honey is just from the way from the name and how she's talking? Should we say 26? I think she's 32. You think she's 32. Okay, well I'm 54. So if she has to watch 300 films a year

up to my age, she is going to have to watch... hold on, carry that. Did you say carry that? Yeah, because I'm doing a sum. Wow, you're really taking us inside the action here. Clamber aboard the massulator. Now I write it down. It's actually quite an easy sum. So she is going to have to watch, by the time she's my age, 6,600 films. Okay, and I don't think there are 6,600 good films out there to watch. I just don't think there are. Whereas I do think there's probably, let's say those are two hours each. So we've got something over 13,000 hours. Whereas I think there probably is over 13,000 hours of good content between films and television.

Why can't you just rewatch some stuff? Why don't you just watch The Third Man a few times? Yeah. Why don't you watch the first two minutes of Citizen Kane 50 times? Because there's something about a gate. Not once a week. Something about a gate. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, it's better than interior design masters and that's the end of it. Wow. I know you think that interior design masters is better than Citizen Kane. I know you do.

Of course I think that. I know you do. Shall I tell you who else thinks that? Everyone. Like there's about eight people who think Citizen Kane is better than interior design masters. Oh my god. Like maybe 12 about eight people who think Citizen Kane is better than Interior Design Masters. Like maybe 12. And that is it. I just want to say that we're actually recording, I'm going to draw it back and say that we're

recording in the evening this week and we normally record in the morning. Don't we just? Yeah. And I've had a few drinks. I've had a day of it and I'm on my last nerve. And if you tell me, if you tell me. Right. Right.

A couple of things about Citizen Kane in Citizen Kane at any point does anyone is there like a room? that is like musty and dusty and Could really do with a revamp and is at any point at which that happens. It's a plot point almost yeah, but yeah Yeah, yeah, but it doesn't happen perhaps in the way. I'm so sorry. It doesn't happen perhaps in the way that you'd like Yes, it happens in a boring way. I'm guessing. Whereas, if say in Citizen Kane, they're in Hurst Castle, as you say, and there's a room that needs a revamp, and two different teams have to do that revamp, and it's in colour, so we can actually see what's going on. It would have been a very different movie. You can see what's going on in Citizen Kane. Can you?

Yeah. In black and white? Yeah, good luck and then at the end someone gets voted out Does anyone get voted out of Citizen Kane in the end? I shouldn't have thought so not in the way you'd consider to be voted out. No. Yes. Thank you. My case rests Marini may take the floor You know what? I'm leaving the floor. I'm actually leaving You know what? I'm leaving the floor. I'm actually leaving the floor. Anyway, what I'm saying is I don't think there's 13,000 hours of great movies for Honey to watch by the time she gets to my age. Okay, but rewatching is a part of movies.

Yes, yes. That's what we were talking about. You're absolutely right. And I rewatch more movies than I watch, I think. There's something, you know, if there's certain movies, if they ever come on, you think, well, of course I'm now watching to the end of this. Yes. How many times will I watch Raiders of the Lost Ark a year? Every time I need to be comforted. And how many times is that? Several. Certainly tonight. You don't think I'll actually have to go home and watch Raiders now to deal with the Citizen Kane argument.

And listen, I'm very aware I'll lose this vote, but we should do a vote amongst listeners. What is better, Citizen Kane or Interior Design Masters? Yes, I want to do that. I am aware, Marina, that I can be iconoclastic at times, but also it comes from a place of truth. Do you know what I mean? It genuinely, I'm not just deliberately, this is like the time I said that McFly were better than Radiohead.

A bit of me really meant it, genuinely. That was at the Royal Albert Hall, and the only reason I didn't get all my Mr and Mrs questions right about you is because in front of an audience where I was asked the question, would Richard rather see McFly or the Beatles? I thought I'm just, I can't insult him. I'm actually, even though I know he'd rather see McFly, I'm going to say the Beatles because I just, I'm not going to insult him in front of an audience. And you're like, Oh, I'm so sorry. It's wrong. Obviously I'd rather see McFly.

Yeah. I can't help myself. No, and I certainly can't help you. But yes, I'd like to ask our listeners that what is better, interior design masters or Citizen Kane? I'm literally drawing this episode to a close immediately before you pull out of that particular open vote. I'm going nowhere. I'm very comfortable with this.

You are, because the episode's ending now. No. I'm very comfortable with this. You are because the episode is ending now. No, I'm not even saying that. No, I'm saying here. It's very possible I might lose. I get it. I absolutely get it. But what will happen is I will find my tribe. And that's very important to me. You know, I just think if anyone is thinking of voting now,

this is all I will say to you. If in the next 10 minutes, you have to watch an hour of something, You know, I just think if anyone's thinking of voting now, this is all I will say to you. If in the next 10 minutes, you have to watch an hour of something, would you watch Citizen Kane or would you watch Interior Design Masters? Go and watch the first three minutes of Citizen Kane on YouTube and go watch the first three minutes of whatever the most recent episode of Interior Design Masters is and then come back to me. I really am pulling the plug on the show now, not the podcast, but on this episode.

Richard, I'm sorry we've been parted, but we will return tomorrow for a bonus episode. We sure will. Celebrities who've come into conflict with the authorities. If not, we will see you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday. This episode of The Rest is Entertainment was brought to you by Sky, who've made watching TV feel effortlessly smart. Just use voice control and ask Sky what you want to watch. It's so quick that before you

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