The Rest Is Entertainment - Marina Is Wrong About The Best Bond Theme

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

Why should Bond themes always be performed by women? What are the new rules on celebrities going #InstaOfficial? And which 80s indie icon was caught speeding after a few too many puddings at Great British Menu? Richard Osman and Marina Hyde answer your questions on the world of celebrity, television and Bond in this week's episode. The Rest is Entertainment is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain's most awarded energy supplier. Lloyds. 250 years on and still backing the nation's aspirations. Join The Rest Is Entertainment Club: Unlock the full experience of the show – with exclusive bonus content, ad-free listening, early access to Q&A episodes, access to our newsletter archive, discounted book prices with our partners at Coles Books, early ticket access to live events, and access to our chat community. Sign up directly at ⁠therestisentertainment.com ⁠ For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to ⁠www.goalhanger.com⁠ Video Editor: Imee Marriott & Joey McCarthy Assistant Producer: Imee Marriott Senior Producer: Joey McCarthy Social Producer: Bex Tyrrell Exec Producer: Neil Fearn & Samantha Psyk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, Richard. How are you? I'm very well, looking forward to answering questions. Soon, we're going to do an episode where we're not answering questions. So we are, again, on the lookout for questions from our audience. This time for... Tom Hanks. Heard of him?

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We've done this so long. It is. He's giving us a thumbs up. The rest of entertainment at goalhanger.com. Any question you've ever wanted to ask Tom Hanks, you never ever let us down with those things. So I'm looking forward. to that but shall we get on with our questions now? Please do.

Bridget Mayer or Bridget Meyer has a question for you about the Roast of Kevin Hart, which is on Netflix. Why are Americans obsessed with roasts? It seems quite an arcane format, but the Kevin Hart roast on Netflix looks like it has been a great success. It has been a success. The roast format is basically comedians taking the piss out of somebody else. In this case, also a comedian. But not always. It's funny.

We think of them as, I don't know whether it's just that our whole British culture is like this. So we don't actually feel, we're always taking the piss out of everyone and putting them down. So we don't really feel the need to have a dedicated thing. Whereas they're always building everyone up. But every now and then they like to have a sort of. A safe space. Where they can say the worst things imaginable. But they really are.

I mean, genuinely shocking. You know, I mean, Kevin Hart is sitting there listening to all his infidelities being listed. People like insults comedy. They really like it. The reason I like them is because I think I just really like jokes. And if people have crafted a, a beauty, because you know, you don't have long. Lots of people come into the microphone.

You've got a short space of time. So, and it's kind of a, it's a competition. It's like sport, but amongst comedians. You can say the worst possible thing here, but it's still be funny. Yes, you really look awful if your thing is cruel, fun enough. You actually, everyone just sings. Oh, and. It's interesting.

There's sort of a, if X, then Y, that you have to absolutely balance it, that if it is incredibly cruel, it has to be incredibly funny. It always has to be one degree funnier than it is cruel and then you get away with it. I agree with you. And there are lots of... So what's nice about it is that that sharp writing, there are callbacks. It's only one night. I mean, it's like a million...

We live in a kind of reaction gifts thing of we've discovered. And people like watching people's reactions and things. Will the target take it? That's the thing. It's a sort of the comedy of awkwardness as well as the comedy of insults. You can see what fans do like and they do like deadly, as you say, not cruelty. It used to be always a Comedy Central thing.

Comedy Central used to have this thing entirely sewn up. And actually the biggest rating ones and the most memorable kind of cultural moments were Charlie Sheen, that is the number one. Now, that was because he had that extended... He has had a number of public amounts, but this was the really extended one. It was totally unpredictable.

And it was before audiences actually became fragmented in the way that they are now with streaming. And also as a comic, there are four or five different angles you can come at Charlie and Trump. It's happening now. It's like a live news story. The Justin Bieber one is a huge kind of, is probably the next down from that. There's a Trump one. And then some are not successful and people, it just feels off for some reason.

It never quite catches fun. There's a James Franco and a Bruce Willis one. But they've now sort of gone to Netflix. They don't happen that often because it's quite a lot. They did Tom Brady, the Tom Brady is immense. It's far,

it did far better than the Kevin Hart one. The Kevin Hart one's great. Tom Brady in America is so famous. He's so huge. He's so huge. He's the sort of, you know,

the iconic quarterback. He's like Beckham for America. Exactly. And it's, there's something about sports audience. They bought, that brought in a sports audience maybe that's something

slightly different. He is huge, as you say. There were really uncomfortable moments in that. I mean, there's a bit when he says, don't say that shit again but that has those elements

that as I say that you know it is unpredictable you know that Kevin Hart's not really gonna he's gonna be able to handle it because that's his job he's had a million worse things shout out of him maybe less artfully but he has in a weird way I found

it was quite a it was a bit of a marmaladee dropper when Tom Brady comes on in the Kevin Hart one because the Tom Brady one is the more iconic one but I do think that people do think the world is sanitised and lots of And perhaps the reason it maybe has kind of cross-cultural appeal, if I can put that in a kind of politically neutral way,

even though I am really talking about politics, is because people think, oh, hang on, when anything goes here, this isn't being censored, it's not a sanitised. This is very, very unsanitized. But because you are in an American tradition that you know that there are no rules and the gloves are off, culturally they get away with that, which is why I found it really, really interesting.

Because there's stuff, there's material there, that you would not see anywhere else. Everyone has agreed, everyone on stage has agreed that they're going to do that. Everyone watching signs a contract that is, oh, it's a roast. So we are all in this space where we go, oh, we can literally say any joke we want. And they really do say any joke they want. Yeah, so I like it. And it's all on one.

It's one person. But actually, there was a lot. There's a lot against other comedians. Those Riyadh comedians took quite a pasting. The ones who went to the RIA Comedy Festival. But, you know, I do have a sort of weakness for those sorts of things. And I think that in the culture when they're super revered, I always loved Ricky Javaz's opening monologues at the Golden Globes,

which were so brutal. And they just didn't really know how to deal. And also, you never know who's coming for next in that. There's just people sitting there having to smile glassily while he's saying, you work for the most disgusting companies in the world, you work for Apple, you work for Amazon. And they all just have to sit there on their artistic night. So I like all those things.

But actually what I really like of those things is the craft. There's such few words in a way. And just to kind of make it funny but also incredibly vicious. I think they're great. But I think it's just in our culture. Just we do it all the time. So maybe we would. That's exactly it.

You know, we're used to doing those jokes. I mean, these go further. It's definitely, I've said before, I'm sure the really joke I ever heard on television was aimed at Joan Rivers in her roast. I mean, something absolutely extraordinary. But it is, yeah, there of course, you know, what you can joke about on terrestrial television when, you know, you've got responsibility to an audience

is sort of ring-fenced. And this is one of the few occasions where you are outside of that ring fence. And everyone agrees. So we just say, look, we're just going to do it for tonight. Do not watch if you are offended at all by anything, for sure. But I thought it was a very interesting watch for lots of reasons.

A question from David, Richard. I've read that Jimmy Fallon is going to be producing a new game show based on the Wordle Puzzle game. And due to air on NBC. The detail that caught my eye was that it will be filmed in Manchester, England. Do they really film American game shows in the UK? What's the attraction? Yes, they do. We'll get onto what the attraction is.

It probably won't shock you. But we will get onto that. So, Wordle, they're doing over here with Jimmy Fallon. Which feels weird to me because one of the biggest game shows in the world is Lingo. which is sort of a TV version of Wordle. But whenever we announce any TV show, people go, oh, that's just like that. And you go, no, we thought of that, I promise you.

That's just, you know, so I imagine it won't be the same as Lingo. Yeah, so they're filming that in Manchester. It has become a much more common thing recently. There's a couple of reasons. You'll do certain shows, like this golden elevator show I'm doing, where every territory in the world comes to the same place. That happens to be in Belgium just because that's where they're, you know. Because that's where the set is.

That's where the production hub is as well. So that's often the thing that happens. But more recently, yeah, Americans have started taking their really high volume series to the UK. So recently, I was talking to a brilliant producer. I've worked for years and years. Michelle Woods, who's just done Trivial Pursuit and Scravel in the UK. They're both American. I mean, there's absolutely nothing to do with the UK at all.

They're both for American networks. Craig Ferguson did Scravel and LeVar Burton did Trival Pursuit. They again filmed that in Manchester, England. Manchester, England, yeah. I don't know if you've heard of it. Funnily enough, this always happens, it's probably Salford. Yeah. Because that's where the studios are.

It will be Salford, yeah. It'll be Salford, but they, you know, I guess the Americans think that they can say Manchester and people will have heard of it. So they'll film those things in Salford. The reason for doing it, and by the way, this is not a sort of oh let's find some Americans who live in Cheshire and bring them in all of the contestants come from America as well you get the odd one who's from the UK because that's a bit cheaper but it is cheaper for the Americans to fly over

members of their public every single contestant every single executive every single person from the channel every single member of a production team it's cheaper to fly them over to the UK have a UK production team make it they know that the UK production team will make it, you know, Michelle and her team, they can make these shows. They're brilliant at it. They know it'll be brilliantly made and they know it'll be cheaper and it is, I mean, it's a union thing. I mean, it is just an awful lot cheaper to do it over here. It is cheaper to fly every single person over here, film for a five a day in Salford, fly everyone back home and then put it out than it would be to do the whole thing in America. Unbelievable. And it's, yeah, it's, this is

quite, this is actually quite a recent thing. That thing of having a production hub, like doing total wipeout in Buenos Aires, that's been going for years and years and years and years. And that's when you've got a big set. But the set of Scrabble or Trivial Pursuit, or this is, I mean, you could literally put that anywhere. Just put this idea that, you know, you're going to shoot 100 shows and you're going to go over to Salford to do it because it's just going to be cheaper for you in production terms and in labour cost to do that.

That's a sort of new thing. As always, as a great supporter of the UK entertainment industry, I'm all for it. I suspect if I was an American entertainment AP or researcher, I'd be less for it. It's good business for UK production teams and it's good business for American networks as well. And there'll be more and more and more of it. But it is weird. Yeah. It is weird.

You know, there it is. That's the international nature of television now. Question for you, Marina, from Jake Magery. Big fan of the pod. Thank you. That's how to get your question. In fact, that's all he says. Sorry, big fan of the pod.

Question mark. Big fan of the pod. Ahead of its May release, the title song for 007 First Light by Lana Del Rey has been released. My question is, what is the likelihood Lana Del Rey thinks she made the song for a Bond film rather than for a game? Okay, with Lana Dalry, she is very, very great and smart. Various people who know her, who know her dummy, she has got a very fascinating mind, so you can be sure that she knew exactly what she was doing. She has submitted a Bond song before, and she wrote a song for Spectre,

and they didn't use it as they used that Sam Smith writings on the wall which I think is the only Bond song that ever went to number one maybe okay yeah I need you know more than me and Landadale Ray she's got that voice hasn't she she'd be great I have a weakness for the bomb I prefer my bond themes to be sung by women

there's something about it I don't know I don't know why it is what it is I prefer the bond to be a man I prefer them it's so weird that you didn't say that to Paul McCartney but anyway Well, I mean, that's not one of the great bond themes, and I didn't bring it up. Whoa. Sorry, you don't think Live and Let Die is one of the great bond themes. No, I don't. I prefer the ones that are women singing in that slightly kind of moody, noirish, ethereal work.

Have you lost your mind? No, I haven't. You don't think, wow. You don't think live and let die is one of the great bond themes. It's a very, very good bond theme, but I prefer, if you think I think it's as good as Skyfall, don't be stupid. I like Skyfall. Skyfall is brilliant. Skyfall is everything about it. The movie is brilliant.

Yeah. Everything about it. The tone of the movie, the whole sort of story of what's happening yet, and Adele is so perfect. Yeah. Three Best Bond themes are, in my opinion, Skyfall, of course, live and let die, and nobody does it better. I was against, I knew you're going to say, no does it better, you're correct on Skyfall. And, oh God, what, um... I don't see like diamonds are forever or something.

Don't go obvious. No, I'm going to. Sheena Eastern, is it all time high? No, that was Rita Kulich, I think. Ritkeulage, all time high, sorry. All time high is great, but it's too up. Okay, just leave it with me. I'll come back at the end of the episode.

No. I love it, but no. Anyway, sorry, can we get back to Landa Dalry for just a minute? Well, no, because my mind has slightly been blown by this anti-Paul McCartney rant. Right. It's a friend of ours. He's a friend of the pod. It's not an anti-Paul McCartney rant.

Isn't it? Is it pro-Paul McCartney? I just prefer when women sing them. Okay. For some reason. Understandable. It's James Bond, not Jane Bond, Lev. You know what I mean? Okay, so this Lana Dalry one, who, I think this one that she's done for the game, is written by David Arnold, who's the original composer of Bond. He scored, I think...

Not the original composer for Bond. No, no, but he's an original composer. Yeah, yeah. And I think he's scored four or five films, and they're really good people involved with all these games now. It's like, extraordinary. What do we know that has happened? It has been acquired by Amazon, fully, they have control. We know they're going to be building it out into a universe. I would say that doing that song and make, and the song is great by the way if you listen to the song. It's called first light as well and it's really good if you listen to it. But again, this can be a springboard. She doesn't really need to get in with them because she's already done things for

them. But you can definitely see Lana Daray doing a bond track at some point. And also, there will be more bond tracks. As you can see, there's, they're going to, obviously we're not going to be just seeing one film every however long. There's going to be many different parts of this universe. There's going to be series. There'll be TV stuff. There'll be all sorts of things. And, you know, that's not to say that they're going to completely overflog it and

over farm it and whatever. I'm not suggesting that. I know a lot of people worry about that. They haven't done it so far. We'll see. But there will be many more opportunities. And I 100% think her vocal is very suited to it. And also, you'd imagine the house style would be they would have original songs, even for the

spin-offs because that's something that keeps it together. And it's part of the whole. whole, it's part of the furniture of who they are and how they do it and all of that. So yes. So the good news is Lana Del Rey knows what she's done and she knows what she's doing. But what about, hang on, what about Gladys Knight? Yeah. What about it?

Okay. I agree with you. It's all time high. No, I didn't say all time high. What did I say? I said, aspire you love me. Nobody does it better. Nobody does it better is an absolute. And it's also an absolute classic Carly Simonson. Yeah, agreed.

Skyfall without any question. Agreed. We need a terrible choice. for number three. Are you not just going with something like License to Kill? Me? No, are you not just going with Gladys Knight, the two-time singing License to Kill, no?

I don't think so. I think that Chris Cornell and Morton Harkett would like a word. Okay. If you had to have a man in there. Well, it would be there. Yeah, I'll be there. Oh, hang on. What about, I mean, Louis Armstrong.

Yeah, that wasn't an official. No, that was like an outro one. Okay. I mean, it's not Duran Duran, let's face it. Okay. That's fair enough. We can agree on some things. Yeah, okay.

All right. Let's just put it to a vote. What is the best, what is... Top three of our listeners. Top three of our listeners. We will send it out to our members. Okay, members, you'll be able to reply to that. We'll email you and then you can vote on your top three.

So that will actually be quite interesting. Yeah. I think I'm forgetting things. In the moment, I'm forgetting songs. Of course you are. But also, there's a lot of work for our listeners to do, because on Tuesday's episode, they have to answer the question of,

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Save us, Helen. My husband and I love the Great British menu, she says, but we're baffled by Judging Day. How long does it take to film and how do the judges, managed to taste so many dishes in a single day. Eight mains or desserts in one day seems almost impossible. I love that question, Helen. Thank you. Because it is.

There's a lot going on in Great British menu. By the way, that's very quietly been built into such an important franchise for the BBC. It's an incredibly impressive what they've done. So I asked Sarah Eglan, who's the executive producer of Great British menu, Helen. And I'm just going to read out what she says verbatim because I love it when producers tell you about how they put their shows together. Sarah, thanks you for your question, Helen. She says it takes a whole day to film each episode with four chefs cooking in the morning

and four chefs cooking in the afternoon. Tom Kerridge actually goes to a nearby gym and has time to do a full workout and shower before returning. Wow. So in the middle of the day, that's his secret to making more space for the calories. Our food is served hot, which is not always the case on these shows.

So once the chefs say the food is ready, it takes under a minute for the food to leave the kitchen and arrive with the judges. One of the challenges for the crew is filming Tom's plate before he finishes eating as he is an extraordinarily fast eater. No judge has to finish their plate, but most plates return to the pot wash empty. We have a separate serving,

which is used for filming the graphic shot of the dish and the crew take it in turns to eat this afterwards. So that is quite often to have a lovely cutaway of the dish and they'll do a lovely shot of that. That will be done. It'll like race across the world when the crew go back to, you know, the route and do lovely GVs and everything. Although one time Andy Oliver accidentally ate the remaining pieces of a beautiful sharing loaf before it had been filmed, Andy. During dessert finals we have cheese and biscuits on standby to help with all the sugar and this is the one lunch where the judges might join the crew for lunch to get more savory food into their system. I could do dessert day without, I wouldn't need a single bit of non-sugar.

You've trained yourself. Yeah, I really have. You're a professional. That's the that I could do, Sarah, if you're ever looking for anyone. The mains final, I love this, the main fund is not for the faint-hearted. That's Marine. I think I could, yeah. In fact, here's a friend of yours is on it.

I was momentarily worried we might kill National Treasas sir Stephen Frears, who judged eight main courses with us. None of the chefs buy their ingredients. They submit the recipes in advance, and our home economics team supplies all the food within our budget. Some chefs do use their own money on presentation props, but spending a fortune is discouraged. As if that chef wins, we won't be able to replicate it at the banquet finale episode when the production supplies all the presentation for 80 plus guests. The Great British menu moved production to the Midlands over seven years ago,

so we rely on persuading famous people to come to Stratford upon Avon for the whole day. I didn't know. It was in Stratford-upon-Avon. I didn't either. I love Stratford upon Aven. Yes, I know you do. Yeah. You'll be visiting relatively soon, I believe. Yes, we're going to see Mark Gators' play.

I really want to see that. Yes. Anyway, that's absolutely by the bye. We're talking about Great British menu. And our studio, Sarah says, is the old Tettitubby studio. I still remember Peter Hook, the bassist from New Order, being a fantastic and hilariously entertaining guest judge during the music-themed year for dessert finals some years ago. Desert finals. I mean, I would just watch that.

He explained he'd be able to eat every last crumb of his eight desserts, as sugar was now his acceptable drug of choice. But he was done for speeding on the way back home on the M6, and it might have had something to do with all that sugar. That is fantastic, Sarah. Thank you so much for those. She sort of answered about four different questions there, but I loved all of them.

Marina, a question for you from Tasha. Tasha asks, when two high-profileities start dating, do their respective managers or agents team up to agree on how and when they'll... go public with their relationship. I'm thinking of Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton is Insta official now old hat. Okay, that's interesting. First of all, I mean, those two, I don't think he would think about things like that in quite the same way. She would think absolutely how, with a team,

about almost how everything she does, but that's just perhaps the nature of the person. In the old days, you know, it would be quite simple. You'd be photographed together. Maybe then people started doing joint magazine features about their love paid for. The Beckham's had a press conference to announce their engagement. It's really weird watching that take that documentary that was reaching on Netflix, which is really good. They just did press conferences for everything. And you suddenly thought, I forgot that actually,

rather than having a way that they could instantly do something and it could look really good online and all of this, they would sit at a sort of long table with a tablecloth on it. And it didn't matter whether you were engaged or Robbie had left the band or whatever it was. It was done in this one way. In a hall. Yeah, it's really weird looking back at it, it suddenly seems such a period piece, even though it was kind of recent. So, yes, there was a whole vocabulary for all of this, as you know, like the soft launch.

Now, the soft launch... The soft launch... The soft launch... Of a relationship. ...the soft launch, you know, the sort of breadcrumb reveals. So you might see someone's shadow in a picture or crop photos or, you know, been quite obvious so that you'll say, oh my God, but who's been cropped out of this picture of Paul Mascalf as an example. There's a whole relationship theatre to it.

Instagram, isn't there? And the way that people talk about it, you see them using these terms in real life. I remember Taylor Swift talking about people saying, oh, how ridiculous that people would think we were hard launching our relationship. But I'll have thought, oh, this vocabulary has just become completely normal now. Again, we talk about this all the time, but it's like the whole decoding culture, the kind of open source intelligence thing, where your life is a curated public narrative. It does increase engagement. So you can see why Kippem Kardashian would really string out the amount of time before she did something formal. So, and it also shows just, I think, how much the platforms have inserted themselves into

all of our interactions. Modern celebrities can treat these moments as branding events and as fashion editorial moments. I wouldn't be surprised if her and Lewis Hamilton definitely do something together. How do you think that works inside a relationship? Like if you're literally, if you're two single people and you start going, oh, you know, you've had a date. and then you go, oh, you know that film you were talking about?

You know, it's on next week. I'd just fancy going to see it, and you have another date. And then you kind of go, oh, we're sort of hanging out a bit more. And you kind of think, oh, maybe we're going out with each other. But, you know, how does that physically work? Then you go, well, when you talk to my manager about that. I think they talk all the time about that they, well, they spend a long time trying not to be photographed when they don't particularly want to at the start of things for definite,

because that's just a hassle and nobody would. And if they're both famous, they both know. Yes. They both know. And then they, you know, often they're very successful in keeping it completely away. I mean, every now, but eventually, and in the old days, people used to tip people off. Yeah. So they would get, the first photos would not be high on the front of OK magazine.

We're going out with each other. It would be paparazzi pictures. But every now and then it is a bolt from the blue. Like, we had to do a whole item on it when it happened because it was so funny. Liz Hurley and Billy Ray Cyrus. Every now and then you're like, excuse me, what? Still going as well, right? Yeah.

Yeah. That was the everything launched. all at once, all the launches all at once. And it's hard to explain to like Gen Z or Gen A that this didn't used to happen. And as I say, the platforms are so inserted in life that even Brooklyn Beckham,

who's constantly talking about wanting privacy and to be away from it, posts incredibly frequent updates and pictures of his relationship all the time. Have you seen that amazing? Again, I'm going off on the tangent, but the brilliant comedian Al Green on Instagram this week

has launched. his character who's called Jackson Benson and he's sort of pretending to do is Who Am I thing for Vanity Fair? And it's so funny, but it's very, very Beckham adjacent. But he's also got an indie rock band called Jackson Benson and the Boners. And it's very, very funny.

I'm obsessed with Cruz Beckham and the Breakers. I just want to know who's in the Breakers. Yeah. They look like they're 30-year-old guys. I'm just... He was just... But I just... Any information on the Breakers,

I want to know more about the breakers. But anyway, so basically, just to summarize, relationships used to be revealed by the tabloids. Now they are serialized by the participants themselves, basically. So the first thing might happen might be rumors. Then you might have grainy accidental sightings or people in the back of other people's pictures who tick them off or who really didn't control it on purpose.

Then there's all the sort of social media breadcrumbs. But this is a form of fan engagement. And even if they don't say that loud, who's liking, who's commenting? Yeah, this is about being always on. If you're a female, you know, pop star, and you don't have to release something. You're just sort of always there.

Things are happening. There are plot lines. There's, you know, the series is continuing. But you used to be able to see it on Twitter, didn't you, when you'd see a couple sort of forming to go, he comments a lot on it. Oh, now she's commenting on his. Do you think, oh, that's nice?

Yes. But non-celebrities. Yes. And now it's a much more. But when they're both. stars. It has, this is how, and then I think you have the soft launch, then the heart launch. Then the joint branding, as I say, I think Liz Hamilton and Kim Kardashian will definitely

like, you'll see them together for like Montclair or something like that. And they'll do an ad campaign probably at some point, who knows, maybe. Or they'll do something, they won't do an ad campaign, but they'll do something perhaps together. And then, you know, when it all goes wrong, the joint, the silent unfollow or the breakup statement. And this is the new theatre of it all And if you look at someone like the Bieber Haley Bieber and Justin Bieber

It almost has all been done via their Instagrams They are married, they have a child She's got she had about eight products In her Rhodes Skin Keller They launched with eight products It became a billion dollar brand They sometimes do things together He's had a finally he's had an IRL appearance

At Coachella and it's gone absolutely massive But really the entire thing has sort of been sustained off. Is their relationship working out? Is it not, or almost entirely a digital fabrication, a digital soap opera, I assume so.

And then he's had this thing, and then he managed to sell absolutely masses of units of his various products at the time. And that is a kind of quite a sort of classic template now, which, as I say, would have seemed completely nuts a few years ago. Imagine Jane Austen writing a novel about it.

I would read that. That would be amazing. Well, I mean, lots of, You know, things like letters. I mean, it's like epistory. Epistory novels are... She would decode that stuff in a heartbeat.

What's dangerous liaisons? The book, if not, you know, an epistory novel about people scheming and plotting and, you know, trying to influence each other. Reader Ion follows him. Yeah. That's us done. I think, please, please, please, if you have questions for Tom Hanks, do send them into the wrestlers entertainment at gollhanger.com. As you know, it's fun when you get your questions asked to these. It's a really lovely thing.

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Okay. But it was really, but you know, you know, but this is actually really interesting. It was different because it was, he was able to poll people on. I know you wanted to get some polling always done live just, yeah. Earlier this week you wanted to get polling done live in the episode. He would have been able to do that.

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