The Rest Is Entertainment - Secrets of the Breakfast Scene - Celeb Traitors Reaction (Episode 4)

Episode Date: October 9, 2026

WARNING: SPOILERS FOR EPISODE FOUR OF CELEBRITY TRAITORS Are The Faithful comedians a force to be reckoned with? Why are shields such a headache at the round table? What time is Castle breakfast exactly? Richard and Marina unpick the latest Celebrity Traitors episode as week two comes to a close. The Rest is Entertainment is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain's most awarded energy supplier. Sponsored by Lloyds. Learn how to avoid scams and protect yourself. See how Darkhorse Anti-Fraud Technology helps keep you safe from fraud. Search Lloyds protect yourself from fraud. Join The Rest Is Entertainment Club: Unlock the full experience of the show – with exclusive bonus content, ad-free listening, early access to Q&A episodes, access to our newsletter archive, discounted book prices with our partners at Coles Books, early ticket access to live events, and access to our chat community. Sign up directly at ⁠therestisentertainment.com ⁠ For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to ⁠www.goalhanger.com⁠ Video Editor: Caroline Kaye & Jack Meek Assistant Producer: Imee Marriott Senior Producer: Joey McCarthy Social Producer: Emma Jackson Exec Producer: Ami Bennett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I mean, I'm not giving the faithfuls 100% here either, because I note in the turret in the very sort of first scene, there was a reference to something by Maya, which she called the main investigator group. It's like, well, I don't think we're dealing with the A team here. Yes, exactly. And then they, in order, they decided to kill Bella to provide what Maya called the twist that the game needs. It was such a bad decision. You must say there's a basic rule in traitors.

Never, ever, ever murder someone who is going to be banished. Unless you absolutely have to. Sometimes there's a tri-arce situation. There's a panic and you have to get rid of someone quickly and you hope that people think it's a double bluff. But there's absolutely never, ever kill someone. do not have to kill. It's crazy, but it comes from the fact we have three traitors there, two of whom don't particularly want to be there. I have to say, I mean, I don't mean to sound like my mother who I's got a knack for telling me this when I least want to hear here, but James Acaster

looks so shattered, like so shaffled. You look very tired, darling. Yeah. Yeah, but really, he looked so tired in that thing. I was thinking, oh, I feel actually quite concerned for you. Yes, if there's like an expression beyond heavy, uh, lies the head that wears the crown, And his is essentially his is on the floor. And at the end of our own last episode, we did say that they were all sort of pulling in slightly different directions. And yeah, they still are, I think. And so their twist did not prove to be the...

Yeah, I just noticed it down, actually, towards the end of the episode that Maya says, I can't be the only one out here killing people. Yes, I recognize too. And she is absolutely right. It's really, really difficult for her. And this game has still not settled. The Richard thing is still unsettled everything.

and from the producer's point of view, them choosing James as the traitor while I want to see him in the turret. And the more I see of James Aircaster on the screen, the better. Agreed. But it's absolutely throwing the game. If they had chosen a mole, actually, that turret would be pretty impressive because you'd have Amel and Maya. You bring Hannah into that and there's something she can work with. But Hannah can see something is off. Hannah can see she's not joining a group that she can fit neatly into, right?

They're two reluctant traitors. Yeah. And the problem, you can have a sort of, you can have a lead traitor, a head vampire, as it were. Yeah. But the others have to want to do it too. Yeah. And you need henchmen. Yes.

And they have to be committed. And it's very difficult for Maya to sort of do it all from a standing start. And it's not enough at the moment. Okay. So the next morning. Well, let's talk about, Bella. Let's talk about, yes, exactly. They walk in.

They walk in. Can I just say, are they still doing the last three at breakfast? They did this time round. Yeah. For sure. I mean, this is, yeah, if I've done it on quite a few. You know, they did it with. Hannah and, you know, they did, they've done things.

Yeah. Did they talk about it, but then they don't put it in the edit? Because I am telling you that Hannah, Hannah would have noticed, when Hannah was still a faithful, she would have noticed it and said something about it. Yeah, she would have noticed that they bought in Bash and Bluntie at the same time. So you go on, well, listen, we sort of know what's happening there. But I do

think that's an error. I mean, firstly, I miss Bella from the game, but also it's, Bella would have been voted out at some point. But they have no confidence in their, they don't even have a strategy, they have the next thing that they're going to do. They don't have any sense of even two moves ahead. Yeah. And again, it's not any individual's fault there. It's a, it's, it's, the whole of Traitors is a group

dynamic game. But in that turret, particularly, it's a group dynamic game. And there is zero group dynamic there. There are three people, all of whom are playing an entirely separate game and all of whom have entirely separate internal monologues. I agree. So I think that was a mistake. It probably won't be the last mistake that is made, but it's certainly, on this form. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The next thing will be a mistake. mistake. Yes. You were talking while we were watching about the access of comedians.

Right. The comedians, we'll leave James Acaster out of this for obvious reasons because he's a traitor. But the rest of them are playing a very good sort of under the radar game. Rob said that him and Romish, we add nothing to the theories. Now, that is actually a very smart move at this point. The second, it's a little bit like game theory. once you commit to a move, then someone has to react. Yes.

So if you say, I think it's Julia, I think, whoever you're going to say. Every action brings heat. Every action brings heat. So if you just don't add anything to the theories and you just say, you can play dumb and you can play confused, which they are all doing to some degree. And they're doing it in a funny, deflective way. That's the key, is you have to bring something to the castle.

You have to bring something. And if you're an actor, you have to bring something. If you're someone that people don't know so well, you have to bring something if you're a comedian, you are bringing something already, which is jokes. Yeah. And so nobody at any point is saying, Robin Ramesh are quite quiet.

They go, oh, my God, Robin Rommis are so funny. You know, oh, Joe, he's so funny. Oh, you know what, Joanne, she's so funny. Yeah. And your job is done. So you can hide under jokes. Well, Joanne's got a slightly different thing, which is that she just is like, right,

I'm convinced, I can read this. Yes. And the way she says it is so like, okay, I'm not convinced that you can read this. Well, in fact, we know she's wrong. She said, I'm just going to trust my instincts. And he goes, the one thing, Joanne, you actually have very good self-knowledge. You know your instincts are poor.

You genuinely know your instincts are poor. And yet and yet. So, yeah, in general, the comedians are just, they're being very clever and deflecting all the way. Well, not a single comedian has been voted for. Not a single vote for any of the comedians, which tells you something because there's quite a lot of them. And as the game goes on, they're going to form like a bigger grouping within this game. And then actually, they might have to start pulling their weight because you can't hide forever. It's definitely the right thing to do at the start.

And if you can get away with it, oh my God, what a bit of gameplay. At some point you might be called upon. But at the moment, when you got, you know, James Blunt and Ross Kemp and Miranda and all of these people, but I know Miranda's a comedian, but we're talking sort of about the stand-ups, when you've got those people who are out there and pushing things and pushing things, and you can just sit around with Jerry Hall and provide some light entertainment, then where's the heat? There is no heat. Jerry Hall, who has fingered James Acaster and got absolutely nothing back from anybody.

She has not got enough purchase on the discourse, Jerry, I'm afraid. She has not got enough purchase on the discourse. She has in some ways, but not in terms of being taken seriously as someone who might have an idea. Yeah. Can I talk a little about Jerry Hall for one second? It's a sort of a theory. So Hannah is playing this game with logic. Yeah.

Okay. And sometimes you see that. Yeah. Sometimes you see that on various of the iterations of traitors around the world. You get someone going, no, I'm absolutely playing this forensically. And she's got a spreadsheet and all of that. And I spoke on yesterday's episode about you can't play chess against a chimp. That you can have all the kind of facts and data you want.

But actually, if there's an agent of chaos. And Jerry, towards the end of the show, she says, I still can't get over the fact that neither me or Hannah got murdered. So if you're Hannah, you've got a spreadsheet, right? The two of you come back because there has been a recruitment. Done. That's the end of that variable. Right?

You come back. No one's been murdered. because someone has been recruited. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it would be one of the two of you. It could be any of them. And so Hannah can have all the variables she wants and have all the spreadsheets she wants.

But when you're dealing with people who are looking at the facts differently and it was still kind of going, I still think, isn't it weird that we didn't get murdered? And Hannah as a mathematician would say, well, no, because the thing is, if you didn't get murdered, it's because there's been a recruitment.

So that's squared off, but you can never square things off in that sort of environment. What's Jerry Hallmark with probability? She doesn't want to play with probability. Exactly. No, no, thank you. We have to do one more breakout because I have to say this has got to be about the looks that are being, because some of the clothes now. Oh my God, it's so great.

With the exception of a costume show like Strictly, you will not see looks like this. This is now the Primo looks destination on prime time TV. Okay. Everyone on this show has a stylist now if they want one. there is, I like it when they do the sort of the tartan, the faux fur, the sort of like insane take on the countryside, which I find quite amusing. But at the end, James Blunt, in a sort of like, I wonder which American city he's working vice in in the year 1980. What the hell?

A sort of lemon linen suit. I like to, I sort of thought it's more buttercream. You know, it can be whatever, it's a pastel. We're dealing with an extreme pastour. Yeah. I think we have to enjoy him while we can. We'll get to that. Yes.

The headband for the task. But they all look incredible because the American celebrity or the American traitors, they all look incredibly styled all the time. And that's absolutely. And we had a bit of that before on traitors and celebrators. And Claudia, obviously, always looks amazing. But now it is really part of the show. What are you wearing on any given day?

I really like the people who have not bought into it. So the people who are still there in plaid shirts and stuff like that. That I like. But my God. Sharon and Miranda right now, I'll do my own clothes. Thanks. But other people must have bought, like Joan Collins, this dates me, levels of luggage, like 57 suitcases behind them, trading up in Venice Airport runway.

But also there must be in the morning, it must be quite a big operation to get them all out. Yeah. Because they have to, I'm just thinking as a producer, if I'm producing that breakfast. My God, that must take a long time. Yeah. Because you are only as quick as your slowest contestant on any sort of game show. So if someone is still in their dressing room, everyone is waiting. And on this, you've still got like 19, 18 people, some of whom, you know, are taking a long time to get ready because they're on television and they want to look amazing.

And by the way, the show is better because they look amazing. So you know that as a producer as well. But my God, you just must stagger those things. I would hate to see the schedule, the breakfast schedule, and I would hate to see how that breakfast schedule changes through the morning. They call it breakfast. I think on Hannah Fry's Insta, I think there was, there's some evidence that she walked into breakfast at about half past 12. They do call it a second breakfast, I believe. That's a nice time to have breakfast.

Yeah. So, yeah, one assumes they're having a breakfast at their lodgings. Yeah. And then the breakfast is a TV breakfast. Yeah. Sometimes it's the best breakfast of all. Yeah. But that in terms of logistics is an absolute nightmare.

If I'm a producer and I know I've got stuff that I want to cover. And I know that Bella's not coming back in and make sure, just get reactions on something so and say What order we put them in? Okay, put those three in first And then we'll put those two and then of course we'll Leave the ones who aren't traitors to the end So we'll do all of that And then but then you are sitting there

Waiting for a runner to just radio through We're just saying yes we have Everyone is now travelling And the time between You being ready to go you being as a producer When you're already amped up for a morning And you're like I'm absolutely on today Because this show is like

It's a producer's show, so they are working their socks off. And their brain has to be completely switched on at all times because the story can change in a heartbeat. They are absolute. It's like a football game sort of being delayed for fog. They are amped up. They've taken all of their peptides. You know, everything is ready to go.

And suddenly there's fog. And they're sitting around for like an hour and a half. The amount of miniature heroes that must be being eaten in that gallery while they're waiting for the last person to get in their car. I would love to see the miniature heroes budget on this show. My final thing on breakfast was I loved Miranda just saying to Joe, stop telling Hannah things. Yes.

She's really good in this, Miranda. She is. She's really good. She might have slightly got over her skis towards the end of the episode, but I guess we'll get there. Yeah, yeah, we will get to that. Shall we go to a break and come back? We'll talk about the task, what it revealed,

and then we'll talk about that round table, which again, it's just, we're not seeing great gameplay thus far but normally we'll see great gameplay from one of the sides we're seeing pretty bad gameplay from each of the sides

and then we'll talk about the cliffhanger and what we think is going to happen there and that by the way is the first thing I think almost the traitors have got right I think they picked well but we will discuss that

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Yeah. He, by the way, has... I love him. So do I. It's really hard for the young people in the show. I think that actually lots of celebrities hate the idea that anyone younger might be coming up after them. So they need to kill them off very quickly, both metaphorically and perhaps literally. Yeah.

I need another 8. months without this person being more famous than me. Yeah. So, but Bash has got both their respect and he's obviously very charming and they really like him. So that it's very good to have been able to build alliances because it's actually very difficult to do that. And you saw someone like Nico last year. They just didn't probably understand what he was.

So they just got rid of him straight away. And also, by the way, if anyone's playing this game properly as a faithful, which I think some of them are. Don't forget, we are seeing edited highlights. And I don't mean that it's a false narrative. But you don't see everything that said by everyone. if you have anything about you as a faithful, you now, like we discussed on the last episode,

I said if they do kill Bella, you have to know for a fact that Bashers are faithful. Yeah. You have to, he has not got the personality type to take out his best mate that early in proceedings. It's just, it just wouldn't happen. So you have to know that Bash is a complete faithful. And if I was in the game,

he would be the first person I was seeking out and just say, like, I know for it. Because of this. Especially, by the way, if I was a traitor, I'd be like, I know for a fact now that you're faithful. Strangely, we haven't, yeah, as we say, we haven't seen it. But the mission, the creepy cabin, Hannah hesitated and let Kenny have the shield. If you do that, I mean, to be honest, can I just say, though, it's almost like any behaviour around shields. They retrofit it to become suspicious later.

So in the same way that, you know, later in the episode, James Acaster says, you know, putting a traitor. in and pretending that we've been consigned here by the traitors. I've never seen that not that far. I've never seen any behaviour around the shield almost ever not back far. Apart from Harry. Yeah. When people didn't know he had the shield. Okay.

Yeah. Which was the, it's the single time where I've seen someone use a shield to win the entire game. We're not seeing the gameplay of the likes of this in this game. We are not. But it is. There's an immutable rule of traitors and Hannah proves it there, which is all action, brings heat. Yeah. I said it before. All action brings heat. It doesn't matter what you do. If she goes for the shield, that's traitorous behavior. If she hesitates, that's traitorous behavior. So what can you do? There's

nothing you can do. But as a faithful, you have to understand that. You have to go, imagine she did the exact opposite. Am I now saying, I think that's traitorous behavior? Yes, I am. So both things that she would have done there. As a faithful, you have to go, okay, both of those things would have made me think she's a traitor. So I have to completely disregard that. But again, it's hard when you're in there. You talk to people who have been in there and they are sequestered and they are just living the game constantly. And that does mess with your brain a little bit. It's much easier for us to go, can't you see in this edited show what's happening here. But every single thing you do will bring heat on you, whether you do, whether you take an active choice or you refuse to

take that active choice, people will think you're a traitor because of it. Yeah. But that's a lesson for the faithful, which is you have to stop thinking about those moments unless it's somebody, for example, saying, I am a traitor and then not cycling back from it. That you're allowed to take as a sign of guilt. But yeah, I felt bad for her. But King Kenny is, well, quite right, he's going under the radar because he's faithful, but

he seems to be gaining trust from people. People turn to him when he says something, people are not going to go, huh, well, Why would you say that, Kenny? They're kind of going, oh, okay, brilliant, so that must mean. Yeah, people like him and they respect him. And they, yeah, he's, again, they've done well these two young people. Yeah, they have. Because they've tried to not make themselves main characters.

They've just tried to make themselves useful. There are a welter of absolutely nuts-so theories advanced in this. Let's do, let's do not-so theories. Okay, okay. There are crazy theories going around. So Miranda's got like Julie, Ross and Hannah. Hannah, obviously that's a reasonable one. But James Blunt's got his crazy theories.

and he's very, very convinced by them. Yes. I mean, he's very convinced by the Julie theory. Again, that's his mistake, is that he's gone traitor hunter too early. Yeah. Which you must never do. Just imagine yourself in the edit if you're wrong. Yeah.

That's all you must do. But the counterweight to all of that is this ridiculous traitor instability. But even in the run-up to that roundtable, James was saying, I want to help the faithful. What? I know. Maya said, but I don't want her to go yet about Hannah. yet. Okay. She must be aware that the perma instability is just

Maya, just not allowing them to play in the way that she's seen on all the other iterations of the show. The traitors get into some form of groove and Claudia spend every roundtable saying you are making their job so easy for them. It's rather difficult for her to know what to say at the effort of every round table. But the absolute key is, not the absolute key because they change the rules all the time, but the key is you murder somebody unexpected or someone who deliberately shines a light on somebody else, and then you wait for the normal people to be voted off in that round table. And then you go back in the turret and you repeat.

And that's how you play. And she has not been able to settle into that rhythm at all. There's not been a moment where she could have thought more than one step ahead. You know, that's just, that's not the game that's being played at the moment. It's almost like everyone is playing what's two feet in front of them at all times. Even when we got to the round table, I thought, you know, Hannah, she tells the audience at home in the sort of diary room. I don't know what that room is actually called. No, I don't know we're going to keep calling it the diary room.

But she tells the audience at home her theories about how the game works. She does also tell the contestants all the time, this is how the game works. The last name to be mentioned will be this. She said that in the diary room. But there are other things she tells them at the table that is always meterizing. it. But again, in a way, it's like she can't help herself. It's a form of being in your own health. But also, by the way, do it. And absolutely, you have to keep saying in that place. You do have to find a way through that place. But she said the key thing is the last person who gets mentioned,

the last person who is sort of in the air usually gets voted out. She's absolutely right. I mean, there's reasons for that, but she's absolutely right. But then having people attacking her at the beginning and then everything go to Julie, she decides to go back. And she decides, no, actually, I'm going to open myself up again. I know. And I'm going to throw out this Jerry theory, which of course is going to, people are going to go, huh, that's weird. So if you know that you mustn't be the last person in the spotlight in the round table, then just don't be. But she still put herself in it.

And it was very interesting that Bash outthought her. Even when she did all her game theory and all her this, he outthought her. And then she was just like, yeah, that's a good point. That is when, you know. Miranda said in the diary room afterwards or whatever the quiet part out loud she said, I soon realised we're not going to have the votes for Hannah.

It's like, oh, okay. You know, the first rule of politics learned how to count. But you don't necessarily have to say that that's, that, not going for Julie as a mathematician is a mistake. I mean, in the end, there was clearly water between them,

but not much. I mean, hers could have been the casting vote. Going for Jerry felt somewhat eccentric. Because what's the play there? Terry didn't take it brilliantly, I have to say. She's one of those people that takes like a random vote incredibly personally. I know. Well, there's because Jerry is playing a game where Jerry is in that castle and knows she's a faithful. Yeah.

So if anyone is telling her she's a traitor, she's like, I mean, come on. I mean, we all know that I'm not, right? Yeah, that was eccentric. She will, you know, potentially lead something against Hannah the next day quite happily. Ramesh started saying, because he doesn't say a lot around him. He said, we've completely flipped on our most trustworthy person inside of three days, which is Julie. And then we got to Julie. And we said on our last episode, our last reaction episode, and in fact, even the one before, she's going to. hard too early. She should have been a slipstream person, by which I mean, you just slide in behind the herd and that's fine. If you do that and you get anything wrong, then you're done. And what she did with Mahala was that she got something wrong and then everyone's sort. And she also did this bizarre thing all episode where she kept saying, I won't say what's been

said to me because it will protect me. It's like, I'm starting to feel that, you know, if we have to talk about this thing called traitor behavior, then this everyone's just going to think any form of surreptitiousness or kind of subtlety or anything that is all recognised as deceit. That's all it is. And people just think you're a traitor. And earlier on, again, there is a lot of mathematics in it. Yeah. Is if you are certain about someone early on when there's 21 people in it, as opposed to when there's seven people in it, you are three times more likely to be wrong. Yeah. You just are. Because the numbers are not with you. The odds that you have picked up on something other than someone saying, yes, I am a traitor, right?

The odds on picking up on anything else, given the entire history of the show, which presumably people have watched, they are so wildly against you. And yet time after time, and again, I just think it's human nature. I think, oh, I've been put on the show. So I've been paid to be on the show as well. I want to be on the show. I want to play it. And I'm going to play it from the beginning, I'm going to play it from the start. And the thing with this game is, don't play it from the beginning. Because at the beginning, it's impossible. And by the way, be a comedian. Be a comedian. Just sit back, entertain the troops, you know, be useful at a task. But if you are leading the charge on someone when there's still 18, 19, 20 people in there, it is almost certainly you who's going to

be in trouble. Like I always say, my granddad's old adjutant police officer, if you're called to a fight in the pub, don't be the first through the door. You know, it's just, just don't be. Because there's very, very little to be gained. And if you do get something right, it was probably luck or somebody literally telling you they're a traitor, which is what happened here. He just cannot play the game in that way. Julie was first through the door with Mahala and now James is first through the door with Julie. I know. And then it's like, great, then the dominoes tumble.

Yeah, because he said, at the end he said, that's my fault. And Miranda said, yes. Like, okay, we didn't have to vote her. Yeah. But again, it's not because, you know, you have to play. the game in a certain way. If you're a traitor, you're definitely not gunning for people. I mean, you know that. So anyone who's gunning for people early is a faithful. You just know they are. But no one ever, ever, ever learns the lesson. It sort of feels like an impossible lesson. I do, I love Julie. I thought she was great and I thought she would have been, you know, Bella and Julia, both people I wanted to see more of in the castle. But that always happens on traitors. It has to. Because you have to keep the kind of, you know, the people who are, who are slipstream. You have to. It's just. just that's the way the game works. So, Julie goes, I think it's a shame, but I think it was sort of inevitable.

Hannah, I don't think did herself a huge amount of favours. But again, I just think it's not, for someone who thinks straight so brilliantly, this is, Hannah's behaviour tells you everything you need to know about being on the traitors. Yeah, just as Nick Mohammed's did last year. As Nick Mohammed, who's, they're both, like, two of the brightest people you'll ever meet, who absolutely understand game theory. If both of those two go to pieces, it is safe to say that you, I, you would also go to pieces in that castle. However much we think, oh, you know what, I think I'd be okay.

Yeah, what's wrong with them? If you're a game player, you would go to pieces in that castle. Yeah. That's the truth of the thing, right? It's just very, very, very hard. Now, the traitors have not covered themselves in glory, but they're given a mission at the end of this episode. This hide and seek thing. This hide and seek.

So it's essentially, it's just you have to put four people on the short list. And we're going to get 15 minutes of business out of this rather than two minutes of business out of this. And they had to choose four people. I, with Ingrid, I said, I'd tell you exactly who I would choose. And they chose three of them. I thought they are roughly now doing the right thing. So they chose. Ramesh, Rob, Rob, Leanne and Ross.

I had Rob, Leanne and Ross on my list. Can I just say something about Ross Kent, which is, it's very weird the way the heat map just sort of suddenly moves over someone. There's no particular reason that he's done anything. It's just like, it's somehow sort of gravitated towards him for no reason. You wouldn't be able to cite anything he's done. But I love that, you know, like in any kind of, if you're watching succession or something, there's been a long running storyline. And usually it comes to an end in a big way.

And I like there was a big storyline in this season of Tracus. and it comes to an end with someone saying, oh, so it turns out, Bella wasn't putting that cap on your head for any reason. Oh, yeah, yeah. Done. That's dealt with. You know, that was quite a big deal. You know, you talked about that for quite a long time. That was a huge thing.

And you go, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, that made sense. That was absolutely nothing at all. So of those four, here's the interesting thing. I think Ross actually, looking at the four of them, I think maybe replaced him with Michael Sheen. And I'll tell you for why. Rob, they're absolutely right that someone will definitely think there's a traitor in those crypts, right?

Of the four, they go, oh, someone on the next episode next Thursday will definitely go, there will definitely be a traitor in there. One of those people will definitely be a traitor. I think they'll think it's Ross, but... No, I don't think they will. I think because Ross has had heat put on him before, because like with the digging task and stuff like that,

I think they'll think, if he was a traitor, he wouldn't keep putting himself in that situation. I think they'll think it's one of Robin Ramesh. I think they'll think one of them... They'll revert to some version or perversion of the big dog theory that one of those two must be... One of those is a traitor and they have chosen their best mate as one of the other people to go in there.

That's what I think they've done. The four of them, though, they had... They're given a key. Yeah. And one of them can be saved. And out of some kind of lie about chivalry, they gave it to Leanne. I quite like... I mean, it's hard that.

isn't it? I know. I know. Because again, all action brings heat. Yeah. If you want it for yourself, that makes you a traitor. If you don't want it for yourself, that makes you a traitor as well. So at least the three of them, we can fall back on something, which is there's three men, there's one woman, there's one woman, let's give the key to Leanne. And then that's an acceptable explanation for anyone around a round table. So who do you think will be murdered? Or they will attempt to murder, and I do not believe it'll be Leanne. I believe the key will be irrelevant. If it was me, I would murder Leanne. Yes, I know, but I don't think they'll do it. So the Ross, as I say, with the Ross Kemp thing, I think the absolute perfect group of people that they could have put in there is Leanne because why are choosing Leanne? That's weird. So like a curveball. Rob and Rommish are perfect because you can accuse both of them. What you want in an ideal world is you accuse both of them essentially. You say, oh, we're voting off Rob. Rob. Rob stands up and says, I'm a faithful and they go, oh, well, then it's Rommish. So, you know, in a perfect world, you can get rid of two people that way.

Yeah. It doesn't always work out that. But that's a tactic at least. I would have bought him Michael Sheen instead of Ross. And only because it's that thing of, you know, if you hear one drip, you don't worry about it. If you hear drip, two drips, you're like, oh my God, is there a drip? Yeah. And because James already did what I thought was quite a clever move of saying, I just, you know, Michael, there's something about him.

And then suddenly Michael is one of those four people. All it takes is for one of the other faith was to go. It's interesting that Michael was there because I think James said, oh, yeah, actually, I think probably Richard would have chosen Michael. That, again, suddenly you start to undermine Michael a little bit. I think he's going to be a useful person to undermine because he seems to have status in that place. So I would, if I were the traitors of court,

I would not go for Robin Ramesh because I think in an ideal world, those two, you can get rid of both of those two just by putting them in the crypts. I agree. I would not get rid of Ross because, again, Ross being in there are not being voted out, you're like, huh, well, that's interesting. And some of the early suspicion might come back. I would 100% go for Leanne and just everyone go, I mean, that's crazy.

That's, that as a traitor, that's what you must do. But they won't know that it's Leanne, because she's got the key. Absolutely. But I'm just saying, as a traitor, that's who I would be knocking on the door of and getting rid of. If they were to do that, then, of course, suddenly there's no murder. And then that's, I mean, imagine the hell the next day when all four of them walk back in. And you're like, oh my God, that's going to send people absolutely insane.

Imagine how far James Acosta will look as well in the turret. Yes, because it's like, oh, God, well, sorry, what am I? What am I doing? Yeah. What am I doing now? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you've persuaded me of your argument for Leanne, so I think it would have to be that.

So if we were traitors together? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, but then we'd knock on the law, it'll be locked and you'd be like, brilliant, thanks Richard. Thank you so much. Well done. Now we haven't murdered anyone. Yeah, that is your fault. Yeah, Miranda said to James Blanc.

You'd be my James Blanc. Yeah. Yes, you persuaded me of the merits of Leanne, but I don't think they will. No, I don't think they'll go for Ross. Do you think they'd go for Ross? I think they'll think he's suspicious. I think they now know that there's heater. So I think you're right that they will pick one of Rob and Roesh.

It's a big call to get rid of Ramesh. Yeah. I mean, he's so good in there. I mean, Rob is as well, but Ramesh has a certain kind of, he really does have a status about him. So I wonder if they'll. I'm looking forward to seeing the discussion of it. Yeah.

Like the really, really reluctant discussion. Yeah. So I think they might vote. I would vote off Leanne. I think they might vote off Rob. And then the only question for next Thursday as well is who goes in the next round table. And you think maybe James Blunt. Yeah, it's coming for James Blunt for sure.

And it might be enough to take it off Hannah. Yeah. But it will swing back to her, I would have thought, in fairly short order. Maybe James Blunt versus whoever suffers the fallout of being in these crypts. And we know not who that is. And if it's nobody, then it's going to be absolute carnage. Because then Hannah Fry's data points are absolutely all over the place. But it's again, it slightly hasn't settled.

I do slightly wonder if the moment Julie said, I am a faithful is the moment the show actually started, the moment where we're like, oh, okay, look, this is for real now. We are getting rid of faithfuls. They've suddenly put four interesting people into these crypts. And I know they're not particular team at the moment, but at least the game has begun. At least we're in real traitors territory again now.

but the next episode will tell us far more. But I cannot see those three as a group of traitors sticking together for too many more episodes. It's just it feels they definitely could do because there's enough people that they could be shedding. I just feel like because two of them don't want to be there, I think it's going to be very, very hard. Yeah. Unless they can, their failure to commit, they've taken too long to commit. And I think that they just won't properly adhere at all now. They're not going to come together realistically now as a group because they haven't done so far and things keep going wrong.

Final question. Yeah. Okay. If you're Maya and Maya wants to be a traitor, Ingrid says she's the only one who got the memo. I know. She's the only one who sort of was at the meeting. If you were Maya and those other two fall by the wayside at some point, which two people would you recruit so you can go right through to the end of the game? Who would be a good turret?

Joe Lysit. Yeah. Joe Lysett and yeah I mean Michael I think will be a liability to be perfectly honest with you Bash Kenny Bash would be very good because I just don't think because it's such a strong position that I think Joe Lysit would fall by the wayside but her and bash could do the end game together perhaps yeah yeah and again there's people we haven't heard as much of Sharon people like that but it's hard to know how people react when when they become traitors but she if Maya can get at least one

other traitor who wants to be a traitor. Well, she's always got murder of a colleague on her mind, because even saying that thing about Hannah, you know, I don't want to kill her yes, or I don't get rid of her yet, you know, it's almost like you can feel that there's an inevitability for self-preservation. And as viewers, we're saying, yeah, I would.

I would too, yeah. I probably would. But I think, given one extra person, I think she has final three written all over her, final four written all over her, And then we see where we go. But yeah, I do think the game is finally afoot. Next week, next Thursday, we'll find out who they chuck out.

We will find out who's going to get kicked off at that round table. And then I think the fun really, really begins. Thanks so much, everybody. Yeah, thanks, everyone. Yeah, I can't believe we have to wait until next Thursday. I know, it's too long. Yeah, let us watch them all now. And then we'll just talk about them.

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