The Rest Is Entertainment - Should Celebs Brave the Shave?
Episode Date: September 2, 2026Which showbiz haircuts have caused the most drama? What are the dumbest character names? Who would Richard nominate as his favourite Toms and Olivias in entertainment? Marina Hyde and Richard Osman... answer your questions on celebrity hairstyles, the VMAs and The Masked Singer. The Rest is Entertainment is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain's most awarded energy supplier. Sponsored by Lloyds. Looking for extra value from your spending? You can bank on Lloyds to help your money go further. Search Lloyds Rewards in your app. Book your train to Paris with Eurostar now. Based on average journey time from London St Pancras International to Paris Gare du Nord, 7th of September to 12th of December 2026. Correct as of 3rd of August 2026. See eurostar.com for details. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Video Editor: Caroline Kaye Assistant Producer: Imee Marriott Senior Producer: Joey McCarthy Social Producer: Emma Jackson Exec Producer: Ami Bennett Filmed at www.westdigitalstudios.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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And welcome to this episode of the Rest is Entertainment, Questions and Answers Edition. I'm Marina
Hi. And I am Richard Osmond. Hello everyone. Hi, Marina. Hello Richard. How are you?
Yeah, I'm not bad. Ready for some questions. I'll say that. You're ready for some questions?
Hit me. Hit me with a question. Ever been readier? I've never been. I was born ready.
So you have been ready? Well, you've always remained the same amount of ready. Yeah.
Okay. Even when sleeping? Oh yeah. I don't sleep. I wait like Chuck Norris.
That is true. I'm not entirely sure that you do sleep.
No, not really. I said before. I said before if I have a message on my phone at 4 a.m. I know who it's from.
I waited a long time to send you one this morning.
I'm really, really long.
And it was still before six, I think.
I have a question for you that I think you're like from Ali Olson.
She says, I've seen Taylor Swiss new haircut.
It's now shoulder length reported in a ludicrous number of tabloids recently.
Is this just Swift mania at its most boring?
Or her previous celeb haircuts caused a similar storm.
Oh my God, Ali.
It's not even the biggest hair story of the week.
First of all, yeah, she's got some sort of bangs, as they call it.
done something different with the fringe.
I never really know what bangs are.
I hear about them on a lot of American dramas.
It's American for fringe, I think.
Then now I do know.
Now you do.
But the big story is surely the two mega buzzcuts.
One, Erling Harland's buzz cut.
And two, I hate talking about him.
It's Connor's Story from Heated Rivalry for season two.
He's got a buzz cut.
This has caused a lot of outrage.
A lot of people like, I loved his hair before.
Don't be stupid.
He's going to look just as good with this hair in all the 10-minute sex scenes.
So don't worry about it.
Yes, celebrity haircuts are big.
A Beckham's haircut was the front page of the sun if he got a new one,
and he had so many different ones.
The other day I was reading that part of the issue at the,
the fateful Brooklyn and Nicola wedding was that a lot of David's speech,
he talked about what haircuts he had at certain times during the, like, yeah.
I wouldn't open with it.
No, I mean, we've talked about my father-in-law's speech at my wedding before,
but yeah that that had a lot of what car he was driving do please remind us for for pod newcomers
for pod newcomers uh well it began with the talking about my husband saying oh you know I'm really
glad that this person who was there is here because actually we were going to have an abortion
but he's great but we didn't and what happens and then oh I wanted to be at your birth but um I was
doing acid and driving around the canyons in LA oh then he I don't know if I mentioned this before
The next bit is because he finds out how expensive it is after the birth to have a baby at Cedars, Cidus Sinai where Cairn was born.
So I think they just wrap him in a towel and it's the first of many, many midnight flits in Cairns life.
So they didn't pay.
They did a birth and run.
Yeah, birth and run at Cedars Ciney.
Do they still owe that money?
They owe so many people money.
Who do you think is liable for that?
Do you think Cairn's liable for that money?
Yeah, people say you can't take it with you, but I can tell you, you can take quite a lot of your children's money with you.
I can, I can confirm.
Anyway, rest in peace, my father-in-law.
Yeah, haircuts.
So, no, you know, Diana, when she got her hair, when Sam at night did her hair shorter, that was a big thing.
Demi Moore shaving her head for G.I.J. That was huge.
Do you remember Justin Bieber had the swoop? And when he finally cut that off, that was a huge deal.
He auctioned some of her hair.
When Miley Cyrus went platinum.
Jennifer Aniston's Rachel, that was a huge.
a huge thing, that haircut.
And when she actually gets much better hair later in Friends, I think.
My daughter's going through the whole of Friends at the moment.
And Rachel has some great hair in Friends.
And most sort of awfully, I suppose, Brittany's hair getting shaved.
This was huge news.
So yeah, haircuts are big.
But I have to say that Conestory and Erling Harland's buzz cuts are bigger this week.
I always found one of the things in TV I always found interesting because this idea of hair
and makeup and clothes and stuff being incredibly important.
to people and it was never something I think maybe because my eyes I just never it never
meant anything to me but I worked up very very very early on that some of the cleverest smartest
most creative people I knew were also obsessed with that as well so everything had to be right and so
I've always paid attention to it because my brain would be oh why does it matter and you realize
after a while when you're in any sort of visual medium that it does matter and it's some people's job
and they're incredibly good at it about image and making things look good I have it will shock you to learn
never been good at that sort of thing.
But as I could say, I'm here for it.
Oh, I love this question.
Liam Richard asks,
you mentioned in a recent podcast
that the entertainment world
is run by Tom's and Olivia's.
But if you had to pick your top five
Tom's and Olivia's, who would they be?
It's true, though, isn't it?
There's a lot of them about.
I mean, I guess Olivia makes sense
because it's been like the most popular
girl's name in the US and UK
for as long as records began.
But Tom, less so.
Okay, so I'm going to do combined top five
if that's all right.
I'm combining my Tom's and Olivia.
So there's lots of good people who are not in this list because there's only room for five.
In fact, there's room for more than five because I'm going to go for a joint fifth.
Because I think these two people sort of exist as two sides of the same coin.
And I think they are the sort of last two guys to really come through and be universal monoculture movie stars, Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks.
You can't put one of them above the other.
You can like one of them more than you like the other.
for sure. You can prefer the films of one of them to the other, but you can't deny the sheer
cultural power of each of them. I think there is an equivalence between the two of them, right?
I will allow you a joint fifth, and I'm so pleased I'm corrupting you in this way.
Carry on. Don't forget if I had a joint fourth, we wouldn't have a fifth, but I have a joint
fifth, so that's okay. Number four, because movie stars are all well and good, there's a thing
in We Chase Shadows, my new book, where Rosie goes on Graham Norton, and Steve is going up
see it and his mates in the pub are saying, well, who's on?
And he goes, oh, Denzel Washington is on.
There's a chef is on.
And they go, oh, a chef, that'll be interesting.
Because over here, we don't really care about big movie stars.
Not really.
That's not what we really, really.
We like homegrown stuff is what we like.
So number four, on going Olivia Coleman.
I recognize she is a movie star, and I give a great credit for that.
But she is one of us.
As has the academy.
As has the academy, which in some ways is probably more important to her.
Because I guess she can't put my mind.
respect on a mantle piece, right? You can't do it. I suppose you could quote me and type it up.
It's a lot of hassle in a way that an Oscar isn't. But, you know, from peep show and broadshed,
to start as one of the sort of TV comedy people in the UK, the kind of stuff that we love,
and to have gone where she's gone, I think Olivia Coleman absolutely has to be up there. Number three,
Sir Tom Jones, you can't not. I just think the length of his career, funny enough, when we
we were talking about Dolly Parton on Tuesday's show.
There's an amazing story about how she just, as a bet from some of her friends,
streaked on Tom Jones's lawn, right?
During the filming of 9 to 5.
It's like late at night and she just, yeah.
She said, I can't tell you how smoking hot he was at the time.
So she said, yeah, I stripped and streaked on Tom Jones's lawn.
She said, I don't know if he ever found out, he said,
but I did notice two weeks later there was a fence around his house.
He built a fence to stop Dolly Parton streaking across his law
and I mean that is a messed up value system
But for what he's done across the era he's done
The amount of times he's reinvented himself
What he means to British popular culture
And he's stayed relevant
And he loves music so much
And he still plays great music
You know, the voice is still there
So I have to go Tom Jones
Number two
Only because
Well not only because
Oscar winner nominated many many times
died at the age of 104, sued Ryan Murphy when she was 100. I'm going for Olivia de Haverland.
To have had a career that spans being in Gone with the Wind before the war to suing Ryan Murphy.
I mean, if Tom Jones thought he'd had a long career, it's nothing compared to Olivia de Haverland.
And number one, I'm going to go for because, and again, it's three people.
Because I'm going to go for Tom Holland, Tom Holland, Tom Hollander.
because I just think with three of them all together,
and poor Tom Holland from the rest of history,
constantly has to turn up at restaurants to see people being disappointed,
and then as soon as he opens his mouth, they go,
oh my God, you're the guy from the rest of history,
and then being happy again.
And Tom Hollander is very, very, very funny in interviews
about firstly people being disappointed,
he's not Tom Holland,
but also occasionally receiving royalty checks for Tom Holland,
which, you know, and Tom Hollander's doing pretty well for himself.
but when he gets the Tom Holland royalty checks,
he says it is it is quite some,
it's sobering, I think is what it is.
So because those three constantly have to explain
who they are to fans of the others
and because of their achievements altogether,
I'm going for Tom Holland, Tom Holland, Tom Hollander,
we await, as always, at some point,
the rise of Tom Hollandest
and it's going to be exciting to see who that is.
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I love all these sort of unofficial groupings of people.
There's two brat packs that I'm a big fan of.
There are two brats.
Yeah, there's two brats because there's the movie brat pack,
all of the Judd Nelson and, you know, Rob Lowe and Charlie Sheen and all those guys.
Everyone in the Breakfast Club.
Yeah, and then there's also the brat pack of those kind of turn-of-the-90s novelists,
Brettie Sinellis, Jay McAnneux, Donner Tart.
And that's the thing creatively, it's actually very, very useful to hang out with other people who are incredibly talented.
Because you drive each other on to do things.
Because a lot of the British novelists in the 80s, Martin Amos, Julian Barnes, Ian McEwen, they all used to sort of go and have lunch and go to have dinner.
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She asks, I've just read that Madonna is the top and not.
heading into the MTV VMAs.
My question is, do the VMAs better?
Have they ever mattered?
Okay, the VMAs are MTVs.
If you don't know, they're MTV's Video Music Awards.
And there are, you know, there are another ceremony that isn't the Grammys.
You've got to be different.
I think they do matter.
And I think they've always had a really distinct vibe to them,
which is they are an absolute chaos engine in our culture.
They are like a pop culture event.
And they have been so many times.
Because the Grammys is that real.
You know, it's that kind of genteel.
It goes on forever, but it's very kind of establishment.
The VMAs, I mean, Madonna, by the way, has been part of a lot of this.
The first, she really kind of went particularly big.
In 1984, all the way back then, she did Like a Virgin in a wedding dress and she lost a
shoe.
She was like, riding all over the floor.
Like, you know, hi, welcome to the building.
I think it's always chaos, basically.
And it's always those things before we knew, before we described moments as viral.
whatever. These talking points things always happen at the VMAs. I'm just going to go through a few of them
because they're kind of amazing moments. Nirvana doing lithium in 1992, like someone throws a guitar
and then it gets hit by the guitar. That's all chaos. The red carpet is always really out there.
Do you remember Lil Kim going and she had this like purple jumpsuit but it stopped at her waist and
she had these kind of nipple pasties on? I mean, that was a sort of iconic look.
2003, Madonna, again, kissing Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera.
That was massive.
So again, all these things happen.
I think this is 2009.
I mean, think of the aftershocks of this.
It's almost like the financial crisis.
Kanye interrupting Taylor on stage.
Oh, please.
I mean, it's always chaos, right?
It's always chaos.
Things that happen.
And what else?
That same year, 2009, Gaga did paparazzi, but covered in blood.
And it was really like, oh, yeah, I see what we could achieve with her at award ceremonies.
2011, Beyonce performing and then like her thing to show that she was pregnant, that was
quite a way to announce it.
That's how Buck's Fizz would have done it.
Miley Cyrus, who obviously came from Hannah Montana, was a, you know, kind of Disney child.
If you didn't know what the word twerking was before 2013, you certainly did after you'd seen her
with Robin Thick, that idiot from blurred lines.
they did a sort of medley of we can't stop and blurred lines.
You knew what's working was after that.
Everyone knew what it was.
There were lots of moments like this.
I definitely think that in terms of pop culture, they matter.
But also because no other industry would do an awards show like this.
The music industry, I love it when the music industry is properly music industry.
And it's like, you know, you watch the Oscars and it's all so genteel and all of those,
any of the, even like the things that they tell you aren't genteel,
you're kind of relying on the opening monologue to do something.
The actual ceremony itself is kind of pretty boring.
We know what happens.
You just don't know what's going to happen at the VMAs.
I love it for that.
I love the music industry for just like having an absolute, you know,
meltdowns on the red carpet for like having feuds with each other.
For everything, it's all completely, yeah, it's so unboundaryed.
And you don't know what's going to happen.
So I've, and I hope Madonna will have something up her sleeve that will scandalise
all the boring people who can't stand that she's still working when she's over 60.
I hope something exciting will happen at it this time.
She is as the biggest nominee and I just said, you know, I thought the album was really good.
So, yeah, that's what I love about the VMAs.
My favourite thing about the VMAs is when we used to record Pointless or when I used to record Pointless,
we have the same makeup team.
So there's Pauline and Debbie who would do me and Zander and there was Lisa and there
various others who would do contestants and, you know, all of this. So it's the same to
a really, really lovely crew, Bambi and just a really good gang. They would never really have
a day off because you knew in advance when you were recording Pointless You. So that three months
would be, you know, that's what they'd be doing for that time. There would always be two
days in any series when they weren't there, when there was something that was so big that they'd
had to just carve it out of their contract because they had to go do it.
And that was always the VMAs.
So they would go from on a Tuesday doing the makeup on Pointless, doing like contestant
makeup and going on the floor and sort of touching people up to going to wherever the VMAs
were that year and working with Miley Cyrus and, you know, just these massive, massive stars
and then come back on the Friday and be back just doing me and Xander.
and the contestors always with amazing gossip.
I was about to say, you know the gossip was off the scale.
The makeup girls are the best, but I'm so jealous of that.
Yeah, it was amazing.
Because they worked for MTV for years and years and years.
They were always flown out to wherever it was.
They've flown up from our little studio in Elstree, out to the VMAs,
and then back to us again, yeah, with every bit of absolutely unrepeatable gossip
that is possible to have.
Okay, question from Lucy May about the masked singer.
Lucy says, how do they keep the celebs a secret on masked singer?
What happens if the judges genuinely work it out too early?
I really want to know this.
I know a few people have been on the Masked Singer and they always,
it's an amazing setup that they have on that show.
I think rather than me give you the answer, though,
someone who would know far better about it
and certainly know far better about how the judges are kept away from people's identities.
we have an answer from Davina McCall.
I've got a really unique look at the masked singer, Lucy,
because I got to go behind the scenes because I was a mass singer
and I've been on the panel.
And the mad thing about being a singer is that no one knows your identity.
The sound guys, that you are dressed in a cubicle in the back
and there's like two people that know who you are.
The floor manager doesn't know.
Joel doesn't know.
Like the camera crew don't know.
No one knew that I was behind the mask.
So that's mad.
The panel definitely don't know.
Now there have been people that have walked out onto that stage
where universally everyone knew Macy Gray.
We, she opened her mouth and she didn't discuss it was at all.
So we just knew.
She's got, Dionne Warwick, like we all knew.
So there was a point where we were kind of all guessing.
And then really when that starts happening, you end up letting go of that singer because
everybody knows who they are.
And sometimes that's quite controversial because they're a massive name.
But when we all know, it's not as much fun.
I mean, we've all realised that it's much more fun.
when we don't know.
So have I sometimes wondered if it's someone,
but maybe gone with another name because I don't,
you know what I mean?
Like, it's not that I'm lying,
but I'm like, but it could be this person.
And sometimes I try, if somebody's guessed someone,
and I think, oh, I think it might be them.
But I want to be my own person and it might not be them.
I've been wrong about thinking.
So they might be wrong.
Don't trust anyone to what I'm trying to.
to say. So actually it's pretty true to life, the mass singer. And we're all rubbish actors. So
there you go. Thank you so much, Davina. And it's fascinating because that of course is the answer.
People always say, oh, everyone knows everything and everything's faked. If a show is better, if they don't know,
that is how the producer will make it. And that show is much better if they don't know. So that's how
the producer will make it. And, you know, you talk to a contestants who are on it. And they sort of, you know,
they have to be let out, you know, with hoods over their heads,
like black hoods with a question mark on it to walk down the corridor.
So it is kept incredibly secret.
And the reason it's kept secret to say is because that makes the better show.
And people who don't know about Teddy think everything is faked.
And people who do know about telly spot when something's faked.
And you can see with the Masked Singer that it definitely isn't.
I thought Davina is fascinating there talking about that thing you would do as a host sometimes where you think,
I think it is that person, but it might be better.
If I don't say that, which is, as you say, it's not fakery.
It's just understanding how the audience is watching it at the same time as you.
If there's any chance of doing a show where you don't fake something, where everything is real,
that's the thing that a producer does.
And they certainly do that on that show.
We are now going to have a little chat about Paris on behalf of our friends at EuroStar.
Paris is one of cinema's great shortcuts, romance, fashion, conspiracy, carchurches,
the city does quite a lot of the establishing for you.
Yeah, very efficient.
Although the Paris you're looking at
isn't always quite the real thing.
It might be rebuilt, tied it up for cameras,
and occasionally Paris turns out to be Sydney.
Yes, today we're talking about
where does Paris end and cinema begin.
Well, cinema sort of began in Paris.
It did begin in Paris,
but that bit about Sydney is amazing
because Moulin Rouge,
where they basically recreated almost the whole of Monarch
on a sound stage in Sydney
and they spent up to two years building it all.
It's obviously very, very expensive to build Paris like that,
but you can have full control when it's on the studio backlock.
But some of the places in Paris, which I love,
they have this whole sort of story built into them.
You know the Palais Garnier, where the Phantom of the Opera is set,
Gaston-Laure set it there.
And there's all this kind of myth about the building.
Is there really an underground lake?
Well, actually, there sort of is,
because when they were building it, the Palais Garnier,
the builders found that the water table was incredibly hard.
and so they've got this kind of natural reservoir that they had to create for drainage
because otherwise it would completely fall down.
We had that on our basement once.
Yeah, it was very, very similar.
Did you have a phantom of the opera in your basement?
Because that would have been quite good.
And we certainly had a phantom something.
Something was going on.
It was definitely one of those places, even though often other countries and other cities
step in for Paris.
The whole point about going to Paris is you get to see the whole thing.
Lots of people who go to Paris say it's because they've seen.
I think Emily and Paris is the most quoted thing of people who go to Paris to see film sets.
So that's huge.
Lupin is huge.
Amelie would be one of the reasons.
It's enormous.
Going to where Amelie is set, because it just looks so beautiful.
And you can go to the real place.
And sometimes those real places aren't even all that crowded in Paris.
No, Emily and Paris has been an absolute massive driver for tourism.
They really want it to be set anywhere so that they pull people in.
Rattatoui, even though animated, people absolutely love and say that they wanted to visit because of Rattatooie.
I know the Paris Tourist Board.
even have they have an official Emily and Paris trail now as well, which I bet it's popular.
So even when on-screen Paris has already been built in Sydney or tidied up for camera,
it still sends people looking for the real thing.
Yeah, recreating Paris can apparently take quite a lot of work.
Getting to the real one is much easier.
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Another one for you, Marina, from Amrit Nelson.
He said, I've read that Warner Brothers is developing a live action film at the first.
Flintstones with Ryan Gosling producing.
The plot is going to centre on Bam Bam Rubble, the toddler in the original show.
My question is, what do you think are the stupidest character names in film and TV?
I quite like Bam Bam Rubble.
Yeah, I like stupid character names as well.
There are just so many groups.
There are lots of group.
Obviously Bond girls.
We talk about some of the names on our Bond series.
I think probably Christmas Jones, simply because of any movie in which Denise really,
Richard's plays in nuclear physicist is one that I am 100% showing up to.
The Batman one, some of the ones in Batman are brilliant.
So like you get Dr. Chase Meridian.
But then there are other ones that it's like, come on, man.
Edward Nigma, what, like he's one of the Staffordshire nigmas.
I mean, it's not really a son, you know, E-Nigma, you know.
There's a character.
I was trying to think of the stupidest name.
In Twilight, there's someone called Renez-Kullen.
Like they've put Renee and Esme together.
It's like, come on.
I am a big fan.
of all the dingles in Emmerdale with all their biblical like cane and shadrack and charity and
and then sort of randomly like Marlon. I mean the first three Beckham children being given
stripper names and then the Beckham's become very gentrified and are like actually having said
I've never read a book actually my favourite book is to kill a mockingbird and that's why I'm
calling my daughter Harper. But the first three strippers names I quite enjoy. I love the joke about
I love the name Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Ramemorey which is obviously Joey's Days of Our Lives character.
Star Wars names are brilliant.
I think they're absolutely amazing.
I think so much about Star Wars and what George Lucas came up with is genuinely incredible.
And just like something that does feel like it coheres as a kind of different form of language.
If you think about that very first, the very first Star Wars movie, it's hard, you know, names are a huge thing about how you come up with them.
And I never like something if it's too showy.
I don't like a comedy name in a comedy.
You think, no, you have to give comedy people, you look at like the office and stuff.
They just have normal names.
They're not called sort of Jonathan Greenbottom because that is just, that's not what you do.
But Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Obi-1 Canobi, Princess Leia, Chewbacca the Wookie.
Count me in for all of those names.
Darth Vader.
I mean, it's so clever.
You really felt that there was an entire sort of, yeah, an entire space nomenclature out there.
And these were just like part of it.
It's brilliantly done.
The names of the planets, all of it.
Jabba the Hut.
Tom Cruise has had some very stupid names.
In Days of Thunder, he's called Cole Trickle.
I mean, you know, he's a NASCAR driver.
He's called what, sorry?
Cole trickle in days of thunder.
Paul trickle.
If I've been his age, but it's so NASCAR that as well.
So I think you have to allow it.
I find things like Keanu Reeves in Point Break, Johnny Utah.
I've got a real weakness.
There's a lot of martial arts names.
And I love martial arts movies.
I've watched a lot of action movie names.
So I love, I'm a big fan of kind of ridiculous names.
I have to say I don't, and I don't hate Bam Bam either, but those are some of my ones that I like.
I must say that I think that they're all, I'm a big fandom, but I don't like if it, like,
nigma is not a good surname. There are no nigmas in the world, I don't believe.
I love Charles Dickens. My absolute only bug bearer I have with him is some of, it is the character
name sometimes where you like, I get it. Listen, it was, it was of its time. But, yeah, just, just called it,
You know, I mean, Martin Chalwick, I get it.
I absolutely get it.
But it's getting in the way of the story for me.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
I really agree.
It's of its time.
We have to just contextualise and explain.
Yes, yes.
Listen, and he's more than makes up for it, I would say, in other areas.
Excellent writer.
Excellent writer.
Right.
In so many ways.
I think that wraps us up for today, does it not?
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