The Rest Is Entertainment - Shrek 5, Book Signings & Going For Gold

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

It's the first Shrek movie in almost a decade, but why are fans outraged over the new animation style - could this spell disaster for Dreamworks? Richard and Marina answer your burning entertainment questions; including the true identity of Mr Blobby, how to sign 45,000 books a year and whether its time to reboot 'Going For Gold'. Join The Rest Is Entertainment Club for ad free listening and access to bonus episodes: www.therestisentertainment.com Sign up to our newsletter: www.therestisentertainment.com Twitter: @‌restisents Instagram: @‌restisentertainment YouTube: @‌therestisentertainment Email: [e-mail] Producers: Neil Fearn + Joey McCarthy Assistant Producer: Aaliyah Akude Video Producer: Jake Liascos Executive Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport The Rest Is Entertainment is proudly presented by Sky. Sky is home to award-winning shows such as The White Lotus, Gangs of London and The Last of Us. Visit Sky.com to find out more 🌏 Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here ➼ https://nordvpn.com/trie It’s risk-free with Nord’s 30-day money-back guarantee! ✅ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Without having to lift a finger, you can get all your favorite entertainment quickly with both Sky shows and other apps in one place. Visit sky.com to find out more. Hello and welcome to this episode of the Rest is Entertainment questions and answers edition. I'm Marina Hyde. And I'm Richard Osmond. Hello Marina. Hello Richard, how are you? Yeah, I'm okay. No cool talk this week, I don't think. If that's all right. Can we begin with Henry Kelly? The Going for Gold legend has died. He has such an interesting career, Henry Kelly, because he came on our radar really when Game for a Laugh started.

I say our radar, no younger listeners will have heard anything about Game for a Laugh, but it was a sort of prank show. Absolutely, yes, and as always, hopefully this is an education of sorts. It was a prank show, Jeremy Beedle did it, Henry Kelly did it, Matthew Kelly, Sarah Kennedy. And yeah, it was pranks, studio stunts. It was sort of, you know, Ant and Dex Saturday night takeaway before its time. It was silly, but Henry Kelly is on this thing. It's where we first saw him really, then he went on to going for gold. But he had such an interesting story before then. He was a very, very serious journalist,

Henry Kelly, in Northern Ireland and wrote a wonderful book. He's written, was a very serious journalist, very, very, very... During the Troubles. During the Troubles. Very well respected, remained very well respected his entire life. But then decided to take this probably more lucrative career course into Game for a Laugh. And hadn't he been a friend of Wogan, Terry Wogan's, and that's why he just thought, oh, this is my way in or I'll have a go at that. Well, I think he probably saw Terry Wogan's house and went, hold on a minute, I seem to

be working quite a lot harder than Terry and I don't have that sort of house. But he was such a wonderful presence. Going for Gold was an interesting one which used to be on every lunchtime, used to be on after Neighbours, that sort of absolute golden hour. And again, for pretty much all listeners, it was a pan-European quiz show with a number of contestants. They all came from different countries. Yeah. The obviously the ones from Switzerland and France and whatever that to be absolutely fluent in English as you know Henry Kelly was asking questions about. It wasn't that international. What the county town of Derbyshire was. He was really great. It had an amazing

theme tune. So the theme tune. I've had it on the brain all week as a result of the music. The theme tune was Hans Zimmer. The Oscar winning composer Hans Zimmer did that theme tune Yeah, we listened to the four link version worth listening on Spotify. It's got verses. You didn't know existed Go for it for gold and it's I'd love to know the later verses of it The heat is on the time is right. It's time for you for you to play your game Everyone's running people are trying trying to be the best that they can when you're going for going for gold So I had this amazing, we were listening to it in the car the other day and Ingrid said,

this must be the biggest difference between the portentousness of a theme tune and the quietness of an actual show. Cause the show itself was, you know, it's in a shed somewhere in, you know, West London, like, like all these shows are Henry was great. You know, you're playing catch up. Who am I? All that stuff. You're in the two zone. And it was this, you can, you can seek it out on YouTube. But Henry Kelly is fascinating when we think we know people and you know, you've got images of people from the television and to know what he did before that like entertainment thing, to know how respected he was. And I met him a few years

ago when we did Pointless Celebrities. And we just, we chatted for about 20 minutes about all sorts of stuff, political stuff, all sorts of things. He was asking so many questions about things as well and about writing. And you know, I thought he was terrific. And he had a wonderful sort of what you call a retirement for a light entertainment centre, which is, you know, classical radio and things like that, which he loved as well. But I would say a life well lived. He absolutely educated people. He was smart. He was brave. He's a great writer. And then he entertained people and I loved it and understood that

those two things can exist side by side. That's what I think is the thing. Yeah, he just had a go at all sorts of different things and didn't think he was above or below anything. and I think that's quite unique in lots of ways. I'd love to do a deep dive on Game for a Laugh one day. Oh my god, I loved it so much. It was just, you'd never seen anything like it. I would actually love to do that but okay. I remember there was a bit where, it was all games and stunts and things like that and

someone had to do the game of putting their hand through a hole in a box and describe what it was that they could feel and sometimes it was like spaghetti and sometimes it was worms and then this woman had to put her hand through it and we could see what the things were and it was Duncan Goodhue's head and I thought if TV is gonna get any better than this then I would be very very surprised. To me I mean that's that's that's my The Sopranos. Yeah. It really is. But yeah, listen, Henry Kelly, RIP, and thank you for everything you did. And it's so lovely to have a career just spent, you know, just being there and doing the thing that

you want to do and doing it with such skill. All this is a good question for you, Marina. Christian Alcorn, after recently reading articles from former contestants in shows such as married at first sight in The apprentice where they state they were made to look bad in the edit Can the people editing the footage really making contestant look bad? We see them say the things they say we see them act the way they act is the expression They made me look bad in the edit really just covering up for behavior. They are embarrassed Ashamed of it's a very good question that's Definitely yes first of all absolutely yes they can give you what came to be known as the villain edit and

certain people in Reality TV and particularly in those early years or what we think of the early years of reality TV in fact it started much earlier but in the 2000s they were so lawless and people were made to look like real bad guys. I mean, you have to understand that even now when they're doing something like The Traitors, they don't edit the first part of the show. They have the round table and then they see who's going to be throughout and then they edit the show to make that kind of, to make it fit with what they know is coming at the end. So to some extent, it's always artifice.

And more importantly, they know what's happening at the entire end of the series as well. So they have an absolute idea of what everybody's journey is, how much we're going to see of them, when they're going to go. They understand all of those things and they then have to construct a version of it that we're going to find understandable and believable. Yeah, because even fly on the wall documentaries, you know, that fly's got an edit suite and they can actually work. It's got 50 screens. Yeah, it's got 50 screens.

You've got to remember that when you're trying to put together one of those shows, in some ways, even in the early days, when they were doing these things in the early 2000s, they were modelling them on what already existed, which were dramas. And so you thought, or sitcoms, you know, you'd have maybe this is quite a cross way of putting it, but it is the reality, the reality, an A plot, a B plot and a C plot, even though it was done with real life. And it became clear that when it really worked, they were sort of aping the conventions of drama. And then reality contestants and viewers did become very literate and they'd be like, oh, she's going for the villain edit because they thought, oh, it got them more screen time.

Because then quite quickly, those really early, you know, everyone says, the first series of Brig Blather is so different to anything else, the first series of Survivor is really different to anything else. The first series of all these things where people didn't know how to behave on that specific format and have ways of, Traters is another example, they have ways of kind of getting it and particularly wanting to get producers' attention. There's actually a memoir by a contestant on the Australian Bachelor which is called The Villain Edit and this is extraordinary. During filming she thought, oh hang on I can see I'm not really seriously being considered

as a person who's going to end up with this guy because she'd had about 15 minutes with him. So she said, oh, I wanted to buy myself more episodes. No, fatal. So she started offering little quips about the castmates. She started doing these little acid asides and she became a sort of funny, it was useful for the producers because you get, rather than them having to do a voiceover explaining what's happening, someone is offering that kind of editorializing of the action that's taking place. Oh God, it's like a game show when one of the contestants describes the dilemma you've just put them in, you go, great.

Thank you so much. I don't have to say that out loud. Exactly. But it is a slippery slope from being the kind of funny narrator to getting the villain edit and she did get it and then somebody ended up saying to her, you're a bad person. And she really took it all to heart the way she was in her view edited. Most people go away and like literally when she went back twice onto Bachelor in Paradise, deliberately seeking to say, I'm not that person I was portrayed as. She did get a more sympathetic edit and the second time she went on it she got a husband. Wow. Isn't that mad? Yeah, it's absolutely mad. But I have to say that in those early things they had something that was called Franken-Bites. This is so immoral by the way. But in those lawless kind of speaking of things, we've really got to do a special bonus episode on Mike Darnow. Oh my god, the absolute small evil genius of reality television. Truly a monster in so many ways, but in an entertaining one. In the US.

In the US. He had a show called Joe Millionaire, where they thought they were Manga Millionaire, but in fact this guy was just a sort of Joe Schmo. They created this impression that this pair of them had gone to the woods and had oral sex. And she said something like, do you think it's easier if we lie down? And in fact, that was audio from much earlier in the week where someone had done and a massage on one of, you know, and editors sort of suddenly, once you shed your morality, it's quite easy to think, okay, well, I've done it once now. And it was called Frankenbites. And they would literally put words and make completely different

things. Reactions to one thing were made to see my reactions to other things and it was really, really immoral. Which we have much less over here. I can't bear it if I'm watching a reality show over here and you see the cutaway of someone's reaction and you know it's not to the thing that just happened. I agree. I just think it's absolutely unacceptable in every way. You know, sometimes you go on a TV show

and they'll do it to you and you're just like... But I wasn't laughing at that. You can't show me laughing at that because it's not fair. At the same time, you know, if you're doing The Apprentice and someone sort of gives a side eye when someone said something, you think, I don't know if that side eye was to that because I don't know how you've got those two cameras both on. I don't know how you've got like a one shot of that person and you've weirdly captured this thing. I think it's

from somewhere else. This is like the Plot of Broadcast News. Well, they're two cameras. Yeah, exactly. But as I say, over here it's much less so. When people come across as vidents, it's because that's how they behaved and people don't like to see themselves. It's quite hard if you're a certain type of human being and then you come up against people you never met before and afterwards people go, I'm not sure you're the nicest person in the world. People don't really want to hear that about themselves. People don't really want to really confront their behaviors. You know, you see it on The Apprentice all the time as well and talking of that thing of all reality shows are edited backwards, but you know who's going to win. It's always worth those first three or four episodes of

the apprentice. You're always on episode four, you go, wait, hold on a minute, who's Martin? I haven't seen him before. You think, no, you haven't seen him before because there's like 20 contestants in that. And they really have to cut in the people who are going to be in the ballroom in those first three. And that's a lot of people. So the people who are going to go further in the process, you haven't seen them because their stories will start to emerge when there are fewer and fewer people. So if you have worked in that world, there are quite a lot of spoilers in those shows as to exactly how they're edited. It's hard not to know who's being voted out when you watch those shows, when you're watching the edit.

Except that one show, which I'm not going to say what it is or need the name of the contestant, but I spent the whole of the run of it saying to you, did that guy turn out to be a sex offender and they just can't get him out of the shots? Because I haven't heard him say one single thing. I started Googling to see if he'd been picked up for something because I honestly couldn't believe and I know you know which one I'm talking about. I do. As far as I can work out. As far as I can work out. As far as I can work out. As far as I can work out. He wasn't a sex offender. I honestly couldn't believe and I know you know which one I'm talking about

He wasn't his ex-offender I I don't know what happened there but anyway something happened something happened there because I never saw him speak Yeah They call that a purple edit named after a character called purple Kelly on season 12 of survivor When I think that was just she wasn't particularly interesting so she was edited around throughout So now when a contestant is absolutely chopped out they call it a purple edit. Well because you sometimes hear about actors going to see a you know a movie and being so embarrassed to discover that at the premiere that they're actually not in it anymore and that someone's in a gate to tell them but on a reality show that's quite that's

quite a different kettle of fish like well I'm not in like 16 episodes of this thing. How? You're just having to spot yourself in the background every now and again. God, I'd like to read, would I like to read her memoir? She's obviously quite boring, but you know, I love Purple Kelly's memoir. So sometimes I listen back to this podcast and it's just, it's all you and I'm like, wait a minute. I think it would be the other way round.

Hold on a second. Trust me, it would be the other way round. But yeah, you can these things are often edited like a drama, but by and large It's quite hard to make someone seem awful if they're not awful. No, but I don't but yes I you know in those in those world-west American shows of the noughties it was 100% possible to do that and people would just make offhand remarks and the way they put it with the incidental music or the different reactions, things were cut from whole cloth plot lines that just hadn't occurred. That doesn't happen here and we actually have much more recourse to various bodies for complaint

if you do feel something terrible. People often come out and say, and it's weird because I talked a lot about X and they didn't put any of it in, you go, yeah, it was really boring. I mean, what do you want us to do? We're not, you know, you do, there are certain... I'm making an entertainment show, sorry if it's confusing. I've gone on this to educate people about dyslexia when I'm a celebrity. Have you? Yeah, okay. Well, I'm sorry to break it to you Matt, but we didn't hear a lot about it. What was the Farage thing when he said, this is how you get in the edit? That was so, yeah. That was Farage when he said,

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days around a launch but his wife said to Chuck Summers his signature was getting too scrawly does this mean Richard is signing pages that are bound into books later or is Richard taking delivery of thousands of books at a time to sign? Yeah, it would be, but I think for maybe the fourth Thursday Medical I've got it at 48,000 signings. Later on if you're going into bookstores and things like that, once the book is out, you sign real books. If you go to a festival and you bring along a book and I can sign it and put your name

in it. Before then the bookshops in America say we'd like 2,000, we'd like 4,000. The bookshops in Australia say they want so many, you know, Waterstone, Smiths, they want something. And so that year that added up to 48,000, I've had to slightly cut back. And when that happens, now you get sent what are called tip-ins. So you just get huge boxes full of A4 bits of paper. And they have a template on each one which has the says the name of your book and you just sign those you're signing individual and they're cut down later and back bound into the book they're cut down and heat glued in when all the pages are are heat glued in so as long as you do them you know a few months in advance they then get heat

glued in so they're all really signed it's just as you say you say, 48,000 books. It would be, I mean, 48,000 bits of paper take up a room, let alone 48,000 books. And it's, I figure if it's, I did the maths where if it takes you five seconds to sign a book, because I'm quite fast at doing it, if it takes you five seconds, that is 66 hours worth of signing, which is signing for four hours a day for 16 days straight. And so as Snake in the Garden said, at one point Ingrid was looking over my shoulder and said, you cannot allow someone to have that in their book because my handwriting was getting so scrawly. And so I had to… Well, why are you going insane?

When I had to do it, I felt like I was going absolutely insane. I bumped into someone I knew in the street and couldn't speak because I couldn't explain what I'd really been doing, which is just writing my own name. Yeah, over and over and over again. Yeah. I found a school textbook a couple of years ago when I was at my mum's and I'd practised my signature in the front of that. And I just thought, you know what, be careful what you wish for.

The signature is exactly the same, but I was doing 48,000 of them. I didn't have a signature, I just write my name. I've never had a signature. And my agent said to me, it would be good if you developed a signature. I was like, what now? It's too late. I can't like, you know, go into bat right now with no signature and just try out on all these thousands of ones I've got to do. Not only develop a signature, develop a short one. Yeah. That's the key. I know I did feel bad because I try and make them all as you know, because it's a nice gift, but then I bought a copy of the the Taffy

Brutus act book long and compromise and it was it happened to be a signed copy and her signature a disgrace Really which made me feel really good. So I was yeah that made me feel very big. She's got a long name So yeah, but no tip ins are the thing during lockdown. Oh, you couldn't even get tip ins So you'd have tiny tiny little bits of paper that were, I mean, like boxes full of these things that were sort of the size of panini cards that you'd have to sign. And that made me feel ill.

Cause at least with like, you know, a bit of A4, you can move them about and you can sign. But that was like, kind of, you've got this and then you have to repack every single one of them in the same box it came from and send it back to America. but that was like kind of you got this and you have then you have to repack every single one of them and send it back to America but it's um there's some 48 000 I don't think I do 48 000 somebody said online that they didn't but said this is this is this is too perfect it's and I was like I'm so sorry your signature was too perfect and I said by the way it's this has been printed and I said tell you what why don't you go get yourself a drop of water and smear it down and that ink will run.

Yeah. And then they came back and apologized. Yes, God, well done. I was like, I'm sorry, having done it, I'm not going to have the accusation that it's been printed. I need to finally take a look at one. Have you ever signed a book for me? I don't know.

I can't remember, possibly. Yeah, typed it, typed your name, got like a robot to do it. Like an AI signature. Well no, there are those robot arms. I think Margaret Atwood has one. Yes. You know, where you write it on, she's signing in one time zone. In Canada. And it's coming out at the other end. So it is sort of her writing it, but it's coming via some wonderful technology. And some on satellites, that's probably not very nice.

If it's just those A4 bits of paper, you just sit there and do it by yourself. If it is books, you go into a book shop. Or just before Christmas last year, I signed 3,000 books for independent bookshops, because it's just before Christmas is a great time for them. And then you actually need a team of people, because you need someone to flip the book book that is to put it to the page where you're supposed to be signing it. Someone to pass it from here. Someone to unpack it from a massive box. Someone to flap it. Someone to pack it in another massive box and then people to take that massive box away. But in that even then you can do like a thousand an hour if you really go for it.

And that ladies and gentlemen is literature. That's literature. Marina Jess CB has a question for you in both rugby codes the refs are miked up in t20 cricket some fielders are also miked up and commentators refer to what they've heard on stump mic I would love to listen to player interaction so why do you think there has never been a red button option to listen to a mic live in football is this this due to a lack of demand, too much financial or logistical need or because the sport would not allow it? The number one reason is because of swearing. You can hear it in the US, obviously in the

US games are different, also the crowd noise is different. They're singing fight and win and let's go chiefs and stuff like that, like none of our chants, they're constantly having, if anything gets picked up, you're constantly apologizing for what's happened at football as it is. The pandemic was very difficult because obviously there were no crowds and although having said that if you didn't put the fake crowd noise on, who are you? It was so haunting. Yeah it was horrible, it was really dark, I had to have a fake crowd. Okay it's interesting, so there's lots of different reasons, the players union doesn't want it.

You have acknowledged, Jess, that it would probably be for swearing reasons, because you would hear so much swearing, but it doesn't matter, because the tabloids would just sit on the red button feed, and then you'd get 10 stories a day about what people were saying to each other, how they were interacting. It's the same reason all the players put their hands

in front of their mouth when they talk to each other now. Because they all... It's not just tactics, it's literally they're talking about something that they don't want in the daily express. And that's the reason that the players union doesn't want it. However, there are alternatives. We've almost got this one artifact that's really fascinating, which is in the 2018 Cup final, PGMOL, the match officials body and the Premier League allowed the footage to be from Michael Oliver,

who was the referee from his mic and they gave it to NBC in the US. They introduced this sort of thing as a kind of historic, like this is really interesting and you can still see it on YouTube, but this is from 2018. It's the only clip we have like this. So we don't really know what you would hear apart from this one thing. And I was watching it again. Um, and it's really interesting. Okay. Basically that, um, it's, it's Chelsea men United. Um, Eden Hazard is foul is fouled in my view, but I feel just anyway, okay.

But you hear what Michael Oliver is here from his mic as well. And the audio is like people are shouting dogs, dogsso, dogso, which means denying of his goalscoring opportunity. Then he's saying, not now, not now. Then all this, you can hear all the assistants coming in. I mean, this would be crazy if you were listening to this. So he's got an earpiece as in he's hearing all of this. And you're hearing what he's hearing. But I tell you what you're not hearing, because there's a point where he's saying, I want to talk to Gary, I want you to talk and saying I want to talk to Gary Gahill and you can hear what he's saying to the players on the bridge. You can see their body language.

Maybe they're saying cordially, I'm so sorry, I wonder if you wouldn't mind that going to VAR. Maybe they're saying that and he's saying it goes to VAR anyway. And so you're thinking you can't hear anything the players say. Now that is a conscious choice. If it's come, that's been stripped out. Yes, because it would have been picked up on the ref's mic. So they do have that audio. Believe me, because you can see the body language and everyone's like squaring up and it's a whole big thing. And obviously it's a very, very big decision. It's a cup final and it

was the only, it ends up being the only goal. It's the only time. And I don't fully know the story. Presumably they thought, let's just see what people think, but they've given it to another country's broadcast. Well because in America they often mic up umpires, it's historically a thing, so I imagine they said is there any way we could do this and they were like you're the rights holder over there but this goes nowhere, this doesn't for example end up on YouTube. Yeah, by the way. Anyway, watch it on YouTube because it's really interesting it's like but it's so chaotic and it's so there's so many different inputs yeah the thing I would conclude by saying Jess is that honestly

I do not want it I don't know about you but I don't want to hear any more from referees in the game only a less I want to hear less from you don't hear from the players no well I mean actually I would find that great fun because live you get to hear if you sit anywhere near pitch you you do get to hear you do get to hear what they're saying and they're just like a Matchful of that. No, but I don't want to hear any more from referees video assistant or otherwise or assistant in any form I just I listen we've had enough of experts, right? We thought it is a curiosity and it is fascinating and out of the game Not while I was actually watching it and trying to see a live event, but afterwards it is fascinating to hear what was going,

you know, as part of the analysis it could be very interesting, but I don't think as a sort of unmoderated and just as live red button feed it would be either safe or desirable and it's certainly not desirable for the players. They'd mic up golfers sometimes and that that has the opposite thing, which is mainly they're not talking to each other at all. And if they are talking to each other, it's a player saying to the caddy, who's still going to do that pasta that we had yesterday? Yeah, I think there's some. Can you heat it up? Can you heat up bolognese? Is that all right? You can heat it up, can't you? I'm not going to get food poisoning. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, we could just go we could go out couldn't we?

There's just is literally that for six hours Because of course we get the the VAR chat with referees like a month after the game now just to keep everyone Keep everyone on the 30 year rule in government papers once no one can care about this anymore Although they still can obviously then we finally allow you to see it Yes clever because like 19 other things have upset you in the meantime. Here is one for you about former Noel Edmonds sidekick Mr Blobby, Richard from Paul Minns. After watching Mr Blobby's appearance on Michael McIntyre's big show the other week, it got me wondering about this pink agent of chaos. Is Mr Blobby always played by the same person?

Who owns the IP? Does Noel Edmonds receive some kind of royalty each time the Blobmeister is on TV? In terms of his TV appearances, you can hire Mr Blobby suits and all sorts of things. So you yourself can be Mr Blobby if you want. Yeah. I mean, mainly knockoffs because Noel would be across that, but you can do it. But in terms of TV appearances, there's been two Blobby's. Barry Killaby was the original Blo blobby. He's the blobby who was around in the golden days. And he was a Shakespearean actor, Barry Killeby. But he helped put that physicality of the character, all that sort of thing. He said about it, people think it's easy bouncing around the just saying blobby, but they should try it.

Also, feel free not to. Because if everyone did it, the world would be a more arxome place. He retired in 2012, retired from the role of playing Bobby and passed it on to Paul Denson. So if you see him on TV or on YouTube or anything now, it is Paul Denson in that. As to who owns the IP, it's slightly difficult to tell. It's owned by Unique Entertainment, which is Noel's business, which, which wound up in 2005, knowing Noel as I do having worked with Noel as I have, if anybody is making a single penny from Mr. Blobby these days, it is Noel. He will still, he will still have his hand very much in that Blobby costume. That's for sure. So yeah, Noel, Noel still as it is a comedy writer called Charlie Adams who

helped come up with it with Noel. But yeah, it's always been under Noel's aegis. So two people have played him famously and the money, the profits are very much going down to Noel's New Zealand farmstead where he now lives and where ITV are about to do a three-part documentary. I'm so excited about this particular. Noel's New Life. Yeah, Noel's New Life in New Zealand. Listen, we will talk about that at length when it comes out. We really will.

But yeah, Mr. Blobby, just been two Blobby's. It's not like Doctor Who or something. They really, really pass it down the generations. We've got time for one final question I think we have. Pat McHogan asked, the first Shrek 5 trailer dropped. Yes, I've seen a lot about this. Consensus is the animations look quite different and not in a good way. The consensus being this is owing to 15 years of CGI improvements since Shrek 4.

How do animation studios juggle fan expectations with tech advancements and is there precedent for animated sequels reverting to older style animation styles to align with previous installments? Well in general there is, you know, it never goes lo-fi again, it just always advances. But someone at Dreamworks says that it's been updated because it matches the sort of Puss in Boots style. Oh, that makes sense, of course. Yeah, I mean the wisdom of that I'm not quite sure. So that's why the characters feel more angular and cartoony. Well, I mean, as we've discussed, it'll be interesting to see whether they stick with

it because they can tweak everything. As we've already talked about before in this podcast about what happened when the Sonic movie, the trailer, it was so poorly received. Cats. Yeah. They hated it. And actually, they read the whole thing and it became an absolutely monster hit. So they might, cats, obviously, but but I mean that remained not a monster hit.

It's fascinating that they would take it back to Puss in Boots. I mean, you would think that the Shrek's the bigger franchise, but... It's incredible how stupid, very, people can be I have to say I mean We'll have to see where that goes because it's it's a much beloved franchise to children come to it all the time because obviously these films Do better than anything on streaming? Yeah, so we'll have to we'll have to see how that one plays out But I will watch that because I think something will happen that you might very well find that they adapt after that trailer Yeah, could mr. Blobby still looks like he did all those years ago. So listen, there's

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