The Rest Is Football: Daly Brightness - Brilliant England Thrash The Netherlands

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

What changed in that “proper England” performance against the Netherlands? How did Alessia Russo’s brilliance set the tone, despite not scoring herself? How did the Lionesses use Hannah Hampton as a genuine weapon with the ball in their build up play? Millie, Rach and Ben Haines also discuss France’s victory against Wales and how they showed an impressive strength in depth to their squad. Wherever it takes you. It Starts with a Swipe ®. Download Tinder today. https://tinder.com/en-GB/download  For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Also apologies if Rachel does drop out, she is currently on her way back from a watch party so she actually is in a taxi so we'll excuse her on this one occasion. I want to hear, Rach, do you sound like you're underwater or not? I'm trying to listen. Listen, can you hear me? Yeah, yeah. We can hear you.

Okay, excellent news. I'm in a car. Like what commitment is this? Like I'm literally in a car. I'm on my way back from London. But anyway, guys, let's just talk about England because they were fucking sick tonight. It was so much better, wasn't it? Oh, I don't think I would have been able to sleep if we'd have lost. I'd have been so depressed. But listen, that is proper

England. That's what we wanted. That's proper England. I said this a half time. So I did like I say a tactical review. I have no idea about tactics, but it was okay. I did a lot with you. All right, coach Daly, I thought you hated management and coach. It was like, let's give you a tactical analysis. I was like, I'm gonna fucking suck. Like basically, but. Did you have a tactics board? I was like, so do this, do this, do this.

No, I actually think that we went back to the old way, didn't we? Like everyone was firing on all cylinders. Like everyone was so good. I don't think any player lost a duel. Guys, just everyone just shut the fuck up a minute and talk about Hannah Hudson's pass. I'm not even surprised though. I literally see that every day in training. I'm not even surprised.

That pass, like I was in a watch party and I sat in the room like quiet. That made the goal. Oh my God. I was like, I actually really wanted Lester to score it because I thought, oh my God, she's gonna get an assist because how she picked that out was nothing. And just like pick that through. Oh my God.

I was like, oh my God. That is her level. That's her ability. We're gonna score here. We're gonna score. But that is her level. That's her ability. She's gonna score. We're gonna score here. We're gonna score. Like that was, that pass, the way it went out, I was like, that's gonna be a goal.

To be fair, the first 10 minutes were like a little bit shaky from both teams because Viv had a opportunity really early on and she took a big, if she'd have took a better touch, one-nil. And it's just mad, like that is football. It can sway one way and immediately, what I loved though is that they had that big chance

and I was thinking, oh fuck, like she should have scored. Then we went down the other end and Les should have had too. So we had that like bounce back and I loved how just like, like you said, Rach, we were just a bit more like old school England, like a bit more direct, like put it in behind them, their defense didn't want to deal with it. And then we're just aggressive,

like everyone winning battles. Exactly what we said before going into this, it was like there was zero panic, like and you could see said before going into this, it was like there was zero panic, like and you could see it from minute one, it was like there was no panic, like even if you've had that opportunity. Just urgency though. No one cared, no one cared there was a chance, like no one gave a shit, it was like let's go on.

Exactly. And dominate this game and I think from, there's Pure Jim. Oh hello, Pure Jim. There was literally like no sense of panic and And I was like, we said this, they know, like, they won't have a panic, like, there'll be no sense of like, but they had urgency though, which is what I liked. Yeah, it was a sense of urgency. But in a way that it was like, was channeled very channeled by not rushing, doesn't matter what happens. happens. Yeah, like even if we missed a couple of chances, like it was almost like we knew there was another one, literally from like minute five, I said, I was like, we're going to win this

game. Like no, like no shit. It was just, it was so nice to watch. Yeah. I just loved the tackles. Like I loved like the aggressiveness and not just from like defenders, but from less at the front to all the way to the back. I think everyone won their individual battles. And of course, Netherlands had chances. They're a top team, you're gonna concede opportunities. But the fact that we had no panic, we were just ruthless. It was just like, we are going to win this game.

And that was the aura of this Lioness' team. I absolutely loved it. I thought it was class. And to be honest, it could have been more. Could have been more. Even, I mean, other than Viv's chance quite early on, that was probably just a little wake up call they needed just to be like stay focused. But Mills, you said like you see it all the time with Hannah in training. Take us into that a little bit and tell us what she's like in training because today it felt like

her range of passing was, it's always good but the way she was striking the ball 60 yards without the ball even deviating, just staying at the same height, it's ridiculous. With H, she's worked so, so hard and with her, her ability has never been the question. It's the consistency. And to be at the top, like, Rachel, back me on this. You can't just be doing that on a one-off. Like you need to be doing it consistently. And I think she's getting to that place now where she's, she's, her performances are staying at that level. And it's not like one or two passes that are good.

It's like majority of her passes are good. And you know what? She's not afraid to take risks. Like you've seen it in the game, no end of times, she's put Hempel in behind, one pass. She does it at Chelsea week in week out, but she's now doing it for England on the international stage at a tournament where in a game when everything's riding on it, that pass is honestly, it's a joke, but I'm not surprised because I see her zing it like that every single day. But her range of passing is ridiculous. I think an outfield player plays that pass. And like, yeah, people don't like it,

but like, no, I'm really batsmiled. But like, I was in a room where everyone was like, what a pass, oh my God, what a guy. I was like, I just was like, it's Hannah. Like, I played with Hannah at club, obviously, before Millie did. And I remember her going over to Chelsea and I'm like, listen, like, you're gonna get some,

like, you're gonna see something that you don't really see very often because she loses confidence in a way that is like, I don't like, she just has it. Do you know what I mean? So I think I, we played in it, Villa, it was one of those things where it was like, right, listen, I'll never forget this Millie, right? We played against Chelsea at Walsall. So it's a shit pitch at the time. I remember it's a shit pitch at the time. I remember it was in a really bad state. And the whole game plan was like, Rach, play offside. Just play offside. Hannah's going to get it to you. And every single time, to be fair to you, Millie, you weren't playing. But I don't think your back line genuinely knew what that offside

rule was because they set their line up to the halfway line and she would just absolutely pelt it. Yeah, I was injured at that time. what that offside ball was because they set their line up to the halfway line and she would just at that time she would pelt it over the halfway line and I was just in like probably says more about me than her because it never went in the car but I think like she it was like it was like a genuine like it was like a trait of like she can kick this ball so far like yeah it's not even far but it's on a dime and I I think, like Millie says, like consistently doing that is a really hard thing to do. But I remember messaging Hannah before this time, and I was like, listen, like, do your stuff, like you've got a really good opportunity here, like go and do your stuff. And it gives me pride to think that like,

I see her growing into this because like, I think it's been a long time coming, but I think she's gained that sort of trust. She stepped into the shoes of literally the best goalkeeper in the world, which was Mary. She stepped into the shoes of a really hard place to fill. They both equally bring the most talent. We were so blessed at England to have two of the most talented goalkeepers in very different ways as well. Yeah. I think today that she really showed her confidence. Yeah, what you see with Hannah though, Mills, I'm sure you see in training, she can play right back, she can play centre back, she can play centre forward. She actually can play in a number of positions, so to see her distribute that, it was a joy because it's

like, okay, you're actually doing what you know you can do. I'm going to be really sneaky and get some more insight from you, Mills, on another person that I know you won't be surprised to see just taking the absolute piss out of everyone on the pitch with LJ scoring the goals that she did tonight. The first one was just another one of those goals that probably only she scores. Oh, 100 do you know what I love it I know they played her in the 10 in the first game but LJ out wide is different. It's different. It's better tonight like that wasn't it? Better out wide because yeah but she she's a player that can go 1v1 she's a very different winger to all the other wingers but when she rolls inside she's got a great

connection with Lucy as it is because they played together at club but she's and Rach back me up on this when you have a winger that overloads the inside pocket it is the most annoying thing in the world because the fullback doesn't know whether to step does the centre back take over do you do you track do you it's so annoying do the midfielders take her and with LJ you can give her the ball it doesn't matter if you've got three players around she's probably going to come out with the ball you don't know if she's going to doesn't matter if you've got three players around, she's probably gonna come out with the ball. You don't know if she's gonna pass, is she shooting, is she dribbling?

That goal. I think that's what's annoying about that connection though, because she drifts inside, she drifts outside, she steps up, she goes beyond Alessio, she drops lower than Tooney. She's got it all, but Lucy will always occupy that channel. Exactly. So no matter where she goes,

if she goes wide, Lucy will go inside. If she goes inside, Lucy will go wide. She goes inside, Lucy will go wide. Like they just have that like natural ability to connect and just. You just know where each other are. I think you see it even on a throw in. Like it's such a, it's such an invaluable connection and you've got to feel for me though, cause I don't think she did a lot like it wasn't like she did anything wrong. But I think.

I think it's just to offer something different. Yeah, exactly. You know what, if you look back at our previous episode, I said maybe one or two changes based on tactics. So you obviously see Alex at left back and you've seen LJ on the wing. And I think that's exactly what it was. And I think Tony coming in the tent helped. Exactly. Tony offered a different dimension in the tent.

She was breaking up. Well, you've got to rat around in there. You've got to rat around in the field. Also, also, also, guys, just stop there. I need to just talk about Alessia because her defensive plate was insane. Yeah. I really wanted to score though, Rach, she had two massive opportunities. Don't worry.

I was gutted for her. Don't worry. She's two offside goals now as well. I know. Guys, guys, shut up. Both of you. Okay. It is. I was gutted for a... Don't worry, as a striker... She's two offside goals now as well. Guys, shut up. Both of you. Okay. I don't know where this chick's been tonight, but this sassiness. No.

I think England must have won. No, listen, listen, listen, listen. She will take this time at fight, I can't start, let me tell you. But what people don't see, and I hate this as a striker, I will fucking wag my finger. I'm telling you. I'll wag my finger until I'm finished.

Because what people don't see as a striker, that defensive role is so hard. It's so hard. And she was pressing left and right. Like, I know she's created chances. I know she's, she, she was outside a couple right like I know she's created chances I know she's she she was outside of times but give the girls some credit like Jesus Christ that is such a hard role to do like she got three assists tonight to be fair without her doing that we don't win that game we don't score the goals we've

scored talking about the fact that she got three assists she's so deceptively quick as well it's like oh well as is. It's like, oh, Alessia Russo's not a squad. No, fuck that. Like, Alessia Russo will score and she will take this time and by literally everyone will look back at this and be like, whatever. She got three assists, she broke up play, she started the whole entire press for most of them goals. So I, as a striker, like I know I'm getting annoyed, but it really bugs me because you don't see the work

that goes into that. Like all the press, like Millie, you know, the defensive work starts from the front. So if she doesn't press them down, she was pressing Van Damselaar like she had, like, like shitting her eyes. Like she was saying. But she sets the tone for the team.

That's what we were saying last time. It's like a domino effect. If someone wins it, if someone gets stuck in and slides in, even if you don't win the ball, you're like, fucking hell, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna win it now. Like it's, a domino effect. If someone wins it, if someone gets stuck in and slides in, even if you don't win the ball, you're like, fucking hell, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna win it now. Like she sets the tone. So Hannah's got that worldy pass, right?

But Alessia's created the next part for LJ to score, right? Jordan doesn't score that goal without Alessia defending. It's all Alessia's work defensively or on the ball that makes those first three goals. She creates opportunity like nobody sees that and it really really winds me up because it's like there's so much more to your game than just scoring goals like and that's why Alessia is so good and that's why she is the best one of the best number nines in the world. Back to goal she's the best number nine in the world isn't she?

Yeah. In terms of fizzing a ball into someone and watching the way that she'll just spin people or just hold them off and like almost by you, five or 10 seconds for everyone to get their breath back and move maybe 20, 30 yards up the pitch. There's not really anyone better. But we have this like running joke at Villa because Lucy Stan is really good friends with Alessia. And obviously like, I mean, I love Les.

I will back Les till I'm blue in the face, but less cause so many goals while she's on the floor. So if you watch back at Alessia's goals in the last two years, have a look at how many goals she's caused on the floor, but it's because of her absolute grit and desire to get there. So for me, the way she throws her body about, like it's not, it's not unbelievable for me. Like she, I can see it week in week out.

She's literally diving in left and right to try and create something. If she doesn't score it, how can I create something for somebody else? How can I win this game? So everyone's going, oh, Alessia's not scored. Bullshit. Like, Alessia's created three goals for England. On that, Will, you know that she's had two chances where she's scored, she's been like marginally offside, or Mido was like marginally offside. As a striker, does it give you confidence, even if you get a goal disallowed, that you took a chance when it came? Are you still thinking like, when the next one comes to me, I'll score anyway? Do you know what I think, because okay, so she's got a couple of disallowed offside, whatever, but she's in the position and there's times when it wasn't offside, you know, there's a couple with

a head that she's missed, right? But she's literally getting sandwiched by two gigantic Dutch centre backs and she's still winning a header. Like, give the girl some credit. Like, this is what I hate. Like, we shy away from the fact that this person's actually playing insane, but she's just been unfortunate. Like, equally, she's suddenly making those headers. Like, she's got two massive centre backs, like challenging every these balls and winning every header. Like, like come on, I don't know, don't it? Before Rach has a mental breakdown, we are gonna go for a quick break

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They get back level in the game and I know most people will have seen this and will be feeling exactly the same as me, but it genuinely felt different to the Netherlands game. It felt like they've learnt from that and if they could just get through to half time, then maybe there was a chance that they could kind of grow into the game and keep France out. The other day, Viv Miedema does this ridiculous double chop and then smashes the ball into the top corner. It was nonsense. It's like one of those things that only Viv does, right? The problem was today is that Wales,

the other day, I was really keen to point out that it wasn't their fault that they conceded in the 47th minute. There was nothing they could do. Viv was just on one of those days. Today, it was a little bit different. It was just a reminder of what tournament football is all about. A tiny mistake, a little bit of ill discipline. They gave away a soft penalty and ended up then

losing any momentum that they'd built. Yeah. Conceded right on the stroke of half time and then conceded pretty quickly after half time into the second half. And though Wales are not out, it's gonna take a crazy swing against England, which just by any sense of normal reality

is just not gonna happen. But on the positive side, seeing Jess Fishlock have that moment and celebrate with the Wales fans and give them something to shout about and give them something to hold on to. I think that's so important at major tournaments that when you go away as a fan, you leave and you think, I've got that, you know, I'm leaving here with something kind of thing. And then on top of that, she went off with a few minutes to go and then I know you'll be buzzed about this Mills but Sophie Ingle came on and that is just so special considering how hard you you've seen her work as well yeah

it's always nice like I don't like seeing any of my teammates I don't like seeing anyone injured like period but knowing the work that Sophie's put in and you know, she's absolutely smashed it out the park, her rehab to be fair, because you know how complicated these recoveries can be when it's your ACL and stuff like that. But you know, she's got her head down, she's really worked hard and not only to be selected for the Euros, to then be able to, you know, make her dream come true and go on the pitch. I think it's a testament of her character, her mentality and the player that she is, having the ability to push on for that.

I think she should absolutely be proud of herself and she's always so proud to represent Wales and every time she pulls on that shirt, I know it's really important for her. So yeah, on a personal level, really, really happy for her. But what do we think of, does that show how strong the depth of the France squad is?

Being able to rotate, like you said, that many players and mean, do you know what I mean? It's not, you're not out the group till you're out the group. So to be able to show that confidence, does that show that they're in a really, really strong place? Yeah, I think we learned quite a lot about France tonight. I think France are definitely gonna be in that elite group. I think we've quite a lot about France tonight. I think France are definitely going to be in that elite group. I think we've all got to still look at Spain. Spain seem to be

operating on a bit of a different planet to everyone else. I think they're leading the tournament, aren't they? They feel like that. In terms of performances. Yeah. I think one for me is like group games are just, you've got to get out of them. Yeah. I don't like, you saw what you said the other day Ben, like we're not really seeing the tournament in full swing because I don't, I think a lot of people are playing it like, let's just get out of the group and then you're going to see a different side. Like the way, the way we saw England tonight, right? What annoyed me about everything is that it's like, oh, England, you know, they lost the first game. Like, okay, we can all point the finger at like what we you know they lost the first game like okay we can

all point the finger at like what we think went wrong in the England game but at the end of the day they were playing a world-class French side that will probably go on and like really succeed in this tournament but what we saw tonight was like a completely different wave of like okay we're we're not messing about it like we are we're we're here to beat and I think take that level it. We're here to beat. Take that level of maturity, that level of ability, and that level of we know how to find a way to win through to the next stage. How do you match it? There is mentality. Once you get out of the group stage, it's completely mentality. It doesn't matter if you score 11 goals in the group game. It doesn't matter if you score 11 goals in the group game. 11 goals in the group game, it doesn't matter. Because what happens outside of that group is what really matters.

You've got three well done, particularly Vox, but it's now game by game. I think the dangerous side to that is that it gives them a hell of a lot of confidence and momentum. Of course it does, but you can argue. The teams that aren't up there, they're exerting a lot more energy. Spain have been in control of both of their games so far, and they're not exerting as much energy as what others are. Like you look how much energy we had to use today to get this over the line. Everything had to be attack, attack, attack.

Like we've got to go, we've got to work hard, you've got to win all your battles, you've got to sprint that a little bit faster. That's the only downside. I agree with that completely. Like I'm just fully on your side in that sense. But equally, like, does that give you a sense of composure? Like we're flying in the group stage, so we're going to win everything else. But I do think you gain momentum in a tournament.

Like you if you start strong, you don't really then dip like you keep the ball keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger, you roll on, roll on. They're in full control. I just think they might be in control. I do agree with that. But I do think there's a sense of once you get out of the group... You know what it's like as a player, if you're shooting and scoring... I just think once you get out of the group, it's anybody's game. Anybody can win on any given day. Oh for sure, like I said, it's a one-off game. I 100% agree with you, I genuinely believe Spain are probably the frontrunners in this tournament right now, right?

But we're saying that because they've scored 11 goals. But I think because of their performances, they've not looked rocky. No, I know, but equally. They're the only team that haven't looked rocky. They've not had the same group as what other teams have had. Do you know what I mean? It's really hard to go... I agree, coming to this tournament, don't get me wrong, I was like, Spain are flying.

Like they're probably the team that you want to beat, right? But I think when you look at, if you get out of this, whoever gets out of our group, it's like, shit, like that's a group you want to get out of. Once you get out of there, it's like, okay, what's next? And yes, they're in a really good position. They're going to miss flying flying like they're leading. But on any given day, it's anybody's game. And I just think a hundred percent I agree with you.

Like they are the team to beat in my opinion, in your opinion, probably in Ben's opinion. Like we're probably all in the same boat in the fact that they're- It is anyone's game. I think that is the tournament. I just think that right now they've set the standards of the tournament.

And I think everyone else needs to now step up to that. Let me just chop one thing into the mix there as well. The only thing that complicates that for everyone, France obviously playing really well, Spain playing really D, essentially their path is to play the winners of Group B if they both progress through to the semifinals. So it's actually sort of weirdly counterintuitive because France have played really well. They've gone out and got two wins, have scored some decent goals on the way. But as you're both rightly saying,

Spain probably the team to beat. Well, France are going to have to go out and show that they can do it in the semi-finals. We'll get a really good measure then. Obviously Spain have scored so many goals, but they are very vulnerable defensively. And France are so good on the counter-attack, so it's like, I actually really think that's probably my favourite game to watch is France against Spain. I think they both counteract each other? How do you think, it's basically Germany or Sweden to potentially go through in their group top. How do you think, who do you think you'd almost prefer? I know it's looking too far ahead.

If you were to look at them, who would you rather face out of Germany or Sweden? I don't know, I'm a bit stuck. I think generally Germany in a tournament you don't want to face because I think they can always find a way. Germany and Sweden, they're both really strong sides at one you don't want to face in the tournament. Like they're both equally like teams that you don't want to like go down further down the line and like face them. I think both teams know how to win. That's the dangerous part. But I think every team showed their vulnerabilities so far, but every team has also come back from something. So it's like, everyone's in the same boat, really.

It's hard. I don't know. Like you said, Rach, they're both gritty teams. They know how to win. They know how to dig out results. Maybe Germany take the lead on that just because of their attacking threats and when they really wanna turn it on,

I don't know, you've gotta be at your best defensively. Gotta get through Wales first. Exactly. Get that done. Enjoy the weekend. Exactly. Anyway, I'm just buzzing off the back of your head. When you on the pitch? Oh, mate, I had a disaster today. So I played in like a media game.

Basically we had like the Dutch journalists against the English sort a media game. Basically, we had the Dutch journalists against the English sort of media group. I'm one of these awful people that I think in my mind that I can just go out and enjoy playing football. I clearly can't. The moment I put my boots on, suddenly it becomes like... Ben, why is the result? We lost 8-6 and I scored an own goal and like basically was responsible for three goals that we conceded as well. So without my performance, we might have won. Okay, I think we're going to exit Ben from the chat. Do you know what though, one thing that did make me feel a little bit better, right, so

I've had this absolute stinker on the pitch and then I'm walking back through the fan zone on the way back and they've got on one of the big screens, Rachel getting nutmegged by against Spain and like it cuts to right out of Bob Matty's face going like this. And then I thought that's a bit unfair, right? And then I walked about two yards further down and I had a picture of you Mills, like after having conceded a goal on the floor, holding your face like that. And I thought, do you know what? It happens to the best of us. If it can happen to you too, then it's all right. Exactly.

Okay. Okay. And that's the end of Ben's journey on the podcast. Thank you, bye. It's fun while it lasted. On a normal day I would just end it, but because I like you very much, I'm gonna hang up gently, but okay. Talk to you then, bye. Go on, swivel on it.

Yeah, just hang around her, if you lose every single game against every single baby team. Right, guys, that is it for today's episode of the Rest is Football Daily Brightness. Tomorrow we'll be releasing the next episode in our Euro 2022 Rewind series. It's all about the group stage from three years ago as we relive those brilliant games and give you an insight into what life was like in camp during that period. Goodbye from me and have a great week everyone. Bye! Bye!