The Rest Is History - 466. The Murder of Franz Ferdinand: The Conspiracy (Part 2)

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

Gavrilo Princip, having been sent to school in Sarajevo, has become mixed up with the wrong crowd, and is now entangled in a secret Serbian nationalist organisation, the Black Hand. Hoping to be more involved in the struggle for a greater Yugoslavia, he’s left for Belgrade, and after a few years, sets in motion a plot, supported by his underground network. The Austro-Hungarian emperor is on his deathbed, and now is the perfect time to eliminate his heir, Franz Ferdinand, and spread chaos across the Balkans… Join Tom and Dominic in the second part of our series on the murder that sent shockwaves through the world, as they look at the simmering tensions in the Balkans and the wider Habsburg Empire, the various nefarious groups conspiring for power and revolution, and the young man at the heart of it all. _______ *The Rest Is History LIVE in the U.S.A.* If you live in the States, we've got some great news: Tom and Dominic will be performing throughout America in November, with shows in San Francisco, L.A., Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Boston and New York.  *The Rest Is History LIVE at the Royal Albert Hall* Tom and Dominic, accompanied by a live orchestra, take a deep dive into the lives and times of two of history’s greatest composers: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Ludwig van Beethoven. Tickets on sale now at TheRestIsHistory.com _______ Twitter: @TheRestHistory @holland_tom @dcsandbrook Producer: Theo Young-Smith Assistant Producer: Tabby Syrett Executive Producers: Jack Davenport + Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thank you for listening to The Rest Is History. For weekly bonus episodes, ad-free listening, early access to series, and membership of our much-loved chat community, go to therestishistory.com and join the club. That is therestishistory.com. The Austrian heir apparent has announced his intention of visiting Sarajevo early next year. Every Serb will take note of this. Serbs, seize everything you can lay hands on. Knives, rifles, bombs, dynamite. Take holy vengeance. Death to the Habsburg dynasty.

Eternal remembrance to the heroes who raised their hands against it. So that was, Dominic, the Serbian emigre newspaper... Svobodan. Svobodan. Svobodan. Which was published in December 1913. And people who've listened to our first episode on the outbreak of the First World War, and we're looking at the build-up to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

in Sarajevo by Gavrila Princip, will already have recognized the fact that my mastery of Balkan languages and pronunciation isn't all it can be. But fortunately, master of tongues and Balkan old hand, Dominic Sandbrookok is alongside me. And Dominic, this is an extraordinary story, isn't it? Yeah. So in the first episode, we were looking at the life of Gavrilo Princip. He's grown up a poor peasant. He's moved to Sarajevo. He's very bookish. He's very poor. He's very resentful of Austrian rule. And above all, he wants to see, well, Yugoslavia, a land of the Southern Slavs established in place of Austro-Hungarian rule. And in hope of achieving that, he has gone to Belgrade, the capital of Serbia. So that's where

we left the story. And people who listened to that first episode will probably remember that we are actually recording this live in sarajevo aren't we we are we're recording in a wonderful bar called the tesoro on semi multinovia so for anyone who wants to uh who fancies a wonderful bar come and check that out and uh that's why we may get um that kind of background noise the sound of tram so a tram is just going past and dominic we talked in the first episode didn't we that um sarajevo has the first tram system in the austro-hungarian empire very exciting first electric tram yeah so that newspaper that you started with tom it was actually published in chicago so that is a serbian american emigre newspaper so i should have done it in an American accent?

You should have done it in an American accent. Oh, I missed the chance there. You did it in a very aristocratic voice, I thought. Yeah, it's kind of the sound of Serbian liberty. Right, okay, fine. So that actually gives you a sense of the... That's the atmosphere in which Gavrilo Princip is kind of... It's steeped. It's the atmosphere he's hanging around in. We ended last time with him just sort of drifting around these cafes in Belgrade that are full of either people who fought in the Balkan Wars, that have expanded Serbian basically, a young lad in that situation,

you're intellectual, you're put upon, you want to make a mark. The kind of classic thing you do is basically shoot a member of a royal family, isn't it? That's right. So we looked in the first episode. There've been loads and loads of assassinations of royal figures.

Yeah. And it's the go-to thing. I mean, it's just what you do. It is. It's fashionable, frankly. There are lots of copycat assassinations of prime ministers of, as you said, kings and queens in the 1890s and 1900s.

And as we discussed last time, Princip has this model of this fellow called Bogdan Zerich, who had tried to and failed to shoot the Austrian governor of Bosnia Herzegovina and had then turned the gun on himself and Princip clearly wants to emulate this guy who he thinks is his role model the person that he's thinking about assassinating is actually the new governor of Bosnia who is a guy called General Oskar Potiorek.

And he thinks, obviously, well, I'll succeed where Zerich failed and I'll shoot the governor and that will be a tremendous blow against the Habsburg authority. But then there is this absolutely transformative meeting that by his own account,

he has in March 1914. And he's in the coffee house, isn't he, belgrade and who does he meet he meets a guy called nedeljko chabrinovich so he meets his friend as tom so beautifully put it nedeljko chabrinovich that's right and he is from he's from an interesting background his father's coffee merchant in Sarajevo. He conforms, like his friend Gavrilo Princip, to the stereotype. He's a high school dropout. He hasn't found a niche. He's rebelled a little bit against his family.

And he has become a typesetter for the government printing works in Belgrade. So he has moved from Sarajevo to belgrade as gavrilo did and he is like gavrilo you know he's reading poems he's dreaming about making a name for himself all this kind of stuff now their story that they tell about this meeting in march 1914 goes like this one day chabrinovich got a letter, an anonymous letter, he says, from home, from Sarajevo. And he opened it up, and it just had a newspaper clipping in it. And the newspaper clipping was the announcement that at the end of June that year, 1914, the Austrian heir, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, would be making an official visit to Bosnia

in his capacity as the Inspector General of the army to watch some military exercises and to have a tour of Sarajevo. And Shabrinovich tells the story later on at the trial. He says, I took this clipping and I went down to a cafe. Now accounts differ about whether it was the Acorn Garland Cafe or a cafe called the Little Goldfish. anyway one of these cafes they all hang around him gavrilo princip is there and supposedly was there dancing a traditional serbian dance that sounds improbable right when the dance is finished nadeliko comes up to him and says how you doing blah blah look at this look at this newspaper clipping the archduke franz ferdinand is coming to sarajevo now if you believe the more, how shall I put it, the more excitable versions of the story, Gavrilo reads the story,

he says nothing. And then he says to Ciprianovic, meet me here later this evening. So what is amazing is that there is a kind of very heated spy thriller quality to lots of the accounts of what's going on. It's kind of Eric Ambler, isn't it? Very Eric Ambler. But the truth is you don't actually need that kind of sexing up no i mean this really is what's going on exactly it is a kind of murky world of spies and espionage and i suppose the problem with knowing what's going on in espionage stories is that the sources are covered up yeah so that is a problem in working out exactly who is driving this plot, right? And what actually is happening.

It is because also so many of the accounts of this depend upon what they said at the trial. And actually at the trial, the various conspirators told contradictory stories, stories that often magnified their own role in events, or perhaps sometimes downplayed it as though they were trying to blame somebody else. But also, of course, they may not have known themselves who's operating in the background. So if you want an example

of the kind of very Gavrilo Princip-centered version of events, there's a brilliant book by Frederick Morton called Thunder at Twilight. And he has this very lush spy through Eric Amblerler passage they finally do meet up in the cafe that evening they go for a walk in the park prince spoke at last softly he asked his friend whether he would help him kill the crown prince of austria silence chabrinovich nodded

silence in prince's blue eyes gleamed the light of a distant lantern i will find the weapons prince said they shook hands all this he can't possibly know this no so people are projecting gleamed the light of a distant lantern. I will find the weapons, Princep said. They shook hands. All this. He can't possibly know this. So people are projecting onto the story elements of spy thrillers that they want to be there. But there are accounts

that don't kind of turn into a spy thriller. So Tim Butcher's brilliant book, The Trigger, which we mentioned in the first episode. I mean, he very much advances the case that it is originating with Princep. Yes. So there are a couple of possibilities case that it is originating with Princep. Yes. So there are a couple of possibilities here.

Maybe Gavrilo Princep did come up with the idea. Maybe another of his friends did. Or maybe actually they are being manipulated by shadowy forces, Tom, that they don't fully understand. And the only honest answer, actually, historians have put forward rival theories, but the only honest answer is we can never know

because there is no paper trail it's quite probable that they didn't know themselves or some of them didn't know themselves actually the person who said the wisest thing about this was uh somebody you were very keen on sir edward gray the british foreign secretary yes great fly fisherman yes he said in the 1920s when people asked him about the origins of the first world war he said probably there is not and there never was any one person who knew all there was to know so and actually i was saying that tom a bosnian military officer walked past us the perfect timing looking at you a little bit suspiciously you're looking at us suspiciously so we're in that world ourselves aren't we are so let's continue with Princip's own account for now as told by Tim Butcher in the trigger he says

Princip was the driving force behind the plot he gets Trubinovich to help him and another friend of theirs who's Princip's old schoolmate who's also in Belgrade who is a man called Trifko Grabesch and if uh people familiar with the rest of this history want to get a sense of trifco grabesh he looks uncannily like our former producer dom johnson who also looks uncannily like oswald mosley so that might be another way for people to visualize this guy trifco so anyway these three guys, Dom Johnson, Princip, and Srebrenovic, they're meeting up in these cafes, supposedly planning the assassination. And what they do, if you believe this story,

is they get a friend to approach a man called Milan Siganovich. So Milan Siganovich was a war veteran. He had fought in the Balkan Wars. He is a guy who's hanging around that milieu and people know that he has connections to paramilitary groups. So he'd fought against the Bulgarians. He works at the state railways,

but people know him as a man who knows people. He could find you a gun. He'll find you a gun. And after a series of kind of shady cafe meetings, Siganovich says to them, you know, I will find you a gun. I'm really restraining myself from doing a kind of Balkan voice. Good for it, Dominic. That's all the listening with your mastery of Balkan accents.

I will find grenades. Right. So he finds them the gun. He finds them the grenades. And then he leads them out of Belgrade, doesn't he? Up to a park. Yes. Which I read had the brilliant name Belgrade, doesn't he? Yeah. Up to a park. Yes. Which I read had the brilliant name of Top Cider.

Top Cider. So kind of like a strong bow or something. Right. He takes them to Top Cider Park, which is just outside Belgrade. It's half sort of park, half forest. And he says, right, I'm going to train you now on how to use the grenades and how to use the pistols. Now, let's stop the narrative right there. In one of those films where the guy says,

how did I get here? Let's stop right there. Where has Milan Siganovich got these weapons from? Well, I know. You know this? I do know the answer to this. Oh, great. So I was reading this in Christopher Clarke's The Sleepwalkers. Yeah.

That previously, the Serbs had got their armaments from a French company. And this was an arrangement that had begun in 1906. And previously, they had got it from the Austro-Hungarian Empire based in Prague, a company called Skoda. And my eyes lit up because we have just bought a Skoda Yeti, which is very popular for people who live on Scottish estates. They all have them. Theo, their producer, is absolutely appalled by this revelation.

Shaking his head very sadly. It's self-indulgence, isn't it, Theo? So listen, you're right. The Serbs, as part of their geopolitical rebalancing, their reorienting, had reoriented towards France and Russia, away from Austria-Hungary. But we don't need to get too deep into that now. Siganovich gets these weapons from another man

called Major Vojislav Tankusic. So Tankusic, who is in the Serbian army, has got them six bombs and four revolvers. We know that he obtained them from a Belgrade arms dealer in December 1913. So Tankosic is affiliated with a nationalist group called Narodna Odbrana, National Defense. This had been set up in Serbia after the Austrians had annexed Bosnia-Herzegovina. So people were obviously very cross about that. And they had said, let's form an organization that will fight for Bosnia to become Yugoslav, to become part of a greater Serbia. And they had lots of sort of supporters in towns and

villages across Serbia. They had supporters in Bosnia. They trained people. They would say, we would train volunteers to be guerrillas, to be paramilitaries. But actually, Narodna Odbrana doesn't really, it's a bit of a talking shop.

It's kind of well-known, it's public, but they don't carry out any... Is it actually a front for a much more shadowy organization? It is. We love a shadowy organization. Would this organization in serbian

yeah be called the ujet in genji illy schmert with an exclamation mark and uh so that's some union or death do you want me to tell you how to pronounce it yeah go on because you've got to raise your voice at the end of that because there is an exclamation mark and again it i like it because it reminds me uh eliza my younger daughter when she wrote her name would always put an exclamation mark really after her name frankie you're you're in very um self-referential form in today's episode tom this is the way i'm approaching it i have to say i'm not familiar with this story at all so this organization union or death or unification or death is better known by its extraordinary nickname the black hand

the black hand yeah the black hand is very tinted isn't it or very I mean everything about this is tinted now I would say the vast majority of historians who've written about this believe that actually it is the black hand that came up with the plot why is it called the black hand it's just a great name and as you will see they just made it up though I mean because I thought it was called union or death it is called union death but it becomes known as the black hand and as we will see but why does it become known as the black hand because it's a good name right okay but as we will see tom having a name like the black hand and having that kind of reputation is really important to this organization for political purposes it's kind of like sectarian

masons basically it is we'll get on onto that so most historians have written about this believe that the black hand are directing the whole thing and that princip and his friends are actually useful idiots as thomas otty says in his book july crisis they're useful idiots zealous but ignorant and so deniable so union or death the black hand was founded in 1911 so it's founded in between the bosnian annexation crisis and the first balkan war it has seven original founding members most of them are people who had taken part in the conspiracy we talked about last time to murder the king and queen of serbia so the regicides so these guys have done this hideous murder and are still hanging around kind of nationalist paramilitary politics one of them's got a breast in his briefcase, right? Exactly. Breast of the murdered queen.

Major Tankasic is one of them. But the most famous one, the guiding light of the organization is a man we talked about last time, Dragutin Dimitrievic, the head who is now the head of Serbian military intelligence. And he is the guy who has the nickname Apis after the Egyptian bull god. So the Black Hand is a very aggressive Serbian nationalist group. Its goal, its explicit goal in its constitution is the unification of Serbdom. And they go all in on their newspaper. The Black Hand publishes a newspaper which is called Piedmont, as in Piedmont in Italy.

The idea is that South Slavs should be united in a greater Serbian kingdom. They are much more Serbian nationalists, actually, than Gavrili Principists. So they say, Croats don't exist. They're really Serbs. Bosnian Muslims should give up Islam. They are Serbs, too. And you asked about the name. The reason they have a kind of nickname like that the

black hand is because apis loves nicknames and he believes you know you said it was freemason style he believes that they should have a reputation as shadowy secretive lots of rituals lots of symbols so they make up a ceremony where you will go into a darkened room. There will be a bloke in a hood and he will force you to swear obedience to the organization by the blood of my ancestors on my honor and on my life. I will until death be faithful to the organization. I'll make any sacrifice for it. And there's a kind of altar and there's all this stuff. And this is all kind of it's window dressing it's fun it's sexy it's glamorous and if you are a gavrilo princip type you love all this

so can i ask we heard in the previous episode that these guys are all busy reading sherlock holmes and other kind of spy detective kind of stories. Are these influencing this? Absolutely. So is it the interface between fictional spies and real life spies is becoming blurred? Totally they are, Tom. Thomas Otte says in his book, it's like something from the Scarlet Pimpernel. It is exactly like something from the Scarlet Pimpernel.

Not coincidentally. Which had been published a few years earlier. So in the 1900s, there are across Europe, lots of stories of secret societies of spies detectives of course all of these things being published and apis and his colleagues design the organization specifically to appeal to people who've read these stories hence the name are you going to join union or death if you're 16. Are you going to join the Union of Death if you're 16? Maybe. Are you going to join the Black Hand?

Of course you are. Very exciting, very glamorous. So it spreads very quickly. It had 2,500 members or so by 1911, but during the Balkan Wars, gets thousands and thousands more.

So the other thing, the other obvious question is, a shadowy organization called the Black Hand. Yeah. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious, could it? Yeah yeah but the obviousness is the point it's in plain sight so he wants to seem menacing they want to be menacing they would they would meet in cafes and apis would be there he would be presiding at the table and other people looking in basically with their noses

pressed the window like oh my god the black hand i would love to be at the table i would love to know what they are what they are talking about and of course learning their secrets learning their secrets the rituals obviously people find fascinating but also the point about the black hand of course is that it claims to represent the mass of the serbian nation so in other words a degree of being public facing is very important to it now there is a dark obviously i'd say there is a dark side to the black hand of course there's a dark no they have i mean christopher clark uses the expression a terrorist training camp he's not wrong they do run terrorist training camps and they show you

literally how to be a terrorist how to assassinate somebody how to throw a bomb how to blow up a bridge all of those things i mean it's a bit like um al-qaeda would which somebody how to throw a bomb how to blow up a bridge all of those things i mean it's a bit like um al-qaeda would which was supposed to be a kind of shadowy underground organization would nevertheless release videos showing their recruits kind of crawling under barbed wire and of course they did things like that i mean basically it's the same i mean you can see the line of descent there it's exactly the same same. I mean, it's on the IRA funerals. Yeah. People would publicly turn up in balaclavas shooting guns over the grave.

So a lot of terrorist groups, nationalist terrorist groups or ideological terrorist groups have a kind of public face and the black hand is one of them. So I guess the next question is, okay, so the black hand, if they are behind it,

why would they want to do such a spectacular and dangerous operation? Why would they want to kill Franz Ferdinand? Now, one thing to say right away is, of course, there's no paper trail. Apis used to burn his papers regularly, of course, because he's the head of Serbian intelligence,

so he's bound to do that. We have a pretty good idea that much as the kind of Gavrilo Princip centric version holds the original plan was probably to kill the governor of Bosnia General Potiorek you know that would make sense it doesn't necessarily need to be traced back to Belgrade it could have just been local people who did it so it's deniable right but it seems that in the spring of 1914, they changed their focus to the Archduke. Christopher Clarke in his book, The Sleepwalkers,

says he thinks he knows, he's basically drawing on other authors, but he says, we think we know who the person is who first suggested it, a guy called Rade Malobabic. Now he worked, he kind of used to cross the border between Bosnia and Serbia.

Is this the guy who would swim yes freezing rivers and when he came up his mustache would have icicles hanging from it that guy it's exactly that guy tom again very tintin so i mean christopher clark describes him as a super agent a man of extraordinary dedication and cunning who knew the borderlands well i mean the thing that strikes me having done the jfk yeah story where we ended up very decisively coming down on the argument that lee harvey oswald was a lone assassin and that there wasn't a massive conspiracy behind it yeah i mean all this seems in a way a much more implausible conspiracy than some of the conspiracies that are told about the jfk. Except that we know that these...

The black hand, people with icicles from their moustaches. I mean, it's all... Yeah, it's the Balkans, Tom. They do think differently there. Well, you are the Balkan hand. I think we can be pretty sure, the vast majority of historians believe the black hand is an organization set up for precisely this purpose.

We can trace connections between some of these people. We know that they talk to each other. We know certainly that the weapons came from them. Okay. Okay. Well, that is clinching. Yeah. And I suppose also the whole thing about Princip is that he's not a lone agent. No, he's not a lone gunman. So that makes him different from Lihard V. Oswald and so many more recent assassins. He genuinely is part of a conspiracy. I mean, on the day, there were six people there with grenades and revolvers. So the question is, why would they go for such a potentially dangerous operation? Now, the first reason is Franz Josef, the emperor of Austria-Hungary, is very old. He's about 140. He has been emperor since 1848. He is ill in the spring of 1914. He's got pneumonia.

So it looks as though he's going to die. His heir will succeed. So assassinating the heir that spring, that summer, would be a massive blow against the Habsburg monarchy and Habsburg authority. But I think there are two other political considerations. First of all, Apis and other people in kind of the Serbian paramilitary milieu believe that Franz Ferdinand, the Archduke, is the leader of a war party in Austria-Hungary that is itching to strike at Serbia. Which he is not, is he? It's actually the opposite. Totally the opposite. On this, they are totally and utterly wrong, as we will see next time. Franz Ferdinand, the last thing he wants. he is the single biggest obstacle to a war with Serbia

the second thing is they know and on this they are quite right that Franz Ferdinand has extensive plans for when he becomes emperor that will involve reforming the empire and possibly setting up a south slav kingdom within the Austro-Hungarian Empire, or even moving towards a United States of Greater Austria that will give the Slav subjects much more autonomy. If you're a Serbian ultra-nationalist, that is a chilling prospect because that will destroy your dreams of a Greater Serbia because all of these Slavs within the Austro-Hungarian Empire, why would they want to ally with you, this kingdom of two million people, very poor, when they can actually have much more

autonomy within a big common market of Austria-Hungary that is far more developed, richer, and so on and so forth. Princip at the trial said, as a future ruler, Franz Ferdinand would have prevented our union by realizing certain reforms that would have been against our interests and i think that is absolutely crucial and why the black hand decided to go for this and so they're plotting against him not just because he is a symbol of the hautsberg monarchy but for specific policy reasons exactly embodied they think in what his plans will be and remember he becomes emperor if the emperor is ill there is a possibility Franz Ferdinand could be emperor within weeks, within months.

So they want to get rid of him before that happens. So once they've approved the plan, both Thomas Otte and Christopher Clarke think that at that point, maybe March 1914, that it's probably them who recruit

Princip, Czerbrinovich and Grabesch, even if they don't really know they're being recruited. They're groomers. This is what Christopher Clarke says. He uses the word grooming. And he says, these are young men, very young men, teenagers, some of them, who are unhappy, lonely, no friends, no girlfriend, no money.

And they are approached by older men who they look up to, war veterans who approach them in these cafes and say oh you're a great man i have an important mission for you and all of this yeah you can absolutely see why they would you know be seduced by this major tankers which clearly decides he's going to be the person who handles the operation but he hides behind a go-between which is this guy tsiganovich so he's the guy who gives them the weapons and takes them to the park and now we get back tom to that point in the narrative yeah where they're in the park and just to a reminder that um the aims of the black hand which are very serbian and those of princip who's very

pan-slav are actually Yeah, it's a difference of nuance, but it is a genuine difference. Princip, he doesn't really dream of a greater kingdom of Serbia. He thinks of Serbia as the Prussia in a kind of Germany. Whereas Apis and Co, I think when they talk about a South Slav union, they mean you either will call yourself Serbs or you'll be second class citizens under the serbs yeah anyway they're in the park top cheetah park so you kind of it shows them the bombs and the pistols so the bombs first of all i mean they're terrifying reading about how you you set off a bomb i absolutely would not have wanted to do it we would call them grenades

but they don't look like grenades they're kind of like um like the kind of ice packs that you put in your freezer yeah so they're rectangular and they have a kind of cap on them so you can put them they're small enough to put inside your jacket pockets they've got a cap on them to activate the bomb you basically have to knock the cap off to get it off you basically knock the bomb against a lamppost or something so the cap falls falls off. Then you have 12 seconds. And Suganovich says, count to 10. I mean, who would do this? Count to 10 and then throw.

So you throw with only two seconds to go. And, you know, as historians say, these are very unreliable. So it's about 12 seconds. Yes. So you don't want to miscalculate. And sometimes they don't explode. Or sometimes they just go off in your faceate and sometimes they don't explode or sometimes

they just go off in your face or sometimes they might explode earlier yeah they're meant to so they've got those lots of jeopardy and then they have uh nine millimeter browning semi-automatic pistols so these have been used a lot by serbian paramilitaries in the balkan wars and they practice their marksmanship in this park and And Princip, by all accounts, is the best marksman. So they practice the shooting, all good. They do two weeks of practice. Saganowicz says, brilliant, now you know everything. They go back to the Goldfish Cafe to have a celebration.

Princip rather miserably drinks mineral water because, of course, he doesn't drink. Oh, and there's one more thing, Tom. They are given cyanide as well. Of course. So that after they've committed the assassination, they can bite on it and die. And I suppose, from the point of view

of the shadowy organizers, if they exist, that's the key. Because you want them out of the way. So it works for everybody there, the cyanide. It works, as you said, if they genuinely are controlling this, it works for the Black Hand, because they kill their operatives who can't then identify them for princip and co it means they

fulfill the destiny that they have dreamed of which is like the guy at kosovo or like the guy in 1910 assassins who had then died and sacrificed their lives for a greater ideal that is really important to them can i just ask and you may not know the answer to this, but I know you're interested in munitions. Yeah. It wasn't possible to set yourself up as a suicide bomber, to wrap yourself so tightly with explosives that you could blow yourself and, say, an archduke in a car.

Well, I mean, this thing about knocking the cap off, Tom, that would be... You'd look like the Michelin man first of all with all this i know but i just wonder i mean you maybe you light a fuse or something no no i don't think that could be done so not with these grenades you'd be lurching across the street all these grenades like banging into lampposts and stuff. It would just be a shambolic figure because once you'd knocked one off, you then have to knock all the other ones off.

12 seconds to knock all the others off. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. This is ludicrous. It's good to have a deep dive into munitions. Definitely is. Suicide bombing. He also gives them an envelope.

I mean, this is very Eric Ambler. He gives them an envelope and he says, this envelope will get you across the border, across the river Drina, back into Bosnia. And and basically you must go to a town called shabbats in western serbia when you get there on the border you give this to a particular man in a particular place and he will get you across you see you said all of this sounds so implausible it sounds like a thriller i think a lot of this is being designed to impress them right you know they've read these stories spy stories and i think a lot of this is very well be flummery yeah because there's a story frederick morton tells this in thunder at twilight

there's a story that the night before they leave which is the 27th of May, 1914, they are summoned to a cellar at Krakice Natalia Street in Belgrade. And they go down, there's somebody there standing there robed and hooded in black. And he shows them into a room, table draped in black. On the table are a dagger, a skull,

a crucifix, a revolver, and a bottle with a death's head label. And this guy in the hood says, this is the altar of the Black Hand. You must swear the oath. So if he's saying that, presumably they then know that they are being manipulated by the Black Hand. You see, there are different versions.

Because of course, if Princip has come up with the idea himself, why does he need to be... But if it's a shadowy organization that's manipulating them, but trying to keep secret secret itself i don't see why it would suddenly reveal that we're the black hand right unless they think there's a long way to go right the assassination is two months away it's a frightening thing first of all it's possible the story is total balderdash and i'm sure lots of people listen to this will think absolute tosh but it is possible that people thought this will steady their nerves they will feel a sense of belonging to an exclusive club

not wanting to let anybody down I mean we know from Gavrilo Princip from that fragment that essay that he wrote that he's a very romantic person well I mean I have to say I do love the idea that the whole thing has basically been constructed yeah to seem as much like a spy thriller as possible yeah that's like a kind of le carre plot or something of course it is exactly it is that base or umberto echo the yeah who goes pendulum that basically they've invented all these rituals to impress these boys i think it's possible maybe a tiny bit implausible that they're genuinely going there and there's a hooded figure but possible that they might have put on some spectacle for them the night before you know an initiation ritual to

steady their nerves but also what you're saying about giving them envelopes and saying you have to cross at a certain point yeah that perhaps that's slightly more dramatic and difficult than it need be yeah that they're making it a great adventure an adventure for the boys and so it is that the very next day the the 28th of May, they leave Belgrade for Bosnia. And Tom, this is getting so exciting that... Yeah, we should take a break. We should take a break.

Because I really need to catch my breath here. Okay, crikey. So we'll do that. We'll catch our breath. And then when we come back, the assassins have crossed into Bosnia. I'm Marina Hyde. And I'm Richard Osman.

And together we host The Rest Is Entertainment. It's your weekly fix of entertainment news, Bosnia. head to therestisentertainment.com. That's therestisentertainment.com. Hello, welcome back to The Rest Is History. Gavrilo Princip and his merry band of assassins have left Belgrade. Yeah. Perhaps sent on their way by the Black Hand, perhaps not. But Dominic, what is certain is that there are a lot of spy story shenanigans still to come. There are actually.

So you said when we come back, we'll have crossed into Bosnia. But actually the crossing into Bosnia is itself a huge operation. So they've got their pistols, they've got their grenades, they've got their cyanide. They go to this place called Shabats,

which is a port on the river Sava. And Chabrinovich, who is Princip's friend, is very nervous and is talking excitedly and talking too much. Princip tells him off. Now, when they get to Shabbat, Princip, remember, had this envelope. I mean, it's absolutely preposterous.

At a particular coffeehouse terrace, the Cafe America, he has been told that he will find an army captain playing a particular game of cards an exotic game of cards who knows what that game was it's not snap anyway so this bloke is playing this game of cards princip gives him the envelope the captain who's playing the card game says to his fellow card players i must go for a walk with my nephew how has this not been made into a film i know it's amazing they go for a walk with my nephew. How has this not been made into a film? I know, it's wonderful.

It's amazing. They go for a walk for half an hour. When Princip returns, he is carrying papers that identify them as customs officers. They go and stay in a hotel. They put all their guns and grenades into the stove, which is in their room for safekeeping. Shabrinovich is still very anxious, nervous, talking too much.

Supposedly, he meets some guy and he's talking so excitedly that his coat falls open to reveal that he's carrying bombs. So it's just a shambolic. Anyway, the next day they get on the train. They're going now to a place called Kovaljaca, which is on the Serbian side of the river. And Siganovich, the guy who trains them, worked for the railways. He has given them papers that are basically free tickets and also a pass that means no one will search their luggage.

They get to the river and Princip says, we must send postcards. This is so le carré, isn't it, Tom? We must send postcards to our friends and family because this will cover our tracks. He sends a card to a cousin of his in Belgrade and he says in the card, We must send postcards to our friends and family because this will cover our tracks. He sends a card to a cousin of his in Belgrade and he says in the card, I'm going to a monastery.

I'm off to a monastery to revise for my finals. So Brinovich sends... I mean, he's out of control by this point, isn't he? I mean, he's terrible. He sends his cards to various friends he has inside the Austrian Empire and making all these kind of nationalist jokes and nationalist sayings. And Princip says, you know, you've got a grip. Get a grip. He tears up Krivovich's cards. He takes him to the toilet, confiscates his bombs

and says to him, you must go on on your own. You're going to endanger the mission. Graves and I will go on separately. You have to go on alone and we will reunite across the Bosnian border. So Siprinjic goes off his own way. Now Princip and Grabes have to cross the river. They sort of double back along the river. They find a stretch with lots of shallows and little islets. And there, one of the islets is a kind of drinking den where people brew their own kind of brandy plum brandy and they sell it to peasants so they're kind of smugglers smugglers den and it's there in the bar of this sort of shabin that they meet a guy who's like their designated courier this guy is going to take them across a ford into bosnia

and this is exactly what happens they splash across the ford they then are trudging across fields they are i mean they're quite weedy aren't they because of course princip was told he couldn't join the army he's got tb hasn't he's got tb so for that reason they start to find the grenades and the gums and their other stuff very heavy. Yeah. They start to become very miserable. They're getting bogged down in the mud of the fields.

So they commandeer a series of kind of peasants' carts and farmers to help to give them lifts and stuff. They basically hitchhike. And Princip, I mean, they're not brilliant espionage agents

because Princip says to a lot of these people, you know, we're on a secret mission if you tell anybody about us or about the mission he's very threatening actually he's a very unpleasant character I think Gavrili Princip because he says to these farmers if you tell anyone about our mission you and your family will be destroyed so they're kind of leaving a bit of a trail I suppose behind them anyway nobody does say anything. So finally, they meet up with Trubinovich.

He's got a cross separately. They then decide, oh, it's very dangerous to go on to Sarajevo on the train with the guns and with the grenades. They decide they're going to leave them with a cinema proprietor who they think can be trusted. Sorry, where's he popped up from?

Well, who knows? Is he another part of the shadowy black hand i don't know tom and that's one of the many so for example all the couriers how have they met all the couriers have they met the guides right the serbian irredentist nationalist networks have thousands of members and you know there are thousands of people who've signed up to this like national defense organization so it's perfectly possible that word has gone out there are these guys coming just give them a hand you know i mean they did get across the border they did get all the way to sarajevo so we know that the network did exist but i mean they are leaving a massive trail but don't forget they're going to kill themselves i know they are but even so i mean it's kind of obvious isn't it that they're coming no one on

either the serbian i mean because the black Black Hand is not part of the Serbian government. And the Serbian government is anxious, I assume, not to get fingered for being, you know, the responsibility for murdering the heir apparent to the Austro-Hungarian throne. So were they picking up on what's going on at all? They are picking up on this yeah i'll just get on that in just one sec tom so just to finish that story they left the weapons they said to the cinema guy someone will come and show you a particular brand of cigarettes again a very eric camber detail stephanie cigarettes and then they get on the train and they go to sarajevo

where they arrive on the fourth i think it it is of June so you're absolutely right they have left a trail and the Serbian government does know something is afoot so the Serbian prime minister is a man called Nikola Pasic and he is described universally, is your dictionary definition of a wily old bird. Right. Now, lots of historians present Pasic as a kind of crafty old Serbian peasant. I think Max Hastings does in his book. He's an engineer, isn't he? Yeah, that's not quite right.

He had trained in Zurich in engineering. He is a very smart guy. He leads a party called the Radical Party in Serbia, which is a kind of populist party that appeals to the many, many Serbian peasants. He's a very canny, cautious politician. He's pro-Russian. He is nationalist. He's not as nationalist as some, but he's always very keen not to be outflanked. But he's not black hand nationalist. He's not black hand nationalist. Now, historians disagree about this,

but I see no reason to disagree with Christopher Clarke and his book, The Sleepwalkers. Clarke says it is virtually certain that Pasic knew about the plan. So about the point that they arrive in Sarajevo, he probably knows that students have crossed the river, that they have guns, that they have been helped by people along the border and they are planning something in bosnia and the reason we can be

pretty sure that he knows this is that in the 1920s his education minister wrote a fragment of a memoir and in that he recorded that at the end of may or beginning of June, he doesn't remember, Passage told his cabinet, there are people who are planning to go to Sarajevo to kill Franz Ferdinand. And they agreed, the cabinet agreed, that they should issue instructions to their border officials to try and prevent these guys from crossing.

So these border officials, are they to be trusted by the government? No, they're not. Or have they they to be trusted by the government? No, they're not. Or have they been suborned by the sinister black hand? They've been suborned. They are members of Narodna Obrana, which is the front organization, if you like, the big public nationalist organization, national defense. They absolutely are not to be trusted. And so the frameworks and structures of the Serbian state are being cannibalized by this kind of irredentist, shadowy terrorist organization. Exactly. Ever since 1903 and the murder of the king and queen, Serbian politics has been in this kind of gray area where there is the official politics, parliamentary politics that you see,

but there are also paramilitary and nationalist groups who have a very close relationship with mainstream political parties. Now, we know that by mid-June, Pasic knows they have crossed the border, that they haven't been stopped, because he demands an investigation into what is going on on the border. Why are the paramilitaries controlling the border crossings? He sent a secret letter to his war minister on the 24th of june that is four days before the assassination in which he said i have learned that border officers are engaged in treasonable work because it aims at the creation of conflict between serbia and austria hungary and he actually says in that letter if our allies knew what was going on they would desert us because they would be on

austria's side they would say we are behaving irresponsibly and what is more passage also ordered an investigation into the black hand so we can be pretty confident that in mainstream political circles people are aware that something is going on however there are two really important constraints on passage constraint number one there's a big political crisis in serbia at the time and he's very worried about a coup by the by the nationalists against him number two there's an election coming if you vacate nationalist ground you lose in serbia that's how it works yeah okay so so i understand that but i mean all he has to do is basically tell the the austro-hungarian government yeah don't send him

the support this is that this is a huge issue in the historiography absolutely no it is but i mean this is the key issue isn't it is i said that the boys arrived in sarajevo on the 4th of june on the 5th of june a man called jovan Jovanovic, who was the Serbian ambassador to Austria-Hungary in Vienna, who is a nationalist, he goes to see the Austrian finance minister, who's called Count Belinsky. The Austrian finance minister is one of those ministers who's actually in charge of administering Bosnia-Herzegovina. And Jovanovic says to him, you've got these military exercises taking place in Bosnia and Franz Ferdinand will be there. He says, I think it's very dangerous to do this. Now,

the warning he gives, he says, my worry is that a Bosnian Serb soldier in the military exercises will load his rifle, not with blanks, but with a real cartridge, and will shoot it at Franz Ferdinand. So in the circumstances, I think you should just call off these exercises completely. But why isn't he being upfront and saying, because I mean, that's very elliptical. It's very elliptical. Of course, Kambalinski doesn't take it seriously. He says, I'm sure we're fine. Why would he?

Yeah. Because it doesn't sound sourced. I mean, it sounds a speculation. I think the argument from historians is that the Serbian government feel they have nothing to gain from a warning because it will make the Austrians go ballistic. The Austrians will say, can't you control your own people, your own intelligence agency? I don't think so.

I think, you know, saying there's a rogue element that's coming and our police have rumbled it. But don't forget the Serbians and the Austrians do not have good relations. For them to go to them and to say there's a rogue element within our own state, we've failed to prevent it, I think they are hoping that nothing will come of it, that it will fail. Well, I suppose. And what is more...

But they're terrified of Austria-Hungary declaring war on them, if they're implicated in it. I mean, that's a massive disaster. But also, Pasic is terrified of losing. He doesn't want to lose the election. He doesn't want the nationalist networks to turn on him. What if it came out?

What if the Austrians went public? We're calling off the military exercises because we've had word from the Serbian government. Pasic would be in terrible trouble at home domestically. What an embarrassment for him. Now, you might well say, Tom, the other question is, even with such a vague warning, why don't the Austrians change their plans?

Well, first of all, because the warning is so vague,'re like they're not going to change them but secondly they think i think count belinsky thinks the serbian ambassador is just trying to intimidate he wants us to call off the exercises yeah because he wants us to look weak and divided and we want to show how authoritative we are and how confident we are we're not going to just call them off for nothing. So, everything goes ahead. On the 4th of June, as I said,

the boys had arrived in Sarajevo. Princip moves back into the house of Mrs. Illich, the woman with whom he had first lodged. And the guy

who wears a black tie so he can reflect on death. Danilo Illich. Now, depending which version of this you read and the only answer is we cannot possibly know it's possible that princip has written to illich and said to him there's a

plot i'd love you to be in on it it's possible actually some historians think that it was illich's idea not princip's all along it's also possible probably most likely i think that both of them have been groomed by the network and that ilitch is part of this ilitch has got three recruits of his own two high school students called popovich and chabrilovich who are bosnian serbs from sarajevo and interestingly a bosnian muslim yeah i mean that is interesting because it broadens it out from the idea that this is a very narrowly chauvinist Serb conspiracy, even though lurking in the background. I mean, maybe that's precisely what it is. Yes. This guy's interesting. He's called Mehmet Bazic. He's actually the son of an Ottoman landlord and he's a sort of self-hating son of an Ottoman landlord. So he had actually given up some of his fortune to buy his serfs out.

Has he given up Islam? That I do not know, Tom. That would be an interesting question, but I don't know. Because isn't the plan for the Serb nationalists, the Black Hand and everybody, that Muslims are seen as Serbs and therefore should give up Islam and return to the bosom of the Mother Church? I suspect he wouldn't be terribly keen on that idea. Because don't forget, a lot of these boys who are involved in the organization

are dreaming of a Yugoslavia rather than a sort of greater serbia they're all pretty much the same person all of these boys apart from the interesting detail about mehmet bazic they they don't drink they don't have girlfriends they are drifters they are losers they are obsessed with martyrdom and sacrifice and all these kinds of things. So they're all much of a muchness. It's Illich who goes and gets the weapons from the cinema proprietor, shows him the cigarettes, brings them back to Sarajevo,

stores them bizarrely in a bag under a bed in his mother's house. So not a very exciting Eric Ambler location. But he then takes his lads out and shows them how to use the guns and all that kind of thing so there are two cells i suppose you might say tom involved in the operation the one group from belgrade the other group are already in sarajevo they don't really mix so princip and illich mix but the others don't at all they find the um archduke's route

from a german language paper called the debosnische Post. Illich can translate it because he can speak German. They look at the route. The plan is, we'll go into this more in our fourth episode, the Archduke is going to arrive at the railway station. He's going to drive along the river where we have been, the walk we've done, Tom. They're going to go along this very straight road by the river. It is perfect if you're an assassin, you can just wait. You can actually spread out along the road. So that is the plan. The day approaches. They are all nervous, but they're holding their nerve. They meet on the afternoon of the 27th of June. It is a rainy, gray, over overcast day the mood is kind of somber but they meet in a wine bar and for once gavrilo princip drinks it's the one time he was ever seen to drink wine of course

because he thinks he's going to be dead tomorrow the plan is for them to kill themselves i mean very like the 9-11 conspirators absolutely who went out and similarly drank yeah before exactly as they leave you know shake hands or whatever they say we'll meet tomorrow morning we'll meet at eight o'clock we'll meet at the vlinich pastry shop in town get a pastry and then take our places along the road for the archduke's cavalcade they've got their bombs they've got their pistols everything is ready and that night Gavrilo Princip does one last thing totally in keeping with everything he's done up to this point he makes a last pilgrimage to the grave of Bogdan Zerich the terrorist who had failed to

kill the Bosnian governor the guy who had inspired him so much in 1910, the martyr in whose footsteps he hopes to follow. And he believes that tomorrow he will succeed where Zarić failed. And he himself, of course, will be dead. He will have taken his own life and he will have written his name into Serbian folklore, having proved beyond any doubt that he is not a weakling and that he is a real man. Wow. Well, what a cliffhanger. I mean, this whole series is just a succession of cliffhangers. And of course, we will be looking at what happens on the fateful day of the 28th of June, 1914. And we'll be going through it step by step, rather like we did with the events of the Kennedy assassination. But before that, I think that we should look at the man who is the target

of this conspiracy, the victim of it, the murdery, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, who actually, I have to say, I think is a much more interesting and attractive character than I'd appreciated. We'll be looking at him and the whole context in which he operates the Austro-Hungarian empire. And you can listen to that right away if you're a member of the Rest Is History Club. And if you're not, you can sign up for it at therestishistory.com. Brilliant stuff today, Dominic. Thanks ever so much. I hope you've enjoyed it. Bye-bye. I'm Marina Hyde and I'm Richard Osman and together we host

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