The Rest Is History - 597. The First World War: The Massacre of the Innocents (Part 4)

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

What happened at the crucial, bloody, Battle of Ypres in October 1914? How did the battle come about? Why did the Germans and the British fight each other so brutally and for so long to take Ypres? Wh...at made the fighting so particularly violent? How were the British able to repel the relentless German onslaught time after time? What was the famous “Kindermord” - “the Massacre of the Innocents” - in the German army, and how true was it? And, what would be the outcome of this almighty clash? Join Dominic and Tom as they discuss the terrible Battle of Ypres; its significance to the First World War overall, and its consequences for the rise of Hitler in Germany later on…. ______ Try Adobe Express for free now at https://www.adobe.com/uk/express/spotlight/designwithexpress or by searching in the app store. Explore the world’s most loved stories in their most beautiful form - only at https://www.foliosociety.com/. Learn more at https://uber.com/onourway ______ Join The Rest Is History Club: Unlock the full experience of the show – with exclusive bonus episodes, ad-free listening, early access to every series and live show tickets, a members-only newsletter, discounted books from the show, and access to our private Discord chatroom. Sign up directly at therestishistory.com For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Thank you for listening to The Rest is History. For weekly bonus episodes, add free listening, early access to series and membership of our much-loved chat community, go to the rest is history.com and join the club. That is the rest is history.com. This episode is presented by Adobe Express, the quick and easy create-anything app. What does that mean? Well, say you need to make a presentation or a video. video or a social media post or a flyer, maybe even a video. To some, certainly to me, that sounds intimidating. But Tom, with Adobe Express's intuitive features like templates,
Starting point is 00:00:44 generative AI and real-time collaboration, it has never been easier. Adobe Express. Try it for free. Search Adobe Express in the App Store. At last day came when we left Munich to begin the fulfillment of our duty. For the first time, I saw the Rhine as we rode westward along its quiet waters to defend this, the German stream of streams from the greed of the old enemy. The old watch on the Rhine roared out of the endless transport train into the morning sky, and I felt as though my heart would burst. And then came a damp, cold night in Flanders,
Starting point is 00:01:36 through which we marched in silence. And when the day began to emerge from the mists, suddenly an iron greeting came whizzing at us over our heads. But even before the little cloud had passed, from two hundred throats the first hurrah rose to meet the messenger of death. Then a crackling and a roaring, a singing and a howling began. And with feverish eyes, each one of us was drawn forward faster and faster, until suddenly passed fields and hedges.
Starting point is 00:02:12 The fight began, the fight of man against man. And from the distance, the strains of a song reached our ears coming closer and closer, leaping from company to company and just as death plunged a busy hand into our ranks the song reached us too and we passed it along Deutschland, Deutschland, Ober ales Opa Ales in their Welt So I think a very moving passage there
Starting point is 00:02:47 A private in the 16th Bavarian Reserve Regiment remembering his first brush with the enemy in the autumn of 1914, leaving the Rhine behind, coming up to the mud and the slaughter of Flanders. And anyone who finds themselves at this point brushing away a tear from the eye may be stunned to realise that they've been listening to literally the worst man in history because that comes from Mein Kampf by a certain A. Hitler. Dominic, the Hitler here is, I mean, he's relatively speaking, behaving him. himself, isn't he? He's actually articulating there the experiences and the feelings of a lot of
Starting point is 00:03:28 Germans and not in a necessarily sinister way. No, you're absolutely right, Tom. He's a young man who is enthused with the camaraderie and the patriotic commitment that so many Germans took into the First World War. And the story he tells there, which is young men advancing into enemy fire, their first time, they're singing the Deutschland lead, the song of the Germans. That The story became, at this point, a central element of German patriotic mythology. So the people who first read Mein Kampf in the middle of the 1920s, they were already very familiar with this story. And the idea became wrapped up with something called the Kindermord, the massacre of
Starting point is 00:04:10 the innocence, the idea that there's a generation of young men who, at this particular moment in the autumn of 1914, at Ipe, they walked into battle, singing their parents. patriotic hymns. And in some versions of the story, the hymn carries them to victory. In other versions, they are cut down as they walk by a British machine gun fire. They are sacrificing everything for their beloved fatherland. And they're almost walking willingly with a song on their lips, with their patriotic spirit in their hearts, with a kind of Viking spirit almost.
Starting point is 00:04:47 We've done so many stories on this show about the Vikings kind of going into battle, singing. So at the time, it was a very compelling and seductive idea. Tom, are you seduced by it? Well, I mean, I think of the parallels with the British who were facing the Germans in this stretch of Flanders, but they have very similar stories, don't they? The idea of doomed youth, sacrifice, all of that, framed in different ways. A long way to Tipperary, a song that took off in the final months of 1914. Now, it's all the more powerful, I think, this story, because it's set against the backdrop of one of the most compelling battles of the war, which is the first Battle of Eap, a story full of most extraordinary feats of kind of courage and sacrifice,
Starting point is 00:05:27 and we'll be covering some of those today. So we'll come back to the singing a little bit later, but first of all, let's remind ourselves where we got to. The Germans were pushed back from Paris in the Battle of the Marne at the beginning of September. Their commander helmet von Molke had a breakdown and was replaced by the Asurbic, Chile, Prussian War Minister, Eric von Falkenheim. The Germans have fallen back behind the River Ayn. They have started to dig in to carve out the first trench networks.
Starting point is 00:05:52 And then there has been the so-called race to the sea, both sides rushing northwards try to get into the last open bit of territory between the trenches and the English Channel. And the goal is break through this stretch of territory before your enemy can dig in because then you can outflank him and strike down into his rear. And by the middle of October, this race is really narrowed to a small expanse of the front, the 20 miles that stretch south from the channel. And there are lots of other battles. So there's a thing called the Battle of Ezer where the Belgians really distinguish themselves.
Starting point is 00:06:25 But today we're going to look at one single point, probably the most celebrated or contested point on the front, which is the town of Epe. So Ebe was mentioned by the Romans. We don't know what it was called, but they mentioned a town in this place. And it's a very old town. It was a big cloth town in the Middle Ages. It's mentioned in the Canterbury Tales, Tom. and it was the third biggest town in Flanders after Ghent and Bruges at its heyday and the symbol of Ipe's importance and its wealth that they have this spectacular gothic
Starting point is 00:06:56 cloth hall built in the 13th century at the time it was one of the largest commercial buildings in Europe and Ibrch had changed hands many times it had been besieged by the English in 1383 captured by Louis XIV in 1678 captured again by the French and the French Revolutionary Wars in 1794 and this time it's the Germans who want it. Falconheim's plan is that we take Ipr, it's the perfect base from which to strike west to the channel ports of Dunkirk, Calais and Boulogne. And if we can take them, we can cut the supply lines from Britain to the British expeditionary
Starting point is 00:07:31 force. We can cut the links between Britain and France, and that would be a great step towards winning the war. So he's going to use two armies, the fourth and the sixth German armies, basically to batter their way through. and in their path stand the French 8th Army and the British Expeditionary Force. So the British first march into Ipe on the 14th of October, and this is the 7th Division, and this has been cobbled together from across the British Empire that just landed from England as reinforcements.
Starting point is 00:08:02 So this is the first time they've been to Belgium, these guys. And they think Iep is lovely. One officer writes home, and he says, Eep's rather a nice old town with narrow cobblestone streets and fine buildings and a tremendous lot of priests and nuns. It seems so odd to be fighting in this sort of country. Because, of course, they've come from the empire. They've been fighting overseas.
Starting point is 00:08:20 And they have absolutely no sense of the slaughter that lies ahead for them. Now, I'm sorry to report that Sir John French, the Florid commander of the BEF, has not learned his lesson from previous expeditions to Belgium. Oh, that's a shame, because he behaved quite well at the Battle of the Marne, didn't he? He did. But now, unfortunately. So they advance into Flanders and they say, are there going to be some Germans? And he says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:08:48 There'll be no Germans here. I think it's fair to say, Sir John French is the, he'd make an excellent pundit on the rest of politics with his grasp of prognostication. So on the advice of the Rory Stewart of the British Expeditionary Force, the 7th Division head east out of the town. And actually, at first, they say, well, you know, this is actually going to be quite. boring. We're getting fed up of all this waiting and gunner writes. We're anxious to get into action. So out they go into the celebrated Flanders fields. So anybody who's done war poetry or our British listeners surely will have done war poetry when they're at school because it's such a staple of the curriculum. It's all kind of a great moonscape of craters.
Starting point is 00:09:31 It's kind of Tolkien's Mordor or something. But actually it's not like that at the time at all. Are there lots of poppies? There are poppies. There's loads of poppies. But at this point they're not identified with the war, of course. So there's an Australian writer called Paul Hamm. He wrote a brilliant book about 1914. And he describes it very nicely. He says the bleak rain-drenched land of gentle hills and ridges, fields of tobacco and beetroot interspersed with hedgerows and barns spreading into dreary plains, seasonally strewn with poppies. They go out into this farmland for about five or six miles. On Sunday the 18th, they have their first skirmishes with German patrols, but they still don't really know what lies ahead.
Starting point is 00:10:08 and Sir John French says Just keep going The next village is called Paschendale I'm sure that's an absolutely delightful place Definitely never be a battle there Exactly The Hon is running out of men There'll be nobody there
Starting point is 00:10:22 And look at all those poppies We'll never need to use them as a symbol For the futility of war Sir John French with his unerring ability To completely mispredict what's happening The Germans are actually advancing With 14 infantry divisions Of course they are
Starting point is 00:10:37 The British and French have only seven. The Germans are much fresher. They're fresh troops. They have twice as many guns. They've got ten times as much heavy artillery. So textbooks are John French advice there. On the 19th of October, the Royal Flying Corps head east over the fields. And they come back with bombshell news.
Starting point is 00:10:56 They say, there are actually loads of Germans. And they're only hours away. So the British fall back a little bit. Okay. So this time, John French does actually believe what he's being told. Because previously at Mons, the Air Force had been up and come back, and he's out of nonsense. So to that extent, he is learning. I wonder if there's an element, though, of people no longer listening to Sir John French.
Starting point is 00:11:15 I mean, certainly I would, if I was one of his officers, I would be skeptical if he advised me of anything. Anyway, the British foreback, and they established themselves on a ridge just east of Iep. And this is the genesis of something that, you know, if you read books about the First World War, it's always there. It's called the Eepr salient. So salience is basically just a bulge in your line. sort of bulging outwards. Sticks out. It's good news because you can sort of maybe penetrate into the enemy lines. It's also bad news because it means they can surround you on three sides and kind of pour fire into you.
Starting point is 00:11:45 This salient is going to play a massive part in the British wartime experience. So the next four years, the British are going to expend 200,000 lives to defend this relatively small patch of land. On the 20th of October, the Germans launched their assault. These great grey columns advancing relentlessly towards the same. The Germans attack very bravely. Actually, these guys are new. They are barely trained reservists. Is Hitler in their ranks? He's not at this point. No, I don't think. He's waiting in reserve.
Starting point is 00:12:16 He's waiting in the reserve. But there are very heavy casualties, but the Germans don't break through. Now, meanwhile, the British have been told, dig in, hold the line. None of them have really proper spades. Some of them have kind of trowels and stuff. But a lot of them are actually digging into the clay of the fields. So these aren't chalk. They're clay. They're digging with their bare. hands. And these are the origins of the Eap trenches. The next stage, which is the 21st, loads of reinforcements start to arrive, wave upon way of Germans, but also the first British troops who've come from the Battle of the Aen further to the sort of southwest. And now the struggle
Starting point is 00:12:50 for Eap really begins in earnest. So for the next three weeks, the story is basically the British defending the salient. These are sort of Flemish villages, Zandvojrda, Zonabeke, Langermark, places that if you've ever been to the Western Front you'll probably recognise and the Germans just battering away merciless you're trying to kind of break through it's very confused bloody hand-to-hand fighting there's shells raining down
Starting point is 00:13:15 there's machine guns blasting away all the time the Germans time after time come really close to breaking through but always somehow the British were able to push them back Dominic is there the crump of guns I think there is a crump or is it a dull thud I think it's a crump because I think you're obliged by law when describing the Western Front to use the word crump.
Starting point is 00:13:36 It's very much kind of Wilfred Owen kind of territory. Now, all the time, the bodies are piling up, especially, I have to say, the Germans. So the Germans, officers are hurling them forward in these kind of incredibly brave suicidal assault. And actually for the British, we always think of all the British, the victims and all this. But the British, they say it's like being in a shooting gallery. Well, surely like a pheasant shoot of the kind that Franz Ferdinand and the Kaiser and George V that everybody enjoyed. Well, remember, they, because Franz Ferdinand was unfortunately killed,
Starting point is 00:14:02 they missed out on that brilliant weekend that they were going to have together. But for British sportsmen, this is, I mean, you know, shoot a German rather than a pheasant. It must be the attitude. Well, since you do the voice of a well-educated British sportsman, say, well, Tom, perhaps you'd like to read to everybody what Captain Henry Dillon wrote to his parents. I mean, imagine writing this to your parents about a German night attack on the 24th of October. The great grey mass of humanity was charging straight onto us, not 50 yards off. As I fired my rifle, the rest all went off almost simultaneously.
Starting point is 00:14:32 I have never shot so much in such a short time. My right hand is one huge bruise from banging the bolt up and down. The firing died down and out of the darkness, a great moan came, people with their arms and legs off trying to crawl away, others who could not move gasping out their last moments with the cold night wind biting into their broken bodies and the lurid red glare of a farmhouse showing up clumps of grey devils killed by the men on my left further down.
Starting point is 00:14:59 A weird, awful scene. So a hideous shooting party. A hideous shooting party, and weirdly that he would write to his parents about it. Anyway, different times. Now, for the Germans, it's an indescribable horror. So Max Hastings quotes this bloke from Würtenberg called Paul Hubb. He's been fighting for a village called Gelyuvel, which we'll come back to. And he writes to his wife, and he says,
Starting point is 00:15:22 My dear Maria, I've lived through such horror recently, no words can describe it. Every day the fighting gets fiercer and there's still no end in sight. Our blood is flowing in torrents all around me The most gruesome devastation I didn't think war would be like this And there must be a lot of people Who are thinking that by this point Oh yeah
Starting point is 00:15:42 Yeah, those I mean basically everybody at this point says This is definitely not what we signed up for This is a new kind of warfare Machine Gums, shells Mud, rain, Barbedoire This is not the sort of romantic adventure That I had dreamed of as a boy Or anything like that
Starting point is 00:15:58 On the 30th of October, the German offensive reaches a crescendo. Falcon Heinz now brought in a new army group, new troops, hundreds of heavy guns and howitzers. The Germans now have a two-to-one advantage. The classic sort of Western front scene. The bombardment starts at dawn, an absolute kind of storm of shell fire. Then at 6.30, the German infantry, go in. Slowly but surely, it seems like they're going to break through. They take the chateau-zand-vorder.
Starting point is 00:16:25 They drive back the household cavalry. But, as always, this is the absolute story of the Western Front. Halfway through the day, it looks like they're going to win, and then their offensive falters, they ran out of steam, and somehow the British were able to hold out and push them back. And that night, the German commanders are told, well, you just do it the same again the next day, do it again tomorrow. And one of them says to his colonel, he says, excuse me here, or best, the word battalion has been mentioned.
Starting point is 00:16:52 We, in the center, no longer have a battalion. The men have been in battle for 48 hours, and they have had no sleep. for three nights. In other words, we're falling apart. And the colonel goes ballistic and he says, do you say impossible? There is no such thing as impossible. We're all soldiers. We must accept the risk of death. And so it is on the 31st of October. It starts all over again. And the military historian J.P. Harris says this is one of the most critical days fighting, not merely of 1914, but of the entire war. Because the British at this point are really on their last legs. A decade or so later, historian of the British Expeditionary Force, famously said they were a thin line of tired,
Starting point is 00:17:33 haggard and unshaven men, unwashed, plastered with mud, many and little more than rags, all that stood between the British Empire and ruin. So again, another relentless barrage. And then in come all these waves of the kind of grey German uniforms. And this time, the epicentre of it is this village called Gelywelt. And there's so many Germans that they're pretty much irresistible. And by about 1230, they have forced pretty much all the British troops to fall back. There's just one unit left, and that's the first South Wales borderers who are defending the chateau at Gellewelt under overwhelming fire.
Starting point is 00:18:14 And their colonel, who's called Henry Burley Leach, he sent a message, and he says, I desperately need help because Geliwelt is lost. Now at this point, this is probably as close as the British ever came on the Western Front to complete panic and disintegration. Later on, years after the war, the core commander who was called Douglas Haig, he later told George V, he said, I remember the crowds of fugitives who came back down the men in road, having thrown away everything they could, including their rifles and packs, in order to escape, with a look of absolute terror on their faces, such as I have never before seen on any human being's face. So it looks like the British are going to collapse. And the call goes out. We need reinforcements desperately. And there's only one unit held in reserve that can get there.
Starting point is 00:19:01 And they are the second Worcesters. And the Worcesters are kind of your classic, old-fashioned county regiment, you know, sort of men with moustaches, all this. There are fewer than 400 of them. They'd fought very bravely a few days earlier. So they've been told they're going to be resting. They're not being put into the line. As one of them later said, they're dog-tired, cold, wet, plastered with mud. They haven't washed or shaved for days. And at one o'clock, they're told, actually, you know what?
Starting point is 00:19:27 You're not resting. We need you. They're brought forward to the front line. They're given some rum and some stew. And they're told, you have to fight to the chateau. Maybe the South Wales border is still there. Maybe they're not. But basically, if they are, you've got to save them. You've got to get to this chateau. And it's a terrifying prospect, because they have to cross these open fields. They have to cross a stream. They're under enemy shell fire. There's no cover. They've got to get to this Chateau and save the British Empire, these 400 blokes. So at 145, they fix their bayonets, and their major, who's called Edward Hankey, says, come on, lads, let's just go for it. So they charge across this field. There's horrendous German fire coming at them. About a hundred of
Starting point is 00:20:08 them hit, killed or wounded. The rest of them just keep going. They go over this stream. They go over a railway line. They go over some hedges. And then they're through a wire fence. And then, and I quote, we cut through it as best we could at length the chateau grounds and there was the hun right enough but we had surprised him he hadn't seen us coming there was a cheer and we charged
Starting point is 00:20:31 and that's not me talking Tom it's Captain Boucher Campbell Senhouse Clark great name great guy so the Germans are swept from the field because they weren't expecting these blokes to turn up
Starting point is 00:20:41 Major Hankey of course blows his hunting horn and the South Wales borderers who've been there all the time holding out in the chateau, they emerge from the chateau. Hurrah, great scenes. And then I think one of the great moments in all history, Major Hanky realizes that Colonel Leach is an old friend of his from his hunting days.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And he says, well, they'd been to, I think one of them had been to Eaton and the other had been to Uppingham, but they'd surely played each other. Well, maybe gone fox hunting. Maybe they've gone fox hunting, exactly. Anyway, Major Hanky holds out his hand to Colonel Leach, and he says the most British thing in history. He says, my God, fancy me to you here. So it's a great victory, Tom, I'm happy to say, for our historic public schools. But also, it's a great victory for the British Empire.
Starting point is 00:21:32 Because the really outstanding figure of the day, 31st of October 1914, is a machine gunner who was stationed in the nearby village of Hollebecker. Now, he was part of a six-man unit, and they'd come under unrelenting fire. He was hit in the arm, he was hit in the leg. but he kept on fighting, his sergeant was killed, the four other men in the unit were killed, so now it's just him, and he's surrounded by the lifeless bodies of his mates. He fights on, he's endangered being overrun by the Germans, so at the last minute he disables the gun, and he crawls away to safety under German fire. And this bloke's name was Kudad Khan, and he'd been born in 1888 in the Punjab, which was then
Starting point is 00:22:13 British India, now Pakistan. He'd enlisted in the Duke of Connought's own beluchies in August 1914, and he's one of one and a half million Indians, and indeed 400,000 Muslims who fought for Britain. And after this battle, Kududad Khan was shipped home to Brighton, where the Brighton Pavilion had been converted into a hospital for the Indian army. Was that because they thought that the Brighton Pavilion would remind the Indian troops of India? Do you know, I don't know. I've often wondered that. Surely, surely must have played a part. I mean, it's a very convenient building, but surely it must have played a part. And the Brighton Pavilion, I think it had different sections for kind of Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and whatnot. It was all very carefully kind of planned. Anyway, when this bloke, he was recovered, he was invited to Buckingham Palace to receive the Victoria Cross from George V. And he was the first Muslim ever to win it. Heroic stuff from Kudad Khan, from the Worcesters, from their comrades, from the guy with the hunting horn, the whole set.
Starting point is 00:23:20 And the drama is that I'm guessing the British hold on, that they maintain the Eap salient, whether it's a triangle or a square or a circle. We haven't absolutely decided, but we've definitely decided that tremendous heroism has been shown. And that's the key thing. But Dominic, I'm guessing the Germans haven't given up. No. And after the break, Tom, they will make another attempt. They will throw the dice one last time. This episode is brought to you by Uber.
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Starting point is 00:26:08 So we're now into November. The weather has definitely turned. It's pouring with rain. It's very cold. The trenches are kind of knee-deep in mud. And on the 5th of November, Germanist Supreme Commander Eric von Falkenheim says, one more go.
Starting point is 00:26:23 And he orders a new wave of assaults on the E Prasalient, and they're battering again and again away at these lines with a colossal loss of life. Both sides now are really running on empty. The front line officers are begging all the time. My men need to rest. You know, there's a real, weariness to it. And a sense of if there was any last vestige of romance about this, it has long
Starting point is 00:26:47 since disappeared. So Max Hastings tells the story of the German 143rd infantry. They went down the Mennon Road, this sort of crucial road, with their regimental band playing Deutschland Uber Alas song that we began with. And British fire ripped into them. Lots of the musicians were killed and they were forced backwards. And when they got back, the band were all ordered. hand over your instruments, you won't be using those again. And they were told, you know, your days of, you know, blowing trumpets are over. You have to retrain as stretcher bearers. And as Max Hastings says, it feels like a very symbolic moment, kind of handing over your trumpet and being given a stretcher. There are a couple more days of punishing assaults on the 10th and the 11th. Falconheim's last attempt, really, a massive artillery bombardment. Yet again, he throws thousands of men down this men in road. A couple of places the Germans briefly break through, but they're British were able to sort of plug the gaps. Again, there are countless kind of really haunting stories. So one of them is there's a guy called William Holbrook, who's a corporal and the royal fuseliers, and his platoon were pinned down in no man's land. And at one point, he said,
Starting point is 00:27:55 a German officer crawled out of the bushes and said in perfect English, I am wounded. And the fuseliers lieutenant shouted, great banter, he shouted, you shouldn't make these bloody attacks, then he wouldn't get wounded. And everybody laughs. And then a bullet smacks him to the lieutenant's head and blows it off so they're not laughing now. And later Holbrook crawls into a crater, a shell crater for cover. And in it he finds a German, a wounded German soldier who begs him for water in German. Holbrook gives him some water. The bloke drinks this water and it just pours out of a hole in his side. And the German holds up three fingers and he says to Holbrook, Kleinerkinder, meaning I've got three small children. And then
Starting point is 00:28:36 Holbrook just sits with him until this bloke dies, and then when darkness falls, he crawls back to the British Lions. And there are loads of stories like this. Anyway, this day ends like all the others. The Germans almost break through, but they haven't quite. And by now, both sides have run out of shells and the men just can't go on. And the weather is now so awful, howling winds, blizzards of snow, that mass assaults are just completely unrealistic. And the fighting sort of drags on in a very to sultry way until about the 25th of November, when Falkenheim says, he issues an order to all German forces in the West. Okay, we're done for the year. Hold your ground, dig in, and we'll wait until the Thor comes in the new year. By this point, have both the Germans
Starting point is 00:29:21 and the French and the British dug trenches all the way to the coast? Yes, the trench lines now are complete. So they run from the coast, effectively, all the way down to the Swiss border. I know you, of course, Tom would go through Switzerland. Yes, the unimaginative German high command have failed to seize that opportunity. They have failed to seize it. So, Ibrahim has been a victory for the Allies, no question. They've kept Ipe, although it's been completely reduced to rubble the cloth hall in ruins, whatever. They've kept the channel ports.
Starting point is 00:29:53 They've kept this salient to the east, although this is now means it's going to come for the next four years under unrelenting fire from the German guns. And presumably already by this point is just mud. Yeah, exactly, been churned up into nothing. But the cost is enormous. So out of 160,000 men that the British had, they've lost about 60,000 killed, wounded and missing. So that's a casualty rate of more than 30% unsustainable in the long run. The Belgians have lost a third of their army. The French, at Ipe alone have lost 50,000 men. And the German losses at Ip. They lost 140,000 men at Eap. Most of them wounded or missing, but 25,000. And that's because they're the ones doing. the attacking. They're the ones doing the attacking. The attacking is what gets you. And this is obviously just a fraction of the total death toll. So to give you a sense, the British in four months, and don't forget the British are by far the smallest army. They have lost 90,000 men, killed, wounded and captured. So many officers, it's often, you know, this thing about lions led by donkeys, it's actually the officers who take most of the casualties because they're leading from the front.
Starting point is 00:30:58 So so many officers from aristocratic families have died. Forty-seven people. people have died who were heirs to aristocratic titles, that John Buckin said that reading the casualty lists in the Times was like scanning the death roll after Agincourt or Flodden. In other words, the flower of the nobility has been destroyed. And in fact, the BEF generally, the old BEF that had sailed to France and that, you know, they'd been kind of joshing with people at railway stations and accepting gifts of flowers, that's pretty much being destroyed. You know, huge numbers of those men have been killed or wounded.
Starting point is 00:31:33 And so at home, Kitchener, the War Minister is now raising what becomes imaginatively to be called the new army. But not the new model army. Not the new model army. That would have been a grey name. And so this is when his recruiting poster starts to go up. Exactly. So there's a huge recruitment drive now. But of course, that's Britain.
Starting point is 00:31:52 But for the French and the Germans, the casualties are far higher. Each of those combatants has lost about half a million men killed, wounded or captured. And for the Germans who were particularly keen to get this done and dusted quickly because they're so anxious about the allied manpower advantage, obviously the Russians, this is particularly worrying. And so this, I think, starts to explain the story we began with, the young men singing as they go into battle. This idea of the kindermode, the death of the children. So in Britain, it's usually translated as the massacre of the innocence. Tom, you'll know all about this. This is your bailiwick.
Starting point is 00:32:32 biblical massacres. Yes, the children being massacred on the orders of Herod, which we talked about in our episode on the origins of the blood libel. Exactly. So I guess you could call this a meme, a cultural artifact that goes through loads of different variations as it spreads. And it spreads in the last days at the Battle of Eap, and then it gathers momentum. And by the time Hitler borrowed it, so he's writing Mein Kampf in 1924, at that point, he's basically ripping it off because it was familiar to every thinking German. It's become a hallowed part of their national wartime mythology. And so what's the thinking?
Starting point is 00:33:05 Is Hitler making, I mean, is Hitler's reminiscence is authentic or is he molding them to suit the form of the myth or what's going on? I think there probably is an element of authenticity in them, actually. I think he's undoubtedly molding them as people do. But as we will see, a lot of German historians now hate this story. And they say this story is pure, it's sinister propaganda. But as we will see, there is a definite element of truth to it. So the most common version of the meme is that the date is given us the 10th November
Starting point is 00:33:35 and it's heavy fog and a German unit is advancing on the village of Langermark. And these are student volunteers, so the story goes. They're so young that their comrades have nicknamed them the children's core. And they're advancing through the fog and the British Open Fire at them sithing through their ranks. The survivors, these young lads, dropped to the ground, they're paralyzed with fear. then one of them starts to sing Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alice and then another joins in
Starting point is 00:34:05 and then another and then as one they get up and they start to run at the enemy trenches ignoring the enemy fire. A lot of them lost their helmets but they don't care they just keep going one account says they are like unreal figures from an old saga and
Starting point is 00:34:20 some versions they storm the British trenches but more typically they're shot down one by one and the song finally fades away And so you can sort of see why, you know, a nation raised on Richard Wagner and inspiring stories of Teutonic Knights are going to love this story. I mean, what's interesting about it, it prefigures what is what in Britain is probably the most famous myth that arises from the first world of the lot, which is the Christmas truce. And again, there is that idea of a lone voice starting to sing a song, then other voices picking up. And then this is a story of peace rather than of war.
Starting point is 00:34:57 But again, there is the thing that at the end, the singing fades away and the guns start firing again. And it has the same kind of rhythm, doesn't it? That hadn't occurred to me, actually, but I think that's a really good point. So it's very tempting to say, well, this is obviously made up. It's obviously pure propaganda. But actually, there's a guy called Robert Cowley, who's done brilliant detective work on this. And I commend his article of the military history quarterly. So in this article, he traces this story to an official, a German army bulletin,
Starting point is 00:35:26 which was printed the next day, the 11th of November, and ended up on loads of newspaper front pages. And the newspaper's story said, West of Langermark, youthful regiment stormed the first lines of the enemy trenches and took them singing, Deutschland, Deutsche,deutsland, Uber Alice. Now, actually, as he points out, we know this didn't happen.
Starting point is 00:35:45 No volunteer units captured allied trenches at Langermark that day. So that's why a lot of German historians now, and you can completely see why, they dismissed this whole story, And they said this is a nationalistic fantasy, it's a prefiguring a Nazism, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But actually, Cowley says, you know what, there are loads of allied accounts of Germans singing as they go into battle. There's one at Zonabecher in the 21st of October. A British soldier says Germans came out of singing, waving their rifles.
Starting point is 00:36:14 We shot them down, but they were incredibly brave. The next day, 22nd of October, the Gloucesters. They fought a German volunteer unit. They advanced with the utmost determination singing patriotic songs and suffered appalling. casualties. And there are two accounts by a French colonel called Henri Collin, near a place called Big Shooter. He says, first of all, a load of Germans advanced singing, and we drove them off. They left a great number of corpses. And then on the 16th of October, and I quote, the young German recruits advance shoulder to shoulder in a column four men abreast and singing
Starting point is 00:36:45 Deutschland Uber Alas. It was crazy. The human cost meant nothing to them. So the Allies aren't going to be making this stuff up. And Robert Cowdy says, what's going on here? He says, these are not blokes who are singing because they're suffused with a kind of Viking spirit to give their lives for their country. Actually, what's happened is, these are volunteers who Falcon Heinz thrown into the sort of the meat grinder. They have been very hastily trained, then rushed to the front. They are not really ready for what's coming at them. They're overwhelmed by the horror of it. They're probably singing for two reasons. One, to keep panic at bay to kind of desperately try to keep their spirits up. And number two, because the
Starting point is 00:37:30 weather has changed, it's become very rainy and very foggy. And they're singing, as a lot of units did of all sides, to identify themselves to other units. So they're not shot by friendly fire. So in other words, this is not really a story about great melodramatic, patriotic enthusiasm. It's a one that expresses the terror and confusion of young men at the front. Now, the other thing Robert Cowley says is, first of all, it's probable that a lot of them are not singing Deutschland, Uber Alice. They're probably singing the song that Hitler mentions at the beginning of that passage, which is De Vacht Am Rhine, the Watch on the Rhine. That was the most popular German marching song. And the other thing, they're not children. They're not even
Starting point is 00:38:15 students. Only one in five of these volunteers were students. They're actually just ordinary Germans. We'll come back to why they start to be referred to a student. Finally, it doesn't happen at Langermark. Why does the story end up being located here and here? Cowdy has this brilliant explanation, which is just so simple. He says, in German, to a German ear, most of these other villages have very unglamorous names. So, Big Shooter doesn't sound like a place
Starting point is 00:38:41 for a kind of Wagnerian self-immolation. But Langermark does. He quotes a former volunteer who was writing in 1933, who said of Langermark, the name sounds like a heroic. legend. So in other words, the story was placed here because it sounded really good. So how does the story come to play such a massive part in German propaganda? Obviously, the colossal loss of life is an important bit of the context, but there are two things about Eeper in particular. Number one, more than any other battle in 1914, this feels like a total waste of lives. Because
Starting point is 00:39:17 Falcon Hein is throwing thousands of men basically into the inferno and they haven't broken through. And this will become the prototype for the First World War battle that endures to this day, this image of mass slaughter that serves no purpose at all. Exactly. Because if you think about all the battles who talked about so far, Mons or the Battle of the Frontiers or, you know, Le Cato or especially the Marn, people are moving quite a lot. You know, the front line is ebbing and flowing, right, quite quickly. But here, the front line is stuck and people are sort of charging and they're being shot down. and then the next day they're trying again and this is going to be the theme, isn't it, until 1918? But for the British, they have not yet picked up on this theme because presumably for them,
Starting point is 00:40:03 IPRA is a thermopylae that holds. Yeah, it's defensive. It's a defensive battle in which the defenders are massively outnumbered and yet the overwhelming force of the attackers can't break through. So is it the SOM that teaches them the lesson that the Germans have already learned in 1914? I think so. I think if you talk to a lot of British military,
Starting point is 00:40:22 historians now, they will say that basically what happens in the next few years is a learning curve. And the French finally figure it out in 1918, they win. But it takes a long time to get to that point. Going back to Ypres, the impact of that slaughter falls disproportionately on the Germans and on their reserve divisions of their young volunteers, divisions which actually end up losing about half their men. So as these stories go back to Germany, the newspapers in Germany are craving a bit of good news, a story that gives their sacrifice, a deeper meaning. So a story that will both inspire the men who are still in the trenches, but it will also reassure people back home. And so that is why this idea of the sacrifice
Starting point is 00:41:03 at Langermark has such traction. On the first anniversary of when this is supposed to have happened, which is the 10th of November, so in 1915, all the German papers celebrated the day of Langermark, and they said it should become a national day of remembrance. Of course, the irony is that it's the next day, the 11th, that in the long run becomes the day of remembrance across Europe. And once Germany lose the war in 1918, the idea of the Kindermort becomes incredibly powerful because it fits perfectly with the stab in the back legend. So it's our brave boys went singing into battle, but in the long run they were betrayed by communists and Jews and social democrats and, you know, civilian politicians and so on.
Starting point is 00:41:48 So in this idea of it as a massacre of the innocence, it's not so much the British who are playing the part of Herod in this narrative. It's the evil, I suppose, the Jews most obviously, because Herod was Jewish, but the guys back home who were profiteering. Yeah, I think so in the long run, certainly by the 1920s, when this story is being told, it's not an anglophobic story. In other words, the British is just doing their job firing their machine guns. But the real villains are the people who betrayed these young men. I think that's absolutely part of it. So in the 1920s, it's very popular with veterans groups, like the steel helmets, nationalistic veterans groups, but also student groups, who, as we know, are also very
Starting point is 00:42:27 nationalistic in the 1920s and 30s. And it's given extra oomph by two things. So first of all, in 1922, the Deutschland, Leed, Deutscheland, Deutscheubert-Alice, was adopted as the anthem of the Weimar Republic. Before this, this had not been the German anthem. The German anthem was something called Heil Deer Imseiger Kranz, Hail to thee with the victor's crown. It was a kind of imperial anthem. And then in 1932, a huge German cemetery with more than 44,000 bodies, was dedicated at Langermark. 1932, of course,
Starting point is 00:43:00 we know what's going to happen the following year, the advent of the Third Reich. And for Hitler and the Nazis, this story, it just seemed brilliant. It ticked every box for them. Youth, patriotism, struggle, sacrifice. The point about the student element is that students are such an important part of Hitler's coalition. Students love the Nazis. They can't wait to do a book burning. So when the Nazis get in, this story, this one moment becomes, dare I say, a sacral date. I think you absolutely can, yeah, in the Nazi religion.
Starting point is 00:43:37 And I suppose also the fact that Hitler had been a participant in the First Battle of Ipe. I mean, it sanctifies him with the memory. of these soldiers who had died. I mean, who can say whether Hitler was ever in an offensive where people sang songs? Well, I mean, it's perfectly plausible that he could have been. And, I mean, there is a degree of cynicism to this,
Starting point is 00:44:00 but I think if you had asked him, if you had been having tea with a furor like your mate, what's her name, Unity Mitford, then he would have said that it did happen and he would probably have believed that it happened, even if it didn't. You know, he'd have convinced himself that he was part of it.
Starting point is 00:44:15 It would be part of his personal mythology of his involvement in the First World War, which plays such a huge part in his psychology. Anyway, from 1933, this was the day in which students were traditionally inducted into the Nazi Party the 10th of November, and every member of the Hitler youth had to pay a levy called the Langermark Fenig, the Langermark Penny. Robert Cowley in his article quotes a Nazi propagandist, National Socialism and Langermark are one and the same. So, to go back to 1914, when people find out you're a historian and the subject of the First World War comes up, people often ask this question, why did they carry on?
Starting point is 00:44:53 Why at the end of 1914 didn't they just all stop and agree to go home? And I think this story actually in some ways helps to answer that because the point is the scale of the slaughter and the sacrifice makes it harder to stop the war because you've sacrificed so many young men that it has. to mean something. You know, it can't all have been for nothing. The sacrifice must have been worth some kind of existential goal. The other thing I think about this question is that it's actually based on a false premise, which is that when people ask, why on earth do they keep going, the implication is, didn't they realize at this point that it was all for nothing, that it was all futile? I think you used the word futile earlier, didn't you, when you were saying about the perception of futile attacks and a futile war and stuff. But the French and the Germans
Starting point is 00:45:40 are the two most heavily committed countries. They don't think it's futile. at all. So if you're French, right, at this point, end of 1914, you haven't got Alsace and Lorraine back. And what's worse, the Germans have taken another 10th of your territory. They've taken a sixth of your manufacturing industry. They've taken all of your iron and steel. They've got 8 million acres of your most fertile farmland. Of course you're not going to stop. You know, it's like saying to the Ukrainians, why don't you stop? Of course you're not going to stop when they've got your territory. And as for the Germans, they went into this thinking this was life or death, right?
Starting point is 00:46:13 That's what Malka thought. It's what the Kaiser thought. It's what Bettmann-Holveg thought. And so they still think that. Of course, they still think it. A lot of people have died. They've got the French and the Russians in arms on both sides of them. They think, but of course, we're not going to just go home.
Starting point is 00:46:26 Because, actually, you know, Tom, we know what happens when they lost. Yeah, it wasn't good. Yeah. So they're thinking, of course, we've got to keep going and try to win somehow. But of course, what they all know now is that this is going to be very long and very brutal. So you mentioned this already. In the American football, so American listeners will enjoy this, they have a saying that defense wins championships.
Starting point is 00:46:50 And this is true of the First World War as much as it is of their ludicrous game. Because if you attack, right, the lesson of the Schlefen plan is, you will probably outrun your supply lines, you'll get exhausted, and then you'll be vulnerable. And actually, even in a small scale, if you attack, you'll probably end up stuck on some bar wire being riddled with machine gun bullets while a shell lands on your head. So in other words, both sides are basically, well, we're going to have to fight a kind of defensive strategy. They're digging in, deep trenches, sandbags, all this kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:47:22 And for older commanders who've known different kinds of war, this is a real shock. So Kitchener said a few months later, I just don't know what is to be done. This isn't war, as I understand it. You could say, oh, ha, ha, you know, look at this old man, completely clapped out and integrated, but that's very unfair. he was born in 1850. He'd fought in Egypt and in the Sudan. He'd won the Battle of Ombudsman, hadn't he?
Starting point is 00:47:44 He had. How could he possibly know? How could you possibly work out? You know, with that experience, how you're going to win a war like this, which is unprecedented. I mean, I suppose if the Mardi had had machine guns as well.
Starting point is 00:47:57 Might have been a different story. It might have been a different story and he might have had time to think about it. Do you know what? Every podcast we ever do is in danger which is generating into a podcast about General Gordon. I know.
Starting point is 00:48:06 He's always lurking in the background. He lives rent-free in our head. as the youngsters say. Right. So we started with the Germans, let's end with them. Now, you might expect them to be completely despondent because they've been told all this time that the Schlieffen-Molka plan
Starting point is 00:48:20 is the only way they're going to win. On the opposite side, they're entrenched in French and Belgian territory. They can stay where they are. They can focus on defence. And their hope, obviously, is that the Entente, that the Allies will wear themselves out and attacking them and eventually will come
Starting point is 00:48:34 to the negotiating table. But the Germans really do need that to happen quite soon. probably in the next year or so. So just a question, if this had happened, say the French and the British had opened negotiations, if they'd said, look, this is hopeless, we're all going to bleed to death. What terms do you think might have been arrived at?
Starting point is 00:48:53 It's just an impossible question, isn't it? Do you think that to sue for terms would have been a kind of admission of defeat? I think so. If you go to the negotiator's saying, but say, please, can we talk about this? You look weak, don't you? Well, I just, whether you frame it and saying,
Starting point is 00:49:06 look, we are spilling the blood of young men across Europe. There is no way out of this. You know, it's like a, it's like abandoning a test match where you can't force a victory to use the kind of thing that Lionel Tennyson would have said. But here's the thing, Tom. We mentioned Ukraine earlier on, right? And there's lots of talk right now when we're recording this. People are always saying, should they have a ceasefire? Should they blah, blah, blah. Ukrainians would say the Russians are in possession of quite a bit of our territory. We'll talk to them when we've got rid of them, basically. Why should we just agree to Stop. Well, that's the key question, isn't it? Would the Germans have been willing to withdraw, say, from German-held France? So this is the thing. I think the French would say, we're not prepared to talk to these guys until they get out of our territory. And the Germans would say, well, why would we get out of our territory when this is the one card that we have? So I think it's difficult to imagine how those talks really, I certainly don't think there's going to be Franco-German talks. I mean, again, the British are pretty committed at this point, I think.
Starting point is 00:50:08 I've lost a lot of men as well. The problem is, has all that sacrifice been for nothing? How on earth are you going to sell that to your population to say tens, hundreds of thousands of men, but actually we've all made a bit of a mistake. I think that's really hard to imagine. But it would have been the best thing to do. Well, it would have been, and of course later in the war, in particular, there are people who start to make this case, right?
Starting point is 00:50:31 There are quite brave people who say, come on, I'm not sure this persisting with this is the right idea. But in 1914, I don't think there's any serious possibility of it happening. The interesting thing, actually, Tom, is that somebody who agrees with you, to some degree, is Eric von Falkenheim. So on the 18th November, basically when the Ieper is lost, he said to the German Chancellor, Betten Holweig, he said, I don't think we can win this on the battlefield. And we start thinking about a political solution. And his, Falconin's idea was that basically you choose one of Russia or France, ideally Russia, and you strike. a separate peace with them. And he said, and I quote, and he's totally right, if Russia, France and England hold together, we cannot defeat them in such a way as to achieve acceptable peace terms. We're more likely to be slowly exhausted. That, of course, is exactly what happens. But Bethven Holbeck says no. And he says no for two reasons. Number one, he says, how on earth would we sell this to the German people? They will never stand for it in a million years. It'd be political. It'd be suicide for the entire governing elite of Germany. And secondly,
Starting point is 00:51:36 Beethoven-Holveg is looking to the east because on the eastern front the war has been unfolding very differently. This has been, there's not trenches, it's a story of these huge armies wandering across this huge landscape of grasslands and marshes and the front lines are always changing. So it's a kind of great northern war? It is much more great northern war. And on the eastern front, the Germans have found two new heroes who they think might hold the key to victory.
Starting point is 00:52:05 these people are Paul von Hindenberg and Eric Ludendorf. They are the victors of the Battle of Tannenberg. And to anyone who knows about the rise of the Nazis, they are very, very familiar names. And Tom, we will be telling their story next time. Okay, well, members of the Restis History Club can hear those episodes right now, of course. And if you'd like to join them, if you're not a member of the Restis History Club already, then you can sign up at the Restless History.com. But for now, Beaterseign. Of you see.

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