The Rest Is History - 621. The Nazis at War: Blitzkrieg (Part 2)

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

When Hitler’s eye fell on Norway and Denmark, how did he and the Nazis enact their terrible plan of conquest? How did the Allies respond to this western campaign? And, how did the French fare agains...t the furious German attack…? Join Dominic and Tom as they discuss the next bombastic phase of the Nazis at war. Join The Rest Is History Club: Unlock the full experience of the show – with exclusive bonus episodes, ad-free listening, early access to every series and live show tickets, a members-only newsletter, discounted books from the show, and access to our private Discord chatroom. Sign up directly at therestishistory.com For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com _______ Hive. Know your power. Visit https://hivehome.com to find out more. _______ Whether you’re hosting or guesting this Christmas, you need the UK’s best mobile network and broadband technology, only from EE. _______ Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here ➼ https://nordvpn.com/restishistory It's risk-free with Nord's 30-day money-back guarantee ✅ _______ Twitter: @TheRestHistory @holland_tom @dcsandbrook Video Editor: Jack Meek / Harry Swan Social Producer: Harry Balden Assistant Producer: Aaliyah Akude Producer: Tabby Syrett Senior Producer: Theo Young-Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:27 Above all, of the cause of freedom. A tremendous battle is raging in France and Flanders. The Germans, by a remarkable combination of air bombing and heavily armored tanks, have broken through the French defenses north of the Maginot Line. If this is one of the most awe-striking periods in the long history of France and Britain, It is also beyond doubt the most sublime, side by side, unaided, except by their kith and kin in the great dominions, and by the wide empires which rest beneath their shield. Side by side, the British and French peoples have advanced to rescue not only Europe but mankind, from the foulest and most selfish. old destroying tyranny, which was ever darkened and stained the pages of history.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Behind them? Behind us. Behind the armies and fleets of Britain and France. Gather a group of shattered states and bludgeoned races. The Czechs, the Poles, the Norwegians, the Danes, the Dains, the Dian, the Dynes, the Dynes, the The Belgians, upon all of whom the long night of barbarism will descend, unbroken even by a star of hope, unless we conquer. As conquer we must. As conquer we shall. So that, Dominic, it will stun you to learn, was Winston Churchill, and it was his first radio address as British Prime Minister
Starting point is 00:04:24 delivered on the 19th of May 1940. And when he gave that address, he had been Prime Minister for only nine days. But never in history. Had anybody taken office against quite such a bleak backdrop? So we ended
Starting point is 00:04:40 our previous episode with Hitler preparing his great attack in the West, an attack that huge numbers of people in the German high command thought was a disastrous policy. But actually, In the short term, Hitler had been proved right because the blow fell on the Western armies
Starting point is 00:04:58 on the 10th of May, the very day that Churchill would become Prime Minister. And what happens next is one of the great duels, one of the great dramas, not just in European, but all world history. Yeah. So this week we're exploring the great turning point in the story of the Nazis, the events of 1940. But let's just remind ourselves where we ended last time. So Hitler in late 1939, crushed Poland, divided it with Stalin. He has escaped a possible coup by his own generals.
Starting point is 00:05:32 He's also escaped a bomb attack in the Munich Beer Hall. And he has told his high command to prepare an attack on France and England, as he calls it, at the earliest and most favorable moment. And that attack has been much postponed and timetabled for the spring of 1940. And we'll be coming to that attack. and to Churchill's emergence as Britain's savior later in this episode. But first, somewhere we haven't discussed at all in the whole of this series on the third right, going back four seasons, and that is the North, and the irony being that the Nazis
Starting point is 00:06:07 were so obsessed with their northern inheritance and their kind of their Nordic roots and Norse myths, but they never gave much thought to Scandinavia, really. But we mentioned the iron ore in Sweden, which I'm very excited about. Yes, and that will come. But also, you touched on Finland, didn't you? The fact that the Soviets were bogged down in the snows of that distant northern land. Yeah, it's like listen to Winston Churchill. I know I'm kind of infected by it. Yeah. The brave people of Finland. So, Finland, formerly the Grand Duchy of Finland, have been part of the Russian Empire, three and a half million people. And Stalin had attacked us at the end of November 1939 because he'd given
Starting point is 00:06:48 an ultimatum to the Finns to hand over a chunk of Karelia, the bit of Finland that is just above Leningrad, formerly St. Petersburg. The Finns, to his great surprise, said no. Stalin sent in the Red Army, but the Red Army was useless at this stage because Stalin had killed all their generals as part of the Great Terror. He had purged them, and they were completely unprepared. We think of the Russians as supremely well equipped to fight in the winter, but they were very unprepared compared with the Finns, who were wearing these kind of white camouflage uniforms were on skis and were throwing Molotov cocktails at them, so that this is the war that gives us the Molotov cocktail.
Starting point is 00:07:23 And basically, you know, Finland is clearly never going to completely win the war because it's tiny compared with the Soviet Union. Basically, the two sides had to agree a compromise. And in March 1940, the Finns handed over a chunk of Karelia, but Stalin then dropped his previous plan of basically turning Finland into a semi-absorbed client state, and he lets them keep their independence. And the result of this war, the winter war, is that the Red Army have lost about 125,000 men killed, and another 300,000 have been incapacitated by wounds, or they've basically
Starting point is 00:07:59 got disease, or they've got frostbites. And Hitler's been watching this, right? Yes. And so he thinks, ah, this demonstrates that the Soviet army is rubbish, and therefore it will be easy for us to conquer it. Exactly. It's really important, actually, in Hitler's thinking this so-called winter war between Finland and the USSR. Because Hitler, as he says to his top brass, we have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure of the Soviet Union will come crashing down. And this is what everybody believes, having watched what happened
Starting point is 00:08:32 in Finland. Now, Finland is therefore preserved as a buffer in the north between Scandinavia and the Soviet Union. And so now Hitler can work on a plan. to bring Scandinavia into his empire. And the key thing here, which I know something that really excites you, is iron ore. There's nothing I enjoy more than a discussion about iron ore. Can I give you some stats? I'd love a iron ore statistic. So, Dominic, and listeners, here is some exciting iron ore stats,
Starting point is 00:09:02 and they come from the War in the West by my brother James Holland. By December 1939, British intelligence deduced that of the 22 million tons of iron ore imported in 1938, the equivalent of 9.5 million tons of that supply had come from sources now close to it. And so that is obviously a massive crisis for the Nazi war effort, because without iron ore, they can't build their planes and guns and all that kind of stuff. And so that puts an absolute premium on the one remaining guaranteed source of iron ore, and that is Sweden. So you can see why this is a huge kind of determinant in Nazi war planning.
Starting point is 00:09:41 Massive. It's absolutely massive. Isn't that interesting? I think that's interesting. It's fascinating. I think it's probably a fascinating fact we've ever had on the rest of history. So this iron ore is produced by mines in the north of Sweden. It comes out of Sweden through one port in particular, which is Narvik across the border in northern Norway. Which I think is a great name, Narvik. Yeah, I've been to Narvick, actually. Have you?
Starting point is 00:10:05 Kind of nondescript. But a good name. Yeah, but a good name. So Narvick is also ice-free in winter. So you can bring iron ore all year round. Now, as soon as the war broke out in September 1939, Grand Admiral Raider of the Kriegsmarine, which is the Navy, went to Hitler and said, look, we have to guarantee this flow of iron ore from northern Sweden.
Starting point is 00:10:28 In other words, we have to establish ourselves in Norway, which is neutral, because if we don't, the Allies will. And if they get their first, we are in real trouble. And Raider said to Hitler, this business of the Winter War in Finland is a real issue, because the Allies, I think, will use that as a pretext. They will send troops to help Finland against Stalin, and on the way, they will occupy Norway and northern Sweden. And the thing is, he's right, isn't he? Because actually the Allies do have exactly such a plan. They do, and this may surprise a lot of listeners. The Allies absolutely had such a plan.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Churchill, now running the Admiralty, the Navy in Britain, is especially keen on it. So under his eagis, Britain and France draw up a plan to invade Denmark and Norway. Basically, if you're invading Norway, you have to take Denmark as well, because it's right next door. They would have landed troops and Narvik. They would have seized the Swedish iron mines, and they would have then pushed troops further on into Finland to help the Finns against Stalin, who at this point, they kind of perceive as Hitler's ally, his partner in crime. Now, they ended up scrapping this plan, basically in part because the Norwegians and the Swedes got wind of it. And they said, what?
Starting point is 00:11:47 You're planning to occupy us. Yeah, that's not good, is it? That's outrageous. But the threat is still there. So on the 20th of February, Hitler summoned one of his generals who was called Paul von Falconhorst and said, I want you to come up with a plan to invade Norway and Denmark. And this is a very good indication of the mad way that Hitler does business. It's so funny.
Starting point is 00:12:08 See, he calls to this guy Falcon Horse and says, and by the way, I need this plan. You've got until 5 o'clock this afternoon. I don't know what time it is. It's like lunchtime or something. Yeah, he's got kind of three hours. And also, you can't tell anyone about it and you can't get any help. So he goes to a bookshop, doesn't he?
Starting point is 00:12:25 He gets a Bidica, a guide to Scandinavia. Yeah. And he books himself into a hotel, Falcon Horse, with this guidebook and sort of in desperation. He hasn't even got any maps or anything. He's just got a guidebook. Desperately scribbling, I don't know, in hotel notepaper or something. The plan to invade Norway and Denmark. Hitler was convinced this will be very easy. And by the end of March, Grand Admiral Raider has said, come on, me need to hurry up. They set the date for the 9th of April. Now, in the meantime, they obviously need a reason to go in. And ideally, they will have a local collaborator. And Raider, the admiral, says to Hitler, look, I've got the perfect person. There's this bloke from Norway. He runs a fascist party called the Nacional Samling. I think, I don't know how my Norwegian pronunciation is. And this bloke's name is Vidcon Quisling. And Quisling, you'll be delighted to hear this, Tom.
Starting point is 00:13:19 He's the son of a Lutheran pastor. Surely everybody in Norway is the son of a Lutheran pastor. At least 30%, I would guess. Yeah. He'd got the highest marks. in the history of the Norwegian military academy that spoke Quisling and he'd worked very closely
Starting point is 00:13:33 with the explorer turned refugee campaigner Fritov Nansen. Anyway, there's only about 10 people in Norway. So if you've got those high marks from the academy, you can thrive in Norwegian politics. So Quisling was defence minister very briefly. Then in the 1930s, he sort of got really into Nordic nationalism
Starting point is 00:13:51 and he formed his own Nazi-style party and he called himself the Fuhrer of this party. spelt in an entertaining a Norwegian way. Yeah, so it's a no with a dash through it. Exactly. But he never did well. They were very poor. They never got more than two and a half percent of the vote.
Starting point is 00:14:08 So that's what? About six people voting for. Yeah. They never managed to elect a single Norwegian MP. Anyway, Rader brings him to Hitler and introduces him to Hitler, this guy, Quisling. And Hitler thinks that he's a bit useless. However, he's the only person they've got.
Starting point is 00:14:26 So they decide to back him anyway. And Quisling does turn out to be genuinely useful to the Germans because he was defence minister, so he's able to give them details of all Norway's defences. So overt treason? Completely. I mean, he really is a Quisling. And of course, that's where the name comes from. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:44 Now, in the meantime, the Allies finally, unbelievable, they've actually got their act together and decided to do something. So the French have finally got rid of their dithering prime minister, who was Dalladier, a socialist, and they've replaced him with somebody from the other end of the political spectrum, the centre-right, Paul Reynot. And Reino is a very clever man, kind of, you know, very impressive in many ways.
Starting point is 00:15:09 He's extremely short, actually. He's five-foot-three, so that's his defining characteristic. And he, Deladier, people used to say of Deladier, he made no decisions at all, but Reynne makes a decision every five minutes, and a lot of them are mad. So he's very like Churchill.
Starting point is 00:15:25 He loves kind of mad invasion. of remote, distant places. That's his vibe, isn't it? He loves all that. Right. A wheeze. Yeah. So he's very keen on the idea of landing in Norway,
Starting point is 00:15:36 and he also wanted to attack Soviet oil fields in Baku in Azerbaijan. I mean, that seems mad. Indeed. Anyway, after a lot of dithering about this, the French and the British finally agree they will intervene in Norway. They will mine the waters around Narvik. That's the crucial port the Germans get their iron ore from. Now, they know that if they mine these waters, there will be a German reaction.
Starting point is 00:16:01 So they say we'll also have to send troops and occupy Norway's western ports. So that's Narvik, Stavanger, Bergen, places like that. And how do the Norwegians feel about this? Gutted, I think. Are they told or are they just going to turn up and occupy them? Yeah, as we shall see, the Norwegians, when the war breaks out, they don't know who started it, the Allies or the Germans. So that tells its own story, really. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:20 So at the beginning of April, Churchill, who is really responsible for all this and basically, ought to carry the can when it goes horribly wrong. I mean, it's so Gallipoli, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, he never learns really, does he? He decides he'll kick it off. He sends four destroyers to lay these minds. But I mean, I guess the reason that he doesn't end up carrying the can
Starting point is 00:16:40 is because Chamberlain on the 3rd of April, he addresses the Conservative National Union and he makes a kind of fateful boast, doesn't he? Whatever reason Hitler had for not making an immediate endeavor to overwhelm us, one thing is certain, he has missed the bus. And that phrase, Hitler has missed the bass, will return to haunt Chamberlain. Indeed. Because actually, while the Allies have been messing around and dithering with their mad
Starting point is 00:17:03 ideas, Hitler has made up his own mind, and he has already sent the German fleet to begin the operation against Norway. Now, the British, this speaks volumes about the quality of Britain's decision-making at this point. The British have intelligence to say the Germans have put to sea, but they say, yeah, they're probably not going to Norway. I imagine they're going to try and break through into the Atlantic. So, you know, let's not over-stress about that.
Starting point is 00:17:26 Early on the 8th of April, the British start to lay their minds outside Narvik. But the Germans are approaching all the time. My brother's brilliant on this, and he writes, it was incredible that after so much allied vacillation over Norway, both sides should have been beginning their offens at the same moment and both be ignorant of the other's plans. I mean, that is kind of mad, isn't it? It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:17:47 So midnight on the 8th, the Norwegians realized something is up. up. And the Norwegian side of the story is great, actually, and I shall be referring listeners to some excellent films on this made in Norway. It's about 1.30 in the morning, an aide comes in to wake the king, who is called Hawken the 7th. And he is a very sort of tall gaunt man, if you Google him. He's actually a Dane. So they had to pick a new king when they broke away from Sweden at the beginning of the 20th century. And they'd pick this Danish bloke. He's got an absolutely your first-class mustache. He sent his son to Balliol College, Oxford, which I think reflects very well on him. Anyway, there he is in bed, and his aide says, Majesty, we're at war. And the
Starting point is 00:18:31 king says, with whom? You know, because they don't know whether it's going to be the Germans or the Allies. Exactly the same thing happens in Iceland, doesn't it? Yeah. The British do go and occupy Iceland. Yeah. And they say, who is it? And they say the British, and they go, few. Because better than the British than the Germans, I guess. It's nice that people think that way about us. I'm sure everybody in the world thinks that way about when the British turn up, then they? That's the impression I get from the history books I read. Anyway, so there's a very comic side to the Norwegian resistance. So this is my favorite bit. Norway's commander-in-chief was an elderly general called General Larka. I don't think
Starting point is 00:19:06 Norwegians had ever really, not since Harold Hardrada really, had they extended themselves militarily. So General Larker is told, the Germans are coming up the Oslo Fjord. Ships are, you know, coming through the fog or whatever. And he says, right, call out the reserves. like, send out the letters. And someone said, what, the letters? I mean, they're not going to get here for days. We can do it all by post. Yeah, you know what the post is like in Norway.
Starting point is 00:19:32 Yeah. Anyway, staff officers remonstrated with him and he said, it's fine. There's no hurry. Don't overthink this. Just write them letters. They'll turn up. And then he said, I need to go back to my farm. This is my favorite detail, to get my toilet dress.
Starting point is 00:19:48 He basically has to get his wash bag from his farms. He goes out to his farm and collects his, like, a change of clothes, some underwear, you know, toothbrush, whatever. And then he calls a taxi. But because the invasion has begun, the taxi is very, very severely delayed. It takes ages to this taxi to arrive. The taxi picks him up and takes him back to Oslo to a Norwegian army headquarters. By the time he gets there with his washbag, the general staff have evacuated and they haven't left any information to tell him where they've gone. Isn't the spirit of Harold Hardrada, is it?
Starting point is 00:20:23 So he then works out where they've gone. He gets a tram, a suburban tram, carrying his stuff as far as he can, to the end of the line. And then he walked to the Norwegian Map Institute to see if they had a car that he could borrow to take him to meet his men. They don't have a car. So then he had to walk all the way back to the railway station to get a train. And it's hours and hours until he finally rejoins his. stuff. So Blitzkrieg, it is not. Well, do you know what? That sounds like I'm dissing the Norwegians
Starting point is 00:20:56 and I'm not because they put up some pretty stout resistance. The Germans have come up the Oslo Fjord in this cruiser, the Bluja with thousands of troops. There's a whole film about this called Bluca, a Norwegian film that came out in September. You can see clips from it on YouTube. The Norwegians have this fortress called the Oscarsborg, and it has two 19th century antique cannons. And basically, this Bluca comes closer and closer. These guys wait. at this fortress until it's really close. Then they fire with these antique cannons. They hit the Bluca's fuel store.
Starting point is 00:21:29 The Bluca explodes, bursts into flames and explodes, and 800 of the Germans were drowned. So it was a big win that for the Norwegians. And because of scenes like this, this gave the king, King Horkin and his ministers, time to get out of Oslo. They managed to smuggle out the gold reserves as well, don't they? Kind of pretty much under the noses of the Germans.
Starting point is 00:21:49 Yeah, it's a great story. I mean, as we'll see. it makes a great film. Because they head to this village called Elverham, which is about 40 miles north of Oslo. And they're being pursued the whole time by German paratroopers, who've been basically told,
Starting point is 00:22:01 get the Norwegian government and get the king, like we'll need them. The local rifle club, the Elverham Rifle Club, put up a roadblock and basically drove back these German paratroopers. I mean, that's incredible. These blokes were like hunting rifles or whatever.
Starting point is 00:22:16 These ordinary Norwegians managed to drive them back. And that gave the king and his, entourage time to get away. And they had a meeting. And basically, the king is told the Germans want Quisling to run a puppet government and you have to approve it. And the king says it's a very sort of stirring scene. He says to his ministers, look, there's no way I'm going to accept this, no way whatsoever. He says, if you want to accept it, fine, but I will abdicate. I will never ever preside over a Quisling government. And then he burst into tears. And it's a very stirring scene. There's a Norwegian film of this called The King's Choice. I fell down a massive rabbit
Starting point is 00:22:53 hole and ended up watching huge chunks of this film. It's really moving, actually. It's a really moving story. Now, meanwhile, further south, the Germans have also invaded Denmark, which is the country that King Hogan had been born into, because he's from the Danish royal family originally. And there the story is a bit different. And I mean that has no disrespect to the Danes, but the geography is just not in the Danes favour. Yeah, well, also, they've got a land border with Germany, so the panzers presumably can just roll through Schleswig Holstein. Which is exactly what they do. So they kick off at 4.15 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:23:27 The panzers roll over naval landings, paratroopers, and the Danes are completely nutty helpless. There's a bit of fighting around the royal palace in Copenhagen. But the king of Denmark, Christian the 10th, who is actually the Norwegian king's older brother, he can see that this is totally pointless. There's no geographical barriers. The Germans are just sort of rolling into Denmark. And by breakfast, he has ordered a ceasefire, and they signed the capitulation at 10 o'clock in the morning. That was the shortest campaign of the entire war.
Starting point is 00:23:58 So that's five and three-quarters hours. Yeah, from start to finish. Like, it's perfectly plausible if you had a lion that day, you could wake up and not know that an invasion had happened and was finished. So my brother goes so far as to say, surely the fastest conquest of a country in history. Yeah, quite possibly. And actually, I definitely don't want to disrespect. The king of Denmark, because King Christian, he didn't go into exile. as many monarchs did, because his son's wife, Crown Princess Ingrid, who was, I think, Swedish,
Starting point is 00:24:25 she was nine months pregnant and she couldn't travel. So he has to stay in Copenhagen. But he behaves tremendously well, doesn't he? Yeah. Very moving and powerful symbol of resistance. Very moving. He rides every day through Copenhagen on his horse, and the people gather and they cheer him and stuff. Everyone knows he is not keen on the Nazis and all of this.
Starting point is 00:24:45 And most famously, he said to the Germans, If you make the Danish Jews wear yellow stars, then I will wear one too, and basically all my people will wear them. I think it reflects tremendously well on him. You can see, again, you can see footage online of him riding through Copenhagen. Good for him. Brilliant. But the Norwegians can hold out much longer because of the mountains and stuff.
Starting point is 00:25:07 So by contrast, that campaign lasted for two months longer than any other German invasion campaign except for the invasion of the Soviet Union. So fair play to the Norwegians. And they were not a marshal people, but about 40,000 of them immediately volunteered. They fought very bravely. They didn't have decent equipment, but they really acquitted themselves well. Now, we are a patriotic podcast, but unfortunately, this is not something that can be said of the British. Or our gallant allies, the French.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Do they let themselves down? We absolutely disgraced ourselves. To quote Max Hastings in his book on the Second World War, our campaign was characterized by utter moral ignobility and military incompetence. So that's a shame. Oh, dear. So basically, part of this is because a lot of the best troops are stationed in France. So the British government sent some territorial reserve battalions, and they were absolutely useless.
Starting point is 00:26:03 They didn't have maps, a lot of them. They didn't have radios. They didn't have heavy weapons. They had the wrong shoes, ironically. Oh, did they? They did. Oh, well, we like that. They get into fights with local fishermen.
Starting point is 00:26:16 My favourite moment, Admiral Lord Cork, who was a very short man, wants to inspire his men to get off their ships and advance on Narvik, and they're very reluctant to do so, and he says, I'll lead you ashore. And he gets off the ship, and because he's a very short man, he falls into a snowdrift and has to be dug out by the rest of the men. So not the most glorious moment in British military history. No. So we did land in central Norway.
Starting point is 00:26:39 We did capture Narvik and then recapture it. But basically, Churchill is constantly coming up with schemes of various kinds, which end up being ditched. To quote Max Hastings again, Churchill shouted loudest, but his extravagant schemes were frustrated by the lack of means to fulfill them. Do you know what's even worse about that? In his office in the Admiralty, opposite his desk, who do you think Churchill has a portrait of? Surely Admiral Lord Nelson. It is Admiral Lord Nelson, whose record in Scandinavian conflict was a whole lot better. Yeah, but also Nelson was rubbish on land, to be fair.
Starting point is 00:27:13 So landings in Norway were precisely the kind of thing that Nelson would have made a terrible hash of. Do you not think? Yeah, but not as big a hash as Churchill did. That's Churchill made of Norway, no, I know, absolutely. And the worst thing is, when the British and French decide to pull the plug and they're going to have to evacuate, they didn't have the decency to tell the Norwegians. So they were dishonest with them until the final moment. So what's it? Max Hastings said, moral ignobility.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Yeah, moral ignobility and military incompetence. And actually, when the British finally did pull the blug and the Norwegian commander-in-chief, man called Otto Ruger, when he found out, he said very bitterly, So Norway is to share the fate of Czechoslovakia and Poland. And that's a crucial point. Yeah. You keep promising to people that you will defend them and uphold their independence. And basically, the lesson of history is that Britain and France will let you down.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Yeah, they'll cut and run. They'll cut and run. So you might be better off surrendering to them. the Germans. Exactly. Now, the Germans haven't completely had it their own way, and this is important. In the Norwegian campaign, they lost more than 20 cruisers and destroyers lost, or they were badly damaged, including the Bluquer, including the Bluja. And the Luftwaffe have lost almost 250 planes, and that will really matter later on in the Battle of Britain when every ship and every plane counts. So that will matter. But the big picture, once again, Hitler was
Starting point is 00:28:37 rolled the dice. Once again, he's worn. He's got his iron ore. He's got Norway's naval bases. And he's shown his men that the British and French are basically useless and can be beaten. So, you know, it's a series of wins for him. The big consequence, of course, is political. Because there is a general sense, I think, that has been gathering all through the phony war, first France and then in Britain, that the governments of peacetime are just not up to the challenge. So as Paul Rayno said to one of his own colleagues, Britain's government is full of old men who do not know how to take a risk. But isn't the paradox that the one guy who does love a risk is Churchill, and he's just completely goofed? So actually, they would have been better not invading Norway at all.
Starting point is 00:29:23 I suppose so. Either make it in their minds and doing it early and doing it properly, or yeah, probably not doing it at all, I guess. And really, he more than anyone, Churchill more than anyone, deserves the blame for what went wrong in Norway. But the irony is that at the time, most people say, well, this is typical of Chamberlain. Chamberlain is cautious, he's pettifogging. And also his whole Hitler missing the bus stuff. Hitler missing the bus. He's messing around with his umbrella when he should be invading Scandinavian countries. useless.
Starting point is 00:29:49 And so on the 7th of May, there was this famous debate in the House of Commons, the Norway debate, probably the most famous, most celebrated debate in British parliamentary history. Yeah, I thought so. Got to be up there. And that evening of 7th of May is when Leo A. Maria, Conservative MP famously points at Chamberlain and quotes Oliver Cromwell, in the name of God, go. And the next evening, the 8th of May, more than 100 Conservative MPs desert the government, and it's obvious that something has to change. So on the 9th, just to really simplify matters, cut a long story short, Chamberlain decides to resign.
Starting point is 00:30:26 There's a question about whether the new Prime Minister will be Lord Halifax. A very tall Foreign Secretary, isn't he? Not so warlike. Not so warlike, I think, would be a good way of describing him. Yeah. Or Churchill, who has made a terrible horlicks of Norway. But does love a war. He loves war.
Starting point is 00:30:43 And had forecast that Hitler had to be resisted. Exactly. And that evening, Neville Chamberlain goes to Buckingham Palace to resign, and he says to George the 6th, it's Churchill. Send for Churchill. Now, meanwhile, that very evening, while that is happening, on the outskirts of Berlin, a train which is called the America pulls out of a small isolated station
Starting point is 00:31:08 on the edge of the capital and it's heading west and this is Hitler's special armoured train and do you know what Gerring's train was called Asia Was it really called Asia? Yeah, Asia I guess Yeah, surely decorated with hunting trophies Yeah, apparently it was massively better decorated than Hitler's
Starting point is 00:31:26 You astound me with looted art And a gigantic buffet car Yeah, and a very luxurious toilet, I imagine. Yeah, and a whole wardrobe full of white suits. Exactly. Because actually, Goring had a model train. He loved model trains. Like, well, Disney.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Yeah. Wow. Well, I mean, not in every aspect, but on the model train enthusiasm front. Right, Gregie. Disney didn't command an Air Force. A beaten Air Force, no. Anyway, so there he is on the America, and his secretures think they're all going to Denmark to visit the troops.
Starting point is 00:32:00 And Hitler seems in tremendous form. He's very excited, clearly, and they think this is because he's going to be visiting the army in Denmark. But just after midnight around Hanover, the train switches from the northbound to the westbound tracks, kind of quietly. It switches, and they carry on rolling through the night. And the train grinds to a halt, and dawn is breaking, and they get out. There are no station signs, but actually they have arrived near the town of Eiskirchen, which is about 30 miles from the Belgian border. And here there are cars waiting to take them through the woods to the bunkers of the new Fuhrer headquarters, the Fielder Nest, the Rock Erie.
Starting point is 00:32:43 God, he did have ludicrously named headquarters, didn't he? I mean, he couldn't be more Bonneville if he tried. Very Bonneville. And they gather in front of Hitler's newly built bunker, which he's going to be sharing with his adjutant and with the head of the armed forces, Wilhelm Keitel. and far away through the woods they can hear the telltale thump of shellfire and Hitler looks around and he says to them gentlemen the offensive against the Western powers has begun
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Starting point is 00:35:46 Conditions apply, details online. Hello and welcome back to the rest of history. Dominic, we ended that first half with literal bombshells. Hitler has finally launched his attack on the West. And how have we got here? Because the last time the Nazis were invading places, it was in Scandinavia. Well, as we saw last time in the last episode, Hitler's always had this very clear idea that he wants to attack the West. He wants to launch a preemptive strike.
Starting point is 00:36:16 He's obsessed with a sense of urgency. He knows that his enemies have never been weaker because the Soviet Union is bogged down in Finland. The United States has got presidential elections and is very unlikely to intervene. So this is his chance. His priority is Britain. He never wanted war with Britain in 1939. The whole point of this is to get them to negotiate. So he's been thinking about this for weeks and months.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Even during the Norway campaign, he had been discussing this with Goebbels. So they'd had a long talk about this on the 21st of April in 1940. And Hitler said, you know, it's a shame in many ways we're fighting the British because they are our kind of racial cousins. But, you know, we knew that we'd have to do it at some point, probably in the next five years, so maybe it's better to do it now before the British are rearmed. The Goebbels wrote in his diary afterwards, the Fuhrer would make peace today. He doesn't want at all to annihilate England nor destroy its empire.
Starting point is 00:37:16 The condition, England out of Europe and our colleagues. is back to us, but that is only possible if it's already received a knockout blow. So it there is England? Yes. And the knockout blow is to beat France, what Goebbels calls, an act of historical justice against the French that will leave Britain friendless on the continent. So how are they going to do it? So if you look at the two sets of forces on paper, they're actually pretty well matched.
Starting point is 00:37:43 The French have more tanks. They have 3,000 tanks, the Germans 2,000. The French have much more artillery. The Germans have about 90 divisions, a division vary roughly, about 15,000 men. The French have got the same, and the British have got another 10 divisions, always much smaller on land, the British. But the Germans have got a couple of advantages. They've got slightly more fighters and bombers than the Allies do in the West, and they
Starting point is 00:38:10 have learned in Poland how they can use them, they can use them in cooperation with their ground troops to full effect, which the British and French have not learned how to do. That is true that they do have some battle-hardened troops. However, because everyone knows what is going to come, and because Nazi propaganda has been harping on the ruthless, invincible, mechanised nature of the German war machine, and so the success of the Nazi troops in the invasion of France will kind of retrospectively burnish that propaganda. I said in my brother's book, The War in the West, he talks about this potent-in quality of Nazi militarism. So actually, overall, the Allies do have more planes
Starting point is 00:38:57 between them than the Luftwaffe overall. And actually, the German troops, only half of all of them have had more than a few weeks training, more than a court at over 40. The artillery, the German artillery, is designed to be drawn by horses. And of the 135 divisions, that have been earmarked for the invasion of France. Of those, only 10 are panzer, and only six are fully mechanised. So the idea that the whole German army is kind of the cutting edge of modern fighting forces simply isn't true. I really hadn't properly appreciated that.
Starting point is 00:39:34 And I think it does kind of put the looming calamity for French and British arms into an even more sharper perspective, I think. They are not beaten by an overwhelmingly mechanised force. No, no, no, no, they're not at all. What I would say is the Germans do still win, though. So, I mean, we shouldn't go to the other extreme and suggest that they're completely useless. No, they're not. I mean, as we'll see, they have good tactics.
Starting point is 00:39:58 But I think it also reflects on the grotesque incompetence of the Allies in the test that is to come. Well, I mean, we've talked about how incompetent the Allies were in Norway. Their planning and their intelligence in the Western campaign and this campaign are unbelievably useless. They seem to have no sense of how quickly armoured divisions can move. The French are always fighting the last war. It's mad that in the First World War, they were fighting the Franco-Opressional or the Napoleonic Wars. And now they think they're fighting the First World War. So they're all geared up for kind of trenches and all of that kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:40:29 And it's as though tanks have not yet been invented. And actually, General Begon, who takes command of the French armies on the 25th of May, by which point it's obvious that France is completely defeated. He said, we've gone to war with a 1918 army against a German army of 1939, which in terms of equipment isn't true, but in terms of attitude is clearly the case. Yes, it is, absolutely. So let's get into a little bit of military strategy
Starting point is 00:40:52 because an absolutely key French failure and British failure, they completely fail to predict the Germans' line of attack. So, as we saw last time, Hitler wanted to attack straight away in the autumn in 1939, but because it was a lot of dithering and mainly because the weather, that was postponed. And that has given the Germans time to refine their plans. So people who listened to our First World War series
Starting point is 00:41:15 will have heard a lot about things like the Schlefen Plan and all the difficulties that the Germans faced in 1914. Their plan in 1939, 1914 was initially very similar. They would go through Belgium and Holland because they want to get around the Maginot Line, which are these forts the French were built to defend Alsace and Lorraine further south. The original German plan was to go through Belgium and Holland,
Starting point is 00:41:39 very First World War, we push the French back to the Somme, And then we kind of grind them down there. And when that plan was presented to Hitler, he didn't like it. He said, I just think this feels very 1914. It's very unoriginal. Yeah, I want something, I want a decisive, exciting, original, you know, stroke, speed and surprise. That's what I'm all about. Now, meanwhile, two other generals, Eric von Manstein and a Panzer Commander Heinz Quderian,
Starting point is 00:42:07 had been working on a rival plan. And this plan, they said, look, why don't we just pretend effectively to go through Belgium and Holland, the low countries. Why don't we concentrate our tanks a little bit further south and go through the Ardennes forest? Because it's the forest, everybody assumes it's kind of off limits and the French will leave it only lightly defended. And the high command of the army, the Wehrmacht,
Starting point is 00:42:32 thought this plan was deranged. And they basically sent Manstein to East Prussia to shut him up, to get rid of him. But one person who doesn't is Guderian. he two years before had written the most the most German army titled book of all time because its title was Actung Panzer exclamation mark that's sort of a British comic from the 1970s isn't it? It's such a great title and he's Hitler's kind of man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:00 Because he's all about speed, he's about the idea that you separate the panzers off from the much more cumbersome, slower-moving infantry divisions and the artillery with their horses and things. things, and you just go for broke, speed. So here's now a mad thing that happens, right? The High Command wants to go with their original plan, despite Hitler's misgivings. And then on the 10th of January, a Luftwaffe plane got lost in fog. It accidentally flies into Belgium, and it crashes in a field in Belgium.
Starting point is 00:43:29 And the passenger on the plane is called Major Reinhberger, and he is carrying the plan. And after the crash, the pilot and this bloke, Major Reimberg, were picked up by a Belgian border guards who took them to a sort of hut. Don't forget, Belgium is neutral at this stage. Major Reinhberger tried to destroy their plans by stuffing them into a stove when the Belgian border guards backs were turned. I think he madly burnt his hands in the process
Starting point is 00:43:56 trying to get the lid off the stove. Anyway, the border guards managed to get the plans back out of the stove. Major Reimberger at this point burst into tears and tried to shoot himself. Anyway, the upshot was the Allies say, oh, brilliant, we've got the German plan. So we know for sure they're going to come through Belgium and Holland, just as we thought. Brilliant.
Starting point is 00:44:14 We're laughing. So actually, it's like all those Allied plans to deceive the Germans about where D-Day Landing is going to happen. Yeah, it is. Only they haven't actually fabricated it in this case. Exactly. Now, in the meantime, the problem for the Allies, the Germans have changed their entire plan. Hitler never liked that blueprint anyway. He liked the idea of a surprise attack through the Ardennes as well.
Starting point is 00:44:36 And on the 17th of February, so a month after this crash, his agitlam. His adjutant invited Manstein to the Reich Chancellery. It actually said to him, come on, come and tell the fewer about this mad idea of yours. He'll love it. And Hitler doesn't like Manstein. Manstein's a very kind of cold, arrogant, Prussian aristocrats, the kind of person he's always distrustful of. But he listens to the plan. He says, I've been gagging to hear a plan like this.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Through the Ardennes, surprise attack, reckless. I love it. I love the sound of it. Let's go for it. Brilliant. So this becomes the blueprint for Falgelb, case yellow, the German operation in the West. Basically, there are two army groups. Army Group B is under Fedor von Bok.
Starting point is 00:45:17 How large is the other two army groups? So Army Group B is 29 divisions, Tom. So how many men is that? Well, it's 15,000 men. You can do the maths yourself. Could you? Yeah, but I just don't want to. I'd like to give you a bit of a workout.
Starting point is 00:45:33 So anyway, they've got 29 divisions, 15,000 men each. Listeners can do the math, they will go through Belgium and Holland. But this is a massive distraction exercise, because the real action is going to come further south with Gert von Rundstedt's Army Group A. And Army Group A has 44 divisions with loads of panzers and mechanized infantry, and they are going to sneak through the woods of the Ardennes, and then this is the plan. When they're across, they'll get to the river Murs, and they'll cross the Murs. But at that point, they won't carry on towards Paris.
Starting point is 00:46:06 as the Allies will expect, they will turn sharply to their right, in other words, turning north, and they will head up towards the coast of the English Channel in a kind of what's called a sickle-cut manoeuvre. And what that means is that all the allied French and British forces in Belgium will be trapped between the two German armies, and they'll be pinned against the sea. And so this is the Battle of Can I, you know, the great victory, that Hannibal won over the Romans. which have haunted, haunted the German military planning. And so in a sense, although this seems tactically radical, strategically, it is what the Germans, is what they always come up with.
Starting point is 00:46:49 And so that being so, you would think the French would have realized it. I mean, it's just so mind-blowingly incompetent that they haven't sussed this out. I'll make two observations. Number one is, I don't think there's ever been a battle on the rest of its history that you haven't likened to the Battle of Can I? So that's the first point. Listen, it's not me who's doing it. It's the German High Command.
Starting point is 00:47:07 They are always doing it. They always want to fight the Battle of Can I. And secondly, the reason I think the French have not anticipated this, and nobody has anticipated this, is because this is not an operation that would have been possible in the First World War when you moved so much more slowly. It's only really possible because your panzers are game changers. They can move so quickly.
Starting point is 00:47:27 They can punch through an enemy line and get around you before you even know it. But Guderian, who they know is in command, has written up this in Akhtung Panzer. So why haven't they read it? It's hopeless. They haven't done your level of research, or your brother's level of research, I should say. Clearly.
Starting point is 00:47:45 I mean, tell me you, look actually personally aggrieved that the French haven't been doing the reading. Well, reading the War in the West, my brother's book, and listening to episodes on this in We Have Ways, his podcast, I am left, you know, kind of stupefied by how hopeless the French are on this. And, you know, the British complicit in as well.
Starting point is 00:48:04 because they're not pointing it out either. No, it's poor from the British. All right, so the date of the invasion was set for the early hours at Friday, the 10th of May, as we've seen. When the news broke in Berlin, the mood in Germany was very glum. So in his diary, the American journalist,
Starting point is 00:48:18 William Lschirer, notes there's no crowds on the streets and the people that he meets seem sunk in depression because they think they're going to lose, you see? Now, Hitler, it is rock-eary, the fell as a nest. He is very calm and confident. And he says to his entourage,
Starting point is 00:48:34 I think we'll beat France in six weeks. And then we'll find the British coming to talk to us because they want to save their empire. So he's right about one of those prophecies and wrong about the second. Right. And actually, as the first reports kind of come into the Rock Erie, his optimism seems very well founded. So to begin with the low countries, at half four that morning, the German paratroopers and special forces had begun their operation.
Starting point is 00:48:59 They'd been dropped by gliders and things. They'd seized the key bridges and forts on the German and Dutch borders. By mid-morning, so within hours, the Dutch are falling back to the north, and the German tanks are rolling through the fields of Holland. And the Dutch have no tanks, but they do have people on bicycles. They do, but they're not very useful, as we will find out. Now, the Allies have responded to this very sluggishly. The French had heard rumors of a murmuring in the German lines a couple of days before,
Starting point is 00:49:27 but their commander said, well, there's always murmuring from the Germans. It's probably a false alarm. The Allied commander in chief is a Frenchman, of course, because the French by far the biggest troop contingent. He is General Maurice Gamalach. And he's a very, I think he's a very likable man in anyways, Gamalin. He's kind of jaunty and jolly. He loves art. He loves philosophy.
Starting point is 00:49:49 He had been the protege of our old friend, General Jophe, from 1914. Oh, yes. Loves a long lunch. Yeah. Long lunching. And imperturbable, isn't he? and imperturbable, right? And Gamalan has completely cut from the same cloth.
Starting point is 00:50:06 He says, listen, what I've learned from Joff is you never lose your call. Things will probably be fine. Don't overthink anything. You know, it'll be a long war. Let's not stress about it. The Germans attack, we shall advance calmly into Belgium to meet them. Of course, he doesn't know they're not going to come really through Belgium. So right from the start, the Allies are walking into the Germans trap,
Starting point is 00:50:29 just as Manstein and Hitler had dreamed. Within four and a half days, the Germans have wiped the floor with the Dutch. The climax coming on the 14th when the Luftwaffe bombed Rotterdam and they destroyed the old city of Rotterdam, a massive story at the time. Yeah, apparently this was a mistake. Yeah. Because the Dutch had already begun negotiating their surrender. That's right.
Starting point is 00:50:48 And so the orders went out to the bombers, you know, don't do it. But it was too late. The bombers had already left. And so they, you know, as they say, they obliterate it. And actually, I mean, it works incredibly well for the Nazis, doesn't it? Because it, again, it compounds this sense that there can be no opposition, that they are lethal. And they have the stucas, they kind of have a siren, don't they? So that when they drop, this terrifying kind of scream.
Starting point is 00:51:13 And the whole thing is just, you know, this sense that there is no resisting the Nazi war machine. Exactly. Even though, you know, it is quite an element of smoke and mirrors about it. Well, in the case of Rotterdam, a lot of smoke. Well, if you think the evasion starts on the 10th of May and what it must have been like to live through the next couple of weeks, even if you're just following events in the newspapers, the sense of growing inevitability, of relentlessness and speed about the German advance.
Starting point is 00:51:39 So the Dutch surrender, four and a half days, the Queen Villalmina and her ministers escaped to London to become a government in exile. The Belgians held out for 18 days, but they too were overwhelmed by sheer weight of numbers and firepower. Interestingly, the Belgian king did not flee his country. He had taken personal command of the army and he said, I don't want to desert them, I should stay.
Starting point is 00:52:03 So he stays in Brussels. He becomes a prisoner of the Germans, and he was painted by the Allied press as a traitor. The Mirror, Daily Mirror, ran the headline about him. I think a headline that no man wishes to read about himself, the face that every woman now despises. What's the basis for that contempt? I mean, it seems courageous that a commander-in-chief should stand. He was seen as a collaborator, and actually the Belgians got rid of him after the war. they saw him as tainted because he had not made the gestures of moral defiance, I guess,
Starting point is 00:52:33 that King Christian had done in Denmark. Right, I see. Okay. I think King Leopold had taken a very different approach. Right. So within three weeks, both Holland and Belgium are under German military occupation where they will remain for the next five years. But of course, this isn't where the main action is happening.
Starting point is 00:52:49 This really is smoke and mirrors because the real action for the Germans is happening further south than the Arden Forest. And here, you wanted numbers, Tom. Now, secretly, while I was talking, I was doing the map. So here, General von Klaist, because I'm multitasking, he's leading 134,000 soldiers, 1,200 tanks and 500 armored vehicles through the kind of narrow roads that lead through the Ardennes forest. And this means surely that they are now sitting ducks if the French Air Force attacks them. Totally.
Starting point is 00:53:23 Because there are only very few roads, they're quite narrow, long tailbacks. You know where they are? send the French planes in, but the French don't. Yeah. It's very like when, you know, when Putin attacked Ukraine, that huge traffic jam, as they were outside Kiev of kind of Russian tanks or whatever, it's the same story. The Germans said at the time, it's the longest traffic jam in history, is four columns, hundreds of miles long.
Starting point is 00:53:45 There's tanks, yes, and there's armoured cars, but there are wagons and there are horses and there are, you know, lines of troops. Because if the French Air Force had gone in, the war would have been over. But they didn't. And the Germans know it, right? So the Germans are in a great hurry. They are told you can't stop for three days, and they're issued with amphetamines to keep going.
Starting point is 00:54:03 You just have to keep going for three days. Can't stop. But after three days, on the afternoon in the 12th of May, they have reached the river Murs, their objective, without having been destroyed from above by the French. Now, when they get to the river, this is a crucial moment. If the French can hold them back at the river, then the sickle-cut scheme will have failed. But we said before, the Germans are much better than. are using air power in tandem with ground troops
Starting point is 00:54:31 because the Germans have learned how to do it in Poland. The next day, General von Klaist calls up a thousand planes and they pound the French positions. For the French, who of course have not been through the experience of the war in Poland, this is a colossal shock. It's the first time they've come under air attack. And there are all these stories about their troops sort of cowering in their trenches, sobbing, traumatized, you know, their morale.
Starting point is 00:54:57 ripped to pieces. And so by the evening of the 13th, so remember, we're just three or four days into the invasion, the Germans are already crossing the river on rubber dinghies, they're putting together pontoon bridges, the panzers are getting across. They're still quite vulnerable.
Starting point is 00:55:12 You know, they're still vulnerable to a counterattack, but the amazing thing the French are still so complacent. The commander of their second army was General Charles Antiguerre. And General Antiguerre is told the Germans are getting across the river Murs, and he says,
Starting point is 00:55:27 brilliant. All the more prisoners for us. And presumably General Gamalais is emulating General Joffre and just sitting around having huge lunches and munching on chickens and things. I think there is an element of that. We'll have some amusing French military action of this kind, a bit with an omelette, which is good for them. So the next couple of days, things go from bad to worse for the French. They finally decide to launch a counterattack on the MERS, but it's half-hearted. They don't dislodge the Germans. They take very heavy losses.
Starting point is 00:55:57 And unlike in 1914, their nerve begins to break quite early on. So that night, the 14th, there were reports of French troops streaming westwards in a panic, shouting, we've lost, we've been betrayed and so on. And at their headquarters, their commanders are just completely stunned. They didn't expect the Germans to come through the Ardenne, and they didn't expect them to come in such speed or in such numbers. They didn't expect them to get across the river Meuse. and now they make another catastrophic mistake. They think, now the Germans have got across the MERS, they will head towards Paris. But they won't.
Starting point is 00:56:33 They're going to turn sharp right at this point, turn north, and race for the channel. This is the sickle-cut element of the plan, which will leave the Allied armies trapped. And what is worse? As the French and the British are trying to react, Eastern France has descended into complete chaos, because remembering what happened in the First World War, and having read the reports of what happened in Poland, millions, literally millions of civilians say, God, I've got to get out of here.
Starting point is 00:57:03 And they take to the streets. So by this point, we're feeling to kind of mid-May, 1940, there were probably about eight million people on the roads of France with their possessions with wagons, with bicycles, with livestock, you know, crying babies, all of that. And that makes it impossible for the French to move their armies around, you know, their communications networks are kind of breaking down, all of this. And then the Stuccas start dive bombing the crowds of refugees. So more terror. Total carnage. You know, a sense that these are just implacable opponents who can't be defeated. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Now, remember how quickly this has happened. Invasion began in the early hours of the 10th of May. On the 15th of May, so five days later at 7.30 in the morning, Winston Churchill, who's only, been Prime Minister for five days, is woken up at home by a phone call from Paul Reno. And Rayno speaks to him in English, and Rayno says, we have been defeated. And Churchill doesn't say anything. And Rayno says again, we are beaten. We have lost the battle. Churchill, surely it can't have happened so soon, but he replied, the front is broken near Sedon. Cedon is exactly where they'd lost the Franco-Prussian war in 1870. So the next afternoon, 16th, Churchill
Starting point is 00:58:20 flies to Paris, and he is shocked when he gets there. They are burning their archives already there, preparing to evacuate the city. Utter dejection was written on every face. And General Gamelan is there. Gamelan says, not only have we taken this defeat at Sedan, but we have actually fallen back a further 60 kilometres. The Germans have come 60 kilometres since we last spoke. Churchill says this very famous exchange,
Starting point is 00:58:45 Where is your strategic reserve? And Gamelan says, Ogun, there isn't any. Churchill, why don't you counterattack? And then Gamalin gives a hopeless shrug of the shoulders and says to him, inferiority of numbers, inferiority of equipment, inferiority of method. Gamalans clearly got to go. I mean, the third of those is definitely right.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Yeah. But the first two, at the beginning of the war, we're not right, yeah. So three days later, on the 19th, Rayno sacked Gamalat, and he replaced him with General Vagant, Maxim Vagin, who is a very very, Veteran of the First World War, who was 73 and who has been retired for the last five years. Does he, by any chance, have emphysema? It's not the First World War anymore, so maybe not. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:59:32 Vagant, he's got all these schemes for a great counterattack, a French counterattack. But by now, I think the Allies are in such chaos that any counterattack is going to be very, very difficult. The Germans, meanwhile, are rolling on. They cannot believe how well this is going. I mean, even in their wildest dreams, Manstein and Guderian could not have imagined the allies would fall apart so quickly. And a famous name in command of one of the Panzer divisions, Erwin Rommel. Yeah, Irwin Rommel, who will be featuring in due course later on in this story. Yes.
Starting point is 01:00:05 So on the night of the 19th, you began, Tom, this episode with Churchill broadcasting for the first time to the British people after nine days as Prime Minister. That night, the first panzers reached the mouth of the River Somme on the channel. And by the following note, they'd established themselves on the Channel Coast properly. So at this point, the sickle cut has been carried off. The entire Allied force in Belgium, that's three French armies. It's the shattered remains of the Belgian army and the entire British expeditionary force. They are all encircled and surrounded, trapped against the sea, in this shrinking pocket. And now, you know, if the French and British commanders were in a bit of a state before,
Starting point is 01:00:46 are in an absolute world-class funk. That's the word. Yeah, it is the word. The French commander in Belgium is General Gaston-Hourri-Bilotte. When he was told, you need to coordinate the Allied response to all this, he burst into tears, which I don't think is ever a good sign in your commanding officer. That's not what you want. On the 20th of May, so that's the day the Allies are definitively cut off. The British sent the chief of their Imperial General Staffs, Edmund Ironside, to launch.
Starting point is 01:01:12 That is a great name. Yeah, you've got to be called that. Good for him. So General Ironside is sent to launch to see Billot to find out what's going on. And Ironside said later, I found him in a state of complete depression. No plan, no thought of a plan, ready to be slaughtered. I lost my temper and shook Bilot by the button of his tunic. The man is completely beaten.
Starting point is 01:01:35 So the next day, I promised you an omelette, the next day is the 21st of May. General Vagin, a new French Supreme Commander, decided to visit Bilot personally to steady his nerve. and he flew to a place called Betune on the Franco-Belgian border. Vagon got there. He finds the airfield completely deserted. There's just a single soldier. And Vagon has to persuade the soldier to give him a lift to the local post office. And there he finally managed to ring Bilot and said, send a car.
Starting point is 01:02:02 Like, I'm General Vagong. I'm the Supreme Commander. Send a car and get me. A car arrived. Vagong got in the car and he said, I need lunch. Like, let's go and have omelets. He went for an omelet. Then he went and met Bilot at Ypres Town Hall.
Starting point is 01:02:17 I mean, talk about a place with a lot of history. And Vagon said, come on, we've got a counterattack. Like, we've got to break out, counterattack, whatever. Belot said fine. Bilot drove off. His car immediately got involved in a massive car crash. Bilot was badly injured, fell into a coma. Two days later, he died.
Starting point is 01:02:34 And that was the end of him. Do you know what, the British Expeditionary Forces, Chief of Staff, Sir Henry Pownall, or he mourned General Billot. What did he say? He said, frankly, he's no loss. I mean, it's harsh, but it's not inaccurate. Yeah. So, Hitler's attack has been unfolding now.
Starting point is 01:02:50 Less than two weeks. Insane. So actually, it's going better than Hitler had said. Than even Hitler had said. Because he'd prophesied it would take six weeks, right? And already by two weeks, it's clear he's won. He's been going on for like 11 days or something. And it's pretty clear that the Allies have collapsed, exactly.
Starting point is 01:03:06 The amazing thing, I mean, he's this man who has gambled, gambled again and again, each one bigger and more ambitious and more reckless than the last and this one is going to work out better than any of them. The Allies have completely fallen apart. Their commanders aren't speaking to each other. Rayneau and his ministers are preparing to flee Paris.
Starting point is 01:03:25 Surely France is beaten. The entire British expeditionary force 400,000 men are trapped in this pocket against the channel. The panzers are closing in on the channel ports of Boulogne, Kale and Dunker. Surely within days, Hitler's tanks will finish the job and then Britain will be forced to sue for peace.
Starting point is 01:03:49 Or Dominic, will Britain be forced to sue for peace? We will find out in our next two episodes to come on this series, The Miracle of Dunkirk, the fall of France, the Battle of Britain and in the long run, Hitler's decision to turn on the Soviet Union and members of the rest of history, Club can hear the next two episodes right now. And if you want to join them, go to the rest ishistory.com. But for now, thank you for listening. Thank you, Dominic. And au revoir. Avoire. Throughout time, celebration has meant giving. So the Romans at Saturnalia, handed out all kinds of gifts. The three magi handed out gold, frankincense and myrrh, and the Victorians absolutely loved wrapping things up in paper and then tying it up in string.
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Starting point is 01:05:43 more time with you. So just head to the rest ishistory.com and click on gifts. That is the restishistory.com and please click on gifts. Hello there. I'm William Drimple. I am one of the hosts of Empire, the global history podcast from Gollhanger. You may remember my appearances. on The Rest is History, when we talked about Afghanistan and the East India Company. As the Ashes returned down under, Anita and I have launched a brand new empire series on the history, politics, and extraordinary cultural power of cricket. In the first episode, we dig into the origin of the ashes, England versus Australia,
Starting point is 01:06:25 a rivalry born in the age of empires, and still shaping identity on both sides of the world. Then we travelled to India, where cricket began with an impromptu beach match, and evolved into a sport that mirrored and sometimes magnified the country's communal divides. We also talk about the great Tiger Borti who revolutionised Indian cricket in the 1960s. And for members of the Empire Club, we go still further from the great West Indian players who stood up to racism to the South African cricketers who challenged apartheid at real personal risk. If you want the full sweep of how cricket changed empires and how empires change cricket, just search for Empire wherever you get your podcasts.
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