The Rewatchables - ‘13 Going on 30’ With Bill Simmons and Juliet Litman

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

Bill and Juliet just want to be thirty, flirty, and thriving after revisiting the 2004 classic ‘13 Going on 30’ starring Jennifer Garner, Mark Ruffalo, and Judy Greer. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic 2026 Mazda CX-50. Designed for Safety. MazdaUSA.com Find Angry Orchard in a store near you, or visit angryorchard.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And we're having a lot of fun. Used to be Bachelor Party. It was Bachelor Party forever. Going way back. Now it's Reality Hangover. Anyway, you've brought this movie up to me a bunch of times. And now we're going to do it. 13 going on 30 is next.

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You love this movie. I mainly love Jennifer Garner. She is like the second person in Hollywood I would take a bullet for. She is so important to me and I'm just delighted to be talking about her with this movie. Thanks for having me. Who's the first person? Sandra Bullock, of course. So I would take a bullet for you rankings and Sandra Bullock one, Garner 2?

Yes. Am I in the top 10? I'm going to put you at. Number four. Carrie Russell is number three. And then we get it to you. Carrie Russell. Yeah.

Absolutely. Jennifer Garner said recently about this movie, 13 going on 30. We were so little when we shot that movie. I mean, she was like 32. I don't know what she's saying there. But the entire movie, I feel like,

is just re-centered in the zeitgeist over the past couple years. I've seen both Judy Greer and Mark Ruffalo recently. And we talk about it every time we see each other. Like, are you hearing more about 30 going on 30 than when it came out all those? years ago and the answer is yes. It's weird when this happens, but it

definitely 100% happened with this movie. For sure. I think there's a few reasons. Usually, you know, in this era, one of the answers is always TikTok and I do think that contributes here. When I was prepping for the pot, I was like, let's see what people are saying about this movie over there. And there's a lot of

like 30-ish-year-old moms and their teenage daughters doing Halloween costumes together where one is young Jenna and then there's adult Jenna. So I think this has very firmly become a family movie that is intergenerational and, you know, people can watch it together. So I think there's part of that. I think also Jennifer Garner and Mark Ruffalo, like both, you know, kind of had a big moment with this movie. And then they're both sort of back for various reasons. And Jennifer Garner is ubiquitous, not just for being an actress, though. And I'd love to discuss

that with you. Because her career is so fascinating. And so I think there's just a lot of entry points for this movie. And in rewatching it, I was actually just like really taken by how family-friendly it is. And there's not really anything that, like, your 10-year-old can't really see. Maybe some stuff they wouldn't get, but it would all be, like, above board. So people can just gather around this movie and watch it together. And then there's a bunch of iconic things from it, like the fashion, the hairstyles, a few lines. Like, there's many things that have transcended the movie that I think also can grab you. Great timing. 04, right as she's about to date, start dating Affleck, which we can talk about. She's on

alias, which is a hit show. And she kind of needed that one movie to push her into the zeitgeist a little bit more, which is what happened with this. I remember there was, it was such an unabashed big rip-off, which is funny, the writers were like, oh, no,

we were influenced by a lot of movies. Like, no, this movie's big. But it was such, like, it was like critically, I wouldn't say beloved.

But I think as the years passed, and I watched it in my family, because my daughter was born a year after this movie. And my wife and daughter, I absolutely love this movie. And so people are wondering, like, why is this on the rewatchables? It's like, this has been on in my house for 20 years. Definitely.

You know, and I get sucked in, I get sucked out. There's a lot of fun parts. But for the most part, just a really happy movie. Yes, definitely. It's just a fun hang. Even when we hit the part where it's like going to, you know, every rom-com at about like the one hour, 10-minute mark, something has to happen where we have to play the sad music. And in this case, the sad music is Vienna.

by Billy Joel. It's like one of the best scenes in the movie. And I think Vienna is another big piece of this movie. Yeah. And I have a lot of Vienna thoughts later, but that became a big part of why this movie I felt like just had a second, third, fourth life. But now you have people like my daughter,

who's now in our 20s, who loves this movie. And then when she has kids, if she has kids, I assume she will, she will pass this movie down to her. And I just feel like that's what's going to happen now for the next 50 years. Definitely. And in nine years, Zoe will watch this movie when she's turning 30 and be like,

it all comes together. And it's funny to watch it as a young person and then come back to it like in 30 or older. And Jennifer Garner's performance of, you know, she's, I think you said, she was 31, I think when she filmed it. And a 31 year old playing a 13 year old is like a very funny thing to consider. And she does it so well. But I think that's another reason why it's so popular is like 30 and flirty and thriving is something people have been saying since 2004.

And when you turn 30, you want to watch the movie to remember why she says that. And it's very fun. Yeah, we should talk. Well, let's talk body switch movies first. Then we'll talk Jennifer Garner. Okay. It's crazy. We've made so many of these.

This is a premise that can exist in real life. And there's probably been 50 of these made. They get made all the time. When Big came out, there were like three other versions of Big that were out. And they're all competing with each other in the body switch space. And then when this came out, it was right after Freaky Friday had come out. And it just feels like we keep going in waves with this person's now in this person's body, which is an absurd premise.

This would never happen. Yeah. It can't hold up to logic. And yet people keep returning to it. Like when Jenna goes back at the end of the movie and she remembers everything that happens, she then has to live like her second life with the memories of what happened in her first life. Like that makes no sense. And how do you remember everything?

Do you learn from the experience? Craig, what body switch? Who would you want a body switch with if you had to body switch with anybody? Would it be Chris Collinsworth? I'm going to go Steph Curry. But Collinsworth is top five, probably. Steph Curry. So you're just switching bodies with Steph Curry, just murdering the 22 Celtics.

Yeah. And then learning some lessons. Yeah, exactly. Learning some lessons after. I ranked body switch movies. Okay. But I really did the comedies because if it's not comedies, then you get into like, there's a whole bunch of, there's been horror movies, science fiction stuff.

So I'm ruling out face off. Okay. I'm ruling out freaky, which I actually really liked with Vince Vaughn in 2020. And movies like Kevin Can Wait and Down to Earth, these are just the pure sitcom-y, almost like comedies, switch things. I'm also ruling out a movie I never heard of when I was researching this, nine lives in 2016. It's vaguely familiar, yeah. Kevin Spacey,

dad of a family, becomes trapped in the body of his family cat, Mr. Fuzzy Pants? I don't remember that one. Is that the version of Hollywood jail that Kevin Spacey was sent to? Maybe he was trying to tell us something. And then another movie that I think I blocked out of my mind,

2015, the cobbler, Adam Sandler walks in people's shoes. And that's right. You've heard of that. Yeah. I think that one kind of, everyone thinks the Sandman, who I love, has just been batting a thousand,

and he just hasn't. There's been a couple whiffs, and that was definitely one of them. All right. On a scale of one to 10. So I'm going to rank, I'm going to build to number 10. All right.

Number one, one out of 10, the hot chick in 2002. Rob Schneider, switching bodies with Rachel McAdams. I can't believe she hasn't made enough money yet to just destroy all copies of this. Maybe, maybe she needs to,

What was the one, the notebook? The notebook with Ryan Gosseling, her finest, maybe second finest movie? Maybe she needs to do notebook two on Netflix or Amazon. Take all the money and destroy things of the hot chicks. That's one out of ten. Two out of ten. Dream a little dream with the Corrie's. Corey Hayman and Corey Feldman.

Nice. This was the rare four-person body switch. It was a teenage couple switching bodies with an older couple. Really bad, but someone made a sequel. Three out of ten, there's a whole bunch of father-son versions of this, which never really worked, including 17 again with Matthew Perry and Zach Ephron. Interesting set that was, by the way. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Like father, like son in 1987, Kurt Cameron and Dudley Moore. How would those two be related? That's crazy. And then vice versa in 1988 with Judge Reinhold and Fred Savage is probably the best of the three. Anyway, that's three out of ten. Four out of ten, the change up with Ryan Reynolds and. Jason Babe in 2009. Both of them were kind of like we can be

in a movie poster, but none of them were having success with movies yet. And this is not a very good movie. Five out of ten, now we're moving into the Juliet Stratosphere here. Prelude to a kiss. Meg Ryan Alck Baldwin. What are your thoughts on this? It was like the latter days of Meg's arc, and it sort of felt like

a favor that she did it. But I enjoyed it. I mean, everything in that, everything from the Pixie Cup forward is sort of a different era for her. but it's good. It's good. She didn't go to the NBA finals with this one, but she definitely made the playoffs

and has good stats, but it is not a round two movie. Yeah, it's okay. Six out of ten, all of me was Steve Martin and Lily Tomlin. This is just during the Steve Martin run of like really solid comedies he was making in the 80s.

I love Lily Tomlin, so I'm in. Seven out of ten. Freaky Friday. Not 1976 Freaky Friday, which is a weird movie, which I saw in the theater with my mom. 2003,

Lindsay Lohan, Jamie Lee Curtis. This is a rock solid movie. It's a great movie. It's a classic for me. Lindsay Lohan's fantastic in it. Also, I remember going on like,

Caza and downloading the songs that she sang in it. Like, I wanted the music from the movie. It's legitimately really good. I understand why they did the sequel, like last year. So Freaky Friday,

she had the movie where she played the twins. Parent Trap. Parent Trap. Yeah. And then she had mean girls all in the span of two years and was probably like,

minus 130 to win an Oscar at one point on Fandall, which didn't exist back then. But that was the peak. Unbelievable. The year from Freaky Friday to Mean Girls followed by her music, the song, Rumors,

it was just like such an amazing run of like this person cannot miss. And then she missed a lot. But that's okay. We'll always have that one year. It's okay. It's okay to make mistakes. But yeah,

she was really going for it. Eight out of ten, I have 13 going on 30. Nine out of 10 being John Malcovich. And then 10 out of 10 big. That's a nice wrinkle in there. Yeah. And it's, I really wasn't sure if that should even be included.

But I think it should be because it is, it's basically the really smart. Yeah. Highbrow version of one of these movies. So, but I think Big's the best one ever. You agree with that? Oh, I think it's like, it's like the icon and everything else feels derivative from it. I mean, 13 going on 30 admitted to it in various ways, like in all the press and everything. But yeah, it's like.

She's eating the shrimp at the party, throws the thing. Like that's in there. Definitely. When she wakes up, doesn't know where she is, touches her boobs. He like looks down in his pants. The other thing with this movie, it's the tail end of the rom-com boom. And either you or Wesley are one of the two best people on the planet to talk about this. But we have this, the Meg Ryan, Julia Roberts fueled boom.

And we're just making them for 10 straight years. O-4 gave us 51st dates, along came Polly, Mean Girls. and 13-0-9-30, plus Garden State before sunset and the notebook. It's crazy. So many good movies. And we kind of ran out of ideas right around here for the rom-coms.

And I also think we might have, we had this incredible Hall of Fame class of Reese Witherspoon, Sandra Bullock, all like these kind of the class right after Meg Ryan, Jennifer Garner's in there, Drew Barrymore, made a bunch of them. And we never really replenished the roster No.

And that was kind of it. We had some people we were counting on. I think Rachel McAdams would have been a good one. But the next class just couldn't do it. And for whatever reason, Rachel McAdams,

like, she was never, like, the lead. I love Morning Glory. Have you seen Morning Glory lately? Yeah, you've tried to fish hook me with it a bunch of times. That's like her movie, but all of her other great rom-coms, she's like 50% of the equation at most.

Like, Wedding Crashers is probably, her best comedy movie. And she's like the number three person in that at most. And like, you know, it just sort of feels like it never really took off for her in the right way. And I actually think it's sort of similar to Jennifer Garner. Like, I think Jennifer Garner almost came like

a tad too late for the rom-com boom. Like, if she had had Sweet Home, like, Alabama two years earlier, like Reese, I think we would think about her differently. But she was, you know, a TV actress. And so as a result, like her rom-com moment sort of stands alone almost were like it could have been it could have been more if the timing was slightly different. And by 2005, like just what I think like a new set of like teens kind of take over like to the Lindsay Loham point.

Like it's like her and like Hillary Duff and like this first generation or this next generation of Disney stars starts kind of like going younger. Amanda Bines. Honestly, some of them weren't ready. Some of them couldn't handle it. The spotlight was too bright. Exactly. And so it ended up being like these family movies for her instead of like what we consider like

these canonical rom-coms, essentially. And, of course, the Jed Appetow era starts set in and all that. So I was going to say that. I think that was the other thing that happened is the traditional rom-com, which just exists. You just know what it is for 15 years from when Harry Metzawi. Yeah. All the way through basically to 2005, a lot like Love, one of my wife's favorite movies. That's kind of the end line.

Sure. The Apatow generation's coming in. They're taking a lot of the rom-com stuff, but then they're also, bringing the R-rated comment in it and they kind of blend it. Yeah. And that, I felt like kind of killed rom-coms a little bit because then the rom-coms were trying to be more like the Apatau movies. Like the change-ups a good example.

That's a pretty raunchy movie. Yeah, definitely. I think they also just tried to get a little too high concept. Like, I always think about the breakup, which is a movie I really don't like. But that was like a depressing movie disguised as a rom-com because in the moment, like, Vince Vaughn had so much juice. And I think that sort of like men just took over comedy where it used to be a little bit more like skewing towards women and more of like family-centric.

But like I think about old school in 2003 just before this as also just like a major turning point because it was so popular. Same with Anchorman. Like those were like when I was, you know, 18. Those were like the biggest movies. And there was like kind of like no time for rom-coms in the same breath. And like you could only really focus on one. And it was just like, I think Christina Applegate is like an amazing comedic actress.

But you know, she's again like third most famous first. Yeah, but she could have made a bunch of rom-coms, right? Well, she did. They weren't as popular. Good ones. Yeah. Yeah, there's also these meta-rom-coms that come turn of the decade, you know, where like the one Timberlake made, the one Ashton Coochard made, like those ones,

friends with benefits, those kind of ones where they're winking to the ones from the past because they know they're basically ripping them off. Totally. They're just not as good. Five-year engagement, I think, is probably the best of that group. and I wouldn't even put it in the class of some of these. It's kind of a sad movie. You're just like, why are you guys still engaged?

Right. I feel like also winter is bad for rom-coms and there's the point in the five-year engagement where it's like really cold in Ann Arbor and you're just like, why are they there? Like give us like a beautiful city vista. Yeah. He's just like his confidence has been ruined.

Yeah. So they were trying to take them to the next level and that's one of the things with this movie. This movie is 97 minutes. Amazing length. It's fucking happy for 92 of them. Yes. We're outside. We're in New York.

New York's never looked better. She's happy the entire time. Ruffalo looks great. Everybody looks great. Yeah. This is just what would this is the model of how to do this. Absolutely. Also, I was thinking a lot about like why this movie would never be made now.

And like the exposition scenes of this movie, like in the beginning when she's in Mark Ruffalo's apartment and she's like trying to figure out what happened. It's like a very artistic scene. Like we can talk about more when we get into the categories. But like there's so much craft. in this tightly made 97-minute movie that there's not a lot of wasted time. There's not a lot of downtime to check your phone or whatever.

It's very tight. And I also think that everyone has a lane. It feels familiar, but each performance is pretty strong. So you feel like there's like new life in it. So I was thinking the wishing dust that they have in this, whatever, that pops out of the dream house. Sure. Zoltar

and then One Wish Willow from Obsession Those are the three versions of the same thing This mystical I do have some nitpicks about the house But the premise of how they get into this

It's like okay She's in the closet There was some magic fairy dust And she was wishing All right Talk me into this All right Jennifer Garner let's go

Jennifer Garner She's 31 when she makes this movie She looks Lights out fantastic It's the most likable charismatic she's ever been in a movie, I think. Perfect role for her. I can't really imagine anybody else in it. And it's a little like the Tom Hanks and Big where there's an innocence with her.

There's a sexiness to her, but it also makes sense that she's not comfortable in her own body. And she just kind of nails it. And she's just a great hang for 97 minutes. It's great. I have one alt that I wanted to suggest for you, which is Cameron Diaz. is she too pretty for this? Is she too, like, everyone knows who she is? But the reason I think that is,

I think Cameron Diaz is one of our great. She definitely could have done this from a physicality standpoint. Exactly. The physical comedian aspect of it that when she first wakes up in the apartment, I was like, this is so Cameron Diaz, like she must have, like, watched her or something. Right.

But she doesn't have the same sort of innocence that Jennifer Garner is able to bring. And, like, I think that's been key to Jennifer Garner's career. But that's the only other person I was thinking of throughout this movie. But here's the thing. If this came out in 2004 with Cameron Diaz, I already have spent 10 years of movies with Cameron Diaz. There's no discovery with her.

One of the great things about this movie, Jennifer Garner, is unless you watch Aalias, you didn't really have a history with her, you know? Totally. Pretty Woman was the same thing with Julia Roberts. Sandra Bollick, same thing in speed, where I don't have any baggage of other movie roles with them.

And I'm just like, this is the movie. We're like, oh, I'm kind of falling for you as I watch this movie because I don't really know you from any other things. I didn't watch Aliya. Did you ever watch Felicity? Didn't watch Felicity. That was her first major role.

As a Felicity obsessive, I feel a lot of ownership over Jennifer Garner, which I'm not entitled to. She's only in it for a couple episodes, though, right? She's in it for three. She's in it in the first season for two, and then she comes back at the very end for a third. She met her first husband, Scott Foley, on the set,

when she was in season one. So it's sort of like part of the lore. But then I was obsessed with Catch Me If You Can when it came out, and she has a great cameo in that. So, you know, I personally brought a lot of baggage of Jennifer Garner to the movie. It was like so happy for her to get this role.

Is this the first time you really saw her, though? It must have been. Yeah, I was looking back at the IMDB. She basically lost her entire 20s to bad shows and movies and things that almost made it but didn't. Like she was in a show in 1998 called Significant Others on Fox. Right. And it was about a bunch of 20-somethings that live in L.A.

and their friends. and I actually probably would have watched that show. I like shows like that. I don't even remember it. Maybe I watched it and don't even remember it. So that show bombed, that lasted five episodes. Then she was Jennifer Love Hewitt's best friend in Tommy, her life on Fox, where they spun Jennifer Love Hewitt off.

She moves to New York to find her birth mother. Yes. And I actually did watch a couple episodes of that show because I like Jennifer Loaf Hewitt. And we both love Party of Five. And we loved Party of Five. I've had to support the franchise. But that show somehow lasted 18 episodes. I don't remember any of them.

It's crazy. I think I watched all 18, but I might be the only person. Felicity three episodes. And then in 01, alias finally happens. But she was coiling away there for eight years. Like she was a hostess at a New York City restaurant at one point. There's a famous story where she babysat for Stephen Colbert's kids. It's crazy.

So she bounced around a little bit from an IMDB standpoint. Alias happened. When we launched Jimmy Kimmel's show, it's so funny to think of back to this, but the first year of Jimmy Kimmel's show, he's on ABC, ALEAS is taking off on ABC, and he did this whole running bit about how he was in love with Jennifer Garner. And she came on, and he did this whole, like he was like a schoolboy who had a crush on her, like an ABC crush.

And that's how long ago that she hit. But Aalius was the thing. Oh, big time. It started in, oh, wow. one. There's like a lot of stories about how JJ Abrams would go between the Felicity set and the alias set. They're right next to each other. Yeah. Same lot. And she then did that for five seasons. One of my favorite things about Jennifer Garner is like she stays close with with co-workers,

co-stars. Yeah, you always judge that. You like when the celebrities don't stay close with the coworkers, you notice. Julia Police is weighing in with reports. Absolutely. And she is one of the reasons I love her. She's, I think, Victor Garber, I think, officiated her wedding with Ben Affleck. They're still really close. She was recently at Mark Ruffalo's Hollywood Walk of Fame star ceremony. She gave a speech.

She's still really close with Bradley Cooper. She helped him out with, like, Leonard Cohen press when he was doing that just to like, I don't know, she like moderated some 57 minute talk in a theater that I watched all of for some reason because I love her. On YouTube.

I wasn't even there. And she's still really close with Judy Greer, who she just reunited with. And of course, one of my favorite TV shows of the year, five-star weekend. So, you know, like, it's amazing how much- An abomination of a show. But an absolutely great time. Come on. My wife devoured it with a fork and a knife and A1 sauce. Just absolutely devoured it. I was just there making jokes all the time. I was anticipating it for about 14 months. So when it finally arrived, I was ready. And I had the time of my life at a great time.

Like, I just, a lot of mystical things. But anyway, check it out. Jennifer Garner, a celebrity chef. right celebrity chef she's like an Instagram chef she's not even a celebrity chef who somehow has like a $45 million house in Nantucket and invites all these women

that she's friends with and maybe not friends with to her $45 billion house and plans the whole weekend in the most anal A type way possible and then shenanigans happen like barely like they just sort of like go like not much happens

is sort of the point. It just turns out there's a lot of, like, lies to expose. Well, spoiler, her husband dies, and one of the ladies that comes to the weekend is the lady he was having an affair with that she finds out about that weekend. And they met a lot. It's a fan. She invites a fan to her home on Nantucket where, like,

you need a ferry to get off. So if there's something goes awry, it's like hard to part. So you know what I'm never doing, inviting a fan to a vacation? I was just going to say, would you ever do that? I don't see that happening. Also, her husband was Josh Hamilton, my guy from kicking and screaming. It was hated to see him

have a texting accident. What about Chloe 70 as a townie? I mean, no one has ever been less of a townie than Chloe 70. It was really, it was tough. Anyway, Jennifer Gardner, what I wanted to say, what's crazy to think about, she's doing 22 episodes a year of

alias, and then in her summer break, she's shooting a movie every year. That's like, that's a lot of work. That's like very hard. driven and she's married. Yeah, she does. Catch me if you can in 2002. Daredevil where she reconnects with Ben Affleck, who she'd already been on Pearl Harbor with. She's in alias, 13 going on 30.

Starts dating Ben Affleck right around there. The movie career, the best movie she ever made other than this one, Juno. She's the female lead in Dallas Byers Club, which was respected. I don't think Danny Collins would be the other one. I really like Daniel Collins. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, I think this is by far her biggest credit.

I think Juno is an interesting life for that movie. You know, it's like it made a big impression when it came out. Culturally mattered for a year or two and hasn't held up in the same way. Also, I think it's part of the Bateman Renaissance, like around the same time as like Arrested Development and stuff. But it just like doesn't really get acknowledged. I think people have like a lot of flaws with it. But it was sort of like a turning point for her because she was not likeable. in that movie.

Like, and she's just sort of, it was like, it's kind of like the darker character of that movie. Yeah, I don't like dark Jennifer Garner. Me neither. And I don't. She did that in peppermint too, which is basically taken or John Wick

for a female who loses her child. I can't even remember the plot. But she's, it's like an action movie and it's just, I don't want, I want happy Jennifer Garner. Yeah, it's not her. Like, that's not actually her personality.

And I think that one of the reasons she's so charming in this. And she has said this in many interviews is that like Jenna Rink is similar to her personality and so she could like really connect with the character and that obviously comes through.

We should also mention the Affleck relationship coming off Benefer where he was in a relationship that was so famous and so gigantic that it actually got a nickname. I think that might have been

the first one to get the nickname. Really? I got to think about that. I feel like it beat Brangelinea by a year. I don't remember a relationship nicknames. I just want to say that. I read it. 2017 interview where Ben Affleck says he and Jennifer Garner fell in love on the set of Electra.

So I don't think we even have to dance around. I mean, Daredevil. We don't even have to dance around it in 2002. He said, they shot it in 2002. And he said that's when they fell in love. So I know. And he was with J-Lo at the time. So it's all a little fuzzy.

You know, there was Scott Foley. There was Michael Bartan. And then- So she had Scott Foley, then broke up with Scott Foley, divorced him, started dated Michael Vartan and then there was an Affleck overlap. That's correct. Can I read you something really funny? You know what? Juliet? Actors just fall for each other.

They're on the set. Close quarters. They're making out. They're supposed to have sparks and connections. Yeah. It's insane to think that you wouldn't. Like if you are trying to play a part as best you can, wouldn't you like fall in love with the person who's also doing that opposite you on these long days? I think it's completely understandable. I felt this way about Craig a bunch of times of the rewatchable. like we spent so much time together

and he's a handsome guy, you know. It's very understandable. Mark Ruffalo. Did you get all your Jennifer Garner takes out or do you have anymore? You have more in the holster? You know, I'm sure we'll get to them. I just think that she's electric. I love her. And I think we'll talk about it in her performance

through the categories and stuff. I just think that she should have had a better career. And I think part of that is because she like has been very open about choosing family. Because right after this movie comes out, their first daughter is born shortly thereafter. I was going to say that I think she's two, three movies short, but I agree with you.

But I think it was 100% the family thing. She just became a mom. She started raising kids and stopped working as much. Yeah, she was just like, I'm doing one movie a year when it fits in. She and Ben Affleck used to talk about how they would never film at the same time, the family-owned move for each other's project. So that's her choice. And I think that she seems like a pretty happy, fulfilled person.

So I think it was the right move for her. But as a fan, I think she could have been more Reese level. And I don't think she's quite there. The frustrating thing when you look back at the IMDB, she just didn't get the chances till later. Yeah. Like her 20s, it probably should have happened. Like she could have easily been on Party of Five in 1995

or one of those shows or she could have joined the cast in that No, 2 and O in season six. Yeah. And then gotten the chops to start making movies from there. Imagine her as Valerie. What a life that would have been. Valerie, that's like she could have been a good Claire. Oh, interesting. Okay.

I love Claire. one of my faves. You like Claire. I've always loved her. Yeah. Claire hated her 9-on-2-0 experience. She basically talks about it

like she went to go serve and Vietnam for four years. Jenny Garth really sounds like she was an absolute nightmare. I think she was hard to be around. And I think Shannon Doherty was tough too, but she left. So it's fine. Mark Ruffalo.

Yes. Another one who's a little bit of a late bloomer. Hits the scene in 2000 with You Can Count on Me, which is an extraordinary movie that we're going to do on the rewatchables at some point. Okay.

His IMDB is awesome. from that point on. It is like, the choices that he makes is so much fun. He's in the last castle with Redford. He's in a movie called X, X, X, X, Y, which I cannot recommend highly enough from a to be, like, just,

just throw it on. It's one of those. There's a million of these, but this one, I think, is really good. And your girl Claire's in it. Oh, my God. Captain Robertson. I got to go home and do that.

I'm a huge XXXY fan. I would own it on 4K Blu-Ray if it existed. In The Cut with Meg Ryan, really weird movie. We don't live here anymore, which I've recently watched two months ago with Laura Dern and Peter Kraza is in it. And who's the other one? Naomi Watts. It's like a weird couple's might like each other. Sure.

They just film it in the middle of nowhere. I vaguely remember this movie. Then he's in Internal Shun Shine. And then in 04, he does 13 going on 30 and collateral. He's filming at the same time. Unbelievable. It's incredible. I was going to say, is that a rewatchables category?

The strangest two movies, somebody filmed at the same time he was filming this and going back and forth with collateral. That's incredible. That's also like collateral, such an amazing L.A. movie and 13 going on a great New York movie. It's very different mindset. And also 2004 in particular, it's like just couldn't be more different. That's amazing. Kudos to him. I have this written down.

Tell me if I'm right or wrong. Most overqualified rom-com lead since Tom Hanks. Too good of an actor to be in this, which is why he's good at this. Yeah, I mean, you can tell that he's like disdainful, even though he seems to like Jennifer Garner, like in person. But you can throughout the movie, he's just like, I don't want to be here.

It does have a feeling of like, I can't believe my agent talked me into this. Yeah. He views it the way people use to view TV. Like, I can't believe I'm doing this television show to get, you know, into a movie. I guess that's right. It's weird because later,

in his career, Mark Ruffalo would never have disdain for something that would become so obvious publicly. He would never have strong opinions that people were aware of. Yeah. Yeah, I think that might be right. I mean, I'm just trying to think of all of the other ones in history. Like, I think you could maybe put Ryan Gosling in that category, but he wasn't that many rom-coms. Ruffalo is a better actor than Reynolds. Yeah, like Billy Crystal, Ruffalo's probably like, Ruffalo's the lead in task. You know, he's done like real shit. Yeah. I think that he's like Tom Hanks

is really the only other one of the conversation. You're right. Well, this story, this is Stephen Segal shitting on himself a word, whatever we call that one, for craziest anecdote from the filming. Ruffalo almost left the project during the rehearsals of the thriller scene

because he hated the rehearsal process and the choreography so much. And he literally almost left. They had to like talk him into staying into the movie as they're rehearsing throw a lower thumb because he was so horrified by it. What I find really funny about that is he got his chops on Broadway, right? Like in plays.

And you would think that someone like in the theater scene would be a little bit more respectful of like grand choreography. But I now know he's not a musicals guy. Theater only. Serious plays. So noted. And by the way, it's obvious in the scene. It's a mail-in by him.

But I think that's one of the reasons it's so much fun. They also cut out a scene later in the movie, when he screams at Jenna. They knew about Sparkle Magazine. They knew and you cut those photos loose. That got cut out. If they had left it in,

you would have been done this movie on the rewatchables already. Where do you stand on is Mark Ruffalo how handsome he is? Because my wife has always absolutely loved him. Oh, interesting. I think young Mark Ruffalo

had a real, like, too cool for school charm. He's never really been for me. I like a prettier, more like kind of conventionally handsome rom-com lead. But I see it. Like, I get that that's a type. Also, there's something about him that's, like, imperfect.

That is refreshing, especially with his teeth and stuff, which he's never changed. Doing a good job of holding back here. Judy Greer's 2000s. Her Mount Rommore, wedding planner, 13 going on 30, 27 dresses and love happens. She's basically the Robert Horrie of rom-coms. It's amazing. And somebody that you personally absolutely love and adore. Love.

Yeah, absolutely love. My favorite Judy Greer performance, this is really random. Descendants with George Clooney. She's really fucking good in that movie. Really good in that. I agree. So fantastic. I thought you were going to say that terrible peacock show where she plays the bitch. Five star weekend?

Yeah, five star weekend. She's Elektra. Okay. She basically plays Lucy Tom Tom, 20 years later. The funny thing about Judy Greer is she is in so many things and it's those four movies that you listed is what she is known for. I think because she's so good at it. Like,

in the two, the wedding planner, and 13 going on 30, we're back to back, I think, in back to back years as well. And hilariously enough, it's with J-Lo and Jennifer Garner, in consecutive movies. And it's so funny how, like, in this era, they're linked in many ways.

Yeah. And she's just great at it. She's also, you know, she's, I think the wedding planner role is so different. She's like this baddy, nervous assistant. And then she's like this bitch in 13 going on 30. I actually think she's played more mean people than, like, of the wedding planner character,

but she's so much better known for being like the likable best friend or whatever. And it's just actually kind of a disservice to her because she is much more than that. She seems like she actually is like a pretty great actress. Yeah, she is the two moves, the super sweet friend or the, I thought you were sweet,

but you're actually a horror show. And those are like the two types of characters she plays. Well, Catherine Hahn in 2003 to 2010, was in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, win a date with Tad Hamilton, a lot like love, the holiday, and how do you know? It's really them in the finals for Mount Romor.

I think it's Catherine Hahn, just based on credit for credit. I think those movies, she's more impactful, honestly. Like, I think Judy Greer is really good. But, like, Catherine Hahn also just sort of makes each of those her own. And also, Catherine Howe was really able to, like, rise above that image of her.

I mean, think about her career since, whereas Judy Greer is still known as, like, the rom-com friend. a lot like love a movie I've seen way too many times that appeared on my 50 most rewatchables of the 21st century to a lot of people's horror because my wife watches it all the time and talk about rising above

Oh my God she's pregnant at one point in that movie and like just caring shit Then we have Andy circuses in this movie too aka Ghalom playing the magazine editor Where do you stand on any circus? Well the craziest thing is that this is after Lord of the Rings

like all all three of the movies are out and he's back playing him, you know, adds himself embodied playing this guy. I don't mind him. I think the more you watch it, like, the better his performance seems. Because there's like, just like funny moments that he lands. Like, when he says like his,

he's like, like, said his balls are being squished or whatever. It's actually like really funny at first sort of like, is this the right movie for that? But the more I watched it, I was like, oh, actually this is kind of, like, it's a connective tissue from the movie. It actually works really well. So I'm in. He's basically doing the Martin Short and Father.

the bride completely over the top. Brunk? Sidekick character. And then Poise magazine. Poise, yes. Okay. What's going on here? So our friend Wesley, who reviewed this for the Boston Globe, we'll get to that later. Called Poys a Photoshop mix of Cosmo, Jane, and Lucky.

Yeah, it's like a Cosmo versus glamour kind of thing. Would you have bought Poys? Would you have subscribed to Poise in 2004? No. In 2004, I subscribed to Peasmson four. to people, us, and in touch. I was already more on like the celebrity paparazzi side and not on like the women's magazine side of things. So this wasn't like a YM? No. And I think that YM is...

It's an adult version of the YM basically. So yeah. Yeah. Lucky is I think a good parallel. Yeah. And like, yeah, like a lore a little bit too, which is more makeup driven. But like, yeah, I think it's more like that. And YM in 17, of course, you famously wrote for YM. So... Guy needs to...

cash a check. I think that those are more for like the middle school years, like looking at when you were 17. Poise. Poise. We're going to take a break. We're going to come back and talk about the actual real star of this movie,

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Angry Orchard is a hard cider with other natural flavors. So this movie is advertised. as Jennifer Garner being the star of 13 going on 30, but it's actually the music. This is one of the best soundtracks ever in a movie. They have the go-goes with head over heels twice. Jesse's girl. Thriller.

Not just thriller, but the entire thriller song. Burning down the house, talking heads. Madonna, crazy for you. Whitney Houston, I want to dance with somebody. What I like about you cover. It's not the original one, but it's a cover. Pretty good day. So I get a little

more modern in there. Vanilla. Ice Ice Ice Baby. Vienna by Billy Joel. Liz Fair, Why Can't I? Which is a great song. Oh my God. So it is so important to my teenage years. And then Love is a Battlefield by Pat Benatar with a callback at the end. This is probably half the budget of the movie. Homeline. Beyond. It's so good. Great job, guys. It's incredible.

Also, the Liz Fair song is used twice, which also meant a lot to me. Yeah, we can come back to that a little bit. But it's an amazing soundtrack. And as I was watching, I do. wonder, like, how do they get all these songs cleared? It's amazing. I think they probably skimped out on the Alex Carlson character. I have a lot to say about him. And used that money toward the music.

I actually think this was a choice. I think they thought we're going to spend a few million dollars on the music because it's a huge part of this movie. And they didn't skimp on any part. Every song's a banger. Every song's famous. And then when you think about 2004, they do a good job of the nostalgia.

It's like about 20 years after a lot of these songs hit combined with some of the newer stuff. And it's honestly a tour to force. I can't believe how good they did with that. It also just feels like this era, I feel like this was more common. You watch a lot of movies in the late 90s, early odds. There was just a lot of huge pop songs

that were incorporated into the movies and even like referenced the same way she references some lyrics from these songs. I feel like now, I don't know if like the record labels I've gotten smarter and it's just too expensive to license, but you don't see that as much now. Can I posit that's like the MTV effect? I think that like music...

Last era of MTV. Yeah. Music was seen as like a music videos were seen as such a powerful vehicle. And like, you know, they used to get like the movie edit with the song or whatever. Like for me, the definition of this is Secret Garden by Bruce Springsteen because that version with like the movie talking with Jerry McGuire

on the radio. She was you in her... So this break is a breakup. That's in the middle of the song. And so I think that there was actually a lot more commercial value to be had for the music by being in the movies. And like you could go back and buy the records and give it a second life when you couldn't just get the song on Spotify right away, essentially. So it actually was like smart for some of these songs. Well, my beloved, a lot like love has one of the best soundtracks of that entire decade.

And it's more new stuff. Yeah. But it's got that. What sets on the? ever fell in love before. What a feeling. I forget the name of it. I know exactly what you mean.

You know that song. It's like three different points of the movie they play. Right. Also happening in this time is the O.C. Brighter than Sunshine. Oh, yeah. Well, also happening at this time on TV is the O.C. And the O.C had the power to like break a band.

Like Death Cab became big the year before. So I think there was just like in this exact moment. It was kind of short-lived. TV and movies could make a difference in music. That was a big thing for Josh Schwartz. Yeah. Because I think he always felt like 902 and O never totally leaned into that. There was a couple, like they had the Sundays on once.

Of course. But for the most part, never really used. Like they had the peach pit after dark for years and never leaned into the music part. And the O.C that second year, he had the walkman. He had a whole bunch of big ones during like a really good time for music too. Remember when the gym blossoms were on the boat for Steve Sanders' birthday on the, yeah? I remember. A great Claire after.

so, if I recall it correctly. Well, that had Steve Sanders his 21st birthday when he was 38 in real life, one of the great moments ever. Steve, can't wait for 21. He's got like a receding hair life. So good. This movie was written by Kathy Yuspa and Josh Goldsmith and directed by Gary Winnick, who's no longer with us.

37 million dollar budget made 96 million. Roger Ebert, not impressed, two stars. He said, Jennifer Garner is indeed a charmer, but she's the victim of a charmless treatment in 13 going on 30. I got to say Raj made some decent points. Okay, let's hear him. He couldn't buy the world of the magazine office

was one of his big things. He didn't understand why high-power professionals don't seem to notice they're dealing with a 13-year-old mine. Jenna's bright idea to redesign the magazine is so spectacularly bad that it's accepted. And there are so many emotional and sexual puzzles to tap dance around. This should have been a musical.

He liked Garner. I think that's why it got two stuff. stars out of them. Wesley Morris. Okay. A young whippersnapper at this point for the Boston Globe writes a contagious but dopey first star vehicle for TV's Jennifer Garner. The movie

is tailor made for women who openly lust for dream houses, dream jabs, and dream hubbies. Sounds like Juliet. Does the movie's heroin get what she wants? And do you feel good about it? Yes, and sort of. That is so Wesley. That is just the most Wesleyan. Here's the thing. If we ask Wesley now,

he would say this is one of his favorite movies the last 25 years. Yeah. Because I think that's what this, this is, he would love this movie. Like he would have been on this podcast if we asked them. So, definitely, yeah. Maybe next time we do it.

I think that review also, like, it is dopey, but that's one of the reasons why it's fun. Like, movies and things can be dopey and you can love them. Like, there's actually a lot of, like, joy in that. And it doesn't have to be serious.

And, like, you can just have fun with it. And the movie encourages you to just go with it and be like, you know, Roger Ebert made some great points about the logic. That is correct. doesn't really exactly make sense, but that's just part of the genre. And you just sort of accept it as like table setting and move forward.

I did agree with his point about the office in particular. I was like, is this the set from Working Girl? It looks very similar to like when they walk in and everything. It's like just so generic. It doesn't like draw you into that world. But that's okay.

The magazine stuff isn't exactly nailed, but that's fine. What was the Netflix rom-com when they basically was built after Grantland, set it up? Yeah. when they had their version of Grantland and it was like the nicest office

possible. It was so funny. It was not like our office at all. It was very airy. Glenn Powell had like beautiful light on him. That movie's pretty good. Yeah. Thanks, Craig.

They openly admitted they based it on Gatlin. I like that movie too. That's a classic movie where you just never know. If your two lead actors have chemistry, it can go a long way. And one of them has really taken off. And one is Zoe Deutsch. By the way.

So we do itch. Probably, like in the last 10 years, it's probably made more rom-coms that people have heard of than any of their actress, right? Yeah. At least nine. I think all on the strength of set it up.

Like, everyone just, like, wait. Because that was a big hit. Like, that was sort of a standout for Netflix. Like, it was like 10 years ago already. And I think just like looking for the next one. I mean, you know, Netflix hovers over all the conversations of rom-coms because there are so many. And I like to watch all of them.

Always be my maybe with Ali Wong is really good. Like, some of them are great. And, but it's just sort of like, you know, and Amazon's doing a bunch of TV shows now, too. Like, they have seized the more YA stuff. Yeah, the tropes. And we haven't even talked about Sterling Point, but they've seized all of the tropes of these movies

and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But like, it just, I support the strategy of like just throwing out a million and seeing what lands because they're all kind of fun. And once in a while, they are great. Like, did you ever watch Marry Me on Peacock with J-Lo and Owen Wilson? Who are you talking to? I love that movie. Am I the only one?

Maybe. But I'll watch all of them and like sometimes they sick. Now there's another person to love that movie. My wife, Carrie Simmons. That's how I watched it.

She watched it multiple times. The music in it? J-Lo is really good at singing in that movie. Her songs are great. Not how did she really like it? She was like, J-Lo's back. Yes.

I felt the same way. Yeah, Netflix. Netflix in the last eight, nine years because their algorithm was obviously telling them people love rom-coms in horror movies and they just started cranking them out. And their hit or miss, especially the rom-coms. There's also, like, there's the Hallmark

rom-coms, like the holiday-era ones. Yeah, there's a bunch of them now. And then there's, like, letters to Isabel. Yeah. Like, things like that, but I watch all of them. And then there's, like, that Zoe Saldana show on Netflix. That was pretty popular, too. Like, I forget the name of it.

I'll look it up in a second. But, you know, these are all, like, feel-good moments. And sometimes they're good. And sometimes they're actually high quality and sometimes they're not. But like, I'm here for all of it. I suppose, it's a good strategy.

You know what your algorithm probably likes? What? Is like these teen rom-com-y type movies, but somebody's either dying of cancer or have already died. And it's like, I have to bring my friend's ashes to every, it feels like they've done every variation of those, right?

Totally. My best friend from when I was growing up, she's either about to die or she already died or she's coming back or she dies during the movie or it's men and it's like the high school quarterback and he loses the root.

They love those some sort of tragedy early. It's kind of like the my girlification of teen movies because like that it's very similar when McCauley Colgan dies and the fall in my stars was huge.

I loved that movie. It was a young Shailene Woodley and that's a cancer movie. But yeah, that had a whole year for that one. 2009-2010. I know. She doesn't, she gets after what she wants, I guess.

That's what we've learned recently. Shailene is in the Unabomber movie. You know. Take down the Unabomber. And it's not Aaron Rogers. It's the actual Unabomber. Ted K. Yeah, I think about him often.

The Unabomber, I learned, you know, you learn about, like, something really bad at a young age and you ever forget it. So that's the Unabomber for me. I mean, even the Wolf Feral S&L sketches couldn't. Incredible. Couldn't try to help him not be creepy. All right. Most rewatchable scene.

Okay. Have a bunch of them, including we'll start with the big party at Jenna's, where the six chicks show up. Sure. One of the great gimmicks. Did you have six chicks in high school or a version of that or no? Yes. So when I was in high school, there was a group that called themselves the A squad.

And I was not in it. I was in the B team. So yes, the six chicks, A squad, I felt the same. Because you're smart, you got along with them. Totally. You got along with everybody. Yeah. The A squad.

That's so snotty. does that? It's pretty incredible. It's like, it's like so on the nose that it's like funny to tell people about. But yes, it was real at the Bronx High School of Science. When I was in college, the people that were like that, we were derisively called them BPs for beautiful people. Oh, cool. And then some of them actually like kind of owned it and we're like, where are the BPs? And it's like, no, no, we're making fun of the fact that, yeah. Jenna being mean to Beaver hurts my feelings. Seven minutes of heaven, I think, has been banned in 50 states now in 2006. Back then made sense. And she wants to be 30 and flirty and thriving. I think I was

going to do this. What's the best you best best Juryr, one of the best teen to adult casting of two different people that I can remember. Interesting. You know, Judy Greer doesn't agree with that. Like, I guess people brought that up with her frequently. And she was like, I think that girl looks like her. You don't think so? No, I do. Judy Greer would like never acknowledge it, which is sort of funny. Oh, maybe she doesn't like it.

I think the Jennifer Garner teen as well looks just like her. I thought she's great. Yes. I think she looks like Hillary Swank, that young woman, but... I couldn't agree more. It's close. It's not bad. I respectfully disagree.

Oh, it's pretty good. I mean, on the scale of, like, you can be way off with stuff like that. I thought it was pretty solid. Well, especially they set up the nose job thing later. So, yeah, I guess. Yeah, but all I saw was Hillary. Hillary Swank and that just was right now. We almost saw Hillary Swank in this movie.

I know. I know. Casting what ifs? Crazy. Next one is Jenna wakes up and she's 30. The cell phone thing is really funny. It's like the perfect time in 04 to be like, what's that noise, not knowing what a cell phone is. The whole like checking out her body, waking up with the hockey player.

And then Lucy, I'm Jenna Rink, big time magazine editor. they go into the office. That whole part's great. It's great, yes. I love that scene. I think that's also like when Jennifer, it's almost like Jennifer Garner's mission statement. She nails the physical aspect of it

and the facial expression so well. I think it recalls Tom Hanks and Big a lot. It's impossible to not think about when he first wakes up to. And it's kind of like reassuring like, oh, she can do this movie. Like, it's going to be good. By the way, she looks great.

She's beautiful. I think she still looks great. Great outfit. Yeah. Yeah. And gets into the office for the M&M, blah, blah, blah. And she's like, clean or peanut has no idea how Eminem is. That was so funny.

Next scene, she goes to see Ruffalo when he's like, doing his ruffalo out of the side of his mouth. We're not friends anymore, Jenna. Yeah. That whole part's really interesting how. I like, these are where you really have to suspend belief with movies like this. Of course. Because your reaction to this in real life would be you've taken fentanyl.

Well, he said that. Did you go into K-Hole? He said that to her. And then he did mushrooms. Like, this woman's lost her mind. Call the police. I know. She's like, I used to be 13.

And now I'm here. It's like, what's going on? What drugs did you do? But he doesn't have that reaction. Yeah, it's like covered in one line. She's like, I can't remember anything that happened. So he just like lets her start looking at materials and like doesn't kick her out. I guess you're supposed to think that he's attracted to her right away.

So he left her head. She's like, she might have amnesia and she looks fucking hot. I'm going to have to play this. out and see where it goes. Then we get a dress-up montage with Whitney Houston music heading into the elevator combo with 13-year-old. But this movie, you know, this is like where you're

just following the rom-com. You know, you're following the footsteps of the giants. And one of them is you have to have a dress-up montage scene. So it was Whitney Houston. It was supposed to be lips like sugar by Echo and the Bunny Man, which would have been great, but they couldn't get the licensing

for it, which is crazy to me because they got 15 songs and spent millions of dollars. but somehow echo and the buddy man, we're like, nope. We can't do it. They should take the money. It would be amazing for them. They're like, I hate alias. No, thank you.

Yeah. It shows terrible. Yeah. Jenna saves the party with Thriller, which is now an iconic rom-com scene and an iconic dress. Yes, the dress is, I think. So go. You take the floor.

Just go. The dress is incredible. It is a modified Versacee dress from like the year before. It's the green dress for the people in normal. remember. Yes, it's like short. It's so funny that you say that. I'm like, how can people not know what I'm talking about? Yeah. The dress has such a long life. I think it's like a Halloween costume every year. I think it's something people think about when they turn 30. And it has like this silhouette that moves really well when she's doing the dance. The funny thing about the dance, I just don't think she's very good at it. Like she's much better when she does love as the battlefield dancing on the bed later in the movie. But she looks like awkward and stiff. It gets better as the song goes along, but the first minute of it is really bad. And then Ruffalo is a, just putting a stamp on it for two minutes. It's like he's hurt himself and he's like dragging his foot along. Gallum comes in and he's banging it out though.

Collum is ready to party. But yeah, the dress is amazing and of course it's like punctuated by her grabbing her boobs and saying, because I have these incredible boobs to fill it out. Like it's such a gleeful moment. And I think that like, you know, a lot of people, particularly women can relate to like

putting on something that makes you feel so good that you just like want to live in the moment to experience like that. greatness. And it's very sweet. It's like, it is literally aspirational, which is why it works so well. It's like, you want to find a dress like that that's like fits you perfectly that makes you feel like a million bucks. And it's, it just works. Craig, does Michael Jackson have too much baggage now where a scene like this and people busting out thriller would be more complicated or do people not care from your generation? I don't think it's a Michael Jackson problem.

To me, the craziest part was that like is, was the song, was the dance really so popular that in 2004, you could expect that anyone in a room knew the entire dance? Kind of yes. Wow. Because the video was probably the biggest video of all time, and everybody imitated it. Because I loved that it wasn't that Mark Ruffalo didn't know the dance and was embarrassed. He's like, well, obviously I know the dance. It's thriller, but I don't want to do it.

I just love that anyone at this party, if you pointed at them, they were like, yeah, I know the thriller dance from beginning to end. I mean, it added up for me. Isn't that kind of back with TikTok dances? Like, I spent a long time watching everyone doing that baby doll Jamie Miller dance last night. Sure, sure. How does everyone know this? This song sticks.

It's just funny. It was like a two-minute routine and everybody knew it. And I was like, man, did people really know the whole thriller dance? Man, sometimes that happens. Wesley didn't like it. Wesley wrote,

shout out, Wesley's listening to this, having a great time right now. Watching Garner and the rest of the cast earnestly dance like ghouls, I cringe the, way I might have had this happen at a party I was actually attending. The amateurness isn't cute.

It's scary. Wesley, not a fan. Scary. Well, that's fitz thriller. That's really, I love when Wesley makes up a word. Or like, you're like, is that really a word? He made that word up. That's not a word.

For sure. But like, that's another hallmark of Wesley's wonderful writing. I think this reminded me of like every bar mitzvah I've been to. And since she's supposed to be 13, it totally tracked. I was like, yeah. And every bar mit's five been to. because I went to a bunch as a kid and then way more when my kids had friends that had bar mitzvahs. I've somehow been in like 30 bar mitzvahs.

Yeah, it's sort of like everyone knowing the cha-cha slide. It tracks. I thought it was, you know, it's a famous scene. Also, there is just something like the mechanics of Michael Jackson are obviously like he defies mechanics or he did. And so then like seeing all these people like just like get up into the party and doing it is hilarious. I love when Arlene joins the secretary. That's my favorite moment. She's like so happy to be out there.

So Arlene's coming up later. I like Arlene as well. We have the Liz Fair Manches montage into Razzles into the Brooklyn Bridge with them and whatever, throwing that in. That seems like a spot movies will go to. Oh, on the side of the East River?

On the side with that shot, Saturday Night Fever was in there. 50 years of people shooting like right around in that area because it's a good shot of the bridge in the background. What about Manhattan? I mean, that's the black and white shot.

I mean, that's iconic. Love is a battlefield with the nice version of the six chicks when she's explaining to the 13-year-old. I actually like, I could have gotten one more scene with her just hanging with the 13-year-old girls and dispensing advice. Like that was a really fun part.

All right. Two more. Okay. Jenna's class of 2004 pitch for the new magazine. Bravo! That's most rewatchable for you? I've got some notes. I wanted to bring that up later.

No, it's rewatchable because it's probably the, worst publishing idea of all time. I think you're immediately, this goes beyond nitpicks. You're just immediately fired. People are like, what the fuck are you doing? We're supposed to be a glossy magazine that people aspire to. We're going to give them a high school yearbook.

You're fired. It didn't even look well done. The materials she presented were so poor. If I were Maddie, I'd be like, please don't include my work. I don't want to be associated. You do not have the right to use my... Gollum's like, who is this photographer? It's like, these are fucking basic iPhone photos.

It kind of looked like if like a five-year-old was trying to make their own J-Crew catalog, this is what they would have ended up with. It was a 13-year-old. But even worse, like someone with no skills. It's so bad. And the irony is that Lucy's idea of like heroin chic, I was like, all right, this is pretty good. Yeah. I think this would work coming out of the music scene in New York in 2004 and just kind of where things were going in general.

I kind of liked it. I know why she became editor-in-chief of Sparkle. Good idea. Craig, which idea did you like more generous? or Lucy's for the magazine redesign? I did immediately turn to Liz, and I was like, you know Lucy's ideas way better than Jenna's, right?

Fashion suicide would play. Liz was upset. She loves this movie. She doesn't like to hear any criticisms. Liz love the happiness, celebration, nostalgia. Wow, is it a bad idea? Liz loves Gallum.

My last one is just Jenna and Lucy have it out. And Jenna finds out that evil Jenna, who she was before she... kind of woke up, was actually undermining sparkle every month. Judy Greer's lights out in this scene. Really good, yeah. I might have told him something else too,

but I just can't remember. Are we supposed to think that she did and it got cut from the movie? Because later on, Jenna, when she shows up at Mark Ruffalo's house to stop the wedding, like it's my best friend's wedding, she says, well, I guess it is,

she says, I don't know what she told you, but it's not true. So, like, are you supposed to, think there was something else. I think so. I did not put the wedding scene in that. I didn't think that was. I thought that scene could have been better.

I do have some thoughts about it later. But those were all my rewatchable scenes. So what you're... Oh, I skipped one accidentally. After Thriller, the sad Vienna scene. What a classic. I'm saving Vienna for later. I mean...

Yeah, I have a part for it later, too. Here's what Billy Joel said, though, about Vienna. Actually, I'll save this part too. All right, we'll save Vienna. I have a whole separate part for this. I mean, it deserves it. It's Vienna. What do you have for your most rewatchable scene?

I can't wait. My most rewatchable scene is the first scene when she wakes up in the apartment. The umbrella gag is really important to me when she sticks it so she doesn't see his penis anymore. I guess it's in underwear. And all of the physical comedy, I just feel proud as a Jennifer Garner fan

in that moment. And it's just very funny. It's really well done. And then the slip that she's wearing and then putting on the jacket is so famous that it's like, and that's even more than the dress for me, that's like the defining look of the movie. So it's definitely that. I think you're right. I think basically from the closet all the way through when she gets to work,

the first 25 minutes of this movie are excellent. Yeah, they're really good. Really, really good. what's the most 2004 thing about this movie? So many. Eminem's on the phone. He wants a decision now. That slip dress is a little 1997.

Wrote that one down. Being surprised by a cell phone ring. What else do you have? I have in the, when she first gets to work, you can see some of the like previous issues of both sparkle and poise. The cover stars also include

Courtney Cox and Marissa Tomei. Oh. Those were pretty good. I thought Courtney Cox in particular, very 2004. There's the pick. And Jenna's office wall. She has a picture of her with like a lot of people, like the Madonna signed one.

She has a picture of her and Rudy Giuliani. It's very, very funny. I had the flip phone. Back when it was okay to have a picture of the Rudy Giuliani. It wasn't like for humor or like having to ask a lot of questions. It was just like this was the mayor during 9-11. Right. The flip phone was a big one for me too.

It's like, especially because I think, colored phones, like a colored screen, came in like 2002, 2003. So they were really kind of coming into their own. And then for me, the repeated use of Liz Fares, why can't I? I mean, that is an early aughts song. And to use it two times, it's like it wasn't a deep cut at the time. It was just Liz Faire. And so I don't think that resonates in the same way.

And it really brought me back. My only other one, this was my winner, Garner's performance earned her nominations from both the MTV Movie Awards and the Teen Choice Awards. words. I feel like there was a three-year vortex where that could have happened. I think you're right with Liz Fair. The Floyd Gundali Butter in My Ass Award and Lollipops on My Mouth Award for something I just enjoy.

I'll go first. Okay. I love rom-com bitches. You like a bitchy lady. There's just a certain level it goes to and it's never like really, really like catastrophically mean, but more mean where you're like, And we all know people who are probably watered down versions of the rom-com bitches. You know, there's always somebody at work or somebody that, you know, your friend is friends with or your wife or girlfriend's friends with.

But there's variations of them and you can see the seeds. So when I see Lucy, it's like, oh, I know. I know Lucy's. But rom-com bitches are great. They are because they have to turn it up a little bit. It can't just be like subtle. They have to be really clearly. Yeah, it's great.

I think Sigourney Weber is a really good example of that in Working Girl. Great example. She's like a great character. And like if that was actually your boss, you would want to die. Right. That's a good one. I mean, Judy Greer in this movie is great. And like, she's on a saleable.

She really like makes it a better movie. So I get it. It's a great one. Chance said she might have been on the right side of history too. Evil Jenna is just undermining the entire magazine to Sparkle. I do also think that like you can't understand. what a bad person Jenna was without Lucy because if they're best friends

and calling them the dynamic duo at the beginning, clearly like she has become a Lucy. Well, Lucy's Darth Vader, basically. She sucks her to the dark side from the moment that 8th grade birthday party. It's true. Turning 13 is such a big deal. Brings her into the six chicks

just changes her life for the worst. Don't you think Jenna Rink probably would have had a bat mitzvah? Just throwing it out of that out there. Living in New Jersey? She seems like a Jewish. So you think Jenner Rink? definitely Jewish?

I think so. It occurred to me right now. Jenna Rink. Not positive that's a Jewish name, though. Well, as a Jew, I think it is. You're more qualified to rule on this than me. I'm just here as your supporting cabinet.

Jenner Rink. Yeah, just think about it. Do the parents seem Jewish enough to you? Kathy Baker? I don't think so. No. But I do love Kathy Baker. Did you watch picket fences?

Well, I mean, she was the hooker and street smart. That's where I knew Kathy Baker. Okay. What's going on with the pilot of you and Adam Friedland doing Jewish stuff? Have we filmed that yet or now? Still just in our text messages. We haven't gotten there yet, but I would love to discuss it. I still feel like we do an eight-episode test drive.

I'm interested. He's available. He's nearby. We're both in New York. Okay, the thing that I just like, Jennifer Garner's hairstyles are so funny in this movie. They do so much for the character. and like chopsticks in the hair,

I don't think that would be like acceptable in a movie in this era, like after Gwen Stefani. But it's so funny. And the way that like they show her character, like, evolving from having just woken up to like realizing she's a bad person with like the very like elaborate hairstyle

so it just being down and like no makeup on is so, it's so well done. It's also just so like feminine. It adds a real touch of like Jennifer Garner's like, feeling all over the movie. And I just love it. I laughed myself when I watch it. We'll take one more break.

And then we're going to go to the What's Age the Best? What's Age the Best? Obviously, unquestionably, it is all of the J-Lo covers in a movie with Jennifer Garner right as J-Lo is about to break up with Ben Affleck, who Jennifer Garner is about to start dating. It's incredible.

It's the whole movie. J-Lo is just, there's one part near the end where she's in, front looking good outside with a J-Lo cover in the back. And it's like, I'm going to go get Ben Affleck now. You can do a super cut of her just ending up with Ben Affleck just through scenes of this movie. It is so funny. Because in the movie, which came out in the spring of 2004, she, in like the end, one of the

final montage scenes, she goes to the newsstand and she takes down all the covers of Sparkle. There's three of them that are like being helped with a binder clip. And J-Lo is on the cover. And then she hides them. And like, you just couldn't script that bad. because then five months later, a game one of the world series, Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck make their debut at the Boston Red Sox. As did I.

We were all in Fenway Park together, 11 and 9 over the Cardinals. And then it's just, it's crazy. Like, yeah, you got to discuss that, you know. It's just the game one. I got to say, as you know, I love Affleck and I'll fight for Affleck and Damon forever. Me too. Very important next girlfriend choice. Because the J-Lo thing did not go over great.

with the fan base being that she was from the Bronx. Right. That's true. And was unabashedly a Yankee fan. And that was just really weird. So then they break up. He shows up symbolically, Game 1, 04 World Series,

with his new girlfriend, Jennifer Garner, is a 100% approval rating. Just a win all the way around. It was like, we've got him back. He's back in the fall of Ben Affleck. Come back to us. It's kind of like a Nick Horner.

Burnby moment. That's the kind of thing that would be in a Nick Hornby book where it's like he's back by showing up at his favorite stadium with a girlfriend you can all approve of.

I wanted to walk over to him during the game and go, Ben, it's not your fault. It's not your fault. Just give him a big hug. Ben, it's not your fault. It's not your fault.

Jew is not your fault. Morowitz, age the best. The six chicks, just as a gimmick and just a group of mean girls in a rom-com has a 100% of success rate.

I don't think it's ever not worked. Yeah, because everyone can relate to that. Like, everyone knows that group from some point in their life. And also, having a really good name is important. So six chicks is great. And especially because it allows Maddie to say, you can't be in it. There's only six of them. Like, it's just, it works out really well.

They show up with shitty looks in their face. They're all kind of dressed the same. They have the different looks. There's always one tall one in the back. And then, Craig, buckle up because you probably didn't research this. Oh, you're going to say, Bree Larson? Brie Larson. He didn't research it.

I recognized her. Ashley Benson. He's also there. Ashley Benson from Pretty Little Liars, a show I did not watch. But Brie Larson, I am familiar with her career. Sure.

She's on the far right has a crappy look on her face. And then in the yearbook photos, when Jenna has ascended as a six chick, it seems like Brie Larson got pumped out. So I don't know. What do you think the mechanics of that one was, Juliet?

Maybe like where you get to stand in the row is like how close you are to the center of power. And she was obviously on the periphery, so she got pushed out. Yeah, and maybe a little too cute for Tom Tom. Tom had to became a zero-sum game. Had to get it out. Great point. Get Jen in there.

We also get the plastics a week later. Mean Girls came out a week after this one. So you have the six chicks and then the plastics seven days apart. You know, I'm glad you brought that up, Craig. I think that hurt this movie a little bit because Mean Girls was such a good high school movie. And it was right after and it became more of a thing. and I don't think it gave 13 going on 30 the stage, the runway that it needed.

You know what I mean? Morewood stage is best for me. I thought the mom-daughter casting of Kathy Baker with the 13-year-old who becomes Jennifer Garner was really good. Like they actually looked like their mother and daughter.

And I like the mom in general. I know I made a lot of mistakes, but I don't regret making any of them. Good high school yearbook quote. I thought the mom was just great in this movie. Nice, even killed. The next door neighbor gimmick in rom-coms

I just enjoy in general when somebody like, anyway, I ran a grande, thank you next. Yes. I'm less familiar with this one. Okay. But apparently,

big homage in that video to this movie. The funny thing is, there's also a big homage to mean girls in that video and a couple other movies. But yes, she has, she's carrying the dream house in that video. And it's a great video and a great song. Billy Joel, I have as what stage the best? This is always fun when movies do this. As Jenna softens during the movie, the production team adjusted her wardrobe and gave her warmer colors. But Lucy becomes ruthless and her fashion sense goes the other way and goes darker. It's always like subtle shit I would never think of as I'm watching a movie. The wardrobe in this movie is really,

really well done. And Jennifer Garner's worked with the costume designer like 10 times since this movie. Her name's Susie. The green thriller dress we mentioned ended up in a costume warehouse and Garner said she always gets asked where it is.

Apparently it was on Sex and the City on an Extra during a scene in a theater and that's the last time it's been seen. It looked pretty different on that extra. I saw the scene and it doesn't have like the cut out. It doesn't have the cut out. And it's just like, you wouldn't realize it was the same. It's actually like someone watching really closely must have pointed it out

because it doesn't even feel like the same dress. I have three more quick ones and I'll save my last one for last. Then we'll go to you. Billy Joel, I think in the mid-2000s on has aged incredibly. Yeah. 1987 mixtapes was right around the first era of mixtapes. I think they did a good job with that. and then

Matt's girlfriend Really attractive Anchor woman Moving to Chicago I gotta say Sounds like a dream girlfriend I don't know what Matt was thinking Well she denigrate

It's fine She denigrate Commuter couple I've never heard of that before Commuter couple in the first year of marriage It does not a term I knew But I like it I'm going to start using it

She denigrated his work When she said you could take pictures of vitamin bottles from Chicago So that wasn't so nice. Yeah, that wasn't nice, I guess. She was really attractive. Yeah, she was great. Also, Chicago, a great city.

You know, I support it. I could see him fitting in in Chicago. All right, I have one more, but you go. What do you have for what stage the best? Okay, I have a few. The topic of wardrobe, Mark Ruffalo. Like, everywhere he dresses is, like, so popular now. And also, like, kind of never went out of style for men.

And he's wearing, like, the Adidas, the CBGB shirt, but his pants fit. Like, everything about his style really works. I also noticed he has, like, a pendant light. over his dining room table and his apartment. That's also still very in. So I was impressed by that. I think that they nailed luxury really well,

like at the beginning when the guy at Poys turns to Jenna and goes two words, St. Bart's. Like, St. Bart's is still aspirational and, like, still where someone like that would want to go. Yeah, that's a good one. That's really. Also, at the end, Jenna's parents were like, it was something with the San Ysidro Ranch.

and her dad's like, Sandy's syndrome. And I'm like, yes. That remains quite luxurious. So like, I think those have lasted. And of course, I noted them. I think that New York City, like they chose shots of New York

that have not aged. Like, I was looking at the various addresses. Like, it's like 4-4-4-Madison. It's 61-5th. Like, those all look as good as they did then now and, like, won't change because they're like landmark buildings. And they also didn't pick any part of New York

that felt, gimmicky. Like, for example, in Big, Fayao Schwartz is gone. They also, it's right after 9-11, but they didn't even, like, touch anywhere too far downtown. They have a scene on the street in Tribeca that, like, looked like it could have been a Whitstellman movie or it could be today. Like, it just, they nailed New York, and they had a very limited time there, but they just picked really good exteriors, and it worked really well. So I had that as my Dennett thieves Benihana Award for Scene Stealing Location. happy, sunny, crime-free, 9-11 never happened to York. Totally.

And this is filmed a year and a half after 9-11. It never acknowledges it. It just moves forward. And it's like, look how great New York is. And I think it's one of the reasons this movie is sustained. Definitely. It's like sunny. It makes you feel good, like you said.

Yeah. I also just think like the, you mentioned it, but the pink slip dress is so, like, so, so, so good. People would wear that now. Yeah. That's my list. My last one, as you know, I love real estate. 61 5th Ab, 7C, Greenwich Village, did some recon on it. Probably 55K a month to rent from there now.

Definitely, yes. Really nice. There's a couple good wide shots of Google. It's a 10-story building, perfect location in Greenwich Village. And it's where, like, celebrities are living in that place. I was just walking around there last week, like very close to there. And I saw Alec Baldwin on the street. So yes, they are.

He and Hilaria were just leaving breakfast. Hmm, Hilaria. How's she doing? Was she good? She seemed like she was thriving. Her hair was like very voluminous. Good update. Great shot Gordo Award for most cinematic shot.

That shot of the Brooklyn Bridge in the background that so many people have gone for. But in that, I don't know, I've just seen it many times. It always works for me. Yeah, it was great. They kind of do both sides. At the beginning, they're eating the razzles, like walk in. and that's on the Manhattan side. And then when they go to the playground,

that's on the Brooklyn side, and it looks great both times. It's very beautiful. Chess Rockworld Brocklander's a word for best character names. It's got to be the six chicks. Oh, okay. What did you have? Well, I just thought we needed to talk about Matt Flamhouse.

That's like an awful, weird name. And it's so awful and weird, like, that it comes good. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, sure. Yeah, I could see that being like a dorky guy. It doesn't fit for Mark Ruffalo, but it fits for, like, the child actor. Handsome guy with a dorky name,

signifying that. that he might have been a doric way back when. And it's just like a not a name you'd want to say. Like if you were 13 and you're talking about your boyfriend, like your mom would be like, flam off? Like what kind of name is that? So it's not, it's just a funny, funny choice.

Fake cahuna burger wore best use of food or drink. Obviously razzles. I think throwing the shrimp at the party. It's a really good touch and really funny. Okay. That worked better for me. Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. So, and I'm writing this down as I'm watching the movie.

like go-go's head over hills, we get this twice. That's got to be the winner. No, it's definitely thriller, iconic movie scene. Then Vienna kicks in. It's like, oh, it's Vienna. That's our winner. Yeah, it's so amazing. It's such an incredible song.

And it use it, it's like, I can't think of many other movies that use Billy Joel's voice over like kind of like a sad montage that way. It's so well done. It's like kind of beautiful. Also, it includes a train scene. Who doesn't love a train scene?

Train scenes work. 100% of the time. Great shot of the character looking sadly at the window. Things are moving. Everyone can identify with it. Was there a better title for this movie? I don't think so.

Well, in Australia it was called Suddenly 30. And then like in every other country, they translated it in like a way that was suddenly 30. Because apparently they didn't think 13 going on 30 would track for other cultures. And I'm just like, do people not have the sound of music

in other countries? Because I am 16 going on 17 is pretty similar to 13 going on 30. So I was confused by that, but that is the individual name, or that's the Australian name. Craig, you like suddenly 30? No, I think 13 going on 30 is a better title.

Suddenly 30 is pretty good. I like suddenly 30. I also just think if you're starting over, 30 and flirty and thriving, I mean, that's the line of the movie. That's probably the porn parody of this. Juliet, you have a flex category. I would like to do the Vinty

Finns and Chase Award, I'll be sure this character was actually good at her job. Oh. Because I just have a lot of questions. So. I hope you're talking about Jenna. I'm talking about Jenna,

but I'm also talking about her boss, Andy Circus, slash Gollum. The way that he was so excited about the presentation, I have to wonder... Bravo! I have to wonder part of their problem

is not just that she's giving away their ideas, but that he has terrible taste. Yeah, obviously. if he had better taste, he wouldn't have liked that presentation. And I think that he just, I'm worried about his judgment. Also, don't have a poise party and invite the editor-in-chief from Sparkle. Keep for the fuck out.

Why is she even there? That was really weird. And then with Jenna, if you were committing some, you know, like IP theft or you're committing any kind of crime, do you keep evidence in your guest drawer? No, I bet in picking that. You're ripping that shit up at 7 o'clock on a Wednesday night. And like, why is there so much, like, paper trail involved in this? just make a phone call.

Like, I don't understand. So I just am worried that both of these people are not actually good at their jobs, despite the fact that he's an editor-in-chief and she's a rising star. I think it's a great call, and I don't think they were good at their jobs. That's why boys was in trouble. Which is Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. So she goes back, she's in the closet again. She's 13 again.

But she has the wealth of eight days of experience. of being 30 that she can now use going forward to basically reshape the next 17 years but still ends up with Matt like if you redo all this maybe Matt's life is completely different like we just go into the fucking twilight zone it doesn't track it's a problem

there's no way to explain it or no because in big the kid has no memory of anything he just shows up back home and doesn't remember anything that happened I think she does have memory of it though because she does Yeah, she does. I think so. There's a line that indicates that she remembers. And also, like, the way that she rips up the paper when Tom Tom comes back and everything

suggests that she's, you know, no longer interested in becoming this bad version. So she spent her high school life trying to destroy Tom Tom, basically, and be Queen Bee. Yeah. But also trying not to be a bad person. Yeah, I think so. She's like, kinder, but I guess like she's going to kill them with kindness. I don't see that working in high school, but, you know, maybe. And she's like, I'm just going to.

stretch it out here with Matt because I know in 17 years he's going to look like Mark Ruffalo. Yeah, I know where we're headed. He's going to be a really talented photographer. Yeah, okay. So she's just riding it out. What stage is the worst?

Jenna hits on a 13-year-old boy and asks for the catch-up. I can't believe the scenes of the movie. Yeah, it's a really tough one. In 2004, it's a tough one. It's really uncomfortable to watch. You're just like, no, this isn't working. And it is a little bit weird

the way she talks to the girl in the elevator, but obviously since it's not like sexual, it's fine. but all of the like 30-year-old talking to 13-year-old as herself. It's sort of the inverse of the big relationship. Oh, wow. I feel like that joke really landed for me. I thought it was a great punchline.

Like, to be honest, when they're like, oh, that guy's really into you. She's like, really? Him? He's cute. And then she walks past the adult and a 13-year-old. That's a great punchline. It's a joke. It's fine.

What was Liz's take on that? She agreed. She thought was cute and funny. Come on. All right. Okay, sure. I think that's getting cut now. Well, maybe.

I mean, it would be worse if the genders were swapped. But I think the older woman talking to the teenage boy is like, not a huge deal. Well, the funniest thing about it, though, it's like the sexiest she looks in the movie is in that scene,

like in that black dress, like her hair up. It's like they really turn up her sex appeal in that scene. So it's... The bigger issue with that scene is, her friend is going, there's some hottie checking you out

and it's just some... The guy who's not a hottie. I don't know why the other actor must have called it. Judy Greer would have taken Jenna to the insane asylum after that moment. Like, there's no way she would have allowed her

to just continue existing as a human. No question. Seven minutes in heaven? Hmm. That's gone? Feels like a long New Yorker piece about terrible things that happened during seven minutes of heaven.

I don't know. Maybe 90 seconds. What about consensual? Or just in the closet for seven minutes. Seems better than, like, doing drugs. I don't know. What did Matt call it seven minutes of seven minutes of rapist or something? Yeah.

I guess he was ahead of his time. There's no email or internet in this movie, even though it's 2004. Come on. Right. Yeah. Like, Jenna could be emailing her. Where was the scene of her being like, what is this? I can send a note and somebody gets it?

Like, I don't know. That's an easy one. I had a problem with all the hockey stuff. Well, I would, yeah. The hockey stuff, yes, is really bad. I mean, it's pretty much an insult to hockey players to seem so incredibly lame, goofy, have no muscle tone and no self-awareness. It's just like really bad.

So this guy, first of all, the 2004 New York Rangers went 27 and 40. Okay. They weren't exactly light in the city on fire that year. So we'll start there. The guy who plays Alex Carlson, we've all known hockey players in high school and college. Maybe even you know a couple pros. They don't act like Alex Carlson. They're all kind of like stoic and cool.

Yeah. They do not have personality across the board. There's no like gregarious hockey player. They're all like, hey, you just got to go out there and do our thing. So I don't know where this guy came from. I mean, the goofy stripties, that's an nadir. That's really tough. It's the worst scene in the movie.

I have that as well. Jenna's apartment, as nice as it was, I didn't like some of the decor. I thought the kitchen cabinets look cheap. It did, yeah. Some of the furniture was cheap. Yeah. Only 30.

And then my last one was she's not curious enough about 2004. And they missed the easiest Michael Jackson joke possible where they show her like, here's our Michael Jackson cover and she's like, who's that? It's just sitting there. She hasn't seen Michael Jackson in 17 years. That's a great point.

I don't know how they missed that one. But they missed a couple like, wait, that's that now. And they just, it's like a scene missing almost. Yeah, like she doesn't have like Will Ferrell and Elf when he gets to New York. And he's like, what is this? Like there could have been a few more,

a few more of those. Yeah, I think also Tracy from the art department's husband when he comes in and, like, tries, he says, like, rat out of field drawers last week. Yeah, that was weird. That was really bad.

That was, like, in a different movie. I was like, who is this person? And that just, like, stuck out. They're just trying to show that she's an awful person. Yeah, I guess. Right. Yes, it just, like, didn't work, though.

And it's just weird and, uh, didn't care for that guy. Um, I also thought they were, like, making fun of plastic surgery. At one point, um, Mark Ruffel character,

like, refers to the plastic surgery movement, as if it, something that's like happened and is over. Yeah. Just wait, Mark Ruffalo. Yeah. I was just like, that's, yeah, that didn't quite work. It's like, I don't know, just again, like a different plane or something. Didn't work for me. Ruffalo Hannah Rubin and Perchage overacting word.

It's got to be the strip tease with the New York Ranger, right? Yeah. It's so bad. Or the guy coming into her office and trying to make out with her. So both really bad. And he thinks sexual in this movie is not well done. Like, it's a very, like, neutered movie and they shouldn't have even tried. The strip tease is terrible.

Yeah, Big was able to somehow pull it off, I think, because of the gender switch, but also they just, Penny Marshall's directing it. I just, they did a better job with it. What do you have for the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford Hottest Take Award? My hottest take about this movie is, it is not a rom-com. It's a teen movie. Interesting. Okay.

Because, first of all, they don't end up together in like the main timeline that we're in. It requires time travel for them to end up together. and ultimately the character of Jenna is 13. Like everything about like her perspective of the movie is from a 13 year old and it actually is really well done. But as a result, there's not this like professional woman who's like somehow wayward finding, you know,

back to finding this guy who like changes things for her. And there's no like threat to their relationship that they have to overcome in the course of the movie that evolves. Like everything, all the cards are on the table. He has a fiancee. She's actually 13. And so, it's really about a teenager, like, realizing who they want to be.

It's in, like, the couple itself is like, you're happy that Jenna got a happy ending, but really the moral of the story is, like, be a nice person and your life will be better. So I think that since the romance is so secondary to everything that Jennifer Garner is doing as Jenna, that's not really a rom-com. It's a non-sexual adult movie that's actually a teen movie. Yeah, exactly. I like it. Not even sure that's a hottest take.

You might just be right. Thank you. Thank you so much. Mine is for almost 30 years from 1977 to 2004. Vienna was the single most underrated great pop song we had. And I still think it's one of the best pop songs of all time. I would put it with Wonderwall and Hey Jude and I Will Always Love You, Pick a Song. I think it's perfect start to finish.

It's perfectly sung. The lyrics are amazing. And for whatever reason, it took everybody 28 years to figure out how to put this in a fucking movie. And it turned out to be this weird Jennifer Garner movie. And they fucking nailed it. And it was just sitting there for anybody for two and a half decades. And nobody

unlocked it. It's so good. It is such a great song. I think it's his best song. And he even says, he thinks it's one of his two best. And he said he attributes its late popularity of the film adding, that's a movie that was so popular with girls and girls

are mostly enthusiasm for where that song comes. It's a coming of age song. slow down you crazy child. So I guess it resonates with younger people. As a lifelong Billy Joel fan, that song was awesome the whole fucking time. And Vienna and Summer Highland Falls were his two great songs that for some reason

weren't as popular as like 12 other Billy Joel songs and I never understood it. So they finally unlocked it. It's a great song. I completely agree with you. I love the piano in it, which is obviously his signature, but like it really stands out.

It's so beautiful. The funny thing is I became a really big fan of the song within like the last like 10 years because my Spotify algorithm has pushed it on me so hard. And willingly, I'm like happy to be here. Like, I love it. I knew it from the movie mainly. But I don't think it has like a, it's like a niche song.

It's like a B-side. Even though it's so great. I know. It's a great, great, great song. And it's the scene in the movie is unlike any other scene. It's like, because it's a different type of song than the rest of the soundtrack. Like, it just really sets it off. It's really beautiful.

I have another personal connection with this song. Okay. When my daughter was 10 in fifth grade and her class, everybody got to do some sort of talent show thing for a minute. And she sang Vienna and she fucking crushed it. And it was like one of like my parent highlights of my life. That's amazing. I vaguely remember that when that happened actually. Yeah.

It was her voice was like perfect 10 year old voice like probably like the peak of what her voice was. And she just crushed the song. But nobody knew the song. So all the parents were like, I love that song. They were all fired up about it. That's great. Casting What Ifs. Gwyneth Paltrow, Hillary Swank, Renee Zell Wigger,

were all backups if Jennifer Garner couldn't do this movie. I don't think any of those work. Me neither. Renée Zell Wager is probably a little too old, I think. I think mid-90s, Renee Zell Wigger. I think it works. Yeah, like Empire Records, Renee Zell Wigger. Yeah, plus she's already been in Jerry McGuire.

It's like weird. Yeah, I don't see it. Me neither. I do think that young Jenna looks like Hillary Swank, but I definitely don't see you with Hillary Swank. And then, you know, funny enough, Gwyneth Paltrow did like the host, the flight attendant movie with Mark Ruffalo.

So they got their swing together, but that movie was not good. No. Casting director said if Ruffalo turned it down, Paul Rudd and Sam Rockwell were next on the list. And then... Paul Rott, I could definitely see in that role. He would be...

Young Matt, young Matt and young Jenna, they did the test audiences, hated them. They had to reshoot all of it with different actors and it worked better. I don't think young Matt is that good. Yeah, I was surprised to even know about that. Considering it, I didn't feel like they landed in an incredible spot.

No. Joey Pants Award for Best That Guy. I think Kathy Baker is Kathy Baker, even though Craig would say she's a that lady. But it's clearly Gallum. Yeah. I said that he's like so famous. He's been in so many movies over the last like 20 years.

So who would you have then? Mine is Kirsten Warren, who plays Trish, the editor-in-chief of Sparkle at the party. The Frizzy lady? I was like, I know that voice. I know that voice. Saved by the bell the college years. Oh my God.

That's a good one. I like that show. Me too. I was like, I know her. I know her. I know her. And then I was her. She's the winner.

Great call. Yeah. Deon Waiter's Award. I can give you young Tom Tom. I can give you the Frisie editor of Sparkle. He just talked about. I can give you Chris Grundy driving the cab. It's Grandi. Come on.

Chris Brandy. Respect him. But it's clearly Arlene the assistant. It's Arlene. Just hitting home runs left every scene. Crying at the end during the worst pitch ever in a magazine. I loved Arlene. I don't know who that actress is, but great job by her.

I also love when Jennifer Garner's like leaving the office. I think it's to go to the photo shoot and she goes to Arlene. Aren't you coming? And Arlene's like so surprised but so happy to be included. Yeah. I loved it. Love Arlene. Recasting couch director, City.

I can give you Tim Curry as Gollum. Gollum's part is the magazine editor. Just passed away, by the way. How about Ryan Reynolds? Ryan Reynolds is Alex Carlson. Canadian? That's interesting. That's interesting.

Early in the career, like Post-Vane Wilder, a little more famous. Would it be fun to see him in this. I'm just checking when the proposal came out. The proposal was in 2009. Yeah, just thinking about him before that. And I guess he's like definitely maybe Ryan Reynolds at this point. He's about to be Amityville.

horror, make a bunch of bad movies in a row? I'm always just thinking with Ryan Reynolds. I'm very anti-Ryan Reynolds, having nothing to do with the recent stuff with Justin Baldoni. You've never liked them. No. Ever since I've known you, you've always been out. Yes. And I just don't, I think he works in the proposal because there's something sort of like

sycophantish about him and that. We're like, you like his family so much, you let you buy it. You're like, yeah, she would want to join this family. But he's just not likeable. And I just feel like he would want Jenna's approval. so much more than Maddie ends up wanting it as an adult. Can I offer you Mark Paul Gossilar then? Wow.

Yeah. He was the most important actor for me from like 1986 to 1992. Actually, when I was born until I was six. Right around that, right age range. That would be good. Yeah, I could see that. I could see that working. What about Scott Wolf?

Scott Wolf would have been great. Short. Jennifer Garner is tall. That is true. Yeah. He's got to be at least two inches taller. Okay. Okay. I was going to say, I think this movie works in almost any city. Even though I think they nail New York, I think you could move it to almost any city.

Chicago during the summer. Yeah. Boston easily. I think even L.A. Like, I really do. Like, I think you can do this almost anywhere. St. Francisco in the 2000s. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Craig, you have a flex category. You're going to come on in the Zoom for this or are you going to stay anonymous? I can come on to Zoom. Oh, thanks, man. I'm sure. I was going to do Lena Dunham

Running Spawn Ranch Award Most Jarring casting for Andy Circus because I've just recently gotten into Lord of the Rings and I'm like, holy shit, that's Smeagel, right in the office. But you guys hit that appropriately. My precious. Yeah.

We used to have a category that I don't believe is in the flex list anymore called Best Hang Worst Hang. Remember that? Oh, that should be in that. That must have been accidentally deleted. Say what you will about the actor and how good he is in it,

I think the character of young Maddie kind of a sneaky great hang. Like, kind of an independent king solo dancing to talking heads at the party was kind of awesome. Like he just has great taste in music. He's a photographer. He's building, he's like woodworking.

I love that he was like, I love that everybody, he's a hobbyist. Everybody shit on him at this party. And he goes, I'm going to go home and get my keyboard guitar. Like, as if Matt's going to save the party, he comes back and he's going to play a song.

I actually thought he was really likable and have a good personality for somebody who's supposed to be like a huge nerd. You seem kind of fine to me, like a decent hang. 100%. Absolutely would have been friends with Matt in the 80s. Yeah, totally. I think he's a good dude.

That's a good one. That's good. Halfass internet research. Not a ton here except for the Krista B. Allen played 13-year-old Jenna and then did it again and ghost of girlfriend's past where she played Jennifer Garner's younger version.

In seven minutes of heaven, you can see actual photos of Jennifer Groner. as a child on the back of the door. And then there's a scene when Jenna breaks up with Alex Carlson, which was deleted. But you can find on the Blu-ray special features, which I'm sure you have.

Yes. I don't think I have that anymore, but I definitely had the DVD of this when I was in college. There's no doubt about that. Apex Mountain. Jennifer Garner, I think, is a yes. Wow.

She's got, she's on alias. This movie makes almost $100 million, and she starts dating Ben Affleck. I think this is Apex. as an actress I have to agree like I don't think her acting career has like gotten bigger since then

like that's sort of been like she's more famous now but yeah back then you would have said like oh she's gonna be Julie Roberts yeah I mean it's funny because like we haven't mentioned the fact that she's like

been the capital one lady for a long time and she took she took once upon a farm public within the last year like she has all these other revenue streams but as an actress

like it's because what you talked about before it became secondary in some ways, one movie a year or whatnot. So I guess I agree with you. She's certainly richer now. More famous. Money making Jen Garner, maybe this wasn't the apex.

No, but I think her capital one money must be immense. I can't even imagine. Everybody likes her impeccable reputation. I get why. I've watched a lot of like wacky Jen videos because I like to have the reasoning for why I'm a fan.

And she is so charming. And I did get to meet her once when I was doing this Felicity Project. I interviewed her. And she was, There was no reason for her to say yes. Like there's no reason for her to do a lot of stuff. She did a lot of press around the 20th anniversary of this movie.

And I was just kind of like, why? Like, she always something that she could be promoting. But it seems like she was just like, yeah, sure, me and Judy Greer, we'll do an interview with Vogue. Why not? So I think she's just like a great person. How many times can I say it? Beloved Hollywood lady.

Mark Ruffalo, no. Razzles, unless you want to say in the 80s, but this was probably the most prominent razzles we've ever had. I only know about them from this movie. Yeah, so there you go. 2000's fake fashion magazines as TV or movie plots? It's tough. Would you go in the 2010s for this?

I think that how to meet a guy in 10 days is sort of like the bigger magazine rom-com. It's on the list, by the way. Yeah, so I think that one probably would be the apex mountain for that. Like, I think I was looking into this for the pod of all of like the women who have played like TV producers, advertising execs, or like, And I think that the two biggest ones in my opinion are Eva Mendez and Hitch, which you guys just did.

And Kate Hudson and How to Lose a Guy. So I think of those two are bigger. Is this your resume to do the How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days podcast? Because it's been on the list for a while. It is the Sacramento Kings, New York Knicks, NBA finals. I just wanted to do the pod to talk about that for 10 minutes. I'm just happy to be here, Bill. Anytime you ask, I'll be here.

So you let me know. Madonna's crazy for you. The answer is no. What is it for that song? It's actually when it came out and it was on the Vision Quest soundtrack and has a really important moment of Vision Quest and I feel like that was a huge song

and I don't think it needed this movie to become a big song. So I'm going to say mid-80s for that. Thrillers, obviously, mid-80s. Obviously. Sam Ball, the actor who played the hockey player, Alex Carlson, Apex Mountain.

It's always a red flag when you look at the IMDB and he's had multiple names. There's the Samuel Ball stage for him. Then he was Sam Ball. That's going to be a sag thing, right? Like having to change his name around? Yeah. Well, I hope to never see him again.

Like, no offense, but this movie didn't... Don't worry. I don't think you had. Post 9-11, feeling good about New York City again, movies? It's in the running. I think it's Spider-Man and Spider-Man too, with Toby McGuire. But those are up there, too.

just because those are like, you know, like superhero movies in a way. Yeah, and like Spider-Man comes out in 2002 and it's such a beautiful view of New York. And like, there's a savior. A great movie. Judy Greer, no. No.

I think, what's her apex mountain? That's a tough one. But I don't think it's this. I mean, I do think acting wise, the descendants. She's fantastic in that. And that's, but, oh, it's tough.

That's a, thing. Her career, there hasn't really, there wasn't like the moment. She was just always Judy Greer reliable. She's not exactly a character actress, but she's just sort of like, she's like a second banana all the time. And she's never like the person you're showing up for, but you're always glad she's there. She's like the best person to have a party. You're hoping five-day weekend season two, maybe a lot more Judy Greer than season two. She wants to say it's called five-star weekend. Please respect it. And five-day weekend. Well, that too.

They packed a lot in. Yeah, I hope Electra is back. She was great. Okay. But my favorite person that shows Regina Hall, carry on. She was great. Using an umbrella self-defense, yes. So great.

Rom-com characters cruelly breaking up a wedding for their own self-interest. I could offer you my best friend's wedding a lot like love or 13 going on 30 as three candidates, unless there's another one I'm not thinking of. It has to be Julia Roberts.

I mean, it's my best thing. I think so. It's the whole premise of the moment. movie. Yeah. And the purple dress. Yeah. She's basically an evil person in the movie.

We've covered in the rewatchables. Yeah. That's like, it's dark. It's my girl Cameron Diaz. She's so good in that. Of course, he chooses her. And then Vienna,

the song, I think this was Apex Mountain. It completely rejuvenated it. And it became, it finally got the acclaimant deserved for 27 years. Yeah. I agree with you. I mean, and I can't think of another movie

that could use it this way. It's great. It's perfect. Cruz or Hanks? Hanks. Hanks, for sure. Hanks is Ruffling. Yeah.

I didn't prep you for this category. Okay. 1977, Goldie Hawn, 1991, Julia, 2011 Emiston, or 2026, Zendaya. Hmm. I think it's Emma Stone of those. I think it's Emma Stone. I think Emma Stone would have crushed this movie. She would have been great.

She would have been great. And I think she has the physicality for that really important first scene. And she is like, similar to Jennifer Garner, she's not attainable, but she can present in a movie as a regular person in terms of her attractiveness.

I'll go one step further. Craig, give me your thoughts on this. Emma Stone, I think she plays herself as the 13-year-old. I think she goes all in. She's like, I don't need a 13-year-old.

I can do it. I'm not good. Oh. Yeah. Plays herself at 13 and 30. Nobody's done it in a body switch movie before. Yeah, Yorgos Lantamos can film it.

Yeah, I think that would be good. She uses like CGI or the CGII. I think she could have done it. The David Caruso Stuffful Legends Award for character who definitely should have been spun off into their own sequel. A Lucy sequel, I think, could have been interesting. For sure. Lucy running Sparkle magazine and then has a new competitor and it's, you know, Lindsay Lohan or whoever in 05 would have worked. Yeah.

I think that would have been great. There's way more to that character. I'm still wondering why she's called TomTom. Like, you know, I've got a lot of questions. Yeah, why is she called Tom Tom? I don't know. I'd love to find out. Tom Tom Cat?

I guess. I have no idea. Pick and Nits. I have a few. Oh, my God. I mean... I'm going to turn the floor to you because I have so many. I'll turn the floor to you and then I'll mop up what you didn't get.

I mean, the biggest one we already talked about is like, how does she live her life knowing that she had this alternate life that she's done undone? Like, that just like doesn't make any sense. You know, I have a lot of New York stuff. the address 61 5th Avenue is actually 11th Street, but they frequently show 12th Street. Oh, you're going deep. Well, I looked at all the exteriors. New York is...

Also, she lives in the village, and they're like, he's in the village, and she goes, what's the village? But she's already in the village, right? Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't... It doesn't really work. And, like, of course, every New York movie, you have to wonder, like,

how could she get there so quickly and all of that. I was also wondering how Maddie just like doesn't really have any work like it doesn't seem like he actually does anything his girlfriend does refer to him like taking pictures of vitamin bottles but as far as I can tell he's actually unemployed and just kind of always home slash available

Yeah he should have been talking a lot about fantasy football He's in like three leagues Yeah And then he's a huge Knicks fan or something He needed some sort of hobby other than I'm an unemployed photographer Who just kind of hangs around Probably a huge pothead I feel like What happened?

probably a huge pothead too. I feel like that guy smoking a lot of weed. Probably. This might come up, but like he kind of sucks. Like he's sort of a loser. See, I feel like that's a Ruffalo thing, but I enjoy it because I don't think he wants to be in this movie.

It's true. But I do feel like his energy actually works for the movie because he doesn't want to be in the movie. Everything with making a magazine is totally devoid from reality. Like, they could have made it a little bit more realistic. Like when Andy Circus brings up the redesign and they're all like, that is a death sentence

or like the R word. It's just kind of like actually that's not true. Like magazines work. Yeah, they really do. It's like, you know, a relaunch and no way to get some attention. So I had a lot of issues with that. And I also just thought that some of the stuff like in her

apartment like when she's going through her clothes and whatnot like she just would have had so many more questions and to your point, she could have like looked some stuff up. Like she could have sat down at like that you've got mail-style giant computer. Yeah. Like, then, like, just ask some questions, essentially. And that really stuck out.

I have a few really hardcore ones. Okay. The six chicks are dressed like it's 1985 and not 1987. Okay. I actually wanted to ask you about that specifically. I was in high school in the mid-80s. They're dressed like it's 85. 87, the hair is starting to get bigger.

We're big hair across the board. Nobody has the big hair. They're, like, more in, like, the, first two years of Madonna era retro look, and it's just not accurate. Jenna's dad's video camera just didn't exist in 1987. Okay. I had video cameras from day one. They were super bulky.

You needed a battery on the side. It was the camera attached to the thing to lug it around. It was like 50 pounds. Nobody had a camera like that in 1987. Okay. Matt should have been way more dumbfax. and alarmed by how actually truly crazy Jenna was. And it's just not hammered home enough.

He's just going with it because she's hot. And I just think there would have been more questions. For her, so she becomes an adult, goes to those, she starts throwing. She basically litters all the time. Do 13-year-olds just litter? I'm embarrassed to. I know they're saying it's a sign of immaturity, but I'm positive I didn't do that when I was 13.

Like, I eat a shrimp and just throw it over my shoulder. Who does that? I'm embarrassed to say that I used to litter. I did. It's really a dark time in my past. I'm sorry to even have to admit to it, but I'm just trying to be honest with you here. I did use to litter.

I regret it. I would never do it now. Craig's hard. Craig just left the Zoom. Craig hates littering. I know what's wrong. It's really rude to the people around you. It's just a terrible thing to do.

Okay. Julie, it's pro-littering. The parents would have redone the basement. At some point. Jen is out of there. for college in their 20s. Like at some point, you're redoing it. You're putting like a wine cellar down there.

Like, they obviously have some money because they go away for trips and stuff. I just don't think they're leaving the basement exactly the same 17 years later. You're doing something. You're doing some sort of remodel. You're putting a TV down there. You're not just leaving intact. It's probably a computer. Jenna, for the moment she becomes 30, just eats like crap for the entire movie.

And you think they're setting up a scene where she's like, I can't fit in these jeans anymore. And they just don't. They let it go. Oh, interesting. She's eating chitos and candy and pizza and it just, it's just bouncing off her. Isn't that kind of like the freshman 15? Like, I guess like you gain weight in college.

But like you're free for the first time and you're just able to like eat whatever you want. Never happens in this movie. That's true. That's true. You mentioned evil Jenna. No way she keeps the letters to sparkle. Just, hey, they're in the top drawer of my desk in case anybody wants to go through and I'll get fired. here's a big one.

Well, my two biggest ones. The class of 2004 Sparkle magazine ad is on the bus in 12 hours. Yes. They've stolen the ideas. She walks out of the office. It's on the bus already. This is the most miraculous ad campaign anyone's ever had. That did not make any sense.

And he's like, it's already everywhere overnight. That made no sense. Agreed. Like, the bus ads are booked far in advance. This is my wife's biggest one. Okay. The fiancé. of Mark Ruffalo this whole time

they're dating, they're about to get married, he's been keeping this dollhouse of Jenna in his closet. It's just tucked away in the top and then Jenna shows up and she's like, oh, who are you? And, you know, you're going to be, probably this woman's going to be on your radar.

It's like, oh my God, this is the lady that my fiance made a fucking dollhouse of and then kept for the next seven, years. I'm on high alert. I've got to destroy this lady. Nothing. Bats his offer. Yeah, keep it in your closet.

Especially because he has a picture of Jenna in a bathtub in that dollhouse. It's like really weird. That's a good one. Craig, if Liz, you move in with Liz and you're like, yeah, top left shelf

of the closet, just going to have my dollhouse of this girl I was obsessed with when I was 13. Does Liz move out at that point? What happens? Yeah, she probably throws that thing off the balcony and smashes it. Yeah, that's the thing. You smash the dollhouse. It's me or the dollhouse. You're picking right now. Especially because Ruffalo's character is like all pretending that he's like,

hey, Jenna, I moved on. That was 17 years ago. You didn't move on. I barely remember you. It's like polishing off that dollhouse once a week, I bet. It's a big dollhouse. It's not like it's like this little tiny thing. He's shoving in the drawer. It's like taking up actual size. Isn't the dollhouse at his parents' house, though? like it comes back in the final scene and he hands it to her. Yeah, but he's not taking the fiancé back to the parents' house?

Yeah, I guess he's probably. It is in the parents' house. But why did he keep it? Well, the fiance is not going to go through his room? Well, related to that, why are they getting married to his parents' house? I heard they went to the Sandy Cidro Ranch so they could have a much nicer wedding. It's another rom-com trope. Everybody gets married at somebody's house in a movie.

I will say. Meanwhile, I've never been to a wedding. I've been to 70 weddings. I've never been to a wedding at somebody's house. I've been to two home weddings. They're both in the Hamptons. And home weddings are actually incredibly expensive. If you do it like in the Hamptons,

you have to bring everything in all of like, you need to have like generators, catering, a floor put down. Julie, it's so lot of that. Craig, have you been to a home wedding? I've been to a backyard wedding, yes. Well, a backyard wedding is more like what they had. But I'm just saying if he's going to San Isidro,

I think he can afford a wedding like at a hotel or something like that. Also, it's still weird if the dollhouse, is at the parents' house. Like, I'm sorry. If... Yeah, they're throwing that out. If my parents were holding on to some dollhouse that I built a girl

when I was 13 years old and Liz saw that when she's 30 years old, that means they want you to get back together with that girl. Also, they also say that she threw the dollhouse at him. Yeah, so it should have, like, broken. He must have fixed it. That's even weirder.

Sequel, prequel. I got a list of her email suggesting a tweak here. sequel, prequel, streamer, all black cast, spin-off, remake, or untouchable. Now we have six choices, seven choices for this. The answer is remake. Ironically, Netflix, March 2026,

this movie's on Netflix right now, announced that they are doing a remake. It is directed by Brett Haley. It stars Emily Bader and Logan Lerman. I like Logan Lerman. I love Logan Lerman. Yeah, he's great. He's good. She was in a previous Netflix movie, the people we meet on vacation.

Original cast members, Jennifer Garner and Judy Greer, spotted doing cameos. I think Garner is a producer. Like, she's an EP on it, I think. I'll give it a whirl. Of course. Yeah, me too. I'm interested. Logan Lourman's a good pick.

It's like 30% chance that's good. 70% chance it's disappointing. And a 100% chance my wife will watch it and love it with my daughter. So there you go. Yeah, I'll definitely give it a shot. And Jennifer Garner, like, supporting it, that's a good sign. This, I'm surprised, was not the remake was not just a streamer. I mean, like a one-season streamer show.

Like I haven't already done it, you're saying? Yeah, the first episode is everything her in high school leading up to the body switch. The second episode, she wakes up. You have that whole first season of her trying to figure out what to do when she's 30. it's kind of weird this didn't happen that way. I agree with that. I think that like the problem with the streamer rom-coms, like why they're not as high quality,

is because there's not as much like time committed to answering those questions. And so it would really change kind of the approach from all these shows. For like the Amazon Y.A. shows that they do. Well, that's all mapped out. This would be an Amazon Y.A. show. That's true. That's true. Those shows have gotten like more.

This would need to be raunchier. We need to have like or like a real sexual aspect to it because those shows all have them, whether it's like, raunchy or kind or whatever. But that's really missing from this movie that's present in those TV shows now. Craig, what do you think if they remade this?

But when she turns 30, she becomes a male hockey player and then it becomes like heated rivalry. That's good. That plays now, you know? Yeah. I mean... It's now Matt.

Matt's playing hockey. Or maybe Matt is involved with the hockey player. I don't know. They heated rivalry up. That's off campus. That'd be great. Great show. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Forest,

St. Low, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, Ted Levine, or someone else. Did you have anyone for this? Well, there's not that many people in this movie, which is what I was thinking about. Like, there's kind of four people in it, maybe six if you include Alex Carlson and the fiancé. So my answer to that is no.

Like, we're good with this small cast. I would like Kirk Kurb Street on the director's commentary. Does he do hockey too? Now, Kirk Cerb Street during the magazine pitch is like, yeah, it's a great pitch by Jenna. She looked over the room and she nailed the pitch, Al. Just what Oscar who gets it. Can the soundtrack get an Oscar? Yeah, I think so.

Sure. They have Oscars for soundtracks? They have, they usually have original song. I don't think they have, like, licensed song. I feel like best put together soundtrack should be either an Oscar or Grammy. Maybe it's, maybe it is a Grammy. I think, uh, I don't. I don't know.

I think the soundtrack is great. For me, it is definitely the costumes and the wardrobe. It's like just so well done. And I know that Jennifer Gardner has worked with that woman many more times. Her name is Susie DeSanto. And it's like, to me, it's why the movie has transcended culture is because of the dresses and the way that she wears them. And yeah, there's no question. Do you have a probably unanswerable question for this movie?

I mean, like I said, I'm wondering why she's named Tom Tom. We can't find out unless they add more to it. I also would like to know what is the first issue of Sparkle that Judy Greil be overseeing Lucy. Perrin Sheik? Want much more of her, yeah.

So I had as my first one, who ultimately won the Poise versus Sparkle battle in the 2000s? I think the answer is neither. I think Us Weekly just, knocks both of them out and it's over. Probably. I was subscribing to both, so that's true.

My other Annispo is the R-rated version of this movie is really interesting. And I'm glad they didn't do it. But there's a whole raunchier version of this movie that you probably can do with Cameron Diaz. Yeah. Where Jen has sex for the first time. But I don't think she can be 13 in that scenario. I think the R-rated version, Mark Ruffalo already did. It's called Poor Things.

Right, right. Where he's kind of in the same situation. Yeah. I watched him do a chicken shop date video just about that actually and he was like, yeah, I agree with you. Yeah. I don't think this movie makes $100 million and lives on forever

if it's art. No. Memorability you'd most want from this movie. It's either the dollhouse or the dress. I think it's the jacket that she wears to work on the first day. It's that Nanette Lepore jacket that she wears over the slip dress for me. But I guess the famous thriller dress is probably like the... The thriller dress is making you the most money if you on eBay in 2010.

Yes, definitely. The jacket, Lily Reinhardt just wore on her press tour. Like she went to the designer. She had like one in her basement. She borrowed it and they gave it back. So it's like still,

there's like a few of them out there. Wow. Yeah. This is great information, Juliet. Thanks. Bringing it to the table. Thank you. I'm trying.

Coach Finstock, Mr. Maragi, where best worst life lesson. I can give you, I don't want to be original. I want to be cool. I think that's a bad life lesson. or you can't just turn back time. That's profound.

That's really deep. Or slow down, you crazy child. You're so ambitious for a juvenile. Can I give you one from the great Kathy Baker? Those aren't real people, honey. Those are models.

Hmm. It's one of those. Pick the way. For me, it's that. Double feature choice. I think it has to be big, unless you want to do Freaky Friday. I think it's big.

I think you do big first than this. Yeah. And also this movie like intentionally nods to big. So like it's inviting you to do that. So I think it's a pretty easy choice. And then who won the movie Jennifer Garner? Jennifer Garner, obviously. I mean, she wins it so many things.

Craig, come into the Zoom. What do you got for us? I'm not ashamed to admit I'd never seen this movie. Oh. Wow. It's shocking. I was nine years old. And I was a boy and I'm sure many nine-year-old boys my age did not watch this film.

And, you know, by the time I was like 16, I was watching super bad. I wasn't going back and watching 13 going on 30. This is one of Liz's favorite movies. She was extremely excited to watch this movie. I'm so not surprised to hear that. It was probably the most amp she's been for rewatchables in a long time. Wow. I really enjoyed it.

I was so impressed by Jennifer Garner, who I didn't realize how little of a relationship I had to. Like, I see her more around Brentwood than I think I've seen her in movies. Like, I see her at my barbershop because she brings her kid in. And I, but I realized going through her IMDB, I'm like, Juno, she's in draft day with Costner. Like, what else did I really seen her in? Ghost of Girlfriend's Past, I think I saw, but it's remarkable. You know, people talk about how there's like a joke that young people know of Paul Newman as like the guy from on salad dressings, you know? Like they don't actually realize as an actor.

What Juliet said is completely true. where I think of the majority of people in their 20s, probably think of Jennifer Gardner as the Capital One lady who was married to Ben Affleck. And I just thought she was so good. I thought her physical acting was, like, amazing and really subtle. I think, like, even the scene in the beginning where she's waking up and it's more of the big, broad stuff was great.

But the whole movie, like, even the way she's drinking the Pina Colada, she's taking these, like, giant gulps. Yeah. Because she's, like, so excited to drink it. Super impressed with her. I thought she was totally, like, fantastic in it. And I actually think... having seen this only for the first time as somebody in his early 30s,

I kind of think this movie is better to see in your 30s than 13. I think you can appreciate the humor more. Make case for both. Yeah. Because I watched my daughter live through it as she was growing up, and she also loved it and really identified with the teen stuff, but my wife loved it because she saw it when she was in her 30s. There's a couple adult themes that are pretty good.

I think the scene where she's trying to break up Ruffalo's wedding, and Ruffalo has that moment where he was like, look, I'm going to marry this woman, all right? Like, you have to live with the consequences of the choices that you made. And she's like, okay, and she leaves. Which is like a pretty sad, poignant moment for a 13-year-old girl to, like, live with. And then even when she's with her mom at the house and she's like, I'm sorry I didn't come to Christmas last year. I'm like, I'm at the age now.

I'm like, wow, that's a real thing. Like, how often do you see your parents at that age? So, yeah, I thought this movie was really enjoyable. Yeah, it does flip the rom-com thing because you think in any rom-com they end up together at the wedding. You know, she steals her way and they leave the wedding and they drive off end of the movie.

And this one, he's like, no, I'm marrying this lady. Yeah. You blew it. Yeah. It's done. It's good. Oh, Craig. He's in.

Yeah. Could be watching this one with his kids someday. I also recently watched Clueless for the first time. That's insane. That's crazy. I don't know. Jesus. Which I think, like,

I think 13 going on 30 holds up much better. Clueless is really fun and charming, but I think this movie age is better to watch as an adult. Clueless is very, Yeah, very of its age. It's a time capsule, yeah, 1995. It's very sticky. But this movie holds on, I think 13 going on 30 is not as sticky.

I think also L.A. has changed in a way in the movie that you can identify so much, whereas with this movie, New York, they chose, like, kind of timeless locations. The reality is the soundtrack of this movie will make this a 50 to 60 year run for this movie and the streamers. And it's just not going to go away. Yeah. And the mother-daughter aspect of it. Like, there aren't that many movies like this.

I think this is why Gilmore Girls is also so popular because people can watch it as a young person or with their mom or then as a mom. Like, when you can capture both ends of, like, that spectrum, it lasts a very long time. 100%. This was great. Juliet, I had a fantastic time.

Craig, thank you as always. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo and Chris as well. And then we watch both sides. We will see you. See in a week.