The Rewatchables - ‘A Bronx Tale’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan would rather be feared than loved after rewatching Robert De Niro’s directorial debut film, ‘A Bronx Tale,’ starring Chazz Palminteri, De Niro, and Lillo Brancato Jr. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You finally got Mallory Rubin off that feed. Congratulations, man. They got their own feet. Thank God. I'm glad the chemistry is so much better now. Sean Fantasy, the big picture. Hey. C.R.

What are you up to? I haven't seen you in a while. I'm only on the rewatchables. I live for it. You bet this is it. Did you guys spin off the black hat feed? Is there just every episode? Black Cat might be doing that once a year now.

Computing with CR. Listen, CR was able to explain what actually happened in that movie, and now it's going to be a belated classic. CR's got some nerds mad in them. Do I? Yeah. Oh, because it was Soka. Soka.

C.R. Just remember, it's better to be feared than loved. A Brockstale is next. Is it better to be loved or feared? I would rather be feared, because fear less longer than loved. In a neighborhood ruled by violence, A devoted father must battle the local crime boss

For the life of his son Sonny, trust me, he'll hurt you like anybody People don't respect him, they fear him You're going to fight me You stay away from my son Robert De Niro, a Bronx Tale Rated R, special sneak preview Friday and Saturday All right, we rarely do this

We rarely have four people on the rewatchables But that's how good a Bronxdale is And we're going to dive into it I didn't really know where to start, but, Vane, let's start here. I asked you, best father-son movies, and I actually did some research on this. And it was interesting to see the list how different people feel about the concept of what a father-son movie is.

I wrote down, I just had eight. Bronx Tale, Kramer versus Kramer, he got game, field of dreams, catch me if you can, the godfather, Lion King, and Boys in the Hood. Those were the eight that just jumped out. I did that without looking at a list and just racking my brain. Right. he got game is my favorite father-son movie um it is because it's like it deals with so many different areas of fatherhood and like i understand some of the themes that are there some of those movies i wouldn't consider to be father-son movies like what um i don't know that i consider catch me if you can to be a father-son movie but it kind of is though is it like we did that for re-watchables and i think that's like the sneaky theme in that movie you agree with that shot or no i do i'm still trying to figure out so you asked van the question

the big top of the question beforehand? Like you didn't surprise... I don't like to do that with you. I know. I like to surprise you. I'm still working through the fact that you got to prepare for that idea. Affirmative action might be

outlawed in America. But here's the last one? Yeah. You got right under the line. It's a lot of way. We were texting. I think what I realized as I was thinking about it

was how few times father and son is like the major theme of like a famous rewatchable movie. You'd think there'd be like a million of these. Like the Godfather, we talked about

when we did the Godfather pop, but I think my favorite scene the godfather is when Vito's getting old. And he does the... Sure. Whoever comes to you, they're the traitor. There just wasn't enough time.

And I just fucking love that scene. That scene to me makes an already great movie great. But Sierra, why not more father's son stuff, you think? I think Father's son is a theme in a lot of movies.

Like there are like symbolic fathers in a lot of films, but parenthood's a really difficult thing to parenthood would be a good father-son movie, I guess, right? Yeah, boyhood's another one, I think that. You know what's the what's the Sean Penn

Christopher Walken movie where he... Oh, at close range. Yeah, that's an amazing father-son movie. Super complicated about like, you know, they're both criminals in that movie, but what really goes on. What's unspoken between fathers and sons? But you're right, there's not a lot of movies that are in the

like consecrated 500 greatest movies that are with that theme. I think you're totally right. Now that you're talking about it, though, like I'm kind of thinking, and a lot of our biggest filmmakers have not made father-son movies. Like, yeah, has Spielberg made, well,

I guess last crusades a father-son movie. Yeah, that was on some of the list as like, you know, the champ was another one. Oh, yeah. They're also father-sum movies,

but then they're also like father figure movies. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, right. Like, Darth Vader is like, yeah. Right,

there's like a, but there are movies where, a lot of movies that are awesome where a kid finds someone who is like a surrogate dad and looks up to him and shepherds him through different things but it's not necessarily his father yeah but it's it's tough to navigate it's like to do a real father-son movie almost either the like in this movie there are times where you hate see where he's such an asshole to his dad then i mean then there are times where i thought that's sunny my we'll get to the hot takes yeah Because I don't know who was the better father in this movie.

I would like to discuss that. Well, that's one of the great things about this movie is he's got these kind of two father figure authorities that are both basically telling him different things. And he's got to suss out what matters, what doesn't matter. I was in, you know, when I was growing up, my mom remarried and my stepdad was totally different than my dad. And some of the things that I learned from him were just completely different than the stuff I learned from my dad. and it actually really helped shape me in a lot of ways. So like Bronx Tale when it came out. Like did your stepdad believe in advanced analytics for sports?

He was like, it's all threes in land. My stepdad hated Larry Byr and didn't believe in the 86 Celtics. But when this movie came out in 93, I'd known my stepdad for, you know, 14 years. A huge part of my life. And my dad obviously was. So that whole theme of like just these two voices in your head coming from different places and you just have to kind of navigate it. I think that there's a pretty common experience.

in people's lives where there is a surrogate father figure that is cooler, but probably a little bit more of a loser than your actual dad. Like in reality, like, I mean, you think about like whether it's like an English teacher or a coach or somebody's older brother or somebody else's dad or something like that, like who kind of takes you under their wing, but like your dad is like, I have the responsibility of being a hard ass with you or like being the one who tells you no and stuff like that. My father actively sabotaged this.

whenever there was an older person that I started to take a shine to, like really get into, my father would either tell me all kinds of terrible things about that person or he would challenge me. He would say, I'm your daddy. And if you want to be with him,

let him feed you, and put stuff on your back, like actively, be like, well, the coach at school says, I should do it like this. Oh, does coach at school put food in your fat-ass mouth? I'm the one who has to pay. He didn't want any of that.

My father was the most competitive about fatherhood than anything else. So like when I would see those movies, like he never liked this film. He never liked this movie. This movie was a big deal when it came out. It was like this was Robert De Niro's passion project. You got to check it out. We watched it. He hated it because of the way C treated his dad.

I mean, the movie cuts pretty close to the surface for me because it's my family is from this part of the world. Yeah, both of my parents are from this part of the world. And they didn't grow up like in organized crime or anything like that, but the attitudes of all the people and sort of like, what is the path of light and what is the path of darkness, especially for Catholic families growing up in the boroughs of New York, is very real.

I think it's just such an interesting choice by De Niro. It's like you can really, really overread the psychology of his life by thinking about him making. this decision and where he's from and what he believes in and what his interests are and what his taste is. It's like it's a fascinating document. I never had personally like a another like I didn't have a stepfather. I didn't have an older brother. I didn't really have like a person who. No English teacher who was like sure. Maybe for small periods of my life, but nobody who like persisted the way that Sonny does for C. So I think that when you don't have that you have to like

invent that. You know, you have to like look like I look up to a lot of people I don't know because I was probably searching for that for someone who could guide me. Like my obsession with Martin Scorsese is probably rooted in the fact that I didn't have that. So it's interesting. I mean, it's just a great idea for a movie. Like, I'm even just looking at the poster right now. And it's like him trap between the two heads is such a perfect concept for what this movie is really about. You know, he really wants to be inside of both of their heads and live both of their lives.

Yeah. And it's, I love how, like, what is he, nine years old, the first version of C and then 17. And those are kind of the two moments in life when you're really shaking. You're not quite an adult yet when you're 17, but you're smart enough to kind of know some of the things you should know, but you also know that you don't know a lot of the things you should know.

When you're nine, you're just super impressionable and you're going to follow. Yeah, you're just waiting for the person to tell you, like, we're all into skateboarding now. And you're like, okay, well, I'm into skateboarding now. And I'm going to go home and tell my parents, like, skateboarding is the central preoccupation of my life. And then two weeks later, it's going to be moral combat.

You know, like... Right. Well, like when Sonny says, this kid loves the Yankees, right? His whole life for Rose, they're on the Yankees. Yankees. In two minutes, Sonny kills it. Yeah. He's like, Mickey Mantle doesn't care about you. Yeah. Does he put food on your table? And it's just like, that's it. He's just out on the Yankees, just from a two-minute conversation. And thinking about that, like, that reminds me of my own

life, but I also saw that a lot. He's on the bus with his father and he likes it. He likes going around places with his dad. He likes cleaning up the bus. He likes all the things that his father are into. But it's really like this sort of capture because he doesn't really have any other choices. And a lot of things that parents go through, my dad went through this. I've seen other fathers go through it, is the moment that your kid has a choice between you and between what the world is offering them. Oftentimes they choose the world. And that hurts not only the family dynamic, but it's like a shot at the masculinity of the

father, the strength of the father. And like, how do you work through that point? Because the guy's going to be your dad forever. And the world is probably going to spit you back out. So that's kind of what the movie is talking about as well. And, like, that was a real thing. I got in sports, and I wanted to go do that. I didn't want to be around my dad anymore.

I wanted to watch The Grind on MTV. He wasn't into that. I didn't want to watch Benazza no more. So, like, Dad, what about Vivacay Fox? What about Vivicay Fox? It's not about Jane Kennedy, although it was about Jane Kennedy. I mean, it's still about Jane Kennedy and Sir. Heardney.

It wasn't Eric Neese. Like, the Grime moved to Miami Beach. Yeah, what a revelation from Van. Oh, my God. You guys, you guys are so full of shit. You watch grind. You come home. You put on the TV.

I would rush home as a kid. It's 3.30. The grind is on. Eric is on there for like two seconds. And they're Miami Beach. There's girls everywhere. I'm 14. What are you on from?

See, I'm older than you. I was just hanging out with adult women at that point in my life. Wow. They didn't need the ground. Hanging out with adult women. Yeah. That sounded very natural. My version of that.

Bill's getting it. Whoa. My version of that was 10 years earlier, just MTV videos. And like, you know, Rio, the Duran Dorem video, just being like, I'm going to watch this 135 times because there's a cute girl in it. You cranked it for the grind or no? I know. No. He hosted it for the last year.

Video jukeboxes and two live crew videos were informative. Nice. You said something interesting. I know you were kind of just joking, but you were talking about your dad being like, do they put food in your mouth? Right. Yeah. I think one of the other cool things about this movie, one of the major themes, is this kind of turning point

in that American century where there's this identity for immigrant families of like we moved here and sacrificed everything to make a better life for our kids. And Robert De Niro is like, I do what I do, everything I do. I drive a bus six days a week

so that you have clothes on your back and food to eat at night. It's a simple life, but it's like an honest one. But we don't even have a car. And that's the kid. It's like this snap where the kid is just like, I don't want to drive a bus. You know what I mean? Yeah. I've actually broken that spell

and like mass media and my sports and music and culture and the Beatles are coming along is like, you know what? I don't think that's for me. And that's like the way that they grapple with this movie, I mean, this movie is in a lot of ways

so simple and so straightforward and so honest that it's it's kind of like, oh yeah, you really just distilled this idea down of what must have happened in the late 60s for a lot of people, a lot of families. Also to capture the 60s the way they did for

what the 60s were for better and worse and the De Niro bus driver generation of you know my parents moved here and they raised me and they were just happy that they lived here and then I'm just happy I have a job and then the next generation's like nah I want I want a little more than that so you

have that piece you have the racism that's through this movie that just is so authentic and just like that first time when the bus drives by and you just see that kid stare at the kid in the bus staring at scene friends and it's just like, all right, we're doing this too. And so you're balancing that and then

you're balancing him finding, you know, the first girl they ever loved and the concept of the three great ones. And then, you know, your life can change with one bad decision, which is something I talk to my son about all the time. My son's in bad decision range, right? He's his sophomore in high school and he's starting to go out. He's got people like Uncle Van like, Ben, go get some. Get out there. Do your thing, Ben. I like Ben. He's got a lot of personality to Ben. This is your time.

No, you know what's funny about the movie? He's like, it is Ben. This is your time, man. The funny thing about the movie is like, and it may have been different. Maybe I was different. But watching a movie last night was the first time that I realized that, you know, his crew were racial terrorists.

Yeah. Slick and Crazy Mario should be in like a criminally, like a criminal lockdown. Yeah. He's a racist little Joe Pesci. They're the villains. A film. Yeah. Yeah.

And it was, I'm watching it. And I'm sitting there with Kalika. She's like, what is this? Because there's one thing in the hate of black kids come through with it. And then it's like, no, we got a, we got to kill it. It got comical after a while. Yeah. And for some reason, that was lost on me when I first, like, when I first looked at the movie.

But that's like the fact that all this progress is bundled together. Like, C is not like his friends. and they're being forced into this progress. Like, the movie is really about, like, traditional values versus what it is that you're learning your own values to be. Well, think about when it's set, too. Yeah. It's a single most tumultuous year we probably had as a country. Yeah.

In the last 50. Yeah. It jumped out to me, too, that it's not 1860 or 1920. Like, it's recent history. Yeah. Like, the idea that, you know, those two communities are, like, really bashing heads in that way. in such a violent way in the movie is, is profound, you know,

like, definitely still resonates. It's also, like, a great trick he pulls, De Niro pulls, and I guess the script between him and Pomeroy pulls, where it's like, this is really only going to take place over three blocks. But when you're a kid, your P-O-V is that three blocks is, like, the whole world.

Yeah. And the idea of a neighborhood, and he refers to it a lot, De Niro and Pomeranteri in interviews about it being, like, almost like a medieval village. And, like, this idea that this is the entire, The entire arena of your life takes place in like these four or five square blocks. Don't you guys feel like this is exactly what New York City was like, though, where there was just these pockets.

And people were here, and they were here, and they were here. And you just kind of stayed in your pocket. I mean, it is. Like the movie shot in Astoria, which is where my mom's entire family grew up. I've been to that part of the world. It's spent a lot of time there. And all of my mom's uncles and aunts and her mom were all first generation. And playing stick ball in the street.

and running around with your friends and seeing the wise guy in the corner is like, that was life. That was just your lifestyle. I think it's like a very, very, very accurate representation of what it was like that time. She mentions she's from East New York and he never even heard of it.

Like he doesn't even know what it is. So it's obviously, obviously, you know, he's in this bubble. I also think that the 60s are America's adolescence in a lot of ways. In a lot of ways. And America's like litigating all these things that they didn't have to litigate before. So I always wonder about kids

that grew up in the 60s that had their adolescence in the same time that the country was changing, dynamics and priorities and all of that stuff. And in this movie, you have somebody who seems open to those changes and is really curious about them. And then you have a lot of other people

who are not, who are telling him the way that the world works and how things are supposed to be. Trying to save the old way. Yeah, to save the old way. Some of those people are authority figures and some of them are his friends. Yeah, we had that,

I mean, we had a similar situation in the Boston area in the mid-70s because that's when busing happened. And it was basically a lot of the stuff in this movie. It was the kind of toned-down version of it. But same thing. Like, no, we're here and you stay here and you stay here, and that's how this is going to go. For as an Italian movie, am I the only Italian in this podcast? Yeah.

Half the time. To me, Bronx Tale is always, oh, my mom's whole sad. Godfather wanted to. Did you think one of us was Italian? I didn't know if anybody had like a little boy. I figured Van was no. My middle name was actually collosier. Godfather 1 and two, Goodfellas, Bronx Tale, Sopranos.

And then it's like kind of an individual call on my cousin Vinnie, depending on the family and the people. But those were like the iconic Italian pop culture. And then I had Sinatra's main event. But if you just like take all of that, That's the foundation. And the point is, I do think Bronx Taylor was in that conversation with the other ones for how it's aged and evolved. The fact that De Niro was in it, we even have De Niro and Peschi, even though they're not in a scene, they kind of are in the one scene where they at least cross past.

The moment that this movie came out where we had Godfather 3, we had Goodfellas, we had this, casinos coming, even though, you know, that's a little less of an Italian movie. but this was kind of the glory years of this Italian pop culture. I think part of it was because Godfather had been around long enough that it had become an institution by the early 90s where it was like that movie had a 20-year shelf life. It was on TV all the time. Then it was on VHS. The DVD era was coming for it.

And it just became like this, the most quoted movie we had. And I think it started to open the door for that era. Yeah, I feel like there's a bigger kind of end of century thing. going on with the mafia too, where in a lot of ways the 20th century is kind of dominated by the mafia. And so it like, it takes a long time for the culture to kind of catch up to that and to like represented and regurgitate it. And so like in the second half of the 20th century, you've got all these great works of art. And they're all kind of like riffing on something

that was more powerful really before. You know, like this is like John Gotti time too. And when he is starting to come down and racketeering and RICO and all that stuff starting to come into the culture in New York, which kind of, you know, organized crime still exists, but it's not what it was in 1980. And it, you know, like, I think Sunny is more like Vito Corleone than he is, like, Sunny Corleone, where he's kind of like, I don't want guns in neighborhood.

Guns bring down the heat. We would all get pinched if you would like that when Dominic Lombardrosi is selling guns, he's like, get this shit out of here. So it's like, when you think about it, the mafia is really, they've gotten a lot of outsized representation in the media, considering it was like kind of, of a 30-year run, you know, maybe like about that. And then it kind of gets really corrupted in the late 60s and 70s and becomes much more

criminal, I think, in a lot of ways. More deviant. Yeah. Drugs and prostitution and things beyond just running numbers. I want to get over my skis. Oddly enough, I put Saturday Night Fever in that Italian movie situation. That's fair. When I was watching that.

That's a good one. I think you're right. But, no, I think the thing with the mafia is that the mask came off at some. point. And there was, there's this more morality that goes into it. And, you know, even in this movie, there's this, there's this cultural or omerta that exists in the neighborhood that's influenced by the omerta that exists in the mafia. And it seems like there's a shared value system that the wise guys that ran in neighborhoods had with the people that were in the neighborhoods. It seems like everybody was almost kind of together in a way. And then what happens is, you start to

realized like how much murdering, killing, backstabbing, deviant behavior, you start hearing stories about, look, this guy killed like 30 people. They tortured this one person. And then it stopped being a lot of the rules that they said that they, that they adhered to. It was all kind of bullshit. And it became about who had the most money.

Was this the head of Giangadi? This was right around this time. Yeah. This is when that kind of gets dropped in there, right? and you start to know that this guy's actually mad at this guy sleeping with his wife, and this guy just kills people for fun. I feel like Goodfellas is kind of the movie that's an indictment of that. Oh, yeah.

Like, you kind of see guys are just killing each other for no reason in these terrible ways. It's also, like, the change from Polly to Jimmy. It's like, it's like, Polly is like we all sit around and eat sausage and, like, we fix the neighborhood and keep it safe or whatever, and we take our peace. And then you watch. And Jimmy is like, it's cocaine and silencers. Right. Killing everybody.

You watch this movie is like, that's kind of the guy that they told you that the neighborhood mafia guy was. Like he was, it was a protection racket and he was, you know, making money because maybe Italians were marginalized when they first came into America and there's a morality to it. And I think by this point and like moving on, it was gone. And that's almost what the Sopranos litigated to as well. Tony became a terrible, terrible, terrible person.

But he was also a family man. So it's like which side of him did you resonate with you more? That's, I'm going to get off my Stephen A. Smith. Hottest take right now. You guys can do years later when we adhere to the format. I think Bronx Tale influenced the Sopranos more than any other movie. But I don't think people think that. I think people feel like it came out of like this whole Godfather, Goodfellas, like that.

And they, you know, they use people from both of those movies. But Sonny and Tony Soprano, I think, are very close. And a lot of the stuff Sonny cares about where it's like I need to be in my neighbor. I need to be around the stuff. I like to know what's going on. My feet are on the floor. I don't miss anything. I'm an anti-hero,

but I'm weirdly likable at the same time. I'm really self-aware of what's happening around me, but I'm also my own worst enemy in a lot of ways. I feel like Tony Soprano and Sonny are really close. I think Tony's idea of masculinity, fatherhood, and leadership is represented in Sonny. When you think about his relationship to his uncle, in the show and his idea

of his dad and the way that it kind of haunts him. But Tony is so not Sonny. I mean, he's like he's a monster. You know, he's vicious and awful to women and violent and not, like he has the idea of a code, but he doesn't really live by that code.

So he's like kind of the corrupted screen saver version of Sunny in a lot of ways. You know, like, it definitely influenced it, but, you know, the same way that like his obsession with John Wayne and Gary Cooper and all those like American ideals of masculinity throughout the show that are also fake, you know, that are also not real. Like, this, he's, like, poisoned by the idea of what he thinks he should be, which then,

like, you guys have talked about this when you talk about the soprano's, like, that filters down to AJ, right? And AJ doesn't know how to be a man because he has this fucked up idea of what it means to be a man. It's definitely a huge influence. I just, I mean, it's hard because I feel like Bronx tail hues pretty closely to, like, it sees POV. So the things we see Sonny do are the things that see. see

see Sonny Doe. Yeah, we don't see his family. We'd have no idea with his relationship with his woman. There's a woman at the end of the movie who's crying

because he gets killed. But there's not like a lot of like, you know, I know that there's some wandering camera stuff and some narration that kind of explains who these guys are and maybe what they're doing. But like,

I think part of the greatness of this movie is the ambiguity of like what happened with the parking space. You know what I mean? Like it's like it doesn't get in, it can't know more than what C knows. I don't know if you guys noticed, but Joe Peschie's in the last scene.

Did you realize that? Man, it was so crazy. That's who comes in. It's Joe Pesci. I never started into theaters, but it felt like an applause moment. Yeah. Like from a Marvel guy.

Yeah, yeah. That, like, you know, when Andrew Garfield pops on the screen and then there's a weird, and it's in the script, it felt like an applause moment. It was fantastic to see him. I will say this, though, about the Tony comparison.

is I think Tony maybe starts the Sopranos as Sonny. He starts the Sopranos as a guy who had all of these moral obligations to his mother, to his family. And the beautiful thing about it is it mutates from this idea of what we think a moral fatherly mafia guy is to what we actually knew them to be in real life, you know? his mom tries to kill him. You know what I mean? A lot of stuff starts to go wrong. He gets in a turf battle with his uncle. Family ends up becoming secondary to him grabbing power.

So I think just in the comparison between those two shows, like a lot went on that changed that character. And when I watched this movie, it is sort of a, like, there's nothing that's not likable about Sunny. Like, Sunny. Except him with De Niro's character, where you're like, all right, that's that dude's dad.

You know, like maybe. Yeah. You don't have your goons punch him in the stomach. Yeah, but even still, though. This is got to keep the respect on the street. He does shoot a man in cold blood. Yeah, in the beginning of the movie.

But once again, though, he shoots a man in cold blood, but he's coming to the defense of someone. And he does have his lead guy ask him, should I take care of Lorenzo, the bus driver? And he's like, he said no. But look, he thought about it, though. Yeah. Well, you guys.

I look back at the movie and Chaz wrote the screenplay, right? Yeah. And so I can tell that Chaz wrote Sonny as a guy that he would play. De Niro's character is a racist and Sonny tells him, who cares? Go have, go get with the girl.

There are things in the movie to where Sunny is supposed to be... That's the most interesting note of the movie. Right. Is this guy who's this old school leader who reads Machiavelli in prison and kills people in cold blood is like, we're all equal.

Yeah. Yeah. You want to fuck. Her great. Yeah. Like, she might be one of your great ones.

So, I don't know. He's like, I'm gonna go march with Dr. King next week. Well, you think about how the movie starts and it's just like

these, the doo-op is on every corner and the streets are wet down and like he's talking about the Yankees and all this bullshit. And like, and then Sunny is that romance, right? His dad is the buzz kill.

His dad is the one who's like, get ready to fucking drive a bus six days a week because that's what life is. And then you're going to have a kid and your life will just be, your kids, just like mine is yours. You know, and Sonny's the one who's like, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Like, we can make money, we can drive nice cars, we can go to the races.

Sounds great. You know what I say? That's how I corrupted Sean. Why not both? Why not both? We can't have both? Yeah, I'm sure. We can have both.

Yeah. Bill, you've got both. I have it all, man. Yeah. I'm like, Sonny who got shot in the head. But what are you going to do when Ben's like, I have no interest in content? He's like, I want to be a best driver. So we went like 25 minutes there and we didn't even talk about the craziest thing about this movie is the wasted talent piece.

And the whole theme of this movie is the saddest thing in life is wasted talent. And this is C's big less than the movie. It's said to him over and over again by his dad. He says it to Sonny at the end. And the actor who's doing that Lilal Brancato Jr. is really good in this movie. And when I left the theater in 1993, it was like that guy, was the same as Leota and Goodfellas.

It's like, that guy's going to be a guy. And you're just like, I'm going to, I have season tickets for that guy. Now I'm now rooting for this actor. Yeah. And he showed up in Sopranos, what, season two? Matthew Bevaluqua. Yeah. Drink water.

And it was like, oh, this guy, he's back. Right. We didn't know anything about all the personal issues he has. He ends up going to jail. He's in a robbery. Somebody dies. It was an off-duty cop. And he's on the cover of the New York Post.

and it says wasted talent. And somehow this guy ended up living the message of the movie in the worst possible way. And now when you watch the movie, it's hard not to think about that, right? Yeah. You just watched, I mean, you went deep-dived on this one. Well, Amazon told me too. I like Amazon said, hey, wasted talent. I watched the documentary.

And it's one of those documentaries that you see. It's very customary. You see a guy who had all of this promise and he had a bad beat and he's talking about, it, but it's through the lens of this huge, huge, huge break. It's not like an, it's, it's not an odd story. You see the story all the time. It's not something that's, you know, out of the ordinary. He's basically Johnny Mansell.

Yeah, or Johnny Mansell or what's your man from Terminator 2, Edward Furlong, all of these guys, you know, you see this, but it's just ironic because of the underlying message of this film and it ends up becoming his life. and, you know, he still hasn't really come to terms with all of it. I mean, he recently got out of jail and he's clean, or at least like the last time I read about him. That was the case, yeah. Yeah, that's the story, right?

He was doing drugs while making this movie. Yeah. And Chaz and De Niro were telling him, like, hey, you've got one chance here. Like, you cannot fuck this up. And it was like a lottery hit, like, the way they found him. Like, it wasn't like he was, like, an up-and-coming actor who was in sitcoms and stuff. like that this wasn't DeCaprio. It was, they picked him out of, like,

thousands of kids in New York City. I mean, worst case scenario, who would have been a better part on the Sopranos than the part he played? He was only in Sopranos, what, like five, six episodes? Yeah, didn't they? He gets killed. He asks for a Diet Coke.

But you want something with some sugar? That sugarless motherfucker is going to be the last thing. He would have at least been Jackie Appreel Jr. Jackie Appreel Jr., another guy. Like, I thought the guy was going to take off. And then he had some problems after him. after it. But yeah.

Yeah. It was good to just see him acting again because I hadn't seen him in anything. He popped up. I was like, oh, I know who that guy is. Yeah. This was also a famous Hollywood success story where Chaz Palm and Terry, there's a one-man show. Everyone wanted to buy the rights for a year. And he did the Slice the Lone Rocky, I'm betting on myself move.

Yeah. Which is, we always hear about the ones that work. I'm sure there's been other ones where it's like, I'm betting on myself. And I think there's a lot of one-man shows. playing somewhere in Santa Monica right now where somebody is like, I'm waiting for my big call here. I'm going to do the Stallone, Chaz Palmonetarian. But he looks out because...

I mean, he looks out because... Right. But De Niro season goes nuts. Yeah. And De Niro's like, this is the one for me. This is my directorial debut. I want this. He's still doing this as a one-man show. He just did it in my hometown in the Paramount Theater. I saw that on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. He does... Every year

he goes to the Paramount Theater in my hometown and he does this show, because obviously on Long Island, this movie is really... It's kind of wild to see. the YouTube clips. I haven't seen the show on stage, but if you watch the YouTube clips, it's like, he's playing every part. He's telling the story, but then he does the mom. Like, he's,

it's kind of, like, disorienting. How is it different than your one-man show? Where I'm Nick Siriani. You're playing all the characters of the Philadelphia sports team. I'm teaching dog culture to all my guys. Yeah, it's, it's quite a success story.

I mean, he really goes into Hollywood, though. I mean, he's in the usual suspects, like a year later. He's the opposite share in a movie, like, two years later. Like, he really became a staple. He becomes, like, the man. Yeah, he's the guy. And then De Niro was a major star for like five years. Five years, he was around.

De Niro does the thing where he's like, let's do this. I'll write it with you. I'm going to play Lorenzo and I'm going to direct, but I will, because I'm doing all this, like, and now I'm going to be in it. We're going to lock it down that you get to play Sunny. Because I think that people have been interested in him buying the rights to the the play, but probably wanted De Niro to play Sunny. You know, that would be the way.

And I actually really liked him as the bus driver. This is such a great De Niro stretch, basically from Midnight Run. Oh, 995, it's like one of the best runs. He's lightening up. He's good fellas. He's amazing. He's, you know, he starts to act more where he's in multiple movies here. He's Cape Fair, which we've done in rewatchables.

And everything leads the heat. All of the movies from 995. Let me look. Yeah. I mean, and each character, feels different than the last one. It's like him going from keep here to this is, you know,

in this boy's life and Goodfell is like all in this little stretch, totally different kinds of parts. This boy's life. It's like a softness and a vulnerability here that I didn't think that he was capable of giving off anymore. He had been such a dude in these movies for so long. Even in like a, even in heat,

he's not like boisterous or anything like that, but there's this burning ember of like intensity that, that it's throughout the whole movie. But this one, he really is the every man. Like when he walks in there to talk to Sonny, like, you're scared for him. You're like, oh, this guy's in over his head. He's so good at being like, I know I'm in over my head, but I have to say this. Right.

I respect you, but this is my family. And you just wondered if it was ever going to happen to him. And I guess it didn't, but I guess, you know, he did take a shot to the soul. The scene right after that is the one that is the most heartbreaking to me when he's scolding sea outside and he hits him. And then he starts apologizing for hitting him. I mean, that's like, and then he picks him up and he's holding his head. Like, that's really...

Yeah. For De Niro, he doesn't do a lot of scenes like that that are like that quiet, that, like, vulnerable and soft. I actually thought I had this later, but this is the most, like, functional marriage he's ever had in movie. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's amazing to think that this and this boy's life is the same year, you know? We didn't put that in Father's Son movie. I haven't written this boy. Not exactly.

Not quite the same. Yeah. I feel like, maybe I don't need a dad. You'll remember. This movie had a $10 million budget and only made $17.3 million. And there's a whole backstory where it got dumped, but it ended up, De Niro said, fuck it, I'll produce this with Tribeca productions. And an era where that just didn't happen a lot.

And, you know, I think Coppola had done his own production company that had been a horror show and lost a lot of money. And I think just the concept of actors just having their own. I mean, how many were there at that point? Not too many, at least not that we're consistently making productions, but it's so common now. Yeah, like literally, if you had two successful movies, you start a production company. Back then, he also made it like an empire. I mean, he really made it more than just we make movies.

I mean, he's now like real estate mogul and a film festival and all this other stuff that he got. He bought it on Nobu, yeah. Yeah, Nobu, yeah. Yeah, it's weird that he also feels like he has to make nine movies a year when he's so successful. He's such an interesting guy, though. like when you read interviews from this time period, he's like, they'll be like, so did you review the films of Scorsese?

Or did you go back to Visconti to see Italian life portrayed? And he was like, no, I don't really watch movies that much. Like he's kind of like, almost like, it's like all natural to him. It's not like an intellectual person. He never intellectualizes the process of acting what the material is. Never. Every interview is monosyllabic.

And even, you can tell he's very intelligent. He's a smart guy. Yeah. But he refuses to engage in, like the circus of artistry. You know, like, I'm doing the thing. He does the Bill Belichick. Same thing.

I'm just going to have the most boring press conference possible. Except in the last six years, five or six years, basically every interview he does, he just goes in on Trump. So, like, he'll be like an actor's roundtable for the Irishman. And they're like, Bob, what was your process like for the Irishman? Well, I don't want to be a piece of shit like Donald Trump. And everybody at the table is like, oh, shit, this is going. viral.

You know what I think about the movie and maybe the reception of it is I think a lot of people went to a Bronx tale expecting one film and then they got another film. Yeah. I think a lot of people thought because of the era that we were in, especially with De Niro and some of the other movies that were out, I think they were thinking this was going to be another mob classic. Right. And it's not.

It's really a movie about family. It's a movie about coming of age. It's a movie about a lot of things and it eats around the edges of all that other mafia, New York and the 60s type of stuff. I don't think people, I think people were going maybe expecting to see a couple more people get whacked.

Yeah, AIFI has it and it's 10 greatest gangster movies ever list, which I don't know when they updated this, but I would not put it in my 10 greatest gangster. I don't think of it as a mafia movie. I don't either. It's more of like in that father, son, Italian thing. I also think so it came out in September 93.

93 was just an incredible movie year and a shitload of awesome entertaining movies came out and it was an onslaught and it was easy to get lost and it took you know some of the movies were a slow burn like Shawshank was like that Shawshank got lost and then you know belatedly had a moment

our guy Raj loved this shit my dude loved it I mean no surprise story character four stars he said it very funny, very touching, filled with life and call for characters and great lines of dialogue.

De Niro and his debut as director finds the right notes as he moves from laughter to anger to tears while retaining its values. Why do you think DeNirin direct more? Too hard? It's a lot of work. And I think he knew he could do a little better financially just by acting in the things. He likes to work. He's made so many movies in the last 30 years. Good Shepherd?

Good Shepherd is his only other movie, yeah. Which I don't think will be appearing on the rule. watchables anytime soon. He's working it with the ladies too. Pretty legendary. Yeah. You know how we know how it goes. Yeah. I mean this is a huge part of this movie. Yeah. Do you want to hit this quick? Well, there's okay so why this is it's an underlying theme. I watch it through this lens and there are some things that happened in the movie that that aren't very realistic. Like C drops the N-word and we just move on. Yeah. I have that coming up later. Yeah, we just move on.

You at least gotta say sorry, right? We at least need you to do... Even 1968, it's probably a sorry. Yeah, I would think that it would be... I would hope it is. It was sorry, we just can't move on. But no, that's... I would say to the actress, Terrell Hicks,

she is so beautiful in this movie, right? She looks... You can tell the way the camera is lingering on her. Yeah. There's a director that likes him a black lady. Like, I'm just being for real. Just like, that's my great shot cordo award. It's just she's in the bus and we go back and back and back.

Hold it on her. Hold it on it. De Niro appreciates the beauty of this beautiful black woman. He milks every scene with her. Yeah. And there's not really a lot of substance with any of the scenes, but it's just the camera just being like, wow. Look at this.

It really works for the movie because, obviously, De Niro has a relationship to black women and his attraction to them. And so to C. C is drawn to this woman. He is intoxicated by her. And like Chris said, like the movie is shot through his POV.

So, of course, like, the camera's going to linger on her and follow her around because he's getting obsessed with her. You know, I had this later, but I'll do it now for what'sage is the best. It's an Italian movie thing that I think has been a common theme.

The Thunderbolt moment. Because that's like the best one's Michael Corleone with Apollonia. Where he's, it's like, oh, and the guy's like says in Italian, Oh, he's been struck by the bolt. And it happens to see in this movie. Ray Leota, when, what's her face?

Lorraine Braco starts yelling at him. He kind of gets the belated Thunderbolt. But that is like a big Italian concept of, I knew instantly, that was my girl. I was going to end up with her. This episode is brought to you by Two Good and Company coffee creamers. Howdy take your coffee? Piping hot, ice, strong, frothy.

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What did we did? Shawshank, I think. Yeah, and I think we did it with Goodfellas, maybe. There's been a couple. There's so many lessons from the Bronx tale. I would say it's,

I don't know if John Hollinger's final stats, but maybe the highest lesson per minute of any movie. They give you some of them. We could talk about them. Sure. The whole concept of, is it better to be feared or loved?

Where Sonny talks, he tells C, how he read McEveli in prison, and he runs his gang and he realizes I'd rather be feared than love You want to give him a little bit But not too much But it's like the basic concept of the movie, right?

Yeah How somebody's a boss Like Chris is one of the few people I know Who is loved Who is like There's not a lot of controversy Around CR Well we'll find out when my

Tellall comes out And it's like Sean Fennacy Anonymous source quotes About how I used to I'm actually writing the piece Terrorizing They're not gonna even believe it You're going to be the ones.

Because there are certain people that those things come out about. Yeah. And we just all pretend like you do that. You just all go, nah, man, not that guy. That's how they're going to do with you. Yeah, the Asoka fans are going to go. Yeah, the Osco fans will come out because they're looking for you.

Yeah, looking through the, trying to dig the files. Digging through those spin reviews, 2003. That's right. What racial epithets did you drop in those, Chris? Well, the lesson is C realizes he wants to be loved, but it was actually probably better for Sonny to be feared, right? So that's how he had to run his whole thing. And like, this is the, this was the fundamental theme of the Sopranos.

Tony had to learn how to be feared. And, you know, he was close to all these people. And even how he dealt with, like, Pauley and Christopher, like, at some point, he had to get those guys to fear him as well as love him. Yeah. And that the isolation drives him crazy. Like, you don't get the impression that that happens to Sunny. We don't really see that because we only see it through C.

But, like, that usually when you are that kind of a person, you become increasingly paranoid and you're constantly thinking about your relationship to other people and make sure that they see me in this light as opposed to we're friends, we're hanging out. That's it.

There's nothing more complicated than that. As soon as you get into the hierarchy of power, it's crazy. It comes together at the end when they're in the car after and he's explaining like, I can't believe you didn't realize that I wouldn't have put the bomb in your car

and he's like, I don't trust anybody. And he's like, and Cedges says that's a terrible way to live. Yeah. Like, how do you do that? So you have that. We also learn trouble is like a cancer. You got to get it out early.

It gets too big. And then it kills you. That's what Sonny says. That's honestly just a great lesson. Whether you're running whatever, whether you're running a sports team, anything, whether you're running the Philadelphia Sixers with James Hardin. Yeah, I knew you were going to do that. Right.

Honestly. You look annoyed. Well, I was going to make a joke, but I'm not going to make a joke. Go ahead. Was it a Boston sports show? It was an Aaron Hernandez joke. That's a good comeback. See, I don't deny it.

We're just trying to get the dangerous ground here. You know what I mean? I'm just saying like, yeah. Better to be loved than feared. Right. How about this lesson? Nobody cares. Nobody cares.

I love that. Worry about yourself, your family, the people that are important to you. I love this lesson. I think it's so true. Everybody's spent so much time worrying about these fucking anonymous people, people they're never going to run into, all these tiny people in these little pockets, like worry about the people in your life and your family. And I believe in that lesson.

You never hear this kind of thing in movies. I love that part. Yeah. It's like a very, it's not an original thought, but it's something people think about. And it's like you can see that it's very a real affirmation of Pomeran Terry's experience in the world. I love that part. And then it gets banged home at the funeral, right? And say, it's a great shot. See, he's just looking around. He's watching how everybody's interacting with each other. And they didn't give a shit that Sonny was dead. And one guy's imitating him falling down. But to me, though, that's an indictment on Sunny.

Sonny chose that. Right? Like, Sonny said he chose it. Yeah, Sonny chose. Right. Sonny chose. And so that's why nobody cares unless you allow them the oxygen not to care. Like, if you say you'd rather have fear than love, well, then there's some people in that room that were probably relieved that he was dead.

Yeah. Because they were scared of him. It opened up a new territory for that. But if they loved him, you get a- Eddie the mush has like a whole new credit line now. A whole new credit line, right? So if they loved him, you get a room full of people crying like that, you're gone. Yeah.

You know, so it just depends. Well, that's the other one that's been off of that is fear lasts longer than love is another lesson that we learn that. I don't know if I agree with that, but that was a hypothesis. Yeah, I don't agree with that. From Sonny that I actually disagree with. I'm with you. But it was a lesson. A rat is the lowest thing you can be.

in my neighborhood was another lesson. I would have gone with pedophile. I don't know. I would have gone rat number two, maybe. But that was a lesson. Should we do the devian power ranking? Yeah, we'll save it. If you rat out a pedophile,

like, is that a get out of jail free card? Sometimes in life you got to do certain things, even though they're not right. I considered it. You consider that? You don't think that's true? I think it depends what kind of business you're in. Yeah.

You let Chris record the watch. week. That's not right. You shouldn't get to do that. But we do it. When Van said Mallory has to get off the ringerverse, I want this feed for myself. Never said that. By the way, they're going to go. They're going to believe you. Like, never said that.

The door test. So the door test is now defunct because we don't have buttons that you pull up and down. It's still, it's the door test is still the best. The door test is the fucking best. The door test is fuck me up a couple of times. Uh-oh. I shouldn't be disinvested

into movies, right? Because, like, you do the whole door test thing and you see it in the movie because that stuff has, like, the Bronx Tale has this, you know this, Sean, you wrote for vibe.

Like, the Bronxdale has this life in hip-hop. Yeah, yeah. Like, Sonny for Bronx Hill, you can't leave, like, and there's a video where the door test is in there. So we tried the door test.

Man, the door test has a low conversion rate, guys. It does. The door test, They don't be thinking about that. They're nervous. They're looking at themselves. They're doing all kinds of stuff.

Right. They're sneaking a peek in the mirror. They're doing the whole deal. And you get in the driver seat and you're thinking, you're like, this motherfucker right here didn't even open the door for me. It's like whatever. Like where you want to go? Nowhere. I want to go back home because you're selfish, selfish woman.

So the door test is not something that has worked for me over the course of money. I've won. And Kalika's not that person. She didn't do the door test. Have you ever said to a door test? Have you ever said to a woman, you're a selfish, selfish woman? No. Okay.

I'd like to know how that plays. I just want to let you know, like, I don't say anything to women that could be perceived as negative. Okay. Okay. Ever. Yeah. Ever. Okay.

That's great. Whatever you're, another lesson from the movie. You're begging to be fact checked right now. Okay. When I say this, what I, you know, as a rule, whatever, as a rule, whatever happens, it's my fault. And that's just so you can sleep. And you guys know that this is all true. Door test.

If she doesn't pass, Sunny says, she's a selfish broad. You know, all you're seeing is the tip of the iceberg. You dump her and you dump her fast. There's a lot of tests in this movie. Did you do it? The door test? Yeah. I think that our relationship, once we had, because we were in New York, so once there was a car involved,

I think it was like auto lock stuff going on. Okay. You know, so it was hard to tell. The door test doesn't work anymore. You dodged in a big way. You know what else doesn't work anymore? The Mario test. If that girl goes down on the old Brajol with the trucker watching,

she's a pig and she can't be trusted. I've never tested this one out and I would not recommend the Mario test. The Mario test is so fucking stupid. This group of friends, even in a car. That guy should be like honestly castrated for that. Yeah. Well, he ends up burning to death in a car. So it's funny is burned to death.

I can't wait to talk about this. The $20 rule where it's like, why worry about this guy? Oh, you get to buy him off for $20. Just for 20 bucks. That by far is the truest thing in this entire movie. It's not even close by far. You loan somebody some money and I loan people a lot of money. Y'all are white, so y'all don't really know poor people like that.

But like I, like, it's facts. But I have a lot of people that rely on me for different stuff and the most. Chris and I made the exact same face. Exactly same face. It's just what I expect. But like when you loan somebody some money, and then they... Sean loans me money all the time.

Like, let me get 20. That's why you fear me. Yeah. Three great women? This is what Sonny says. You're only three great women in your lifetime. They come along like the great fighters every 10 years. Rocky Marciano, Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Lewis.

Sometimes you get them all at once. Me, I had my three when I was. I was 16, that happens. Peaked early. And then it's like, maybe she's your first great one. I don't know if this is true, but just awesome. I just love crazy theories like that that can't be proven. It was like, oh, yeah.

The three great women theory did make me go back in my thoughts. I wonder if that's like prehinged Tinder thinking, you know? Like, I wonder if we have to expand that to like nine now because people would just... You think that there's more great women that you meet on the own thing? No, I don't know. I haven't, I've never used those applications. I haven't used them either. Why are you guys looking at me?

Like, I'll be on Tinder or a hinge. What do you think about the three-gore women situation? I'm still working through white people don't know about being poor. No, I didn't say you don't know about being poor. I said you guys probably don't know a lot of poor people. Sean married his high school girlfriend, so I don't know if he got the three great women. Sean's other two are going to come when he turned 70. It's a really bad beat for him.

It's a great line of movie dialogue that doesn't really do. Yeah, I like it. I respect it. Well, because he, like, he says they come along every 10 years, and then he's, He says, I got all three of mine when I was 16. Like, he confused me. Yeah. The Mickey Mantle theory about, he says, is that weird?

So about Mickey Mano makes 100,000 a year. How much does your father make? You don't know? We'll see if your father can't pay the rent. Go ask Mickey Mantle and see what he tells you. Mickey Mantle don't care about you. So why should you care about him? Nobody cares.

I would love to see Sonny go on the herd. You know? Colin's like, top five NFC quarterback. He's like, none of these guys care about it. Justin Herbert's not thinking about you at all. It is true. You do learn this as a sports fan at some point in your life. You're like, oh, yeah, these people don't care about anybody.

Dionne Sanders taught me that lesson. Really? Deion Sanders wins a Super Bowl with the 49ers. I'm all into it, whatever. And he sounds with the Cowboys. And I was like, this is a bunch of bullshit. I still love Prime, but I'm like, that's the moment. And my dad looked at me like, I was stupid.

He was like, what do you think? They paid him $35 million. Like, what he's going to do? It's like, how could he go to the Cowboys when he was just with the 49ers? And my dad was like, go clean up your room or something. You know what I mean? So, like, that, I learned that lesson then.

Roger Clemens taught you that? Yeah, mine was Roger. Roger Clemens. Johnny Damon was a more jarring one, I think, to a different generation when he just signed with the Yankees after 04. Yeah. People were like, oh, my, like, they just couldn't believe it,

but this is sports. A couple more. I never had any success, so I could never have heartbreak. Yeah. I just said heartbreak is so left. There's only three things you can do in the joint. Lift, weights, play cards are getting trouble.

I don't know if that's true or not. But he does the fourth thing. Yeah, he does the fourth thing, which is read. Sometimes in the heat of passion, the little head tells the big head what to do. You can use that for prison too. That's another thing that goes on in the joint. And then being Catholic is great

because you could just go to confession and start over every week. I thought that was a good one. Anyway, those are the lessons. I would say the best, greatest lesson from this movie is probably that nobody cares. Worry about yourself.

I'd like that one. All right. Rewatchable scenes. Meeting everyone in the bar, which is just a borderline Goodfellas rip off. Not the first of a few. Right.

But it's like De Niro's doing it. So what's the ruling on that? I don't like it at all. It's one of the only things in the movie I don't like. I'm like, this was two and a half years ago that Goodfellas came out.

And when it came out, people were like, this is a masterpiece. And one of the most memorable scenes in the movie are basically regurgitating. Yeah. Jojo to Well, as they say, you didn't walk with Jojo. You walked among him.

If you stared at Jojo long enough, you'd see him get fatter by the hour. Legend has it. His shadow once killed a dog. They called him Frankie Coffee Cape because his face looked like a Drake's coffee cape. He was tough to look at. It's actually,

I'll go as far as day. my pee break. Yeah, it's not. It's not. What? Yeah. You get to meet Eddie Mush, Tony Tupay,

Jojo the Whale, Frankie Coffee Cake, Jimmy Whispers, Danny K.O. and Bobby bars. None of them are as good. You're peeing? Where do you stand in?

No, I mean, the whole movie, the beginning of the movie to me is a total rip-off of Goodfellas. Like, the whole time he's a kid. I mean, I like the scene.

It's cool. It's, it's, those guys don't really mean as much. to the film as the motley crew of the guys and goodfellas mean to the film so it's like that's cool legend has it his shadow killed the dog jojo the way like that yeah i like that sonny had five fingers but he only used three that's in the play like he does the whole thing next one after

sunny kills a guy and then the police line up you did a good thing for a bad man I did a good thing, right? Yeah, you did a good thing. You did a good thing for a bad man. I did a good thing for a bad man. I didn't understand that, not at nine years old. All I knew was a rat was the lowest thing anyone could be in my neighborhood, and I didn't rat.

Sunny asked to see C right to the crap scene. That's where we get Mickey Mano. That's where we get to watch Mush play craps, who rolls the 12. He's put in the bathroom. The kid, yeah. We get all the guys going to the bathroom. That's great.

We get, uh, the kids throwing the dice. We get Frankie coffee cake. Put a towel over your head. If you want to stay there and fucking brew it up. Go to the bathroom. Um, 2-2 and the hard four. Just an elite crap scene. I would, I would dare say it's in the running for best movie crap scene.

Hard 8. It's going to say Philip Seymour Hoffman and Hard 8. It's pretty good. Yeah. The first PTA movie. There's got to be other ones. So I want a casino? I don't think there's a long crap scene.

I mean, they play craps, but I don't think it's like as elaborate as this. Do you play craps, Bill? It depends on the table. Crapes always has a bad ending because the whole point of craps is eventually you crap out. And nobody wants to leave a hot craps table. Where's Blackjack, you just win forever? Well, Blackjack, you have built-in breaks. Yeah.

And you can be like, oh, new deal. or a new hand, all right, you know, I had a good run. I got craps is like you just feel when it's going well, you feel like you're on the ride of your life and then all of a sudden it flips. Yeah. And that's what they want. Not at all.

I didn't think so. Not at all. Remember the snobogee situation from the wire? Remember that? Yeah. Get beat up, snobogie. Like, it always goes bad. I never got into like losing money.

I'd rather spend my money on other things like peanut coladas, like stuff like that that makes you feel good. Yeah. You know. That slowly poisons your. body. Yeah, but it still makes you feel good for them. Damn it! You got me rethinking the Pinacolada. Crap's really reveals

traits lurking inside of people. Like what? Just, you can kind of go off the rails on a craps table, or you can get angry or like insisting or people who bet against the roller that don't come back. It's like, I'm rooting against everyone at this table, here's my money.

Like, just little things come out. Are they playing craps in, casino when he meets her? That's what I think. Oh, she's playing. She's playing with the guy with a mustache and she pulls the checks out of his pocket. Yeah, that's got to be the, that's an iconic movie scene. Next rewatchable is when he says, I notice a strange thing happening in the neighborhood when everyone starts asking, the fruit guy comes, brings him free.

And then the dad makes him return the 600 bucks. Like another Goodfellist thing, like they carry my seat. Carries the Grosurys at home Because of respect It's kind of the same deal It's very similar Yeah But here's the thing

It was all in the one-man play Which was out before Goodfellas So what do you do with that? There are probably certain iconic moments in Italian-American neighborhoods Rosed off the one-man play There you go It's probably Nick Pellege

And I don't think he did But I think that These things Like of course It's the lifestyle Yeah It's I don't think anybody

ripped anybody off It's like that was the lifestyle. Yeah. I will say, though, if I was Chas Palmitarian and I had written all that and then I went and saw Goodfellas. You'd be like, fuck, God, damn it. Yeah.

That'd be a tough beat. Chris, it don't take much strength to pull a trigger. But try getting up every morning, day after day and doing the watch and working for a living. Let's see him try that. Let's see who the real tough guy is. The working man.

Talking TV with Andy Greenwald. The working man is a tough guy. He was right. The working man is a sucker, dad. He's a sucker. He's a sucker. He's wrong. It don't take much strength to pull a trigger,

but try and get up every morning day after day and work for a living. Let's see him try that. Then we'll see who's the real tough guy. The working man is the tough guy. Your father's the tough guy. But everybody loves him, just like everybody loves you on the bus.

It's the same thing. No, it's not the same. People don't love him. They fear him. There's a difference. That's pretty good. That's great. The horse track just for we've been mushed.

Yeah. I mean, Eddie mush, we didn't talk about him yet, but just becomes the iconic gambling the cool to reference that yeah it's I mean Sal named this company mush media like mush is the guy the go-to reference for oh no Joe House is trailing my falcons bet oh no he's gonna mush me like it's actually entered the dialogue next one is the $20 rule moving into the loved or feared conversation which we talked about The biker bar, now use can't leave.

Yeah. Now you just can't leave. I will never forget the look on their faces. All eight of them. Their faces dropped. All their courage and strength was drained right from their bodies. They had a reputation for breaking up bars. But they knew that instant they made a fatal mistake.

This time they walked into the wrong bar. Cold. Cold. I love the Satan's. messenger scene. Got a lot of questions about it, but I love it. I have questions about it too coming up later. Look at me. I'm the one who did this to you. We have the three great women in the door test scene. We have Sunny saving C from the fatal car ride in the conversation we talked about after. Don't you trust anybody? No, it's a horrible lady to live. Jane passes the door test.

Sunny gets shot, just rewatchable from how well it's shot with that. And then I see that face. Yeah, that's awesome. And then the funeral where he realizes nobody cares. We get peshy. We get De Niro and Peschi in the same scene, but not really. They just kind of pass, which I like. And then when I would get older, my dad said, I would understand. What do you have for most rewatchable CR? I actually have now used K.Leave. I just always love that scene.

But I think my underrated one is just, I think it's after the crap games when De Niro comes into the bar. And he's just like, stay away from my son. He's like, everybody in the neighborhood knows, like, I respect you. But like, don't fuck with my family. And he's like, I'm going to give you a slap. I love that. That was my pick, too. Yeah.

De Niro is incredible. They're so great in that together. I got now you can't leave. It's one of the most iconic scenes. But I also have his friends burning a death in the car. Honestly, yeah. Crazy Mario. I felt nothing.

I was just like, good. It's just hilarious. They, when they went, they became the Ku Klux Klan, and they went to, like, kill black people and burn them alive. Just shooting at people. It throws a brother comes out like Mickey Mantle. Boom, like Willie Mays. Just shot right there.

Boom, they burn it. I'm like, ha, ha, good. Happy for you guys. Got what you deserve. It's fun. I watch it back like three times. What stage is the best? I have the craps game, by the way.

I just, if there was a channel of just gambling scenes from movies, I would probably check it out pretty consistently. What would the name of that channel be? The gambling channel? But what's the only, movie scenes, it's not actually gambling. The gambling movie channel? We have Fandual TV, right? Maybe if that's what Fandall TV

should do, they can have like two hours a day of just gambling and movies. Probably pretty cheap to license that, I think. Yeah, it'll be fine. They should play, though. They should play movies that are like, that revolve around gambling. So like the color of money. Fandual TV tonight, the color of money. Like, what that should do? That would be awesome.

Yeah. You know, gambling movies. Did I ever tell you this idea? I always thought, you know, the channels all have the, like, HBO has like five HBO's. The stars has five. And I was wanted an all jail movie channel called B-A-R-Z.

And it's just jail movies. You would go to bars. I would watch bars. Yeah, you would be a bar. The shot collar marathon. They get the rents to Oz. Yeah, Oz is on at 8 o'clock every night. Alcatraz escaped from Alcatraz.

Oh, got a lot of good jail movies. Shawshank. Shawshank. You got movies that have jail in it. Base off. Would be like good news. Barz has acquired the rights to orange as the new. It would be funny though if Fandul, like, had a bunch of Fandul, like, black Fandul after dark.

Fanduil signature. Yeah. Did you guys ever watch, like, the Black Star Channel? Yeah, of course. What are you talking about? That channel's incredible. It was, they played, you know, realized that they played the same four movies, like, all week long. Yeah.

It would be a... Barbershop, Friday. But it would be, but every... But then every once in a while, they play, like, Pelican Brief. No, but this one... This is the funny thing about it is they literally had on this channel a rotation of four movies

and they would play them for like a set amount of time and then they would change them up and then we started noticing because it's not as many as they would think. Then we started noticing they started really getting

like really loose interpret like ghost. Ghosts like a black because we'll be like why is ghost on black stars? You know what I'm saying? What's going on?

The SARS knows who it is now. Yeah. You go to the Stars movie Limebear. It's like you're going to see Denzel multiple times. You will get the equalizer and you're going to get the movie with Sinal Leighton. I'm like, I don't think that's a black movie. You know what I'm saying? It was funny to watch it.

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He's just like the perfect 9-year-old Italian kid With that big puffy Francis Capra yeah I thought the actor was really good too I thought he didn't Veronica Mars legend He was incredible on Veronica Mars

I like in movies When mob guys Make good guys offers Like you'll get $150 a week Just to drop off some numbers And the guys say I can't do that I don't do that Adjusted for inflation

That's $1,300 bucks Yeah that was No small offer. Just a drop off some. That's amazing. How about two tickets in center field? Right behind the Mick? I like that part.

In the fucking Mick, man. 1960. You hate the Yankees. No, but I respect the Mick and Joe D. I wasn't alive. You made an allowance. I wasn't alive for the Mick and Joe D. Really close to that no one's cooler than Sinatra.

You know who's in this movie? Sinatra. Yeah. When they wanted to be like, look how cool it is back then. playing Sinatra. I like the duop rap pack soundtrack. Stickball. Yeah, good game. I don't know what happened to stick ball. Stickball is age the best? I just like

seeing it in a movie. It makes me happy. I love how the cut on the doo-op song when it flash cuts to the five guys hitting the stick ball and he's like, yep, yep, yep, yep, it's a great, it's a little sequence. Played an incredible amount of stick ball in college. You did? Yeah. Did you go to college in the Bronx? No, at Holy Cross. We had, We lived in Wheeler and it was a five-floor building

with this perfect like situation in front where it's like basically you could either hit it off the building or over the building. Do you break a lot of windows? Never broke the windows because they were strong but it was, you know, people playing like in the outfield with, you know, holding a beer but catching balls up the way. I mean, it was like we were out there all that.

You play the real baseball? Yeah, I was going to say what kind of ball. Tennis balls. Yeah. But then if you hit the... It's wiffleball now, right? It's, that's what's replaced it, whiffleball? Yeah, but tennis ball is more.

fun because you can really thump them. I never played stickball before. Jacko got hitting the balls once in stickball and it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Shout out. That's what's age the best. Jacko going to hit the balls. Baseball nostalgia in 1961.

They talked about like Joe D's 56th game hitting streak. We have so much sports now. Yeah. And there's so much clutter of all these different records. But in like 1961, it was really only baseball. Basketball was just starting. Football was basically just starting. They didn't care about hockey.

They heard about boxing and baseball. So when some sort of baseball record happened It was like the hugest It was like the equivalent of like 10 records now You know I feel like I really got screwed on this one Can I tell you why? Yeah

So this side of my family I'm talking about my mom's side All grew up in Queens But all Yankee fans Because the Yankees There was no Mets in the 40s and 50s In New York And they were diehard Yankee fans

And they are die hard Yankee fans To this day My dad is born in 53 The Mets don't come around Until he's 61 You know eight years old And he's like, I think I want to root for these guys. And my grandmother didn't...

Because they were like the hot new thing. Yeah, and my grandmother didn't have a strong enough influence to be like, don't be a schmuck. The Yankees are right here. And I've been stuck with the Mets. But you could have had the same sort of self-determination that your father did. You could have been like, I'm a Red Sox fan. No, because I was bullied by my father. Oh, okay.

And I look at Shay Stadium. And I look at Cee and how happy he is about Mickey. But it could have been me. When you went to Shea Stadium, did you feel... a real sense of inspiration there? Or is it just something that's like... I didn't have any other... I was never taking the Yankee Stadium.

I wasn't told about the Yankee history and the greatness until I didn't know about it until I was 10 years old. Damn. I got fucked. It's brutal. I have three more at which is the best. They pull off a narrator in this movie. As you know, I hate narrators.

The narrator actually works. A guy with the nickname Zero, just filed that one away is a good one. And then Terrell Hicks, which we mentioned. She was tall. She was beautiful. She was classy. Say it.

She was black. And that was a no-no in my neighborhood. Is Bronx Tale on Black Stars? Do you think? It probably was. Oh, it should be. My one's age to the best is, uh, is, um, mafia movies where guys go, get the fuck out of here.

It's like actually has a 100% hit right. Yeah. Good call. Anything for you, Sean? Uh, I mean, the casting of the young people is really good, you know? It's obviously what happened to Lila Broncato is really tragic, but Terrell Hicks, too, legend from Belly. I mean, she was, I don't know what happened to her.

Where is she? She's, I looked it up. Van has all the answers. She's been married since 1999. Shout out. 21 years. And I don't think the industry was for her. She has very devout beliefs.

I see. And she appeared in the film Belly with devout beliefs. Belly was, I think her, I think Belly was the thing that she went. It was like, that's too much. Road to Damascus moment. Yeah, that was too much. Not too much for me. Loved it.

Loved her in belly as well. What's age and best for me? Interracial relationships. Every single target commercial now, you see it. You guys know that. You guys see it like every. Why is like you show? Like Sean has like a compilation of target.

I'm just saying you guys see it now. You see it in the commercials. You know what I see it in the like prescription drug ads where like every family is biracial, multiracial. We're overcorrecting. It's cool. Black man. Dad uses Ozepic for his diet.

Exactly. You know what I'm saying? We see it every time. It's like a black man, white lady, little Drake running around. It happens every time. Obviously, racism is age pretty well. And like this stop snitching neighborhood Omerita that we talk about incessantly now in hip hop and everywhere, who's a snitch, who's not a snitch. Like the whole thing, like all of that stuff, it's still around today. Kid Cuddy Pursuit Happiness Award I mean this movie has the Beatles and Jimmy Hendricks I have come together I've come together I'm going to go I'm gonna zag

I'm gonna go the Donald Bird song that plays when they Oh That was mine They come up That's nice Christ the Redeemer Yeah that is mine

Big Cohoon or Burger Where best use of food and drink You know Little C I guess serving the coffees maybe Once a week steak Once a week steak We don't get like a chicken

Parmesan scene Or any sort of like his mom making meatballs, any of that stuff. Dennythies, Benny Hanna, where it's scene-sailing location. The bar is pretty cool. Shea Bippy, man. Come on. Which one?

Shea Bippy, the bar. Is there a kitchen and Shea Bippy? Probably in the back. Like the bar. Why don't we get any pasta sequence there? Yeah. Would you have for Great Shot Gordo, C.R. The Great Shot Gordo,

I actually have the lineup. Like when all the mobsters are lined up and there's a couple shots down the sidewalk. But I love the way that they're all looking direct into camera. and that's and that ceiling. I had Sonny getting shot. I like when it slows down

and the one face kind of moving and Sonny doing the come here, come here. I have to look. Is he going to point though? Because like the guy, he sees the guy and you're going to say, hey, Sunny. Well, he starts you on no.

Yeah, he says no, no, no. Oh, he starts pointing. I can't remember. I got Terrell Hicks there like on the bus. She just looks impossibly beautiful. It's like a really,

stirring scene and it was like really really awesome to me. I had the scene where young C and his friends are starting to chase after the bus with the black kid on it but then he turns around and his father's De Niro's in the window and he like gives me this sign and then it cuts back and you see C kind of caught between the two worlds right? Butch's girlfriend award weak link of the film it bothers me every time for a variety of reasons

but when C uses the N word it just doesn't add up and it's kind of just comes and goes I know it was 1968, but it's just a really weird move. And it just feels like that's a complete deal breaker for Jane and the family. And then they just kind of, she's like, hey, I talked to my brother. It actually turned out you weren't lying. It's like, but wait, what about the last conversation? I don't know.

I just wish it wasn't in there. It is, I think, a fair representation of how easily influenced kids are when they're surrounded by people who are constantly saying and talking about bad shit. Like, teenagers are fucking assholes. I want to hear you guys have this conversation. Do you want to hear three white guys talk about whether they're dropping an M-bomb and that? I want to know. I want to know where he's from.

So this is why I'd say. Probably true. And, you know, the thing is, for me, the big problem with it was once you've heard it, once someone's gone to, like, that length to, like, insult you. It's not like now we're a boyfriend, girlfriends. They've branded themselves. Right. They might be...

Let's go get some pizza. Now that they've said like, hey, you're so upset and this is what you're going to do. I've been through that. Now it's like, we at least have to address it, right? Yeah. It least has to be talked about. And I think that was kind of the thing in the movie.

I was like, oh, I did just move on. I know her brother lied, but her brother also heard you call her that. So it's like, whatever. What's age the worst? Other than the rampant 60s racism. The door test, now we don't have the pop-up knob. So that's... Hasin age well.

Lilla Brunke. Ricardo Jr. is not age well. I don't love C's run at the end, the when Harry met Sally, long jogging scene, when he's just over and over again, you hear this voice like, I gotta tell Sonny.

I had to tell him. I wanted to thank, Sony. He saved my life. I got to tell him. He saved my life. In like two hours of that guy's life, like where it's like he misses out on the car bomb. He goes back and forth to the black neighbor.

he goes to see Sunny, Sunny gets killed. Like, a lot happens. A lot of jogging. He's somehow not sweaty at the end of it. And then the Bronx Tale became a musical, which I found out during the research, and I didn't like that idea. No.

I'm just putting that in what stage the worst. What else do you have? Wasted talent. Wasted talent. Like, is it like that? I didn't find that. Okay. What are the songs?

I don't even understand. I think it's like a lot of duwob stuff, yeah. What do you have for what's age of worst here? The Mario Test. the Mario test and also just generally being like look at those broads over there this is not something

just the racism stuff yeah I think Molotov cocktail in an entire neighborhood that's pretty low on the list also shooting people in the street not

broad open daylight you don't see that too much probably some cell phones out now Ron Burgundy Flute Award best time for P-break so you think I find on Rupert Pete watching.

The Goodfellas. I like to get through the Francis Capra section as quickly as possible and get to the Broncato section. I think when he's jogging near the end

before Sunny got shot, great time to just get one out. Scoot away. No, honestly for me, and I went through this a couple,

honestly, it's the very beginning. That's what I'm saying, yeah. Yeah, just like all the like, do-wop was on the corner. Yeah.

I loved food. You know, like, all right, man. The Nick was playing center field. Yeah. Like, fucking shoot somebody then.

Honestly, it's the beginning. Yeah. It feels like a scene, like a, it feels like a one-man show. Yeah. Right. Like he's explaining the setting. Better title for this movie, I'm going to say now. They also worked the title into the movie.

Yeah. As you know, one of my favorites. I have a title. What do you got? Goodfellas two, Jungle Feas. That would work. Goodfellas two. Jungle Feas.

That was probably the alt. It's really a combination. That's what it's called in China. That was on the scripts. Best quote, Satest thing in life is wasted talent. Who has a Stephen A. Smith out of his take. I do, man. All right, let's hear.

Lorenzo had to take that money on the bus, man. Like, we're talking life-changing money at that time. Just bringing some numbers around. Also, like, if he takes the money, you could say that the sort of, like, butterfly effect from him taking the money is, like, maybe a couple people don't lose their lives. Maybe there's less racism in the Bronx.

I'm taking it one step further. Lorenzo's a bad dad. Yeah, that's my... Really bad. And him being, like, the, MTA might come down on me. It's like for running numbers. Like, are we really like that, is that that stringent oversight?

He's dishonest because he tells his sonny can be anything he wants to be. He can be anything in the world that he wants to be. But the working man is the real hero in the universe. And it's like, the working man is the person who gets fucked in this society. And everybody knows that now. Look at our world right now. Yeah. That was the wrong message.

That was not right. No, you don't have to live exactly like Sunny, but that was wrong. He should have said to see you need to be a content creator. That's right. So would you have had Lorenzo's wife maybe started an affair with Sunny? Maybe she goes bringing some meatballs. Yeah, then she starts going. She thought about it.

She was, she thought about it. You're sure you got out $150 a week. Yeah, she had her eyes on a prize. She didn't want to give back the money that's CMA. The 600, yeah. I literally have written down. I wanted Sonny to be his dad. Lorenzo was getting on my nerves.

Sunny to me was a better father, man. Sonny's got to take them further in life. Yeah. Shows the wrong dad. Casting what ifs? The aforementioned Catherine Narducci brought her nine-year-old son to the open casting call to audition for collogito. And they were like, hey. Are you saying collogito?

Collogito. That's how you pronounce it. Even though it's E-R-O? Yeah, it's Calogito. Can you say it? Half Italian. I mean, he gets it. He's got the ethnic. Well, she grabbed it.

And Vin, when did we then see Catherine Nardustra? Do she? Sopranos. And who did she play? She played Artie's wife. Oh, yeah. Sopranos, Artie's wife. She slept with Tony.

But she married with me. I always thought she was kind of smoking on that show. She was. Yeah. She remember Carmella hit her with her. Told her to come over like this. And then that broke them up. And then she had to tell Carmela,

she slept with Tony when Carmela went away. I mean, how can you resist Tony? Artie was so unhappy in his marriage. Yeah. That's tough marriage. Yeah. Frank Vincent. Our guy was to appear in a scene as the boss of the Mafia family and they ended up not filming it.

You know Frank Vincent. Yeah. And then the guy who played Sonny's Killer at the end of the movie was an actor named Philip Garberino. And he lost out to our guy, Lilla Brancato Jr. for the role. Wow. So that was how they worked him in. Overacting award. They knew and they let it happen.

Don't you call me, lady! I come in here. I give these things to you. Give me all your God! Give me all your God! I treated you like a son. You fucking stab me in the heart. Fuck you.

$20.00, Louis? I was going to say the kid who's young Tommy and Goodfellas, the crazy racist one. Yeah, that's a good one. Best that guy award. Kathleen Narducci, not eligible? She would be up there with me

and Dominic Lombardosier, but I think he's kind of now become... I feel like he's Dominic Labrador and Dozy between the wire and... Then entourage, pressure, over the top. I have Jimmy Whispers. I don't even know what that guy's real name is, but he's been in a bunch of stuff.

And he's just like, oh, Jimmy Whispers. I don't know what his name is. Clem Caserta. Deion Wader's Award. Honorable mention, Eddie Mush. This is easy. But it's got to be Pesci. It's like the definition of Diann Writers.

Pesci doing his Irishman character A little bit. Like 26 years early. Quiet, even keeled. You're just like that little smirk on his face, but like nice calm demeanor. Recasting couch. Do you watch The Irishman? Did you see that?

What do you think? You know I came around. Don't be a dick. We've litigated it. Masterpiece. Did you watch Wick 4 yet? Still haven't. You haven't seen John Wick 4?

I'm saving stuff. I want you to join you to join us. You're missing out. on the best dressed film character of all time. John Wickford? Yeah. Bill Scarcer? Oh my God, bro.

Like, it's ridiculous. You should watch the movie just for the wardrobe. That's not why Bill watches John Wickford. That's not why Bill watches John Wickford. I know. It's fantastic. I'm just waiting.

I'm waiting for the perfect time. Recasting couch. I don't love his friend group just from an actor's standpoint. It feels like we could have gotten one actor is famous now. Any actor with career prospects and do you want to play the most

racist person ever? I just wish there was. like somebody we knew now in there. It would have been funny if Adrian Grenier was one of the four. She was like Shaunae. There's so one note though. That's such bad movie character.

I know. Maybe that's maybe better actors would help. Have Fass Center Research. Chaz says Sonny was based on a guy. Two guys that he knew and he combined their personalities into one person. But he did

have a killing that he saw as a young boy and he said his father was named Lorenzo. a bus driver. Chaz's real name is Cologito Lorenzo Pomeroy. Oh. Most successful Chaz for you? Or Chaz from

back to school? Chas Bono? Is there a Chas? The famous Chas athlete? Is there a famous Chas athlete? I was thinking so. Didn't they have Chas? No. I don't know.

I think he's the most successful. Yeah. Congrats to him. Do you think that he gave himself the name Chaz? I think unfortunately, yes. It's a little tough.

Yeah. They couldn't find somebody to be Eddie Mush. Should I just be like call me Chaz? That's what I'm saying. Like, imagine one day you were like, I'm Chas now, guys. You're like, no, you're not. You're not. They couldn't find anybody to play Eddie Mush,

and they ended up finding the real Eddie Mush. And his name is Eddie Montanaro. And they cast him. And the first day they cast him, it rained on the set, and they couldn't film. Eddie Mush. The Biker Bar fight scene, this was in the research.

Some people think that was Rob Schneider is one of the people and it's not. But I like to think it was Rob Schneider. You can tell who it is that they think is Rob Schneider, but it's definitely not Rob Schneider. And then De Niro did get his commercial driver's license, Class B, and could actually drive buses. And they wouldn't let him.

So that happened. Apex Mountain. De Niro, no. Chas, it's those our usual suspects, but it's probably this, right? So Suspects is definitely a bigger movie. For sure. But he's not as central suspects, and this is his whole

fucking life thing. Brancato, yes. Pesci, no. I don't, I think, I feel like Chaz, it's the next year. Because he gets nominated for... He gets nominated for Bullets over Broadway for an Academy Award. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He sure does. So I feel like it's... You always put so much

stock in getting nominated for an Oscar. He's on a show that 50 million people watch. Ches Bippy, Apex Mountain. For that place, yeah, sure. Social clubs, Italian social clubs. Ches Bippy sounds like that could have been an athlete. I don't know what he's for it, but it's like, oh, they did Ches Bippy in the second round. We're excited.

Crap scenes, I'm going to say yes. I've got to go with the fellas, man. Father son. Not go to a casino. Casino. Yeah. Father's son movies, probably not, but in the conversation. Kathleen Narducci, no.

sopranos. Racist getting burned alive. Racist getting burned alive, I don't know. Apex. Okay. I can't think of another movie. Italian movies, no. Italian movie? Oh, it's a movie's about Italian people. I got tickets in Centerfield right behind the Mick. I feel like Apex Mountain. Isn't Django Unchained really more of the, you know, the end of Django Unchained?

Racist getting burned alive. This is where Sean really do get burned up. That's the best one. Yeah. I'm going to spin that one when I get home just for fun. The last five minutes of that movie, fucking amazing. Yeah, well, you guys are better working. You're going to join them in a buying by and buy.

Boom, shoots, that's the best. Apex Mountain for bus drivers in movies. It's just, it's this or Annie in Speed. Oh. Well, the guy and the original guy in Speed who ends up getting shot. Yeah. Yeah, what's his name like Frank? Yeah.

Yeah, he's the same guy from the Five Heartbeats that they have to get him off the bus. Yeah. Like that guy. Or Eddie? Is his name Eddie? What's his name? In Speed? Yeah.

I can't remember. Where Sandra Ball keeps coming on. She's like, oh, hey, Eddie, what's going on? There's nothing better than the just friendly repartee with the bus driver from the Harry later. Eddie, you're late again. Oh, Eddie. Almost left without you.

I just watched Speed. What a thrill. That's incredible. Re-speed? I think that's in the live re-watchables list for the rewatchable. Get on a bus going down to 10. You'll come to Philly with us to do Creed, right? I will.

We have to do speed to cruise control. No, we don't. No. Nobody would listen to that. More people will listen to Black Hat than Speed 2, I think. We'll find out. It's going to be to two. Black Hat and Country Strong for worst-rated rewatchels. I don't know. Michael Man's got his...

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Y'all did Country Strong? Yeah, we did it for Liz. I didn't do it. It's fucking awesome in the audacity. Best racehorse name. Kolojido. Three great woman for a Philly.

Is Kryptonite a good racehorse name or a bad racehorse name? I think bad. What about Satan's messenger? That's really good. That's a strong. That's really good. That's a great one. Pickin Nits.

This is an important one. Would a bunch of out of shape Italians really beat the living shit out of a Becker gang? This is the first fucking picking knit I have, Bill Sins. Okay, good. We're on the same wavelength. I just don't see the Satan's messengers getting washed like that. I mean, it was like a 10. seven round with the

stop. But they are mafia guys. They came in with weapons. And by the way, one guy had a gun on them. I want Solac to look at the tape here. Because there's one point he would do it right now. Chaz basically has five guys in his blind spot. He locks the door, walks back to the

middle of the row of the Satan's messengers, and there are five dudes who could jump him from the back. They're scared though. And he's waiting for his boys to come in through the side door to go get them. All of them are already heaving and out of shape and just walking 50 feet, they're breathing heavy.

And the same messengers guys are like full of speed. Yeah. But I feel like gangsters have the fighting equivalent of dad's strength. Or like no matter how fat or out of shape you are, you're really going to kicking the shit out of people. You know, like that's like your superpower if you're in the mafia. I'm pretty scared of biker gangs personally.

Yeah, they're pretty violent. Yeah. But I do think that they lost their heart. Because these are the off-brand guys, right? These aren't the hell's angels. I guess they're supposed to be, but like they lost their heart. They were, they had fear. And then all of these guys come in.

And plus a trope of these movies is that these mafia guys are supposed to be able to handle themselves, right? It's supposed to be good fighters. Yeah, but same, I would say the same about Hells Angels. I mean, I honestly, I don't, not to jump on sequel prequel, like sequel would just be like Hells Angels versus the mafia battle royals. I love that. You know who was not of any use in that fight? C. Yeah.

C was pussy. like C was like He's crawling out of there Yeah I know You know from my biker gang Reddit boards They do not like this movie

They don't like how they represent This fucking bullshit Are Biker gang We would put those guys We are Biker Gang So Little C After the murder happens

The cops are at his apartment Like 10 seconds later It makes no sense Bill you and me This is why you're the best, Dan. It makes no sense. Like, no sense.

The detectives are already there. There's also 50 people see this murder and they pick the nine-year-old to be the star witness. Right. There's nobody else? Any of the other people around. They're like, oh, the nine-year-old didn't identify anyone.

Why didn't Sonny just kill mush? Just take them out. Mushes all the bets. Just fucking put a bullet in his head. He's paying them. Yeah, but like when he shows up at the horse racing track, that's it. It's like, take care of this guy. You want him to shoot him at the track?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think that would have been a bit of an issue for Sonny. So at one point, Kathleen Narducci, she's like, I'm going to go in and check on the baby. And this was when C is nine. Never seen again. Don't know if it's a baby brother, baby sister.

We know it's a sister because he says you're my only son. Oh, okay. So baby's sister. But then we jump forward eight. ears just could have thrown in a little eight-year-old girl scene and mom making the meatballs, nothing. Well, the mother disappears. She does. She's

not in the second half of the movie. Yeah, so she's gone. Because they cut out the subplot when she starts to... I think she left them. Oh. I think she's tired of being broke. Yeah. She's sick of the fact she knows he had a chance to take... I don't think that divorce was very common in the 60s. Yeah, you're kind of stuck with her. Maybe not divorce,

but maybe she's across town with her sister. She's living a good life. You know what I mean? She's moving. She moved to my back. It's like, I think she left him. I think she got sick of his whaler than thou poor bullshit. What else? Nip picks, anything?

No, you took the two I had. No, that's all right. Hells Angels and eyewitnesses. No, it's all right. Anything for you, Sean? I just want to know how much of what he was doing was a purposeful homage to Goodfellas and how much of it was just like,

I also liked this about Goodfellas, so I'm going to do it again. Like a couple of needle drops that are just, there's like a moon glow song in here. Ain't that a kick in the head? There's like a couple of things. where you're like, you just did this. Like, why, why?

But you, the funny thing is, like, it's a good one. Yeah, why I picked that song of all the songs? It's like, Scorsese, couldn't say anything. You would have, you, if you're Scorsese, you'd be like, all right, Bob, you can go ahead and. I know, it's weird. There's no shortage of songs or ways to tell this story.

I know a lot of his Pomeranaries, right? So he's, he's following that. But I don't know. It's a little, it's still rubs me a little wrong way. To me, the Joe Pesci part of it is the thing. That's the one thing you really didn't have to do that would remind people of Goodfellas. almost seems like you were trying to stand on their block a little bit. A little bit.

Yeah. Maybe it's totally purposeful. And he's like, they're in conversation with each other. Or they wanted a big actor for that thing and he was tight with Joe Pesci. Any nitpics for you? No, just the one we already talked about, just the inward situation. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. The all black cast, other part of the neighborhood of a Bronx Tale is a really interesting movie.

It's just calling it a Bronx Tale. Yeah. I want to read the same movie. Yeah, I got the cast. Oh, here we go. That, Mahershala Ali. Okay. Oh, so you're going full, but is it the same kind of...

No, no, I'm redoing this movie. Okay. Okay. So, Mahershah Ali is Lorenzo. Okay. Sterling K. Brown, or maybe I got those, is Sunny. I like that. Shamee Moore. I like that because he gets to go against type.

Yeah. That's what's, yeah. It's like anyone that Sterling K. Brown had this side of him. Shameek Moore is C. Y'all know Shemke Moore? Yes, of course. And then Torell Hicks, Ginny Ortega.

Oh. Ginny Ortega. Because if we make her white, it's a whole different movie. That's what the... If it's white, then that's what the movie has to be about. You can't do the whole thing.

It's white. It's weird. And then you get into a situation where you have a bunch of brothers get burnt up in the car. I can't do that. So what... You don't have to get a note for note every...

No, but it has to be something crazy. So I got to... this, I think this should be made. I actually think a lot of times we do this all-black cast stuff, it's just like for shits and giggles, a lot of these movies were not going to be, but I think this would actually be cool. Like a Bronx tale or just take it to somewhere else, you know?

I'm with it. Detroit tale. You think Chris should write and directed. This is your thing. This is my story. This is your story. I have an announcement and it's based on this movie for the next category, which has always been is this movie better and we list

all the guys. I think it's time had Frank Vincent. Because... To add him to the movie? No, to add him to the category with Wayne Jenkins and Danny Trao, Catherine, Han, Steve Buscemi, and Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, and Philip Baker Hall.

Okay. Just for Italian movies, whether it just would have been better or Frank Vincent was part of it. So I'm adding him. But would this movie have been better with Wayne Jenkins, Frank Vincent, Dana, Trao,

Catherine, Han, Steve Bishamie, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, or Philip Baker Hall. I think it would be cool if Wayne Jenkins had been the fruit peddler. And he was like, God damn, see. I ain't know I was dealing with

a super gangster I got a whole card of fresh produce for you here and some motherfucking peaches take these to your mom and this card is horse-drawn so I'm gonna be going away a long fucking time

big boy Frank always wins Did you write that a lot I had to write that one Yeah that's good I don't really know Preparation this time I like what he prepares

Just one Oscar who gets it I was thinking I'm starting to give fictional Wayne Jenkins like an actual storyline. Who gets the Oscar for this? Chaz, best supporting? I'm zagging and going Chaz. I'm going Chas too. For performance?

Best supporting, yeah. Not screenplay. This screenplay is a little too sparse for me. Okay. I think it's a really good De Niro performance. I do too. It's actually true. So best supporting actor that year,

Hackman wins for Unforgiven. Nicholson, a few good men. So we just litigated this. Pacino, Glengarry, and Ross. David Pamer and Mr. Saturday Night is the bad one, and Jay Davidson in the crying game. So you could argue Chaz could have snuck in there. Yeah.

He's good. Yeah. He's really good. The Indian Reds-Owant-Nay Award for what happened the next day. I think it's an interesting choice that they don't show C. and Jane together again. Like the movie ends with him walking away with his dad, right? It doesn't end with him. you know, it's not about the romance.

You think so? Yeah, I think it's over. I think the neighborhood gets a little dicey. Yeah, the neighborhood's not flying. Oh, I'm dating the one guy left from the Maltaf cocktail car. Yeah. Yeah. Remember him?

Those are all his buddies, but he's cool. He's cool. He didn't go on the ride that day. Colosito Molotov. Yeah. Yeah, I think that one's a wrap. More unanswerable questions. We answered, was this the only normal movie marriage De Nader ever had in a movie?

the only normal movie marriage. He's not exactly like a husband and wife. It's a volatile. He likes to portray a volatile romantic relationship. What was the one, I used to like this movie, what was the one where he played the down and out guy and he had the romance, was it called Stanley and Iris?

Yeah, yeah. Who was he with in that? Is it Jane Fonda? Jane Fonda, he bought himself a car, she picked him up, that was kind of functional. Like, he didn't even know how to read it first, And then they became, you know. He has a kind of a nice little romance with Edy and heat, you know.

It's totally normal. Just leaves her. Just drops her off. All right, Sean, this is your big moment. Oh, my God. Probably unanswerable. Oh, go. We need to talk about this.

Who plants the car bomb? That's never unpacked. It's like there's... Is it the guy who killed him? No, well, online, it's like the Hells Angels did it. Oh. There's a lot of discussion. online about like Satan's messengers?

That checks out. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. But no, it's probably it probably wasn't them because they sent an assassin in to kill him so whoever's trying to kill him is probably the same people that guy's just shooting him. He's not doing a car bomb. Yeah, you think that guy who's just like his dad got

killed by Carmine like 10 years ago is like I'm also a car bomb expert? Well, I think that's how it's It tells Angels. That's the right one. I know. That's why I believe it. That was my thought was that it was a kid who killed him because it was like he tried to execute a plan and it didn't work. So he was like, my last option is I'm just going to kill him in one daylight.

He kind of goes down. It's like when he shoots him, it's like, I'm not getting out of this car. Yeah, I think it was probably a hit that came from another crew, another crew was trying to get him, and they tried to get him with the car bomb. Why are you saying crew like that? Because that's what they asked him to say it. I'm on crew, crewed up. And they tried to, they tried to get him with the car bomb and it didn't work. So they sent it. That was a dummy mission, because he walked in there. You know you're not getting away. Yeah. All right, Sean. It's your big moment. probably in answerable questions

Chaz doesn't bet on himself sells the script to De Niro De Niro is playing Sunny Martin Scorsesey directing how is this movie different I mean honestly it's a lot better I like this movie a lot

but when you're watching the movie you're like this is a first time filmmaker this is a guy who's doing a lot of shot reverse shot you know it's like it's pretty I think you're right. It's pretty straightforward, you know. It works really well. But like you said, the best part of the movie is a couple of performances and the lessons, the ideas.

The ideas of the movie are really strong of being trapped between these choices that you have in your life and figuring out the best way to come of age. If Martin Scorsesey shoots the movie, it's fucking exciting. It's thrilling. This is not a thrilling movie. Yeah. There's a lot more of like kind of cinematic energy to this movie if he directs it. But I also just cannot imagine him directing this after Goodfellas. One of the reasons it's so rewatchable is it's so easy to watch because it's like the best TV movie you've ever seen, which is what I like about it.

If Scorsese is in control, now that like the biker fight scene is now like one of the best six-minute scenes of the 90s. Right. You know the thing about the movie is it has a little, it doesn't feel like an important movie. Yeah, it's very, it's breezy. It's straightforward. Yeah, it's easy to watch. Right, yeah, it doesn't feel like an important movie. It doesn't take a lot.

You don't really figure out is why the bikers were in the Bronx anyway. Well, that was what I was going to say. It's like, are these supposed to be the Hell's Angels? The Hell's Angels hang out in the Bronx? That's why they were the Satan's messengers. They were like a rival around. They didn't have the same Jews. Probably the rejects of the Hells Angels.

Yeah, but like, why are they in the Bronx? Like, why stop in the Bronx? Oh, but remember you said they had a, they were rolling up bars? You think they were just going around, like messing bars up? Probably. But why would they do that in the Bronx? I mean, that seems like a death wish. But that's what I'm saying there's certain neighborhoods you just don't.

Don't do that? I'm going to ask the guys on R slash bikeer game. There's got to be a first guy. Hey guys, I'm back. One more question. C.R., what's your best double feature choice with this movie? It's not a very pleasant one, but it's boys' life. Same one I had.

Oh. Yeah. Okay. I like it. I wouldn't call that a fun night in, but. Hmm. It's a good one. I'll go with that.

What about you? Give me some Visconti. Give me some like a Neil Rinque. Rocco and his brothers? Yeah. Rock and his brothers would be a great one, yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie, Van? The burned car.

The burned car, the Molotov cocktail that got thrown back. The baseball bat. This is really easy. Baseball bat is one. Seas discarded baseball cards. It's like a fucking mantle looking in there. It's like 200K. Oh, yeah.

Great call. I had Sonny's car. Great car. That is a great car. What about Lorenzo's bus? Lawrence's bus. I didn't have. Coach Finstock,

saddest thing in life is. wasted talent. Who in the movie? I'm going to say probably Chaz, right? It's like the poster. It's the director and wonderful supporting actor or the guy who's like, this is my life story and I'm like a star-maker performance for me. You got to be Chas.

You can make an argument for C, but it's Chas. I think it's crazy Mario. Who's... See, what's what you... Who's Lorenzo's wife in Black Bronx, too? I'd have to think. I have to think because it's got to be somebody. Maybe he doesn't have a wife.

that makes it even more single dad can he have a white wife like a pharmacy glad that actress I mean you could like we could

she's parts for men generation she's just like Laura Linny right that works she or a nice

or Laura Dern because she's down with the community she is yeah yeah she's down with the community Ben Harper and Baron Davis

yeah Baron Davis. That was, yeah, that was the community. Craig, let's hear it. What did you think? It's funny. I was talking to Chris beforehand, and I had no idea. I don't really look into the movie at all,

because I just want to have my thoughts and then I learn from you guys. I don't want to have, I might as well not do the research if you guys are going to do it for me. You know what I mean? But I kind of was telling Chris, I was like, this movie feels like kind of whimsical

and like theatrical. And there's, I almost felt like in the beginning, like people could like bust into song at any moment. And I had no idea that it was a one person play in it now makes a lot of sense. So I agree with all you guys on that point. part. But the thing that's stuck with me is it does a really good job of like depicting that divide

that a young person goes through of like choosing what to take from your parents advice and running with that and then like also making your own path. And you kind of have to weigh like which of the things my dad is teaching me do I agree with and I will take with me forever and which do I think is like not right and I will like choose my own path and grow. And it's so funny because I even though Sean kind of was like, hey, Lorenzo is not a good dad. But. I don't know. There's something about like the hokey repeat advice that like your parents give you over and over and over and over and you always think it's bullshit. And then you like reach a certain age and you're like fuck they were right. Call me in 10 years. Okay. Because right now. Seriously. Okay. Maybe you're right. You know, I'm at that point in my life. I'm like my parents' advice is starting to come back around.

This is really interesting to me because of where I am in my life right now, which is I have a kid. I have a kid. And when you have a kid, the most important things are order and safety. Nothing can go crazy and everybody has to be safe. And the only way to do that is to have a strategy that you are constantly repeating in the house so that you brainwash your child so they don't run in the street, so they don't run away from home, so they don't do something terrible. And all the things that your parents told you make sense, but that's not necessarily the pathway to an exciting life and a life of, even a life of success. Because it makes you risk averse. And it's only been like a couple years ago where I was kind of like, oh, you know, some of the stuff they were saying, like, I actually get what they were saying.

But when I was 18, I was like, this is dumb. My dad used to straight up, I'd ask him why, and he would be like, so you don't die. He's like, you have to, you have to be more afraid of me than you are, like, in love with the street, because I can't have you out there. So it was just, it was nothing but rules. My dad was the exact same way. And all I, and the only way that I got, the only way that I got to express myself was, like, waiting to everybody left to watch a clockwork orange and get weird and watch Star Wars and a whole thing. of that stuff. But it was, everything in the house was just about, you must live. That's the way it went. Baton Rouge. Come visit. It changes over time. It's why it's a good movie, right? As the older you get,

you see it differently. Yeah, I've seen it through the different stages of my son, because like we talked about earlier, my son and I say the same things to him over and over again. Like when he's, he's going out on a Saturday with a couple of his friends and it's just like, dude, make good fucking choices. Like, and I have the same conversation with them every time. It's like, one bad choice, that's it. It could send your life going the wrong way, so just think about that. Big Sean. And I don't feel like I'll never stop saying that to him.

But in, you know, I think as your kids get older, one of the things you could do as a parent is just be like, I don't like that person you're hanging out with. That person's not coming to our house anymore. Yeah, but they'll reject that and they'll start hanging out with them more. Well, not if you beat the hell out of them with a belt.

That's the sound we're doing. I'm kidding. I'm sure. I don't know how many people in here were spanked. But that was kind of the dynamic. I was afraid. It was like I wasn't crossing him. My dad was like your dad Sean was a cop. And my dad was always like, have fun, have a good time.

But like if you make one, like you make one bad mistake, it's over and you're screwed. So just like do whatever you want to have fun. That's what we do. But you know what else? I know where, but you know what else was the thing for me? My dad was like, you know, my kids got caught stealing, right? Yeah. And then their parents went and got them.

And my father was like, if you get caught stealing, I'm leaving you in parish. Like, if you... You and I were raised so similarly. Like, if you get caught stealing, I'm not coming to get you. Right. But I'm not coming to get you. And then you're not going to want me to come get you. So I was like, you know what?

I'm not going to steal. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to steal. I was afraid because my dad would literally say that. He's like, I may be a police officer, but if you're in jail, I'm not going you're there. If you ever drive home drunk, like if you ever get behind them, like it's over.

Yeah. That's what we, Ben's going to be driving in four months. I didn't mean to laugh at that. Just knowing some of your takes now. That's what we said to Ben. Because he's going to be driving in like five, in four or five months where like, the alcohol thing is just a straight

non-negotiate one-time offense where it's done. That's not really an issue anymore. But you can still get in a car with some. somebody who's an idiot. Yeah, that's true. My parents used to say, I'd rather you wake me up at three in the morning and say, I'm drunk, come get me, than you get in a car. Yeah.

Same. It's a much more serious offense now in the world, too. Like, if you do it now, there's no tolerance. Last thing I'll say, I know me and Sean. So were you scared of, like, were you scared of your dad? Were you scared of your dad? Like, I was, when I tell you, I was scared of my, no, you weren't. No.

I respected him. Like, I knew that, like, if I screwed up, the hammer would come down. but he was a chill guy, but I knew that if I got to a certain point, it would not be good. So I was like... I would sit up straight with this motherfucker walking in the road. But I was not a disciplinary case

and I didn't start partying until I got to my, like, 20s, basically. I was scared of my dad's guilt trips, but not him physically intimidating. Yeah. This way. I never got in any trouble. And it just wasn't going to have... It's just interesting.

It's interesting. No, same. I was not... Yeah. I didn't call it problem. But this is such a great movie because it makes you think of all this shit that... Of your life. And even though, you know,

There's some things I would change about it, and it's probably too long, and maybe not the greatest director, but it just taps in the shit. Yeah. It's really weird. You know, just real quick, just one scene that, like, really, you know, and haven't lost my father, but one scene that really, really got to me that we didn't talk about at all, is the boxing scene. Like the- Being ashamed.

Oh, we should have talked about that. You're right. Being ashamed of the scene. That is the stuff that really a-finding. affects you like later on. That scene is fucking. Like that scene is his stuff like later on. When he's like, I don't want to sit with you if you don't want to sit with me.

I'm watching that scene and I'm like, I'm watching that scene and I'm thinking, dog, I would give, and I'm not going to like lose it or nothing, but I would give like whatever I had just to like sit down and watch Bonanza or like fucking any other things that he loved to do. Like it's ridiculous what I would do right now. I'd run straight to Santa Monica. Right. And back right now. just to sit down and watch Shane or any of those stupid movies now

and like watching him in that scene I was thinking you're gonna regret that bro and like that's kind of the stuff that like that's the stuff that you can't know yeah you don't know right and also in your mind I think that you play those moments back in your mind and you're like he was this great guy who just wanted to connect with me for a moment

but it's more complicated than that you know what I mean or it was for me it was like it was it was like I had lots of really precious moments with my dad, but it was also like, there were sometimes where he was emotionally unavailable. And I think Lorenzo's probably the same way. I think that, like, for as much as he's like, like, I want to take you to a boxing match or whatever, he's probably also a hard ass who wasn't, like, sensitive to, like, this growing kid's needs. And also not fun to be a racist. It's why I like that they made his Lorenzo racist. I thought that was the right choice.

Seriously, though, to make sunny, because, like, Lorenzo was like, he wants to keep his son safe. I'm like, he cares about a son, best interest have a son. And you're like, yeah, but there's also parts of him that is not good for C. And I thought that was a really smart choice. Yeah. Your parents are fallible. Yeah. Except when Dr. Bill is on the rewatchables.

Infallible. He's ready for another one. I'm like, Dad, settled down. This is a once every couple years thing. I think he would do well with Wick four. Do you want to know what his review of Equalizer 3 was? He said it was a six o'clocker. Okay, so not quite a five o'clocker.

What does that mean? What's the different? than a five o'clocker but not quite a 7.30. Yeah, he has a thing about... Like, taken two is a five o'clocker. There's like a meaningful difference between five and six. I think it's like, it's not quite a dinner and a movie movie. It's not like a marquee event, but it's kind of late afternoon

I'm going to kill some time. So what's like the best possible time? Well, for an action movie, you really want, like a five o'clocker is the most fun. We would rank movies based upon whether or not we would see him at the I-pick. because at the I-pick it's not really about the movie because it's a small screen, it's all of that stuff.

So it's like, if we really want to see a movie, we'd have to go to the arc light, rest in peace, I still can't believe it. It's going to come back. The arc light will resurrect. But if it was a movie

that we just kind of wanted to go to the movies and like eat a bunch of fries, then it's like an I-pick movie. I forgot to tell you the worst idea of all time is about to happen. The Alamo draft house is opening up in Boston. That's not going to go It's going to be a little rowdy.

That is not going to go. Oh, yeah, the joint. I've never been there before. Eating and drinking in a big theater. The town to shine working as a leader. I just. It's going to be the first movie theater with like multiple security guards. How many whiskey ginger is serving per movie, you know?

It's definitely going to be a scene. Will you shut the fuck up? I'm trying to watch Killers in a Flower Mooney. Shut the fuck up! This podcast was produced by Craig Roebbeck. Chris, Sean Van. Great to see you guys. And we'll be back next week with,

it's my birthday next week. So it's the annual gigantic movie we do if the rewatchables coincides with the birthday. I guess not totally annual, but very excited for next week. See you.