The Rewatchables - ‘A Star Is Born’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: February 11, 2019

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Sean Fennessey are off the deep end as they rewatch the 2018 sensation ‘A Star Is Born’, starring Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga, directed by Bradley Cooper. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I don't sing my own songs. Why? I just don't feel comfortable. You come sing that song. What I love? No, I can't do that. Oh, yeah, he was twice too. All right, Sean Fennis is here.

Man of Dobbins here. I'm Bill Simmons. We are breaking a rule. We're doing a newer movie, which we did last year with Get Out to some success. And now Star is born, which is going to be a loser at the Oscars. And we might as well just start there.

Might as well make the case now. I don't really know what happened with this. I watched it again this week. It's a really good movie. It's really well directed. It's exceptionally well acted. It has awesome moments in it. And Rami Malik is minus 250.

to win best actor as we're taping this. And Bradley Cooper is 10 to 1 odds. And I got to say, I usually understand most things. I don't understand this. Sean, explain it. I can't explain it. I guess there are a couple of factors that are going on that or why that's not going to win, which I guess is Roma has been very powerful,

and Green Book has been more powerful than we expected. But I don't know, there's like a bad tweet from me in October that's like, as far as I can tell, A Star is Born is going to go. go five for five and win all the big categories here. Why not? And I don't, it's probably not going to win anything. How does it not at least win the Bradley Cooper best actor? Romney Malick, he's got big fake chomper's in. He's lip-sinking. It's a actively bad movie that's like poorly edited and directed and he's going to win best. Would that be the worst movie anyone's ever won best actor for? Probably not. A recent sense of a woman is up there, I would say.

I don't know. I learned a lot about what to do and not do at a boarding school. Sure. I mean, Darkest Hour was not a masterpiece. Yeah, there's a bad example. Bohemian Rhapsody is like bad. Like there's a clip that's going around about this one scene, how bad the editing is, because I guess I got nominated for Best Editing.

It won the editing award from the Editing Guild over the weekend. Yeah. And it's a scene that's just cutting chopily between all of these four guys. Yeah. Anyway, so what happened with Bradley Coombe? Why'd we turn out in Amanda? I mean, Sean and I on our Oscars podcast have been kind of gnashing our teeth about this for three months and have not gotten any answers because I feel the same way you do. It's mystifying to me.

My best theory is that Bradley Cooper is splitting his own vote. And some people are like, oh, wow, what a great acting performance by Bradley. And so other people are like, oh, great, what a great directing. He debut by Bradley. And some people are just kind of, he's not getting enough eggs in one. basket, if that makes any sense. He doesn't have enough people, not just writing for the movie, but writing for a specific aspect of the movie. I don't know. That's, I mean, it's irrational to me, but that's my most, my best attempt at a rational explanation. You hit on this actually a couple

weeks ago on a podcast when you talked about how this is a little bit of the heaven can wait Reds thing, where I think there's a lot of people who also just think it's not yet Bradley Cooper's time. Yeah, you haven't earned this yet. This is his first shot at it. It's like saving private Ryan, earn this. Exactly. I really understood what that meant. Yeah, and I just think people don't want to give him the benefit of the doubt. They don't want to say, on your first shot, you nailed it, son.

Well, we're doing this as a rewatchable because it is exceptionally rewatchable. Totally. The first hour really lights out. I think it's the third or fourth time I've seen this movie. Once in the theater and I got the screener watched it, then my wife and my daughter watching it got sucked in a third time. Should we go back to the moment when we weren't sure if this was going to be the worst movie of all time or the greatest movie of all time?

I think it's one of the greatest ringer sagas we've had. Yeah. Because the word on the street came out, they were doing this, and we thought it was hilarious. It's like, oh, my God, what a beautiful disaster this is going to be. Then the trailer came out, and it was kind of eye-opening. Because it seemed like a real movie, and Bradley Cooper seemed like a different guy. And Gaga wasn't wearing makeup. And it was like, what's going on here?

That's totally true. But there were also still elements of, there were questions like Bradley Cooper's face was just really, really red in the window scene, the now-famous scene. And it was immediately turned into a meme. And it looked like a real movie, but you couldn't tell whether it was a good movie or a good, bad, memorable movie. We decided pretty much immediately that no matter how it played out, it was going to be awesome for the ringer and that we were going to be able to get content in it. We definitely went all in. It was either going to be great or awful.

And there was no in-between anymore. When we saw the trailer, I think we were all shocked by how good it was. And I saw it in a movie theater in Santa Monica Relatively close to when it came out And I mean people are crying at the end You could hear a pin drop My son who has the attention span of a mosquito Was locked in for two hours

Really upset after that Jackson Main took his life It was just really good And it was like a rare It reminded me to go in and see Get Out the year before It was just like Oh that was kind of a memorable experience Seeing this in a movie theater Yeah, my experience, I saw it in New York. I was on a New York trip, and I was supposed to see it in a screening room before the movie came out. And, you know, screening for studios tend to seat, I don't know, 40 people, something like that. A fairly small amount of people. Last minute, it was late September. The studio announced that the air conditioning had broken in the screening room. So they were relocating us. So they relocated us to the Dolby Room at the AMC in Times Square, which is one of both the, one of the great movie palaces in America.

and also one of the worst places in America. To get to that movie theater sucks. It's so painful, trudging through Times Square. And then to get up to the Dolby Room is like three different escalators and very complicated. Finally, I get up to the theater. And it's a massive movie theater. It seats hundreds and hundreds of people. They all have lounger chairs.

And there were about 12 people in the screening. So 12 people in this wildly cavernous room, the music as loud as can be. I was sitting all by myself all the way in the corner. I think I broke down crying three or four times watching the movie. I was just kind of like, I wasn't ashamed of that, but it was sort of like doing it in solitude but surrounded by 10 other people. It was an interesting experience. Where did you say it? I saw it at the arc light on opening night on Thursday night.

That's wonderful. Yes, and if I may add a personal anecdote, I saw it with Sean's wife. That's true. And we went together and this is, this might provide a bit of insight, if I may, quote Sean's wife. We saw it together. I was extremely excited and invested because the ringer had really. amped me up for it and I was totally blown away by it and really moved and crying at the end. And I think, Sean, your wife really liked it, but she immediately had some notes.

Yeah, she did. And it was very clear to me that some of it was just, you know, when you invest in something, it often gives back to you. And I think that is the ringer's experience of The Star is born. I agree with that. And I have enjoyed the journey and we're going to continue on it right now. But not everyone, it doesn't mean as much. everyone as it does to us. We've gotten plenty of pushback. People are like, why do you guys like this so much often?

So we should probably talk about why we like it so much. My wife, for example. Those are the wrong people. I don't need those people in my life. They're going to be in your comments soon. My wife, though, is, I think one of her notes was, wait, this is a remake. Literally she did. The credits on the, I feel really bad, but I love this story. The credits show up and it's like crediting the old versions with John Gregory and Don and Joan Didion. And she's like, Wait, they made other? There are more of these? So we should say, I mean, this is, they made this three times.

Yeah, this is the fourth remake. I don't remember the Bollywood 2013 version. So they did 1954, 76, 2013. I'm actually old enough to remember the 1976 one, which was a really big deal because Streisand was probably the biggest female star in the world when that happened. She was one of my favorite actors because she made What's Up Doc, which was like the first movie I saw in the theater. Really?

multiple times. I love that movie. That's an awesome movie. So then when this came out, the way it was marketed and Chris Christopherson being in it, and I just kind of remember her. It must have been like six or seven, but, you know, she had the weird perm. It was like the first time she'd had that, and she was going to sing. And what did she sing in that movie? And he's really good in it. And I thought, for years, I thought Chris Christopherson was an actor. I didn't know he was like a singer. That's probably the highlight of his acting career, because then he did Heaven's Gate four years later.

Yeah, he's had a couple of other. The movie made a shitload of money. Yep. But I don't think was regarded that warmly. But what's interesting is, like, people like my mother and one of my neighbors, Andy, the 70-year-old and up ladies, partial to the old one. They don't like the new one. They, like, grizzled Chris Christopherson really a disgrace to women.

And you can't rein this guy in, Cooper, a little too weak for the 70-year-old and up. This is probably pretty predictable. but I much, much, much prefer the Judy Garland James Mason one from the 50s. Wow. I think that's like a... I think the 70s version is pretty bad. It's bad. You know, it is Streisand kind of at the peak of her fame and power,

but the movie itself is very badly written and it's long, so long. Incredible house for him, though, in that movie, though. Oh, the house is great. The Chris Christaferson houses. But, I mean, the Streisand numbers, the musical numbers just stopped the movie for 10 minutes at a time. She wrote so many of them. I found it excruciating.

And I actually, it was on Netflix, I believe, over the summer, and in a Star is born anticipation, I was like, oh, you know, I should watch this again. Had to turn it off 90 minutes in. I could not abide. Well, the hit song was in the closing credits. It didn't even crack the movie, which I think was a major mistake. Like, they didn't end the movie with the song that became the hit. So, Ariar the Gate, were much better shit than 76. I think all of us were just stupefied that it was going to be Bradley Cooper as Chris Christofferson slash Eddie Better slash whoever he's trying to be. I mean, it wasn't originally. It wasn't necessarily originally.

No, but I'm saying when it came out. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think he's... This is like a real transformation. You know, the big story of this movie, as great as Gaga is, as fun as the music is, as impressive as it is, as a filmmaking feat. Like, this is completely built around Bradley Cooper for Bradley Cooper. And it's him... Directed by Bradley Cooper.

Yeah, Bradley... Directed, he hired everybody. He chose every little bit and piece. There are a lot of long, loving shots of Bradley Cooper's... body and his face in this movie. You know, like, he's really, he's flexing, literally and figuratively. And it's weird that it worked out.

I would not describe myself as a massive Bradley Cooper fan before this movie, but he really, he convinced me. I think that's the amazing part of this movie is this should have gone terribly. Totally. Every part of this is like a checklist for, oh, I've seen this become a disaster for Kevin Costner and Waterworld or, like,

whatever you're going to pick. And this time it worked. The specific, like the miracle of this movie was made even more obvious to me a few weeks ago when a clip of Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga performing shallow together in Vegas went on the internet. That almost destroyed our slack. Yeah, it did. It did. It was like in eight different slacks at the same time. I thought I had hallucinated one of the conversations because it was in a different room. But I thought it was very charming that they did it. And I was excited. And as, you know, in terms of campaigning, I wish they had done this three. months ago because maybe they would be winning some Oscars right now. I found the performance pretty awkward.

And in part because they were performing as Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga and not Jackson Maine and Allie. And they kind of, the extra performativeness, the lack of chemistry is what I expected from the original movie. And somehow they managed for the course of filming to actually transcend it and make something good. But it's amazing to me because what it could have been is literally on Instagram. You can go watch it.

What I liked about that was he seemed nervous. He forgot to use his Jackson, mean voice. He actually was using his normal Bradley Cooper voice and just did not have the charisma. And I mean, we're going to talk about some of the rewatchable scenes. But he's so good in this movie as this, the best thing in the movie, obviously, is when she finally goes up on stage and she's singing. But like, you see him in the background and he's just like really enjoying it. He's like sucking her into it. And he's just incredible.

And when you see that clip, you're like, how did he? I have no idea. See that. It's like the beard gave him magical powers. Not to mention great beard. It's really hard to grow a beard like that. I certainly can't. The hair is amazing.

I studied his face when I rewatched it. And I was trying to figure out why I can't grow a beard like that. And what are the, because it's not a perfect beard. It's pretty patchy in his cheeks. But he's got this mustache to goate connection. It is very Chris Christopherson-esque, you know. We've got to gotten some help. We don't know if that it was 100%.

He might. We see him get shot full of steroids in the movie, so who knows if he was using the real thing. Can I ask a beard question? Yeah. For that length? Because it's pretty long. How long would that take to grow it out to that length? Pence, I know certain people who are just hairy who could ban it out in a week and a half.

For me, it's probably six weeks, eight weeks. Okay. Thank you. So Cooper, we know this story, but it's worth doing the little backstory here. Wedding Crashers, he kind of goes on the map in 05. 2009, he's just not that into you in The Hangover, which I recently watched, he's just not that into with Zoe Simmons.

And it's kind of an amazing rewatch. There's just a ton of people in it. They do. They just keep popping out of closet. Yeah. It's not the one where he's cheating on someone with Scarjo? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, okay. 2010, the A team. Miscalculation. Here's where I bought into Brad the Cooper as a superstar, and it's on my old podcast on ESPN. Limitless. Limitless was a good movie that he's, like a star in. That was the first time

I watched him and went, oh, he's a star. I didn't realize it until that movie. Definitely a star, definitely not a superstar, though. That's like a very well-made, competent thriller that we like, that we will always watch. But it's not a movie that is like, this guy is going to be on stage at the Oscars someday. It's like, this guy can carry movies, you know? For me, it was like, this guy can be an A-List movie star. It was my takeaway. I did not see the Oscars.

Yeah. But that's not a very good movie that the charisma of the lead guy has to be the only reason you're going to watch that. Kind of an underrated premise for they turn into a TV show, too. I like the premise of the magic bill. But from there, it takes off. Hangover, too, we'll put it over there. Silver Linings Playbook, American Hustle, Hangover Three, we're going to put over there.

Okay. American Sniper. Yes. 2015. Aloha, Burnt, and Joy. What a weird year. Incredible run. Oh, my God.

Alo. I forgot about Aloha. On the heels of American Sniper, which really is one of the biggest American drama hits of the last 20 years. Huge, massive movie. Clinius would directed. Obviously, he becomes a very important dude to Bradley Cooper here.

Aloha, Burnt, and Joy. I stand by Burnt. It drives Chan crazy. He thinks it's an atrocity. There was early in the ringer's history, there was a month where I think we all just communicated via burnt quotes, I guess. That was a very special time.

Yeah, I like Burn. I don't really remember Joy other than not liking it. And then War Dogs in 16, but at that point he had been thinking of Starsborn. And is he the biggest male star we have right now? Or would you still say Leo? I think it's Leonardo DiCaprio. I mean, I think there are guys who can kind of more consistently open a movie no matter what.

Like, Mark Wahlberg basically opens a movie almost every time he's in a movie. It doesn't mean the movie's good. But he has to basically be Mark Wahlberg. Yes. I think the difference in Bradley Cooper and Leo is I don't think Leo could have played this part. No. And I think Bradley Cooper could play more of the Leo parts than Leo could play for Bradley Cooper. I disagree.

at this point in their careers. I disagree. I agree with you. You disagree? Yeah. I don't think. I think this is actually kind of firmly in Leo's wheelhouse.

A stars born? Yeah. But here's the thing is that Leo's at the phase of his career where he's just playing Leo in every movie. That's what I mean. I think he's giving up on trying. The transformational aspect of this Bradley performance, which again is partly because Bradley Cooper has not had as many chances at these types of roles to totally lose himself in a character or recreate himself in a character in this way. I don't know if Leo could write and conceive and shoot a movie like this. I also don't know if he can sing or play the guitar, which is something that Bradley Cooper does,

which is pretty fucking hard to learn how to do. And he does it fairly convincingly here. I wouldn't say he's perfect. But just purely performance, I don't know, I'm a pretty big Leo, a pretty big believer in Leo being able to kind of do, not anything, but anything that demands magnetism. That is like his greatest skill is look at me and look at what I'm doing. And that's, Bradley Cooper, to me, this is the first time he ever fully, fully has that. He's incredibly interesting and charming and weird and obnoxious in the hangover.

And he's really good in the David O'Russell movies. I felt like he had that in the hangover. Yeah. I thought he was really good in the hangover. He is. But he gets to only do it for sort of a third of the movie. A lot of the time we're with Zach Alfenakis. He has to be at the center of this.

I disagree. I don't think Leo could have done it. I don't think he would have, I don't think he could have put it up the singing in the, in the guitar. And I always would have felt like it was Leo. and I think what was interesting about Cooper in this, you really don't feel like it's Bradley Cooper. It's like... You don't...

Yeah. It becomes this other person, which you're always my favorite. And then Lady Gaga with no makeup also seemed like its own human being that I hadn't really experienced before. Going no makeup for basically, what, two-thirds of the movie?

Yes. Yeah, there's like an aspect of that that we should discuss, which is the movie is premised upon this idea that is true also to Lady Gaga, which is that Lady Gaga, this feeling that Lady Gaga has no self-worth because people don't think she's beautiful. So she creates songwriter, she creates singer, but she's ugly, quote unquote.

But like, Lady Gaga is not ugly. And I know she's not porn star hot or whatever, whatever the assignation that you want to provide it. She doesn't look like Cindy Crawford. But she is like an incredibly striking person. And the way that Bradley Cooper's character talks about her is totally believable. You know, like, we were just talking about Barbara Streisand. Barbara Streisand is not a classically beautiful, one. in the sort of painterly 20th century way.

But she has like a real command of any time she's in a room because she has a look. And Lady Gaga has a look. So that's the one thing as I watched the movie again, I was like, is the reason that this person isn't a big star because she's not pretty enough? That doesn't seem to really watch with me. What she says is because somebody didn't like her nose or something. Yeah. Yeah. And which is based on Lady Gaga's telling of her own experience.

So some of it is less like Lady Gaga doesn't feel that she's beautiful and more that, you know, a bunch of assholes in the music industry, of which we know that there are many, did not feel that Lady Gaga looked like Cindy Crawford and told her so very rudely and that, then she wisely used it in her myth. I agree with you that she is extremely attractive and one of a kind in her appearance, and that has played a huge role in her success, because she's also used it. Yes. I think also she's weirdly better suited to being a movie star even than a pop singer,

because what she has is big features. Movie stars always have, you know, Betty Davis eyes, or they have Barbara Streisand's nose. They have these sort of signature things. Lady Gaga is sort of all features. When you look at her, you're like, wow, sure, that's an Italian-American girl from Long Island, for sure, no doubt. But she has star quality.

She has, like, face charisma. Yeah, on the 50-foot screen, it did. Some people can't hack it. She felt like she belonged on the screen. I disagree and I agree because I think, I think the thing with Lady Gaga is she doesn't seem to feel like she's attractive. I always thought she was prettier than she gave herself credit for

her, but it seemed like a big theme of her whole career was like trying to hide her face and do these weird wigs and masks and like she was ashamed of how she looked or something. That's how I was surprised that she even did this. Yeah. And that she did it without makeup. It was so opposite of everything we knew about her. It's exciting.

She's really great. She's really great. She has some... She has chops. You know, she's not... You guys saw the way if I didn't. Oh, it's ridiculous. Like, Glenn Close is an incredible actress.

You like Glenn Close, too. I know she's been in so many good movies, but I mean, it's stupid that Lady Gaga's not winning. Or Olivia Coleman or pretty much every other person in the category should win over Glenn Close. Like, that movie is such a nothing-perger. Pretty much, yeah. A hundred percent. She hasn't won't yet, right? No.

She won Best Supporting? No. She didn't win for Garp? No. She's been nominated six times and she's never won. She holds the record for the most nominations about a win. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Tough beat for Gap. I remember reading this quote and sending it to Amanda because I was so delighted by it when Bradley was doing press. Oh, I love these. Let's go. Do you want me to read them in the Bradley voice? Yes, I do. Or the Jackson main voice. I would love to hear your Bradley voice, actually.

I don't. What is the Bradley voice? It's just a little higher pitch, right? I don't know what that is. So he said he was. he was thinking about Quinn Eastwood was going to direct this movie and he wanted Bradley to be in it.

And he was 38 at the time and he said, I don't know if I could buy me like that. And then he said, and then life happened and we wound up doing American sniper, which aged me. And then a year of doing the elephant on Broadway, age me. I like when people say things like that.

Well, as you know, being on Broadway for a year can age you. And then he felt like he was ready. This is the money shot, though. I love Clint Eastwood. I look up to him so much. I always had in my mind, well, he was 41 when he made Played Misty for me.

So I always thought when I get around that age, then I'm just going to direct, which seems so pompous before we saw the movie. I was like, are you fucking kidding me, Bradley Cooper? Oh, well, you know, Clint made Play Misty for me, and so this would be my time now. And then he's a really good director. Yeah.

And there's real nuance in this movie. And like he obviously was right. So the first time that we ever saw Bradley Cooper was not in The Hangover. It was not in Wedding Crashers. It was not on Alias. It was on Inside the Actors Studio when he was sitting in the audience and asking questions. And we know that he is obsessed with careers and mythology around careers. And that's like, that's what this is.

This is totally myth-making. You know, it's creating a persona for himself as a great filmmaker. Do you think he looked, he thought out his IMDB, like two, three years yet? No doubt. Yeah. Because to me, it's like the tragedy for him that he would probably never say publicly is that he had to do the other two hangover movies. Yeah, he got really rich off of those. No, I know he did, but just he probably looked, because he has enough money now, he probably looks back.

He could have said I worked with David O'Russell and I worked with Clint Eastwood and I worked with da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Like, he had the resume. I mean, that's why he was in Aloha. Yes, you can't underestimate. I mean, we did, right, Cameron Crow. Exactly. He was working with great filmmakers, even though they weren't great films. Poor Aloha.

Is it poor Aloha? Poor Aloha. We should do in unwatchables on Aloha. Aloha is fascinating. That movie is all in my wheelhouse. I love Hawaii. I like Bradley Cooper. I like camera crow.

Emma Stone, man. Emma Stone? It's tough. How does that not work? Well, it's because she was supposed to be playing a person of Asian descent. Yeah. That was a misread of the internet. It was also a bad movie.

That didn't help. It didn't work. But Todd Phillips, you know, we did old school on this show a couple months ago. And Todd Phillips is super important to the Bradley Cooper myth, too. This is clearly one of his best. Do the thing. What did he say? He had the quote.

What did he say? Didn't he give him, like, send him a letter? I wish you believed in yourself. Like, I believe in you or something. Yes, which is great. Todd Phillips has inspirational force in Bradley Cooper's life is just tremendous stuff. And Todd Phillips is a producer on a Star is born. I have no doubt in my mind that those guys had long three-hour phone conversations

talking about the art of filmmaking, even if it's about old school or even if it's about a Star is born. It's funny. We're going to get through 2008. with these 2018 Oscars. And the same thing's going to happen that always happens, where we're going to remember like these four or five movies, actors, whatever, none of them are going to be rewarded at the Oscars somehow.

That's true. Black Panther will get shut out. This movie will probably get shut out unless I still think Bradley Cooper has a chance. I hope so. Just because of Rami Malik, he's lip-sinking in the movie. It's terribly directed. I agree with you entirely and have been on this for months. I don't understand that performance.

but I mean, actors love big acting. They love seeing other people get to dance around on stage and, you know, express themselves. And I feel like this is the classic, we don't want to reward the movie, but we do want to reward. This is the movie that will love. This and Black Panther will be the first two movies people remember, I think, from this year. Yeah, they're 18. They're also the first and third biggest hits in the year, too. It's not like these are obscure, strange movies.

They represent something meaningful to audiences. So it's just kind of weird that they're overlooking it. Honestly, I think Bradley Cooper's running third to Christian Bale. I don't think he has a chance. Wow. It's too bad. I mean, we would have... Christian Bail gained the weight?

Yeah, I mean, he gained the weight. It's a transformation. It's a guy who's kind of universally respected. He was really good in that movie. He's great. I'd be okay with that. I'm not good with Rami Malk. Sadly, I think people also remember that movie in 2018 because guess what?

A lot of people liked that movie. My kids have a day. My son's watched it like seven times. it's just like a family movie. It's like summer vacation. Let's go see Bohemian Rhapsody type of movie, which is really hard to do. All right.

The categories for a Star is Born. Most rewatchable scene. This is almost unfair. This is the first time I really feel like... Clear winner? Yeah, it's just... We just have to go through the motions, but I also have eight scenes here.

I thought we were just going to do some honorable mentions. Well, that's what I thought we could do the second most rewatchable scene. Yeah, okay. With the understanding for listeners that the performance of shallow by far is the most rewatchable scene. I mean, that's one of the best like seven minutes of this century.

No doubt. Preach bell. So here's what I have for the runner-ups. The drag bar scene. Mm-hmm. Not my personal favorite, but I think he's really good in it. And watching his face as he's watching the whole thing and everything he's going through, I thought was pretty cool.

So that's one. When he sings, maybe it's time to let the old ways die. In the drag bar. They're like, hey, can you play something? Yeah. Maybe it's time to let the old ways die. Maybe it's time to let the old ways die. And at that point, I intentionally didn't watch anything with this movie other than that one trailer.

But, I don't know, I was kind of good to see him break it out and actually do like that. He sounds good. All right. This is cool. This is an Eddie better wannabe. Playing that be spectacle, be spangled guitar. No? Oh, yeah. The parking lot scene, which you can go on YouTube and just search the parking lot scene and it comes up, which I think it's interesting. It's trumped all the other parking lot scenes in the history of parking lots. Yep. I drove by that Super A few weeks after a Star is Born was released and I put it on Instagram. And it was definitely the most Instagram engagement I've ever gotten over anything, like, over anything. Like, not my wedding, not anything. People are just like, holy shit, it's the grocery store. The Super A. Yeah. Gaga's first song on stage was. which we'll dive into in a second.

The Bradley Cooper, Sam Elliott fight, is it great, like 80 seconds? Amazing. The underrated, I'll always remember us this way song. When the sun won't play for us this way. Really good Gaga. It's like her last great musical moment in the movie before she becomes a pop star.

That's just a great three minutes. I was going to save this for a different category, but I just want you to know I wrote that down. I agree with you. That song is, we haven't been paying enough attention to it. Is that song, has that song become a hit yet? It feels like that song's going to have a run. Because Shallow swallowed up everything there for three months.

But that song will have some legs. It's definitely the standout among like the Star is Born soundtrack hive, which is a separate group of people who spend a lot of time listening to the soundtrack. Yeah. And they were, they immediately identified that. I should say Juliette Lippman immediately identified this song as the best. pop song in the movie. And Juliet knows what she's talking about. Well, you know, my

daughter who likes to sing songs all the time and will probably sing at least one of these songs on stage at some point over the next four years in some sort of school, something. This is like the perfect song for her. It's just it's got the nice beats. You get to go up and down. It's a little mellow. You get to kick in. Shallow's tough because

shallow's going to lead to a lot of bad elementary school, middle school and high school moments with people trying to do the It's just going to go wrong. It's like whenever somebody tries to take on Adele, it's just like... These are unhittable notes.

Don't ride the dragon. Just don't. Lady Gaga is elite. She is at the highest level of being able to hit those notes. You can't do shallow. Don't do Adele. Don't do Wendy Houston's... I will always love you.

You can't do that. Stay away. That's over here. You can't touch that one. But that'll be a bit. one of my advice for the young ones out there. I got a lot of other scenes. I have a couple more.

The Grammy scene, which is really funny now. Is it rewatchable? It's so uncomfortable. It hurts. It's funny now, though. If you know what's going to happen, it's actually kind of funny

and he's standing out. So it's so funny because that is one of the most replicated scenes throughout all the remakes. You know, in the 50s and 70s version, they're very similar. You know, that same sort of embarrassment that happens there. And there was something really funny about Halsey being in that scene.

Because I feel like Halsey is in real-life Alley. You know, we haven't really explored that much. But that, I didn't like watching that scene. I loved re-watching this movie last night. But that scene, I walked out of a glass of water. My wife and I were like dying laughing. I don't know why. It's just, it's so over the top.

It is. That he really doesn't need to pee on himself. But it's like, they're saying, we really got to, like, humiliate this guy. What can we do? Yeah. I guess that he didn't shit in his. pants, which was nice, but in the Chris Christopherson one,

which you just watched, did you get to that part before you stopped watching? So it's either the Grammy, it's the greatest, right? And he kind of wanders to the side, but he doesn't actually go on stage, but causes a ruckus, but it's a much more low-key. It almost looks like the Golden Globes. It doesn't look like the big thing now. And then

the Cooper Elliott final scene. Sure thing, Jack. Hey, you know, when I, um, when I said, you know, when I took your voice, you know, is you idolized. It wasn't that. Which became a me. Right. It's an extremely important moment in my life in 2018, seeing that scene. And then the ending.

So I guess I have nine. What else do you have, Sean? Well, I think you can make a case that this is a movie of moments and not scenes with the exception of the shallow scene. So all of the, the two big scenes that you talked about, the parking lot and the performance. of shallow. Everything that comes in between that stuff, particularly the cop bar, which is like, I think one of the great flirting scenes and the history of movies. Agree. Well, because like almost every single person that I've come in contact with in the music industry has told me that my nose is too big and that I won't make it.

Your nose is too big. Yeah. Your nose is beautiful. You're showing me your nose right now. You don't have to showtale. You're looking at it all night. Oh, come on. Oh, I'm going to be thinking about your nose for a very long time. You're full of shit. I'm not full of shit. I'm talking. You're true. Can I touch your nose? Oh, my gosh. Let me just touch it for a second. There's so much specificity and detail, and I wrote about this a little bit when the movie came out, but weirdness, the stuff that they're saying to each other is the stuff that people actually say to each other.

When you watch a movie and two people meet for the first time, they have these kind of like vague movie star conversations that are not like something you would say to one another. Right. But the touching of the nose and the weirdness that Bradley Cooper's doing, maybe because he's drunk, maybe just because he's an odd guy, maybe just because he's an odd guy. maybe just because they're so taken with each other. I also like that he couldn't hear a couple times. Definitely. Yeah, they see that. Natural.

Totally. Also, all that stuff, I love that. It's really great. I love when he basically, like, turns the camera around and puts the camera on Allie when he's touching her nose, and then you get the audio goes way up. It's this Scorsese trick that he does, where he turns the Allman Brothers way up on the soundtrack,

and all you can look at is her nose and hear the blaring song. That's like, it's a pretty slick, showy move for a guy who's never made a movie before. I really like stuff like that. He did crib from a lot of different directors in this movie, which I like. It's great. I mean, that's what you're supposed to steal in the beginning. That is the all-time. Although Scorsese must have gotten that from somebody.

I'm sure. But I mean, using a pop song to explain something about a person in your movie is like, that is a Scorsese trope. So I love that scene. And then that scene ends with Ali literally punching a cop in the face. Yeah. Which is pretty great. A little bit of an overlooked moment. And then the other thing, too, is I think they're really cute in the supermarket together.

Yeah. You know, when they're, fishing around for the frozen peas and he's looking for gauze and all that stuff, it's stupid to say it feels real because it's not real. It's obviously constructed and heightened. But they're really, their chemistry is incredible and they're so fun to watch in those early like coming together stages. And that's why when you get to the parking lot, you're like, wow, I'm so in on this. Yeah. I hope these people make it. So what's your second most rewatchable scene? I wanted to add one more. Please. So I also had bar scene with Jackson and Alley through the grocery store

written down, which is just to say that I completely. Yeah. And I want to talk more about the romance element of this movie down the way, because it, we don't really get that many love stories anymore, and it's really, really romantic, and you believe it, and it's very sad when it doesn't work out. So, all

of those scenes, I mean, like, the grocery store scene could be in a rom-com, for sure, and, you know, I have a weakness for that. So that, but then we got to talk about Andrew Dice Clay and all the drivers, and everyone, every one, Everything that's happening in that... I want to put the two scenes together of them,

like the morning when she comes home and is yelling at all of them. And then the morning after, shallow, when they're all there watching the replay and, like, explaining to each other what the YouTube count means. I mean, that stuff's great. What's that number down here?

That is how many people looked at it. Get the fuck out of it. How do they know how many people looked at? I think it's something I call it an algorithm. What's an algorithm? It's like a beat. A beat? Yeah.

Like in music? A beat? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. It's very, very good. I agree.

And is rewatchable in the sense of you just, they're very charming and you want to be in the room with them. Which, you know, I don't think I would have said about a team of drivers helmed by Andrew Dice Clay in pretty much any other circumstance. Yeah. Yeah, that stuff is great. That also feels like authentic for lack of a better word. It does feel like that should be her dad. Definitely. Yeah.

Because we'll get to some of the other people they tested for that role, but that was a controversial. I would go for second best scene, the parking lot scene. I think it's really good. I think he's really good in it. Agree.

The way he looks at her when she's sort of writing the song in real time and he's like, I think you might be a songwriter. You know, that's great stuff. Can I tell you secret? But don't worry, I won't tell anybody.

That would probably be my vote too. I'm going with Bar Scene because I agree. It's really great for it. The cop bar. Yeah, the cop bar. And you need the meat cute and the chemistry in order for the grocery store scene to work. The other one that I really like that is very small is the very opening moments of the movie,

which is camera on Cooper's back, handheld camera. And he's walking out on stage. And he pops open pills and he shoots pills. And then he's got a glass with gin and a lime. And he takes a sip. And he's so messy that you can see the gin coming off of his lips and his beard. and then he walks up and you can hear the guitar tuning up and then he goes right into Black Eyes

which is one of the very good Bradley Cooper songs in the soundtrack and it's like that's character making. There's no dialogue and you're just like this guy's a fucking mess. He's living really hard. He's able to command thousands of people at once like immediately you know everything you need to know about him.

That's hard to do. That's really good screenwriting and really good movie making. And then it cuts to the introduction of Lady Gaga which is like equally effective. She's in the stall and is just breaking up with someone. You only hear one side of the conversation. And then they have that beautiful wide shot of her standing directly in the middle of the bathroom just like, oh! And you instantly know, okay, this is not Lady Gaga.

It's a totally different character. You understand a lot about her. And you're hooked. Two people in crisis who need each other. Yeah. What was the name of the song he plays at the beginning? Black eyes. Where would you put it against fever dog by cold water?

It's in that exact same genre of like this kind of. sort of sounds like a song. Like a 1975 song. But it also kind of sort of sounds like five guys were like, we're making a movie and we need a rock and roll song. You know, like Greg Alman, 75 era. Exactly. The first song on stage, let's talk about that really quickly.

Because I really do think that's one of like the best scenes in a while. Shallow. Yeah. Just everything. Like her watching, him saying he's him coming, trying to get her to come out. She won't. But he handles it the right way. He goes out. He starts playing it. Her reaction.

The song's really good. The crowd's into it. And then when she finally decides to come out, all the little checkpoints she hits where she's like, should I do this? This is the biggest moment of life. I'm going to do this. And then she's out there and she's singing. And the way she sings it where she's not really Lady Gaga, but she's like this person

who's kind of finding herself on stage. Yes. I think that's really hard. I think he's amazing in it. And I really like the song. And it's like one of those things where if somebody's walking by a TV and that's on, they're probably going to stop. Totally.

Like, oh, this scene. All right. It's the definition of a rewatchable scene. I don't want to get too far ahead on nitpicks, but it is pretty hard to essentially orchestrate an entire masterful pop song. I have a theory. It's a leap of fate. I'm ready to talk about that when the time comes.

Okay. We can wait for nivable. Let's save it for nipicks. But wait. I want to talk one more thing about that scene. Okay. Because you talked about how good Bradley Cooper is in it. And I think, Sean, you mentioned in the parking lot scene and the way that Bradley Cooper is responding to Lady Gaga and how good that is.

Bradley Cooper is an all-time supportive boyfriend in this movie in a way that's really phenomenal. And it's at least a third of his performance. And most of his performances on stage besides like he's either shredding or he's either strumming guitar like he is in shallow and just looking on at her really appreciatively. And it's very generous. He's communicating love and belief and encouragement. And I didn't know that Bradley Cooper had that in him. I don't think most humans on earth have that level, but the movie doesn't work without it.

It's amazing. He's like Oprah up there. It's like incredible. It's like, to borrow professional wrestling term, the Rick Flair, Sean Michaels, the people can put somebody else over. He's selling. Yeah, he's putting her over in multiple scenes.

He's really good. Does a good job with it. But it propels that whole scene of just like, I believe in you and the audience believes in her, and it just kind of keeps it going. It's amazing. What's age the best, This movie's only been out for a year, so it's a tough one.

But just a couple things I threw down. It's now the go-to movie for any girl or woman who's self-conscious about their nose. I think that scene becomes a pivotal scene for them. Congratulations for that. I think you could expand that to men. Okay, sure. Men who are self-conscious about their noses? Yeah, sure.

Sure. Yeah, okay. Why not? I think if you can, you got to be able to sing like Lady Gaga. Yeah. There's a second stage here. No offense to all the big-nosed people in the world. I have a fairly big nose.

It's more just like the sale there is like Lady Gaga is transcendently talented. And Allie theoretically is transcendently talented. So in addition to having a big nose, she has a great voice and star quality. It's not just like big noses should rule the earth. Bradley Cooper is basically like, I love your nose. That's his pickup line. Bradley Cooper also has a big nose. It should be stated.

That's true. So do many people. Many people. The Sam Elliott meme? Mm-hmm. With the tear in that? I feel like that's going to go on for as long as we have memes, right? It's incredible.

It's one of your favorite jokes. It's my favorite. I love it so much. I feel like I've talked about it on the podcast of the man almost every week because I'm like, can we just circle back to the best supporting actor conversation? Just want to get in some last licks on Sam Elliott crying, pulling out of the driveway. Because it is that amazing representation of guys don't know how to talk to each other. Like, they just don't know how to talk to each other.

It's a cliche, but like brothers especially, like, not knowing how to say, I'm sorry, or I look up to you, or I love you. It's a pretty real evocation of that. And I like how he delivers it. He gets out of the car and doesn't say it right away and say, you know what I said before. And then, like, it takes like eight seconds.

But he just does a, he does a nice job. He's great. I put that on the best actor real. If I don't say this, I'll never forget myself. if you don't dig deep in your fucking soul you won't have legs if you don't tell the truth out there

you're fucked all you got is you that whole scene is awesome I just want to mail that to all our writers once a week oh I totally agree it's really inspirational it's you against the world every day

I will say dig deep in your fucking soul dude or you're not going to have legs but that's a moment when Lady Gaga peaks through a little because they're out there on the beautiful Chateaumarmamon balcony. That billboard is enlarged to about eight times the size it is in real life, just FYI. And he starts getting the speech and Lady Gaga just looks off into the distance like she's

receiving her Oscar right then. And I'm like, it's also just kind of a weird speech to be giving in the moment that she's about to like go out in her orange hair and like mullet. skirt and perform. Yeah, but that's why he does it though. Yeah. Because he sees that. Something's turning.

He sees the thing on the building. Yeah. He sees the alley. He knows what's going to happen. She's changed her hair. Yeah. And it's like the one moment where he's like, don't forget. You're going to, don't lose who you are.

Records out, man. Ship is sailed. Just my take. He might have given that speech a month before. Yeah. Well, I think this is like a good opportunity to talk about what is the intentionality of this movie with pop music. Yeah.

You know, we don't have to kill it, but I'm curious what you guys think. Can we wait until What's Age the worst? Because it's coming up, right? Yeah, yeah. The only thing I had for What's Age the best is the ending, which it didn't totally work for me the first time, but now I get it. And it's better. And I like when they, she's performing it, but then I like how it cuts to him creating the song. And then to just start staring thing.

I think it really works. It gets me every time. It's an all-time weepy moment. It's not me the first time. I was listening to the soundtrack this morning and I had chosen the dialogue-free version. but still on the dialogue-free version they cut to Bradley Cooper in that song and I was just like in my living room

had to grab the table like oh god same thing and this is totally a movie of reactions and the way that she reacts to him when he's sitting at the piano and she like kind of leans into him falls into him when he's finishing the chorus great stuff so anything else for what's aged the best my vote goes to the Sam Elliott meme

because I really thought that's gonna age nicely yeah we'll be using that around the trade deadline a lot I'm sure I think it has to be the soundtrack because I feel like the soundtrack's going to endure. I listen to it a lot the last couple of days. It's rare that when you have a character who have, you know, they have two different musical personas that, for the most part,

both of their songs are pretty good. Yeah. You know, maybe its time is pretty good. Alibis is pretty good. With the exception of the one controversial Allie kind of go for broke SNL pop song, I think everybody likes all the Gaga songs too. So, you know, that's my best. What do you have, Amanda?

I wanted to throw one more in, which is just, hey, I wanted to take another look at you was a punchline for six months. Hey. I just wanted to take another look at you. And in the movie, especially when it's used the second time, is very charming. And I think it has taught us all to not be skeptical and cold-hearted. And I think now it's not a punchline.

It's like, oh, that's a nice quote from a movie. Like, that's probably the most memorable line of the movie, which is... Because Zach Barron ever said that to you? No. No. Really? Sad. Yeah.

Your friend. It's also... You want me to train him in the art of seduction? Jesus. They're too busy, like, you know, driving out of driveways together. That's true. That line, though, is from the other movies, you know? I don't take another look at you is not an original composition, you know?

It's totally from the previous versions, but somehow, you know, shout out to the ringers, Dylan Berkey. like he probably made 500 memes related to that moment. We were talking about the Sam Elliott meme. We just had him in a closet for two months just cranking them out. What's age the worst? I just like the first hour of the movie a lot more than the second hour. Me too. And from a rewatchable standpoint, the second hour, there's a couple spots where it's a little bit of a grind.

It's like, all right, we get it. She's becoming a pop star. That would be one. Yeah, it hits a tough moment when it gets to the Dave Chappelle scene. That was my next one. I like having Dave Chappelle in this movie. Me too. I like his performance in the movie.

I don't understand why he's in the movie other than they needed like a wrinkle and they sketched out the script. And it's like, what if it went this way? And oh, well, what if we got Dave Chappelle on it? I just don't get it. I don't think he's very profound. I don't either. I mean, keep going. Then suddenly they're just like getting engaged at the dining room table.

But a symptom I liked having them there. day. I'm like, I get that you're swept up and that love is real, but like, why is this happening? They basically get bullied into getting married by Dave Chappelle in his life. It's weird. Which is not, you know, it's nice that they got married. They obviously love each other. That scene, I agree.

I think Chappelle's actually really good. He's really good, and it's the one time where the material doesn't stand up to the performance. Gaga is a pop star. Hold that one. The S&L scene, which was so cool to sit behind the scenes of S&L scene, but then the songs just not good.

Did he really have to kill himself? Yeah. It's a remake of a movie in which the guy kills himself. Couldn't he just hopped on a bike and gone 130 miles an hour and left a little mystery to it? He has to like do the garage?

I think to ruin the garage. One thing that is missing from popular movies in the last 20 or 25 years is like a true tragedy. Very few movies end with tragedy. Like this is a tragedy. It is a tragic Greek drama

in a lot of ways. And I like that, like they follow through you know they they they set you up earlier in the movie by talking about you know the belt and the ceiling fan when he was 13 and all that stuff so it's not like it comes out of nowhere we know that he's basically a depressed racked person who's bound by his own addiction okay it also like the themes of the movie don't totally land if he just kind of goes off into the dark and you don't really know what happens and maybe he just like found another pop star and had another life or whatever, I think you need the tragedy to underline the cost of fame and people who

can't fix each other and love is possible anyway and music can represent certain things. But I don't know, if you don't have the closure, then it's just like some things happen to some people and then they moved on. He has to die so she can live. That is literally the point of the movie. Couldn't he crashed his bike on the PCH? Well, I like the idea of him making the choice to say, I got to get out of her way because I'm bound to take her down given my proclivities.

So, Gaga is a pop star. I think this is age the worst. I just wish the pop song had been better. It's a bad song. It is. Why did you do that is just not good? Now, the question for me, and I know you guys have talked about this before, but was it an intentionally bad pop song or did they think it was going to be a good pop song?

And I've never heard the answer to that. Because there's a version where they do kind of a catchy but annoying pop song where you're like, oh, I fucking hate that song, but I get why it's a hit. That song's not going to be a hit. I think for me, it's not just the song. It's also the visual transformation and the fact that she suddenly has this intense choreography. And she goes from being someone who plays at a piano and is really like music forward to being yet another female pop star, which no offense to female pop stars, because I love them. but I think that they are trying to, I think it's intentional that they are making a change in the type of musician that she is.

And they are. Let's offend them a little bit. Yeah. Oh. The female pop stars. Oh, I like that. I mean, the whole point of this is like she was so much more talented

than just like dye your hair and go on S&L and do choreograph, whatever. Like, I don't know. So, I mean, I don't think that this is a good pop song either. And I just, I don't know whether they thought it was. And they were just trying to make her a different pop star. I would love to ask him like 10 years from now. Like, hey, dude, what happened with that pop song? I'd like to know right now.

I mean, I don't think it's necessarily like a bad choice. It's just, it's a choice. You know what his answer should be? We made it intentionally bad. Because you can't lose with that answer, right? Right. You can't be like, we thought that song should be a huge hit. Then you sound like a jackass.

That's true. I guess the thing is. But you can lose with that because why does she have to be an intentionally bad pop star for this whole narrative? Because this is the flaw of the movie is it's true. trying to make this bigger sweeping statement on that pop music's bad. Right. Which I don't know if you had to do it. I don't know if it's saying that.

I think the weird thing about this to me has always been that the movie takes so much from Lady Gaga's own story and it applies it to Allie's story. But the thing that it doesn't take is that Lady Gaga has always been kind of musicianship first. Even when she was making like disco records in the earliest stages, she's very involved in the songwriting. She's very involved in kind of the machinations of everything. at some point in this movie, they make it seem like

when we hear, why did you do that, that she'd kind of lost agency. That, you know, what's his name, Gaz? What is her... Res?

Res. Her manager. Yeah. Had basically convinced her to sell out, but we never actually see it. The only time we see her in the studio is when she's doing, look what I found.

Yeah. Which is a cool song. Yeah. Which feels like kind of a contemporary pop song that like, maybe not Adele, what someone in that mold would make. And it's believable

that you could be popular and have a song like that song. But they never show us like, here's how you desecrated your artistry. She just kind of cuts to this bad song. So it's not really that believable, even. There's a part where they're in the rehearsal studio, and he's in the corner, like, being like,

I know you want to keep. She's like, I just want to stay myself. And he's like, I know, but the music, it'll be, the dancing will be authentic, but it'll still be you. Right. So it's kind of bullying. And then when she tries to ditch the dancers at one point.

Right. She gets scolded for that. Yeah, she gets scolded. And then I didn't notice. until last night, but in her Grammy speech, she says, thank you, Rez, for getting me out from behind the piano and putting me up front. So they, they blame him. They blame him for a lot of things in this movie.

He's not a very convincing fellow. All you got is you and what you have to say to people. They're listening right now. They're not going to be listening forever. Trust me. I'm trying to think of who you're, I feel like you're doing like Jake the Snake Roberts. With Buffalo Bill? Casting what if.

So we all agree the pop angle probably age the worst than this movie or would you go Dave Chappelle? They're both tough. I just, I don't think I know the answer to the pop angle. Yeah.

You know, it's just not clear what they were going for. If they were trying to say that the music that Jackson Maine makes is the most authentic music and her singing a song that he wrote at the end of the movie probably signifies

that he believes that that is the authentic true version of music. Sure, that's a Whitney Houston song, which again, I love Whitney Houston. But yeah. Sure. But written at a piano by a man. It's true.

I just don't think that I agree with you. There's not a ton of clarity in terms of their music orthodoxy. They don't seem to totally know what they're doing. I think they think they know, but they didn't really think it through. Want some casting what ifs? Yeah, let's do it. Cooper had to fight hard to convince Warner Brothers to cast Lady Gaga, even show them an iPhone recording of himself and Lady Gaga singing a duet of Creedence Clearwater Revival.

is Midnight Special. Yes. This was a... Recorded in Lady Gaga's home. This is one of my favorite songs to sing in my car alone. It's really funny. I love Midnight Special. Remake talks began in 2011.

Beyonce starring Clint Eastwood directing. She became pregnant. What baby was that, Amanda? That would be Blue Ivy. I believe so. There you go. Film was in developmental health for several years. Who knows of this truth?

The Internet. Various actors approached a co-star, including Christian Bale, Leodacaprio, Will Smith, and Tom Cruise. Tom Cruz. I can't think of a bigger travesty than Tom Cruise in the Jackson Main role. Right. I mean, he couldn't be Jackson Main, but Tom Cruise, as a washed-up pop star, who is working out of these issues, if you figure out the music aspect of it, yes. I mean, he was already in a music movie.

My answer isn't that. He was already in Rock of Ages. You've already seen him sing. Here's that I'm from Tom Cruise. Go in a bathroom, another dude, and beat up a third guy and then have a big bathroom fight with him. and then go have a big bathroom fight with him. That's your advice for Tom Cruise. That's a reference to the film Mission Impossible Fallout, which came out in August and which is a great movie.

By the way, fucking awesome and might have to be on the rewatchables this year. Great. I love it. Mission Impossible Fallout is incredible. It's a great movie. Can we just get in writing you sending a letter to Tom Cruise that says, Dear Sir, go have a big bathroom fight. More bathroom fights, less stars born scripts. Okay.

2015, it was Cooper and Beyonce for a split second there. Yeah. I was trying to imagine what is a Clint directed Cooper and Beyonce stars born. What is Beyonce in this role? She's too old. She's like 40 at this point. I don't want to tempt the fate here. This is dangerous territory.

35. Guys, Beyonce can't act. Like, Beyonce can't maybe under Bradley Cooper's direction. I said it. It's not, Beyonce is a world historical pop star. When you at Sean, please do not put me in the tweet as well. Thank you. She just can't act.

I've seen Dream Girls. I've seen Carmen a hip hopper. I've seen her act. I've seen Austin Powers 3. She can't act. She's pretty bad. Lady Gaga, I don't know if we knew Lady Gaga could do this. It's hard to say.

But there would have been just something naturally stilted if it were Beyonce. Ray Leota almost joined the film in the role of Jackson's manager, but then they decided not to have the part. You want to do a... So what's the commercial? Oh, the nicotine commercial. Andrew Dice Clay selected over Robert De Niro, John Torturo, and John Travolta. It's another wrong way road. De Niro, interesting.

It's variations on a move, like we've seen that before from all those guys. Deanne Wait, hold on. Let's just go back for one quick second. Is the idea here that they turn down Robert De Niro, John Travolta, and John Tartreau for Andrew Dice Clay? Yes. That didn't happen. There is no way that happened. No one called Bob De Niro, certainly not Bradley Cooper, with whom he has worked now twice, I think, and said, Bob, listen, love you, Bubby.

But it's not going to be you. It's going to be Dice Man. That didn't happen. There's no way that happened. I don't know if it happened that way, but that's how it happened. It happened where they had a bunch of people read, Dice Clay wins. Robert DeNiro doesn't read. Well, maybe that's why he didn't get it.

He's like, I don't want to read. There's no way. I'm just telling you what's on the Internet. Okay. Dan Waiters Award. Do you know what the Dean Waders Award is right? I feel like this is the first time that I've ever understood or I've ever been like, I know who it is in this movie. Biggest heat check.

Small amount of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have an answer. I have an answer. The nominees are Sam Elliott, Andrew Dice Clay. Yeah. And Jackson's Dog. Wow.

That is a twist thing. you threw in at the end. Okay. My answer is Andrew Dice Clay. Okay. Are we sure we don't want to put Alec Baldwin on the board? No. For his introduction of Allie? No. Nice. What about Halsey? Halsey? No. No.

It's got to be Dice. Yeah. I don't think Sam Elliott is not in a Deion Waiter's thing here. I think he's in it a little too much. I think Dice is the right answer. That Dice is pretty good in this movie. Halfass Internet Research. I have some locations for you for some of the shooting. Great. Yeah. Opening scenes shot at Coachella.

Yes. The blue blue where the drag bar, where he meets Lady Gaga, you know where that is? No. Virgil. That is the Virgil. Oh. Yeah. Oh, shit.

Yeah. Okay, cool. I've been there. The cop bar. You know where that was? No. The short stop. It is a short stop.

Is it? Yeah. I did know that. Yeah. It looks just like the shortstop. Does it? Yeah, because when you walk in, it's got that long bar down the end and then you can make a right and you go into the big room.

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. How did we not go there? Shortstop. I was around the corner from my house. That should be like ring or drinks on a Friday night, right? It's very loud. So then you got to go to Littlejoy.

So you don't during the winter. I tell you what, not a lot of cops in the shortstop. Yeah. No. Supermarket scene, Super A food, supermarket, and Glastell Park. I don't know where Glassville Park is. Where is that? Northeast L.A.

Okay. Allie's big debut song was shot at... The Greek. The Greek. Had no idea. Jackson Mane's home. See, you're in the Stars Born Hive. The real estate.

I saved this. This is the intersection of all your interests. Can we put the link in the, the Zillow link in the description for everyone? Sure. There's a Zillow link to this home? Oh, yeah. It was in our slack. What's the price?

Oh, hold on. We have it a star is born. No, it's in the Montanito neighborhood of Calabasas. Okay. I'm not familiar with that. That sounds lovely. It's beautiful. Kind of in the mountains.

It's sold after filming. Okay. In 2017, for, oh, for two million. Tough. tough garage situation every time you're up in the garage you're just scared I was going to say do you think that

it's become more valuable since the filming of the movie but maybe they have to burn that garage to the ground, I don't know. He's changed the door and make it open left to right. That's good. Bradley Cooper had to undergo a full body spray tan every day

and endure menthol around his eyes to look bloodshot and high. He looks like he's applied Auburn colored shoe polish to his face every day. It was a weird spray tan. His face color is extraordinary to me.

It is a high level of red. Lady Gaga remained bare face with only a lip balm and moisturizer and majority of the filming. I got to say, underrated. Looks great. Can I just say,

may I just be in a 50-foot screen? May the woman on the podcast speak? And may I say that I think Lady Gaga looks beautiful throughout this film? Yeah. Are you guys familiar with the concept

of why are you making that face? I'm not making any face. I know what she's going to say. Are you familiar? familiar with the concept of no makeup makeup. Yep. Yes. Okay. A little bit of a base. That's what's happening here. And it's beautifully done. And it does look like her. And it's very natural. But I need everyone listening at home. And you two both to understand that

moisturizer and lip balm, like no, no, fam. Amanda, not under those lights. This is a very valuable property for the ringer. And if you get a suit by Lady Gaga for claiming no makeup makeup, when you cannot in fact prove it. That's true. I can't prove it. My wife is also on this corner. Okay. She's like, there's no way

there's no makeup. Yeah, I mean, there's just basic makeup that you have one. When you're being filmed and you're under lights and all this sort of thing just for like an even skin tone. I'm not even claiming

that I'm proud of her for no makeup. I honestly don't care, but. No, it's impressive. It's impressive? It's impressive to go on a movie screen without makeup. It's a 50-foot screen. Like every lunish you have on your face

and he zip. Okay. It's impressive. armor. I agree. Yeah. Okay. Shout out to her. And no makeup makeup.

Okay. We should get sponsored by some sort of no makeup makeup company. Glossier. That you guys want to send me free stuff. Feel free. shameless. It's journalism in 2019, folks. I just talked to my daughter about this.

Oh, yeah. No makeup, whenever you can do it. It's hardest thing to pull off. I agree. If you can look good with no makeup, you're accomplishing something in life. Both Amanda and my wife are firmly in the kind of no makeup camp. Yeah. So impressive.

Thank you. Jason Isbell. wrote maybe it's time, which you guys knew. He's awesome. Did you know that Cooper spent a year learning how to lower his voice by a full octave? He was an octave too high for what he wanted to do? How did he learn?

He had a vocal coach and he just constantly learned. And he built up his throat. So it's just like muscle work to develop the ability to be able to do it. And that's why we did the Vegas show. He wasn't doing the work anymore. Yeah.

So I listened to a very good interview with Bradley Cooper in which he talked about his vocal exercises, before he would start on this film. And I think he learned them on The Elephant Man. But before he goes on stage or on the set, he says 100 times 11 elegant elephants. And that's how he learns how to, you know, energize his voice. Bradley Cooper, weirdo?

Yes. Okay. Sure. But that's what's so beautiful about this is that he channeled, first of all, he gave in to the weirdness. This is a weird movie. Bill was very proud of himself for asking that question. I was just like, weirdo.

Like underrated just weirdo He's a movie weird Actors are strange people by nature Like going to all the inside the actor studios And he was a student at the actor's studio He wasn't like some drifter who wandered into these Really had his great question each time though He did have a good question

Very deep methodical questions Practice it how he's gonna stand He's a performer Yeah Bradley Cooper ad lib that you're ugly scene Hey do you got those pills in your pocket? You're just fucking ugly that's all I'm what?

You're just fucking ugly Get the fuck out Get up Liddy Gaga didn't know that was coming And her reaction was genuine Because she was upset That's a vicious moment Yeah

Although she started it Let me just go on the record here Nobody went She went the dad card Dad card very dangerous For a fucked up daddy's boy Like Jackson name I think the person who was drunk in the morning

Probably started it She was drunk envious guy didn't help Nobody won No one won Winners in that scene I thought she pulled out the blade too soon. That was my thought. When I was re-watching it, I was like, settle down Alley. Yeah. It was a heat check. That's like a deep misreading of the scene. And I don't know.

Settle down. Marriages, but okay. Willie Nelson, Son Lucas wrote several of the songs. You knew that. Yep. Bradley dog's actual dog Charlie played the dog. Yeah, so I have a question about this because I knew that. Great job. And then I didn't realize Charlie is first given to Bradley in the film as a puppy. So did they get Charlie for the movie? And they just. kept him? Or is it a puppy double? And is there going to be like a Lena Dunham situation with Charlie where Charlie has no parents right now? No. No. No, I believe that Charlie is his dog now, but it's definitely, Charlie's much smaller when he first shows up in the movie. Did you use the phrase puppy double?

puppy double? Puppy double. I like that. Bradley Cooper said Lady Gaga was the one who convinced him they should sing live. She said she hated watching movies where the actors were not lip-sinking corrected through the songs, and that's what inspired Cooper to get more. Yeah, you hear that, Romney Malick? Wow. Yeah. That's why Romney Malick should win Best Actor right there. This is a little pointy-headed, but one thing that I think deserves a lot of credit in this

movie is the sound editing and the sound mixing, which are really hard things to do and a real skill. There's a reason that give those awards out separately at the Oscars. If you watch the opening scene where he's performing Black Eyes, you can tell that no one is cheering. People are, like, really confused why Bradley Cooper is playing a song they've never heard before. If you look out into the audience, but the audience noise is perfect.

You completely buy it if you're not paying super close attention to that. And that's one of those things where mixing that audience sound in with the band's performance. And then it happens all throughout the movie where you have different moments where it just sounds so perfect. It's part of the reason why, and the movie is also really loud. The volume of the movie is a part of the reason

why people should see it in theaters. Yeah, I agree. Gaga had to perform the last song shortly after finding out of her best friend had passed away. Oh, yeah. brought that into that. It was like the same day. Majority of the drag queen scenes unscripted and improvised.

Bradley Cooper did a little Adam McKay. Yeah. They're pretty funny. Let's go. Let's try one more take. Jackson Man's Death foreshadowed many times in the movie, but one time you might not have noticed the beginning, him and the driver stopped at a red light. There's a billboard with four nooses displayed next to Jackson's head. The nooses foreshadow. Sheesh. Yeah, there you go. Apex Mountain.

Wait, can we just do one more little internet research thing? Yeah. This movie is just strictly about colors, right? So when we first see Jackson Main, when he's in the car, it's all blue at night. When he goes into the blue bar. Lady Gaga walks in the yellow.

She walks out red, all red. Lady Gaga is red. Jackson Main is blue. End of the movie, when Jackson Main is hanging from the garage, all you can see is the police car lights flashing blue, red, red into each other. That's kind of the end of the movie. It's good filmmaking stuff.

Bradley Cooper, not good enough to get best director nomination. Those are choices. They're a little obvious, but they're also a little subtle. I like stuff like that. This is really nerdy and also a dumb question. Pink is red and blue. Yeah, Levy and Rose, the sign over the thing. Exactly.

Apex Mountain. Bradley Cooper? Gotta be. The apex of his career. I would say a thousand percent yes. It has to be. Lady Gaga, I don't know enough about her career to answer that. I mean, she was pretty freaking successful already.

But she's also, we're counting music as well. Yeah, I think so. You know. She had to have had an apex mountain before this. Hmm. I don't know. I mean, she has obviously been a majorly, majorly, majorly successful pop star. And that is a unique kind of fame.

I would say the more I think about this movie, and I give a lot of the credit for the movie to Bradley Cooper, but I give a lot of the credit to the movie's success to Lady Gaga because she's an internationally famous person who kills it in the movie and people are going out for that. I don't think they're going out for Bradley Cooper. I think they're going out for her. That's a good point.

So if she's able to do that, this might be the peak. This movie also isn't just popular in America. It's popular around the world. It's almost $500 million at this point. But immobilized her fan base. Totally. Yeah.

Which is... So I would say yes, a tentative yes. And if she wins, 1,000 percent yes. it's a personal Apex Mountain for me. I think that for people who really like... There's no such thing as personal Apex Mountain.

You can't... Where you're confusing. When is she had the most... No, I'm not. I don't know. I've asked him like 11 times during the show, what is Apex Mountain?

I know. It's not personal? Most success, career leverage, everything. Oh, okay. So it's objective. It's not just like, is this the...

Um, hmm. I don't know. It's got to be earlier than this. If she wins best actress, I think becomes Apex Mountain. Mountain. Her getting nominated for this, no.

The, uh, nobody else qualifies for this. The Joe Panolione Award, aka the Joey Pantz Award for the best performance by that guy or that girl. I'm going with Gaga's gay friend who comes to the concert with her. I don't know that guy's name is, but he's good at it. Now I know him as Gaga's friend in the movie. From Hamilton. He is from Hamilton. He is a Hamilton guy, right?

Yeah, his name's Anthony Ramos. Anthony Ramos. Well, I didn't know that. I believe he was, uh, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's. Is he, whose son does he play in the film? Do you play Hamilton's son? Is that plausible? Oh, in Hamilton?

I thought you meant in the movie. And I was like, I don't know if we get his parentage. I can't remember. I don't, I don't know. Would this movie have been better with Danny Traos, Steve Bouchem, or Michael K. Williams? Wait, you didn't do Ron Rifkin for the Joe Pantiliano. Which one is he? Ron Rifkin is the old guy that Bradley Cooper talks to when he goes into rehab.

Oh, yeah. Oh, that guy. Oh, that's the winner. And one of the things that I like about this movie is that both Ron Rifkin and another that guy, Greg Grunberg, who plays his driver, were Bradley Cooper's co-stars on Alias. Oh, right. Which was his big break in network television. And that's him bringing his family back into the mix. All right.

We'll make them co-winners. Michael K. Williams definitely could have been at Chappelle's house. I would have enjoyed that. His brother-in-law. Yeah, that would have been good. He's a little off the rails. The Saul Rubenek, they knew, award for the best overacting. in the movie,

it's tough. I didn't really feel like there was like signature overacting. I thought Res the manager was pretty bad. He's a weak link for me. I agree. So I would give him this just because I think he deserves

some sort of acclaim, reverse acclaim. So one of the weird things about Res is in the movie, his name is Rez Gavron. And in real life, his name is Rafi Gavron. So why?

Why is his last name Gavron in the movie? Weird. I wonder if he's like... Has anyone asked anybody about that? This is a part, it's like a Billy Zane part. Totally. The first time you lay eyes on him, you're like,

that person's no good. And he's kind of owning it the whole time. That's true. I have to say, if it had been Billy Zane, it would be really over the top. There's an insidious nature to this guy. He's just kind of lurking and things are going very bad. Do you buy it when he finally confronts Cooper at the end of the movie?

And he's like, you're ruining her career. You're going to take her down with you. Because that's the one scene. that is like mustache twirling villainy. It feels a little, it felt a little inauthentic to me. I mean, it leads to him literally killing himself.

I think with the right actor, I would have bought it. I didn't think he was the right actor for that scene. I mean, I don't know whether that would happen in real life, though everything that I know about the music industry leads me to believe that they would say that, but it's certainly those conversations are happening

without the Bradley Cooper character in the room. Can you guys name two? maybe even three music managers in the world right now. Res? Res, yeah. Is he a manager or producer? I believe he's a manager is the impression I got. Because when she comes off the stage and he confronts her for the first time and he's like, hey, and she's like, I know who you are.

And she clearly has a sense of who Res is. Right. But I thought that that was in the Max Martin vein in the kind of big name. Producer. Like career maker name. We're going to pick some nets. Okay. Opening scene, I just don't understand the geography.

So he's playing in Coachella, but I don't know if that's supposed to be Coachella or some LA place. Like in real life, he starts in Coachella and ends up in East Hollywood, which is two plus hours. He's in the limo. Not at night. You're never driven with me. Hour 40. In the movie, I think he's supposed to be in L.A. I still don't understand how he ends up driving around and he ends up where he does.

I'm just confused by all of it. I wish he had almost been playing at like Dodger Stadium. It would have been made more sense. Well, I think what we're meant to believe is that he is somewhere outside of Palm Springs looking for a place to get a drink because Greg Grunberg says we're an hour 40 away. So he's not in L.A. proper, I guess. But then he ends up back in L.A., and I think that's when he goes to the bar in East Hollywood. Well, they say they were east of the city, which I thought meant Los Angeles.

And I assumed hour and 40 was an hour and 40 from the beautiful canyon in Calabapt. I see. Okay. That I would love to, yeah. Oh, okay. That seems too far, though. I don't know. I have a lot of geography questions. Okay.

Are we sure Jackson Maine is still selling out concerts like this? This is a great topic of conversation. I'm so interested in who Jackson Maine is supposed to be. What artist? Because we know that he spent some time with Eddie Vedder and asked him a lot of questions. He freaking stole Eddie Vedder's whole act. I wouldn't go that far. I mean, his whole thing.

A lot of his look. A lot of his look. Look, beard, and voice. Other than that, he didn't take any... But his music is much more country. You know, there's a much more of a twang to what he's doing than what Eddie does. Well, he kind of played the Neil Young card a little bit in some of the... Little Neil Young, little Willie Nelson, but like the band that I could...

And we've talked about this before. I can only think of that has anything close to a trajectory like this is Kings of Leon. That's the only band that has that sound but is still kind of authentically rock and roll. I was going to say it was like Mumford but no sons. But they don't rock those guys. They're foky and they're dweeps. There's just nobody who does this, basically. Yeah, I think that's it, which is, I guess that's okay, but...

Do you think there will be now? You think Jackson Main will inspire a bunch of maniacs? Oh, my God. Right on the spot. I mean, I think that there are people trying to do this. I agree that Kings of Leon is the direct comparison. You could say that, like, Imagine Dragons is a really bad version of this, and all of those people who are trying to do a bit of folk and a little bit of rock and a little, and be

non-threatening. It's really, it's 70s gimmick basically brought into 2019. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would work. I think the right person did it and had songs like this and could play the Neil Young type hard rock songs in concert, but then also do the sentimental songs. I think that person has a career.

The other thing is that what? He has five songs total in the, and that's including the soundtrack. So it's easy to be great and sustained everyone's attention for five songs. At like hour three of him rocking out in the way that he does while on, you know, drunk on gin. I don't know. There are country rock stars who do stuff like that. Like Eric Church is a huge star who makes rocking songs. It has a huge following.

I think he's kind of unknown to people who don't necessarily traffic and, you know, even popular country music. But, you know, there are people who make songs like this. They're named Lucas Nelson and Jason Isbell. They wrote these songs. They're not that far from the songs that they write. So you don't think they're selling out India. They're not. You know,

they're good musicians. Lucas Nelson's Willie Nelson's son. You know, it's not like... I'll tell you one thing, though. You don't tell truth out there. You're fucked. I haven't done one Jackson main impression.

I'm really proud of myself. So you mentioned this earlier. Every minute's will cover it now. I don't even know. There's a lot to talk about here. What are the ads they'd sing shallow that perfectly with no rehearsal? She's saying two different pieces of a song. I'm ready.

I'm ready. I'm ready. He's arranged this perfectly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She instantly knows he's like a drunk fucking loser who in this parking lot remembers perfectly every word of these two different things she's saying. Okay. The guy can't even fucking buy potato chips. Okay.

All right. I just have some issues with it. I'm ready. Okay. So the crucial thing here is the night sky, okay? because in the grocery store, in the parking lot, it's dark. It's definitely nighttime. And when he drops her off, it is daylight.

It's not even like the sun is rising. It's like full on 7.30, like time to get your kids to school daylight. So there are a few hours unaccounted for. And I think that in those few hours, what, there are? Keep going. I'm ready for the theory. Sorry, that's how the world, it's how the earth turns. I merely arched my eyebrow.

And in those few hours, I think that they actually finish writing the song together. That's what you hope happened. Well, that and they also have sex. I don't think they had sex in that. Of course they do. There are hours unaccounted for. What do you think is happening? I think the sex scene that we see is the first time they've had sex.

That's what I thought. I think there's a lot of ceremony around that first sex scene that indicates that that's the first time. Okay. No. They definitely yada yada. This makes more sense than the alternative, which is just. just instinctively, she understood that these two separate things she had done have been arranged perfectly. Does they finish it?

They don't even, the chorus is not in the parking lot. I'm okay with it because there's leaps of faith in every movie. You know, Creed 2, he gets punched 190 times in the first two rounds. Yes, that's true. It's just, it's a movie. But it would just be impressive if somebody actually did this in real life. It undermines a little bit of the alchemical authenticity that comes in every. scene up until that moment. Everything that happens

up until that moment, one of the things that I like about it, I already talked about this is I'm like, gosh, I feel like I'm right next to them. I feel like I'm watching them do this for real. So the idea of them just like vanishing for four hours and breaking out the acoustic and then arranging a pop song together, Walt's drunk? Well, no, he does the arrangement. He says so. But I think

that they at least finish writing the song. When Amanda's world, the limo drivers helping them out with the arrangement and just three hours. The limo driver anything's possible. This is the magic bullet theory of a star is born. The limo Piper is sitting in the corner of the parking lot eating Cheetos. So he's there.

He's there. He's a witness. Let's find him at ass. Hey, what if you merge those two songs together? Do you think he's hitting the keyboards too, just to fill in? Amazing. Any other...

Any other nipicks? Um, I don't, I don't think, you know, I think that they work very, very hard in this movie to convince you that Sam Elliott could be Bradley Cooper's brother.

There is an unreasonable amount of exposition in the movie telling Bradley Cooper's family's backstory and then there's a lot of conversations between them which I love I love everything they're doing together in this movie but where they're like we looked like a father's son act you know like that was almost like one step too far

so I just he really wanted Sam Elliott in this movie and he really wanted it because he literally stole his voice so they go to great lengths is all I'm saying okay best quote ironically if I was no good then why'd you steal my fucking voice You have nothing to fucking say.

Brutal. Incredible. Brutal. And then the other quote said it. Is there any other quote that jumps out to you? No, I mean, the only other one besides just wanted to take another look at you. Oh, that's a good one. Which is, you know, from the franchise, but I think they use it in a nice way.

I mean. I also, I love your fucking nose. It's awesome. That thing's great. I love your nose. It's real big up there. I wish it was bigger up there. The whole thing should just be your fucking nose.

Fuck all those people Ever said anything Just put a billboard of your fucking nose up there It's so ridiculous I think like Does shallow count as quotes? I think all you got to do Is trust me is

Which is what he says to her Right before he pulls her on stage That's a very memorable moment Could this be remade as a 10 episode Netflix show? I say no No That'd be weird

It would just be a different experience Yeah Probably unanswerable questions Why didn't Brad the Cooper ever admit that he's doing an Eddie Vedder impersonation. He lists all these other people. Meanwhile, we know he spent time with Eddie Vedder and he looks like Eddie Vedder and he's doing an Editherto impersonation.

I don't know. I honestly don't know. This is actually, we talked about who would this musician be in real life? It's probably Eddie Vedder if Eddie Vedder leaves Pearl Jam in like 2003. Yes. And then has a solo career and becomes Jackson Main. How big of a deal would it have been in real life if Jackson Main pissed all over himself on stage at the Grammys. Would you call everyone to our desks and would be recorded an instant podcast?

What happens at the ringer if that happens? Emergency Piss podcast? Jackson Main has wet himself. Yeah, so it's tough, right? I mean, it would be a huge deal. Literally, the internet would melt. Would that be the biggest Twitter moment ever? Yes.

So then it, you know, then day two is like, should we be making fun of someone who has a substance abuse problem? And then day, I mean, which like, It's not even day two. Like, we would have to, before we did the podcast, I would have to be like, Bill, we need to remember when we're talking about people who's had issues. Because of substance.

It's great. Right. So, and then it would, there would be a backlash to that of, like, he should take responsibility for his actions. And then day four would be like, you know, all the lady gaga's in the shadow of this great person and this represents how, like, the patriarchy overseas. The backlash to the backlash or whatever. Yeah.

And then day five. The pro piss people come forward and they say, you should be able to piss. your pants in public. Your kink shaming. And day six is like he's in the treatment facility and there are all the pictures and it's like, you know, Jennifer Garner handing the bottle, the fast food. And it would just go on and on. It wouldn't be just be like a moment.

It would be a month-long saga. Nice call back to Bradley Cooper's co-star Jennifer Garner on alias. Full circle. First of all, that all sounds incredible. We've got a lot of traffic out of all of that. I've been amazing. I've been doing this job for too long because that all just like flew off the Yeah, maybe at the Grammys, that could happen.

Yeah. It's a little, I don't know if they needed it, but I'm glad it happened. It's okay. As I said, it's a little hard to watch. I mentioned to Amanda, when this movie came out, and I was like, the weirdest thing to me is that they didn't use, like, magazine covers and try to tap into the TMZ type of stuff in the world, especially when he goes to rehab. And you had a good point, which was they want this movie to kind of be timeless and

not belong to in air. There's a version of that where they really, really go all into the celebrity gossip world and blind items, all that stuff, and they just veered away from it. The only thing they really did was YouTube, but YouTube's around forever, so that's easy. Yeah, I mean, it's Halsey, S&L, and Alec Balls when are kind of the markers of modern culture. It's like S&L is 40 years old. Who won the movie? I mean, no one at the Oscars, which is sad.

Yeah. Tough beat. I know. I've been saying Cooper. forever. It's Cooper. I mean, who now has a more anticipated follow-up on his next movie than Bradley Cooper? I also vote for Cooper because I think as actors, I think it's equal, but then the fact that he also directed it and conceived it and fought for Lady Gaga and all that stuff, this is a pretty easy one for me. Yeah. Yeah. All due respect to The Lady, who I thought was really good.

The Lady. The Lady. The Lady. That's what I call her now. Incredible Cooper win. How many times have we done who won the movies? How many episodes? We've done it for everyone, right? 60, 70 episodes. This to me is one of the clearest ones. Because the star director combo is, no doubt. I'm always really impressed when anybody can do that.

It's hard. And part of the victory is that it's a big gamble. And it paid off, which we did not think was going to happen. How are you directing the movie, but then you're also in character, remember your lines, the performance, how to playoff? There's just so much going on. I mean, there's a reason it goes so badly. almost every time.

Chris Rock tried to do it once, remember? He tried to remake the Warren Beatty movie. Yeah. And he started and directed in it. Shockingly, it was not here. It's very hard. I mean, we talked about this earlier this week on our show, but, you know, Kevin Costner did this for Dances with Wolves.

Yeah. You know, he literally did all the stuff that we're talking about. I don't know if you wrote that movie, but he oversaw the production of that movie fully and was awarded for it, even though I haven't met a person under 30 who's ever seen dances with wolves, which is another. It's like three and a half hours. It is quite long.

He did an editor. Craig, have you seen dances with wolves? No, no, firm no from Craig. Craig's like, who's Kevin Costner? It's tough. What do you want to see Bradley Cooper do next? Because he's got a blank check now. He's just not that into you, too?

Hangover 4. Limitless 2, the sequel, prequel? Yep, that's great. I think it'll be interesting if he does anything. You think he's just going to vanish from society? No, he could do the move where it's like, I don't know how to top this, so I'm not going to do anything for two years.

because I'm paralyzed by all my choices. Wow. Could be in play. And also paralyzed by the fact that I wasn't rewarded the way that I thought I would be rewarded, which... Yeah, it's hard to know what level of expectation he's had. I think when he lost at the Globes, there was a sense that it was over. Yeah. That it was...

This was not to be. How does the Globes matter in any way, shape, or form? It is the most Pia Zadora want to go to Globes. I know. It's just jet-streamed Green Book into the conversation in a serious way. Just because they decide to broadcast. I mean, can we just like take the... It's on TV.

Can we take the broadcast license away from them? That's it. It says Avengers Endgame post-production, Rocket the Voice. He's going to be a raccoon. Atlantic Wall, pre-production? What's that? I don't know what Atlantic Wall is. He's working on a movie of...

An American soldier is trapped behind enemy lines on the eve of D-Day, directed by Gavin O'Connor. I love Gavin O'Connor. I love Gavin O'Connor. I love Gavin O'Connor. Yeah. So he's got that and then there's... So he's just American side.

This one makes me nervous. Leonard Bernstein. The untitled Leonard Bernstein biopic. So that is the heat check of all heat checks. Yeah. And I'm here for it. I'm ready. Let's go.

Just do it. Just do it. It's great. I can't believe he hasn't made a boxing movie yet. That's the other ego play. It's like I'm making the Ray Boom Boom Mancini's story, even nine inches taller than him. He should definitely not do that.

He's also going to be in his mid-four. That's dangerous. Yeah. I read a quote from him for this podcast, and he was talking about, there are all these roles or these types of roles that I've always wanted to play. And I wanted to play a soldier. And I did that. And I've always wanted to play a musician. And now I've done that.

He was like, I want to play a conductor and some other stuff. And I was like, I don't believe you that that was on the list. No way. And now you're just like promo. I mean, amazing girls. Yeah. Now that he gets to play a genius. He's really mad about a beautiful mind.

Has you done the thing where he's gained 60 pounds for a roll? No. And I can say no disrespect to him, I sense a modicum of vanity given the way he photographs himself in this movie. Photographed it well, for the record. That I'm not sure that he's willing to do that. Is this your favorite movie since when? Maybe since Get Out. Okay.

I mean, it's not the best movie. But it is the Hollywood movie that I have liked the most since Get Out. What about you? It's certainly my most rewashed. watchable movie just to stay on brand. And probably my favorite, yes, not the best. Since. Oh, gosh.

Lady Bird, maybe. Is that a Hollywood movie? Well, I was just talking about my favorites and things that I like. You know what? I like Shirewoman. You know that every single time it's on HBO, I think, about texting you. And then maybe I will now. Just from now on, I'll text you.

Your third-ranked movie in 2018. It's very, it's very charming. This is my favorite movie since Phantom Thread. Oh, good. I really like Phantom Thread. It's amazing. Yeah, it's very good. And it's on cable now.

It's just good to dive in. And I love how it comes around at the end. And I think he's amazing. And he's probably never going to act again. And we're going to miss Daniel DeLois. Future rewatchable. Yeah, that's a good one. Sean Fennacy, Manny Dobbins.

We can hear on the big picture. When is the actual Oscars? February 24th. We will be live that night. It's going to be some night. Really is. What do you think is going to happen? It will be a night.

I think Cooper's going to win. I really do. I really think he's going to win. From your lips to God's ears, Bill. I really think he's going to do. We'd have a lot of fun with that. We would. I could also see bail winning. I don't think Romney Malick's going to win.

And I think the stuff with Brian Singer, I think that hurts it too. Voting hasn't even started yet. I think the voting, if we published this on what day, on the 12th, I think that is the day that the voting opens. So listen to this podcast, voters out there, vote Cooper. I'm less attached to Gaga winning because I kind of have to see the wife first. I can assure you that you do not need to see the way. Counterpoint? You don't.

And I didn't think the lady from the favorite. I didn't feel like that was the best actress performance. I think she was good. I think she's supporting. But not best. So you could talk to me in a Gaga for that. Who else was nominated? Yolica Aparicio from Roma.

Oh. Your favorite movie of 2018? I'm going to make myself some broccoli and try to sit through that before the Oscars. You know what? Go to a theater. It's still at the vista. I'm going to make broccoli. You know what?

I've been advising people to do. Flats, sparking water and drink it. My advice has been, go home. It's like Saturday at 5 p.m. The sun is setting. Just take an edible. Take an edible. Sit there.

Vibe out. Take an edible. I like this. Let the images wash over you. Let's great idea. Maybe I'll do that. Yeah. See how you feel.

Next week on the rewatchables is what? Reality bites. Reality bites. We already banked this one. 25th anniversary of reality bites coming up next week if you want to watch that until then. Oh, I'm wrong. it's Dave. Oh, it's day.

No, it's not Dave. It is Dave. It is Dave. It is Dave. Oh, it's President's Day. Yeah. So the next two are Dave and Reality Bites. Dave.

Dave. Look at it. I love Dave. Me too. Yeah. We haven't taped that one yet, though. Dave is wonderful. Yeah.

All right. Can't wait for that. Thank you.