The Rewatchables - ‘American Pie’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey continue “Wait, That Movie Made HOW Much Money?” Month by rewatching a movie as good as apple pie: the 1999 hit comedy ‘American Pie,' starring Jason Biggs and Seann William Scott. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You can find the watch with Chris Ryan. And right now you can find the fourth installment of, wait, how much money did that movie make? Month on the rewatchables. Because I was supposed to record an episode last week, the fourth installment. But guess what? I got COVID.

I know. Who gets COVID anymore? Apparently this guy, because I got it. So we'd been planning on running this American Pie episode at some point anyway, and it's the perfect fourth one for this month. $130 million domestic. And then it made $356 million worldwide. American Pie.

Who knew? Only had a $50 million budget. It's also, I listened to the podcast. I love 99% of what we did. We left out like two things. One, I really do looking back, feel like this was the Apex Mountain for high school movies. 1999. This is a sampling. American Pie, Cruel Intentions, Never Been Kist, She's All That, Teaching Mrs. Tingle, The Faculty, Election, Drive Me Crazy, Outside Providence, I was in the 70s, but it was still

a boarding school. Ten Things I Hate About You in Varsity Blues, and you can even shoehorn American Beauty in there. I have no idea why high school movies went absolutely bad shit in the late 90s. I mean, I guess I have two theories. One is that this was the generation removed from the high school movies that we'd all grown up with. And we talked about this in the podcast, but they basically just started doing this generation's version of those movies. And then the second thing was this was still early in the internet era. And there wasn't, you know, a ton to do. And people still went to the movies pretty religiously and pretty regularly, especially teenagers and people in college.

And, you know, they just started kids. catering those type of movies to those people. So you look back at 98,99, I still know what you did last summer, all those movies, plus all these 99 movies, and it was just this high school boom. And now I think in this generation, it shifted to all the streaming stuff.

It shifted to, you know, either the made-for-netflix type of movies or those weird, like, summer I turn pretty type of Amazon shows. And, you know, this, whatever this was in the late 90s, it certainly felt like a generation. So that was one thing. And then the other thing that we didn't talk about in 99, which I think is more relevant now at the end of 2003, is Jennifer Coolidge, thanks to White Lotus, became even a bigger star.

So we were debating who won this movie. And I think if you look 24 years later, it's her. And it's Eugene Levy who had the Schitts Creek took off. Even when we taped this pot in 99, it was starting to be. become a thing on Netflix and then it blew up even bigger than that. So it's funny that those two older actors from this movie became the belated breakout stars of the movie. So there you go. We had a lot of fun doing this podcast. Me, Sean Fantasy, Chris Ryan. American Pie is next. The awkward moments. I want the right time, the right moment, the right place. It's not a space shuttle

launch. It's sex. The infatuation. I love you. You're a gay. What exactly does it feel like? Warm apple pie. Fascination. Huh? We'll just tell your mother that, uh... that, uh, we ate it all.

Here's to the next step. Universal Pictures presents American Pie. You know, I forgot you'd been there in time. I've learned about insects as in, so I really don't need you to sit here as much. My name is you to sit here. is Bill Simmons. I'm here with Chris Ryan. Sean Fantasy. We are breaking down. American Pie was the seventh highest grossing movie of this year, became a significant pop culture movie in the year in 1999 and has aged atrociously, which we're going to get into in an adorable way. You know, it's just kind of the way things were, but that's one of the reasons we want to do this podcast.

1999, really strange year. Let's dive into 1999 first before we can get to this movie. So we have Y2K coming. We're pretty early in the internet at this point. I mean, the technology was pretty advanced for Jason Biggs' character in this movie. I think we'll explore that. Yeah, yeah, maybe a little too advanced. But I was writing for my own website at the time, and it was on AOL. And like in 1890, it became available to everybody in the internet.

Like, that's how primitive the internet was at this point. This same year, Blair Witch came out, which we're going to talk about a later podcast. And people didn't realize that it was a hoax. People went into that movie and thought the found footage was really. It was a documentary. It was a little dumber back then. I think there was a big teen movie movement that we have discussed on our rewatchables podcast over the years, late 90s, blockbuster, going to the movie theater.

It was just kind of a way to hang out pre-internet. And a movie like this just fit into a lot of the other movies that were coming out back then. You want to talk about that, Sean? No, just that that is how I experienced it. It was a social event. I remember being 16 and going to see this movie with like nine friends, all of whom were guys, and thinking that this was going to be the most important thing that I'd do that year. They made a movie for you.

This is diner for you. In some ways, I was hoping it would be. And in some ways it was. In other ways, it was not. And it's definitely not now that I think about it when I see it again. Chris, what do you remember? You're a little older than Sean. You're between age-wise, between me.

I'm a late 40s guy. Yeah. And Sean's generation. What do you remember when this come out? I remember this probably being a couple, I was like a couple years too old for this movie at this point. So like I still liked it, but I obviously grew up with like Porky's and Bachelor Party

and National Ampoens movies. Even I remember you were talking with Hater about this. Kentucky Friday movie was a huge one for like that kind of everybody, like somebody gets a copy of that and we all gather around and watch it. So that felt like this other, this next generation's version of those kinds of movies. So my generation, which this movie basically was tapping into the legacy of, which was this, I'm going to say from like 1982 to 85, kind of these teen movies where risky business, fast times at Ridgemont High, that was the high end. Hot Dog the movie, probably the lower end. Then you have porkies losing it. The Last American Virgin, class, private school, my tutor. There was more, but those are probably the top night. What was my tutor about? My tutor is like the guy had a tutor and something started to happen. Guy in high school.

Incredible synopsis. Over and over again. Can you imagine pitching my tutor today? So there's a tutor. It's about a tutor. And it gets a little amorous. Every one of these movies had the same thing. Kid in high school and needed to get laid.

And they were all an excuse just to get to see a girl take her top off. That was the point of these movies in a lot of ways. They were funny and they were risque. but they were ultimately like, will a girl take her top off once or twice in this movie? That was, and this movie in that respect is in totally in the lineage of those movies. Oh, 100%. Yeah, I mean, I think we've talked about this. I can't remember on what podcast, but there's like a very specific moment in Stripes even,

where it was just like, there's just like a mud wrestling scene in stripes, a naked mud wrestling scene. For no reason. John Cady. For no reason at all in the movie. And it's just like that was basically a huge thing that Hollywood movies used to just slip in there to be like, you know what you want to see. If it's R-rated, you've got to see a woman with her top off. I think Animal House started that.

And it became like a recipe for, so why did people like this? Let's have a meeting. So what do you think, Bob and Bob would be like, well, some laughs, some star power and some nudity. That's the big three for us. So if we can stick to that recipe, going forward, we got something here, guys.

And this became a strategy really through, I would say, the mid-80s, even Revenge of the Nerds. which was hugely popular in 84, which wasn't necessarily losing the Virginia movie, but just has nude scenes shoehorned into it. And that's what they would do. Eventually we grew out of that.

And this movie really does feel like the guy who wrote it was just thinking to himself, what's the late 90s version of those movies that I loved when I was a kid? Right. What does that look like? And that's how the script happens. He does something that I think the Apatow movies

then go on to do Candleafi. in a better way, which is like, how can I take some of the tropes of a high school movie and invert them or push them to the farthest possible reaches? Because this movie is flirting with NC17 at certain points. I think it was. The unrated version, which you can get on the different streaming services, it was the NC17 version. Right.

The unrated version is just all hardcore scenes. That's right. It's penetration. It's just really, really long extended lacrosse montages. There's actually a website that has what the, unrated version. You know, they have those parent websites, and they do, they have the time frame, and it's like the R-rated version has this, and the NC-17 version have this.

And of course, I'm reading this because I like to research everything. And one of them, a big one was Jason Biggs in the pie scene, which we'll get into later when he has sex with an apple pie. I'll just let that hang for a second when he has sex with an apple pie. in the R-rated version, he's in the corner of the kitchen humping the pie standing up. In the NC-17 version,

he's lying face down on the counter, like really missionary position slamming the pie. I see. Well, I can see why they made that choice. Yeah, they were like, hey, can you use that other take with just him hunched over the pie? So it's a lot of stuff like that. The NC-17 really is different.

The way they put it out. So Adam Hertz was the screenwriter, influenced by all those movies we just mentioned. And the script that he wrote was titled Untitled Teenage Sex Comedy That Can Be Made for Under 10 Million That Most Readers Will Probably Hate But I Think You Will Love.

That was the actual title that he put on the script That he sent to the studio. So he's already in on the joke even before Anyone has tried to buy it. That's a screenwriter trick, by the way. The writing to the person who is reading it for the first time well before the movie will ever be in production. You know, that's an old Shane Black trick.

Quentin Tarrantino does that. In Leithel Weffin, Shane Black has like a description of a house, and he's just like, this is the kind of house I'm going to buy when this movie makes a billion dollars. Yeah, yeah. So they tried to find a director. It took 70 people. 70 people passed on it?

Kubrick passed. It said 70 people were sought. Sought is the information I have on the Internet. They started with Sidney Lumet. Yeah. Kubrick passed. Yeah. Spielberg was making Jurassic Park 2.

Yep. And Scorsese, bringing out the dead. He passed. And they landed on the White's brothers. The White's brothers, yeah. And Chris White said, quote, nobody else wanted to direct it. Literally nobody.

And those guys hadn't directed a movie yet. And they would obviously go on a big career. Had they done screenwriting before that? They'd written a couple of scripts. I think they wrote Ants, the animated movie that came out the year before that. And they'd done some shorts. But, you know, those guys have gone on to make many, many movies. And they're probably the biggest asset of this.

movie because the timing of the movie is pretty good. It's slower than I remember. You felt the same, right, Chris? Yes, I did. Yeah. It's like, whoa. A lot of the scenes go on for like 40 seconds longer than they really need to. Like, there will be like the point of the scene has been communicated, and then they'll just like sit there and be like, okay, yeah, we got to do that. Let's get laid. I think I always try to, one of the reasons we want to do this rewatchable's 999 podcast is it's always fun to think of what was going on when a movie like this came out. And I do think there was an appetite for a movie like this in 1999. Because we're still talking, this is pre-internet porn, too. We're talking three years before Pamela Anderson, the sex tape, comes out with her and Tommy Lee.

And that becomes one of the biggest things that happened in 1996. And really, everybody somehow saw that tape. But it was like porn was really not available. And early out in the scene, he's watching scrambled porn. And that was really, you know, so the movie, having Shane and Elizabeth, like, top us in this movie was actually, like, part of the marketing. Absolutely.

This girl's really good looking, and she's also going to get naked halfway through the movie in this scene that's about to become famous. And 16-year-old Sean Fennison and his friends along out are like, cool. Count me in. I'll be there. That's just the way it was in 1999.

You're absolutely right. We're not judging. It was harder to get your hands on that sort of thing. Sean was like, I'm going to go see. David Lynch's straight story tonight. You know, I think that there's like a real duality and it's okay to enjoy a movie like this, just like it's okay to be into the David Lynch

movie. And I think that this movie is not actually good, but I remember being completely entertained by it at the time and thinking it was like a great night out with my friends. And I definitely have seen it 10 plus times in my life, even though you know, you wouldn't consider it one of the all-time great movies.

I think the movie was good and aged poorly, but it was good. when it came out. It became a phenomenon. Despite itself, Stifler has become like a thing in the culture. You know what I mean?

100%. And Stiffer's mom. Like the whole mill thing? Like this movie created a lot of stuff. And band camp. Like there's a lot of like things that came out of this movie that despite the fact that I would not put it anywhere close to even like, you know,

even like a National Ampoons movie. I don't even think it's in the same ballpark as like being that good. It still has like a lot. A lot of staying power. It just really feels like a lot of people who are all doing it for the first time. And I don't mean that as a pun. Like, it's a lot of people

who are acting for the first time, first time directors, first time screenwriter. You can see that it's like pretty ramshack. People having sex for the first time. Definitely that was where I was going. It's just, it's a little bit amateurish. And that's part of its charm, I think. Yeah.

And when you're 16, you don't notice that. Like, I didn't notice that the movie is like holds for 40 seconds too long on scenes. That like the way that stuff is framed is just kind of clunky. You know, the dialogue reading, like Chris Klein reading dialogue in this movie, I'm like, kill me now.

This is brutal. Don't step on. I have a section about this later. There's like four a cappella singing scenes. Oh my God. I forgot that that was like a major part of this movie. It's a lot of mistakes are made. Whether or not he shows up for an acapella singing concert.

Yes. This also, this movie, so there's something about merit comes out the year before. Mm-hmm. As the legendary scene of the sperm on his head. Yeah. Which becomes the iconic, kind of screen grab from that and the hairstyle, that stuff.

That kicks off. Earlobe to Cameron Diaz's hair. Yeah. That kicks off about a five-year run of kind of gross-out R-rated. Oh, my God, I can't believe they did that, comedy stuff. And I don't think that can be slept down when we talk about this movie, because that was the atmosphere of the time was, you know, you talk about road trip. What was that crazy?

Freddy Got Fingered, the Tom Green movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of movies that were pushing it. Huh? When are we doing the Freddy Got Fingered rewatchable? We're never ever doing that. No, yeah.

It's like Jim Carrey, Ince Ventura, that whole era, like the Farreleys, that was the comedy of the time. That led to these movies. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's like, what's the point of the realm? But once you're done with farts and boners, where do you go? Acapellus. Now you got to go to stiff or drinking the pale ale.

And then you go further and further and you just keep going and going, go. That's what they call it in the movie. That was the first 20 minutes. Yeah. So. The film concentrates, I thought Wikipedia's description in this movie really summed it out. The film concentrates on five best friends, parentheses, Jim, Kevin, Oz, Finch, and Stiffler, end parentheses, who attend East Great Hall falls high.

With the exception of Stifler, parentheses, who has already lost his virginity, end parentheses. The guys make a pact to lose their virginity before graduation. First of all, anytime guys make a pact, it's going to go badly. Yeah. I'm trying to think, is there ever been a movie that you can remember in your life where four or more people said, let's make a pact? It's like the reverse of one last job. It's one first job, but it still goes the same bad way.

Or like in a rom-com when the two make a pact never get married, or when I'm 30, we will get married. Make a Pact is always a recipe for disaster. They make a Pact. We'll lose it before the prom. We're packed. Can I? Yeah. Because they're like, we'll help each other.

And it's just, it's a, it's a pretty solitary act, you know? You know what I just realized? This is definitely giving away way too much about my life. But the way that you see this movie, I think, is divided between if you've lost your virginity or not. Because if you haven't lost your virginity, you probably are willing to have more fun with this movie. But if you've had sex and you watch these idiot characters talk about having sex, you're like, this is pretty stupid. But if you haven't had sex, you're like, I totally relate to this. Yeah, because it's basically a high school graduation movie for,

eighth graders and high school freshmen. Now it's really for like my son, my son's generation. It's for 11 year olds. I'm so scared to ask if you will show Ben this movie. So I was watching it and Ben came down and watched five minutes with me. I was like, dad, what's this?

And I'm like, you have to go because the Nadia face cam scene. It was a safe five minutes. But he definitely... It was like Finch golfing. It's like, dad, why are we watching this golf movie? Well, what was making him laugh was, it was some scene with Stifford,

and you just forget, Stifford is really good at this movie. He's, you can't take your eyes off of him when he's in a scene. Yeah. And he's just got this crazy energy and this crazy look on his face. So for somebody like Ben,

he's like, who's that? What's he up to? Fun business story for this movie. Universal sold the foreign rights because it was an attempt to recoup the film's budget at Khan. Big mistake. Whoops.

The movie made, took in gross worldwide revenue of 235 million, over half of which was from international tickets. What are the hell were people overseas thinking about this country when they were watching American Pie? They were like, Vueh, do no, Stifler! I mean, of course this movie was successful, though. It's like, it's exactly what you're saying about Stifler.

It's all sight gags. It's big, over-the-top comedy. 20th highest grossing film in 1999 in North America. Mixed reviews from critics. Hard to believe. What did Ebert say? 61% for Broughton Tomatoes. what do you think Ebert said?

I know Ebert liked this movie. Three out of four stars from Raj. Absolutely. Actually, I got to say his take on this is kind of with my take and why I'm going to defend this movie when I know you guys are going to be a little more lukewarm on it. Cheerful and hardworking and sometimes funny. And here's the important thing.

It's not mean. Its characters are sort of sweet and lovable. And I think that's a really good point. the characters are mean to each other but all as like the way buddies are but all of them are self-deprecating and all of them get a comeuppance in some way which is why this movie seems okay

even though some of the atrocities that happen within it are kind of indefensible in 2019 but it's these guys that are just they're buddies they know they're fucking weird they're self-deprecating about it and they all like stumble at some point in the movie

yeah so are you saying that Roger Ebert is a titan of film criticism? No. Just ain't you made a good point here. Our last bravest critic. Raj bats like, I don't know, 52%. He bats 100%.

Yeah, that gets you into Cooperstown. Yeah. Anything else we want to say before we get into this? Can we talk a little bit about this is a DVD? Because this was definitely a movie that was just on every coffee table in college. So the DVD run started about 97 and 98, 99, then it became a thing. And it's like, I like that movie. You can't overestimate until like 96,

you really couldn't watch a movie over and over again unless you taped it on your VCR. So it was really fun to have a DVD. Like, hey, let's get Stone to watch American Pie tonight. It's just like movies like old school and the Kevin Smith movies where everybody just had a copy of those DVDs and they were just on in dorm rooms for years. You know, the Big Lobowski was like that.

I would actually say that Mallrats is probably, to me, what American Pie was to a lot of people watching it in high school or like early, like late eighth grade or whatever. That's where you learned about sexual coercion. No, but it was like, yeah. Like it was also that that was like, I can't believe people talk like this. This is amazing.

And I watched it like three times in the theater. And that's like 96, 97. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought it was an important point, which maybe Craig, the producer said this, how much better super bad is this in this movie? And it's,

oh yeah. It's eight, they're eight years apart and it feels like it's like 28. Yeah. for whatever reason, once we hit the mid-2000s, and maybe it started with old school, doing this type of movie, the bar just raised. It's like, we're going to do this type of movie, but let's actually be much more self-aware

and do all these different tricks. That's it. Better actors, better directors, better writers, and it's very self-aware. And way more improv. I think you can feel like how loose those movies are. And so not improv in a bad way where you're like, oh, this was the 16th take

and you just like cut it together. It's like improv in a way that makes the characters feel way more realistic. And there's no like, I'm going to stand up on a chair and give a speech about how we all need to help each other lose our virginity. It's like it's way more when you watch Jonah Hill and Michael Sarah do that. It just feels like, oh, these are just, these are kids. I get it. The paradox of this movie is it was a really successful movie. And all these people in this movie became stars.

Didn't last long. But there's this two, three year window where like seven people in this movie. movie become a thing. But when I watched a movie again, I was startled by how bad the acting was, especially somebody like Chris Klein, who really became a star there for three, four years. They built Roller Ball, the Roller Bar remake, around Chris Klein. And he couldn't act. They built, Mina Savari was in not just American Beauty, but then she was also in Loser with Jason Biggs. And that was Amy Heckerman's, Her Hackerling. Hickering her. her clueless follow-up.

It was built around those, too. Minasovar is, like, actively terrible in this movie. Not a good actress, yeah. So you're going down the line, it's kind of, like Tara Reid, this was the peak of her career, but it seemed like she was going to become a thing in 1999. She started dating Carson Daily.

Jennifer Coolidge probably made out the best. I think the two biggest, the people who have lasted the longest outside of Eugene Levy and Jennifer Coolidge, who have obviously worked consistently, or Casey Affleck and Natasha Leone. Right. Those are the two biggest stars in this movie.

movie. Well, Sean William Scott really did seem like he was going to be a giant star. I mean, he had big starring roles in big comedies. Yeah. He had a very big career. He had a big five-year run. So he did the best. He's in the rundown with The Rock. That movie's pretty good. It's great. Yeah. I remember Chris Moore, the producer, he told me this story once. I forget he produced like two or three. Oh, the American Pie. Yeah. And in this first one, Sean William Scott made $8,000. The second one, he probably made more. One of the, whatever one, Chris, Morris Moore produced, Sean William Scott, didn't want to do this.

Do it again. And they paid him $15 million. And... You guys got to see Fetty's face right now. Yeah. And the studio is like, that's insane. It's Sean William Scott. And he's like, yeah, but you know what else is insane?

Doing American Pie 3, if he's not in it, we just have to pay it. And it made money and it was the right move. But it was also insane. But it's like somebody's value to a weird movie franchise like this, he was. is really the go-to guy. Yeah. It's true. The movie doesn't work

without him. No. Because even though he's definitely the biggest dick in the movie and a lot of his humor has not aged very well, he was totally the,

he was the draw for teenage boys. You know, him and Shannon Elizabeth, like that was the draw. Anything else before we get to the categories? One thing that I would just want to know when we were talking about those 90s movies and,

excuse me, when we were talking about those 80s movies is it's weird how much of a, how there just weren't any movies like that in the 90s? You know, the teen movies were like, clueless and can't hardly wait.

And even in 99, it was like 10 things I hate about you and she's all that. And everything was very sweet. Yeah. I think that was a reflection of like the tone of that time in high school, I think too, which is when I went to high school. But it was a much more, I think it was somewhat considerate. It was like right around alternative rock and grunge happening and people were like a little bit more. I don't want to say like reflective necessarily, but it was definitely like a little bit more nuanced.

emotionally, rather than just like, let's screw. I mean, there was plenty of that, but it was mostly like, if you have people like Lloyd Dobler as like generational icons, it's not going to have, it's not going to be like Tom Hanks or somebody from Bachelor Party is like, I can't wait until that's my life. Yeah, these movies always feel like a reflection of the thing that came before. Sure. So the 70s are like this very sophisticated, politically charged, you know, it's like a sexual revolution, but the movies that you're seeing are these like really deep artistic statements.

And then the 80s, you get all this stuff that's just like horny and action-centric. Brockheimer Simpson, glass, yeah. And then same thing. Early 90s, things turn back. You've got the Clinton administration. You've got grunge music. And then you start getting towards 2000. And then everything starts to get a little bit more explosiony.

The Matrix happens. All these horny teen movies start happening again. It's funny how that stuff kind of tips back and forth. This feels almost like an extension or part of a piece with like some of the rap rock stuff. Like it's a little bit more knowing and sweet. But it still is like it goes along with that kind of. that vibe a little bit? See, I disagree with both of you.

Okay. I think they made so many of these movies in the 80s that the whole concept got fucked out. It was like they did every single conceivable version of a high school movie, of somebody losing their virginity of any sort of scenario. And by 88, it was kind of dead. And then over the next five, six years, like the whole quote unquote high school movie actually became like an advanced type of movie. You mentioned say anything.

That's a high school movie, but it's just like an awesome version of a high school movie. But I also think that that's like post, like, we had safe sex beaten into our heads from like pretty much fourth or fifth grade on where it was just like you should be terrified of this. Yeah. So I think that like there was a little bit of like not fear, but like you weren't you weren't as like openly horny. Like people were definitely horny. But it was just I felt like it was a little bit more of a restrained time. Yeah, you might be right. Like zebra head was a high school movie.

Pump Up the Volume was a high school movie. Yeah, these are complicated movies. They're just really, they were advanced movies. Heather's was like a pretty darky. Heather's was a high school movie. I just think the high school movie, they took every variation of it, and they're like, how do we go up a level? And then once you got to the late 90s, people were like,

you know what it's fun? Like, just stupid high school movies. And this movie is a bigger hit than all those other movies. Oh, yeah. It was massive. So when we do the rewatchables podcast, we go through categories. It enables us to shape our feelings on the movie. movie. I added a special category

for the rewatchables 1999, which you guys don't know. I'm ready. That's not what we're starting with, though. Most rewatchable scene of American Pie. And by the way, I'm not going to judge you for any of your choices. You have some candidates for us?

I do. The whole Stipford drinks to pale ale beer scene. It's just funny. That whole party is good. Here's the thing. I'm not going to apologize if a movie makes me laugh that was made 20 years ago. I don't want to be judged. That whole scene is really funny.

I had forgotten when I watched it. That's like the least, that's the least problematic scene in this whole movie. It's just, you're drinking that guy's load. Don't drink the beer. Oh, no. Just that whole thing,

it's just the way it's set up, it's just really good. Yeah. Eugene Levy's Birds and the Bees speech. Uh-huh. Oh, I almost forgot. I bought some magazines. Do you want to just flip to the center section?

Well, this is the female form, and they have focused on the breasts, which are used primarily to feed young infants, and also in for play. Right. He's just really good in this movie. I think he's really funny. And it's a great run where he's also doing the Christopher Guest movies. And he's somebody that... This is a revival for him this period of time.

He's really good, that whole thing about just... flogging the one-eyed dolphin, like whatever. All the 17 ways he puts things. It's really great. Nadia and Jim's room. It's problematic for a bunch of reasons. It's also really funny. What's rewatchable about it, Bill?

The he blew it part, that whole section, is just really funny. The whole premature ejaculation. It's just hilarious. We can get into some of the other problems that's in later. Did you think he was going to be like just that, that moment of pre-broadband internet. It's so fascinating. On the precipice of such an amazing time technologically.

As an early adopter of webcam technology. And then I have for most rewatchable, the Enquirer scene with Chris Klein is honestly one of the worst movies scenes of all time. And it's rewatchable in its own right for how bad it is and how the movie got to the point where they said, you know, more choir. Put one more choir scene in.

Maybe that could be the payoff. Because there's no real story otherwise. So they put in like this weird like we have to help each other get laid. So they do a montage of them like being like, this is how you put together a flower bouquet and all that. But otherwise it would just be a series of like waiting for prom to start. So they have to have like some like rocky kind of sports story going on in the background of like, will this guy choose lacrosse or acapella?

It's the stupidest thing in the whole world. So guys, I've got a choir to go to. Good luck in your game. So this is Chris Klein and Minasivari actually singing, right? They're not dubbed. Yeah. So almost every movie where an actor or an actress sings, they dub it with someone who knows how to sing.

And the point of this movie is that the people who are singing are literally in a competition to win something with the power of their singing. Their singing sucks. Like, they are horrible singers. Really bad. And we watched them sing four different times in the movie. Yeah. What was the thinking here?

Was it, were we meant to think that, they're bad? See, this is my question with this movie, and that's like going back to the Nadia scene, which is really funny, if they're doing this movie, and it's almost a parody of 80s movies, and the parody of that movie is like,

Kim leaving his house and sprinting to his buddy's house to watch the webcam, and them saying, you should go back there and ask if you can lend her a hand, and he's like, should I? And it's like, it's so absurd,

it's almost hard to get mad at it. I think it would never happen. That whole idea is genius. I think that's really funny. I love the idea of him being like, now I got to run to my friend's house, now I got to run back. He's got to sprint back,

but it felt very like 80s, Ferris Bueller-a-a-old homage. Like running an homage to a bunch of 80s movies. Yeah. So I'll defend it. Okay. I think if you did that now, everybody's in jail,

and it's a front-line story, and there's a documentary on HBO about it, and Nadia suing the school system, and 19 horrible outcomes. I, oh, man, I'm trying to think of other re-watchable scenes. One scene jumped out to me. I don't know if I would describe it as purely rewatchable,

but I was really confused by it, which is when Tara Reid's character tells Thomas Ian Nicholas's character that she's ready to have sex after the prom, but she does it in class. So she, like, gets his attention, and she's like, whatever's name is, it's Thomas.

Bad actor. Yeah, I'm ready in front of everybody. And I can't, that was another moment where I was like, is this purposefully stupid? Like, what? Are they making a comment on it? Because, like, these people presumably spend a lot of time together, and they've been talking about this all the time. So why did she decide to tell him in class? Well, that's my question. So we know the whites brothers. We know that they're talented. Yeah, they're really smart and funny. They've done a lot of, like, really creative stuff. Which makes me think like this whole movie was subversive. It's like a commentary on these kinds of movies. I don't agree with that. And then it became super popular. I think it's in play. You can't figure it out. It's like a parody of high school movies. I think for them, I think they're fucking with the whole. whole kind of way that these go. But then it ended up becoming super popular. Yeah, it's almost like if you took airplane and mashed it together with an actually

scary movie about something that happens at an airport. But like you never really decided which one you were going to do. There are times where it's like the stakes are really high dramatically in this movie. And then there are other times where I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Because there's also moments where like it seems like the four guys like kind of hate each other. But then they're like, we are brothers and we must do this. together. Meanwhile, it doesn't seem like they'd ever hang out.

Well, did you ever see the movie, the movie that airplane was based on? Is it airport? Airport 75. Yeah, with Karen Black. And if you watch that movie, that movie doesn't know if it's serious or not. That's true. It's completely over the top, but it also seems like it's parodying those movies at the same time. The Poseidon Adventure is kind of similar where it's just like Gene Hackman being like,

I can't believe I'm doing this, but at the same time, this is diehard. That is a move in movies, I guess. When you're making a movie that's been made like 20 times before, you kind of have to be a little bit knowing about the thing that you're making. So what's the most rewatchable scene, fellas? I like the opening party at Stiffler's culminating with the BIPA. Against my better judgment, it's definitely got to be Nadia and Jim, even though that is like a sexually predatory act and is definitely illegal.

I watched it with my wife, and the second premature ejaculation, it's just fucking funny. Everybody's watching going, no, not again. And they're just confused. How about Blink 182 showing up there to watch? Blink 182 is in it? That's great. All right.

New category for rewatchables 99. Most 1999 moment possible. I mean, it's got to be him logging on to that dating service with all the like. Well, give you the nominees. Okay. Jim using e-date. Yeah. Scramble porn.

Like Craig's generation doesn't even know what scrambled porn is. The Harvey Danger song montage. Incredible. stuff. So 1999. You can just feel the 1999 music from it. And then Blink 182 making a cameo uncredited in the key scene of the thing, which was like, if you're going to pick a 1999 band, it's got to be that. It would have been that, right? Who else would you have picked? I mean, it's a perfect choice. Yeah. Limp biscuit would be too much. You know what I mean? Yeah. I would also just nominate all of the clothes. They'll close that the people are wearing this.

I wanted to talk a little bit about this, but I'm going to save it for what age. one of those outfits. The open button down with a t-shirt underneath. That's a classic style. And all the stuff that girls are wearing in that movie are everybody's wearing now. That is true. But like Jim's clothes in particular,

where he's got these big collars, and he's got like a t-shirt with like a ribbed neck underneath it. They're trying to roast him at the fast food place. But in reality, Kevin actually has the worst outfit. Like when they go to the fast food place for the first time and they drink like mouth.

wash and stuff like that. Kevin's outfit when he's walking into the restaurant is like pretty short shorts, Teva's, a t-shirt and like an open short sleeve button up. It's like I don't know. Like that can't get thrown at a dumpster. Let me, do you guys know if

the high school Lacks bro is still a thing? Because that's the other thing. We have to call Bakes. I assume so. Because the you know, the Chris Klein character is a very recognizable figure to me. Yeah. Like on Long Island, a dude who is like all I care about is lacrosse. Yeah. I dress like a guy who plays lacrosse every day.

Does anybody like, so in this movie, I figured it was just a matter of not being able to pay for extras. There's like nine people at this game. But the lacrosse guys are supposed to be like the football guys. Is that right? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Yeah.

They might have run out of money for the extras at that point. So what do you think is the most $19.99? I think it's definitely the E-date thing. The E-Dade is incredible. His whole web setup is pretty amazing. I love the webcam is just generally like the technology. I think you could make it even bigger than that. but um i vote for harvey danger i just feel like he belongs to a specific point of time at the end of the

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Stifler. Uh-huh. He's aged well. Not everything he says is he as well. I'm not saying the character. I'm saying the Sean William Scott as Stifferer. Yeah. I prefer him as the best.

the animal trainer in old school, the animal wrangler? He's great in that. Got a fucking door in your neck. If, uh, when I rewatch this movie, I was like, Sean William Scott, maybe should have had a bigger career. I think he's, he's on lethal weapon now, right? Yeah, he's had a pretty big career. Could he have?

He really, he put a lot of eggs in the playing that in Goon, right? Do you feel like Owen Wilson, uh, Owen Wilson, uh, Owen Wilson, uh, Andrews? Oh my God. It's hot here. Do you think Owen Wilson market corrected him? If there's no Owen Wilson, does he get like five of those movies? No, because Sean William Scott's got more edge.

Owen Wilson's very sweet in his movies. You don't think he could have been in, like, meet the parents? Maybe, maybe. I mean, Sean William Scott has been doing a voice in the Ice Age movies for the last 10 years, and I feel like he's getting nice checks on that. I feel he's doing well. $15 million to be American by three. I bet he's made like $120 million.

hours in his career. Another what's age the best. I enjoyed Finch. Like Finch. Not sure why he didn't have a bigger career. Eddie K. Thomas. Coming out of the movie, I remember thinking as a teenager, like that guy's going to be like a John Cusack kind of thing.

And he didn't really pop off. He did a lot of sitcom work. Did you have a friend in high school who had like a really high-end, high-concept bit like that? It was kind of me. I'm kind of the person who was like that. I was like, I'm mature. Really?

Yeah. Yeah. You guys are animals. Yeah. I wish I would say. But I was hanging out with animals. Like all of my friends were fucking monsters. They were great guys, but they were monsters.

And I was like, I'm above this, but I'm not above this. Okay. That was my bed. Right. I wasn't drinking Mokicino in school, though. We didn't have, I don't think I knew anybody like that. I enjoyed Finch. Here's my theory on why Finch stands out in this movie, because so many of the other actors are horrible.

Yeah. He actually seems like Robert De Niro on some of these scenes. He's currently on CBS's Scorpio, I believe. Yeah, there you go. Do you know that he's also the titular Freddie and Freddie got fingered? It's a true story. It's the unifying figure of... Another what's age the best.

Shannon Elizabeth. Really, really, really good-looking late 90s in this whole world of Maxim Magazine and stuff and she was like a goddess for two years. And I kind of forgot this until I watched this movie. There was a moment in time when she was kind of like the goat of, if you were 16, that was the person you liked the most

because she was in this scene. And she could never parlayed in anything. Maxim and stuff were kind of like the last edge of this. You talked about like this was before like internet pornography and everything getting like kind of like distributed like that. Maxim is kind of like the last like, wow, an actress, but really looking sexy. She was probably the most successful or the celebrity that took the best advantage of Maxim. And they would also like they would get away a lot with like you've never seen her like this before. Dame Judy Dench.

You've never seen her like... Helen Mirren. So I have... I've had a couple of different interesting stages with Shannon Elizabeth because she also went on to a pretty impressive poker career in the early to mid-2000s.

And she cashed in like many tournaments over the years. And I think she played in the World Series a few times. I remember watching her. And she had like an actually pretty good reputation even though she was a famous, you know, really beautiful actress. And I also was working at Stuff Magazine in 2005, like kind of when her star was starting to fall a little bit in that world.

And she was like, she was well known for being a person who could sell a lot of magazines for a time when those publishing companies were thriving. I think Jennifer Love Heu was another one from that era. Very similar. That era had a couple, like, I feel like Jessica Simpson was on it. Transcendant Babes. She wasn't, she was like early 2000s, I think. They all had very similar looks too.

Neve Campbell. Tall brunette. Yeah. You know. Yeah. the whole fact that this movie basically popular is the MILF concept

impressive. You would know I mean were there no MILFs before this? I have some in the I will get to it. Have you had a MILF category to rewatchable? MILF 99. That's exciting.

No, that's my other podcast on Luminary. I think we could sell that. The Coolidge thing's really funny though. She's great. Her being in that room, that whole scene. I should have put that in the rewatchable scene. That part is funny.

She's really good. Yeah, she's really good. Like seems really funny. Yeah. Can I make you a drink? Aged 18 years. It's very subtle. I have to say something about the mill thing.

Yeah. That is a weird generational thing where in my high school, it would be pretty much grounds for fighting if you started talking about somebody's mother like that. Yeah. And yet in this and in super bad, it's like this hilarious bit that everybody is allowing to happen to happen. But like if you were like your mom is hot at a basketball practice, you probably get like, like, like a basketball thrown in your face as hard as possible. Let me ask you this. Were there any hot moms in your atmosphere?

Well, it's a complicated story. But yeah, there were. There were. I was going to tell a story about being a lifeguard, and there was a really hot mom who was at the pool I was a lifeguard at. And her husband killed a guy at a Coke deal. What? Yeah.

And went to jail. And then, like, everybody was like, she's available. Like, that was like that she was like out there. So there were jokes about that. Yeah, yeah, but not, it wasn't like one of our friends. It's a tough topic for me. Is it because you know many mothers at this stage of things? No, I, you had a hot mom experience?

Bill's like adjusting the microphone and getting serious in a way that's never happened before. I don't know, actually, I really want this podcast to ever go up. Go ahead. I had the hot mob. Oh, no, Bill! It was a running joke with my friends. Oh, wow. But we joked about it.

Okay. My friends would always be like, is your mom coming out and hanging out in the pool with us? And it was just, when you're friends, you make fun of each other about absolutely everything. And it became a topic. Yeah, I don't want to hurt any of my friend's mom's feelings, but I don't know if we had like a hot mom. My mom's 70 now. Craig, is that a joke? Is that a joke?

Yeah. Yeah. All right. I guess I just went to a really like buttoned down school. Man, Pennsylvania. It's such a weird place. Can't trust it. Yeah.

So much, so much repressive. You don't even have to drink on Sundays where you're from. So much repressed anger. But you had the Coke Lord widow. That's true. That's an amazing. I feel like there was like five or six people who like died and Coke deals gone bad in the 80s in my life. This is another podcast altogether.

I do think that the mill thing is really funny though because I have no idea if this is where it started. You literally would know better than me. Definitely popular. But that is like a whole strand of like porn and sexuality and like that is like a defining aspect of all this stuff. in the 21st century? I just mean like, where people, when people are like, when John's show is like,

I want to hump this guy's mom at his house, that would be considered a social fauxpaw. Yeah, I feel like it actually flipped something. Like, I always think of shampoo in the, in the Warren Bating movie Shampoo where he goes. And Mrs. Robinson. And Mrs. Robinson too. But then he goes over to Carrie Fisher's house

and he sleeps with Carrie Fisher when she's like the young daughter. And so it used to be like this complicated jail bait thing. And this movie kind of turns it on. its head a lot. Yeah. The John show scene's funny. Great podcast. John show scene is funny, though.

Move! Move! Another one. Very subtle, but hilarious. And I've seen this movie more than once, but Jim's family portrait. And you can see, they do it, and they're all looking ahead, and they all look like just complete maniacs. It looks like it was shot the day before.

Yeah. You know, like it's literally them in that exact moment. Makes me laugh. This one time, at Ban Camp, it's still funny. Yeah. It's annoying, but it's funny, and it became, you talk about tropes that came from this, or not tropes, but like running jokes that came from this movie. That became the go-to thing to make fun of anybody who was a super nerd for, I don't know, eight years.

I have a take about this. Yeah. If you ever just listen to Alison Hannigan's character talk, she sounds just like Greta Gerwig. And one time, at Ban Camp, we weren't supposed to have pillow fights. I learned to do that at band camp. This one time, a band camp? I thought so, because this one time, at band camp? What's your name?

So you think that Gerwig is actually, like, based on her entire person? She's Allison Hanigan 2.0? I don't know. It's weird. Just like listen to it without watching it. It's almost unnerving. And then the last one, my wife said this during the scene.

Sean's going to be catatonic after this. Because I watch this with my wife, and she's, this is just a quote. Tara Reid pretending to lose her virginity was the best acting in this movie. My wife said it. I didn't say it. I'm not in trouble for that one. It's tough.

Yeah, it was a good line. What's age the best, Chris, Ryan? My wife's funny. The Jennifer Coolidge stuff is age the best. I agree. I agree. That's the answer. What's age the worst?

Jim decides to commit a felony by secretly recording Nadia changing clothes in his bedroom and broadcasting to his friends via webcam. unfortunately, the stream goes out to people far beyond Jim's social circle. Yes, including her. That's from Wikipedia. The sponsors of her visa. It's a tough one.

Yeah. She gets essentially deported. Was the nation of Czechoslovakia in existence in 1989? I don't believe it was. It was not. They keep referring to her as Czechoslovakian. I thought she was Russian. Was she Yugoslavian?

Unclear. No. It was quite a tumultuous time over that part of the world. Yeah. Just a notable fact. Doubling up the sort of. tragedy of her getting deported back. Yeah, I also can't say that her accent has like aged that well.

She's kind of slipping in and out there. I don't know what country she thought she was from in the movie. She's from the former Czechoslovakia. Do you think she studied a lot of like Drozhen, Petrovich, Vladivac kind of accents? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely looked at a lot of devotch tape. So. Just crazy cold passes from the high post.

I'm trying to imagine what would happen in night in, in, 2019 in social media, if this movie became a successful comedy that was released, how the Twitter police would react. They would literally make it a horror movie. It wouldn't be a comedy. It would be the same set up. This would be a horror movie. Yeah.

Not to mention he goes to school the next day, which they gloss over. None of his friends even give him a heads up. My wife pointed out the fact that there were no ramifications. The only person who was punished was her because she had to go back to her home country. Yeah. Nothing else happened. A fallen Soviet state. It's a plot hole.

What also has aged the worst, and this is just from, it's 20 years later, but at the time, the casting impact of the kid from Rookie of the Year, being in this movie about everybody losing his virginity, their virginity, was kind of a hook of the movie. He's like, oh, that kid? Henry Rowinger. You wouldn't even know the connection to that. I'll just read what I wrote here. Mina Savari Hash never understood it.

Chris Klein, hash, just bad at acting. And then Minas Savari Capitals and Chris Klein. All of that's age the worst. Dynamite. And they're also carrying the dramatic and emotional weight of the movie on their shoulders. Yes. They're horrible. I just staggeringly, stunningly horrible.

I actually have to say, I came out of this movie not, I didn't feel one way or another about Mina Savari. So I'm kind of surprised to hear you guys. I thought she was pretty bad. To think that this is like on her. She's just bad. Yeah. But part of me thinks that she bad because Chris Klein is bad.

At one point she wears platform flip-flops, which I noticed, but that was like the only thing I noticed. She has a line reading that's like, you're such a joke. Actually, you're a jerk. And it's so bad. It's terrible. The scene when you can sell stuff. Like, tell the people sell stuff.

She overhears the lacrosse team talking about Chris Klein and her and she decides to univide him to the prom and they're walking in the street. And it's like a one minute. scene. It feels like it's 100 minutes. And it's like a first take that they just kept. It is just so bad. Great physical performance from Stifler in that scene though.

He's doing the like ride the Bronco motion. It's great stuff. I really enjoy Stifler. They're just, I just can't believe how bad those scenes were. And then it's like, wow, well, at least it's over. And then it's like, nope, here's another one. Nope, back at the choir.

It's not good. Another what's age the worst. Ter Reid and her boyfriend breaking up before they went to college. This has never actually happened in real life. You thought that was bad? No, it's just too unrealistic. So he gets into Michigan.

It's a realistic thing in the movie. And she's going, is she going to Cornell or is she going to Ithaca? Unclear. I mean, she says, I'm going to Ithaca. Here's the thing. I went to Ithaca. I went to Ithaca college. She got the big package that she was nervous about opening

that was going to say whether or not she got into Ithaca. That makes me think that it was not Ithaca and that it was Cornell. No disrespect to Ithaca. No, because I was wondering, she seems so nervous about it. Yeah, exactly. That's why it seems like Cornell. Yeah.

What's a better school, Cornell or Ithaca? Cornell. Cornell's an Ivy. I think she got in it, Ithaca then, because she was so stupid, she got this giant packet and didn't know if she got in. Who's ever applied to college ever?

That's a great point. Different thing, envelope versus giant packet. It's a great point. There are brilliant people at Ithaca college. And it's a very good school, but it's not quite. We employ several of them. We do employ several IC alums. Yeah.

She wasn't a rocket scientist. In real life... Sean gets an alumni letter. It's a beat for Sean. What's ages of worst? Dithka College. Well, this is an amazing time for Ithaca College

because road trip is also set around Ithaca college. Why was Ithaca the center of... Is that why you went to Ithaca? Good foliage. That's true. Is that why you went to Ithaca? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I was in love of Tara Reid. I thought she was going to be there. In real life, they would have stayed together, done the cross-country thing, and then broke it up at homecoming. Right up until the first time either of them met anybody and didn't pick up the first.

This is how this happened. I did it. Yeah. I literally did it. I called your dorm room and a guy picked up or some weird, like no one picked up at two in the morning on a Saturday. Where were you? And it's like I was just meeting people.

And then that's how. Or when they're back at home for Thanksgiving break, or just the huge fight on Wednesday night at the party when all the friends are back together. For all the listeners out there, I would not recommend long distance, relationships during college. But if you can make it work.

If you can make it work, it's amazing. I made it work. It's really hard. What's age the worst? Another one. Stiffler's mom just probably goes to jail unless he's 18. He's 18. Oh, he is 18.

That's the joke they make because she's talking about the Scotch. And she's like, it's aged 18 years just like I like it. All the crimes committed in this movie, Stifler's mom is the one who's like going to jail. Yeah. But it's a crime. If he was 17. I would say broadcasting Nadia masturbating is. is pretty high up there.

Yeah. Pretty high up there. No, the principal never, there was no investigation in the next day, nothing. I would say the police would be a Jim's house, more than likely. Another what's age the worst. This is the whitest movie, I think, ever made. Absolutely. Yeah. Michigan, you know.

There's one minority in it, John Cho. Yep. There are no black people in it all. There's not a single black person's whole movie because I actually watched the movie this time looking for the one black person. and it's like almost intentionally wait even to the point that they did lacrosse.

Well, the choir teacher. That's right. She's black. Oh, that's fair. Also not a terribly good actress. No. I don't know if you noticed. It's like, great, guys.

We'll see you on Sunday. I think you're overrating what, like, if we put Dustin Hoffman and like, you're just like, Al Pacino in this movie, how much better do you think? Well, I guess it would be pretty weird. A lot better.

It would be pretty weird if Dustin Hoffman and Al Pacino played 50. and Kevin. Do you think they ever staged on Broadway, like an American pie? Like a table rate? Kind of like a Jason Raidman thing.

That would be good, yeah. Hoffman, Diane Keaton. Another would stage the worst. The actual soundtrack for the movie really should have been better. Yeah. I look through it. It's like I left me,

left me hanging. There were a lot of very popular 90s jams in the movie that are not on the soundtrack. Like everything to everyone. I have a list. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Semi Charmed Life.

Sevent Charmed Life was like, dying to be in the soundtrack. This is because they couldn't afford it. They probably could pay for it to be in the movie, but not to be on the soundtrack. The Bear Naked Lady's song is in the movie but not on the soundtrack. Fat Boy Slims on here not used soundtrack.

James Laid, not used. Verf Pipe, the freshman not used. James Laid, though, I feel like the movie was sold on that. Didn't that appear in the trailer? That's in the trailer. I feel like that was a big... Oh, yeah, you're right. The trailer.

It really revived that song. Trailer was good. Very good trailer. What's Age the Worst? I don't think we need to debate that one. Casting What Ifs? Here's a good one. Bill Murray, turn the roll down of Jim's dad. Different movie. Weirdly.

I feel like Bill Murray walks off that set, like 20 minutes into his... He's like, can I see some tapes of Chris Klein? They're like, ah. Allison Hanigan was initially offered the role of Heather, which I think was Terry Reid's role. That's Vicki. Or Minasovari's role. Turned it down because she read the script and asked to play the band camp girl instead. Good choice.

Allison Hannigan also had a very successful career. after this movie. She did. She's funny. She basically was in TV for 20 years after this. Her and Natasha Leon are actually good actresses and they're kind of surrounded by a lot of people who don't know what they're doing. The Dion Wader's Award. Yeah, I got this. Our nominees are Casey Affleck?

There's only one nominee. There's only Casey Affleck sitting at a sushi bar talking into a 1999 cell phone. They only did one shot of him. I don't know what had to happen from being this movie. But it is incredible. It is like, I forgot completely that this happened. Do you think he was friends with the White's brothers and they're like, we need you and he's like, I have an hour.

Yes, I do. That is what I think happened. Okay, let's like just briefly go over. What was Casey Affleck doing in 99? It's not like he was a big star. He wasn't. He had already been in Goodwell Hunting at that point. So I have some other Dian Waiters Awards while Chris looks this up for nominees.

Jennifer Coolidge is only in one scene. I actually think she's the favorite for this. What a 99 for Casey Affleck, by the way? Also in 200 cigarettes. Yeah. And then he wasn't really what we would call busy, but he was coming off of Goodwell hunting. He's also in American Pie 2, which I did not know. Don't remember American Pie 2.

Not is in that again, though. I think she got out of the Czechos fucking Gula. Somehow, yeah. Yeah, he was just hanging out. He played a guy named Bobby Calzone in a movie called Drowning Mona. Oh, I've seen Drowning. Is Danny DeVio, did he direct that? Yeah, I've seen Drowning Mona.

Great stuff. I have one more. Calzone is your new dating. One more candidate for Deanne Waiters. Stiffler's brother, the little brother. Oh, yeah. He's in like three scenes. Fuckers, fuckers.

Very Ben Simmons-esque. My wife said that to me last night. She was like, does Bill know that that is his son? He's got a very similar energy. Yeah. Did Bill see that scene? Or did Ben see that scene? No, he did not.

Okay. No, he did not. So you vote for Affleck. Absolutely. I vote for Cool. You're right. It's Coolidge. Okay.

Affleck's really funny. We should almost have like some sort of cameo category because a heat check is a little different from a cameo. Like, Affleck isn't it like that? Yeah. Coolidge is important to the movie. But Affleck is also very crucial to the story. You know, he presents him with that sort of Raiders of the Lost Arc-Tome.

Do you have one of those growing up? No, but I would say that, I guess I will say, that pornography was passed down from generation to generation, which made for some pretty odd introductions to pornography, I will say. Wow. You know what I mean? Like if you're in 1993 and then you get a Swedish porn tape from like the early 80s, it's like that's a pretty weird way to get introduced to some of those ads.

All right, half-ass internet research. This is where I look stuff up on the internet and try to figure out what the hell happened with how much of it is true. It took four tries for this film to get an R rating instead of an NC17. There were four... Do you think it was like all three times? They were like, what about this way of him fucking the pie? Yeah, they were like, can you not do the pie doggy style?

Can you just... Can the pie be done doggy style? I don't know. Is that in play? Maybe. Okay. Four American Pie movies. Four directed DVD spin-off films.

Can you name any of them? American Pie Presents Blank. I remember American Reunion. I don't remember any of the spinoffs. American Pie Presents. band camp? Oh yeah? The Naked Mile.

Oh, yeah, the Nakeda House and the Book of Love. Those all came out from 05 to 09. What's the naked mile? There's some very similar to the it's like the Will Ferrell scene in old school where he goes streaking, but like with like 100 people.

Like a lot of people from the college go running. I've not seen any of those movies. The film was actually shot in Southern California, most notably in Long Beach, using the Long Beach High Schools. Long Beach in the motherfucking house. To rep. An erection in one scene for the opening scene with Jason Biggs.

The crew cooked a sausage, stuck it on a pencil, and wrapped in an aluminum foil, and it was still warm when it was placed between Jason Biggs' legs. So there you go on that. Cool. If you're wondering how to fake a giant boner. It's a great story. We'll definitely bring that down to the ringer offices. The thing is that when I read about stuff like that, I really think about what we're not doing at the ringer. We're not getting stories like that.

It's true. We need to make more memories with fake erections. The apple pie was from Costco. Yeah. I saw that tidbit. The pale ale stiff for drinks is actually beer with egg whites in it. Movie magic. We know Chris Klein didn't know how to sing in this movie.

Do you think he knew how to play lacrosse? No. I say yes. Neither him or Sean William Scott had any idea. No, they sell it pretty well. They practiced the sport for three weeks before letting their body doubles handle the sports in. What is it

that Sean William Scott says after he scores in the game? He's like, I am a lord! He says something ridiculous.

In the sequence where you see all the boys working on the skills to get their women and somebody's and to get a

woman at somebody's bedroom. When you see all the boys working on their skills? I'm just reading from what I

copy paste it. Chris Klein is watching the woman's network and has a YM magazine on his lap

with Katie Holmes on the cover. And he would take Katie Holmes. For five years. They're engaged for two of them.

It was also the same year that I wrote a couple pieces for Waiya magazine. Did you really? Yeah. Can you remember any of the subjects? It was like 25 things your boyfriend doesn't realize, or you don't realize about your boyfriend and stuff like that.

Would you share just one of those things right now? I don't remember. I bet you have that in your archive somewhere. You don't have that. All copies have been burned as far as you know. 25 things your boyfriend doesn't want you to know. Is that what you said? It was like some stuff like that.

Was one of them, every boyfriend in America has accidentally drank a load in a beer at one time or another? the line say my name bitch ad lib by alice and hang again okay let's go what's my name say my name bitch Michelle Michelle nice job good job by here

they kept found it so amusing kept from the final cut let's go to apex mountain apex mountain where we decided this was the apex of somebody's career and unfortunately for this movie it was for a lot of the people involved yeah I would say I would say, yeah, go ahead.

This is one of the unique movies we've done is one of these podcasts where I would say... Yeah, sometimes we'll have nobody on Apex Mountain. All the people who came out better from this movie, this was not their Apex Mountain, except for maybe Casey Affleck. I would say Coolidge, no. Eugene Levy, no. Would you say best in show for them?

Or Schitt's Creek? For movies, yeah. I would say Best in Show. Eugene Levy, I would say, SCTV. Yeah. Sean William Scott, I feel like he peaked a little bit later probably. when he got a $15 million check to do the third movie or whatever. I would say that was his apex mountain.

Yeah, that makes sense. Did the rundown with The Rock. I think everybody else is in play as this might have been their apex. Certainly was for Tara Reid. Jason Biggs? I guess maybe Loser was... We haven't talked Biggs at all. I'm ready.

You guys ready? Yeah. I like Biggs. Biggs did a Woody Allen movie? He did. He's really online. He liked to tweet a lot or he did. I thought he was actually good in this movie.

I thought he was... Yeah, we're kind of... We're kind of shitting on everybody's performances, but he does the right kind of performance to be the center of a team comedy. Really the ones that were bad were Chris Klein, Minasovara in this movie, Minisovari and Thomas A and Nicholas.

I would say Territ is a bit of struggle. But she was never good at any point. But the thing is, like, these movies are all about how you position people, I think, because Chris Klein is literally the same actor in election in the same year. But that movie knew how to make his character. They leaned into his weaknesses

to make him seem like an effective character. His teamness is played up, yeah. Exactly. Was election after this? It's in the fall. So that was his apex mountain? Probably. Probably.

Because he's like he's red hat. He's Chris Klein. I guess. But when you watch election, you're like, oh, Chris Klein, he's good. You never think that he's bad, even though he's basically playing literally the same character.

Dumb jock in high school, who's like very earnest and is trying to do something but gets it wrong all the time. I asked my wife, Chris Klein, like what's going on and she's like super handsome. Yeah.

What's up with that one little piece of hair though that hangs down from his slick back look? Did you notice that? Producer Craig or Chris Klein? That was kind of like a post-90210 thing that was happening though, right? Where guys would have like a lock. Did you ever do that? No. Not your look.

Nope. The Joe Panolioni Award named after the best, that guy in the movie. His name is Pantiliano. Pantiliano. He's not like a piece of pasta. This is every single episode you do. I like to mispronounce it. Joe Pantio.

Joe Scungelly. Joe Pite. Joe Pantleotti. Yeah. The Joey Pants Award. That's why we called the Joey Pants word. For the best that guy in the movie. I hate to say it, but I feel like Eugene Levy is that guy for just about, not for us.

At this time or forever? I think Schitts Creek. I don't know if you watch Shits Creek. Chris, you just mentioned it. I think that has changed it for a lot of people. because he stars in that show with Catherine O'Hara and with his... Knotting, nodding.

Well, because it's on Netflix. It's on Netflix, too, so people have been, like, really getting into it. So he has become more of a figure in people's lives in the last five years. Who would your Joey Pants Winterby? It's Shermanator. Oh.

Oh, Shermanator. Yeah, you're right. I don't even know that guy's really... Good one. I think even, in some ways, Natasha Leon was kind of a that guy before Russian doll. Well, and before all her drug issues.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. This is a tough one. Chris Owen was in major pain. Can't hardly wait. She's all that. Can't hardly wait.

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Get a $250 credit for the next one. Just go to LinkedIn.com slash rewatchables. Terms and conditions apply. The Saul Rubenick, they knew a word for overacting. Unfortunately, there wasn't any overacting, was there? Yeah. Okay. I think the lacrosse coach.

Oh, yeah. So serious. Ostriker, get back here. Where are you going? That guy's trying really hard. I think you were getting somewhere though with Mina Savari. She has a couple of real overacting moments.

She's just deeply offended. Yeah, she's not great. Picking Nets. Do we think Finch was overacting? No, Finch was perfect in this movie. You guys are super in the Finch hive. I love Finch. Picking Nits, going to pick some Nits.

We picked a lot of them already. I'm just going to get into it. Sean's not going to be happy. Oh, boy. There's a premature ejaculation scene. There's really no evidence after. And then there's a second one, and again, no evidence. How much semen do you think could have been in this movie while it still gets from this?

So this is a plea for more semen. He's lying next to her after. I just think there's a result. I'll put it that way. The movie decides not to show the results. And I think there are results. All actions have results. I think they blew the semen budget on the IPA.

Literally blew it. Yeah. You blew it. Maybe that was the NC-7. So let's just go back. You're picking the knit that we don't see enough semen on the character's boxers. I think it's a much messier scene in real life. I see.

Yeah. Well, you know, everybody's different. Another nit pick. A positive video streaming wasn't that good in 1999. It wasn't good in 2009. Yeah. Ten years later, this scene is in realistic. I can attest.

That's a great point, SG. Thanks. That's really all I got, other than the other. stuff we mentioned. Those are the only niche you're going to pick in this movie? Do you have some?

I have some issues with Stiffler's house for the prom party where just you figure that high school is pretty big. There's probably 200 people there and just the guys get the rule of the roost

with the three bedrooms. Nobody's barging in. They're all sleeping. It's like nobody else was at the party. Yeah. That's a matter of much. I'm picking nits.

What do you think about Finch's plan to get all of the women in the high school interested in? Going fake news with everybody. Exactly. I liked it.

Fake news? But you didn't, there's no, not problematic at all. They don't ever show it really how it happens. Like, how does he get that stuff off the ground? Because like one second he's like...

Well, Jessica tells, tells the whole student body, right? Oh, does she? That's the story, is that he paid her $200. I see. To spread the word that he was well-end-end-doubt. Good in bed,

beat up Stifler, all this other stuff. Okay, I missed that. I must have been looking at my phone when that happened. It's a crucial plot point. Is it? Not really.

I think I got the movie. I was more curious about his, like, he's got, he's like, because at that point, he's like laying out a putting green, right? Isn't that right around when he's like putting on the, on the campus? And then he leaves to go poop somewhere else? Yeah. I don't know. I just was, his whole bit is just so bizarre to me.

I relate deeply. Best quote. Fellas, say goodbye to Chuck Sherman the boy. Say hello to Chuck Sherman the man. Enjoyed that. That was good. I get it. Oh, and the.

This one time at band camp, I stuck a flute in my pussy. Excuse me? What? Comes out of nowhere. It's a really good line. And then I also enjoyed... We've achieved so much in our careers. We're just going down in flames right now.

Dude, I've been watching was about American Pie. What are we going to do, the G-rated version? And then I love when Tara Reid's talking to, I think, Natasha Leon, about sex, maybe, or somebody else. And it leads to the friends saying to her, wait, you've never double-quick. your mouse. No wonder you're not psyched about sex. You tell me, you never even had one manually. I've never tried it.

You never double-clicked your mouse? That was good. Natasha was kind of amazing how she's like exactly who she is in Russian dolls. She has like the same vibe in this movie. That actually could have been a best of most 1999 moment in this movie. Double-clicking the mouse.

Yeah, because I feel like by 2001, nobody's saying that. Yeah, it's all track pads now. There's a really funny there's a really funny line you got to get the essence of Stifler right at the beginning of the movie when he's like I say why don't you guys locate your dicks

remove the shrink wrap and fucking use them Isn't it like also a moment where Stifler walks up to Natasha Leon and Tara Reid and they're talking and he's like what's up ladies and he turns and he goes bitches It's like no reason. He's also got like a full scene built around being insanely homophobic. Oh, God.

You guys are so gay. It's just like, there's like four Stifler scenes. That felt very night to net. Yeah, we get shot into space now, as they should. Could this be remade as a 10 episode Netflix show? I actually would be intrigued by that. I think that the closest you get to that in a way is American Vandal. That American Vandal has elements of...

It does. I think if you did it, you would have to set it in a certain year. to set it in 1986 or 1990. No, you wouldn't do it 2019 with like social media the way it is and like those kinds of things fueling everything.

Well, I forgot to put this in what stage is the worst, but I just don't think you probably couldn't find five friends who still had their virginity in 2019 would be my guess. I think that is not really considerable. Because you think kids are having sex much younger?

I do. Okay. Let's do that on a different podcast. I do. I do unfortunately. I think that, I see. I do think though that this could work

This is like one of the most vulnerable transparent rewatchables ever Probably in answerable questions Oh I did this already Has there ever been a pack of their movie that didn't backfire So here's the story The question is did this movie invent The Melfth the concept of the Melf

Apparently did not A 1995 Usenet post Initially used the acronym, predated in the movie by four years, but the film is largely credited as being the one that popularized it. I can't say I got my eyes on the Usenet Post. How did you find that Usenet Post? Or is this just like... You wrote it.

You composed it. Well, there's actually stories, if you researched this, about Did American Pie Create the Melf? It popularized it. I think the vast majority, including the three of us, had never heard that term until this movie. and then it became a thing. How often in your daily life are you using the word milf?

Back then, in 99? No, now. I'm afraid to use any words. That's why I enjoy the rewatchables podcast. We get to talk about stuff. Yeah, free speech rings. Just got your free speech. Yeah, which is, and then publicly broadcast.

Can't judge. Can't judge. Talking about stuff 20 years ago, he can't judge. Who won the movie? Affleck. Miltz around the world. Casey Affleck. You really love Affleck.

You love that he's at a sushi restaurant And it's like he's like An entourage walk on It's great when he's like you gotta try the spicy tuna roll It's like what he just ad libbed that? That was amazing and was that guy his friend Or was he just giving that guy unsolicited sushi advice? And he wasn't really that famous then

It wasn't like having Ben Affleck It was like here's the sixth guy in Goodwill Hunting Is in this movie for one shot And he's like check out the tome about sexual technique And the tongue tornado It's like getting the third Hemsworth brother Right now at a sushi restaurant It's the Westworld Hemsworth brother

40 seconds That would be pretty creepy if you had like If you remade American Pie And one of the Hemsworths played the Casey Affleck part So who won the movie? It's got to be the White's brothers, right? I mean these guys, they go on to do about a boy And they're doing golden compass movies

And American Dreams and they made a lot of different kinds of things I guess so They kind of succeeded largely out of this I mean like we said before I thought in some ways like Hannigan and Leon wind up having like the best and most interesting careers in some ways.

Leon definitely did not win this movie. I actually liked her performance a lot less than you guys did. It seemed like she was like 15 years older than everybody else in the movie. She seemed like she was like 32. Hot take from Bill. Yeah, sorry. It's just because Bill hates New Yorkers.

That's the problem. I actually think so in the moment short term, Sean William Scott wins a movie. Yeah, that's fair. I think long term, Eugene Levy. Levy? Levy or Levy? Levy?

Levy and the White's brothers. He comes out of this the best. I think Biggs became like an actual known human being. Like we knew his name coming out of the movie and he got to be the star of other movies. But what's funny is like six of the people in this movie you could have said that about. Do you think Ther Reid was a big star for two years? How long do you think before it like the, it wore off for Biggs where he was like now every time I go into a bar, someone's like, pie fucker.

It's a great question. get annoying after why? Like, are you like, yeah, it's me? Yeah, I fucked the pie. He seems to have a great sense of humor about himself and about that stuff, so I don't, I'm not sure. I left out accidentally when we did the thing about what's the most 1999 thing about this movie. After it came out, Tara Reid started dating Carson Daly when he was on TRL. Yeah.

That's very 1999. That's about his night. That crossover is about his 19-9-19-19-nment. The first family of American culture. It really was. So I would say, I would say Sean William Scott. short-term, Eugene Levy, long-term. I like that.

I'm sticking with the White's brothers. I like yours. You like mine? Yeah. All right. Anything else? We're deleting this podcast right now, right? Do you guys go out and get an IPA?

We're doing 14 more movies. This is definitely, I would say this is probably has aged the worst. This is the worst movie that we'll talk about. But it's also the most popular of the 15 we're going to talk about. It's really interesting. It's just not as good as the other ones we're going to talk about soon. Yeah. We including, we have Eyes Wide Shut coming late.

this year, which I don't even... I don't know how long that's going to be. I don't know how many people should be on it. Maybe we should just have a series of nude bodies around us while we were recording. People in masks? Should make producer Craig wear a mask? That's good idea. So we have a whole bunch of stuff coming up over the course of 2019 celebrating.

Yeah. 1999. If you want to check out more on the year in films, check out the ringer.com because we did a whole week recently about how great this year was. So that's exciting stuff as well. The rewatchables, 1999, is presented by Luminary. Thanks so much. Thanks, producer Craig.

We will see you next week. All right, that's it for the podcast. Craig Horlebeck produced as always. Thanks to Chris and Sean. And we will see you next week on the rewatchables. We might keep this team going. There's still a couple movies I want to do. We also have a couple holiday movies we're going to do December as well.

Stay tuned for that. See you next week.