The Rewatchables - ‘An Officer and a Gentleman’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey rewatch the 1982 classic ‘An Officer and a Gentleman’ because they’ve got nowhere else to go! They continue “Wait, This Movie Made HOW Much Money??” month by rewatching the romantic hit starring Richard Gere, Debra Winger, and Louis Gossitt Jr. and directed by Taylor Hackford. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I do the watch, and I'd love to take it somewhere else. But I got nowhere else to go! I'm Bill Simmons, officer and a gentleman, is next. That's part of, wait, how much did that movie make month on the rewatchables next? Zach Mayo had no business defying the odds, let alone beating them. You ready to quit now, Mayo. I've got to program yourself. You'll make it.

How did you slip into this program? You kick me out of here, then I didn't quit. You quit. My best got to get past me. Understand. Don't you understand? I love you. Richard Kear, Deborah Winger, an officer and a gentleman, rated R.

All right, Officer and a Gentleman, came out in 1982. Third Biggest Film of the Year. 7 million dollar budget made 190 million which is what now like 700 million sure that's the exact math an R-rated drama with a pretty raw sex scene and people screaming at each other and this movie's amazing

this is I just can't believe how good this movie is Would you have done this as a rewatchable even if you had come up with wait that made how much money? I was always on the list but I also had watch bits and pieces of it I had to watch it from beginning to end and they just don't make them like this anymore, Sean. So this movie was released the week that I was born. Yeah.

And so I don't have any, I don't have the context that you do. I wasn't sitting in a movie theater when all of America was throwing itself at this movie. What was it like? I went to the theater with my stepdad and my mom. Seemed like a great idea. And then all of a sudden, Deborah Winger's on top of Richard Gere, and I think I was like 12 or 13. And you could hear a pin drop in the theater. And it was super awkward.

Are you quietly fired up, though? Were you like, yes, this is happening? I just felt super awkward. It was like one of the most raw sex scenes I had seen. You know, we used to go to the movies a lot more back then because they made less movies. But it was just John. But the whole movie and then the ending and people knew about the song. Gear was pretty famous at that point.

But the movie was a phenomenon. And there's this whole military run CR that we were having here in the 80s, which private bend. These are all movies that were set in this kind of military. military training, military, trying to, you know, push the next generation, whatever it was. Private Benjamin 1980, huge hit. Up the Academy, Taps, which became one of the first, oh, look at all these guys. Stripes, Officer and a Gentleman, Lords of Discipline, that's 83, Top Guns 86, Heartbreak Ridge 86, full metal jackets, 87, Biloxi Blues, 88. Yeah.

It's nine years of, I just listed 11 movies and all of them. all of them did like okay and some of them were were monsters so this one is produced by don simpson officer and gentlemen's produced by don simpson and i he also produced top gun and this movie is top guns fucked up older brother it's basically the same movie it's about a guy with father issues who wants to be everything that his father was or wasn't who meets a girl when he's doing his training yeah i mean other than the fact that there's no fight at the end of it like of jet fight, it's like basically top gun, but it's closer to John Cassavetes that it is, the top gun that comes out a couple of years later.

It's like almost entirely a different era of Hollywood is found in this movie compared to what we get like just a couple of years later. I think it's so interesting. Definitely at 70s hangover movie. Or like a very sophisticated character study somehow became a global movie phenomenon. It's like there's, you can see a lot. of like post anti- because he's those are like anti-hero the gear character is a total 70s character i mean he's like not that likable no and kind of a shithead and has a lot of problems what so do you

did you cool tat was that a so that's a fake tat that he got for the film probably did you guys do any tat research i didn't do any tattoo research yeah i don't think gear has that one yeah you're right with the 70s hangover thing there was this five six year stretch yeah and it could be the deer hunter it could be all the right moves it could be breaking away where you just go into these towns with normal people and there's some sort of person that becomes a catalyst for some sort of chaos in the small town hell even a footloose is a good one yeah but they were making these movies vision quests they were making these movies all the time and i don't know what happened to them it's like we've lost our connection now it's like what was that movie the lady got nominated for an oscar for the lottery movie

Oh, two Leslie. Yeah. Two Leslie. Hollywood was cranking down to Leslie in the late 70s and early 80s, like all over the place. And some of them hit, some of them didn't. I'm still trying to get Chris to watch Inside Moves. That's another one. I heard about that.

But we're in a city. We're filming a, there's no green screen shit. We're not actually filming in Canada when we're supposed to be in Seattle. We're in the real city with the real people. And I think, like, to me, Paul and Lynette are the keys to this movie. Yeah. Those characters are awesome. They're really well written.

Lynette's evil? She's an evil person and you kind of feel bad for her? We're in unanswerable questions territory, I think, by raising that issue. Like what? Way to go, Paula! Way to go! Weird choice in the script at the end there. I think there was one other factor, though.

Like, it's not just, it's not a downer 70s movie. it's a true blue classic Hollywood romance It is a it is an it's not a data Except for the hanging suicide scene with about 20 minutes to go Chris actually has an important question that he mentioned to me That he said we should discuss so I want to I'm gonna save that for later Okay

Let's do gear No but you're right the love story part of it And the fact that like when you think about That ending The ending of this movie which is probably one of the most I don't know Is it one of the most famous ends of a love movie Like a love story movie or romance movie

It's in the running for best. It's up there. I mean, it's not like Casablanca, but it's like, it's a, it's an iconic ending of a film. And the pomp and circumstance of that and the idea of this guy coming

and literally sweeping you off your feet as this score plays is like, that's the leap out of like, it's not a Bob Raffelson movie or something. It's a 1980s movie, you know? Yeah. With the perfect number one hit scored to it.

But it's, in the lineage of like, Casablanca and the Stanley Donovan musicals and love story and the way we were. And like there's a, we were talking about this before. Like in the last 15 years, there's La La La Land. And aside from La Land, there has not really been like a phenomenon romance film. It's not something that is really very common. You think because everyone's dead inside?

Except for Craig and Liz, they're still happy. Love La La La Land. People love La Land. And these people have a huge affection for these. movies and Nicholas Sparks does these movies like that they still exist and like they don't exist anymore but they're not that common yeah like notebook would probably be the one before law right Gosling's just the only person people are interested in seeing have love in he's canuff yeah yeah I also like how flawed everybody is in this movie I don't I feel like we

don't do that enough either even gossip who's amazing is Foley but you know he'll cross some lines yeah some language yeah does them a lot of barriers just smirches Oklahoma a couple of times yeah there might be a a slate.com piece about some of Foley's tactics down the road. But the slate piece would be like, are we sure he's not, he's not properly? Maybe he's right. Yeah, he's effective or

offensive, question mark. Yeah. The answer may surprise you. I just miss movies like this where... Wasn't Emil Fully good for the military? It's like incredible first take segment. Yeah. Coming up next. I just like movies where lots of characters are flawed.

PTA is still trying to make them. It's not like people aren't trying to make these. I think that the anti-hero has become a prestige television thing more than a film thing. Just the fact that this movie was as popular as it was is both amazing, but then completely makes sense when you watch it. And you're like, this movie's awesome. No wonder everyone wants to see it. Richard Gear, two years after Officer and a gentleman, admitted that,

told Barbara Walters he did this movie strictly for the money. Did not think it was going to be that successful and it became his biggest hit for the next eight years. But there's this weird white guy race going on right now, CR. A white guy race, you say. White guy race.

There's this white lead actor. There's just a bunch of them. Right? We have a lot. There's a battle. Who's in the mix? People jacking. Well, Travolta turn this down. Yep.

And casting word is spoiler. He turned down Jigolo and he turns down. this, they become geared two of his three biggest parts. But Harrison Ford's in the mix. Jeff Bridges, Berenger, who we talked about in a big chill. William Hertz coming. Michael Douglas is coming. Tom Hanks is coming.

You say Michael Douglas is coming. Yeah. Well, they're literally coming. It's actually coming. Tom Hanks is coming and Kostner's coming. And we just don't have enough parts for all these guys. And gear goes from this movie to he does breathless, beyond the limit. the Cotton Club, King David,

power, no mercy, miles from home, and then ends up finally coming back with Internal Affairs. Pretty Woman. Really pretty woman. I think Internal Affairs was one for us. But he's awesome in this movie did not get nominated. So weird.

And this is, I think, his best movie. It's a star-making performance, if he wasn't already won. I mean, I finished. But it's really wild to watch this and realize, like, that's how they used to kind. Like, this was a role. the kind of role that used to make stars in Hollywood.

It's Stanley Kowalski, it's streetcar, it's HUD. It's like these, like, rebellious, rebel without a cause, young men who are like somewhat lovable, but really kind of actually erratic and violent and dangerous. And then by the end of the movie, have reached some sort of conclusion about themselves, even if that's like... Sounds like Thamesworth and Black Hat. Well, that's the thing is that's... We're talking about love stories, like these kinds of characters,

I think they've sanded down the edges on this kind of star. You didn't even blink at the black hat reference. You're like, absolutely. That's exactly right. He thought I was being, he thought I was being, he'd believe me. 100% sincere.

Yeah, this movie starts out with his dad is just lying between two other naked women. I think that they had some group sex the night before. Oh, I think that was his graduation president. You want to go there right now? This is the most important part of the movie to make up. But when you talk about like roughen the edge off. That's how this movie's five

minutes of him like hawking a loogie in the bathroom sink. How much? I didn't on the rewatch expect to get that much of Robert Loja's lower torso. That's all I'm going to say. Or the P-pole is down periscope. The P-Pole is open in the box. Yeah. H.C., which usually is our friend

with movies. It was not our friend with Robert Loja. Loja turned to Taylor Hackford and was like, should I pull my underwear down more? How much more? Like, it's bizarre. He's, everyone's just so naked and gear's just kind of hanging out and that's how we start the movie then we start doing

flashbacks but I think gear just owns this movie he's so good and the Travolta versus Gear thing it's like too good for casting what ifs like I just don't think the movies is good with Travolta I think they're such different actors yeah Travolta is not mysterious

he's also got like an inherent sweetness that I do not think gear has agree and it's a little cartoony like him do and the I got nowhere else to go seeing I just don't think he pulls it off. I agree. I agree. I believe it with gear.

Gear's also one of the great athletes of all time, as we find out in the obstacle course scenes. Could have broken the record. Yeah, basically Jim Thorpe. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I look at Gears' career, and he has these three movies

that he's just incredible in, right? Officer and gentlemen, America Gigolo, and pretty woman. I put Days of Heaven in there, too. I agree. Okay. But then just a bunch of stinkers,

and it just doesn't make sense. He's like one of those NFL coaches that go 15 and 1 and then 2 and 14. We could do an hour and a half on the internet research for this movie because much like what we talked about with Robin Hood, there's just like a lot of pretty candid responses to the production and they're sort of making in this film. And I think gear is a difficult guy to work with sometimes or has been historically. He is so perfectly mirrored with Debra Winger in terms of their career.

Like it's almost the exact same story. Debra Winger also has three or four parts that are iconic. And then she does the same thing that Gear does. They both have really good taste. They find really good filmmakers. And for whatever reason, they keep picking the movie that is not the successful movie for that director. Like in the 80s, you know, he worked with Sidney Lumet.

He worked with Francis Ford Coppola. Like, he, Gehr picked good parts, but they're movies that didn't work for whatever reason. Maybe sometimes he was part of the reason why they didn't work. But Debra Winger is the same thing. Like when we talk about her too, we'll talk about how she picked good movies by good filmmakers and they just didn't really hit. Does gear exist now?

Is there a guy who's like gear? Yeah, who's like gear is supposed to be 32 in this movie? There are guys who I think have some of his qualities, you know? Most of them are British probably. But like there are guys who have that pretty boy. Paul Meskell maybe a little bit. You think so? Yeah, physical actor.

He's such a fucking sweet Labrador though. Yeah, he's nice. I think he actually could stand to be a little bit more. Devious as a performer, like that would benefit him, but he's going to be in the new Gladiator movie, so, I don't know. Gare had, this is stuff Travolta didn't have, where it's like, we don't want to leave my girlfriend alone with this guy. He's just kind of a scumbag.

You can see it. Also feels like he could go to the dance and immediately get Debruehinger in two seconds. He could run the obstacle course. He could be the piece of shit who keeps all the stuff over the top. Yeah, it has like a side of this. But then also feels bad and give somebody the belt-winkles. bit of Steve McQueen in this movie.

Yeah, he's just always up to stuff. Good and bad. Mostly good, but not really. And I don't know how I pulled it off. And there's only a couple actors like this. Even in Pretty Woman, guy's kind of a scumbag, right? But he makes you like, he has a way of

making you like the scumbag. Internal Affairs is another one. I just think he's a really unique actor. He didn't get nominated for this movie. The people that did get, we've talked about this year before. Yeah, it's pretty stacked. Kingsley wins for Gandhi, Hoffman's and Tootsie, Jack Lemon and Missing, Paul Newman and the verdict of Peter O'Toole in my favorite year.

So Harrison Ford didn't get nominated this year. Robin Williams didn't get nominated for Garb. Geer didn't get nominated. Like, it's defensible, but this was probably his best movie to get nominated for. And it was a monster movie. It also didn't get nominated for Best Film, which I was surprised by it. Yeah, I mean, like, we did this Oscars when we talked about E.T. E.

Yeah. And the verdict. Right. I mean, but it did get some. It did get some. It had a win. It had another two nominations. So it's like it got recognized.

Let's talk, Winger. Her first three big movies are Urban Cowboy Officer and Her Gentleman in terms of adeermint. They are monsters. And then she does Mike's Murder, Legal Eagles, and Black Widow. And by 87 is just not an A-list actress anymore. She turned down the following roles. I think we've done this before, but I'm doing again.

She turned down Karen Houns' Roll and Raiders. She turned down Kathleen Turner's role in Romance in the Stone. James Brooks wrote the Holly Hunter role for her in broadcast news. She didn't want to do it. I think she might have been pregnant. Susan Sarandon's role in Bull Durham. Michelle Pfeiffer's role in the Faboos Baker Boys and Gina Davis's role in League of Their Own.

She was cast. She quit. And then she quit because they cast Madonna. Six monster movies. She was the most in-demand under 35 actress in Hollywood, even over Merrill Streep for like eight years. and the stories are great. It's a great half hour research.

Go read some features. She just gave zero fuck. She still, to this day, when they're like, it's like, Debrose Winger looks back on her career. They're like, what about League of Their Own? Regret that one. She's like, I was right.

I have been proven right by history that Madonna can't act, and I was right not to be in that movie. Yeah, or she'll say, one of the most beloved movies in the last 40 years. She'll say, they'll be like, what happened to you and Trubota

and Urban Cowboy? like did you guys have an affair? She was like, I don't know, it was 40 years ago. Do you remember everyone you've kissed? You're like, okay, next question. She's amazing. I think she's one of my favorite celebrities. The cool thing, too, is that like, she's not a celebrity, though.

She's not famous anymore. Nobody knows who she is anymore. I wonder if, like, Craig, before you saw this movie, if you saw Debra Winger at Blue Bottle, would you be like, hey, it's Debra Winger? No. Yeah. She's not famous. It's crazy.

And she was, like, three times more successful than Brie Larson. She was, like, step aside, Merrill Street, I have arrived. Yeah. The funny thing is, is that every, from most of her career, every five years, she winds up in a movie where it's like,

we've got to give her an Oscar nomination for this. Sheltering Sky. She keeps showing up. Rachel's getting married. She's unbelievable. There's something about her that I don't feel like anybody's replicated where

she seems like girl next door, a girl in the small town, doesn't ever even seem like she has to wear makeup. So if she has makeup in a scene, you're like, oh, she's wearing makeup in this scene. Yeah, when she's at the bar at the end of this movie, where they're listening to Dyer Straits. Yeah. That's fucking awesome.

Hot movie stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But she was just naturally beautiful and just seemed cool. Like, he would just go and, like, have cigarettes on the porch of there. And something about how she relates with other actors. In terms of Endearment, it's even better when she's married to that Jeff Daniels character and he's just a scumbag. And you're rooting for her. I don't know who was like her.

So you're saying she passes the E.D. Falco and Copeland test of you'd have cigarettes with her on a porch. Oh, yeah. I just think she has a very unique place in history. I always loved her. It's in exact contrast, though, to her real-life persona, which is, like, kind of brittle and, like, fuck it, I don't care. And in the films, she's so warm. And so, like, you just want to be close to her. Yeah.

And so it's always weird. It almost doesn't make sense when you read an interview with her, that that is what our personality is. Like the way she has some of the scenes with him where when he's like being mean to her, and she's like, I'm not trying to trap you. I love you. Like she's so honest with how she pulls that. I just think she's a great actress.

She's just like you're not the only one that's hurting here. Yeah. She's great. The Paula character, Paul the Pollack. Just incredible stuff. Great stuff there. And then Gossett, who this is like the Brady Anderson 50 home run season. Good actor.

but then in this thing this is one of the most iconic parts probably the 80s are you seeing gossip was juicing for this it might have been uh wins best supporting actor first black male ever to win

best supporting actor um and just absolutely crushes every scene and it's one of the I would say would you say Sean this is the most memorable guy in charge of like a troop

or would you go with full metal jacket it's complicated because it is inspired entirely and coached by Arleigh Irmy but then basically does the perfect version of it in full metal jacket five years later and you can hear some of his lines and never has a you know what I really respect you man

like at the end it's just mean which is how how drill sergeants actually I think okay I don't I don't get ahead of my hot take but I think it's like a little overrated at this point the gossip part or the you want to do your hot take now it's here well it's the easiest part in the movie it's the showiest part in the movie

he gets all the best lines and he gets to, he's so, it's like getting a great bond villain or something, you know what I mean? You think he's better in Toy Soldiers? I think he's a really good actor and he's an actor who like, you know, did a lot of like grindhouse movies in the 70s and was in a raised in the sun when he was a kid. Like, he's a really gifted and talented and actor, so it's not about him. I think my favorite gossip is Dix Town. Dickstown is a great movie. Like he's, he's great.

It's not really that he's not good. It's just like Debra Winger and Gear and David Keith, I think have like very complicated internal parts. It's a very emotional movie. part. That part's great. And he's really good in this movie. And it's not, and like Lewis Goss Jr. I think only the fourth black performer in history to win an Academy Award. So like it's overdue and all that stuff is all

true. But his part is him yelling. Yeah. And doing karate. I mean, it's unmistakable. The karate is pretty awesome. It is pretty good. He's like, I am also the martial arts instructor. Well, he beat Charles Durning and Best Little Horhouse in Texas. He beat Lithgow and World of Cardin of Garp.

It was really good. That is good. Yeah. Robert Preston and Invictor Victoria. but then the one, if we're going to nitpick, he beats James Mason in the verdict. The verdict has been disallowed, and furthermore, her testimony has been disallowed. He's so good in that movie. It's a tough one.

I don't know if anyone's ever been better than James Mason in that movie. I didn't have you doing Mason on my bingo card today. The disallowed? I think Gassett's great in this movie because for all the reasons you just said, my Zag would be this could have been a really bad part in the wrong hands.

Yeah. He's not cartoonish. And he's just really intense. Like, I never feel like he, I like he has a couple of those moments when, like when gear helps our girl Lisa. Yeah.

Get over the, I go over the top. And gossip just says that kind of, you can see he has a heart somewhere looking at that. Kind of not up to military standards, but sure, yeah. It's a good thing we're putting her in a plane. Gossett wrote a book in 2010 called An Actor and a Gentleman.

Revealed that Winger and Gear did not get along while shooting the movie and distanced themselves from each other whenever the camera stopped rolling. That became one of the belated tales of this movie was how they didn't get along. And then she, he won some award in Italy like two years ago. It sounds like they fought out a little bit. Yeah. It's just so hard to believe. They're so great together. I know.

They're just awesome together. It's about as good as you're going to get. When they see each other on the dance floor at the debutante ball or at the social, you're like, man, fucking ISO for these two. Yeah, seriously. Doesn't get on in the best picture. Gandhi wins. E.T.

Missing Tootsie, the verdict. Pretty nice. When is Gandhi, Gandhi is a part of that movie made how much? Yeah. Oh, Gandhi made a lot. I would bump missing if I had to do that over again. I'm good with the other four. but um and our guy Taylor

Hackford who you know this to me is like a training wheels for proof of life shout out to Taylor Hackford who's probably listening yeah well we've done this is like the third movie we've done but he's training wheels for our beloved proof of life even the Caruso having Caruso in this that's right so we've now done more Taylor Hackford movies than Stanley Kubrick movies on this podcast yeah that's true great cool Kubrick's a fucking psycho

we're reordering no that's too we're We've done two Kubrick movies. We've done three Taylor Hackford movies. What's the third one? Devil's Advocate. Roger Ebert. We got to just take a breath before you do the Roger Ebert part here. It's important.

You want to take this? No, I just think that we've, this is your category. But we've been going through quite a time with Raj. A lot of two and a halfs. A lot of him not liking what we're doing here. You have a one that toy soldiers. I'm still hurt by that. Is that about him or is that about you guys?

That's what you've got to ask yourselves. Raj goes on runs and then there's other times where, you know, we veer the other way with them. But this time. Four stars. A wonderful movie

precisely because it's so willing to do with matters of the heart. He loves story. Takes chances. Takes the time to know and develop its characters. By the time this movie's wonderful last scene comes along, we know exactly what's happening and why.

And it makes us very happy. Raj. There's romance in this movie and some unusually erotic sex. But what makes this film so special is that the sex and everything else is presented within the context of its characters finding out who they are.

I just love the idea of him turning to Siskel and fan that was unusually erotic. Well, you watched, didn't you watch the Siskel and Ebert, Sean? I did. They both were over the moon for this movie. I think that they both... They were kind of having the conversation in 1982 that we're having right now, which is a conversation that I have all the time

that people just have about movies all the time, which is they're constantly reaching back for what they remember movies to be when they were younger and wanting contemporary movies to be more like that. And they were like, God, they just don't make them like this anymore. Thank God they made a movie like an officer and a gentleman in 1982. These guys just got out of the 1970s, which was the greatest decade of American movies since the 40s.

Like, it was, they had an amazing time and they still were kind of wistful and mournful about a movie. Yeah, so it's interesting because this movie just, This movie just makes you feel like you are, have been brought back to a simpler time. Yeah, Ebert's like, we've only, this year, we've only had E.T. and Tootsie and the verdict. Yeah. Officer and gentlemen. Yeah, woe is us.

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what movie is this? Like, I was trying to figure, because it's the weirdest introduction to the film. It obviously explains the character, but it's really interesting. The psychology of like a guy who has a for some with his dad. Come on, don't go away, man. Spits a thing. Takes a piss, throws up.

How many forcums have you had with your dad? That's really what's going on. It's truly a forcum between a year. He says it's his graduation gift. I thought it was kind of like a like, I got you a woman. I have one for myself. I think that that's what it is, but they make it seem like Zach has just. just gotten out from being the mayo in the

the mayo family sandwich there. Yeah. I'm not saying he fucked his dad. I'm just saying that they were copulating simultaneously in the same room. This is where we really needed Mallory to just come in for five minutes. That's the most horrific thing I've ever.

That's why I think I blocked it out. It was like they had to have been of different rooms. And he just ended up, the father just took both the women. I didn't have that for most rewatchable scene. want to talk about all the choices there because I let's save it but you could start the movie with just him showing up in the motorcycle to boot camp right yeah you just and he's got the tattoo in the motorcycle there's a reason why the only reason why this scene exists or any of those flashbass exists to be like by the way this guy knows kung fu right well that's the thing we this guy learned how to do this

shit on the philippine islands yeah yeah i kind of like having it i also feel like there's it's good for the psychology character you could just have them get out of bed and go into the bathroom and the dad could come in and you could probably accomplish 99% of the same things without the three flashbacks. I think you need the flashbacks

not the scene with the dad. The flashbacks are what give you the psychology of the character. And also the mom and how that winds up coming back and sick. Daddy's shoes, he's been abandoned. He could get the flashbacks. He could be lying in bed

in the boot camp. Right. Yeah, that's true. And having a dream about that. But no, we need a loggia's torso. It is flawed. It's a weird way to start the movie. Most rewatchable, Foley's first scene

When he does the You is a female sheep Only two things come out of Oklahoma Where are you from, boy? Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, sir Ah Only two things come out of Oklahoma Steers

And queer Which one of you, boy? I don't see no horns You must be a queer No, sir, stop. Whispers, sweet Peter. You give me a hard arm. No, sir.

Sir! Which then we find out he applies to almost every state. Yeah, yeah. He just keeps Arizona as well. The, uh, only two things come out of Massachusetts. I like when he looks at, uh, Mayo's tattoo. Oh, admire the work. Whatever he says.

Uh, great first scene for him. The first obstacle course scene I wrote down. Huh. Where Mayo crushes the course and then goes hero ball. Just doesn't cheer for anybody else. And Seeger can't do it. Uh, I just like obstacle. course scenes. I don't know. It's a little thing about me.

If there's an obstacle course of the movie, I'm watching the scene. I don't think there are two men I know on earth who care more for Lisa Albacker than you guys. So when you watched her fail, how did you feel? I knew that she would, I knew it just gave her more room to grow. You know what I mean?

It was great. It gave her the strength to recover when Axel Foley wouldn't do anything with her in hotel room. She lay on bed, begging for it. I just wrote down for the next one. Mayo the Wop meets Paula the Polack. It's so funny that classic early 80s dialogue,

but they just have the electricity right away. So, what kind of name is Griffey? Polish. What kind of the name is Mayo? Italian. Mine was Irish. I think I got her ears.

The rest is all Wap. Where are you from, Mayo the Wap? Everywhere, nowhere. All of the The bar scene and the outside fight? Yeah. Well, make way for the war menders.

What did you call us? Called you a war monger. Did that what you are? Yeah, all right. With the guy who was one of the guys from season three of the White Shadow, Falahey. You guys don't remember him. This is a whole, Corolla always used to talk about. this.

This is this movie trope where the locals being mean to military people for some reason, which I'm not sure happens to real life. It was like, oh, look at you.

Baby killer. Yeah. Defend in the country, huh? Warmonger. Yeah. I think there's some credible post-Vietnam

stuff there that you could kind to sort of buy. I'm not sure if I would pick a fight with a guy who's in basic training, though. Like,

that seems like a dumb move. Because he's like you got your ice cream uniform on. He probably thinks he's just like a powder puff and he turns out to be Tony John.

What guy in the military is a powder puff? Like, they're in the military. See, I love the don't pick a fight with that guy. I don't want to fight you, man. And then the guy gets annihilated. Everyone else in the bars is like, oh, man, you asshole. Next scene, Caruso almost drowns. D.O.R.

Right in the door. Great CPR by Foley there. Just really gets in there. Resuscitated. Did it hurt you to see Caruso? Felt like that? No, because I knew Taylor Hackford was going to redeem him. Yeah.

Proof Life. Stop for life. Cruso is a baby in this movie. He's so young. This next part is my pick for top two rewatchable scene when he goes into the room and he hits the broom. Mail, I want your D-O-R. No, sir. You can kick me out of here, but I ain't quitting.

Get into your fatigues, male. At the end of this weekend. you quit he's like I want your DOR you're not getting it and then he tortures him the whole weekend basically

you will by the end of the weekend we have a we have a fire hose 100 pushups laps of the rifle over his head with the Pilates torture

the I ain't gonna quit I got nowhere else to go this is a great stretch of a movie I think it's I think it's the pick I do too I ain't gonna quit

I'm not gonna go back to have fores with my dad I remember I remember in 2013 at Grantland I was screaming at Chris for his D-O-R. What your D-O-R, Chris? You had nowhere else to go.

I did. I know. You made me move to Los Angeles. I had nowhere else to go. Paula goes to the bar to make Mayo jealous and Dyer Strait's Tunnel of Love Cup kicks in. That's my number two scene in this movie. That's like, I think, the best

dire straight song. Yeah. And pretty great early 80s song. And I don't know if you could have picked a better song. And it's like the perfect part of the song, too. It's a really good scene. And I like how wistful she is. Meanwhile, they're talking, like, they haven't seen each other in, like, a month and a half.

That's a nitpick for me. How long has it been? Two days? It's been, like, three days. He's like, I'll call him a couple days. And then they're like, hey, so did you graduate? It's like, yeah. Yeah.

What did you think of the guy she was with? He's a flight instructor. It seemed like a chode. seemed like Zach could take him. Probably some better guys at Tj's. Do you think he knew karate that guy? That would be incredible. Sean's favorite scene, the second obstacle course scene,

when Mayo has a chance to break the all-time record. Yeah. But Segar needs to help. It's just looking out for his guys. Yeah. That's what I believe in. This is James Harden on the Quippers, going from Hero Ball to Ultimate teammate.

Just setting up bones. This is Balmer's dream for Zach. Making sure bones gets his dad. Touches. Worley melts down at 25K feet. This movie does a really good job with the basic training stuff of the propelling people

into the water and then putting people at 25,000 feet and then you're putting yourself into the characters like... Reminds me the right stuff a lot. Yeah. Would I be able to do this?

And they're trying to do the patty cake and all that stuff a lot. And then Worley starts losing and you're like, oh, no, come on, man. Come on. I like a, I just like training sequences in movies. It's just a great format for a movie. This movie is essentially training sequences and sex scenes.

Yeah. It's pretty good. Pretty good. That sounds like a new net foot show. Training sequences and sex scenes. It's Bulgarian though. The title is either an officer and a gentleman training sequences and sex scenes or Forcams with my dad. Those were the three titles and they went the first one.

Can I greenlight something three times? Forces with my dad. Coming up next for May 24. That was actually a. a lost Mitch album Tuesdays with more a prequel He's taking ecstasy Mayo and Paula

trying to find Sid and go to Lynette's You're no different than I am Paula Oh yes I am Oh no you're not This is an incredible scene I wouldn't call it the most rewatchable It's an incredible scene Yeah

He drops the C word and it's one of the few times Over here in the movie You're like I can kind of see where he's coming from So you're, wait, we're skipping over the... Swallowing the ring? Yeah, yeah. That just scares me. It's really intense.

Yeah. And works. You're like, oh, boy, this guy's fucked up now. Is it bad that my first thought was like, oh, my God, how much did that cost? Right. So Lynette, when she does the... I would never do that? Would I, Paula?

And Paula, Paula, I was just like, yeah. Jeez. Tough one. How are those Mets doing? Yeah. That seems awesome. The Mariners have a game today? You guys hear of Mariner?

Dave Kingman, two for three yesterday. Then Mayo versus Fo in the Blimp Hanger. I mean, going there, a top boy. Your blood's as red as mine. Which thing could kick the balls to end it? It's a scene from a completely different movie, but I enjoyed it. It was basically a Jean-Claude Van Dam movie for four minutes, but it was fun. Yeah.

Also, just the idea that, like, like the army, like, is there any oversight of Foley whatsoever? Like, can you just do that? How many guys you died this term? Foley just won? Is that a job? Is that something that you can do in the military is just challenge your drill sergeant to a karate match?

Right. You kind of went off the rails. I like when Foley gives the assignments out. That could have lasted like three more minutes. Lieutenant Segar, Gunner, Sergeant. That scene is great. Yeah. That's Gus.

It's an Oscar sequence, not the yelling stuff. In gear? Yeah. I'll never forget you, sir. What does he tell him after he says that? Congratulations, Ensign Mayo. I won't ever forget you, Sergeant. I know.

Would you made this if I want to forget. Get out of here. Thank you, Sergeant. Get out of here. Get out of here. I was like, oh. Then the ending, the way to go, Paula. Pulling him out.

And they don't play the famous song that became number one. and was on for... Let's like, we're still friends, right? But that's a good luck at? Do I get a wedding and fight? Can I get a plus one? Drags made bachelor party? Oh, man.

She's got Sid's blood on her hands. Great ending. What do you have from most re-watchable scene? I think the challenging him over the long weekend, the DOR, is the best scene in the movie. You know what? It is. I'm going to go with TJ's bar. Oh, dire straight.

Two of them being like really, really good at people who were intimate and now are like, maybe we're not anymore. I don't. And not to be a pervert, but I'm not opposed to watching the sex scene again. It's unlike any sex scene you'll ever see in 2020. It's beautiful. It's like kind of seems real. It does?

Yeah. And Devin We're not a fan of it. Is that true? Yeah, we'll get to that. That's too bad. Okay. Well, they had to. It was going to be an X rating if they didn't change a couple of the angles.

They did get a couple closer in shots. Yeah. There was some hit movement that the sensor's like, this is an X. Do the censors make Digger people have sex? Do they know that? They were like, group stuff with your pops

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He's in Scarface the next year. He's dancing the piano with Big and with Hanks. He's doing great stuff. It's a really talented guy. What's age the best? What do you got, CR? You jump in. Two chicks smoking.

You're the ball like Mayo. Two chicks smoking, listening to Pat Benatar, and getting ready for the weekend. I love it. We used to really be an amazing country. Changing in the car? Yeah. Lisa Blount and Deborah Winger smoking and listening to Pat Benetton. Why do they make the Puget sound seem like the middle of Wyoming, though?

Like, this is not. Or like Pennsylvania. Is it like such a rural area? Yeah, but I think it's kind of like with the Vision Quest thing where it's not, it's like, it's not at, it's a little bit more of like a frontier town still. It has a little bit of like a reckless. Yeah, it's like a Navy town. Seattle was a Navy town for a long time. Okay.

What else do you have anything? I have Paula. I wrote down Paula and Lynette are incredible characters. Yeah. We haven't talked about a piece of one. Great character. Don't love the hairdo. I had that in what stage the worst?

Very 1982, though. Very 1982, but... She kind of looks like she's auditioning for a punk band a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Like she's rejected to replace Joan Jett and the Romantics or something. The place they have her living, like the side of the road shack but has like nice plants inside is like such a great touch. She's a great character.

And I don't, this was, I think, the highlight for her for acting. I know she's bounced around after this, but. She's in the mouth of madness, right? Yeah, she's been in a bunch of stuff. She was, um, she was in Great Balls of Fire. She was a needful thing. She's married to Ray McKinnon and won an Oscar for co-directing a short film. She is not.

How about that? Yeah. And I think she was on, what was that show that he created that you guys? rectify. Rectify. I think she was on that too. She's good actors. This specific part and look, I feel like we always have people, like, 20 years later this movie has made, Jamie Presley's the, she's this character.

The harlot, the distrustful harlot. Harlet, but it feels like that little background of, like, buys lottery tickets on the weekends. Yeah, yeah. Foresomes with her dad. My next one's aged the best. I just wrote Caruso with an exclamation point. Good to see him with the crew cut. Sure.

I want your deal. just as a life concept. That age the best? Yeah, just like DOR. Yeah. I don't think most human resources. Departments allow that anymore. Obstical course scenes we mentioned.

I like the whole Puget Debs when Gosset's warming about them. I don't know what Debs, I guess, Pugetton. Debuttones, yeah. But is that sarcastic? Yes. Yeah. You scuzzy college pukes better watch out. Water submerge machines.

Oh. Wait, what age of the best water submergence machines? So it was fascinating to watch people get thrown into that and have to unbuckle their seatbelt. What is what Sage the Best mean? Just like you don't get to see scenes like these in movies anymore. Okay. That would probably be a more accurate description of it. I think that there's, I would be curious to know what of the pilot training you think you could do.

Submergence. We have contact glances, so I just would have drowned when we went underwater. What do you do when you go swimming? I really would have enjoyed the obstacle course. I feel like back in the day, I could have been good at that. Yeah. The 25,000 feet might have fucked me up. I think that if you saw Foley and Mayo having a martial arts battle,

you would have had an incredible same game parlay for that. Oh, I would have, as we were walking over, I would have bet five people. I'd have been like, I got Foley minus 140? This thing ends, kick to the balls, either side wins. Yeah? Over under four and a half kicks, Foley? Have you ever attempted a roundhouse kick? Like a kick?

I'm sure in the height of a human person. Of karate kid, me and another kid were like, let's do that. Yeah. But I don't, I've never done it in earnest, like in a fight. Do you ever land a kick? I don't think so. It's the most violent act you can imagine. Yeah.

Like when someone is actually kicked in the head, like that's, that's, that's demonic. It's like 20 punches. I have for what's age the best. I like any time there's hair shaving scenes in movies when people start with the long hair and then like stripes has a great one. Full metal jacket. Always works.

We mentioned we're really swall in the ring. You mentioned Pat Benatar's treat me right. Just having Benatar just roots this movie right in 1982. That's exactly what they would be rocking out to. Yeah. Politically incorrect military running songs probably is aged the best and the worst. It's just funny that they did this in the 40 years ago.

Do you say the worst possible thing? Do they still train to like self-sung music? Yeah, I just completed basic training. So did you guys just saying call me maybe? Yeah, the whole time. It was a teenage dream, actually. Yeah. Yeah, the opening and closing credits great in this movie.

Yeah. Yeah. Really good. Are we underselling for what's age the best? Him coming back, literally sweeping her off her feet while the music is pumping and everybody in the factory. He's like, fuck yeah. Chearing. Clapping.

Yeah. I had the ending. I also like Grace of Risky as the mom. Kind of doing like a warm up for Twin Peaks, too. That's Laura Palmer's mom. Yeah, that's a good one. Where do you stand on the dad and dads and movies like this who just don't say anything and just stare at the stepdad? A little catatonic.

The catatonic kind of semi-intimiting character. It's like a recurring theme of the 70s and 80s. Yeah. I mean, my reading of that one, though, is because she's, his wife. is so hung up on her ex who was in that training program and so he's like anybody who is in that world he hates the kid cutty pursued a happiness word for best needle drop has to go to dire straits over joe cocker well they don't play joe cocker until the closing credits i don't know if that counts all right it's not it doesn't count as a needle drop i mean the dire straits moment this is a really

big amanda dauben's point which i always liked was that your movie shouldn't be able to be nominated for best song at the academy awards if it doesn't play in the movie. If you just use it as the end credit song, it's not, it shouldn't be eligible. I think that's a great, great point. What, uh, at close range does with the Madonna song where they turn the song into a bit

of the score. Yeah, I like that. They do that. Yeah, I like that. I just saw another movie that did that too. I can't remember what it was. I like that. I can't believe that. Benatar didn't win Kid Cuddy. Because I'm with you. No, just in general. Dyer Street clearly wins.

Yeah. But Benatar is just a a great runner-up. No shame in being second in this movie. We should label this pod top five dire straight songs plus an officer to jump. Force him with my dad. Big Cahuna Burger Award,

best use of food to drink. Mashed Potatoes of Paula's house. Paula's mom's chicken. Yeah. Zach said, good meal. Dennis Thieves, Benny Hahn Award, scene stealing location.

Probably the blimp hanger. Oh. Great location. Yeah. Yeah. Good. It almost feels a little kumat. bloodsporting.

It does. And why is there like a platform I don't know? He's the martial arts coach. He's like I But he's like

We put blimps in here But what you have to do is build me a ramp So that I can walk up to have fights. I wonder if fully slid that in At the end of the drill instructor meeting is like Just real quick before we break

Nobody's using the blimp hanger This weekend right? I can have blood sport in there Yeah? Okay, no good. See you guys Monday. Clean the blood off? Would you have for grade shot order a word, Chris?

I have the tracking shot of Zach carrying Paul out of the factor. I think it's pretty high. Yeah, freeze frame. Great freeze frame. Freeze frame maybe should be a category. What's the best freeze frame of all time? Oh, boy.

I don't know. Breakfast club? It's a good one. Oh, yeah. Way to go, Craig. Great call. The John Bender Freeze Frame Award for Best Freeze Frame. This is how the sausage gets made, folks.

This is how we do it. Butch's girlfriend Award for week link of the film. I honestly couldn't come up with a weak link for this movie. Every actor is good in the film. I liked every performance. I didn't get bored at any point in the movie. I feel I had the same thing for P-break.

I was like, I had no P-Brike-I-I didn't even have P-break down there. I suppose if you've seen this movie a few times, you don't have to watch every obstacle course run, but as we know from sitting with you, that's one of your favorite parts of the movie. I would watch Craig run an obstacle course right now. Do you watch Survivor? Do you focus on the challenges? Do you like the challenge? Yeah, I love the challenges.

It's more fun than watching people get mad at each other because somebody had some rice. I completely disagree. Where's the rice? There was more rice. I like the social aspect. Yeah. Survivor still cranking, man. Still kicking ass.

It's amazing. Woods age the worst. We mentioned the opening scene, what the right cut of it. I don't know what the right version of that is, but I don't know if they lean in the plane. Gossitz karate double bothers me on the blimp hanger. There's a couple clear that's not Lou Gossett moments in the fight. There's some half-ass internet research about why that is. Lynette's haircut we mentioned.

Don Simpson, Chris's hero. Chris said if I could do cocaine with anyone in the 80s, it would be Don Simpson. You'd probably have the best stuff. Yeah, it seems really dangerous. He did not like up where we belong. He said the song is no good. It isn't a hit. And wanted it to be cut from the film.

He wanted on the wings of love with Jeffrey Osborne. which is a solid song. But he was wrong and it became the number one song on Billboard. What's age the worst? Lynette dumping Sid, I know it's part of the movie, but it just hurts every time. It's just so brutal. It's got to be one of the most brutal breakups in any movie

where she goes from, oh, my God, we're going to get married, where are we going to be stationed? Then she's like, I'm not pregnant. I never wanted to get married in like three minutes. Would you still feel that way if he had not hanged himself nude in the shower? I know the scene itself makes me really Because if they broke up

And he was like Oh I like move back home And got my job at JCPenny's And I met another girl Would you feel that? Because it was like I don't know She broke up with him

Yeah I mean it's also an order of operations Things after saying She was yes to marriage with them Yeah It's pretty rough If you also like that guy If you're Sid

It's like you're a week out Like just become an officer And then worry about things Like you don't have to like There's clearly a lot more wrong With Sid than the movie Let's us know all the way up until that moment.

Well, he's got the brother who died. He's promised to his widow. But in a five-minute window, maybe like seven minutes in the movie, he thinks she might be pregnant, he starts talking about the responsibility he has to her. He does the test, has a panic attack, buys the ring,

proposes to her, gets dumped and kills himself in this, like, tiny little window of the movie. It's almost like there's a scene missing from somewhere. Maybe this is the weak link. You can kind of see in the dinner scene with Zach and Sid and Sid's parents

that there's obviously like they hate him like there's a tension he's not as good as his brother was or whatever that's true what's age or worse than the original script

Mayo's dad Byron for some reason he was named Byron visited his son during training and had a much bigger role would you wanted Lojia at the closing ceremony

would he have had a shirt on just shirtless Lojia hey you did it buddy my my what's age the worst is Byron Mayo's

much maligned podcast parent corner Now here's what you want to do when you got you, your son and two lovely ladies in a queen-sized bed You're gonna go head to toe

You gotta really cuddle I feel like I feel like Byron Mayo is a little bit on Wayne Jenkins's corner here like there's something versioning here I'm just trying to do loggia Oh my God we might replace

Wade Jenkins Do we have to add Byron Mayo to the Wayne Jenkins category? Yeah, but he only ever suggests forso. Head to toe, we get a little Johnson. Johnson's going in there. Everybody's feeling it. Loeb up. Who cares?

I'm glad we zeroed down on this because when I was watching the movie, I was like, why is no talking about the four-sox? Byron Mayo? Yeah. Any other what's age the worst for you guys? I don't think the margins on Zach's side business were very good. It seemed like he was like $0.20. to sell stuff for 10 maybe.

It's like he wanted to get caught. And then there's just like an amazing like only in 1982 moment where like Paul his teenage sister is openly flirting with Zach at dinner. Yeah. Yeah. And people aren't like, hey, knock that shit off. I'm not sure that the, um, trap the pilot strategy is like really a sound one for a lifestyle, like to build your entire social life and expectations around I'm going to get pregnant from a

pilot and then my life will be set? Right. That's kind of insane. Has that aged well? Does that make sense? That would probably, it would get criticized now about the movie. But they debated at least.

Women are reduced to... I'm not even trying to stay in like a politically correct way. Like, that's wrong. I mean, just like from a lifestyle perspective, if you're 20 year old woman living in Puget Sound working at the paper factory, you're like, my ticket out is to get pregnant from a guy who might hate me. That's insane. Yeah.

I don't know if there was a lot of strategizing in the old factory. I think it was more like, do you have an extra pack of a malls? I think the candle of like maybe I get to move to Hawaii is pretty sick, though. Can see that from Lynette. She's very fired up. That's her first thought. Is Honolulu? Yeah.

Is some moving to Hawaii? The Mallory Rubin Award. Did this movie need a better sex scene? Nope. The career? No. It can happen. No.

Yeah. I think you should have gotten Mallory for this one. This would have been a great Mallory pod. She's literally in the room next door, Bill. It's a terrible job by me. Was there a better title for this movie? Best quote, you're all alone in this world.

Once you got that down, nothing hurts anymore. Is that a life lesson or quote? Zach Mayo. Yeah. All right. Hottest take a word. What do you got, C.R?

I think that the more I watched this movie, I just, I kind of love Lynette. And I really don't mind where she's coming from. I think she's a straight shooter. She's got real CR energy. She's really, she's in the nervy blonde zone. Yeah. She's in the nervy blonde zone.

And when she's just like smoking, sitting in her sweater, and she's just like, look, I told it to him straight. What do you want? New class coming in. Yeah. You marrying Lynette would lead to you having a forsome with your future son with Lynette, I think. That's the chaos of that choice.

Spire and CRM? Yeah, that's like we'd have to do back to the future to stop me from doing that. What do you have for how to stick? I already did mine. Oh, yeah, you're in your bears. I'm really passionate about this one. Richard Gere, worst movie kisser ever.

Oh, I see, I... It's so interesting. I thought the opposite. I was like, people don't kiss like this in movies, and I was like, this guy wants to get after it. They were kissing. He, like, eats noses and upper lips and sides of faces. He's also a big, grabs the face before the kiss.

Yeah. He'd like grab her by the jaw line and it's just like, oh, does that not how you kiss? I always feel bad for the actress when I'm watching Richard Gear movies because it's like, do they put like A1 sauce on their face so he can like go to town like it's a filet mignon? What's he doing? A1 sauce. Rich just close your eyes and think of your dad. Casting what ifs.

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This had been kicking around for like five or six years. John Denver is Zach Mayo is the dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet. It's possible no one would have ever seen this film if that had happened. I don't even know what's the equivalent of John Dedver now. Michael Bubele. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Apparently, Jeff Bridges was Taylor Hacford's original choice for the lead role and turned it down because he was busy. Came back two years later. The what movie? Against all odds. Taylor Hacford is just like, I don't get out of bed unless I get a fucking number one hit song of my movie. And Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan Lachman. What's the number one hit song and The Devil's Advocate? The Devil's Advocate by Phil Collins.

Yeah. Travolta turned down the role. Gear beat out. Bridges. Well, not, I guess bridges turned down. Harry Hamlin and Christopher Reeve. Costner auditioned. The role of Paula bounced around.

Can I just say, like, in the spirit of casting, what if this would have been a big deal for Harry Hamlin. Oh, yeah. I mean, the difference between being a longtime TV star. To this is pretty huge. Paula. Sigourney Weaver had it. Didn't take.

Angelica Houston. Neither of those would have been right. And then Jennifer Jason Lee was in, and then she dropped out because she got fast time. She could have been good. Yeah. Not as good as Deborah Winger. They're kind of similar. There were a couple other people auditioned.

DeMorne, Meg Ryan, and Gina Davis. DeMorne way too hot. Yeah. Way too. DeMoney is a fun. Yeah, as Annette. Also in the CR zone, DeMorne. Apparently they went to Jack Nicholson for Foley

And he said no And then they really love Mandy Patankan And And they decided he was too ethnic To play a drill instructor What? Taylor Hackford said That's too Jewish to be in the military

That's what that is Well then they did research in Florida And they learned that basically Every top drill instructor was black So they're like oh we gotta get a black guy All of these decisions feel very Don Simpsony Yeah He's too ethnic, wait

Ruffel, Han, Rubin, and Partridge overacting a word. They knew, and they let it happen. Don't you call me, lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give me all you got! Give it all you got!

I treated you like a son. You fucking stab me in the heart. Fuck you. I got nowhere else to go. It's both overacting and iconic. But it's also like, that's the perfect one here. Yeah. I got nowhere else to go.

I got nowhere else to go. It's great, though. Spits flying out of his mouth. Yeah. So good. Maybe a little bit of Lynette. Like, way to go, Paul! Best that guy word.

I have one, but did you have any others you were excited about? Harold Sevestor is Perryman. Grace Abrisky, that guy, no? Grace Spisbury. Tony Plana. Tony Plana was my pick. Clear out, guys. Go spot.

the corner and on the right. Give me the ball. I saw me on the left here. Harold Sylvester. First of all, he bounced around on TV, was on $6 million man, what's happening, and the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew Mysteries. So already I kind of knew who he was.

He was D.C. D.C. D.C. and Fast Break. My favorite sports movie of all time. I think been canceled. That's so inappropriate. He's amazing in that movie. He's an inside moves. He plays a member of the Golden State Warrior. CR refuses to see it.

It's the ultimate CR movie. He's just trying to hurt me at this point every time I bring it up. It's a good film. I will watch this movie tonight. He's an officer and a gentleman and he's a vision quest. Mike drop.

Yeah. Is this your favorite actor at all time? I just love this guy. The weirder thing to me is that he didn't seem to be competing against anybody for the role of a 6'5 black guy for like 10 years. Forrest Whitaker Market Corrective.

And then Forrest Whitaker came in and started getting stuff like that. fast times and he and he was done. But I always, I think he's good in every movie. Like he's good in this,

you just like him. There's something likable about him. He's good in Vision Quest. He kind of goes on a couple dates with Linda Fiorentino's character. He's so likable in this that when he walks through the part of the floor that Mayo's been polishing,

you're like, yeah man, fuck Mayo, you should walk through this. Like, you know, he could have given you a belt buckle. In Fast Break,

he plays DC Dacey, who's like the best player in college but some sort of gambling scandal happens and he just disappears and he's hiding in New York City and Gabe Kaplan goes and gets him and they drive to Las Vegas amazing stuff.

Like nice game too, good basketball game. Who should compare him to? Like a Tobias Harris. Oh. Yeah. Long Island's own. That kind of thing. Yeah.

Love it. Next category is Dian Waiters. It's about as good as a waiter's categories we've had in a while. Loja locks it up four minutes in. Byron May. in a landslide. It's almost

Deon Waders Byron Mayo category. But there's some other good ones. Like Paul's dad, I love Bunny, the Surly factory worker. That's like doing the whole, yeah,

he's going to leave you. May they all crash and burn? I don't know if Seeger's in it too much, but I think our girl Lisa is really good. Who else would you have? I think Victor French, the stepfather, who's just eyeballing.

He gets one scene, and he leaves, a strong impression. And her mom, who you mentioned. Yeah, and Grace of Briski, she's really good.

I like her. But Loja. Loja gets it. Recasting couch. I wouldn't touch it. You could talk me into like different Lynettes, but I just think

that's such a good part. A lot of people would have crushed it. But other than that, I wouldn't touch it. Lynette, Sharon Stone. Interesting. A reconcilable differences

there is Sharon Stone. Just think about it. Just think about it. That's pretty great. I don't know, man. Lisa Blunt. No, I just think Sharon Stone as Lynette is

like they can't they can't keep that contained in a sound you know what about um Domorneva's a good one too for Lynette

anybody you would put in the David in the David Keith yeah Randy Quaid oh Hanks Judge Reinhold Hanks Boos and buddies pulling him out

ooh Hanks A little Oklahoma accent What if it was Dennis Quaid in the gear part he's another one who's in this whole mix with those white guy parts then as quaid easily could have been geared he could have done that

I had it's not a recasting couch but I think Foley 26 years later would have been an amazing Denzel part because he's a better actor than Lucasett as much as I love Lucaset but Denzel kind of would have been

a cross between training day but did Denzel ever do military because he did the siege yeah he did uh what's the The Ed Zick movie. A Crimson Tide. But I'm saying like mean scared and screaming guy.

Oh, Curred and Fire. Glory is kind of a military movie. Yeah. He never played a guy like this. But wait, wasn't he, wasn't he in like a training movie? What's like one of his early, early movies? Soldier Story. He's in a Soldier Story.

Yeah. He's been in five military movies. Look at that. He would have been goodness. Have a Saturday Research. There's a great, great lieutenant slash drill instructor type in, is it Adolf Caesar who plays him? Yep.

Soldier Story. that's an amazing part of that role i haven't seen that one i can't remember that's not even on i don't i think it's a great movie norman jewison awesome movie yeah that movie's not on so this film was based on the screenwriter douglas day stewart who had his own experiences as a naval aviation officer candidate but he was this tv writer for years and then decided to write about uh what happened i'm a candidate school it's interesting paula was a real character that he dated but ended up not marrying. Yeah.

So that's always going to help when you have that much of a insight. When I was watching the movie again and remembering how specific it is about this experience, I was like, this guy must have gone through this. Basically, yeah. It's so, the details are so specific. Like the bars and like, yeah. The whole lifestyle, the whole world that he created is really good. It's like when Chris writes his Grantland movie.

Oh, God. What will that be called? So realistic for an early 2010. Follinger Foursite. Yeah. He can flower That's good So the medals that Foley has

A Vietnam Service Medal A Republic of Vietnam campaign medal A Gallantry cross unit citation A Bronze Star A Purple Heart Presidential Unit Citation Combat Actionary He is like But you can look up all of them

For apparently on the internet It's cool that they don't stop to go through all of them No Hackford made Goss that stay in a condo 20 miles from the movie so that he didn't interact with anybody I like when directors do that I like that

you mentioned Arley Army our girl Lisa Elbacher she said she was in incredible shape and it actually made her mad she had to botch yeah she had to box the obstacle course she had to pretend to be out of shape she said she was in the best condition of anyone that rules

that's your girl I mean she's like 5'1 yeah I don't know you know we've also done more Lisa Albacher movies than Stanley Cooper movies. More than Billy Wilder, more than Cecil Bina Mill. I'm fine with it. Can we do the winger thing?

Will you want to do Gossett karate first? Sure. You can do Gossett karate first. Gear in 2013 said he had mastered karate. But Gassett struggled. And then during the filming, he accidentally kicked Gassett in the groin. Gosset didn't come back to the set for two days.

And he used to train karate master as a stand-in for a couple of things. probably like I kicked his ass too. I care. I've mastered karate. He puts, Foley puts Mayo's dollar in his right pocket and not his left pocket

at the end there which is everything's supposed to go in left pocket and he puts right pocket it was like a little fuck you. Okay. Yeah. The motel,

if you want to stay at the motel, it's called the Tides in. Where Sid dies? Yeah. Okay. No, the one where they, where the sex scene was. Well, it was all the same hotel.

Yeah. Ups and downs at that hotel. Wild ride. The blimp hanger is now a 1,200 seat performing arts center called the McCurdy Pavilion. Oh, yeah. It was originally called the Kumete.

He changed it. Gear's riding a 750 CCT, 140E, Triumph Bonneville. Incredible motorcycle. I do not care about motorcycles, but that bike is awesome. Gear did not like the ending of the film. Thought it was too corny.

And then they rehearsed it and the people in the factory started to get emotional, and they realized they should do it. Now gear's like, good move. Douglas Day Stewart, just reading his credits from 76 to 89, they include The Boy in the Plastic Bubble, The Blue Lagoon, an officer and a gentleman, Thief of Hearts, elite movie.

Listen to me. I don't know if I've ever heard of Thief of Hearts. Who's in it? Just relax, he's in it. Come on, Chris. Who's in Thief of Hearts? Our guy, Stephen Bauer. Okay.

He's a thief. I've told you this on other rewatchables. He's a thief with Caruso. Oh, okay. They break into somebody's house and they steal her diary and she's got all these things that she wrote about her dream guy and he becomes the dream guy

because he knows all the buttons to push and she doesn't realize she's with her burglar. It's good. Good script. Sean would agree on the death. Probably Douglas Day Stewart's directorial debut and more or less the end of his career. Well, he didn't listen to me.

Listen to me was the one The debate movie With Amanda Peterson And like Roy Shiders Is it a good cast Let me see who's in that movie It's a good cast

It's a Kirk Cameron Jamie Gertz Roy Shider Amanda Peterson Saw it in the theater Not a shame to admit The debate movies Never caught on

This poster It was the best time Of their lives And then When David Keyes Swallowed the engagement ring Apparently there was a string attached

So they could pull it back out What did you have For Winger? She negotiated her own contract without a agent And did not think to or have a nudity clause So that when she got like a rewrite of the script And the sex scene was much more explicit She was like, ah shit

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He really felt like he was A-plus list after this. I think so. This movie was massive. Is Days in Heaven like his basically first movie or what? It's his third movie, I think, but his first like starring part. Winger, it's terms of endearment. David Keith, it's this. Gossett, it's this.

Yeah. Military training type movies, I still think it's private Benjamin. It felt like that movie was a bigger movie. I think it's Full Metal Jacket. Yeah. Full Metal Jacket is a legendary movie. You think that's Apex Mountain for Training Movies? Yes, the first half of the movie is just training.

Yeah. Over Private Benjamin? Yeah. Yes. No one has seen Private Benjamin. Not at the age of 35. Not a single person in the world. No.

I'm looking at this up. You're going to Google. Has anyone under 35 watch Private Benjamin? I like Private Benjamin. It's pretty good. But Full Metal Jacket is a five-star classic. I'm looking at Domestic Box Office for 1980. Private Benjamin's sixth.

That means how much money? 69 million. Yeah. That was just domestic. So you're saying for film nerds, it's film Metal Jacket. No, why does it have to be like that? Full Metal Jacket is an iconic film. What do you think, Craig?

I mean, I've never heard of the other movie. Private Benjamin? No. Yeah, it's not a known movie to young people. It started this whole craze of military movies. Private Benjamin, then they ripped it off for seven years. There were military movies before Private Benjamin. I don't doubt it.

I'm just saying that full metal jacket is the apex mouth. I think you guys are right. I just wanted to talk it out. Okay. You wanted to have the phone call. How about Puget Sound? Absolutely. Let's do a live rewatchables of Private Benjamin at Harvard and show young people.

It was Goldie Hawn's last, like, awesome movie. The fun thing about that one is it got like three or four Oscar nominations. It was at that time. in it. Yeah, I know. The movie was really successful. Isn't it? Nancy Myers and Charles Shire, didn't they write it? Yeah, that movie's like a great movie. Who directed? She did it. Is it Herbert

Ross? Who directed? I need to support the patriarchy with your choice. That's incredible. Private Benjamin's worked by Howard Zeefe. Our top ten in 1980 was Star Wars 9 to 5, stir crazy, Kramer versus Kramer, any which way you can.

Private Benjamin, Coal Miner's daughter, the bandit to the blues brothers and ordinary people the shining was 12 caddyshack was 14th and friday the 13th was 15th raging bill down at 20th they really made movies back then they're still making them i swear uh apex mountain the uh anything else uh from internet research try the trium bonneville oh uh never seen a better motorcycle probably in a movie. I think that there are other apexes from motorcycles. Cool, cool motorcycles.

The wild ones. Yeah. I don't know. Easy rider. That's a good one. Pul fiction. Bronx Tale? Another 48 hours. Pickin Nits.

Worley taunting Foley from the boat when he's torturing. Yeah. Mayo. Seems like it was in a different movie. Really? You're doing that? Like, everybody's supposed to be terrified of Foley. He's talking shit to him. saying he's a queer.

Yeah. Like, I just, I didn't feel like that adds up. This is a pretty big no picture. The hotel clerk, Mayo's like, hey,

is Sid staying here and he's like, yeah, he's in room 14. He wasn't like, he's fucking on one, man. I just watch him swallow a ring.

If you're a hotel clerk, you're, you're seeing a lot of stuff. There's, there's more than a couple of dad orgies coming through. I see. The door hits at the motel.

He has facilitated father foursums. I just think that, like, in every film, is there ever a hotel clerk who's just like, boy, I'm really a super observant guy. He's like, oh, God, if I can just get through my day.

There should be, do you think there is hotel clerk client privilege? Like, like with lawyers? Like, they can't reveal any secrets. Yeah, like, this guy paid me a six bucks. I would say, definitely not. Yeah. It's like going to a shrink.

Yeah, yeah. What else say I have from picking up? It's really confusing how much time passes at the end of this movie. It's like, he goes to dinner at Paula's house. She tells him about her, real father. And then she's like,

so call me this weekend. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to definitely try, but I'm going to be busy. Then there's that whole, like, she freaks out. He doesn't pick up the phone,

but she's going to go find him. But her mom is like, don't go. And then it kind of like, a scene goes by. And then it seems like a month is gone by, but it may be just two days because he's like,

sorry I didn't call you this weekend, but she's already on to like. Even the first four weeks go by super fast because they say they're not allowed to leave for four weeks. And then all of a sudden they're a party. It's like, it's like grows out an inch in a month, remember? Because that's how they identify themselves to the girls.

Yeah. The final two-thirds of the school is the timing is confusing. You don't know where you are. It's obviously the end of their training. But it seems like fully, it seems like Zach and Paula haven't seen each other in weeks, but it's been days. And he's like, yeah, like, sorry we broke up. And she's just like, well, whatever.

Like, have a good one, you know. I would have liked maybe one more character that he's training with. I felt like we were one light. The short guy, Caruso's out, Harold Sylvester, Seeger, and that's it. It would have been cool if there was another alpha guy in the group that he has to dominate to, like, get everybody's friends up. Then you have top gun. Then you have an ice man. Yeah, we needed, this movie might have needed Iceman.

But I don't know. It's not the movie. Yeah, this is a romantic drama. It's not a movie about the military. Like, there's military stuff in it, but that's not, I don't think it's ultimately what it's about. Because at the end, the payoff, because we've already lost Caruso and we lost, what's a good, what's it, Whirley. Yeah. Yeah.

So they're doing the pins, and it's like, I only know three of these other people. Yeah, right. He's hugging people? I don't even know he's hugging. Are the classes in those officers training is actually that small? I mean, it is like 14 people. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they moved through them in three months, so maybe that's why the class size is smaller.

I had a, for picking Nets, did Zach ever get good at math, or did Sid do it all for him? And now Zach is supposed to be like a fighter pilot who doesn't know math. Good question. I think that's disturbing. And then the final scene,

honestly, workplace liability comes up here where Zach pretty much starts kissing Paula's neck while she's operating heavy machinery. That could have gone wrong. She could have lost a hand. And if she had, I would like to see if Zach would have stuck with her. Furthermore, everyone has abandoned their post and there's just absolute anarchy in the paper factory.

Everybody's like, somebody kissing? I have age questions with Zach because the cut off is 32 years old, I think, to be in basic training. But just in general, I always felt like people who did this were younger. And these people all seem like adults. And they're like in their late 20s,

early 30s for the most part. And Zach seems like he's like 35. And gear was 33 when this movie came out. I think they should have mentioned it at some point. You're basically right under the cutoff, Mayo. Age nitpick is, although maybe not, although I would hope not. Grace Zabriski was only like 15 years older than Waker. Lowe's just only 18 years older than gear.

That's probably why they were partying together. Yeah, that's right. Rosanna Arquette is Lynette. Oh, yeah. I love her. Yeah, I think she was pissed when this came up. Damn it. After hours was right around the corner.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins or Byron Mayo? I do wonder if this movie's better if Wayne Jenkins plays Sid. And he's like, God damn, Mayo! I didn't know I was training with Jet Lee. You roundhouse kicked that guy like he was taking your lunch money in Manila. You better not get Paul a pregnant. You're going to be living in Washington a long fucking time, big boy.

That was good. Tried to keep it concise. Was Jet Lee active in the film business in 1982? I don't think so. It could summon Chuck Norris. Yeah, sorry, my bad. I can't wait till you test drive Byron May on a future podcast. So good.

I'm going to save it for, like, Schindler's list or something. You had you backpocketed loggia. Like, you just always had Lodagh. loggia inside you. It's just, you gotta just say it like this. Tony. No, there's

plenty of room in this queen size bed. Bring a friend. I actually, I can't look at you because it's so disgusting because you are channeling loggia so beautifully. Oh my God, my fly's open. I didn't even notice.

Him peaking at the star is fucking disgusting. And he just fucking is like, give me a towel. And wipes off the puke, and then he's like, I'm all good. He's like three feet from the toilet. He's not even close. He's not even close to his puke. It's eerily close to lotion. Just want to ask her who gets it?

I'm going Winger. I think Gear. That's why that was sort of my take with the Gossip thing. It's like Gossus is great, but this is Gears movie. He holds this movie. So Winger got nominated. I forgot to mention this at the top. the uh they got nominations for best actress original screenplay film editing best original score

and best original song winger was going against c c c space second missing jessica lang and francis julie andrews and victoria which was a big movie because she went topless and everybody lost their minds i honestly they were like mary poppins took her shirt off now you sound like byron have you guys seen victim victoria mary poppins gets a kid out let's go I'm just telling you It was like one of the biggest stories of that year It's like Mary Poppins got naked And then Merrill Street won for Sophie's choice

That was gonna be a hard one to be Hard to take that from Merrill Yeah Stuff I I'm with you on Winger I think she's Could she have been best supporting actor Instead of uh

Or actress instead of actress I guess would be my question No she has to be best actress For Winger? Yeah You think supporting She's in 40% of the movie she's in a lot of this movie

I would argue she I never know what the rules are because fucking Hopkins won for 16 minutes you put yourself up for a certain category The movie's not called an officer and a gentleman and Paula the Polack you know we came up with so many great titles

probably in answerable questions my first one was did Zach and his dad have a foursome for his graduation president we covered certainly did what kind of athlete was Zach Mayo like

three sports sports in high school at Philippines High? I feel like we missed out on sending him to the Olympics here. I love when people are just awesome. And also, was he that good of an athlete or was everybody else terrible? That was one of the things is also like

it just seems like you can just sign up for officers training. And I don't know. That's confusing. He's like, I'm joining the Navy. I'm going, I want to fly jets. I'm going to like, so it seems like it's like any guy off the street can just sign up for this.

But yeah, he is. I feel like he was at least captain of the of the football team or something. Seemed like a wide receiver. All right, Sean. Was Lynette really pregnant? Yeah, this is the most important question in the movie. I say she thought she was, which I don't think is the conventional wisdom. But her reaction, when she breaks up with him, reveals that it doesn't matter because she is still a really callous person.

It starts with them in the hotel room. he says, she got your period yet. Well, it starts with them on the boat, and she's talking to Paula about, like, would you ever purposely get pregnant to keep one of these guys? Yeah. But he asks her, like, why haven't you gotten your period yet? So that's established.

So she definitely was late. Yep. And then I don't know after that. I mean, she's like, it's not fair that these guys come here, use us for fun, and then leave. Yeah, and there's like an arc of how it goes. And with three weeks left, they pull back. And maybe you get the impression that Lynette's been, like, this is, this is like the third time she's, she's had, like, a pilot boyfriend for a couple months and then they bounce.

Yeah. But it's strange because she makes it sound like in the hotel room, like, she's really late. Yeah. And then, I don't know. But I love that scene. And I love when she's, like, gear drops the C word. And when she tries to get Winger to get her back. And when she's walking out, she's like, God help.

you know and she's like you would have done the same thing i forgot to mention this you're no different you're no different when he said the c word in the movie i'd never heard it before i didn't know what it was it's like one of those hey mom is that a bad one what does that mean yeah what it was like hey that word he said it's funny in in the on the i mdb famous quotes that scene is uh transcribed as you little tramp and you're like because this is a movie that was on basic like like broadcast tv all the time so like that sex scene is edited out like I feel like this was on ABC, the ABC movie of the week, like eight times when I was a kid. And the edited version was very well known.

Best double feature choice. Sounds like you guys are thinking full metal jacket. I was thinking Top Gun. And the funny thing is to look this, look at this in conjunction with Top Gun. Kind of speaks to Quentin Tarantino's monologue about Top Gun being about... Oh, and Sleep With Me? Yeah, and Sleep With Me because Top Gun ends in like the romance of that movie is Iceman and Maverick. And in this, it's Paula.

I think you could do a Lugasa Jr. Iron Eagle double feature. Oh, yeah. Get up in the air. Yeah. That'd be a good one. Andy and Red Zawatina Award.

What happened the next day? How many months did Paula and... And they're going to Texas, right? Yeah. You stick with her? I think he fucks it up. I don't think that like a small military town in Texas is what Paula had in mind.

The only reason this movie really works for me is because I buy them. Yeah. So I think they stuck it out. I think they're together to this day. You think they're exactly. just worked through all the dad stuff. Yeah.

He's a cool guy now. Well, I don't know about that. I mean, you think he was like, so the thing with me is, I need to have foursomes with my dad. Are he still in? Does he introduce Paula to his dad? Is it cool if my dad sleeps with us tonight?

What piece of memorability would you want from this movie? It's clearly the motorcycle. Oh. It's just outstanding. So after being mocked by you for always picking the car, yeah. I grabbed the Foley's Fire Eaters sweatshirt that they wear. on the obstacle course.

That's a good one. Coach Finstock will wear Best Life Lesson. This is one I grabbed from when Sid and Zach are towards the end of the movie in the mess hall. Sit adjust, prey attack when they sit down to their trays.

Nick Nurse is staying there with the Sixers tonight. I have love lifts you up where you belong. Oh, that's great, though. Is that something you believe? No, I just thought it was a good life lesson. How about make a little room Dad. Scooch over.

You hit on something here. I promise this is the only podcast hitting Byron Mayo today. Out of the 3 million podcasts. That's right. You don't think this is on... The only Daddy Gang gets this. I'm Alex Cooper and this is Robert Mosia.

So you play Byron Mayo. Is Locha still around? I don't think he is. But if he was... He was like 62 for... If he was... He was. He was. He passed in 2015. Let me tell you something, Alex.

Yeah. Who won the movie? I'm going to say gear. I'm going to go Winger. I think it's gear. Craig? What'd you think? I watched it with Liz, and we loved it. We really enjoyed it. It's so sweet and satisfying.

And you mentioned La La Land in The Notebook. Both those movies kind of end on a somber note. Like, maybe that's the difference. is like, this movie just ends on an awesome high note. And yeah, by the end of the movie, you care about like eight people. Yeah. It's impressive. I mean, the female girl in the Navy with them, like, you care about her, you care about Keith David.

I mean, Lynette, you have feelings for. So they just like, Lugasse that you care about. So I thought that was great. Did you know that Sid was going to kill himself? No. You didn't see that one coming? No. But I even thought that was, like, handled in a way that was still kind of,

of like delicate and emotional. And I just kept waiting for the shoe to drop in this movie, and it never does. There's the one scene where gear kind of blows up. He's drinking. I kind of thought maybe something violent was going to happen. It really doesn't. He never shows that again. So before we started recording, Chris looked me in the eyes, man to man, and he said,

hey, I have to ask you a question. I don't want to talk about this on the podcast, but I'm going to bring it up here because I think it's appropriate. And the question was, why is Sid nude when he hanged himself? Oh, that would have been a good answer. Because he only had his uniform and you don't die in your uniform, but he was wearing khakis in a blue shirt. He had just proposed. He was wearing his proposal outfit.

Just wondering. So what happened there? He took a shower and then he was like, you know what? I don't feel clean. Are you going with a did Sid kill himself? No, no. I was just, it's just a, it's a very vivid image. And I was just like.

That would be an incredible twist if fully murdered Sid and then framed him. Yeah. Yeah, that would be great. It's a good cue. I was thinking it was like an auto. asphyxiation. You don't think they were doing that in 82? Well, I think that they were.

I think Byron Mayo probably invented it. He's going to get the belt a little tight, workshop at this new thing. Why did he need to swallow the ring, the actor? Why couldn't he have just kept it in his mouth and swallowed water? Yeah, that is a place where you need to do little movie magic there.

You couldn't just keep that in the mouth, cut away? He had to swallow a real ring? The other in answerable question is David Keith or Keith David. Oh, which is like, who you get? Who you got? It's Keith David.

Sorry, Keith David. I love Keith David. Also, I've never seen Deborah Winger in a movie and I'm all the way fucking in. Oh, you got to watch Urban Cowboy. She's actually even hotter in Urban Cowboy. Yeah, it's on, it's on Max. It's on, this movie's on Max and so is Urban Cowboy, and Urban Cowboys elite.

Do you think we would ever do terms of endearment? Yeah. It's a good movie. We could do Sad Month. Winger Month? Sad month? Sad months. That's good.

clickbait. Maybe I'll workshop From the executive producer of, wait, that made how much money? Sad money. Wait, sorry, one more question. Why is it that now we are so sex positive and everybody is, but there's no sex in movies now? Yeah.

But back then it was so much more risque and yet there was sex all the time. Ask Dr. Kinsey over here. Why is that? Is it because actors were forced to do it back then by producers and now they have more power now? I mean, that is what happened in this movie. It's a big part of it.

Yeah. I think that that, I think that there is, an acceptance that sex in our society is better, but that we don't have to depict it to titillate. That's the issue. I don't agree with that. But should we be normalizing it

and showing it is not sensational that it is a part of everyday life? Isn't that a part of like pro-sex positivity? I think we should get more white guys in here to talk about this. This is the real white guy. I have the answer. I think sex scenes were more... Which one of us can get?

Yeah. Sex scenes were more impactful in the 70s and 80s because there was way less access to the beauty. You couldn't get it anywhere? Yeah. That's true. That's definitely a factor. There was like, I mean, Playboy magazine

I think that this is actually, to be completely candid, one of the few-ish sex scenes that actually is character-based. Yeah. And like these two people who have, like, found each other. That's the Ebert point, yeah. I think that's totally right. Like, you believe that them having that moment is critical to their relationship and that the aftermath of it and, like, his attempt to reject her because he has a fear of abandoning.

And her being like, what the fuck. And her having that feeling. Like, that solidifies that they should be together. and then we hope for the rest of the movie that they will get together and stay together. People were super horny in the 70s and 80s. I mean, there was a porn movie. They are still horny.

Well, but they have better outlets for it now. People used to go see porn movies in the theater. Would you say the cranking is better now? Cranked out of it's like in rare form. But no, people would go to porn movies in the theater for like five years. That was the thing. They would just go like, I'm going to go see Deep Throat tonight with two buddies. It was like what we talk about with Toy Soldiers with the communal porn.

Some people would even go with their dads. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Craig Horbeck for producing. Thanks to Byron Mayo. Yeah. Thanks, Chris. You're welcome, Bill.