The Rewatchables - ‘Apollo 13’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Rob Mahoney

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

If they could get a washing machine to fly, Bill, Amanda, and Rob could record a pod about it. We head to Houston to rewatch Ron Howard’s ‘Apollo 13,’ starring Tom Hanks, Bill Paxton, and Kevin Bacon. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocamp, and Matt Pevic LIONSGATE’S MUTINY, STARRING JASON STATHAM, ONLY IN THEATERS AUGUST 21 Put ChatGPT to work on your most ambitious ideas and projects. Get started at https://ChatGPT.com by selecting Work mode. Available on Plus and Pro plans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And she's proud to be an American. Remember we used to just solve shit? Yeah. People on the moon. We used to dream. We used to look up there. Like someday we used to come together. It's people.

Yeah. We didn't give up. Failure was not an option. Failure was not an option. Yeah. Just solved shit. Mm-hmm. Just went up, brought our guys back.

Everyone cheered in the control room. The end. Why do you love this movie? For that. To me, this is. peak 90s Hollywood, peak studio, big budget movie. And it is, to your point, when we talk about they don't make them like they used to, I mean, America for sure, but also movies like this. Big budget, based on a true story, you solve something as a team with movie stars and practical

effects and zero gravity. And you feel better about yourself and the world. And not in a cheesy way because, you know, it is, as Tom Hanks says at the end, the successful failure. So it's just a perfect concoction. I also, 95 was clueless, Apollo 13, and Angley's Sense and Sensibility, which is, of course, next week on the rewatchables. But for me, those were huge movies. And kind of when I logged on as a movie watcher, most people of my generation was 94 in Pulp Fiction.

For me, it was 95 and Apollo 13. And so this sets the template. Like, this is what all movies should be. Tom Hanks carrying a movie on his back. It's also when I logged on as a movie watcher. This was, I think, the first grown-up movie I was allowed to watch. And some of it was, as a kid growing up in Texas, space humongous deal. I had space toys.

I went to space camp. Oh, my God. I wanted to go to space camp. It was a blast. So bad. Do you remember Disney Adventures? Oh, yeah. So the advertised in Disney Adventures like Crazy.

and I was never allowed to go. But this movie just fed into it big time. Can I say it's not too late? You know, you could be the adult in space camp. Do they have an adult division? I can assure you they do. Should we have done that for the ringer 10-year anniversary? Space camp, everybody?

Did you get to do the zero gravity machine where they spin upside down? Well, actually, yes, we did that. Okay. But no vomit comment. No vomit. Yeah, this is a great point, though. Texas and space, it's like the official home team for space. Absolutely.

People don't realize that. I was going to kids' birthday parties where the whole theme was just like, space. It was just like it was weirdly, even for the 90s, considering how late in the game all this stuff was, a genuine sensation. And so this brought me to adult movies for the first time. This and that thing you do are also the first times I ever saw Tom Hanks on screen. Oh my God.

Hold my hand for that thing you do. I'm not saying anything in front of you, but there is an anniversary coming up later this year. Are you that thing you doer? Are you kidding? Are you kidding? You guys don't have a holding hands. And this is a moment of union between me and Rob, because you know the deal on the big picture is that he comes onto the big picture and takes all my stuff.

He drafts all of my movies, and so normally we're opposed. He's a foil. Yes, but now, together, we love Apollo 13, and we love that thing to do. In America. Tom Hanks. Yeah. See, we love those movies, too. We're just allowed to be on the same side here.

It's a structure. It's the system that's against us. We're not opposed. Yeah. It's as a teamwork. I saw Apollo 13 when I was in my mid-20s, my most cynical. Okay. Right?

So I was more in like that kicking and screen. I just want to like smoke cigarettes and think everybody, yeah, think everybody's like wrong. And I saw this. I was like, ah, it's a little schmaltzy. Yeah, all right. And then over the years, it was on all the time, I'm like, oh, this is the carbon dioxide part. All right. And you just kind of get sucked in.

I find myself lucky more and more, but especially the last five, six years. It's just a go-to, safe one. Yes. Right? You just kind of plunge in. friends. It's like, oh, Bill Paxson, oh, Gary Seney doesn't get to go. Hey, there's Ed Harris. He's going to smoke another dart. Right. And now they've got to solve this problem. It is a procedural. So you can dip in and out. And it did play on cable all of the time. I had the VHS.

But you could... Well, because it would be the three hour, it could go from eight to 11. Because it's like two hours, 20, but then 40 minutes of commercials, it's like perfect. And so you would log on for the, oh, okay, they got to fix the carbon, you know, dioxide. monitors or oh, they got to do the burn and keep the earth in the window and you can just watch these various hurdles pop up. Or when they're doing the little TV show

that nobody's watching because none of the network's just handing it up. But as they're hamming it up, you're like, ah, this is going to flip in a second. These guys have no idea. Yeah. Bacon's going to switch that flip. Well, I mean, with the problem solving stuff, though, like not only did Apollo 13

13 kind of symbolize the mid-90s Hollywood in general, but I think it changed space movies forever from this like isn't it wonderful and amazing and awesome to be in space kind of like fantastical journeys into space to every minute is like a fight for survival. You can see the straight like we don't get Project

Tale Mary without this movie. Like we don't get that book. We don't get the Martian. We don't get interstellar. To me that type of storytelling kind of starts from a movie making perspective right here. And we have... I had the premiere magazine found it. Thanks. But this was like, you mentioned 95. The infrastructure, the mechanism of like Apollo 13's coming and Ron Howard's going to direct and Tom Hanks is in it.

You were aware of this stuff well before it came out. And Hanks was like the most important person who could have been in this. And there's, I'll step on one cast and wind up now, which you guys probably know, but they offered it to Kostner first because Kostner was, they knew they were doing this like at the end of 93. Costner is the biggest star in the world. Hank's always wanted to do an astronaut movie. So his agent's like, you should give it to Hanks. So Hanks is locked in. And then Hanks has the Philadelphia

of Forst Gump combo. And now it's like, we've won the lottery of Hanks. Hank's, season tickets, Hanks now. It's like whatever he's in next, people are going. And he's, I can't imagine this movie with Kevin Costner. This is not a Kevin Kastner movie. Like, he's way too glib for it. Like, the energy would be so strange.

He's getting horny at the party early. It's also after no way out, so you can't trust him. The Champagne with Kathleen Quinlan. Like, now I have to watch him, like, get it on a little bit there. Yeah, I don't, he wouldn't be, he'd be in the Apollo 13 for two hours with guys. I don't know. He'd be looking around. And it's also so essential to the Hank's lore as the, like, as the history nerd guy, you know?

Because then after this, you get Band of Brothers and you get Savan Private Ryan and you get the, and he's like really into astronauts. Yeah. And really into space is what they say in all the coverage of this time. But then it just turns out he's just really. really, really into 1941 to 1970, I guess. But not in a weird way. But not, no, in a cool celebratory way. That's the thing.

Well, he's trying to basically be Jimmy Stewart for like two generations of people. Kind of worked. And it worked. To me, it worked. It's good that Sean's not here for this one. Why? Because in Cruz versus Hanks, there's always, you're always fighting for Hanks. And I'm fighting with you.

And Sean... I love Cruz, too, though. I love Cruz, too, but I just think there's sometimes... Sean just shades it way towards. Yes, exactly. Do you feel that way, Craig? Do you think Sean shades it too far to Cruz? To Cruz?

I feel like he's anti-Hanks a little bit. I do think he's a way a thing. Yeah. And I'm happy he's not here. This is Tom Hanks' 11th rewatchables. He has now moved up there. Cruz is first at 18. Puccino 14, De Niro 13.

Denzel and still own 12. Hank's 11. Okay. Moved out of a two-way tie with Matt Damon. Oh. So long Matt. Okay. How do we not have a graph with every ringer staffer,

plotted Hanks versus Cruz. Like how far you are leaning on the spectrum one to the other. It just feels like free content for us. You have to pick a side. That's hard, though. If I actually had to pick. Yeah. I don't know if I could do it.

You guys all have to pick. No, I won't. This is America. This is a movie about America. And they have to pick whether to go to the moon or go home, but they don't have to pick between Hanks and Cruz. Tom Cruise could not have played gym level, I don't think. No.

I just think it would have been a weird use of Tom Cruise. No. Whereas Hanks, this was perfect for him. but I wouldn't have wanted to see Hanks in Eyes Wide Shut. Correct. And I would not have wanted to see him in the firm. Eyes Wide Shut, Hanks would be really something to behold. Actually, shooting into America's dad, he's also an Eyes Wide Shut.

I kind of need that. So, Hanks goes, League of Their Own, Sleeps in Seattle, Philadelphia, Forrest Gump, Paul 13 Toy Story in the same year. He's just ripping him off. Yeah. Ridiculous. This is the biggest heater. We've talked about it before in the Rewatchewals. This is the biggest heater anybody's had in the last 35.

plus years. Yeah. Undefeated. Roger Ebert, who we're going to get to later, but he said when we're talking about the America thing, Apollo 13 never really states its theme, except perhaps in one sentence of narrations at the end, but the whole film is suffused with it.

Almost last time you heard that word. Suffused. The space program was a really extraordinary thing, something to be proud of, and those who went into space were not just heroes, which is a cliche, but brave and resourceful. Which somehow we don't feel that way anymore. Well, we don't really go into space like this anymore.

And nobody cares if we go or not. And I was thinking about like the six. Artemis II just happened. That felt like a moment. Was it actually a moment? Yeah. My kids were super excited. Yeah?

Yeah. Oh, that's good. And yeah. And they could say Artemis 2 and they thought that they were going to see it land in San Diego from our house. I watched it. It was like an appointment watching. I heard that we were going around the dark side of the moon, that we were going to lose connection with them for an hour.

I was into it. And listen, though, let me tell you something. At the last minute, they had some heat shield concerns. I swear to gun. I always have heat shield concerns. Who doesn't? It's 4,000 degrees. Not to step on what age is the worst, but heat shields, apparently, we have not figured this out.

I read so many articles about other, like, engineers trying to get in front of their version of the Apollo 13. Like, they, all of the journalists essentially tracked down the people who built this heat shield, the Artemis 2 Heat Shield to allow them to distance themselves from various and more scientists who were like we didn't agree on this. They were fine.

They made it. But heat shields, still an issue. Yeah, it's, I don't know, when I was growing up, we had had all this stuff and we had kind of achieved it.

Yeah. And it was already felt like this whole decade where it was like tumultuous for all these great things happen and now the 70s, now all of a sudden great things aren't happening.

Right. Right. And then you see a movie like this that comes out, literally 24th. years afterwards. And there's this underlying theme in the whole movie of like, and they don't say it, which I think the more I've watched this movie, it's the coolest thing about the movie.

They don't hit you over the head with anything. There's not one moment where somebody's like telling you what the movie's about, no character, but it's all underlying of like, back then you just kind of had a dream and that's what you wanted to do. And it's about like this guy, all he wanted to do was walk on the moon. He didn't get to do it. And he presided over a successful failure. And that was, and he kind of knows in the moment, like,

This is what I'm going to be remembered for, being able to be pulled back out of space and not dying. And that's kind of where I am. I think the closest we get to someone saying it out loud is Jim Lovell at the beginning. And I think it's in his book of the like, it wasn't a miracle that we went to the moon we just decided to. And like that kind of ambition that you're speaking to, I think is kind of undergirding the whole movie. But then it's like what happens when an ambition leads you to take a faulty oxygen tank into space? Like what are the repercussions of just deciding to do something like that? And then also how crazy was that in the 60s with the fucking technology we had that we were able to even do this.

Yeah. That gets more amazing by the year. Like, think about the TVs they're watching in this. And just the stuff, the radios, the things are so primitive. I think about when they're trying to find the extra power that they need to reboot the command module. And they're in search of four amps. You know, and they compare it to a vacuum, what would run a vacuum cleaner or something so small. and so inconsequential.

And that's the technology that they're dealing with. And they're floating around in this tiny tin can, just trying to find a vacuum cleaner's worth of juice. And they're constantly doing that, too. They're like, this is what we're in a vacuum cleaner. And we need enough energy for a coffee pot. It's like, you've got to take a toaster through a car wash. It's like, how do we make all this stuff feel grounded and real in a way where, yeah,

we don't feel hit over the head. It's just like, oh, I get exactly what the struggle is. Because many astronauts are coming on screen, holding bottles of beer and cups and, like, mocking it off. for us. Yeah, there's a lot of people together and you know they're all smart. And they're just on the move all the time trying to figure out solutions. And there's like, I think two different times in the movie where they all kind of freeze because they know this is bad.

And it gets quiet for like three seconds. Right. You know, and Ron Howard directed. And Ron Howard, you know, if he was an athlete, we'd be like, great career. Definitely a Hall of Famer. But like there's not like a ton of Ron Howard fans. We'd be like, who's your favorite director? My favorite director is Ron Howard.

So what's the cop? I don't know. Demar de Rosen? Who is he? He's kind of one step out. Yeah. Sorry, you mean to steal it. No, it's like a, I don't know, like a Philip Rivers or somebody that made the playoffs every year.

Wholesome family man? I was going to say he's in with a lot of kids, right? Yeah. But they thought they were going to win the Oscar for this and they didn't. They lost to Braveheart. In my opinion. There's this great story about Brian Grazer, like, with the speech and his thing, standing up and then it's Braveheart.

I watched that on YouTube. They didn't show him, but he said... And then they did an oral history last year, and someone said that Jim Lovell said to him, it's okay, I didn't get to go to the moon. Right. Which is very charming, but also really puts it in perspective, however many years later, he's still thinking about it. Everyone thought that year, though, that was like...

It was... It won the PGAs. One of the first times I remember the framework of the Oscars tying into the movies coming out where it's like, oh, this could win. And I don't remember really... I know they always talked about it, but just for people, like me in Boston, like doing nothing. Having the sense of what an Oscar movie was.

Right. You know? And this felt like, oh, they have Hanks of all these dudes. Ed Harris steals all his scenes. Like, he's going to win. And then it only end up winning two Oscars. Yeah. I don't know.

Forrest Gump, meanwhile. But I do feel like that Forrest Gump the year before, and you have both Hanks and Gary Sinese, and that was such an Oscar heavyweight. And also about a similar period of history told in a slightly different way. but revisiting a boomer generation. Yeah.

I'm pushing that to later. Okay. The successful failure. Yeah. The lessons from this, just like, it didn't work. Let's do it again. I'm going to go back in and Seneese. Both Seney and Hanks are like, all right, well, it's just like the process, which you talked about, like a procedural.

This is like the ultimate procedural. And all of these guys just trusting like they're. expertise and there's a calmness to everybody. Apparently in real life, it's even more calm. And that was like the one time they deviated from what real life was like, like astronauts would never yell at each other. People in the control would never freak out. Like even the worst disasters we've had,

everybody's pretty even keel because you have to be. But I just like watching that. That's the same reason with the pit. I think that's one of the reasons the pit works because it's complete chaos and you're just watching these people problem solve constantly. And it's one of those things that when you talk to people who make movies and TV shows. It's like one of the hardest things to stage is cross-talk.

Anytime there's many characters interjecting, cutting each other off like I just did to Amanda, unfortunately. But like, all the control room scenes, I've no idea how you mock that out without like intense preparation and planning to make it happen. And I read that Howard told all the control room guys, like the more you

know, the actors, the more you know about your stuff and the more specificity and like material you can give me, the more likely it is that you make the final cut of the movies. So I don't think That means they were improv. I like that he did that. Yeah.

I do too. But, you know, they do, they speak in specifics. And you think about all of these guys being like, no, no, no, I got one more thing and throwing out some jargon. And it still is also legible. Yes. Plus, keeping, like, basically obeying a lot of the transcript. Yeah.

And not freelancing with the, because really trying, this movie tried so hard to be authentic, which was another thing that was relatively new for the 90s. And now it's like everybody, anyone who made a movie like this would now. in 2006 would be fanatical about, I've got to get this, I've got to do this. But back then it was a little, you'd just take liberties, who was going to say? We didn't have the internet.

But this movie was really fanatical, and he sent those guys to camp, to learn, you know, he sent them mounds of transcripts to read and wanted them to listen to how the control room people talk to each other. And it's impressive. It was an impressive achievement. Yeah.

Not to mention, like, the CGI stuff's pretty early. It's pretty good. Yeah. The rocket, launches like really solid. It's really solid. Yeah. And then they, the most famous thing was the zero gravity stuff that they did, which we'll talk about later. Our guy, Steve Spielberg, gave him the key suggestion. Yeah. Just getting one of those zero G planes fly around. That'll do it. That'll do it.

Ron Howard. Won my heart with night shift, which we've done on the rewatchables. It's incredible that night shift was before Apollo 13. Way before. I guess you're working chronologically through Oh, you mean on rewatchables? Yes, yeah. But this was, I was like basically,

I was basically the age for night shift that you were for Apollo 33. Okay, so I get it, yeah. Also, night shift was a huge win. Craig came in with one of the biggest smiles in his face I've ever seen. I was just like, we just don't make them like these anymore. We don't, we really don't.

A pimp in a, in a, what was he? A funeral home? Funeral home. Yeah, some morgue thing, yeah. All right, night shift splash. Good start. Anx. Cacoon.

Big movie. Gung Ho, did well. Has an age great. Willow. There are people who are into it. Willow. Are they in the room with us right now? They're not in the room with us today.

Parenthood, we've done on rewatchables. Good one. A little flawed, but really fun. Atypical. Set up TV series. Backdraft, same thing. A lot of people. Sure.

Far and away, bad. Quite bad. Fun, though. Enjoy it. The accent work is... Are you aware far away? No. In like year 17 of the rewatchables, we might have to do it.

You should make Sean come on for that. Make him defend that cruise. He did. The Irish accent and bare-knuckle boxes. When we did the Cruz Hall of Fame, I do think that Sean drafted it and tried to defend the portrayal of Ireland and the Irish accent. Sean saw that movie once. I think Sean sometimes pads his stats.

I think Far and Away was a one-timer. Sean. It's like, yeah, Ireland, bare-knuckle boxing. Sure, yeah. Nobody's queuing that up twice. I went to a blind Tom Cruise movie marathon, five movies back-to-back all day. And you didn't know what they were? Didn't know what they were. In a theater? In a theater.

You watched five in a row? That sounds back-to-back. That sounds amazing. Movie three was far in a way. It was like right when you're starting to get punchy, they throw in the Irish accents. Okay. It really played in that setting. But do you remember the order of the five?

I think Days of Thunder was first. No, that third. Color of Money first. I would have started with Far and Away as like an appetizer. Yeah. Collateral second, Days of Thunder last. I'm linking on what the fourth movie was. Wow, putting Far and Away third is just aggressive.

Were you doing like yoga in between the movies? How are you staying loose? It's just my natural state. Honestly, this sounds like a great day. Now, I really need to know what movie four was. I got to peg it down. Probably the firm or few good men is crammed in there. I feel like there were no obvious ones.

It was cocktail. Oh, my God. How are you not? there. Because they gave us customized cocktail shakers as a little party favor for this movie. It was incredible. So he far and away in the paper is before Apollo. Yeah. Are you a paper

guy? Sierra and I have discussed it a lot. It's not good. I want to like it. I really wanted to like it. I like everything about it except the movie itself, you know? Do you get flipping around amnesia where you're like, the paper? Maybe I need

one more chance. And it's like, oh yeah, no, this is. It just doesn't. It just never good. And it's really dated. Can we just say the theme of a lot of this, which is I wanted it to work is kind of the Ron Howard story, 80% of the time? Until Apollo 13. He kept taking these big swings at lots of people

and finally hit with this. It's weird because I think my single favorite Ron Howard movie is Rush. Rush is pretty good. It was pretty good. I really thought that was such a well-done, awesome, well-acted, everything. But that and this and Night Shift are probably my favorite movie. What are your three? I don't know that there are three, to be honest with you.

He's not one of my guys, which makes this feel aberrational, but he was born to direct exactly this movie. What do you think? Parenthood, Apollo 13, and Rush, probably. I mean, I did also like Rush and the Chris Hemsworth performance, but this is on its own pedestal. This is singular. Beautiful Mind?

That was a movie I, like, weirdly watched a ton of hours. It's really good. You only want to watch it once. Yeah. It might be in the three by default, but I don't love it. It's very, like, sincere old, like early aughts kind of movie. Yeah.

I actually really like Frost Nixon. I thought that was good. Oh, yeah. That would be probably my number five. Oh, okay. I like Frost Nixon. That's okay. Kevin Bacon?

Yes. Always, yes. Is Kevin Bacon a Hall of Famer? Of course he is. Tremors alone. How dare you? Is he a Hall of Famer? He's not a Hall of Fame.

So like how Michael Cooper's a Hall of Famer? Why do men say this? Why do men not respect Kevin Bacon? I don't think he's a Hall of Fame. Okay. This is all this is all this is all of Fame. also an issue. I like Kevin Bacon. I'm just provoking conversations. It sounds like you don't.

River Wild. I have a bunch of Apollo 13. Animal House Diner, footloose, flatliners, JFK, Few Good Men, River Wild, Apollo 13, Sleepers, Mr. River, Frostnakes, and Crazy Stupid Love. Sure sounds like that. And I didn't mention 70 other movies. Yeah. I think he's in, but I don't think he gets in on the first ballot.

And I think people are upset and they're like, he didn't get in. Oh my God, he didn't get 75% of the vote. And then the next ballot he gets like 77 and he gets in. I think that actually sounds right. I think he's deserving, but maybe it's not obvious to everybody. What's the single best Kevin Bacon performance? Because I don't think it's this. Is it the River Wild?

He's pretty good in the River Wild. He's really good. Every watched it a while ago. Merrill crushes in that. Is it not actually footloose? I think it's actually footloose. Very good in that. Like the physical performance is a part of performance.

I really honestly think it's a few good men. Captain Jack Ross. I think Smiling Jack Ross is, he just is every moment he's great in it. I also, it's a terrible movie, but one of the rom-coms, what was the one he made with Aniston? Picture Perfect. No, he's like the cad.

I like when he's a cad. He's a good cad. He's like the bad guy that you don't want our rom-com heroin to fall in love with and then she ends up picking somebody else. I think it was picture perfect, but I was like when he's a dick.

I don't feel like he's been a dick enough. I mean, he's been a dick, he's been a pedophile. He's been lots of things in many movies. The range is what I'm saying. Yeah. In this one, he's a 60s bachelor, which is one of my favorites. It's usually like scenes like that where there's some, it's the opening scene, some goofy 60s house and him flirting with somebody who has some crazy hairdo and being like, here's a beer.

And it's like, oh, this guy, okay. And then he's pictured in the shower with another woman, you know? And they don't really comment on it that much. You don't know. It could be the same woman. We don't see her. Actually, we do see her later. It is definitely a different woman.

It's a different woman. Very beautiful. Good for him. New woman in every port. High approval rating in general for Kevin Bacon. Then Bill Paxton, who I think has close to 100%. Yes. Yeah.

And this is the Apollo Twister Titanic threesome for Bill Paxton, vaulting him to. Perfect. Tremendous. Tremendous. Calminging with him having to listen to the old lady. Tell me more about the necklace. Everyone's favorite part of Titans.

Some of the worst scenes ever filmed for a classic movie. And then what happened? So you dated this guy for nine months and you still talk about him 60 years later, but you had a whole family with this other guy? Nine months. It was like three days. Oh, yeah. No, it was, yeah, two days.

Yeah, two days. Nine hours. Nine hours. Well, yeah. Very short. Would Zach and your children take that personally if like on your deathbed, you're like, yeah, this guy in my early 20s in New York, and that was it, you just talked about him the whole day.

Because I would be furious if that was my wife. Y'all have clearly never been painted like a French girl before. It's a life-changing experience. I honestly hope they'd be mad that I got rid of the necklace, you know? I would hope that they... See, you're too smart. You'd keep the necklace. Yeah, of course.

You'd take care of future generations. Bill Paxton, everybody loves him. The closest here to weird science, Bill Paxton, because he's got the crew cut and kind of the goofy, whatever. Doing math. But then more importantly, we have the overqualified sidekicks, Ed Harris and Garrisonese. Garrisonese coming off Forrest Gump, Lieutenant Dan, gets to be reunited with Hanks. And then Ed Harris, who's just like, I'm stealing every moment I'm in this movie.

You're going to remember me. He's unreal. Is there a better guy at being in a control room? No. Than Ed Harris. Between this and Truman Show, like, that's as good as it gets. I mean, it's an all-time performance. It did make you think, like, if Ed Harris was an NFL head coach,

just on the sideline with the headset, but knew nothing that was going on, but they just would cut to him and he looked like Ed Harris. I'd feel like we were going on 12 and 5. Yeah, can we replace Ed Harris just for Mike McCarthy? Mike McCarthy can still call the plays, but I just want to see Ed Harris doing it. Ed Harris is just like smoking cigarettes and just looking out in the field.

You feel like you're at least in the second round. Sinise has the better part, though. It's a great part. It's a great character. And Harris is just making nothing out of basically just them cutting him and him being intense. But Seneas is like doing some stuff here. And it's like the most likable Seneas, I think. Because deep down I always feel like Seneas is the ransom guy.

Yeah. Just like the dark side or like Lieutenant Dan after he loses his legs where he's like on a bender. Well, to your point about how the movie doesn't actually have anyone say the themes and what it's about, a lot of the acting is just people reacting and sitting there silently. Like, they've gotten really bad news, which many of these characters do throughout the course of this movie. But that scene when it's, when Hanks, when Jim Lovell tells him that he's not getting. It was my call. Yeah, it was my call.

Most of that scene is them just sitting in chairs like this staring at each other. And you feel everything. It is great acting, but it is just people look at each other being like, okay. It must have been a hard decision. It's great acting. Yeah. It's like the split second pause. Yeah.

Must have been a hard decision and just kind of stares him down and you're like, oh. It's so restraint, but like for that part, you don't need it to do a lot. Like the perfectionist who got benched and is trying to be a good sport and feels guilty because he wasn't on the flight, but then gets to try to save his friends and also feels guilty for feeling relieved that he's not on it. It's in there a couple other times, too. There's so much there. He's like, I wish you could see it. And he's like, I bet you do.

And it's like, yeah. He's still a little pissed. And then your favorite of this movie, Kathleen Quinlan. If they have a problem with that, they can take it up with my husband. He'll be home on Friday. Listen, she gilds the lily from time to time. That's the one. That's the one.

Everything else I'm going to see okay. But also I have it memorized. Yes. She, she, that talk about a nothing part. Yeah. Which she turns into, I often, every time I watch. She's great. She's really good.

She's really good in this. Every time I'm washing my hands, I think about the ring going down the drain and like the panic of losing a ring. And I think she's really good with the grandmother and, you know, who's who I believe is Mrs. Howard. Ron Howard's mom. Yeah. No, she doesn't let it go too big too often. This is a classic terrible actress part that she makes a good part. Yes.

And has really good reactions, especially when the end, when they don't know if they've survived the three minutes. And she's just like watching TV, it's like you really think like her husband's potentially. Mom, you're squeezing me. She's like, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. And then when he makes it, like, she's really, really good. I've always liked her. I always thought she should have had a better career.

The scene with her and Hanks the night before the launch when she's not going to come to the launch and she comes. You know, they have great chemistry across the road. It's good. Their chemistry is adorable. She has to spend a lot of this movie, to your point, like listening to radios and watching TVs. Everything she and hangs her in together is awesome. I just wish we got a version of a movie

where they were on screen more together sometimes. Not nearly enough smoking from her, though. I just feel like in real life that lady was pounding doors. Yeah, but they are, you know, all the astronauts are former military. Right. So I guess in 1970, I don't know what that means. But everyone's a little conservative.

It's a little straight-laced. They send the kid to military school. They do. Do you think they gave her the Oscar nomination partly because she had to have that hairdo the entire movie? It's real tough. I mean... What? Can you explain what happened in that two-year span?

I don't know. No, I wasn't there. And you were not, you know, sentient. So I don't know what anyone was thinking. It's the all-time. I don't know what you guys were thinking haircut. It's like a beehive. And it's, I just don't get it.

And also... You think men at the time were like, that looks great. I think we admired the engineering. You know? No, I don't think so. Because it reminds me of a scene in the crown. It reminds me of like Queen Elizabeth's haircut, you know? And it's something that you would get done to your hair.

And then I guess it is efficient because it doesn't get touched for several weeks, you know? Is that what it is? Yeah, you know, in the shower, she's wearing the shower cap and she has all the pins and everything. And that's because you don't wash or restat. You get your hair set. That's what they call it. That's what my grandmother called it. and then you don't go to the salon or touch it for another week or two.

But, yeah, I don't think that people, women were doing it to appeal to the opposite sex. Really brutal, because the 70s, everybody figured it out. Everyone looks great in the 70s. Yeah. I really wanted to do 60s week at The Ringer. Okay. Where we just all had to dress characters in the 60s for podcasts. But Jeff Chow told me it was too expensive.

Okay. Also probably illegal. I wouldn't recommend it. I'm immediately like, who am I going to be? Why would I be? You would have to dress like Kathleen Quineland in Apollo 13 for an entire week. First of all, that's the 70s. It's 1970.

Oh, true. Yeah, so I get a pass on that. I think, I don't want the bad hair. I would come off great in this. You think so? Yeah, I mean, the hair is already here. Let's be real. Tall, strapping guy.

Yeah. Yeah. Screenplay. William Broils Jr. and Al Reiner. There was a book they got to work on called Lost Moon from Jim Lovell, Jeffrey Kluger. and they wrote it with Kostner in mind with that lead part. Assuming Kostner would be in it. They looked out. Yes.

And the rest is history. I read that book when I was 12 years old. No documentary footage. They read on the way to Space Camp, I'm saying. So we, no documentary footage. They filmed everything. Yeah. Howard, like, painstakingly recreated every,

even like how they walked up, you know, walked upstairs and shit. He studied everything. Really no special effects. Nine Oscar nominations. for film editing and sound. So here's best picture. Braveheart wins.

Opal 13. Babe, the postman. El Pasino. El Pasino and Sense and Sensibility were a five. Yes. I don't know. Who wins in the 31 years later Re-askers?

My heart is torn into. And this one, this is my own personal cruise and Hanks, but it's Hank's and Emma Thompson. Oh, they were you say Hanks and Mel Gibson. I was like, wow, this is crazy. No, no, no. The New Gibson person. Hankson Emma Thompson.

Yeah, I think that sense and sensibility is wonderful, but this should have one. This is the most 90s, like, historic. There's a lot of braveheart lovers out there. It's one of the most requested rewatchables. We still haven't done it. I mean, the speech isn't, you know, memorable. You'll never take. The crazy thing is, Mel Gibson won for Best Director.

And Ron Howard was not nominated. Yeah, that is best up. And then best actor, Nicholas Cage wins for Las Vegas. Yeah. Dick Dreyfus, Mr. Holland's opus. Hell yeah. Yeah.

Did that a while ago. Anthony Hopkins for Nixon, terrible. Sean Penn, Deadman Walking Shore. And then Massimo Trioci. Yeah. El Postino strikes again. So here's the thing. And Rob and I, our NBA world,

we watch this happen in NBA awards season sometimes. When people get tired of voting for somebody. This is just, Hanks had won two best actors in a row, and everybody, the Oscar Academy, was doing the old. Yeah. All right. Here's some settled down juice, Tom Hanks. We're not nominating you again. Yeah.

This isn't happening. So he does not get nominated, should he have been nominated? Can I do my hottest take now? Do it now, yeah. I would trade both Hanks Oscars for one. Oh, interesting. Oscar. I think this performance is incredible.

I think it is the best Hanks performance. and the essential Hanks performance. The number of... The essential Hanks performance. The essential. It communicates everything that has turned Tom Hanks into America's dad, one of our great movie stars, and also like this generation's Jimmy Stewart.

There are so many shots that are just of the camera zooming in on his face as he watches Neil Armstrong walk down the stairs onto the moon. Or as he listens. to Houston and figures out. They don't know how we're going to get home. They don't know what we're going to do. We're not going to the moon. I can't go to the moon.

You know, the gentleman, what are your intentions seen? I would like to go home. But that's really the only... We just lost the moon is a tough one. But the rest of it is in his face and in his eyes. And he is communicating ambition and loss and fear and dignity and everything that we like about Tom Hanks. So Armstrong, when he's watching Armstrong land And it hones in on him for a while.

It's like 12 seconds. And it's very close. Yeah. You don't actually watch that footage because it's not great quality. You watch him. His face. Even that when Kathleen Quinlan is watching one of his interviews and that story of like a past interview.

When he's a fighter pilot. And he says, and he tells the story of like the lights going out and I followed the trail of Algae home. I mean, the performance that is, Is him trying to, you know, give some hope and tell you something essential about this character and how he wouldn't, he's not going to give up. And you got to keep rooting for him and some, you know, humanity to the Kathleen Quinlan character. It's incredible. Like, I just, this is, this is the best performance.

And Forrest Gump is great. Nobody thinks Forrest Gump is. It's like, it's like Forrest Gump gets all the flack. Like, this movie is so much better than Philadelphia. It's so, like, it is. And the performance is better than Philadelphia. It's subtler. But when you think about how much of it rests on his face selling the stakes of what's happening

and every incremental change in their situation, I just think he's asked to carry a lot. And Ron Howard trusts it to a degree that's unprecedented for what we see now in movies. I think there's only one moment where they veer into like, let's show you something we don't need to. And so we get like the vision of him stepping on the moon in his like dream state. Other than that, it's all like present. Let me just show you the Tom Hanks reaction. And it works. It's funny.

I think castaway is his best performance. That's okay. I think it was a harder movie to... He just has to carry it for an hour and 15 by himself. And it's like shorthand now for a type of movie star performance, which is just one guy. Everybody's...

Like we've seen now, we just saw it with The Odyssey, different movies just trying to... Yeah. Do that where it's like, here's our guy. He's going to be on his own now for a while. Well, there are two, Hank's Best Actor Oscars. So we could trade them both for Apollo 13 and then cast away.

Easiest trade we've ever made. But I would do a two for one trade. I honestly think he should have at least three. I agree. I think he's one short of where he should be. But if Philadelphia never happens, he at least gets nominated for this. Yes.

I think that was a big piece of this. The lack of the nomination is just disrespectful. This is what happens, though. And then some people think saving Private Orion's best performance. Which is interesting, too, because it's a little bit older and beating down, Hanks. but same stuff. What's your favorite Hanks, Craig?

My favorite Hanks? Probably none of these movies. It's probably sleepless in Seattle. He's also the King of Rom Com. That's beautiful. Yeah, he's really, really good. I have big number, too, for me, for Hanks. Different phase of Hanks, but yeah.

Because I thought that was, like, an impossible performance. I still don't know how I pulled that off because the other person who wanted that movie was De Niro, and that movie is one of the worst movies of all time with Robert De Niro. Yeah. Like, I just don't know a lot of people can do that. So best actor, Spacey wins for usual suspects.

Ed Harris is nominated. Doesn't win. And then Best Supporting actress, Quinlan does not win. Mere Servino. Mighty Aphrodite. I get it. It's fine.

And I think she presented Best Picture for this Oscars, even though she'd already won. I don't know why, because that was the YouTube Cup of watch. 52 million dollar budget made $355 million, third highest movie of 1995. Can you guess the two top movies, Rob Boni? 95.

95. I had no clue. We've done both. Was Toy Story not one? Second. Yeah. What was number one in 95? D.H. with a V.

Sure. Die Hard with a vengeance. Number one, all time. Yeah. Our guy Roger Ebert, four stars. That's right. This is a powerful story. One of the year's best films

told with great clarity and remarkable technical detail. It's about men trying to do a job doing a better one than anyone could have imagined. Then he says, the buried, I can never say buried. Buried. Buried. The buried?

Buried. Is that a Boston thing? So Danny Hyfitts. We just talked about this today. Danny Hyphitz speech dyslexia. The buried message is this. When we dialed down the space program, we lost something crucial to our vision.

When I was a kid, they used to predict that by the year 2000, you'd be able to go to the moon. Nobody ever thought to predict that you'd be able to, but nobody would bother. Yeah. Raj. Tough. Getting a little somber. Mm-hmm. I mean, there is a somber quality to this, which is why I think I don't go into the reaction that you have of being like this is a little too treakly.

Yeah. Like, it is very sentimental and earnest, but they don't get to the moon, you know? No. I don't fit. The way I felt when I saw this movie in 95, I feel completely differently when I watch it now from getting older. I'm the same person who watched Hardball this week and got choked up when Gee Baby died again, even though I already knew it was going to happen. I still can't believe they did that. We're going to take a break. We're going to try to figure out the most rewatchable scene. This episode is brought to you by Chat GPT. Imagine you're running a professional sports team. Nice. That would be a dream. in mind. Imagine the Plura contract report is due today. Not so nice. You've got performance

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Here's to WestJetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. Most rewatchable scene. Everybody watches Neil Armstrong laying on the moon and we get the Hank's face. you mentioned that. Small one, but Jim talking to his son about what happened in the fire?

About the door getting stuck. Yeah, the door. It's like a sneaky good scene. It pays off. So, so good. So well. Then the kid says later. I know.

Was it the door? Just good stuff. Yeah. This is such a like a well-constructed movie. And also, you know, it is explaining to you the history of the Apollo 1 mission and also how the spaceship and works so that you understand the launch sequences and all this.

I mean, it is like basic expository writing, but like, done. undefly and with emotion. It's a good kid. Sinise gets scrapped from the mission. We talked about that one. Bacon can't fall off, I guess Jack, I call him Kevin Bacon.

He can't pull off the test mission. Right. Came in too steep or dead. Flubs it so hard. Let's do it again. The launch where we get Ed Harris. I'm giving Ed Harris the Todd Parker Award for Best Character entrance.

Just comes right in. He's got a dart. He's pointing around. He's already waiting 30 minutes to show us Ed Harris. is one of the master's stroke. It comes in like Jaws. Everyone watches the takeoff and then

we get an abort switch and all kinds of fun stuff. Jack docking the Paul 13 into the little cone area. Get it rookie. It's exciting stuff.

Get it rookie. Houston. We have a problem. All of a sudden we got oxygen spitting out of the ship. Oh my gosh. It's very stressful.

And then the moment when they actually, Houston, we seem to be leaking something, and then the score, all the noise cuts out, as you said, and it's, you know, it's real bad. And then we get Ron Howard's brother, who is in every Ron Howard movie, and it's usually either awkward or it's like, oh, they really shoehorned up in there

and it's got a key part here. Gene, The Odyssey, is dying. And he explains that whole thing to him. For my chair, this is the only, the option, or this is our last option. Turns out it wasn't a good option. No. Then we get that we just lost the moon.

Poor Hanks. Jim staring at the moon thinking about being on it. I just wrote down for the next one. Everyone gets mad at each other. Yeah. Which did not have to start breaking. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not happened, but I liked it. It's really good. A little bit of Hollywood drama. It's like, let's have one little moment of friction. But it is more unbelievable that they would not get mad at each other and way less movie and way less relatable. Howard said he took

some shit from the astronaut community about a couple things and he was just like, look man, I'm making a movie. I got it like a couple times, got a Hollywood up a little bit. The CO2 fixing. This is the one.

This is my number one as well. It's me too. Come on. It's so great. I've been waiting my whole life for somebody be like, you need to fit this into this with nothing but that.

Right. I got none of that. The closest I would get is say like, Bill, when you have me on the pod, you're like, we're doing an NBA mailbag, but you don't get the questions in advance. That's me building the CO2 filter. Yeah.

But that's as close as it gets. And yet you love it. I love the rush. I do feel like I think about this scene any time I'm in a situation where I have a problem I need to solve and I don't have all of the resources that I personally would like to have.

And I'm like, well, I just got to solve it this into this, using all of that. And I'm like, if they could do it, and they even rip a plan. bag, but they have one left and they make it work. So I can do it too. I also doing the zero G and all that

stuff, but it's frantic and they're trying to figure it out. And these guys are just diving through and it's really compelling to watch. This is another, I should have mentioned this earlier. This is a movie that was really, another one really helped up by the TVs. The TV's going wide.

On the rewatches, this is a big one. This was much harder with the square and less fun to watch. They're going to burn the engine and steer it manually, is my next scene. Oh, yeah. Let's fucking go. What are we doing? Just keep that.

Saring out the window. Keep it in the window. Keep that. That's me. Sorry. You better get your gimbal straight, you know, like, you better come correct with this thing. Our guy, Ken saves the day. And then the last one, which I think is probably the answer, is the atmosphere reentry.

I mean, yeah, the reentry, right? It's like one of the best five or six minutes. But you need to rewatch everything for it to really hit that. I don't know. Once you have editing. Harris saying with respect, I believe it'll be our finest hour. And then straight into them, you know, saying goodbye to each other. And then the weight.

And, you know, you hit three minutes. The 200 pounds of rocks. And the countdown from like three minutes to four minutes and the flashing to all the people. And it's quiet. I mean, unbelievable stuff. And it's almost real time. Every time. Yeah.

I have never watched this. And not cried. It's great stuff. with all due respects, sir, I think this is going to be our finest hour. Cuts to Joe Spano. Cuts back to Ed. Still holding a glare for like an extra second and a half and then goes back to work. I love that.

He really just buys into it. I mean, all, Nixon's like, what are the fan dual odds on these dudes dying? Just tell him three to one. I got to say Harris and Seneas are just fucking cooking in this scene. Sinise is great. I like the, I mean, is anything on the point? playing it better than a control room celebration? No, that shot.

All-time goose bumper. Even the editing on that is so good because it gives like a quarter of a second and so you get to watch them erupt into applause. It's really beautiful. It doesn't work as well with the NFL draft. When they make the pick and they try to do

the control room celebration but they all know what the pick was going to be. So they've never NBA drafts even worse. No, it's just a bunch of guys in quarter zips like high-fiving. They haven't really. They haven't staged it. The cinematography is not on par with Apollo 13. There's no good music.

Gentlemen, it's been a privilege flying with you. I can't. So what are you got? What's your most rewatchable? C.O.2? It's the carbon dioxide filter for me, the fix. I was going to say CO2, but now that we've re-entered the atmosphere, I think that I'm going to be corny and say that that's the best.

It has to be re-entering the atmosphere. But if we can have like a favorite versus a most rewatchable, then re-entering the atmosphere is the most rewatchable and like the favorite is CO2 filters. Also when they reenter the atmosphere, you get to have that whole mental conversation with yourself. Like, how the fuck do they do this? Genuinely.

The 4,000 degrees of heat. Like, how did this survive? What was your most rewatchable? Reentry, it's got to be reentry. Yeah. When Hanks lets Bacon take the pilot seat, when Hanks is like, oh, sorry, it's a habit. You sit here.

You're like, fuck yeah. Yeah. And then the sign that he's taped on it saying no on the button for the limb. I also like as Bill Paxson slowly dies during this movie. And then at the end when they land, Hank's like on buckles. Oh, this guy's like really close to death. Even when Hank's is hugging him to warm them up. Yeah.

What's the most 1995 thing about this movie? I could offer you pretty bad opening graphics. for the movie. Like, I was kind of startled by usually by the mid-90s we had better, like, movie graphics. I didn't, I just wasn't impressed. Mid-90s, Tom Hanks,

skinny face with the receding airline. But I'm going with the most white cast possible. I just don't think, I think even 10 years later, they're like, hey, I noticed you have 299 actors in this and 298 or white. What is you portraying 1970? Yeah.

Well, yeah, they could have. And then there is. They could have moved, moved a couple. It's just they didn't even think of it as my point. There's a hidden figures aside if we do this now. Sure, sure, sure. There is one black man working at the retirement home.

As an orderly. Mrs. Lovell yells at a lot, which is just, it's not a great look. So I think that's the answer because in 1995, nobody was like, hey, just a note. I noticed this. The Floyd Gundali butter in my ass and lollipops of my mouth award. Have we had this since you? No, I don't think so. But I, you know.

For something you just enjoy, what do you have? Sure. The white vest. I couldn't get it on Amazon here in time. And, you know, it also has a special Apollo 13 patch. So just a random white badge. The Ed Harris vest? Yeah, of course.

That his wife made for him. Yeah, she makes one for every mission. But, you know, he does a lot of acting with the vest. Like in moments of, like, emphasis, he pulls it down. I think it's a great prop. And it tickles me. That's another Ed Harris trick with a. Oh, yeah.

doing, like, really tightening the tie, you know, and there's gum chewing, like, really significant gum chewing in certain scenes. They do, like, little stuff like that. How have you never gotten a white vest? How is that not a thing? You want one to have? Think about it. Liz gives me a new vest every year for my fantasy draft. Oh, good.

There we go. What do you have for Floyd? I think it's the muse. Oh, wait, no, for, yeah, for, this is something you just enjoy. Yeah. I think it's the scene where Hanks refuses to look out at Mount Maryland on the moon. And some of it's, like, I'm never 100% sure what his hesitation is.

Is it like this is a down moment and he doesn't think they're going to get home? Is it like I need to stay absolutely focused? Like what is it because of just the disappointment that he won't be able to walk on it? But there's something inscrutable about him there that I just find like intoxicating in this movie. I've seen it. I have the guy who got left behind, which works in sports movies, astronaut movies, war movies. but in Miracle, the movie that they made about the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team, the guy, the last cut, Ralph Cox, didn't get to be in the team,

but he's like an alternate just in case and he's just kind of behind watching everything. I think that always works. This is also like Rudy is more or less the guy who got left behind. For a while, yeah, and finally gets in. But then he gets in, but that's the point. Yeah. He gets in. I wish there was a ringer person we just never hired who just, they just,

they just cut to him every once in a while. He was so close. So close for years and years. Just couldn't make it. What's age the best? Houston, we have a problem, I would say. It has to be the winner, right? It's pretty good.

And I know it came from the mission, but then it got a reboot with the... They cleaned it up. It's like, okay, Houston, we have a problem. It was like a little clunkier on actual... Yeah, we've had a problem. Yes. Yeah.

But this became... In 95, this was a, like, before memes, we were like saying this to each other. Like in that, I know, Craig, remember that and you don't. Maybe even you don't, Rob. I remember pre-meam-like. Yeah, this is that ancient attack. It was like Happy Meal Toys and Houston, we've had a problem.

That was my playground childhood. Well, Rob and I go further with it because, oh, my God. By the way, the air conditioning switched to 73, and I just put it back to 68, so it was about to get hot in there. We're on re-entry. Okay, good. All right.

Sorry, yeah, the CO2 before we start. breathing. The water's going to be going out. It's crazy. Rob and I, with Houston, we have a problem, became just a sports thing.

Oh, yeah. Sure, yeah. Anytime, like, the Rockets have lost three in a row, Houston, we have a... Like, it's the most beating-of-death thing in sports, probably.

How many basketball blogs have been written with that text or subtext? Like, it's there every single time. Like, the Rockets last year when it started going wrong with the rant. So anyway, it's just, it will never end.

A couple more. Apollo 13, the 13, the 13 being bad luck. Yeah. They do a nice job in the first, 30 minutes of being like this number 13 had to be lucky 13

you could believe in that or no I don't you thought about it though I thought about it and this honestly makes a very compelling case I wanted to revisit this and unanswerable questions because they take off at 13.13 p.m. Yeah. And they enter the Earth's orbit

on April 13th. I had this in what stage the worst they kind of kind of court the 13 in a weird way. They're like, bring it on 13. We're going to land on 13, 13, 13 on 13. Fuck you. They're making jokes about it. 13 was like, oh, yeah, okay.

Watch this. You got to live your life without superstition, but to your point, bringing it in and like really, really courting the 13 is almost leaning into the superstition. So I'm a 13 guy. You are. What does that mean?

I remember one of the 13. one of the places I worked during my bartending, waitering days, I was server number 13. Okay. And I felt like it was good luck. And then my wife's birthday is on the 13th. Okay. Every once in a while, it's a Friday the 13th. Guess what?

She's fine. She's still alive. You reclaimed it. Yeah. And I like the Friday of 13th series. Sure. There's been some good 13s in sports. I'm not afraid of 13. You know who else is very pro 13? Who? Taylor Swift. That's another good one. That's one of her numbers.

That's when I was talking to her at the wedding. Same thing. Like, she was telling me. I think I went 27 seconds on the Instagram. You got me. And I was like, I know. What was Zach's time? Four and a half minutes?

You know what? Honestly, I would have kept it going for five minutes, but it was just the wrong person to do it too. He was so confused. But now he spent his whole summer with people torturing him about it. It was good. People go out to me like, I've got to tell you about Taylor Swift's writing. He was like, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. What's age the best? I could eat the ass out of a dead rhinoceros. Really good. Apparently, given to Paxton from Gary Busey, who was visiting the set that day, and who used it in point break

three years or four years ago. Oh, my God. Before that. Okay. What's age the best to score? We didn't mention James Horner, nominated for an Oscar. It's unbelievable.

Really good. And also Annie Lennox doing the voices, which, you know, what's the most 1995 thing about this movie? No, it's beautiful. It's referenced a lot in other movie scores now. It used to play in the arc light in the dome. And I would start crying.

It's very powerful. It's a really good one. It's also simple and straightforward in a way that it's referenced, but it's like everyone has to have a take or an iteration. We can't make a serious movie now unless Ludwig Gorinson is making a flute out of a human bone. And this is just like big swelling orchestral score with some voices. There's a lonely trumpet. For sure.

Oh, absolutely. The last gasp of American masculinity. It's very like west wingy to me in its instrumentation. for sure, or I guess vice versa. Well, it's age the best. Loving, supportive wives. Yeah. I just did that as a joke for Menda.

Okay, sure. Well, we'll come back to it. Any movie where Ed Harris has to wear a toupee. Because we know his hair situation, but this one was like, it's blonde. I got to say that the back of it's a little darker. Like there's a couple points where you're like, eh. Well, just.

But I like when he has hair. It's funny. The geometry of men's haircuts in the late 60s or early 70s, and specifically in this film, is very square. Yeah. And so I guess they needed to add something in order to make his round head as square as everybody else. Because no one, very few eggheads. It's all like military cut.

Yeah. High and tight all the way around. I have the Hanks and Sinise Reunion, which you mentioned. And the best use ever of Quinn Howard. Those are my Wood's Age the best. They have any more, Rob? How about the Walter Cronkite archival footage? It's great.

When he takes his glasses off, and they cut to him taking his glasses off right before Neil Armstrong steps on the moon, you're like, oh, wow, images and history is powerful. It's so good. Can I give you... Oh, please.

I was going to say, can I give you a What's Age the best? Yeah. Literally the astronauts have aged so well. Astronauts live so long. Fred Hayes is still alive. Jim Lovell just died last. He was 97.

Buzz Aldrin is still alive. Yeah. Throw on their fucking mid-90s. The astronauts live forever. So what do you think? Outer space, like, gave them extra strength? Or they had to take care of their bodies better? Yeah, speak on it.

What do you think space is doing for them? Do I have to bring conspiracy bill in for this? Did they give them extra stuff? You think that's what it is? Do you think there's something on the far side of the moon? I would think the CO2, even that whole episode for three hours would have shortened their lives by 10 years. Yeah. It was, like, bad for your brain.

Was Fred Hayes sick in real life? I don't know. No, Fred Hayes on the mission. Yeah. He had a urinary tract infection from how they had to pee in the thing. Right. That's what it was. So, and those can get really serious.

But even that, he's doing okay. The real answer, unfortunately, is less interesting. I thought it was they got some special magic space dust that made them live forever. Apparently, one, astronauts have to be very physically fit in general. Yeah, it makes sense. You're already in the 0.01%. Right. They also, they monitor you for your whole life,

and you get health checkups yearly by NASA forever. Oh, because you're kind of a guinea pig. I think they want to, like, see what's going on. So, like, anything that's wrong with you is detected immediately. Oh, interesting. Okay. Should we start doing that? Yeah, I love that.

Yeah. Honestly, that's like Spotify's health plan. I'm not giving them my biometric data. Absolutely not. Ripping it off. What do you have for what stage is the best? Slingshotting around the moon. Yeah.

Which I think they do in the Martian. And they do in everything. But I get that technology. You know, it makes sense, but I understand gravity. So good job. So Isaac Newton, take the wheel. Thank you to the moon. Hank's polo shirts or Jim Lovell's polo shirts.

I think that needs to come back. You know, he looks great. They're the right fit. Not Mrs. Lovell's hair. Not Mrs. Lovell's hair. The short sleeve polo shirts. Really the only short sleeve shirt that I would endorse. Not enough short sleeve polos.

too many short-sleeved dress shirts going on in mission control. That's true. That we don't, we want a long sleeve there and a short-slee polo, but he looks good. And then having to turn things on in the right order to make them work. Just like my internet. Just like anything else, you know. And even the no, when he has the no button that would have just ejected his person. You got to say that for last.

We have a no button. There's a very specific order or else this technology is not going to work. They still have not figured that out. Any more? I'm going to move on. How about getting together to watch a world event that is not a sport?

I wish we would do this more. I wish there are more things we could do it more. Like a party of just... Like if we did good things. Now it's like the Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fight we all get together

before we were landing on the moon. I don't know. We're going backwards. Yeah. Great Shock Order Award. What do you have? I think that wide shot of the control room. I had the same thing.

It's really great. It's perfect. And to Craig's point, like, it can look very bad as evidenced by all the draft night reaction shots, which even I, Mandat, Ovenst have seen. It's amazing. I like he has the camera. It's not straight on. It's the side. So it's a wide angle and you can see.

And they built that control room. It's not the eye. Apparently, NASA offered it to them, and they didn't run out of one and build his own one. More practical that way. Big Kahuna Burgerware, best use of food and drink. I was going to say the jello in space. when they're making the home movie. Yeah.

And they're doing like the jello and he's trying to get it. I think I would do that. What else are going to do? You're in space. No, TV, anything. Yeah. They don't really eat a lot or talk about the food that they're eating. They talk about their water rations.

No, I do. Because they don't want to make number twos. Yes, exactly. Yeah, they're trying to. Well, if we can invert the question, is it actually the vomit in space? Like the zero-g vomit. I think it's like a great showcase for the visual effects.

It's disgusting. But it works and is like kind of shocking to see. In one of the, it was like oral history, one of the features they talked about when they were doing the zero G, the three guys did not get sick. They took like a whole bunch of shit, but none of them got sick. But a couple of the crew members did. And one crew member puked. And the puke went zero G and hit Paxton on top of the head. And they had to stop.

And he was like, oh, just clean it up. Let's go. But yeah. So the puke in slow motion. What would be worse? They varied probably a couple things. But it's up there. Yeah.

Kid Cuddy pursued a happiness where Best Need No Drop. They'd put that spirit in the sky song. I think that's the one. That's got to be the winner. Was there a better title for this movie? I don't think so. I like how dialed back it is. I don't think so either.

Because you don't want to step on Houston, we have a problem. Also, Houston we have a problem is like a very internet-y. It's true. You know, in 2026, that's what they would, you know, name it for SEO or social purposes. Do you think they knew? Like, do you think they knew the heat they had with Houston, we have a problem? Well, they edited it for. from real life, so yes?

Yeah, but it's like, I mean, the idea that this is so good we're going to make it potentially the title of the movie that it'll be the thing that endures. And now there's TikTok edit. It's like, Houston was a problem. Mandy, you have a flex category? I do.

This is a specific one, but it's true to my heart. So I'm doing the Billy Bats' Jack Wolts Award for biting scalable insult. This is flight surgeon horseshit, deek, which is, I think is a very usable phrase for any time you are dealing with administrative nonsense. For example, I had some flight surgeon horseshit just the other day with my kids' school forms.

You have some flight surgeon horseshit when the TSA name doesn't match the airplane. There are just many times when just people are standing in your way or not even people, but dumb rules. Anytime you're in Europe, it's flight surgeon horseshit. I think it's great. It's pretty good. Especially for a mild-mannered gym level at this point. It's like the one time he yells before they get in the shuttle for flight surgeon horse shit. Yeah.

Which is girlfriend award weekling of the film. What do you got, Rob? I think it's the teenagers. My exact answer. So the young kids, the young kids are good. Like the little boy who talk about the door. So other sisters. Older sister, Rob.

I think this son, I remember at age 11. We got to get him out of here. He was so handsome. I thought he was so cute when I was 11. but he doesn't have Hank's power of emoting and close-up. And they cut to him a lot during re-entry. And he's still very cute. I hope he's well.

This is where I think if they did make it today, they would be incredibly attentive to every detail in the space shuttle. But they would consolidate four kids to like two or three kids. Like we got to simplify the family situation here. There's just, we don't need to flash to military school. You know who else is there? Jim's mom. She's out.

I think they go from four kids to two. Wait, you're taking out. I think everybody's out. If they could get a washing machine to fly, my Jimmy could land it. If no one's directed in it, come on. No one's directing it. All of the women are dying. That's true.

And I like the Odyssey very much. Do we have fewer shots of Maryland. Can she be opposite of radio more often? You know, there's ways to Nolanify this. But that's messed up. You're taking out his mom. I had... I think it's funny when they have Neil Armstrong come over and they put him on mom duty.

That part's good. He's like, so... Did Jim make Eagle Scout? That's really funny to make. Jimmy could land a washing machine. That's so good. That's right line. It's so good.

We don't need it. Flinty? The movie's two hours, 20 minutes. We could have cut some family. I have, for Butch's girlfriend, it's funny, I don't like that there's no reunion ending. Oh.

So they land, everything's great. Yeah. Then we see them on the plane. Mm-hmm. And they're dressed in the, But obviously they're not home yet. No. On the aircraft carrier. So they get greeted by people I don't know.

Like, I would have much rather they landed in Houston. And we had Senise and Hanks and Seneas and like basically like the top gun ending. Yeah. But I'm corny and I like stupid shit. I just would have rather had that than, hey, here's some strangers greeting you. Well, they traded it for a different kind of cornyness, which I think like the admiral of that ship that you have a lingering shot of Hanks with is Jim, right? Real life Jim Lovell. Yeah.

So, like, you're getting that kind of. a moment instead of the character closure a little bit. I think it's good that they don't prolong it because then you run the risk of having to say more of the feelings and the takeaways. And even in that very brief voiceover, he says that we were

called the successful failure in that we blah, blah, blah. So you wouldn't want to the older daughter one more time? Right. And I'm just like the more that you actually have to show the emotional moments than... I just kind of wanted Senise. I wish Sanisse had been in the last scene. But he's so

great, his reaction in reentry. Ed Harris could have just had a dart and... Did you have a weak link or now? I also, the kids. Okay. What's age the worst? I mentioned this earlier, but Apollo 13 just leaning in the 13 for no reason.

Just kind of tempting the 13 gods. There's a couple of fade-to-black jump cuts. Yes. That just would not happen now. Like, it's kind of... I thought my internet cut out. Yeah. Kathy Clinton's haircoat we mentioned.

I wrote Get the Grandmother out of here with three exclamation points, but Rob disagrees. I'm coming back on that. I'm kind of with Rob on this just for the Eagles. Played by Ron Harrods. Yeah. This is a classic Judd Apatow.

I'm just going to start putting my family in here. So, oh, I had the oldest daughter's ugly cry face. My big one was for what's age the worst. Poor Jack in real life gets kind of crushed by this movie. makes it seem like he's unprepared and he's like a cad. Oh, the real Jack Spocker. Yeah.

Yeah, and I get it. But this is the problem with a based on a true story, even though it was accurate. But everyone says Jack was super familiar with all this stuff. He was basically like the backup QB on the crew. It wasn't like, it was like, oh shit, we got to throw him in. And I don't know. If I was in his family, this movie would piss me off.

Like, why did that to Dad? Maybe he would have gotten more simulator time if Senise wasn't such a perfectionist. And it's like, we got to run it again. Right, right, right. I mean, what do you expect? You haven't let him get in the machine. Yeah, I don't. This makes it seem, like when you watch this,

did you feel like Jack was kind of like the wild card? One of my notes was that I wanted to ask if that was real or not, that this guy was actually kind of underprepared because I'm like, what is NASA doing? Why would they ever allow that? This guy just to come in, why wouldn't they just push the launch? Always a tough beat in these autobiographical movies

when they have to Hollywood up one of the characters. They're in the AFC championship. You know, if you can push that, You're doing it. What do you have for? What stage is the worst? Well, I already said the heat shield. Yeah.

And then, because apparently we haven't locked that down, though everyone's okay. And I will say the VFX, some of the, like, the paint chips falling off. Sure. Off the Saturn 5 launch. You know, you can, you can tell now the further we get from it, the more you can see the very small effects. But it's really, it's really small and they do so much of it in camera that I shouldn't complain. Yeah. For me, it's the teenage daughter again, specifically blaming Paul for breaking up the Beatles. No.

Yeah. Real ones know it's Alan Klein. Tough character. Come on. That is true. Has there ever been a movie like this where they have the 13, where she like 13, 14, 12? Yeah. Has that character ever been likable in any movie ever? It's a tough part.

Because I don't feel like I kind of like my daughter when she was 13. How old is the Moneyball daughter? Oh, that's a really good character. But she might only be 10. She's like 10. Yeah, but she sings. Like, that's the most maligned part of the movie for some people. It works on me.

The song hits me hard in the end. Those people aren't girl dads. I mean, it's true. Come on. I'm just a little bit caught in the middle, you know? I've been rewatching Homeland. Great. Speaking of teenage daughters.

It gets really tough. Actually, that's when the Americans, the teenagers on the Americans, I feel like are actually quite good. It can be done. It's just, it's tough. You got to give them a lot to do to make it worth it. Gilmore girls, no. Everyone is very mean about Rory. I just don't think we've figured this up.

Roughlo, Hannah, Rubinick Partridge, overacting. I wrote down, and this is flight surgeon horseshit! It's not overacting. That's perfect. I forgot to look up Henry, the press officer's name. Yeah. But that actor is leaning a little too hard into I'm the evil press officer. You know?

He is quite too-faced. And I don't feel that NASA was managing the family as well. as they could have. But, you know, Henry really took every opportunity to play to Nixon. They were looking for anybody who just wasn't a nice guy, ruined for the mission. Taking one more break and then Rob's got a flex. Rob, you have a flex? I am going to put some respect on Gene Spiegel's name because I did the Estelle Reiner. I'll have what she's having award for the best contribution by a performer with two or fewer

lines, not only because it fits the criteria of the award, but the spirit, right? like casting your own mom, a la Estelle Reiner, to do basically two lines in this movie. And specifically, if you could get a washing machine to fly, my Jimmy could do it, I'm legit like tearing up at that moment. I can't explain to you why. But the inversion of like the little girl crying into grandma

who just had a stroke giving you all the confidence you need to run through a wall, I love it. I love the nepotism is what I'm saying. It took out her false teeth. Because Howard was worried she didn't look old enough And his mom literally took out her Her dentures It's incredible

Yeah you can kind of see it For kind of like Like they're sort of thing But there are really so many Howard's in this movie Like Clint is in it We talked about Ron Howard's dad's in it Bryce is in here somewhere Like there's I think Ron Howard's wife is in here somewhere

He perfected the art This is a family movie It is. Yeah Listen as somebody My daughter's been on my podcast like 25 times I can't really say anything Yeah

I'm just going to move on in the next category. My son wants to do a podcast with Little Caesar about pizza. He's for... Little Caesar himself? Pizza, pizza, yes. That's what it's called. Would listen. Oh, Amanda has...

We never get to do this category of Amanda here. It's really exciting. The Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate. Tough movie for this category. Can I just say every time you do it, even if I'm not here, I feel understood and loved. So thank you for this category. Also, there's a great answer. Mount Maryland.

It's the moon, right? Yeah. Mount Maryland. No, it is... Mount Maryland. Just specifically Mount Maryland? Yeah, name a piece of space after me. Okay?

And not one of the stars you buy in the star directory. There are, you know, infinity of those. Give me a landmark on the moon. Mount Amanda, the Sea of Amanda. Let's go. Pretty good. Yeah. We did...

See, I can always find the real estate opportunity. We did speed and I think we handed out the Dobbins real estate for Hopper's house that he blows up in that movie. It's got a really nice corner lot. one story, nice views. Just blows it up. Yeah, it's tough. The Sierra thinks

Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford Ford had us take a word. What do you got? I think when the Soviet Union fell that America fell to, like, we are clearly capable of doing

cool things, but we need a rival. Like, we need to feel the heat from the other side of the planet. Superpower all the way over there to work against. We just don't do that anymore. We're unfocused.

We're unharnessed. We're like completely uninterested. We have lost the stakes of everything. I just think we need to do cool things. Kennedy was like, by the end of the decade, we're making it to the moon and we did it, not because it's easy or because it was hard, but because it was a race,

we decided we need to fucking win. It's a challenge. I just think we need rivals, you know? Okay. We spent 30 years running up the score against nobody. It's really good. It's really good. This movie should just make people respect Elon Muskmore.

You know, he cares about getting into space. Jesus Christ. Put some respect in that guy's name. Hottest take. He cares about electric cars, getting us to the moon, communicating. Is he trying to get to the moon? I have to be honest.

I have not followed. SpaceX. Exactly what he wants to do with space. I think it's Mars. He's really focused on Mars. He's focused on Mars. And Bezos. By the way, I'm interested in Mars.

We do need to get to Mars. Yeah, let's see what's up there. Do we? What's why? Ambition. American ingenuity. Yeah. China needs to say we're going to Mars and then we're right. This is what I'm saying.

Yeah. Like we crossed an ocean. We fought for independence. We pioneered the West. We shot ourselves into the sky. We need boots on Mars for any reason that we decide. Yeah. What do you have for a hot stick?

I already did mine. Oh, that's why you did your journey. Casting win ifs mentioned Kostner. Hank's turned down Jumanji. Good decision, sir. Smart move. This is honestly one of it could almost be its own category, one of my favorite casting what if we had in a while.

Because of his interest in aviation, John Trevolta asked Howard for the role of Jim Lovell. He was politely turned down. But so would this be before Pulp Fiction? After. Or after? Okay. Well, better than before, you know.

Did you see John Travolta's 60-minute film about aviation that premiered at the Cannesville? It's available on Apple TV. Yeah. Isn't it called like I Am a Pilot? What's it called? Something like that. It's an adaptation of the children and or young adults book that he himself wrote about a child's first airplane trip. It's really not a movie, but I did watch all of it.

And I think they filmed at the TWA Hotel in part. We just don't spend enough time talking about how crazy some of our favorite actors are. What I'm learning is a lot of men of a certain age love aviation. Like, is this ahead of all of us? I don't really know. It's like the last way they can feel alive. Maybe. Just flipping and playing around.

Premier Magazine right there, which I read the article about Apollo 13. They said Travolta also lost out to Ed Harris for Gene. That's the right decision. Yeah. But I'm sure that hurt. It would have been some good Travolta faces, though. I wonder if he would have smoked. I love when Travolta smokes.

Like, he's clearly never held cigarettes. John Cusack, Patrick Swayze, Joe Pesci, and Rick Moranis, according to half-ass internet research, were all offered the role of Fred and all turned it down and went to Bill Paxton. Okay. I don't know if I can fully believe that Joe Pesci as Fred. That one didn't pass the sniff test for me.

Joe Pesci is going to be one of the three astronauts on Apollo 13. As a cut-up, maybe. Like the comedic energy, I could kind of understand. It could seem in the control room, but not in the spaceship. Can't see him with the haircut. No. I also, honestly, can't see Rick Moranis either. No. I think Rick Comerance as Clint Howard,

like in the control room would be great. Yeah. This one I did believe, Brad Pitt offered the role of Jack, but turned it down because of seven. I mean, I was wondering about this. It worked out for everybody.

I think that's the right decision. And he would have been too distracting. You know who it didn't work out for? Who? What's in the box? What's in the box? Apparently Val Kilmer also turned down Jack. He was filming the ghost of darkness.

Yeah, well, it's also a little too Iceman, but, uh, I don't know, decent Valcomer vehicle. Sure. Sure. Not intrigued by it. Tom Hacks was cast. Ron Howard said, Gary Sneease, pick your part.

And he picked, he picked, Ken. Yeah. He liked that one. He said, when I looked at it, I said, I want to play that guy. Without him, they won't get back. And then, I don't know if I believe this, but Kelsey Grammer and Christopher Lloyd turned down Gene. Christopher Lloyd, mid-90s, Christopher Lloyd is Gene? We can't do.

those. I don't believe that. Joey Pants Award for Best That Guy. Our guy Todd Louisao is in this, the manny from Jerry McGuire who's in the control room. Yeah. Yeah. Clint Howard. Lauren Dean? Is he that guy? Is he Lauren Dean? I think he is. Is he that well known?

To me, he's just the detective from Gattaca. And he was, what, Bugsy? One of those. For me, for my generation, is Joe Spano, the guy that Ed Harris side ad, because he was an actual cast member of Mehill Street Blues.

which was the best TV drama from like 1980. If there's a TV drama championship belt, it has it for like five years. And he was on that show. And you just see him. It's like, oh, that guy from Mill Street Blues. But I think the answer is Todd Louiso. He's a good one.

And Clint Howard is too well known to... I think he's Clint Howard. Okay. What about... There's a couple others. I don't even know the guy's names. Yeah. Well, I mean, to me, all of the control room...

It's a bunch of that guy going forward. where I'm like, oh, it's that guy from the control room in Apollo 13. Because there's one guy that kind of looks like Dennis Leary. He's that guy. I don't know what his name is. Yeah. Sure. He's on the CADCOM at some point.

Yeah. That guy's good. All the control room. And then the kind of the handsome guy who is working with Gene Harris. Yeah. And it's like something a little sinister about him, but he's holding it in. Yeah. I don't know what that guy's name is.

Dionne Waiter's a word. I narrowed it down to Clint Howard, Jim's mom, and Walter Cronkite. Okay. Walter Cronkite eligible. Walter Cronkite then. Steels the show. I think it's Cronkoy. Yeah.

And he's also, so I guess they, is the footage of the science expert that they keep cutting to new or is that real? I thought all the TV stuff was old. I thought so, but you're a resident scientist. You're the one who's bringing the heat shields. There is Amanda, yeah. Well, when he's sitting there with the blow torch,

I was kind of like, I can't believe that they are allowing this fake science experiment on live TV in 1970? I will say as a child of the 70s, whenever these people were on TV, you just completely assume that they knew what they were talking about and you believe them 100% never doubted their information. And you still feel that way today. I do not.

I do not. This somehow probably turned near by the end of the 80s. Okay. But in the 70s of one of those people came on and be like, yeah, that's Bob. This is what he does. Recasting couch director of city. I have a really good one for this, but did you guys have anything? Is there anybody you would change?

Maybe I'm just gene-pilled, but like, what about Gene Hackman for Gene? What if you swapped Gene-Hackman for Ed Harris? Is he too... As a gene? Is the energy off? Is he like a little too shadowy, mysterious, nefarious for that part? Is this... What year is Crimson Tide?

Before this. This is before this. Where... So, he's more... I mean, listen, I'm not going to say, no, Gene Hackman's a bed. I had choice because I love Gene Akron. Same year, Crimson Tide. Oh, interesting.

Oh, okay. I don't know how I feel like that. I really do love Ed Harrison this, though. I mean, it's an impeccably cast movie, I think, for the most part. It's hard to find holes in a book. I wonder if the bacon one could we have gone one level up from stardom with that one. I think Brad Pitt is the one level up from stardom. Although at this point it's like 12 monkeys, Brad Pitt.

Like, you need Hank's in the center. Can you get in the car with me and test drive Tom Cruise is Jack? Just for a split second. We absolutely need to play in a 60s cad? Yes. Wow. I mean, I say yes to that. Being Tom Cruise.

Tell me he can do when you feel the beer bottle slide in just write monologue. I think the question with him is would you believe the like crisis of confidence part that Kevin Bacon has? With Tom Cruise. He's like scared to flip switches at a certain point. I don't know if I would buy that with Cruz, but I would like to see it. But you could see him getting mad about there. We're coming in too shallow and I'll just hold my breath and all that stuff. I have one more for you.

for Jack Ross. We already said that we appreciate Kathy and Quinlan in this role. Maybe Julianne Moore is a little too young for it, but I just imagine Julianne Moore doing, you can take it up with my husband. He'll be home on Friday. I would enjoy it.

That's really good. That's all. I think she's a little more on the red age every time you do it somehow. I have, for recasting, Denzel's character from flight in the Jack

in the Kevin Bacon part where he's like he shows up for the mission but he's fucking been doing cocaine and having sex all night and he hasn't slipped. And he's that age too. And Jim's like the banana boats are coming.

It's train company now, big dog. There's a couple of little shooters floating around zero gravity. Oh my gosh. Craig, you have a flex. What do you got? I'm going to do Todd Parker award best character entrance, but like

understated edition, I really like when they're just like, Buzz and Neeler here. And you're like, oh, shit. We didn't even need to say the full name and just like, it ups the stakes so much in the movie. Like, you really feel the weight when like they come in the living room, sit down and just cross their arms and watch the screen. You're like,

all right. This is game seven. Those guys are so fucking cool. There's that video of Buzz Aldrin punching the guy when he's old. Yeah. When Buzz is old and that guy's harassing him and Buzz just like cold, incredible. It's the best.

It's like, what? Because it was a moon landing denial, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Half Sinter research. We mentioned Spielberg. They filmed for four hours, basically, in the zero G, doing zero G maneuvers,

which sounds, I mean, the Odyssey is a 10 out of 10 for what sounds like with the worst shoot. Yeah. Being on the boat and stuff. This sounds like a nine and a half. So this was that, so they would take off in the quote-unquote vomit comment.

Fly around. Right. And they had like 20, 25 seconds. of zero G. They did that nonstop for four hours. That sounds a lot. Sounds a lot easier

just to do tango and cash. The Universal Studio, they had two life-sized replicas of the command module and the lunar module. They lowered the spaceship stuff to 38 degrees, so it was really that cold in there.

Okay. The splashdown sequence at the end when they rescue Hanks, where do you think that took place? I know the answer, so. Where do you think that took place? Santa Barbara? Where is it? San Diego.

A large artificial lake on the universal lot. No way. I know, but now I really want to go find the lake on the lot. Where is the artificial lake on the universal lot? Is it like behind Bates Motel, which is still there? I want to check it out. Okay. Is that on the tour? I don't know. That should be.

Yeah, Jaws comes out of the artificial lake. You see Jim being rescued. Oh. the Iwo Jima, U.S.S. Iwojima, it did not exist anymore when they did Apollo 13. So they had to use its sister ship, the New Orleans. Okay. And then Bacon was in the oral history, it was raving about when they all went to U.S. space camp, how smart Hanks was. And he said Bill Pax, too, but really Hanks, like learning all this stuff.

And he was like, that guy could have flown a fucking rocket. like Hanks was like just absorbing everything like an absolute maniac. I mean, he really clearly wants to be an astronaut. Yeah. Yeah. And they were taught all these things. They really wanted them to be like the buttons secondhand, so it felt real. And Hanks took it seriously.

Not like Tom Cruise learning how to flip beer bottles and cocktail, but close. Close. I had one that blew my mind, which is I didn't really crystallize for me until watching it this time, that this movie invented the phrase failure is not an option. Like, to a degree that Gene Cranes, the actual guy who ran mission control, became so associated with him. He never said it. It was something that came up as they were talking to other mission control people researching for this movie.

And someone just kind of mentioned it offhand that, like, basically the vibe was failure is not an option. But it was not a phrase in the lexicon. It became so associated with Gene Cranz, he titled his own book, something he did not say, failure is not an option. I mean, pretty insane. It's good branding. I think you go like, yeah, I think I did say that. I think they get offhand somewhere in there.

Kind of vaguely remember that. But they have the transcripts. Right. So then you get added as a liar and that's worse. Yeah. I remember saying to somebody. I wrote it down. I think it's cooler just to say, hey, that's a good line.

I'll use it. I accept. Well, that was one of the things in the half-ass was Gene is the only person in charge of everything in the control room for like however many days. And there was another guy named Glenn Lundy who was. the second team and he's just basically not in it.

Glenn got the shaft. Marilyn Lovell really did lose her ring down in the drain, but she found it. Okay, good. How? Do we know? What are you supposed to... What do you do in that situation? Pull the drain up. But a lot of those hotel ones, they don't even have... Like, you can't even pull it off? That would be disgust off. I don't want... You might just want to leave it down there at that

point. This is my favorite one, though. Kevin Bacon has now played a character named Jack in Frost Nixon. My dog Skip. Paul 13, few good men, Quicks over, and Friday the 13th, and then put Jackie on City of the Hill. Oh my God. Okay.

Is it seven Jacks or Jackies? Which I'm guessing is the record. And Jack was a name that didn't, like, I didn't go to college or high school with any Jacks. It's back now. Is it back? Jack has been back for 15 years. Yeah. And it's back to even in L.A. where you don't meet a Chris or a Ben or something.

So you're saying there's a young actor out there. Jacob Allorty could some, they play. 12 jacks and could take the title from Bacon. Kevin Bacon, seven jack. That's the record, seven jacks. Apex Mountain. Hanks, this might be hit. It just depends on where you want to put it in that sweet spot, right?

We're there. Because he also has Toy Story this year. We're here. Tom Hanks says Apex Mountain is bigger than the other mountains. Okay. He's just way up there for a while. But it's somewhere between... Has like several summits.

Is that how mountains work? Somewhere between winning the Oscar for Forrest Gump, but then filming this movie and voicing Toy Story, I think it's probably right there. Okay. I think filming this movie was Apex Mountain. Counterpoint is Apex Mountain for Hanks

really having the juice to be like, I shall do lady killers. You know, like the like, no one can say no to me point in his career where he's done saving Private Ryan by that point. He's done, like not only this, but so much more. Yeah. And I'll be like,

I'm doing this and I'm directing it. Should we sing it for you now? But he's like, I'm doing this and I'm going to direct it. And they're like, okay, Tom Hanks. You know, who has one of her first roles in that thing you do? Your girl, Charlize. How do you like them, Apples? I wouldn't say she comes off great at it.

No, but she's used well. Just an icon. Ron Howard, Apex Mountain? Probably beautiful mind. I guess so. Probably for the acclaim alone. Senise, we're in the mix right here with him. Force gum and this.

It's all going to lead someday to him doing nine years of CSI. I'm living a great life. It's like, what's that blood pattern? Kevin Bacon, I don't know what is. It's probably in the 80s.

It's probably like footloose. That sets up like the next 40 years. I think that makes sense. Houston? I thought about this. City of Houston? The only other thing I came up with for Houston is 1981, which is,

which is when Houston gave us Beyonce. Is that the only competitive point in time? 19-81, Houston made the finals in the NBA. But this is also when they won the finals. So, right? So Apollo 13, Houston, we got to have a problem coinciding with the Rockets winning back-to-back, basically. Oh, that's the answer.

Is that it? Rockets win. They've lost the Oilers, though. Do you think the Rockets should incorporate more space themes into their jerseys and stuff? They're starting to. They're bringing it back. They have like a little astronaut alt now.

They got some stuff going on. You know, Rollerball, which is up there somewhere, that team was in Houston too. Oh. The team from Rollerball? The team from Rollerball in the future set in Houston. Yeah. Something about Houston and the future and space. Yeah.

Then you go there and it's just highways and everything is an hour from everything else. Ed Harris? Hmm. See, is Oscar nominated. He's having an incredible 90s run here because the firm, he's in the rock. Like, he's just, probably he's in China Moon with Madeline Stowe. Is he nominated for Truman Show? If he wasn't, it was a travesty.

Can't remember, even though we did that. Speaking of great berets, like, it's just impeccable work by him. It's somewhere between here and Truman Show, I don't know where. Kathleen Quinlan. She got nominated for an Oscar. Yeah. Brian Grazer, producer. This has a Brian Grazer production at the beginning instead of imagine. So, maybe.

Space movies? I don't think it can't. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean. Star Wars 2001. Yeah, you had Steven Spielberg here talking about. Which chair did Stephen sit in? In mine?

Oh my God. Excuse me, Mr. Spielberg. I'm not on a first name basis. And that Rob sat in the seat when Sean had the criteria orgasm. Great. That's Stephen. Did you get this laundered or do I need to get up? And Sean just like all of his vert.

Bray just collapsed and was back. It had a joint criteria orgasm together. It was the same time. It's beautiful. It's very rare. It's unbelievable. I've never seen a human react like Sean did. It was amazing. American idealism, Apex Mountain?

I think I made the pitch. American ingenuity. Yeah. Wait, is it 95 or in 1970? In 1970. In this movie? In this movie. 95 we're grasping at it.

We're like trying to hold on and it's already gone. 95 were moving more toward Monica Louis. and Howard Stern private parts and Jerry Springer. Cruise or Hanks? I think it's... Thanks. Thanks. Well, I mean, you already made the case for just why not both?

Why not put Cruz in for baking? I like it. Jack would have been fun. Yeah. Fortune 3 Clap Award for Best Giffable Moment. I think it's Harris collapsing after they make it. Oh, really? Well, so...

Like Miami Trades for Yannis and you do the Ed Harris. Well, so... Collaps back. When I read this on the doc not having rewatched the movie, that is what I thought. But I forgot that it cuts away from him for a second and then it goes back to an incredible gift of him doing a double thumbs up straight to the camera. Which if that's not a meme, I mean, that seems like a real like Leo and Gatsby champagne glass. You know, just double thumbs.

Very good. Double thumbs up is within our power to make happen. Yeah. But also is this not, Houston, we have a problem with the subtitle. Is that not just the jiff of the moment? With the face. Because it's straight. You don't even need the subtitle.

That's true. You know. We know what that means. There's a senise, a quiet fist bump that he does too. Okay. That could be in there. Sean Penn, I brought my own pack award. Excellence in on screen smoking.

I just want to honor Ed Harris. Yeah. I thought like those were real cigarettes. Do you want to use the clove cinnamon ones? He's like, fuck no. I'm using the real ones. I thought about the who was made hotter by smoking award for this movie for all of the dudes in the control room who like... Sure.

Kind of have a little aura going on just by like, I mean, yeah. They're doing math for 90% of the movie, and then they just get to, like, rip pipes for no reason. And they pull it out. The cigars at the end are great. Pickin'nits. Speaking of cigarette smoking, not enough.

This is 1970. Everybody in that control room smoking, when they're cut into the house, I think everybody except the kids are fucking smoking. It's just like a smoke fest. Right. In 95, what were the rules in terms of, I think Ron Howard was just trying to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's a lot of, like, people just putting a cigarette out. Mm-hmm. Or people lighting a cigarette but not actually smoking the cigarette. So you mentioned the failures then on option. And in the Houston, we've had a problem. And then people were upset that they had astronauts arguing in the spaceship. The real astronauts were like, what the fuck? We would never argue like that.

That was it. Yeah. Not a lot of nipics. Can I add one parenting nitpick? Letting the smallest child watch the live broadcast where you don't know whether your husband is coming back from space. That's a tough one. I don't know.

He's very young. How old was that kid? I understand. I mean, he's like maybe four? I'm not the one to ask because we took Ben to the Michael Myers where he murdered everybody in the last 45 minutes I went and put a mask on him and he was like three. That's different.

That's not your own, your own dad, and listen, I know it's like in parenting vogue to not hide children from their feelings and they're supposed to feel all this stuff. And like everyone else in the house is there. You're going to have to tell them at some point. But it's essentially like letting your

four-year-old watch his own father's snuff film. If it doesn't pan out, it's like not a memory he wants to have. Just my take. Also, Mary Hayes, they have babies, like two and three-year-olds, and they're all just sitting there all in front of the TV. She got the shaft in this movie.

Yeah. Stuff. Like one scene of her just in the bedroom. She just gets to be pregnant and have a still photo. Yeah. I had one other knit, which is when everyone's getting together for that emergency landing that all the kids are inexplicably at, these two women are walking through the kitchen and they drop a bowl of salad.

And like 10% of the salad falls out on the floor. And they just start putting it back. Yep, yep. This is how the parasite started. 1970. Sequel Preco Prestige TV, I'll Backaster on Tarant This has to be untouchable. Untouchable.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the floor, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, anyone else? Are we allowed to do this without Chris? Well, yeah, I mean, I was just going to say. I'm happy to skip. No, no, no, I mean, I feel.

I'm also happy to do Barney from The Vanishing or any other invitation I have. Chris Ryan does love this movie. And she's, he's not with us. It would be funny to hear him doing Wayne Jenkins as an astronaut. Like, I do think that that could work. When, like, Jack lands the plane?

God damn, Jack. Just one Oscar who gets it, the movie? For Best Picture? Hanks. So you go Hanks over the movie? I mean, I have to lean into my hot take, but I'd be happy if it were the movie.

Just one is not enough. I would say the movie. Movie is good, Hanks is good. I also think adapted screenplay. I'm not here to take anything away from Emma Thompson, but we talked all about like the immortal lines that have come out of this movie. There's so many smart adaptive.

choices. There's so many smart ways that this is like turning a bunch of guys politely arguing in a space shuttle into actual high drama. I think the screenplay is kind of awesome. But if you have to, if you have to pick one, I will take best picture as well. If Braveheart is the competition, sign me up. Yes. Okay. You've sold me. I want so Braveheart's tough because it's hard to separate the Mo Gibson. Why, Mel, why? I'm doing that for a van. But the Mel Gibson of that movie, and if Mel Gibson just has it very normal last 20 years, would be like Braveheart fucking, or did that hurt Braveheart at all? I have no idea. Braveheart is just not as much my flavor, you know?

Like, how much medieval, like, heads chopped off do we need to get? Or fantastical medieval? The interesting thing with Braveheart is, I feel like Thrones and some of this other stuff that did some of these battle sequences at a whole higher level. Yes. So I watch Braveheart now. It feels very 1995 to me. I still like it. I didn't really have any probably in answerable questions

other than did this movie have the most white actors with speaking parts of the last 35 years? It's like 100 white guys with at least one line. I have a more existential one. Yeah. It's really more about your view of the butterfly theory than about this movie. So if Ken Mattingly did not get grounded,

if he's the one flipping the switch, do you believe, does it go down the same way? Or do you think that the universe flips it, you know, one small change to an ocean of whatever? And that led to the oxygen tank breaking. We do this in basketball constantly with shots that went in or didn't go in. Right, right, right, right. If it goes in and then what else? I think that they said at the end that the thing had a two-year issue with this, that it would have happened.

The question is, would he have to, like, what Paxton's point is raising this movie, did he look at the gauge before he flipped the switch? And very cunningly, we don't see what he looks at. Like, they kind of cut away, they come back to it. We just see him flip the switch. Would Ken have caught it if there was like some weirdness going on before he stirred the text? Was Ken the best of the four astronauts is another. Seems very good at his job.

Yeah. I don't know. We think Jim Lovell is, Jim Lovell was back up for Neil Armstrong on Apollo 11. True. But he wasn't Neil Armstrong. He's still a backup. You know? My only other answerable is if

if Cameron had wanted to do this movie instead of Ron Howard, is it better? It's definitely different. And I think he's way more interested in the inside the ship and everything that's going on in there. Yeah. He is usually not content

to let actions speak for themselves. He does, in fact, need to tell you also what they mean. So I think his script would be pretty different or and probably even who he cast. He wouldn't obey the transcript. Yeah.

Actually, Ron Howard was the right director. Yeah. I think he was. Because he's like, I want to do this perfectly. I want to obey the history. We got to get the transcripts right. Yeah. The stuff in the spacecraft is heightened to a degree

that might be like more dramatic. But the stuff at mission control would not be as good or just wouldn't be in the movie as much. And that's, I mean, you need it. You need the counterbalance. Because, you know, the first man. where they really went by the book with it.

And it's kind of like a, I don't know, like kind of a joyless movie. It was good to watch once, but I wouldn't be like, I'm going to crank the first man tonight. I'm going to do it too. Not to skip to double feature,

but I was going to suggest first man as the double feature, mostly in response to all your criticisms of the Kathleen Quinlan character, not Kathleen Quinlan, but the wife character. And if first man, you've got,

Claire Foy, my girl, playing Neil Armstrong's wife, and she yells the immortal, you're just a bunch of boys. But, you know, she's pissed off. She's like, I hope you don't. She's like, you shouldn't go. Like, this is stupid. You're dealing, you know, she's not supportive at all. And then they, there's that last scene where the astronauts get quarantined after they go, which is, I think, another reason that they couldn't extend this movie to the reunion. But they're just staring at each other through that, the quarantine glass.

And you know that they're miserable and that going to the moon didn't solve all of his problems or any of his problems. Does this make you want to watch First Man again? I know. I've never actually seen First Man. Oh, it's wonderful. It's really wonderful. So, yeah, Ryan Gosling, Damian Chazel. Yeah.

Somehow makes space travel even more improbable than this does. Like there's a shot of Gosling in the spacecraft as like the screws rattle on the window. That seemed like, yeah. I just can't fathom how any of this actually. worked. But somehow it did. I love the double feature. Yeah. And it's a good compliment to like, what does it mean to get to do your thing or not do your, you know, to get to go to the moon or not go to the moon and what does that do?

They're, you know, they're about great men. We had Damien on my podcast when he was promoting that movie, not videotaped because I didn't videota anything for three years in my office like a fucking idiot. Yeah. Devil Wars Prada, rewatchables. I thought, not on video. So much not on video because I was like, no, people are more comfortable if there's not cameras. What a fucking genius I was.

The memorabilia you'd most want from this movie. White vest. See, I don't think I could pull off the white vest. I wonder if I could pull off the gold flight jacket. Might just be borderline enough where I could actually rock that thing. So I would love the gold flight jacket. I like the outfits that were wearing at the end after they got rescued. I would definitely take one of those suits.

Okay. The flight suit. I think the answer is probably Jim Lovell's. If you're just going for what's the most valuable thing from this movie that you could own from, like, one of those auction sites, it's got to be the Tom Hanks, like, movie-worn astronaut suit, right? Yeah. That's one, that would be a jaw dropper. I was trying to think of, like, there's anything like a little smaller stakes, though. Like Gary Seneas's sleeveless white T-shirt when he's just banging beers.

Just feeling bad for himself. Watch a dick cavit. He's having a tough night. The beer bottle? You know? The whole system, maybe. This is a tough Dick Cabot cameo where it's like, Ken's hit the lowest point of his life.

He's drinking beer by himself watching Dick Cavett. Well, the bit is like about being a peeping Tom in New York City in the summer, basically. Right. And then also he tries to make jokes about Jack Swaggart, but cannot remember his name or where they're going. It's like this. Yeah. It's what this?

Yeah. Coach Finstock, Mr. Maggi, were a best worst life lesson. Let's work the problem. I was opening my first. phone to read that quote to you. How about your greatest disaster is moments away from being your finest, or is seconds away from being your finest moment, right? The whole, like, if we just get this one thing right at the end, it can invert everything.

Everything can flip just like that. That's what Bill Chisholm said to Brad Stevens says he was approving the Jalen Brown trade. They should have led with that in the press conference. I can't. We can't bring this up right now. I'm not ready for six or something. No, you're not ready? I'm so angry.

We might do a couple. We might do a little sports thing after we finish phone. I'm like so. Hold your thoughts. Okay. My double feature choice was gravity with Sandra Bullock. I like that. Sure.

What do you have? I did The Martian, another like problem solvable. Yeah? Speaking of work the problem, how do we work the problem? How do you get food? How do you get oxygen? How do you get rid of CO2? It's like it's all the same stuff all over again.

Who in the movie? Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Craig. Double feature Rocky 4? Just kind of lean in. Fuck Russia.

Oh, America? Cold War. Yeah, Craig gets it. Double win. I hadn't seen this in probably 10. 10, 15 years, and it aged so well. Like, it's just like a warm hug. I don't know if it's just like where we are now.

It just feel, it was like the 70s or 1970s was like, like you guys were saying, like depicting American idealism. And then even like mid-90s in Hollywood, the fact that they like, I didn't know that thing about the Universal Lake, but they filmed this whole movie in L.A. They like built all the sets in L.A. You have like Tom Hanks, Ron Howard making a space movie in L.A., like with your bare hands. The whole movie is just wonderful and feels incredibly warm. For the last hour, I stood up.

Like I was watching the Knicks come back. I was standing up, just pacing back and forth. I knew how the movie ended. It fully hits in his age so well. It's aged even better now. I don't know if it's that I'm getting older, but like even the tropey stuff with the wife and the kids, I'm like kind of hit for me this time.

I remember not really liking it. Was it the door? The door. I know. This time around, like the door is magic. The three minutes when they're reentering, and it's cutting back and forth to the family and the... And it gets past three minutes?

Yeah, it's like 3.30, 340. No one wants to save. Four minutes. Yeah. I have a re-appreciation for Tom Hanks watching this movie, too. I don't really have a Tom Hanks now. It's just wonderful. Yeah, this movie's age really well.

I like it the most I've ever liked it, like, in the last couple years. It's just for a bunch of different reasons. I was never like, oh, Apollo, I love it. But I always respected it. But now, I don't know. Space Camp when? Springer Space Camp, 15-year anniversary. Yeah, who is Tom?

Hank's now. We don't have like... We definitely don't have one. Kind of sort of gossling, but not really. Even most of these characters and these parts we don't really have anymore. Like the Quinlan part, I was trying to think, like, if they made this now, who is that? Is that Carrie Coon? Is that, like, who plays a part like that? Yeah, they do look alike. But yeah, I mean, I don't know who the...

I can't. It's Gwyneth Poundre's 12. I don't know who the Jimmy Stewart is, because we aren't really making movies with this type of, like, warmth than an optimism, even in the face of things going wrong. Or we are, but there's still Tom Hanks somehow. Yeah, things are just going wrong all the time, and everybody is trying to scam their way through it. Project Hale Mary is probably the right comp right now because it was Gosling. But Gossling still, I don't think, is Tom Hanks.

Yeah. I'll save my thoughts on Project Hale Mary. Okay. It was fine. Okay. Yeah. I'll tell you. That's one where it needed to end 30 minutes before.

and it needed to end as soon as he opened, as soon as he and Rocky saw each other in the ship. That's the ending. And then if you have any of the reunion stuff and now I'm black on the planet, teaching all the Little Rockies and Scholar's. And Sandra Cooler is like old and saying thank you, you know, or amaze amaze or whatever.

It's just a disaster. It's a little hokey for me, the whole movement. I agree. I had a great time. But yeah, we don't need to see the classroom of Rock children. We definitely did not. I didn't see in the theater, so I want to have that caveat.

I saw it at home. It ended and my wife looked at me and said, that was some corny bullshit. But big corny bullshit. Listen, the last 20 minutes are crazy corny, which is why I respect Apollo 13 for ending when it does. You don't need the extra icing on top. It's one of the most millennial movies ever made.

That is true. But in 30 years, we're going to be doing every watchables for it. So I look forward to it. The puppet stuff is good. It's good. The problem now is, Instead of making movies like this, we make movies, these two movies I like that I'm about to say,

but we make movies like the drama and the invite. That's where the creativity is moving. And that's just, people are less interested in making a movie like Apollo 13. That is true. Ron Howard now would be like, I want to make the invite. I don't want to do it. I don't think he or anyone else could get the budget to make Apollo 13, nor would they be able to do vomit comment or anything.

It would just be all CGI. Say what you want about the movies because I agree with you about Project Tell Mary. Is it making Project Tell Mary the current version of making Apollo 13? Sure. Yeah, but it's, I mean, it's the most millennial, annoying movie ever. I agree, and I'm a millennial.

Well, I'm sure there was a... I liked it. I think I even teared up with the rock. You know, listen, I'm a mark for Ryan Gosling being charming, and I guess the Ryan Gosling comp is right in that he's both, he's playing the role, and

much of that movie's charm is him reacting quietly to a puppet. It's hanging with Ryan Gosling. He's surrounded by goofy dumb shit. Yeah. But now he's doing Star Wars and he's doing another thing.

Like to me, the Martian was so much better than Project Kilmeria. I can't even believe it would be compared to each other. I think it's true. No, but I just thought the Martian was a better movie. Like, it's more ambitious. I don't know. When I went back and rewatched it, though,

I had forgotten how corny some of the jokes are in The Martian. Like, let's science the shit out of this, which, listen, Matt Damon can do no wrong in my book. I'm a huge fan. But I was like, oh, this is of its generation. But isn't it? It's the same author, right?

Isn't it the same author? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he spends, is Matt Damon planting potatoes and being a vlogger for two hours? Like, it's a really good movie, but it is corny and isn't deering. A lot of nethering. Completely. Luckily, I'm the best botanist alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or on this planet.

It's a lot of that stuff. You know how easy this is for me? It's a fucking joke. And I'm sorry you can't do this. I really am. Damon's the best. Retainer. Come to the Damon side of Damon versus Leo.

This is white surgeon horseshit. Oh, I'm totally on the Damon side. Come right here. No, that's nuts. It's so obviously Leo. This is ridiculous. That's the boy stuff. Yeah.

You also like when you value Joe L.M.B. It's 40 games a year over. I can't. The guys who play 72 to 80. It's not like Leo is load managing. The guy has made a ton of movies. He's load managing. He's one a year.

Damon's like taking chances. He does cool stuff. Yeah, we bought a zoo with Cameron Crow. I'll try it. And you don't even like the Ocean movies that much. And he's got those on the roster. It's okay. That's fine.

You don't like the Oceans movies? No. No, I like one. I like the 11 is. I really like 11. But he didn't do the, best movie ever made. I didn't do the rewatchables. I didn't like 12.

Yeah. No, I liked 11. just passed it off. That was early in the rewatchables. That's true. And then you made us do 12 for flawed rewatchables, which I was offended by, because I think 12 is the second best sequel ever made after Godfather part two. 12's pretty flawed. They're all good.

I wasn't in four weddings in a funeral. That's Matt Damon line. When they have Julia Roberts, pretend to be Julia Roberts. And it's good stuff. It's revisit it. Yeah, but Project Hill Mary's the corny one. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. It's cool.

I can't believe that. I would have thought you would have not like Project Hail Mary that much. I like it. I can't help it. I'm clutching for some optimism as much as anybody. I want to be intrigued by the stars and the power of friendship with Iraq. I think the Elon autobiography movie is going to be awesome. I can't wait to see who plays

him. Elon's race to get us to Mars. We needed a hero. We finally found one and his 17 kids are watching as he tries to get us to another planet. On that note, Craig Gorobach, thank you. Robin O'Hon, great to see you.

Amanda, great to see you. Thank you for having me. I'm back in the rotation. Me too. Thanks for suggesting this. Thanks for pushing. Thank you for a true pleasure. Thank you for not giving it away.

I'm really happy to be here. And thanks to Tom Hanks. Good to see you guys.