The Rewatchables - ‘Back to the Future Part II’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Cousin Sal

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

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C. B.S. Yeah. S.I. They'll never be a quarterback with initials that makes it. You said that at this table. Oh, I said that with C.J.

C.J. Stroud. One of my worst takes of the decade. C.J. Stroud. I mean, yeah, one of my worst takes to the decade. It's fine. It's fine. You can hear, because it's sound against all odds.

Yeah. You can hear them in less than four months on my podcast because football's coming back. Is that right? Yeah. Less than four months. I looked at it. It's May 10th.

Awesome. Opening night, September 5th. We'll be doing a get. We'll be doing over-unders in three and a half months. This is very exciting, mostly because I don't now have to call baby doll and ask if I was renewed or not. That's great. Coming up, we were going to do a sequel.

Back to the Future, too. We had to have Sal for this as next. You've got to come back with me. Where? Back to the future. Marty and Doc are on a mission. 30 years into the future. Look what happens.

We were tons. But they're about to discover that getting back, That's a complete whim. It's only the beginning. Michael J. Fox, Christopher Law and Michael J. Fox. Mom say you? Back to the Future Part 2. Ready PG.

A brand new future is coming on Wednesday, November 22nd. All right. A movie filmed in 1989 about people in 1985 who traveled to 2015 and then 195 to save life in 1985, but eventually end up in 1885. Yes. That's back to the future. too. It somehow makes sense. Yes, because it's quite an elevator pitch. It moves more to it, we promised.

I really enjoyed rewatching this. I hadn't seen it for a couple years. Seen it a bunch of times it was on the HBO, TNT, Vortex for 15 years. And I think because it gets lumpled back to the future three, they filmed it together. They didn't do quite as well as the first one. Yeah. I actually think it's underrated now, Sal. I know why it's not underrated for you, but do you think it's underrated, Chris?

It was much better than I remembered it. I really enjoy the Back to the Future movies in general, but I hadn't seen two in a while. I feel like I'd seen three, the Western one, a little bit more recently. But this was like, this is pretty delightful. And all the 2015 stuff is uncanny at this point. Yeah, 2015, now nine years ago, that was a tumultuous year for a lot of reasons. The Cubs did not win the World Series.

No, though. But they almost did. Almost one year off, I think. But yeah, and in 2015, October 21st, we were in Brooklyn, came alive. And we did a bit with Christopher Lloyd and Michael J. Fox commemorating this on that day. And they got together and I got to run lines with them. And the obvious reasons, this is one of my favorite movies of all time. That's like a borderline like top 12 career highlight. That's fucking crazy. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Really amazing. Amazing.

And then just like the time machine and I'm not, I don't know what I'm waiting for. Let me just pull this out. I got it. You brought props? I got it. Yeah. I got crazy. You got the old man. I got this. I think four people gave this to me on one of my birthdays. And it's not the reprint? Yeah, but it's got like cricket scores and crap. I got it giddy for a second, Chris.

But nothing, no, nothing we could capitalize off. So that's it. No, I know. When did you get that for your birthday? Probably like 10 years ago. I think I got more, but I try to give them to you guys. We'll put that here for now. Yeah, take that show that.

Kind of being there. Yeah. But I got to say, this is one of my favorite movies. It gives me more anxiety. Blood Diamond, which is an inside reference. But I'll say, I kind of hate you. Blood Diamond makes me anxious. Well, it's some Cowboys PTSD.

Yeah, I cry. Rewatchables is great. The movie's great, but I hate you guys for making me break this down and get through all the nitpicky moments of this. Because I'm coming from a different angle. And it's like because there's 107 categories with what's the Rudy Tom Jonovich knockout. scene that shouldn't have happened.

That's a good one. We should keep that. I like it. I like it. Don't Chonimo, it should knock out. Yeah. So anyway.

I love it. C.R. Did this movie create the multiverse? Did anyone do it before? Like, I think that obviously a lot of sci-fi writers have been working with, like, the idea of, like, butterfly effects and timelines and stuff like that. But I think even, like, Carl Sagan was like, this movie does the best job of explaining the perils of time travel, at least philosophically and ethically.

high praise from Carl Sagan one of the most dynamic guys who ever lived A tough date He's not just throwing praise around easily Like that, you know I think Tarantino once listed The Perfect Movies He said that were like four perfect movies

And he said one, Back to Future one Was one of them One of the perfect movies And so maybe this is a little less perfect But well they I mean there's a lot of reasons for that But one of the reasons you're here Other than you love the Back to the Future franchise

Is The Almanac Which I don't know Did this plant the sea? for you to be a degenerate gambler? Was this it? Because what are you like? How old are you when you see this movie? I was like 14.

Yeah, yeah. I was already in that. You had already started to think about. And then all of a sudden there's this magic potion, basically, to just win every bet. Oh, 18 when this came out, 14, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I don't even know how Marty flying over to the future

isn't thinking about this before he even lays eyes on the gray sports almanacs. Like, this is like when I'm flying to Arizona, And I could play Fandul. I'm six parley's in before I hit the tarmac, you know? So I don't know. I guess we're just wired differently. So this is why I wanted to ask you guys. This is the major philosophical question here.

Yeah. In this movie, the McGuffin, the totem of the movie, is this sports almanac that's helped hopefully brought. You guys are two of the biggest gamblers I know. Yeah. Is there any part of this that's like knowing the results takes away some of the fun? Like, would it take away the deal? juice to just win every bet

because you knew the results. Isn't the whole point to kind of trust your intuition, your like reams of research and thinking about all the different permutations? You want the answer. You want to cheat the test. Well, I know Sal's answer because in round one, he stumbled on bet both teams minus nine and a half and he was winning like 80% of them and I think he just would do it

for the rest of his life. You just want to win bets. I've seen enough games and permutations of games that I'm good with this. But, well, what's your answer for real? Well, my short answer is not all the results are in the book. So you could still gamble on some other stuff. You could just use, build the nest egg with the ones you know are right to bet on the stuff that you don't know.

So you could still get your, your Jones on that. I was going to do this later and probably in answerables, but we can do it now. How many games would you have to throw to keep people off the scent? What's the exact percentage you would want to, would you want to be like? 75%? Before people get suspicious or think you're like a, you know, like a fucking person from the future or literally or you're practicing voodoo or something. What's a normal number?

70%. Right. So first of all, I don't know that I would benefit from this book. Okay. Like, as a freshman in college, I had the answers to an American history exam. It was 200 true, false. And I got a C minus. So I don't know.

And also, like, like, Bill says, you have to. be careful. Otherwise, the casinos will shut you down. Like, if you have this, who do you tell? Do you tell the two of us?

I would probably tell my idiot friend Harry, and they're like, Seasons would happen. I couldn't get in the door. Then he tells somebody. I couldn't bet anyone. And then, Chris,

to your point, then it's the worst. Then you don't want it all. Because now you know the results of all the games. Yes. And you can't benefit. Wouldn't it ruin sports?

Right. Yeah. You just get into like movies from the 1950s. It's Pacers' next game three. And you're like, who cares? I know what's going to happen. Yeah.

I think you have to handle it really carefully, put a lot of thought. So he wins all the money in the races in 1958. And then from that point on, I think he's just picking his spots and trying to go like 17 for 20, every 20 bets, but big bets. Like, I'm going to bet the Dodgers to win the World Series in, you know, 1966, whatever it is. And did they win in 1966? That analogy might not have a word. Or I'll bet the Cardinals in 96, 7.

They beat the Red Sox. I know there was all of that here. and you win that and it's like oh wow he did it again he really likes Bob Gibson right he really did this guy

and we're giving him he knew McCarver would really settle the pitching staff down yeah and we and the movie gives him a lot of credit for being able to thread

this needle that we're talking about how we might not be able to first of all he strikes it big when he's 21 so he has his mitts on this thing for three years this guy doesn't follow any rule in society but he's like you know what I'm going to be cool

I'm not going to bet before I'm 21 and he does it and he pulls it off and that's where he becomes a millionaire the horse races and stuff. Well, and then how did he bet? So horse racing is probably the easiest, but he would have, so we'd had to do like some 20 to 30 to 1 parlay. Yeah, triple or truck track.

Did they have those back in the 50s? Not a lot. Yeah, I guess. For big races they did. Yeah. I thought it was interesting that it's the horse race he wins in the first. I have a lot of the gambling questions coming up. But like I just, the way that he does it, you're right. He would have to kind of throw a couple. Yeah.

Or only bet. like once a year, I'm coming in and I'm betting the Super Bowl and I'm betting the World Series and I'm betting the Kentucky Derby to just make it be like, this guy's just touched, he really knows what he's doing, who knows? Not that many places to make those bets though. Right. Vegas is very early Vegas? Where else?

Does Atlantic City even have sports gaming like that? He's working with- So he's got to do the mafia and the mafia just kills it after a while. Mafia is like, this guy's won 10 straight bets. We owe him $5 million. Kill him tonight. I think so. Yeah.

Like Binions, he's in with Benny Binion, and that's it. I don't know how else he does it. But on the other hand, the Intel isn't as good as like a fandal has it now where they like, hey, keep an eye on this guy. Right. There's first. So maybe he could. Like what they did to Rahim.

That's right. They just sniffed out Rahim and then a couple of football bets. Rehams and back the future four. Trip the Jonté Porter flag. Yeah. Reheme, there's just people following him. Yeah, he dies probably by 1964. Right.

He probably bets on Cassius Clay to beat Sunny Liston. wins that one and the mafia's like take this dude out. I never want to see this dude again. Put a bullet in his head. Might have bet on the election with JFK. Is that in the book? Maybe not, actually. No, it's a sports almanac.

That's the thing. There would be so much you'd want to know outside of like the Cubs winning. Well, the other unanswerable with this, we're jumping ahead because this is a good category, the nitpicks. But like, how did all the, this is 50 years of stuff fitting in this magazine basically? Yeah. Because even when you see the magazine, so you have, like it says, like football scores. I just don't feel like you'll have all the week-to-week stuff. So maybe that would be to answer your question from earlier, how would he have fun betting

on this stuff? There's probably weeks from football and basketball as he's going along where he doesn't know what happened. Yeah. College basketball, baseball, maybe hockey wasn't even in there. Right. And they had a man. I think the original thought was they make it like 500 pages or at least thicker, right?

So it looks plausible. but it has to fit in and out of everybody's jacked. It's jacking on the windshield and everything else. Fiff's got to be as careless as possible with it at all time to drive it. So I asked you guys, from things in a... This is actually the rare case where I sent the question ahead of time. I appreciated that. You're welcome.

Top five things from a movie you'd love to steal in real life and what the rankings are. And is this one of the five? So I wrote, I had four, but what did you have? What did you have for like your top three? I had the Holy Grail from Indiana Jones in the last crusade. I got that eternal life. Now, you are limited. You got to stay within the boundaries of the Alexandria or Alexandria or Alexandretta

where you're like can't go past the seal. But I am under the impression that Sean Connery, they poured on the wound and he comes back to life and everything. So you just wait till you're really in need of that HGH shot. Would you pour that on Embed or would you do it on yourself? you had to pick. I think I'd do it on myself. So selfish. And then the other one that I had was

Peter Brand's algorithm from Moneyball so that we never get advanced stats in baseball. I would steal the algorithm. So that we just still just like, hey, he's just got to dig in and rub some dirt on it. Back to just arguing about Noamar versus versus G nerd with no stats. Yeah.

Noamar wants it more. It was more fun back then. Yeah, it really was. OPS. I don't know how to do math. It's called baseball. Good one. I hadn't thought of that.

What do you have, Sal? I would say... Do you have the They Live glasses? This is in there. They Live glasses is up there, definitely. The Raiders stuff. I don't know. I guess I still don't know about the briefcase and Pulp Fiction.

It just could be affidavits that are lit up or something. I have no idea. Well, why did it light up? We never, I guess we'll have to do the Sirecast to figure it out. In 2027 when you actually... I don't even think this is the most sought-after prop in this movie. Wouldn't you take the DeLorean, right? Oh, I was going to say the time machine.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, you take the pink hoverboard? Oh, the hoverboard's great, too. Yeah. Yeah, pretty sick. But you're not going to get to 1885 in the hoverboard. Like, you can go to any time.

Like, Bill, you like Rome? Oh, you would have loved Rome in 1912. Like, it would have been so much better, you know. The DeLorean's a great answer. Yeah. I think the DeLorean, though, requires a lot of maintenance that I wouldn't have to wear with all to do. So I would be the guy who gets stuck in the Great Depression.

Interesting. Chris would be on his hoverboard going around L.A. and some homeless person would just throw a beer bottle out of and knock him off, he'd be dead. My number one, all great choices. The limitless pill to me is number one. You bring this up a lot. Didn't you just bring this up about Carl Anthony Towns? Like the other day, you were like, he's on the limit of him about Edwards.

Oh, yeah. How everything slowed down for Edwards. Yeah. Yeah, I was doing the analogy of Cooper at the end of that movie with De Niro. Awesome. It's like, there's going to be a car accident right over there. The guy's going to look at his phone. and the car crashes in the door.

It's like, what the fuck's going on? He's like, I see everything, Carl. I would love the limitless pill because I feel like you could also use that for gambling. So I basically get the greatest sports alman. That's right. I can just assess games. I have an IQ of like 220

and the mental energy to just watch seven games at once. I'm crushing the playoffs. The first thing you have to do is immediately start making more limitless pills and that you will now have an addiction to the limitless pill. That's fine.

Okay. It's like the movie YouTube channel ringer and the basketball YouTube channel. That would be your life. You just got to have a lot of YouTube channels. Let me throw in a wild card. The salad in when Harry met Sally. The orgasm salad. Meg, those are noises I haven't heard in years.

You might want that. Or the pill. So how would you handle the almanic? You're not telling anybody? You'd have to tell Harry. I don't think you can. I don't think you could tell anybody. She's just secretive.

wouldn't want to be friends with me because I think I would ruin the games for you. You want to see the results. We'd be watching a lot of like preseason because there wasn't in the omit. This would just be incredible for guess the lines. You would get so fucking mad. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. I don't know, Bill. I just be reading South's face. Do you think you'd quit guest lines? If you were just like, that's it, I don't want to do this anymore. Well, Sal do all the answers. We'd have to quit guess lines. I would still lose guess the line somehow to you. No, even knowing everything. Sounds like, I have the week one results.

What the hell? They're still losing. Things this movie predicted in the future. Rejuvenation clinics. They have those now. Holograms that come out, like that Jaws 19 holograms. We have versions of that. We had Dead Tupac on a stage at Coachella.

The scenery channel, which seemed like kind of a goofy thing to have in the movie, but now people have those, right? They'll just like a TV like that. Yeah. It's just like it's showing like the Niagara Falls. house, yeah. FaceTime video chat systems. So I always thought Total Recall created this, but Total Recall is a year after.

The concept of just dialing somebody up on your giant TV and talking to them. I don't know if that had been in a movie before this movie. Yeah, they also do when Marty's kid comes home, Marty Jr., he turns on six different channels at once, which is basically like, I'm going to have my phone. I'm going to have my iPad and I'm going to have TV. You're doing that now. Yeah, Ben Simmons did that last night when he came home. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that was meant in the movie to be this funny thing about how chaotic the future would be.

And I watched it. I'm like, oh, that looks like Tuesday night at Benzroom. So, Robert Zemek, as the director, was like, I really didn't want to do much stuff in the future. Because I find that most movies that try to predict the future, you know, are basically, like, so off that it winds up dating the film. Yeah. And instead, he fucking nailed it. Like, in some ways, like, if they had spent more time in 2015 in this movie, it would have been, I would have loved it because, like, he got. got so much of it right. I mean, there's even also, like, with Jaws 19 and, like, just all the

franchising of culture, having Michael Jackson and Richard Nixon and, you know, Ayatollah Kamani and Ronald Reagan in the diner or whatever, like, as, as waiters, you know, like, all this stuff, the idea of, like, taking our nostalgia and selling it back to us. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. ubiquitous cameras. That's in there. Unman flying drones. I don't think we'd ever consider that in 1989. The flat panel TVs. I feel like we probably felt like that was coming, but they

certainly didn't exist in 1989. Hands free video games, I don't think I'd ever thought about that before this movie. We're like, I forget when the Wii came to be, like, mid-2000s. Wearable technology, this movie has that. Fingerprint, scanners,

yeah. Payment on personal devices. we didn't have that in 1989. And then the self-lacing Nike's, I feel like they have those now, right? Well, they did the mags, the Nike mags, and I think they go for like 30 grand now. So like they did a limited edition of them.

I don't know if they, I don't think they self-laced. So what's the most impressive prediction to you sell? I don't know those things I listed. I think the hologram would be like, what the hell? What are we even looking at? Yeah, how they didn't even know what I think about that. I'd love to see the Jaws 19 one

where it actually scares the crap out of you. I think we need to work harder on that. But I do feel bad. Like the flying cars, to your point, I think he had to put that in there, but it really is so far off. Yeah, but like, we have like automated self-driving cars. Are we probably not that far from like in your lifetime, there will be flying cars. There'd be so many accidents. So many.

And such a far. Yeah, the cars would have to bounce when they fell. Yeah, I had for biggest misses, flying cars, hoverboards. We still don't have those. Although we do have those weird segways. Self-drying jackets, never seen that. idea. Automatic dog walkers sounds great.

Like, sign me up if we can ever figure out that piece. Because we have those little things that deliver, those little delivery. Isn't the whole ritual for you is to go take the dogs for a three hour walk after a self-exhaust? I can't take Murph anywhere. Merth's angry. Really? Yeah, he's COVID damaged. Doesn't really like people that much.

Murph has PTSD from the pandemic? We didn't socialize him enough. He hates everybody. It's the first angry golden retriever. Get him together with Einstein. in this movie. Hydrated pizza? Yeah.

You would have probably had the Black and Decker hydrator. I think for everybody, for the kids, right? Yeah. Just on the road. You cannot make dinner quick enough for the kids.

It's a funny bit when she's got the little bag in there. We're never going to be able to eat all that. Right. I feel like they could have done mac and cheese too for that. Yep.

It could have been chicken nuggets. I could have had more food. And then the other miss was the Cubs winning the 2015 World Series against the Miami Gators who did not exist in 1989.

boat had them in the American League so that was a miss and then I kind of like the Miami Gators as a name but that was pretty strong they should change it yeah maybe like 1,200 people show up if they change it. bump it up another 100 so

hashtag gator culture you like that gator culture Zemeckis only agreed to do the sequel of Fox and Lloyd returned as well and then as Chris mentioned did not want to make it blade runnery wanted to make it fun and more goofy. It's kind of like more Epcot Center meets

a shopping mall. Yeah. Yeah. That said, for a sequel, this has, I think, the most not unreturning, not returning, like, you know, second level cast numbers. They lost a couple of the actors through negotiations and other things in the process. But I remember, you know, at the end of Back to the Future one, it says to be continued, right?

Like there is like an illusion to the idea that there's going to be a sequel. But one of the things that's funny about two is that they shot it in conjunction with three. They shot it and like there's great stuff. By the way, me and Sal, our generation, was very aware they were filming the two movies simultaneously and I'm not really sure how we knew that.

No, I don't know where that. But I definitely knew they were making that maybe Michael J. Fox mentioned and I'm like Letterman or something. Yeah, and he was also making family ties during this. He was like one of the all-time like Tom Tibino salutes Michael J. Fox for playing 48 minutes. Right. He's shooting family ties during the

and Back to the Future at night and making two Back to the Future movies back to back. For like a year. Yeah. And when you get to the end of Back to the Future 2, it ends with a trailer for Back to the Future 3. And that was the first time

when I saw this in the theaters. I remember being like disappointed. Well, that was the recurring theme of that, of that reaction. Everybody was like, what the fuck? This isn't, what, what? Yeah. And one is so perfect.

It's like a perfect little box He fixes the future by fixing the past He's got his girl He's got his truck It's perfect And then there's like Oh yeah He's gonna go running

Running off into the future Or past again Like Doc is So this is the first experience I had with being like Man maybe I don't know if I want more of this Like I And especially at the end of two

You're like So now he has to go back to the past Now he has to go to the list It's the anti-sopranos Right it's yeah they should have met in the middle somewhere sopranos fades to black like no maybe I want more but what what the

and this is like oh hold on a second let me just take this movie in before we go to 1885 and meet uh Biff's you know terrible western you know version of themselves yeah do you like three or no I like two more than three yeah I'm not a huge fan of three yeah I can't remember the last time I watched him I really like Steamberger you always hate him

I just had the Wild West it's like I always feel like it's corny when they try to put stuff in there. There's something kind of childlike about the sequels to me where they don't really feel like stories. They're like continuing adventures of these characters doing time travel stuff. But one is like I need, like what if I could help my parents? You know, what if I could save my parents somehow?

Yeah. Make their lives better by going back and changing at this one crucial moment. And instead, when you keep adding on to it, it's like, well, it is every moment somehow crucial. Like if you fix this and you fix that, you fix this, but then this, this and this happens, which is probably accurate to the ideas of time travel, but for storytelling,

it's like you want the idea that, like, your dad has to punch Biff at the dance. And that's how, like, his life changes. That was the hinge moment of his life. Yeah. Also when Marty created rock and roll. That's right. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I do like how, going back to going back to going from one movie to the other to the other, like how important it was to pick it up right where one and to, like, Yeah, it starts the next second. I was like, oh, my God, I'm exhausted. I've been through the equivalent of a thousand red eyes. Yeah. And Doc Brown has to fly right in at that moment.

He's like, can we do this in like three days? I know. Can I just catch my breath there? I haven't taken a dump since last week. I just got to take a dump. I mean, you're getting dehydrated. 10 minutes. And by the way, can you just tell me what to do?

Do we have to travel? Like, we have one ending where they're handing where they're handing a letter. Read this in 30 years. Yeah. But I have to jump on with my girlfriend and travel back. Ebert said that only Russ Meyer was the only other filmmaker by this point in 1989 who ended a movie with a coming attractions for the next movie.

But people didn't like it. It made people mad, and the third movie didn't do nearly as well as the second movie, which didn't do it as well as the first movie. There's some good research in this about how they landed on going back to 1955. Initially it was supposed to be 1967. They decided they were going to be protesters.

they decided that didn't work. Well, it was also because George and Lorraine would have been too old to be like hippies. They decided on 55 Crispin Glover, we'll get to later, starts hijacking them for money.

That gets fucked up. All of a sudden now, they do 85 in 2015 and then the end going back. As Chris said, he wanted to make the future like a nicer, goofy or happy place, not like a crazy place.

the writer of this movie I think is what's his name Bob Gale he said they took inspiration from Donald Trump for 1985 Biff What? Yeah

I knew it was some kind of casino owner abhorrent You know just braggard tyrant but I thought Steve Wend Yeah I figured He's one of the Furtitas

No How many movies says How many movies says Trump Somehow I mean like yeah I feel like this is the fifth one we've done. The other thing is they had, and it just doesn't seem like a big deal now,

but it was then that industrial light magic with the ability to put Michael J. Fox three different ways in the same scene. Until 1989, if I'm doing a scene with Sal, but Sal's playing me, doing my voice, you want to do my voice?

Okay, all right. Sal, they would have had to cut it, film it. They would have had to, like, shop. Make it like a tree. Right. Nobody calls me. chicken. Right. So then

they just were able to do this so much easier after this. And that's where we went. Michael J. Fox it's almost over here for him as a movie star. He had casualties of war came out one month earlier with the John Pan, Brian Topama, good Vietnam movie.

Not a feel good movie. No. And then he had this in three. We're about a year and a half away from Doc Hollywood in the hard way, so. And then kind of does this. I think he gets the MS diagnosis at some point.

He probably has something. He goes back to TV for a while. But he keeps that secret, goes back to Spin City. But this is... This is before he was diagnosed and there's talk about how he couldn't negotiate the hoverboard

because of the early stage and balanced us. Yeah, but they didn't realize what it was. I mean, this is a nitpick. I'll just do it. He's too old in this movie. And so is Elizabeth Shoe.

Like, it's all of a sudden the 90-2-0 theory. of like you guys are sophomores in college but I and Z earrings 35? It may have made sense if they had just been like it, yeah, it should have been Marty is in at UCLA or whatever. Yeah, I would have fast forwarded it.

Or even like he could have been a young adult. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think that would have been a better idea, but Zemeckis was so adamant about starting it from the moment. Right. That it took off that he recat. They had to recast Claudia Wells.

Yeah. Is that her name? Yeah. That's Jennifer. With Elizabeth Shoe. and they do a shot by shot remake of the ending for part two. Yeah, well, the last 30 minutes is just

the end of Back to the Future reshot from different characters, POVs. Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if Semekas would do that over again. Well, so the Fox Point, you're just up against the thing that I think also kind of happened to Matthew Broderick,

where, and to some extent, yeah, I think I would leave it at those two more. And Craig. I was going to see QZAC, but QZek hat goes deeper into his, like, late 20s and early 30s, of just like you have this essential boyish charm. And as you grow out of it

and probably make different choices for the kind of movies you're doing, you know, obviously you've got a legion of actors coming up behind you who are doing the Ferris Bueller and Marty McFly parts now. And they just never graduate into the angry young man,

middle-aged man kind of roles. And obviously Fox's illness had a lot to do with that. But he, I think, was also... Well, he also looked young and he was... Yeah. Yeah.

But you also, you have to, that's why you have to shoot these quickly, right? Like if there was a Ferris Bueller's sequel, they're like, all right, let's get on this now. He's going to start looking older. And those kids are like, you know, they look like. Stranger Things is a great example. Euphoria is another good example. Yeah. Where there's just no way those kids can be in high school now.

They're going to the late 20s then. All that said, and everything he's been through Michael J. Fox, he looks better. The 2015 Michael J. Foxx, the actual Michael J. Foxx, looks better than Marty McFly in 2004. They like age him and he's great and everything else. Yeah. Aging stuff. Looks pretty good.

I like the Cusack point because he was in high school movies in like 1982 and then in say anything, he's back in high school in 1989. Yeah. That was just the era where we just cheated with stuff like that. Well, Greece made it all. Open the top. He's 33-year-old seniors in high school. True stocker chaining.

$40 million budget made $332 million. Third highest grossing movie of 1989, which was a movie. movie year that was super fun and also a good kind of snapshot of where movies were going. A lot of sequels, a lot of big spectacles go with a lot of promotion and maybe the script wasn't there. This is, I think the year, maybe another 48 hours, this year or next year is Fletch 2. And they were making this and it's like Bob Gale's finishing two while Zemeckis is shooting three.

It's like kind of what you see a lot with like big blockbusters today where it's like, look, we got these actors for this window. We got to do it. We'll fix the script while we're doing it. We'll fix the script in post. We'll fix the script. And you know it was missing in 1989. Cocaine.

It's like in 83, you could do it. Tell Bob, like, send him a bag and he can put something out. Could they show Biff doing a line in the hot tub and they're in a hot tub scene or something? He should in them Tony Montana. Yeah. Roger Ebert three stars. Back to the Future Part 2 is an exercise in goofiness. an excursion in various versions of the past

and the future is so baffling even the characters are constantly trying to explain it to each other he had some complaints and then said and yet the movie is fun mostly because it's so screwy yeah they have these pretty long expository scenes

all the way down to having a chalkboard to explain time travel but then all the action scenes and all the comedy is basically like Buster Keaton it's like almost slapstick comedy like that which I kind of miss. Like, we'll get to rewatchables after the break,

but like that whole 20-minute sequence of him just trying to get the magazine back, I feel like they don't do that enough in movies anymore. Or just like, oh, man, he's got, oh, he almost got, oh. Now he's stuck under the desk. And the music helps us seeing. That was all great. Yeah. You're just the whole, and I know it's going to happen, but the whole time, I'm like,

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Would you put the shot by shot remake of the ending? Because I would not. Oh, yeah. You would? Yeah. The last half hour of this where it recreates back to the future. No, no, I'm saying

at the beginning of the movie. Oh, at the beginning of the movie. Oh, not really. Yeah, I wouldn't either. I started with Marty putting on the self-lacy Nike's, which gives us, you get to see Downtown Hill Valley in 1985.

He gets to see Biff's grandpa. The nostalgia store with the Perrier. Yeah, yeah. The Cafe 80s, which is hilarious. Two McFly's in the Cafe 80s. We got a hoverboard chase. Really strong seven minutes, though. Specifically, I thought the Cafe 80s was great.

But I also love that stuff. You brought up Humaney and Reagan and MJ or waiters and just the video game. We see Elijah Wood, right, as a kid. Yeah, there and that. And Marty, most importantly, in that scene, the, hey, Griff, look, doesn't work. What did you call me, Griff? Chicken! McLeod!

Nobody. calls me chicken it's like the crane kick and kid too like oh boy what do we do now this is not happening do you do that to you when did your sons realize

that you were tricking them they do it to me now I did that to Ben for four years of like what did you get on your shirt you look down and yeah it's stopped working around age 11 it'll be one of the reasons

he puts me in a home the uh Cafe 80s. I was going to do this later, but we have so much for a later, I'll do it now. I just don't know why there's,

why did we get bubble gump shrimp company and all that? Like, why didn't we get Cafe 80s? How was that not a chain restaurant? I'm kind of shocked. What the fuck is everyone doing? You would have the weight staff could be dressed like in cool 80s clothes. You would have like kind of like maybe you have like throwback soft drinks. And they just serve cheeseburgers and pizza.

Like what's the hard part about this? Why Johnny Rockets? Why did Johnny Rockets sail up into the sky, but Cafe 80s just died? You wouldn't have gone to Cafe 80s in Manhattan Beach? I took the kids' Cafe 80s last thing. We would do this from Cafe 80s. We would do the rewatchables. Playing Duran Duran, Drinking of Pepsi, you know?

Yeah. Can we, we could, by the way, you could open a Cafe 80s. Want me do it? All right, fine. I'll do it. We'll talk after. I really enjoy this 7, 8 minutes, though. And also, like Zemechis, they spent two years building the different sets.

may be a little bit different than most people. Yeah, probably Johnny Marr would have been in there. People would be like, who's that? Is this a shrine to lend by us? What is this? Why is Letterman and Chris Elliott two of the waiters?

Bruce Jenner. Rewatchable, next one. Marty buys the Grey's Sports Almanac. It's not a long scene. Yeah. But it's great. The dust jacket stuff. Go get it.

Go get it. And then Doc just fucking cockbox it. I didn't know. invent the time machine for financial gain. What's this? Uh, it's a souvenir. Fifty years of sports statistics. Hardly recreational reading material, Marty.

Well, hey, Doc, and what's the harm to bring it back a little info on the future? Now, maybe we could place a couple bets. Marty! I didn't invent the time machine for financial gain. The intent here is to gain a clear perception of humanity. Where we've been, where we're going, the pitfalls, and the possibilities, the perils, and the promise. Perhaps even an answer to that universal question.

to that universal question. Why? Hey, Doc, I'm all for that. What's wrong making a few bucks on the side? I am going to put this in the trash. Settle down, Doc. Like, maybe get some friends your own age. Delorians don't buy themselves, man.

Yeah. And then they saved, knocked out Jennifer, who I have some thoughts on in different categories. Next scene, Marty returns to 1985. His house is gone. We get to meet Biff Tanner's pleasure paradise. this version of the future is from what I could tell bikers strippers casinos and gambling is this your favorite version of the

I love it it's just a mess as car crashes and fires and like fights actually they shot at three blocks from the Spotify studio yeah two days ago three blocks yeah 40 feet right outside this office yeah it's pretty great it's funny that the bum is the only one who's not affected for life to life it's right it's the only one the whole movie it doesn't It doesn't matter what they'll happen. Something nice.

So we learned Biffco created legalized gambling. Yeah. Yeah. Great job by him. Very smart. Yeah. Yeah. And then got bought by Patty Power,

merged with Fando Sportsbook. Next scene, Marty confronts Biff about the almanac. November 12th, 1955, that was when? November 12th, 1955. That was the day that went back. That was the day to the famous Hill Valley Lightning Storm. You know, your husband? History.

Very good. I'll never forget that Saturday. I just picked my car up from the shop because I'd rolled it in a drag race a few days earlier. I thought you crashed into a manure truck. How do you know about that? My father told me about it. Your father?

Before he died. That's where we get it. We go into the casino. We get the safe. Biff, this is probably the best version of Biff, of all the Biff's we get in this movie. There's a couple, I thought, 1985,

or 2015 Biff kind of dialed it up. Yeah, I was going to save that for overacting. Yeah, yeah, I think it was pretty clear who's winning. Pretty clear who's winning the overacting work. Biff, though, in this, he goes back to he's like, I'll find it. We must find out what the precise date, where he was handed the almanac.

Is Biff smart enough to remember the precise date that was October 12? Like, yeah, I don't know, it was a freaking Saturday. Right. September 55. That hell do I know. Yeah. That whole scene with Marty and Bibb where he's like,

ah, you know your history. I'm just like, this doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would care of us. By the way, he was four. If you do the math when George was murdered,

he was four years old, Marty when he told the story about Biff and the manure. Right. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. How do you, where do you stand on Marty

ascending to the top of a very dangerous building? The Doloreans hovering underneath and just kind of. It's a great move. Casually. dropping? Yeah.

Like, you really have to have some, like, I don't know if David Blaine tries that. Right. Try to think of people that would do that. You really have to be coordinated. That would be a way to, and open your cafe 80s is to have David Blaine recreate the Marty McFly fall off the roof onto the Delorean. That's good. I would be scared to do that if the DeLorean was four feet below and just jump.

But he did it perfectly. Well, yeah, I think our friend Brad would do it, but only by accident. It would just, like, fell in a spiral off. off the roof. But you also have to consider that there's like a lot of attempted murder going on with Biff's lovable character.

Also a lot of confessing the murder. This is the same gun that killed your dad. Right. Biff's showing young Biff the Ammanac's power. But you a million bucks UCLA wins at 19 to 17. What are you deaf? Old man, he just said it was over.

You lost. Oh, yeah. Come, Decker with a kick. It's up. It looks good. All right, Pops, what's the gag? How did you know what the score was going to be? I told you, it's in this book.

All you got to do is bet on the winner and you'll never lose. With the UCLA 1917 game, Jim Decker with the winning field goal. That was a real game. Sal, in a previous life, had the other team, May 2. Lost that one. Come on, you heard. The guy said, it's over. What are you talking about?

The two docs interacting is short, but super fun. I presume you're conducting some sort of weather experiment. That's right. How did you know that? Oh, I happen to have had a little experience in this area. Yes. Well, I'm hoping to see some lightning tonight, although the weatherman says there's not going to be any rain.

Well, there's going to be plenty of rain, all right, winds, hunter, lightning. It's going to be one hell of a storm. Well, thanks. Nice talking to you. Maybe we'll bump into each other sometime and get in. future or in the past when he shows up and he's got to pretend that i was like when people because they had already established you don't want to see each other but yeah in back to the future one apparently in that scene there is a guy walking down the street so which they said was an

intentional was not intentional but they never they never thought they're doing a sequel really really all right but doc who is such a rule follower in this thing right no we must not break the continuum time continuum oh if jennifer she's her future self she's gonna go crazy there's too options here. He's practically nose to nose with the other dog. Yeah, he's basically helping the guy invent time travel. He's not playing it safe. Right. I liked your doc voice. That was pretty solid. Run for it,

Marty. Marty trying to get the Almanick back from Biff and Strickland in Biff's car, which also has the recreating recreated the original prom sequence, a good car chase, a great 50 minutes. I think this is my favorite part of the movie. Really?

Yeah, I'm going to go to this for most rewatchable. Yeah, I got this for most rewatchable thing, too. It's just really good. It's just really good. It's also like, you know, there's a degree of like almost necrophilia to like revisiting it and everything, but like to do it so creatively. Yeah. And have like scenes from back to the future, which by this point is like, by 89, back to the future is like kind of a classic. Oh, it's an iconic 80s movie. And to have it be like, oh, like what if like we're shooting it from the perspective of like behind the car where this is all happening or from a window across the courtyard from where this is all happening?

it's so inventive. I feel like it was on HBO for like three straight years back to the future. So by the time this came out, we knew all the beats of that dance scene. And even now watching it, I couldn't figure out

how much was shot new, how much was old, how they merged it. Right. So when you see crisping Glover and the telescope type thing, oh, is that? Did they have to read?

Did they have other shots when he's playing guitar? Were they using shots from the first? Was that generally well received in the moment were people okay with them going back and retinkering with like a classic? Were people upset about that?

I think there seemed to be a general disappointment in that they basically redid back to the future one and then the closing credits I think were the two things. Yeah, and I think that this is like, that would be something. I mean, they do this in the Avengers Affinity War and Endgame when they're jumping around time. Like they shoot, reshoot classic Marvel scenes

from those perspectives. It became standard to do that, but at the time, I think it was like, wow. So like, but this was like actually, you got to remember, like, the Star Wars movies, the Raiders movies, this. This was our first real experience, I think, with like, Blockbuster franchise. Yeah, you're right. And the idea that the story would, you'd have to wait a year or two to get the end of the story. You know what else I noticed?

I went back through all, because I have all the premier magazines for 89 and 90, and they never did it back to the future, two or three feature. but they had this giant Michael J. Fox was on the cover of the November 89 one for casualties of war and it kind of alludes back to the future. But it corroborated some of the research, which is that they tried to keep this so secret what was going to happen and not spill too much

that I think it actually kind of backfired in them because then when people saw it, they had no idea that it was basically just a two-part movie. And I think that was our reaction when we saw in the theater too. It's like, I don't know what I thought back the future three was going to be, but I didn't know

it was like basically a seven-month intermission. Yeah. And it was a two-part movie. I think people were disappointed. And it was a love story. Yeah. We kind of avoided that part of it. But by the way, if you guys say this is your favorite scene, they cut a few minutes

out of that, that when Strickland goes back to the office. He is furiously masturbating to Ula-L-Lam, and they took that out. You didn't see that part? We got the director's guy. They didn't, they had NC-17 back down, but they said it was a hard arc. That was when Byron Mayo was going to come into this. The parties under the desk.

Oh, no. Oh, Principal Strickland is. Get out to Luburnum. Put your slacker away. What's age the best? What was your favorite scene then? You didn't tell us. Most rewatchable for you.

No, I said the 80s cap. I just want to throw out there that's really good is the failed future McFly's. So, like, that's the failed future McFlies. So, like, that's the Pizza Hut. That's Michael J. Fox playing his father, right, himself, his son, and then his sister. Yeah. Which is, I was like, I learned that last night. I was coming up in a category.

Okay. So I thought I really enjoy it. That's got like the descending fruit tray and everything. Yeah. Descending fruit tray is fun. Yeah. I didn't have that. Yeah, you're right. That should be in there. That's a candidate of kids calling for fruit at dinner.

That was pretty funny. that freaking thing would rot in the top of the Oh my god For months In such bad shape I've had cattle up there since April Come on you gotta have some Would stage the best

All the guesses about the future we mentioned Any movie that starts with Steven Spielberg presents It has my attention So October 2015 Marty goes back to the future in this movie We did the first episode The Bill Simmons podcast

October 1st 2015 that month Yeah No way Yeah That was when we launched That was when you and Greenwald started doing the watch. Yeah. Started cranking at the ringer podcast that work.

I would say almost definitely a coincidence. Let's do it. Alan Sylvester's score. I had this. This was actually, I think. This was the background music for the Universal Studios. Oh, yeah. Backlott tour in Florida.

Yeah. And so, like, I just would hear this when I would go to that, like, for 12 hours. This is going to say. I'm funny to be at what stage the best, but the lack of chemistry, sexual attention, or really any reason for Elizabeth Shoe and Michael J. Fox to be together. It's hilarious. Tranquilizer after 45 seconds. No idea why she's in this movie, why she took the part. All she does is basically sit next to them for a little bit and then pass out. We think that these movies are so carefully orchestrated and planted. So much about it is so

well crafted. But Bob Zemeckis was like, yeah, if I thought about it for more than five minutes, I probably wouldn't have started the next second. Yeah. Right. I wouldn't have Jennifer get into the car. Yeah. And by the way, very, very, I don't know, again, the stickler to rules and the three of them, they're in there, no seatbelt, lapping it together.

Right. Not good. And I think he brings it up to Doc later on. I was like, why do we even bring Jennifer? He actually asked to say that. He's like, I had to do something. Yeah. Right.

Zemeca said the only films he liked that try to predict the future were Stanley Kubrick. Yeah, 2000-1 o'clockwork, right? So he decided to make it funny, which I think is a woods age the best, because I just don't think anybody ever thinks to do with that. That's what I have written down. They showed Marty Pity on the Nike Air Mag! Tennis Shoes. Well, Hyperdunk Supreme came out July 2008.

Fans immediately dubbed them the Air McFly. And they filed a patent for self-lacing shoes in 2009. So that whole idea aged really well and made Nike money somehow. the Jaws 19 trailer I have for what's age the best the oceans are disappearing and to save their home the sharks must attack

this time it's really really personal really good what else do you have somebody I actually went through and teased out what all 19 Jaws movies would have been about and a lot of them

were kind of rocky movies basically like Russian shark versus American shark I have the Alvin Sylvester scores would age the best would you have Did you have Max Spielberg

directing the show Oh yeah I had I think you hit on it. Well, first of all, Michael J. Fox age is the best because, like I said, in 2015, he looked better than what they portrayed him. I think the jokes still hold all the future jokes. Like, oh, man, well, it's all in the past. No, it's in our future. I still get it. And I love the terminology. I still love slacker. I really think slacker. We should use it more. It should

replace the R word. And I think we'd be okay with it. Yeah. It's just as good, you know. I like that slack. Good note. Good note. Yeah. Good notes. Thank you. Great chat order or where would you have Most cinematic shot, Chris? I just had all this stuff for the hoverboard Because when you go and look The hoverboard getaway as a sequence But especially like the shots behind

The hoverboard racing And it's like racing with him And the fact that half of that was practical And they built these harnesses to swing guys around on It's just like man, we used to really make shit I really like I don't know where to put this I should have put him what stage the best

But the shot when the guy's hanging on the car and they look up and like the tunnels coming and you're just going to get decapitated unless you figure out. That's a big Raiders thing. I don't think that's ever not worked. Fast and Furious has done it a few times. Dennethives Benihana Award for

scene-silling location. Cafe 80s, right? Yeah. Could be Cafe 80s. Could be Biff's pleasure parents. I don't know. Bikers. Strippers.

Gambling? I don't know. It's probably a tie. Kid Cuddy Presid Happiness Award Best Needle Drop. That's got to be beat it in the cafe 80s, right? I can't drive 55 outside of the casino. Oh, that's good.

Sammy Hagar. That's better. You're right. Yeah. Big Cooner Burger where our best use of food and drink, the hydrated pizza. I don't know, unless you guys can top it. I was just glad Marty ate something in the movie. We never saw him eat or take a dump or pee or anything.

They had a Pizza Hut, like, food technician on set to, like, properly make the pizza, apparently. I really like that detail. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Would that pizza get finished in your house? finished. It's finished in the trash. Like how many pieces for Harrison? Yeah, I think it would.

Like what? Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. The Vincent Chase Award. Are we sure this character was actually good at his job? This is a great one. Jeffrey Weissman. Oh, as fake Crispin? He played fake Crispin Glover and just had prosthetics. I have no idea if he's a good actor. His IMDB is pretty sparse.

Does he tell people he killed it in the back to the future two scenes? I just literally don't know if he was good. He was such a great character and won and they marginalized them and there he is flying you know, entering upside down. It's like, oh, this is just a comic book. Well, that leads us to the Butch's girlfriend award for Weak Link of the film. The Crispin

Glover Frankenstein situation. Yeah, it's tough. It's brutal. In a movie where the female lead gets tranquilized for the first third of the movie, this guy is still the Weeklink, yeah. Right. They used previously filmed footage. They used

our guy Jeffrey Weissman. He had Glover prosthetics. They placed them in the background for some scenes. They hung them upside down. They put sunglasses on him. And then Glover filed a lawsuit. And it ended up being this

like really important lawsuit. Yeah. That affected the future movie. So he felt like he was getting lowballed for the offer for the second one. But he was also apparently... Well, he's also nuts. Well, he was fucking lunatic.

Yeah. I was watching the Letterman episode when he karate kick Letterman. Letterman just walked off. Crazy shoes. Yeah. Letterman just walked off. But also a genius.

Also, he's all over the place when you ask him how much he was offered, how much he turned down. I think the story changed like five times. Yeah, it sells around $150,000. He sues and gets $765,000. And he never showing up. But his career is killed. But he makes up with the, he was in Baywolf.

He was in Zemeckis's Baywolf. Bay Wolf, yeah, he came back for it. In 2007. But the thing is also is like he, he did shoot his mouth off about how he felt like the philosophical message of the movie towards the end is like of the end of one. Yeah. Is that the thing that will change everything is if your parents are rich. And that's what makes it.

And he's like, it should be love. It shouldn't be money. So. America's like, I don't want to argue with you every take here. He's like, I'm inventing fucking hoverboards. How about that?

Also, Chris Ben Glover are not really interested in your opinion. Big picture thoughts on my movie. But the movie suffers by not having George. It suffers. It really hurts. Yeah. George in the first film. is Marty being like, I love my dad, but I'm also revolted by my dad, so I have to fix my dad.

It's a father-son movie the first one. So then Doc kind of fills that void. But to me, it's like, it's the torn ACL of the movie. It was still able to play, but it's just... If you ever replace the weak link, it should be the torn ACL of this movie. The Butch's girlfriend becomes the torn ACL? Maybe we try to figure out what the injury is. The Joel N.

Because sometimes it could just be like a sore neck. But in this case, this is like a torn ACL or like a Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons microdicectomy back injury. All right, so we all agree that's the week. What's age the worst? I mentioned this earlier, but the impact of the same actor playing two characters in one scene, technology, which we're just used to now, but 1989, it was groundbreaking. So just that groundbreaking has aged the worst because it's hard to explain.

What do you have? I have some. So I wanted to cite a review I read when I was going through for research. This guy, Jonathan Rosenbaum, is a great movie critic, wrote a piece for the Chicago reader at the time. It's a really short review. But he's kind of like, the first movie had was cool. Like, Marty was cool, and he was a rocker, and he was rebellious. And this movie is kind of a dork who spends most of it helping a guy explain time travel.

Yeah. And he's like, this movie is a little bit nerdy and geeky. And the first movie is like fun and cool and rock and roll. Yeah, and Marty's cool. Yeah. And this movie, like, I think what's age the worst is like, after a while I'm like, all right, guys, like enough with the fucking science talk. Like, do something fun.

You know what you mean? So basically this movie is a parallel to Major League Baseball. Exactly. This movie is Moneyball. Yeah. I think the original premise, I hate to say it, because I had no questions about it for much of my life. And then I'm like, this is kind of dumb.

This really is. Doc had just gone back and instead of taking them and, you know, tranquilizing her, if you just said, like, hey, you need intense therapy about this chicken stuff. Yes. That's it. Oh, my God. Just go to a therapist and get this chicken stuff out of your head. I had this later, yeah. You're very, very focused on not breaking the time continuum until someone calls you a chicken. Oh, by the way, Doc is waiting for you on the roof. Hurry the hell up. What are you doing? So just get this out of your head. Well, ultimately, what's the premise of this movie? He's got to be. bring Marty to the future because his kids are annoying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What are our kids? Are we assholes? By the way, they weren't that. Whose kids aren't annoying, by the way? Jesus. How about this? Don't let him hang out with Biff or Gryff or anything

that were wrong with that. Just get away from the tannins. Maybe move. Yeah. I mean, it's probably smarter to be like, we have to go back in time and just kill Biff. Kill the first Tannen, whoever that is. Yeah. Kill Grandpa Tannin. What's age the worst? Marty and Jennifer just are too

fucking old. They're supposed to be Elizabeth Shoe at that point is like five years away from making leaving Las Vegas. Like, come on. Right. She'd just been in cocktail as a grown adult falling in love with Brian Flanagan, the bartender. What stage is the worst? Pepsi. A lot of Pepsi in this movie. Too much. Way too much from my life. Do you like Pepsi? No, I'm not a Pepsi guy. He hasn't had Pepsi since

1982. August 2nd, 1982. You didn't know this? Yeah. No. I mean, the mistake of getting him a soda last week and he was like looking at it, like I was giving him hydrochloric acid. Like, is this Pepsi? I'm like, yeah, but you'll drink. And he just brought it back on a club soda. It's Satan's piss.

I had to turn in. It tastes really, well. The rewatch was this brought you by Pepsi. I was just thinking maybe for future purposes. Michael J. Fox playing his daughter is just super weird. Yeah. I don't understand why they did it. We had a run here.

It's a budget. Budget thing. Some Eddie Murphy movies, some Mike Myers movies where it was just like, maybe just because we can doesn't mean we should. Yeah, they plan it. They think this was going to be like a, hilarious laughter from the audience. You're not Eddie Murphy.

Like, that's not that funny that you're playing your own sister. Really weird. Didn't get that at all. And also, they all have to have masks on and stuff so that you, like, it's very strangely, like, could you just not have hired an actress

to play Jennifer? And here's a guy who, like you mentioned, he's shooting family ties, he's doing this, like, all right, yeah, but we can have anyone play this scene or no one's ever going to care about what she looks like or what she sounds like.

But let's get you in makeup for another 11 hours. Well, also, wouldn't it have made more sense? like just from a 1989 impact standpoint to just have Justine Bateman in some way as his sister. Like, why not? It's funnier to me. They're like, oh, my God, Michael J. Fox is in drag.

Miami being in the American League is age the worst. Or any league. Or any league. And then the back to the future trailer three at the end that we mentioned. Well, the Ruffalo, Ohana, Rubeneck Partridge, overacting word, it's easy. That is Biff's grandson Griff.

Now Let's hear the right answer Since when did you become the physical type The answer's no, Griff No Yeah, what are you deaf and stupid? I said no They really let

Who's the guy who plays Biff? What's his name? Tom Wilson Tom Wilson They really let him explore the studio space with Griff Griff. Griff is one of the most annoying characters Probably that we've ever done in the rewatchable

Yeah, I hate Griff. He's like half a little. I don't hate him for the right. reasons. I just hate him. He's in the Warriors, kind of like he's like, like, he seems like... Yeah, he seems like... He seems like he expands like Super Mario, yeah. He just sucks.

But the kids aren't... weren't the kids from back then? I mean, you see Martin just like, well, Marty's just walking around like this and Biff... Yeah. They're just all cartoon characters and stuff. But I don't get that. I had a different one for a little. Okay.

What do you got? I thought Lorraine at first, right there in the casino. Damn it, Lorraine. Do you know how much perfectly good door I've blown on this no good kid of yours, huh? All those three of them? What the hell? do you care. We can afford it.

The least we can do with all that money is to provide a better life for our children. Oh, hold on one second. Let's get this straight. Marty is your kid, not mine. She bordered on Sharon Stone's hysterical scenes in casino. I thought that was a little bit overacting. That's a good runner-up. Yeah, that's solid.

Two really good candidates for this. That's also like when you're watching it, you're like, I'm at it back-to-the-future movie. It's like, that gets kind of dark. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like, all right, let's give it a little white. Do you think Marty's looking at her, with her, you know, her plastic

surgery version of her cell? I'm like, oh, man, I might have screwed up. Everybody should have taken a shot. That's the weirdest part of the movie. And Marty looks at his mom, and he's like, mom. But she does it to him in the first one. Yeah. Oh, I guess I...

I've never seen you look so big. Yeah, right, big. It's pretty weird. Was there a better title for this movie, no? How about Marty's still chicken after all these years? No. Yeah.

back to Future 2, electric bugle, now I guess that's it. Back to the Future 2, same game parlay. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? Probably,

what do you mean a paradox? You mean one of these things that can destroy the universe? Precisely. I like the paradox, but not a lot of great quotes this movie. Okay, it's time. The CR thinks Luke Wilson

could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? for hottest take from this movie, what do you have? Given the fact that we've really poisoned the youth of this planet, if not the country, with social media, I think it's time for hoverboards. Obviously, we have the technology. We have the imagination.

Just to bring the kids away from the devices. I was thinking about that. I know that the idea is like you're going to get old people getting beheaded by kids flying around on hoverboards and like the injuries would be just be too significant and all that other stuff. It's already pretty bad out there. If you've ever walked around, like, if you got in New York City recently and it's like guys are doing 40 miles per hour on e-bikes up like the alley between cars.

New York is downtown Bangkok. Yeah. It's just people flying everywhere. We've broken the seal. I know you guys can do it. I know you have the technology. I know you have the imagination. Let's just put the hoverboards out there and let's have fun the last few years of humanity.

I feel like my son would be able to be on a hoverboard going 40 miles an hour while also texting us. He's going to be having like an apple vision. on while hoverboard is. Well, it's tough because they already came out with the thing they call the hoverboard. You know, that little two-wheel, like, segue without the handlebars. That came out, like, 10 years ago, and everybody when I was in college was, like, a lot of athletes were always, like, in those. You know, those, like, two-wheel things? Yeah.

Those are called hoverboards. But, like, they could do the hoverboards. We need them to hover. Yeah. Well, we have the birds that are all around L.A. And now it's just need the birds to fly. You have to admit, if, like, you could just, like, go nine feet in the air and go down the 10, you know what you mean, like, and get to the beach?

That would be pretty awesome. I don't even know if that's that hot of a take. I wish we had hoverboard. I think you've stumbled on something. What do you have? All right. Hear me out, boy. Marty is not George's son.

He's Biff's son. That should have been back to the future three. Yes, he is. Listen, say what you want about Lorraine. We've seen her promiscuous. We've seen her flirty. Thrown it around in 1955. We've seen Biff very.

aggressive very very aggressive I don't want to I don't know if it happened how it happened but I think that he's nothing like his father his father's a spineless sound right that makes this empire strikes back yeah I'm your father yeah like that would be so good yes it's great that would be a good back to the future three that would have been a better yeah than going to the wild bud was like he's nothing like his father no he's like this loser he's got a temper like Biff you're right don't call me chicken. He's got his buttons to push.

I'm definitely like my father because I text, we're taping this after the Celtics lost game two. You couldn't resist. My dad didn't go and I was texting him. I just texted him, we lost because you didn't go. And he's like, that's ridiculous. We lost because we have a bet.

We just started arguing. Long text exchange of us argued. Before we recorded this, it was like, don't say anything that we'll do it. Let's get some deep game two action. turn the finals. Yeah, now the Celtics are out of the playoffs. My hot take.

So in the research, they had this whole concept for 2015 that the biggest sport was called slam ball. And it didn't make it on screen because they couldn't figure out the budgets. And the way slam ball was described, it's listed on the back of the greatest sports almanac. It's played in an anti-gravity chamber. And it's a combination of high-lie, handball, and roller derby. Okay. And my question is, where the fuck is this version of slam ball? I would watch this.

You would bet on this right now. Right. Antigrability. I made it, but this didn't. I'm trying to figure out with this. So anti-gravity, high lion handball, so they're throwing something, but then people are colliding roller derby style, so are they going around? Oh, interesting.

I just want to know more. It really caught my attention. Is it an offshoot a roll of derby? because Roll Derby I kind of died down is that where they decided to pick it up? Three things I've always thought

should have worked Highline, handball, and Roller Derby and now we're removing gravity. There's something here, Chris. Do you think that the world is ready for some new sports?

Yeah, totally. 100%. Oh, yeah. I still feel like kickball I probably would watch at least 20 minutes of on ESPN2 if it was like,

tonight, Britain is playing France in the kickball semifinals. I was like, all right, what is this? I was just, in England and I was watching Snooker.

Yeah. And I was like, man, it's kind of fun sometimes to just watch a sport you don't know the rules of at all. And just try to figure them out and they're like, oh, he's got it. No, he's not. And I'm like, what happened? Well, what was that Winter Olympics that year when they're pushing? Curling. Yeah.

And all of a sudden, everyone cared about curling for like a week and a half. Yeah, Canadian team. Yeah, yeah. And it was, it became a thing and it was fun. And then that was it for curling. Casting what ifs. Glover said the producers offered 125. There's been a lot of people saying that actually wasn't true.

But somehow financial stuff and then Glover eventually audible too. I couldn't do it. I didn't believe in the story. I believe in love. Okay, Crispin Glover. Claudia Wells, the original Jennifer. We talked about this in the back to the future one. She had a family cancer crisis.

Yeah. Dropped out and chose to care for her mother's health. and they end up with Elizabeth Shoe who was just overqualified. I have more on this later. Did she get a settlement too for them reshooting her scenes? No, but she kind of stays out of the

like all of the anniversary stuff until 2000, until later on. Like maybe even 2015. 15 other guys on she appears on like a D&D. Something's fishy about it. Best that guy were, I mean, he wanted for part one Mr. Strickland. Yeah.

God damn it, Maverick! He's a top gun. I also have Joe Flaherty as the Western Union man at the end. See Joe Flare. though? Yeah, but like, I think of like that... What was he? Happy Gilmore?

Is he the heckler? Yeah, he's SCTV. Right, right, right. Okay. Yeah, Adam too. Diem. Waiters Award was tough. Oh, I got, this is easy.

What do you got? Flea. So I had Flea or any of Biff's henchmen in 2015. We're the candidates. Oh, no, it's flea. Okay. It's so weird. Flea's in this movie.

I just don't think Flea's that good in that scene. But he's clearly stands out the most of a cameo. I mean, yeah. Mr. Needles? I don't love that scene. The black father with the bat. Oh, yeah. Oh, that guy.

People swing a bat at Marty to wrap this whole thing. It's just bats all over the place. Griffin. Missed five swing. Yeah, that guy probably went too right. Yeah. Recasting couch. Can I give you Jamie Gertz as Jennifer?

Well, you could do whatever you want with Jennifer. Could I give you a young Jennifer Connolly as Jennifer? But like, are you going to do anything else with Jennifer? Other than just knock her out? Yeah. Probably not. I had Mindy Cohn as Jennifer. I like that way too.

Indicode. Is this movie better for the director's commentary with Tony Romer or Chris Collins worth doing the commentary? We've never done this with Sal. Mikey woke up and he saw his mom at a new rack.

You gotta love that. He just loves to get out there. I just love the way Marty rides that hoverboard, Sal. He's holding on a bag of 46-4. There's so much going on. Come on. He doesn't care that that tunnel's coming up. Al, he just loves it.

He just loves being in the air. So many different permutations of this timeline, Mike. But I love watching the play. I just love how Doc Brown is executing going back and forth, Al. Half Ascent Research. We did a lot of it. Yeah, we did a lot of it. There are clauses in the Screen Actor Guild collective bargaining agreement with a lot of, like, likeness shit.

Because of this movie. Yeah, we did a lot of it. The Wild Gunman video. game in Cafe 80s was specifically made for the film. The photograph of the cover girl of Ula La Magazine was Venetia Stevenson taken from

the July 55 issue of Swank. Oh, wow. Which I know you might have. It's actually inside the element. Leah Thompson took home the prosthetic of her breast implants because it was a mold of a real chest and she didn't want anyone else to have it.

And then they did the rejuvenation clinic because they didn't want to have Christopher Lloyd wearing double old age makeup. So they wanted to keep it relatively close to what he looked like and did it that way. This was the first film to be released on video cassette by MCA Universal Home Video. Yeah. Late 80s is right around when the VHS stuff really started happening. Because remember for a couple years, they were like just crazy expensive.

Right. It was like, oh, I bought this VHS for $190. And they've done like this trilogy, like, has had a pretty steady... say it all the checkpoints. Some of the items in the blast from the past antique store include a Jaws 2 VHS box as well as Animal House. I love Jaws in this. Roger Rabbit, doll, a bottle of Perrier, a BG's album, a Pack Me and Lunchbox, a Jimmy Carter peanut bank, a Magnet Bank, a Magnibox transistor radio, and an AC Pro Am video game box. There's like 50 things.

If you're interested in all of them, yeah, they're all mine. Let's take another break, then we'll do Apex Mountain. If you thought HBO's euphoria was intense in high school, saddle up. Season three of Euphoria picks up five years later, and life looks very different. Hello, Rue. You owe me money. No matter what they're chasing, money, love, or redemption, no one can escape their fate. The problem is, if you make a deal with the devil, there's no turning back.

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Michael J. Fox, no. Leah Thompson, no. Sports almanacs, I think unequivocally, yes. This is the go-to sports almanac, the gray sports almanac. There it is. On my camera, right there. Elizabeth shoe, no way.

Beat it, no. Zemeckis, no. Mr. Sandman being in a movie, I'm still going to say Halloween 2 or Halloween 1. Which Halloween had a Mr. Sandman? Two. Two. Time travel movies?

No. It's back to the future one. Would you say this is Tom Wilson's? Yeah. That's what I have. Yeah. He plays 19 people. Yeah.

Well, and also, so after this was it's all like voiceover, cartoon stuff. Like, what would it be if it's not this? Like the Pinky and the Brain episode he was in six years later. I was going to say 2015, just the year, 2015. But then South told that. So I think the real 2015 was that. actually the apex of 2015. Yeah.

Because Sal got to do a bit with Christopher Lloyd and Michael J. Fox. That's better. Check that out. That's better than in big 2015. What else happened in sport? That was the Warriors won the first year. Football.

Is that a Patriots? That was Seahawks over the Broncos, February 2015. Oh, yeah. Baseball. Is that the year the Mets blew it? Yeah, to the Royals. Roles over Mets. It wasn't a very good sport.

year. I left ESPN 2015. That's why. That was great. Yeah, you had the almanac. Jeffrey Weissman definitely Apex Mountain. Same for Ullala magazine in D. Jones manure hauling. And then...

This is the Apex Mountain of hoverboard technology. All hoverboard related things. And then Sal's dreams of sports gambling? What is Apex Mountain for that? What was the first time you're like, I'm fucking doing they've been dashed so many times

I don't know Is this Apex Mountain of sports gambling movies? Yeah, it has to What is it? Two for the money? What else are we gonna? A hustler

Like a fix-in, like the gambler? Jimmy Khan? Yeah, he's better. Yeah. I mean, I like the, and I also like the Mark Wahlberg gambler too.

Rounders. Look at that. Sell me on that. Jesus. Like both of those movies. Rounders. Yeah. Really, there hasn't been a good way

until they do. But they don't bet sports and runners do it? No, it's not a sports right. Yeah. Would they do a pick of Harry?

A picture of a biopic? Like how they did Cinderella man about Jim Braddock. What about our focus? Oh, focus has great gambling. I guess that's the best gambling scene in the movie,

the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's great. All right, new category. Oh, uncut gems. Oh, yeah. It bothers me what was allowed on that parlay and stuff like that.

Yes, that was a lot of issues that. still can't sports gamble in Connecticut. Relatively new category that has taken over the pod, Cruz or Hanks? So are we saying Cruiser, Hanks for Martin McFly or Doc Brown? It's got to be Martin McFly, right? So we got to use younger versions of Hanks or Cruz.

This is one where I think you could make the argument for either. I agree. I think it's Hanks. I think Hanks is a choice. I think Cruz is just too intense. I think you'd be perfect for this. Really? Oh, yeah.

You guys don't think that Tom Cruz could have played Marty McFly? He's just too... So like 1983, Tom Cruise? Well, it's 80... The first one comes out in 85. He's shooting that in 84, right? Like, what's he doing in 1984? I think Hanks is great in this movie if they have it.

I think you need to be a little more timid. He's amazing in this movie. Yeah, it's like... So this would have been right after risky business. It's the first one. Interesting. All the right moods of risky business outside. So, Hank's is...

But we can't do it that way. It just has to be. the version of themselves that make the most sense. Now this is turning the new Apex about this rules. But I just look at Cruz arguing with me more and a few good men. Like, we can't have that with him and Doc. He needs to be a little more timid.

I think, like, I feel like... Yeah, it's a little more in the Josh Baskin big kind of world. Okay. Yeah. All right. Big win for Hanks. Is Hanks in the lead now? No, I think it's tied. It's tied. It's like four full of a lot.

Who won for Alon Came Polly? uh hanks we did hanks for yeah hanks on that racehorse rock band wrestler or team name i had bifco i'm surprised you didn't have bifco gambling as your team name damn it you're right i didn't think of that i miss that jesus i miss that all all right i like read the bum picking nits i'll let you guys i have so many i'll let you guys start can i ask a question this is because this you you already alluded to this yeah it does it bother him in the first movie to get called chicken? Like, does this, this, it seems like, because I read that they were like, Marty needed a flaw,

like Marty needed something to get over. But the chicken thing kind of comes out of nowhere and is the governing principle of all the movie. I know. It's weird. It's really stupid. It's like, did he have a thing with PETA? Was he fondled by Colonel Sanders?

I have no idea. It would have been better to have it be, you're a loser. Because that's the thing that he's actually, like, afraid of being is a loser. Yeah, right, right. The chicken thing, it's like, yeah, Biff, I'm a chicken. You're an idiot. Why not instead of chicken, just like do short stuff. Yeah, right.

He's just heard too many short jokes that sets him off. Yeah. I am with you, though, on the loser thing. I think that loser thing makes more sense. You're a loser like your father or anything like that. That would be the setting him off thing. Yeah, he said, I'm going to kill you with the same. You're a loser like your dad.

Like, you son of a bit like that. Yeah. Nearly the reaction that all this other chicken stuff. Give us a pick a knit. We can just go in order until we're done. Yeah, I just like, you know, Doc is a little bit too much with them. No one should know too much about their own destiny. It's like, well, you read the letter, you wore a billproof vest, and you're not alive, if not for you going against your own role here.

So I thought we were done with that. The USA Today, featuring a local robbery on the front page. I have that one. A little weird. I have that one. Jennifer's fingerprint. It's Marty McFly Jr. gets arrested. It's the cover of the USA today.

But it's updating in real time, which is pretty cool. Yeah. That's sure. Yeah. Dicey. Jennifer gets fingerprinted. They're watching from afar. And they're like, all right, let's just take her to her house. We know where she lives. She's 47.

Wow, this is some plastic surgery. Well, I can't Marty then go and get fingerprinted. I'm like, hey, check me out. I'm his, I'm her husband. She had a little too much Pepsi free and vodka. Let's go get her. I'll take her home. They're not really thinking on their feet there.

They're just like, I guess we have to break into the house. Right. Yeah. Go ahead. You can take a few. I'll take one. Western Union held on to that telegram for 70 years. I don't think so.

They paid like 10 cents for the telegram. USPS tries to deliver packages once, and they're like, yeah, you can come to Elisigando to get this now. Seriously. I just, that one jumped out of me. And then we mentioned the 50 years of all the sports stuff fitting into the super thin almanac.

Yeah. What do you have more? Well, I have possibly unanswered for question, nitpick, which is essentially getting underneath, what's the butterfly effect of any given moment? And so, do you guys think Biff's rise as both a sports gambler supreme nuclear power broker? Yeah. Real estate, magnate, everything else does not have like some kind of ripple effect on the results

of the games that he would be betting on? I had that as well. So you have to basically imagine Biff has to go hard early. because soon the idea of Biff betting at all is like an element in the timeline right? It's the biggest flaw in the movie

because the whole premise of the movie is unless we fix this then all these things will happen but then Biff has the almanac so all of sports should be different like all of sports so the omniac actually shouldn't work

he should be able to just win once being a nuclear power guy I don't know when that's supposed to have taken place but I can't remember but like wouldn't that affect USA versus Russia and the Olympics? You know what I mean? Like there would be things that you like there would be like these trickle-down effects

that would affect the results of games. It feels like he should have only won once on that 1958 horse race. Yeah. And then mentioned how and once I won the Almanac. I didn't. Yeah. Yeah.

I lost a little because the future of sports. Like there's some. It doesn't add up. Yeah. And it doesn't have. the rules of the movie. Between how localized his stuff is and how, like, oh, he dated Marilyn Monroe. But also he's only going to build a casino in this town where he grew up.

It's like, it's very weird. But to your point, I also think it's screwed up that the way they fixed it, I don't think they actually fixed it. I think Biff, now we saw how we reacted to the first $300 he had to pay for the manure. Now he has to do it again. I don't want to get dark, but I think that's the first school killing spree. Honestly, I think he's wrong. He's like, who is this Calvin Klein?

I know he is. I need answers. Well, speaking of time, whatever, old Biff steals Doc's time machine and change the past. Yeah. And then returns the door in back to the exact same spot. Why isn't he in an alternative version of the same spot? Goes back, gives himself the almanac, comes back, returns the car. but the future is now different.

Yes. And he stumbles out of the DeLorean because I think he's supposed to be exhausted and kind of fucked up from the time travel. But I do think that's a flaw. Yeah, we have alternate universes except in this one case when he comes back to the exact same universe

that he thought. I think someone pointed out, maybe even on Big Bang theory, they went through this, that he may not have placed his first bet yet. Oh, right, right. Because he's still had three years. Oh, interesting.

That's right. they brought this up on Big Bang Theory? Unless it was a joke. What kind of research did you do for this? The 2015 World Series is over by October 20th in this movie? Sure. No. Nope.

Good pitching that year. Just four sweeps all over. I got one. If Doc and Marty spent half as much time just worrying about the present and try to fix that as they did criss-crossing time. Right. To like solve these little moments. Don't you think that like they probably could have fixed it in the present? Like this guy invented time travel.

Also, how fucking selfish? Like just go back and kill Hitler. Right. You know, it's like the whole thing is like we got to make sure that George McFly has a better job. We have to make sure Marty's kids turn out better. This guy gets like ultra triggered by getting called chicken. It's like, what about stop at the Munich pact? Yeah.

Until never chamberlain, you sack up. that's why that's the most valuable prop not this magazine takes devil to to lunch I like this could be a new category for us the I think I'm better than you where it's just like we just

yeah we just scold somebody in the movie that we don't like the decisions we got to talk about zonked out Jennifer what the fuck were they what was the point of that yeah why are you bringing her back

why are you so determined to set the movie right when the last movie left off, but then you're just gonna waste the gender character anyway. I guess if he goes up during his like, I know this seems crazy, I'll explain later that her timeline thus changes because of that. But I like, the alternative is really kind of sad.

See like they're like, we have to like, we have to put Leah Thompson under. No, Elizabeth's shoe under. And she's gonna be asleep until we take her to the house for one second. Then she kind of disappears in the second. And they leave her.

They left her. They left her in, like, we don't even know if that neighborhood was there. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, she'll be fine. Yeah, she'll be good. The future's okay. I think they should have.

They're just going to leave her in a pile of garbage. Oh, go on. You know, listen, you can put stuff in that flux capacity. But you know, you don't know what the fuck I'm talking about to you. I think they should have started the second movie. The car takes off. It flutters, comes down. Yeah.

And then they're like, oh, it's not working yet. And she's like, this is too weird. I'm out of here. Yeah. And she leaves. And then we just get her. Someone accidentally press the ejector button. And she's like, oh, we'll pick her up later.

She's fine. I have a couple more nipicks. Yeah. Doc lands in 2015 just leaves the key to the time machine car and the car. Right. Right. Mm-hmm. Pretty sure I'm bringing the keys everywhere I go.

Yeah. If I have the Biff out smarts. Theorian time machine. Doc mentions at one point, he left Einstein in a suspended animation kennel in 2015, just brutal dog abuse in this movie out of nowhere? What the fuck did Einstein? Einstein was happy in 1985.

You guys have the budget for a hoverboard, but you can't get a dog wrangler on set to have Einstein be a part of things or whatever? Is he just going to go back to 1985, drop off Einstein and come back? Yeah. See, basically terrible dog owner. He could have bid Biff's ankle at some point.

Also, like, one of mine was like, what happened to the Libyans from one? Oh, yeah. They don't, they're not involved in two at all. You didn't see him at the dance? I have a really stupid, obscure one. They show the photo of Biff. He's won a million dollars in the 1950s or whatever,

and there's a photo in the almanac is out the side. Oh, my God. Why the fuck is he bringing that to the horse race? He's not winning any peeled surprises. Jesus. And then I just wanted more from Biff's Vegas condo It was a real estate guy. It was nice, but not like...

Not a lot of natural light, though. Yeah, it just seemed dark. It felt a little like Venetian-y. When you get like the one-bedroom suite at the Venetian, and they upgrade you, and it's like, ah, this is still kind of depressing. Yeah. That should have been like a $50 million palace. Yeah.

It should have been amazing. Yeah. It just was disappointed. It should have like the Sultan at the end of Taken and the boat where it's just like, whoa, that's a nice boat, man. I see how that guy has money. Like, I just didn't think it got there. This is Sultan at the end of TV.

All right. I have a couple more. Oh, you do? Yeah. Let's keep going. Well, Marty's son walks. They need him for this big heist. He's such a loser.

He's stumbling over himself. Why does even Griff, as ridiculous as he is, need Marty Jr. To pull off this tape. Because they're going to use him as a fall guy, right? Oh, they are. I think so. Yeah. Because that's going to be like the pivotal moment.

All right. That's fine. Okay. So, again, we're going back and forth between Biff is a genius. Yeah. an idiot. I got a cup. So always these fight scenes are crazy, but

the moment before he actually gets a handle on the Almanac once and for all, he takes an elbow and an overhand right from Biff that Justin Gachie would not recover. Just hanging out right there on the side view mirror. That's messed up.

This might be the most nitpicks we've done for a movie. I know what I have. Yeah, like over at like 25. And we had some in the beginning of like, when would Vegas start to get suspicious of Biff? And just in general, you're not so virtuous, Marty. Before you burn it for good, right there.

Just take a look. Just one. Just one. You and Joe Willie Namath predict Super Bowl three. Just get one from there. I had that in any answerable questions. Could he have just gone back into the fiery garbage and maybe look through and make sure.

Yes. There's like five bets. I'm with you. He's clearly like, let me just see what happens. Yeah. The socks. 1991. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable.

I'm just going to ask, are we ready to redo this movie? I'm kind of surprised that they've never touched it. I think because of the future and being able to go in all these different directions, and you could go back to 1985 now. Yeah. Or in 1995, you could go to the grunge area, you go to Seattle. Yeah. you have a whole new cast.

What does 2015 look like? I don't know why they let this one go. Of all the things they've remade over and over again, why not back to the future? Maybe people would be less happy about it being like a kid goes back to like help his parents instead of stopping 9-11. Right, right, right.

So it's a non-comedy. It's too much their issues. Yeah. It would just be like, go up to Barack Obama and be like, you know what, don't make fun of Trump tonight. Yeah, the White House Correspondent center. Who is new Marty and new doc? Oh.

Can I hit you with something? Yeah. Tom Holland and Bill Hader. Bill Hader is a slam dunk. Tom Holland's too old to be. Tom Holland's too old. What is like, 26? No, you can need somebody who's like in their...

Salome? No, you need somebody in high school. There's got to be a high school guy. How old is Michael J. Fox in the first one? Well, the second one is 28. So in the first one, he's like, all right. Yeah. Tom Holland's not

Zach F. Ron type. I think you go new person because the franchise is a star. So you almost don't need a star as Marty. But you need Bill Hader as Doc. Yeah, that's a good call. Haters are good though. I don't know how else you spin it off.

It says all black cast. I don't know if like Goldie Wilson spins off. We see his struggles against Biff Tannen and turns of legalizing gambling in the city. It would be funny if the Debbie Downer, a journalism website era, they're remaking back to the future. And it's like,

maybe this shouldn't be a comedy. Maybe we should be going back and fixing some of the problems that this country has. It's just people getting very pious essays about why are we having fun with the back to the future franchise?

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Traill, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, evil laughing, Ramon, Raymond, or Philip Baker Hall. I think it's Byron Mayo. I was trying to think of a Wayne

screaming about Haralabob thing, but like, it's like, when Marty wakes up and sees his mom's new set, I think it's kind of like, Marty, rain, it's not incest if it happens during time travel. Give it a world.

No one will know. I just have maybe Sam Jackson plays the father with a baseball bat. Yeah. Oh, and that was like the perfect Sam Jackson range. He would have had been good fellas right after that. Just one Oscar who gets it. I had to score.

Yep, that's good one. Yeah. Well, Special effects. So the special effects, it was nominated for best visual effects. Special effects.

I forgot that was the one. Yeah, special effects. Is that different visual effects? Visual effects, I think of it. The Abyss one. I had supporting,

I don't know, I had Tom Wilson for supporting act if it was ever going to have it, but Denzel won it that year. And Danny I. Yeah, it was just 89. It was too good. Probably in answerable questions.

No jet lag? Just zooming around. No. By decades, like I feel like you'd be zonked out for months. I got back from overseas like a day ago. Right, and you don't even know what year it is. Yeah. I did that flight.

It took like three weeks to come back. These guys are fine. We flew in and out of Vegas in one day, and I don't think I'll ever readout. Right. That's true. We covered why does Marty hate being called a chicken so much, which that literally was unanswerable? How do we handle the Almanac?

We covered that. I have one more, but do you have any for unanswerable? We did them as nitpicks. I got a moment. Doc Brown, gay? No, because we find out in three, falls in love of Claire. Oh, yeah, yeah.

In two, I don't know that. For those seven months, you were like, huh? 1885, Doc Brown, not gay. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. It's like, Doc, who'd you hang out with last night? Oh, I was hanging out with that high school senior again,

but that I'm 42 years older than. Right. Like, if my son was hanging out with Doc Brown every night, I would be suspicious within two weeks. Yeah. Like, what's going on here? Why are you with Doc Brown so much? It's like he's got Ula La Magazine.

I don't know. Is he grooming Marty? What's happening? Didn't they cut a scene out? I've seen too many date lines. Of one where they talk about, is my father gay or something? Doesn't like,

oh, he's making this up? Yeah, yeah, they cut it out. He says, no, he's like,

what happens to me in the future? Am I gay? Do I turn gay? They cut it completely out of the movement. So, we'll have to see Doctor's reaction. This is a movie trope that we've seen in a few movies with the way too old to be hanging out

with the high school kid character that I just, now that we've been conditioned in the last 20 years to look at that differently, I can't unsee it. It's like, Doc, no friends, no poker night with your buddies from World War II? Nothing. The Korean War, like, oh, my buddy, Johnny's in town.

Nothing? Best double feature choice of this movie. It's got a... Would you go one or three? I'd go three because it's basically one one movie. Yeah, because you got it on. Yeah. Three's a rough watch. What piece of memorabilia would you want

from this movie? Would you go original hoverboard? Delorean doesn't count. Practically speaking, I'd probably go the Nike Mags because you could make a tidy profit on those for the secondary market. Over the hoverboard and over the original magazine? That's not street legal yet. I like the jacket because it essentially ends up being a heated

jacket, right? Which none of them work. If you try to buy them for $300 or $40, it's the only real heated jacket. So the original Almanacs, they pop up on those Hollywood prop auctions, and it seems like they had a bunch of them. So a few of them have sold and they'll go for like 45, 50K.

So, there you go. You could say you got one of those. You could say that's authentic. The Coach Finstock Award, Best Life Lesson. I got to say, for me, after watching two, again, the past is the past. Just leave it alone. Just look forward. Yeah. Yeah, what are you going to do? You know, like, when are you going to go back to the Wild West to

fix, come on. Right. You can't change it based on even if you know your flaws. And I guess an ancillary one is really try hard not to fuck your mother. Yeah, that's a good one. Don't look at your mother's breast for more than a second. To be fair, the third one ends. The train destroys the DeLorean. And they're like, you know what?

Like, I'm not like, let's just let's just like let fate kind of decide itself. Right. Yeah. Maybe could have done that after two. Yeah. They should have had previews for four after three. But fake ones. That would be great.

This one in three feels like there's a version of it that could have been one movie. you know also doc you'll probably be dead by the time Marty's kids are grown up maybe don't go into the future to try to fix them again creepy creepy doc never cared about my friend's kids that much ever

like Harrison's got his big game tonight I care about that I wouldn't go into the future to help you I wouldn't use my future card okay because I have a lot of money on that game Craig what do you got did you say who won oh

We won the movie Michael J. Fox. Yeah. Yeah. He's the winner. Unless you want to go Doc. Creepy Doc. Who has no friends his own age? Zemechis. Oh, you know what?

It's Semechus. Roger Rabbit. Because Zemeckis is using all the... And he's got all the tricks. He becomes like the coolest guy from Roger Rabbit. Yeah, it's Zemakas. You're right. I think my hot take is that Doc is the only good actor in this movie.

Well, he's the... Wow. That was a hot tag. The movie is oriented to Doc. Like, it's like, Doc's crazy. craziness is the only thing that explains this movie. Yeah. I just think Doc carries this film.

He puts it right on his back. This movie, I like the movie. It was really fun. I had seen Back to the Future One many times. I've never seen this one. I think I liked being back in that world more than I liked the movie.

Like the story itself. It almost felt like a sitcom where it's like, this movie has no new characters. It has no new villain. It's like a sequel with no new characters, no new villain. You're back on the same set.

And also like it feels like a set. you know that town square is like a lot at Warner Brothers. Yeah. And it's like you feel like you're about to walk past like Central Perk. You like, it just, it feels so much like a Hollywood lot that it's kind of like refreshing and comforting like a like a sitcom. So I did like just kind of hanging out. Yeah.

But maybe I've just been like jaded by the multiverse. I was like, it is a little confusing. I don't exactly know what's going on here. I had to think like a little bit too much about this and maybe I've just been multiverse. You have to watch one. This is bothering me so much. He's seen one. Oh, you did.

I think one's great. One is trackable. This one I was like, they got a little too cute. Then I get you had to go forward and mix it up a little bit. But, no,

maybe I just got triggered by multiverse. I think the acting point's the right point. Because I don't think Leah Thompson's great in this. We barely get the dad. Michael J. Fox spends most of the movie be like,

what are you telling me, Doc? Yeah, Michael J. Fox is not as good as he was in the first movie. He's just not. He's great in the first movie. He's amazing. Yeah.

I think those are all good points, Craig. People don't overact anymore. What do you mean? I just, every movie from like the 90s and 80s, there's always like three characters in the movie going insane. Like really pushing it. Nowadays, you rarely get an actor doing the Linda Partridge. Like, where do you get that?

That's a good point. I miss it. What would you do with the Omineck? What do you mean? I would absolutely steal a couple games. You use it for fantasy just to like win your leagues. Yeah, definitely. I mean, like the round 10 sleepers.

Yeah, we didn't even talk about the fantasy elements in the Almanac. Yeah. We would be the greatest part of all time, but our sleepers episode would take over the world. I just have a feeling about this guy coming out. Yeah, Devon A-Chane on the dolphins. I know he's going to sound weird. Take Pakua.

Brock Purdy, I like that guy. No, you would do the Kurt Warner would be the best one, right? This guy like on the Rams. I like what I'm reading. This backup QB. Yeah. If Trent Green ever goes down. There's this eight-year-old Joey chestnut.

They call him Joey. You might be Joe about it. No, he'd still be Joey. he's going to win a lot of hot talk great great eater all right this podcast it was produced by Craig Horlebeck don't forget to go to youtube.com

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