The Rewatchables - ‘Bad Boys’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Logan Murdock

Episode Date: August 13, 2020

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Logan Murdock hop in Mike Lowrey’s Porsche and head to Miami to rewatch the 1995 action comedy ‘Bad Boys’ starring Martin Lawrence, Will Smith, and Téa Leoni. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It was the perfect crime. Everything went according to plan. I need a SWAT team, helicopters. We're calling all cars here, baby. But there was something they didn't plan on. Sir. Martin Lawrence. You forgot your boarding pass.

Will Smith. Free! What you're going to do. ado at theaters April 7th. All right. Dan Lathan is here. Logan Murdoch is here. Logan, are you older than this movie?

This movie came out in 95 and I was born in 93. Oh yeah, you got this. Like a year and a half. I'm got it. I'm here. I'm here. You got this. Here's how excited I was for this movie. I remember where I saw it and who I saw it with. I saw it with Nick Aida in Framingham, Massachusetts. This one got me.

Here's the premise. This is what, this is according to Wikipedia. Lifelong friends, Marcus Burnett and Mike Lowry are Miami detectives investigating 100 million of seized mafia heroin stolen from a secure police fault. Come on. Internal affairs suspect it was an inside job and threatens to shut down the entire department unless they recover the drugs within five days. Van.

Flawless premise. Flawless premise. That's going to get you. Who's not going to go to the thing? And you're going to get to hear the Fresh Prince curse. Right. He says shit in his first sentence. Yeah.

Like, we didn't know if Will had it in him. Like, this is the first time he burst out of that bubble. You're definitely going to see that. The Fresh Prince is chasing $100 million in heroin. You go into the movies. You go into the movies. We'll go with Logan's experience with this movie. And then we'll go with ours because we basically have three generations here.

So you grew up with this movie. You grew up with the whole Will Smith package. Right. And this movie is part of it. but you're not, you weren't there when it was Fresh Prince, six degrees of separation. I wonder if he can be in an action movie and then this happens. Right.

So as you're growing up, where does this movie place in the Will Smith canon? So it's one of my first experiences with Will Smith, to be honest, which I heard, you know, I watched this on syndication. I watched this when it was on TNT and when all these other channels and things like that. And then I watched the movie version.

And then I went back to Fresh Prince. And then I went back to Back to. to Made in America and all these things, right? And Independence Day. I came from a scene that's like, oh, this is a great movie. We're about halfway through. We're about halfway through. We can watch Bad Boys.

Bad Boys is always, we're going to always put on bad boys when it comes on. But I watched it going backwards for lack of a better term. So, Van, Eddie Murphy in the 80s hits this point where it's like, I can't wait till this guy does a movie. And then they're like, he's going to do this movie with Nick Nolte. And it's like, oh, my God, I can't wait until that comes out. Will Smith is this day. decades version of it. And weirdly, I'm going to cross movies and sports. I feel like LeBron is the

2000s version of this, where LeBron's in our life for a couple years. And then I'd say, man, it's going to be awesome when he's good in the playoffs. And then in the 07 playoffs, when he went against Detroit, puts up 48, gets past Detroit. And it's like, oh, he's here. He's arrived. That's how I felt with Will Smith with this movie. We all had a lot of Will Smith stock. But then this movie comes out, I was like, oh, he's here. Oh, this is really going to happen now. Yeah, I mean, that's a good way to put it. So Will, it's the phases of, it's so interesting hearing that perspective from Logan.

That's super interesting because Will is the first celebrity I ever watched go into and then come out of their cocoon. Yeah, it never happened like that before. Will starts when I'm in grade school, right, with parents just don't understand. Right. Coolest video, right? Then he did a song with Freddy Kruger. and it was I can be my title. And then he takes another step

when he gets on television, Will's on TV. Then he takes another step here. And then with Independence Day and all of those movies, that's yet even another step. But this one right here was the one,

I never forget this, because I went to see this movie like, you know, like I went to see all movies like with my older sister and her friends. They didn't even know they wanted to fuck Will Smith until this movie.

They didn't know. Bill, they had no clue. There was nothing to Fresh Prince that would make you want to do that. You know, him crying over it. No, no. Like, they saw this and they were like, oh, wait a minute. Like, they came home with like, how cute is Will Smith? This is the first time they ever thought that.

That's funny you say that, Van, because I watch Fresh, like, I am a Fresh Prince fanatic. And he was like the ladies' men on Fresh Prince. And maybe because it was on network television, that's a very interesting perspective that women did not just want to have sex of Will Smith. That's it. He was a network TV ladiesman. Okay, okay, for sure, for sure.

So a different demo. Definitely a different demo. Okay, cool. Right. And by the way, I'm not at all attempting to speak for women. I'm just saying that, like, my sister and them, they looked at Will as kind of the goofy guy on fresh prints, got likable but goofy. But then after this, they were full into it. Got it.

Full on Will Smith. I'm going to step on half-ass internet research. So one of the iconic action scenes in this is when he hasn't totally put on his shirt, there's a shootout in the hotel lobby. And he's running after the dudes, but his shirt's open. Michael Bay had to convince him to do that. And he's like, look, do this. This is going to make you a movie star of this scene. So then he does it.

And then Michael Bay said later, like, I should get half of all Will Smith's salary. Because I single-hairedly made him a movie star. But, you know, it's funny. I totally remember when this movie came out and my excitement for the Will Smith piece of it. But there's this whole other piece. It's the buddy cop movie timeline. So it starts with 48 hours in 1982, which we've done in the rewatchables, the movie I've seen the most out of any movie ever. That's the first kind of modern buddy cop movie.

Then we have Running Scared, Gregory Hines and Billy Crystal. Love that. Lethal weapon. Mel Gibson, Danny Glover, that's 87. Same in 87. Steakout. Oh, wow. Richard Dreyfus.

Dreyfus and Emilio Estevez. Kind of the underrated one from that decade. Then Turner and Hooch, a buddy cop where the buddy is. a dog, not another human being. So it's like, all right, they're really taking this. Last Boy Scout, Bruce Willis, Damon Wayans. Dame Wayne's not technically a cop, but it's same kind of premise. Lethal weapon two.

Tango and Cash happens with Slice down pro Russell. Wow. Now I'm going to 1985 here with Bad Boys. So now this is the 14th year of Buddy Cop movies. This is the first time they said, hey, what if both guys are black? It took 14 years. For them to do that, I'll start with Van. Van, why do you think they were,

why did this movie take until 1995 for them to cross that line? I think it, you're talking about in terms of two black leads? Hollywood. Yeah, I think whenever it's, whenever Hollywood leans into two black leads, it's always going to take longer. I mean, we still haven't really seen Hollywood on a real level

promote a big budget, huge black rom-com. it still really hasn't happened. You know what I mean? So the two black leads thing, number one. And also, you needed guys that were in that sweet spot, uh, like, like Will and Martin Lawrence in,

are in here. Now, you could have probably done the movie. Could you have done this movie in 1990? I don't know with Eddie Murphy and pair him off with anybody else. Snipes would have to be in it, I think. Eddie Murphy and Snipes, Snipes, snipes and somebody like that.

Yeah, you sure. you could have, but it was perfect for these guys in the point in their career that they were coming up in. And also, remember now, when you have two black leads in a movie, and this movie is actually interested in that way, is that you have two black leads, but this is not feel, and it's not at all a black movie. Miami, the multiculturalism of Miami takes a little bit away from that. The fact that they have a bona fide Karen in the movie with them, which she annoyed the shit out of me on my rewatch. She annoyed the shit out of me, the entire movie. Just stay in the apartment.

Just stay in the apartment. Please just stay in the apartment. Just chill. What are you doing? Like, why do you want to like stop? Put your mask on? Yeah. But like the whole, like, you know what I'm saying?

The whole time. There's a lot of reasons. To answer your question, things like that always lag behind a little bit. But it was very important movie to be honest with you in that respect, though. It was. So Logan, you go do the right thing into the 80s. Boys in the Hood early 90s.

Boomerang, which we did recently on the rewatchables. New Jacks. city. And then you have poetic justice, which was a semi big budget movie because you have Janet at her peak and Tupac who's on the rise. And, you know, they spent money. They marketed the hell out of that. This feels like it could have happened a couple years earlier. But I think Van hit it. I don't think they knew who the stars was. It basically, would you, Logan, would you have bought this with Snipes and Damon Wayans in like 1991? I was going to say, I might, before we did this, and I know we have something going back, but my picks for this, for, for.

extra characters is if you were to recast it would have been Snipes and Eddie Murphy if we were going to do that. But I think that in a way that I think that this is different from all those other black movies because it's inherently not talked about as a black movie. It's directed by Michael Bay. It's an

action movie that two black leads are in. And I think that that's the way history sees it. I think that that's the biggest difference between this movie and a poetic justice or a John Singleton movie or even a Spike Lee movie. Those were considered black movies and the way that this is considered an action movie with black people.

And I think that that was a distinction. And I think that in itself was a very radical thing in the 90s, right? When you talk about leads that are black and it's just not a black movie. So I think that that set a lot of trends. And that broke a lot of barriers for people that they could, for lack of a better term, white people could be comfortable with two black leads. I think that this movie did a lot for that. Or Hollywood could be comfortable making sure that they were going to make it

enough money, which this movie did. This movie is a huge success. For sure. This game change your van. This wasn't that far away from being what Logan just described. If you took the Tia Leone character and you just put Halle Berry in there, you take the bad guy, whatever, that French guy, and he's like Damon Hintzu, you know, and then you take, yeah, yeah, and then Joe Panini Liano is played by Bunk from the wire. Like, you're in. Like, we're there. We're three away. But they just weren't ready to do that then. Well, also, that really kind of doesn't reflect how Miami kind of is. If you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the dopest thing about going down to Miami and partying in Miami is that, is that, you're in a

place, it's going to be all white people in there or it's going to be all black people in there. Miami looks kind of like this. movie looks. It's a mish-mash of that. It's actually very true to the way things go there. Well, you know, this came up in the research, too. This movie was supposed to be set in New York.

Yeah. Oh, really? Miami was cheaper. And it just ends up that kind of fall into it. And you know, my experience with it was Miami Vice was the coolest TV show of the 80s and really hit all these different pieces of Miami in a cool way.

Manhunter did the same thing in the movie. but then for about four or five years there we weren't in Miami at all. We were there with like, I guess, the early stages of the Miami Heat. That's about it. This movie goes into Miami and really takes advantage of it as a character.

And then for the next 25 years, basically we saw that again and then. But Michael Bay was a real visionary with it. I think this movie started like a Miami sort of Renaissance. I agree. And stuff like that. I think it really did the whole Michael Bay vibe. Like you saw that.

It was that Sarah Jessica Parker movie. Miami Rhapsody and all of those different little, even little films that were set in Miami, I felt like, and then with the whole high fashion thing that got started to the, with the mid, and the models, Ocean Magazine,

Ocean Drive, all of that stuff. Like, this movie was part of a real Miami Renaissance that happened toward the mid to late 90s. Yeah, and it's such a blessing in disguise that it was cheaper to go in Miami,

because I cannot imagine this, this movie being in New York. You know, you talk about Mike, Mike Lowry's Porsche, you know what I mean? He's just going to be in traffic the whole time. Granted, he's going to be a traffic in Miami, too.

But how are you going to do this? I just don't see New York as a great character in this movie in the way that Miami is. And you always say this, Bill, that Miami is undefeated when it comes to movies. It just is. It's just, it's a place where you cannot go wrong with the, you know, the heat, the women, the how the clothes are. That was just a perfect way to do this and use Miami as a character. So it was a blessing in disguise because if they would have messed up,

this and put this in New York, I don't think the film does as good. I just don't. It just the way the characters are and the way that city is, it just was a perfect marriage. And I'm so glad that they did it in Miami's opposed to New York. There's only a couple American cities that can become a character in a movie just by being themselves, right? Like Washington, D.C. is like that. If you get the right kind of conspiracy thriller or anything where somebody's running or somebody's being chased or there's creepiness or people being followed. I think San Francisco in the right kind of movie

Maybe the maybe the strongest Yeah detective movies where there's a car chase in their sales And I think Vegas is another one New Orleans For sure

Yeah New Orleans Depending like I just watch Tightrope Which is this really weird Clint Eastwood movie Set in New Orleans In the mid-80s

Where it's like It's these prostitutes Are getting killed Clint's getting a little too Into the case If you get my drift Right And that's like

In New Orleans is the biggest character of that movie, but you're right. It was weird that they didn't really realize that with Miami because Michael Bay was the one who realized it over anybody because he went back there a couple different times that did stuff. Pain and Gain, which isn't a very good movie. He uses Miami so well it actually deceives you to think it's a movie. So Martin Lawrence gets top billing in this movie, which is the first thing I noticed the body. It makes sense, though. It makes sense, though. It makes sense because you talk

about Will Smith that was not the character that we know who he is right now. He made Made in America. Shout out, A Oakland. He made out Made in America, which was a, it wasn't really that good of a movie. You know what I mean? He kind of had some flubs. I love that. And to the fact where Martin Lawrence had to vouch for Will Smith to do a movie, to do a, to get top billing on a movie. That is a big deal. And that, and all he had at that point, he had a great sitcom, but he didn't have much else. He didn't have much box office appeal at that point. And And I think that this movie did a great job at doing that. And you could see why Martin Lawrence had a, had a bigger profile.

He had done you so crazy. He had done these things before. That's what it is. He had real. Boomerang. Boomerang. So boomerang, boomerang and you so crazy. Boomerang was kind of the thing that showed that Martin could be on the screen and funny

with an Eddie Murphy, David Allen Greer in that type of movie. And then the Martin show plus you so crazy, somebody was going to come. You know, Jerry Seinfeld talks about you getting the kit, and the kit is the TV show and the movie and all of that stuff after you have like a big stand-up special. This was part of Martin's kit. He was going to get this shot, and this movie just kind of is the one where he,

and he was hysterical in this movie. So he really delivered. Well, wouldn't you say, you know, you think about Will Smith, like, even like his music career, a little softer, right? Yeah, sure. Was it hardcore, like some of the other artists? I'm being nice.

We just talking about how big of a deal it was for him to say shit. Right. He's on an NBC sitcom. You know, his first movie that, you know, that he's really good in his Sixth Degrees in Separation, which is an art house movie. And there was still a piece of me that wondered if he could be somebody like Mike Lowry. And then in the first scene, which we'll get into when we do most rewatchable scenes, he's just so clearly a movie star and Alpha Dog.

And I just had never seen that side of it. him before. And then that's, you know, he goes from here. He does, he does bad boys, Independence Day and men and black enemy of the state. Back to back to back to back. We out of here. We out of here. It is. I still contend, if not the, close to the greatest start to a movie career. Like, name me somebody that did better to start. Eddie. Eddie, for sure. Eddie. You think Eddie to start, like, independent, he had independence day in there. Because, you know why I say that is because you, I think you're being a little bit disingenuous with the start, right? We just talked about Made in America.

We just talked about six degrees of separation. I would say a big run, though. I think as one of the best runs, I wouldn't say the best start, though, because Eddie Murphy was a star at S&L and then went right into his star power. I wouldn't say that with, I wouldn't say that with Will, though. Eddie goes 48 hours trading places, best defense, and then Beverly Hills cop, which is one of the five biggest movies of the 80s. Get it.

There is no way. By the way, fair point. I'm talking about as the star, though. That's fair. To me, like, to me, first of all, the fact that you put best defenses in there, you can't ignore. Made money. You can't ignore. You can't ignore best offense.

Shout out to Eddie. I get it. But we're going from bad boys to Independence Day to men and black to enemy of the state. It's a pretty incredible four movie run. It's fucking insane. It is. Hanks? Hank's is

If you're going four in a row Hank's has a case because I think he did Splash No no I'm saying 90s I'm going later Because he does Just about just

At any time Yeah Yeah because he does Like sleep us in Seattle Philadelphia Forrest Gump Well he's the man He's the man

And then Apollo 13 I think Yeah But just for four movies in a row That succeeded In a really dramatic way This four movie run Will Smith has He's the biggest star in the world

By the time it's over 98 When it's over he's the man. He is the guy by the time it's over, for sure. And Martin Lawrence, you know, this was, we'll go into it in Apex Mountain, but this is the peak because he starts getting, he unravels a little bit within a couple years of this. And, you know, really the other two bad boys sequels and he does life with Eddie Murphy, but, um, I think, oh, man, blue streak. Well, I'm saying like, if you're buying Martin Lawrence stock, the stock's the highest right here in

1990s. Big mama's house. Big mama's house. House was a joint. So you think his stock got a higher? I think that I think that the in comparison to Will Smith, no, but overall Martin Lawrence became a much bigger star in the 2000. Later on that he is yeah, in this movie. Yeah. You think he was a bigger star in the 2000s in 1990s? Big Mama's house. Big Mama's house was a was a joint was a joint. How much, but how much money did Big Mamas House Bank. Big Mamas House made like $174 million, I think.

I think it was something along those lines. I was looking that up. Big Mamasat. 2000. So that technically counts in the 90s. And then Blue Street, Blue Street made $100 million to. Martin was a big movie star, man.

$117 million. Bad boys made more. Bad boys probably definitely made more. Probably definitely made more. Bad boys came out and it was like they're going to make seven of these. I can't believe they've only made three. because those guys both got too big. They both got, it started to be a big deal.

We, they, it's so funny we were doing this rewatchables. They just dropped the movie this year. Yeah. These guys, you know what I'm saying? These guys got too big. It's been three over the course of 30 some odd, 20 some odd years, man. Yeah.

Did you see how much that movie made? It made like $440 million or something. The last big, the Bad Boys for Life? I think that's the biggest movie of this year. I mean, yeah, at this point, it's probably going to win best picture. We don't have it. It was like watching when Tyson fights Roy Jones. I'm going to feel the exact same way as I did for bad words.

You know what it was? It was when, like, Dr. Dre made Compton. It was like, it wasn't like the greatest thing he's ever made. But it was like, all I bet. Like, I could do this in 2016. If you don't give me a Dr. Dre album, I'll take Compton. You know what I mean? Nice to have him back.

Right. Nice to have you back. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he might have lost his fastball, but he could still get you out on the corners. Facts. You know what I mean?

And so I dug, I thought they did some really inventive things with that movie. I actually dug it for real. I thought it was cool. Yeah.

Another guy we have to mention with this movie, Michael Bay. This was his first movie. He was a music video director. Directed videos such as beetloafs. I'd do anything for love

and the divinels I touch myself. Was known as a visual artist. That's, I would have never thought he would have made that one. That is such a, that's a, that's understated for him. If Michael Bay, if you told me Michael Bay had a vision of the divinels, touch myself video, I would imagine that video way different

than what that video actually is. Very aggressive, touching is what I would have imagined, but they don't do it in the video very much. Yeah, Michael Bay, the stuff you read about him, he, he sounds like the real life version of the guy who does the strong J ads and boomerang. Yeah. Where it's just like, if you leave him to his own devices, some crazy shit. shit's going to happen. Like Will Smith, if you leave him to, Michael Bay to his own advice, is going to do that last scene butt-naked, just butt-ass naked. Covered him right away.

That's what he's going to do. Well, I didn't realize, because I remember seeing this in the theater thinking it was such just this lavish, really well-done action thriller, slow motion, things blowing up, like just, it seems super expensive. And then you read the research. They had a $17 million budget, which is nothing for this kind of movie. They had a really tight shooting schedule. at one point to get an extra stunt that he wanted.

Michael Bay dipped into his own money. Don't just say one stunt, though, Bill. The stunt, he had to do that. It was the one. It was the scene that he had to pay for it. I don't want to spoil you. Okay. All right, cool, cool.

25K, Michael Bay is like, I'll front the money. If this movie makes money, pay me back. Dana Paying him back. They used Michael Bay's Porsche as Will Smith's car in this movie. because they didn't want to like spend the money and think. So he's like cutting corners. That's why a couple of the scenes are really dark.

They're dark intentionally because they had to like cut some corners with just how shit looked. So in a lot of ways, you could argue this might be the best achievement he's done of any movie he's directed because it's not close. It feels like a $100 million movie. He made it for 17. I'm not saying that this is the best Michael Bay movie, although you can make a compelling argument that it is. I'm not saying this is the best, but this is the best he's ever directed. This is his finest job as anuteur.

This movie actually, you can tell that the other movies that he had money just to flush down the toilet because he does almost five times in every other Michael Bay, every other Michael Bay movie, you go, why in the fuck did he do that? Like, you don't have to do that.

You know what I mean? But in this movie, it's lean, it's sexy, it's to the point, and you could tell he didn't have money to burn. And I think it brought out artistically, at least, That's work. You can you can break the argument that it's one, it's probably his best just for the simple fact that initially they inherited, inherited a script that they hated. They hated this script. And you could see how bad the script is and, and just like little pieces. I'm sure we'll get to that in the second. But he was, this was not a good script to the point where he said, Martin Lawrence and Will Smith, just go do it. Just improvise. We got you. And they made a fucking great movie out of it. But I think that this is his best movie just for the simple fact that it was the cost of it. and what he did with the cost,

and also how they overcame such a trash script. I'm glad you guys said it. I didn't want to seem like a homer for this movie because I love this movie. But this is my favorite Michael Bay movie, and it's all the pieces, but it's also all this stuff that is going to be clear when he goes self-parody Michael Bay later on in his career. You can see the DNA is being spread for like,

man, I'm going to lose control of the steering wheel with all this stuff. But just right now, I'm able to keep this car on the road. So Roger Ebert didn't really like this movie. Of course not. Shout out to him, though. I think that's a good sign then, right? If Roger Eber doesn't like the movie, that's just a good sign for the movie is what you're saying?

He never really likes. Action and comedy were always trouble for him. He was always better with trauma. He said, you're not going to like this fan. He said Smith and Lawrence, their acting talents were, quote, new wine and old bottles. said the plot and the character had been recycled from so many other films quote,

whenever a movie like this starts to drag, there's always one infallible, infallible solution, have a car chase, blow something up real good. That just hurts. It does hurt, but I will say this, though.

There's one part of that that's accurate. On my rewatch of this. Yeah, we're getting to this. The club hell scene is pretty shoehorned in. Yeah, it's definitely shoehorned in. And this movie is like almost, it's a shadow remake. They do shadow reboots every once in a while in Hollywood. Like, if you watch Point Break and Fast and the Furies, you'll realize they just remade the movie.

This movie is like a remake of Lethal Weapon 2. Like this one, like even with all the family stuff with the girl like, with all of that, even down to the scene where they fight over the, you know, like this movie is like a remake of, of the Leather Webbin movie, whatever. But still, if you don't like this film, you probably don't like a good time. I just, I just, I don't know, man. The critique about Martin and Will just falls on deaf ears

considering the fact that they carried this movie. Like literally carried it. They carried a terrible script that no one liked. And they just basically said, yo, just drop 35 and 15 for us, please. We, we don't have anybody else left on the team. just throw to roll the ball out and we need 35 and 15 for you

and they did that. So I don't think that that's warranted at all. Martin is so hysterical. Like Martin Lawrence has never been funnier. I hadn't seen this in a while. I watched this movie going, yo, this shit is way better than I remember. I remember this movie being dope.

But compared to, I guess, what I've seen recently, I was engaged. I thought their chemistry is obvious. And this is obvious. one thing that a well-made film early in somebody's, it's obvious that the two guys you're looking at are, they're movie stars. It's obvious they're movie stars when you watch this. From the very opening scene, because Will shines in that scene, but Martin does too.

Yeah. It's like, it's like, I'm going to do this because bands from Baton Rouge. It sounds like when Webby and Boosie on Full of that where they're just giving it to each other, they're just throwing it back. They're just like, yo, you get this verse. No, you get this verse. It's for you. That's the first scene for me. It's like Webby and Boosie on Full of that, where they're like, yo, I'm going to throw this lob to you. I'm going to throw this lob to you. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that.

And I think to your point, Van, about how good this movie is. I think the credit to a good movie is how it is not in the moment, but down the line. This is still stacks up as the best bad boys movie. It still does. This is the one you always go back to. And I think that that's a credit to how good those two guys are. So I would have to respectfully disagree with Roger Dever. Well, I had this for what stage is the best, but you mentioned lethal weapon, too.

I'm going to mention it now. The aging of Lethal Weapon 2, thanks to some behavior from Mel Gibson over the last 15 years, it basically canceled the entire Lethal Weapon franchise. I'm just telling you, in the moment, Lethal Weapon 1 and Lethal Weapon 2 were iconic. Lethal Wept 2 is iconic. It's one of the four or five best action movies ever. Now it's not on TV. They don't show Lethal Weapon 2.

It's gone. no trace of it. And I think to your point that bad, that bad boy is kind of, you know, whether it's an homage or a flat out ripoff of the lethal weapon two kind of premise, all that stuff, the fact that lethal weapon two's been gone for 15 years has really helped bad boys. Because bad boys is a lot fresher than it did in 1995. I watched it recently. I watched Lethal Weapon 2 recently. It's fucking great. It's a great movie. Dog, it's so good. By the way, I'm, listen, I'm going to go ahead and follow out. It's problematic. I'm, blame Netflix. Netflix recommended the movie to me. I don't know why Netflix would do that.

But like, but, but whatever, but I watched it and it makes you sad that that guy is so crazy. And by the way, black guy here, he said as racist shit about, so yeah, it's the Mel Gibson hit everybody. So, but now, when I watched this movie, and I couldn't help but think, wow, these movies share a lot in common. Martin is essentially playing a much more comically adept Murta. Yeah. That's basically who he is, the guy with the wife and the family who's got all of those

problems and brings it to the one guy who's a solo, loose cannon, by himself, sexy dude. It's kind of like the same dynamic that they share in the film. Well, that movie came out in 1989 and was really ahead of time because that's a movie that if you watch now it feels like it easily could have come out in at least the late 90s but yeah it's been vaporized 17 million budget for bad boys movie made 141.4 million dollars and minted both of these guys I don't know if they had a share of it whatever it created the whole 25 years of Michael Bay just a lot of good things that came out of this

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coloring for Miami. That's just dope. Like that, people weren't doing that in movies in 1995. It's like, what the fuck is this? Is this like a music video? And then all of a sudden, they're off. He's eating McDonald's in the car. They're getting gar jacked. That guy has the great line, oh yeah? Well, I'm a stand-up comedian and I suck. And I suck. Now, this is some funny shit. Let me tell you how bad a day you're having. Right now, you're jacking a couple of cops. Oh, yeah, well, I'm a stand-up comedian. And I suck. That's why I need your car. Look, now I ain't know what this is. But they added this in and they used Michael Bay's car because they didn't have any more money to even put in the movie.

This is one of the better four-minute openings for an action movie that I can think of, right? It's so good. It is so good, man. Like, when you talk about, I have this written down, when Martin said, when they're arguing about the car and they go from, this is a limited edition, when Will said, this is a limited edition. And Martin goes back and says it's a shiny dick with two chairs in it. Look, where's your cup holders? I don't have one. You mean you don't have one?

$80,000 for this car and you ain't got no damn cup holder. It's $105,000 and this happens to be one of the fastest production cars on the plane. Zero to 16 and four seconds, sweetie. This is a limited edition. You damn right, it's limited. No cup holder, no back seat. Just a shiny dick with two chairs in it. I guess we the balls just dragging the fuck along.

Oh, damn. It's probably might be one of the by cold-bole. We're the two balls. And then when they go to that, and then my favorite part of it is when, and it becomes a recurring theme in this movie, is when Martin Lawrence and Will Smith

argue with each other to make a diversion. Yeah. Just so they could beat the shit out of their opponent, whoever that is. This was the first instance of that. And it was so funny and it was flawless. And you can tell that it was, you could tell it was ad lib. If you know Martin Lawrence,

you could tell that was ad lib. It was like when Snoop did, doggy style. It was like it was just a big ass freestyle. That's what it was and it was such a good film and then you go right into, let me hear one of them jokes, bitch, and then we go right into the title card.

It's a flawless, it's a flawless first bit to me. I like that it was an homage to Eddie too because that was an old Eddie trick, right? In Beverly Hill's cop, he's in the strip joint and he pretends he's drunk because he sees the guys about throw out of the way, and then he just takes the guy's gun.

So there's a bunch of different homage stuff going on the top, but it's a pretty unassailable four minutes. You could argue it's the best scene of the movie. Well, I think it is the best scene in the movie. A couple of things. Number one, it sets obviously the tone for the interaction between them, which is the thing that makes this movie work, right?

The thing that makes this movie work is how they interact. The push-pull in their relationship, by the way, and it never stops. No matter what peril they're in, bullets flying, they still finding reasons to get at each other. That brotherly relationship is established right there. And it also answers the question, if you went into this movie with any question in your mind about whether or not you would buy Will, that question gets answered in this scene right away.

Right away. As soon as Will looks over, you're thinking, huh, cool. The way he's talking is different. His whole, it's really some of wheels best acting because there is no fresh prints in there at all. Like, dude is all business. And then you ask questions, okay, they're cops. Why are they driving a Porsche?

Like, it's, it gets, there's intrigue for the rest of the film. And also I want to point to something that in this film, in this scene, the girl that walks out there, you guys don't know who that is. She also is a, is a, is a, the girl that they use as a decoy. Yeah, who is it? You guys have no idea who that is. I thought that was Tia Carrera. It's not Tia Carrera.

Who is it? It's Lisa Boyle. Okay. Lisa Boyle, who you'd have to be a depraved degenerate like myself to really know that much about Lisa Boyle. Former Playboy playmate, Lisa Boyle, and a star of such cinematic movies as I wrote them down. Shear passion, intimate deception. I like to play games. Midnight T's.

All of these. You've seen I like to play games. See? They sound like Skinnamax movies. movies. That's what they are, Bill. Yeah. And so the range right now. The range of Lisa Boyle. And this is another thing. That also sets up something from Michael Bay's career. After that, Michael Bay, the pioneer of putting women in movies just so he could get close enough to them in order to kind of kick some shit off to his peril sometimes. But yeah, I noticed her right away,

Lisa Boyle, former Playboy model, somebody that's very important to my youth, especially throughout the whole 90s when I was a kid, 14, 15, 16 years old. I love those movies. I'm surprised you can call her the great Lisa Boyle. She is great. She is great. And she's a philanthropist now, too. I read that about her.

One thing I loved about that first four minutes, because these buddy cop movies can go one or two ways, right? Either these guys get thrown together and they don't like each other. Right. They're not going to get along, but they got to figure it out. They got to learn how to co-exist. Or you have movies like Running Scared where it's like, these guys fucking love each other.

They bust each other's balls. But in Running Scared, I think is the great lost buddy cop movie. That movie is really fucking funny and it's really good. Gregory Hines, Billy Crystal. It's fantastic. It's great Chicago. I don't know why it doesn't have the legacy of some of these other ones. But in that movie, those guys are just boys.

They love each other. But they bust each other's balls the whole time. But it's all good nature. And I think that's this movie establishes like that, that Felix Oscar odd couple, you know, Martin Lawrence is dropping fries all over this guy's car. Will Smith's just so offended. He just loves this car. He's probably spent three hours cleaning it. Anyway, all right, that's one scene. We went too long on that. Next rewatchable. I love what they find the dead guy. The police malpracticing, that one. Well, when they go in, it's like, what's that smell?

Like, oops. They're breaking into the house and he's like, we're wondering if we could borrow some brown sugar, like all those beats, and then they're like, what's that? They look at each other. They go, dead guy. And then Martin Lawrence tried not to throw up, but you know he wants to get sick. And all of it is just great. You write on that one. I'm going to go call a homicide.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why do you act like this every time we around a dead body? It's cool. I just, you know. Please, look around. The smell and the few. It's just unexpected. That's all.

Next one. So Marcus, when he meets Julie in the apartment and the two ineptit men chase them, I just, I was like, I think you needed aneptitman scene, right? You need the one guy who's out of breath, the other guy is, but it establishes that whole thing. It's just a good action scene. Mike and Marcus, the role reversal when they're in the office, they haven't seen each other in a while. And Will Smith Yeah, Will Smith said

Or Will Smith says your family The place is a zoo And he gets up Oh, call my place no zoo I'm tired. Okay, I got married so I can stop lying. You know what? I cannot believe you complain it.

You got it easy compared to me living in that zoo you call home. Why you got to call my place a zoo? I'm tired of you talking that stuff, man. I'm saying, no way, but don't go on my place no zoo. Yeah. No, when he's talking to his wife, when, when, when,

that's the best part of my seat. Yeah. So what's you wearing? Nah, it'll be 10, 3, 11 o'clock. Right. Nah, no, don't wait up. Don't wait up, yeah. So, yeah, won't you rent a movie or something?

You know, something we can kick back. So what you're wearing? Man, give me the phone. Give me the phone. Why don't you go pick up a movie or something? It's so good. Yeah. But that leads right to them going back to his apartment

and the vet, the masseuse, and him seeing the dog on the furniture. So I'm lumping those two together. I think that's a really good stretch. I have the liquor store scene in there. Not to cut you off, but I just realized on the first apartment scene, they played Tupac's Me Against the World.

Damn near the whole song. And I've never heard, that was the first time I ever heard a song be played for that long in a scene. And it's something that I just found, like really kind of just. saw rewatching this or something that I heard was like, they're playing like the third verse of that song.

I don't know. Does that, you guys know more about movies than I do? Does that something that happens? They should have to do that line. Yeah. They went super long on me against the world on that. I don't,

I don't know what that was 95. Pop was the hottest thing in the streets. That's actually me against the world. That's pre all eyes on me, Pop. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's still in jail. You know, you know what I'm saying?

So like, he's the hottest thing in Oakland, that's like, that's something that you throw in your movie to sublimity tell your audience, okay, we're cool, and these guys are cool, because they're listening to an incarcerated Tupac Shakur. I had that in What Sage the Best because the particular choice of that song completely roots this movie in 1995 along with the Jordan retired part. Those are the two most early 95 things you could put in a movie, basically, and they nailed

both of them. And I thought it was great. Just a couple more rewatchable scenes. The liquor store scene, it's short, but it's, but it's. great. The guy, Hey, mother bitches! That's another

cameo. You know who that guy is. Is that the guy from Men in Black or am I tripping? No, that guy, see, you guys are not nerdy enough. The guy is getting the lickers.

I'm plenty nerdy enough. Who was it? Well, that guy is the guy who helped Tony Stark create the Iron Man suit when he was kidnapped by the guys

in the original Iron Man That's the doctor that Tony Stark got it and he comes back in Iron Man 3. That's the doctor. I should have looked his name up that helps him mate the suit. That saves Tony's life and puts him in a thing. Got it. He gets killed right before they leave. I looked at him, there he is right there.

And I love that scene. It was my favorite scenes I was a kid too. Hey, Van, good shit, bro. Because I was not where I was going with it at all. Where were you going? I was just saying it was a continuation of what we talked about earlier about Will and Martin using arguments and conflict to distract before they fucking threaten a dude or put guns to their faces, right? This is how they get out of a jam as arguing with each other.

And that was just another evolution. Do you think any real-life cops tried to do this and just completely screwed it up? It seems like there's a higher degree of difficulty to be fake argument to distract somebody there. You're about to pull your gun out. I don't know. Yeah. I think it only works in action movies. but this does lead to

get me some tropical fruit bububilicious and some skittles. And some skittles. Hey, freeze, bitch! You freeze, bitch. Oh, shit. I'm fucked. Now back up, put the gun down,

and give me a pack of tropical fruit bobbolicious and some skittles. The only problem with that is I think in at least, because they really, really, really marketed this movie when it came out. And they stepped on, like, them singing bad boys in the car, some of that. And I think that scene

was in the commercial. I don't know if it was, I don't know if it was ad-lived on that one, but it's perfect comedic timing for Martin to say. And some skills. To let that,

to let that stop and let it ride and some skittles. It's great. You got to look like, you had the sneer on that one. That was pretty good. Did you?

Yeah. I've been watching bad boys. I've been watching the bad boys raised me. I've watched all bad boys my whole life. Yeah. Yes. Two more.

The hotel lobby shootout, which leads to Will Smith running in slow motion and him saving Martin Lawrence's life. And then really peak Michael Bay after the getaway. He has the on-the-brown camera looking up at those guys. He can't do better than that. Well, that was him establishing his style. Yep. We're going to see that scene with Optimus Prime. We're going to see that scene with so many different, like, that's him establishing his style right there.

That's what he does. That is like a A minus. And Michael Bay's point of view. For us, it's an A plus scene. At least for me, it's an A plus scene. For Michael Bay,

I think he's still kicking himself like, yo, man, we should have got that shirt off, bro. We should have just told Will Smith to take that whole shirt off. It would have been perfect. It was the perfect combination of action feeling

because you got to understand during that movie, like, Martin's going through a shootout where he sees his wife and who thinks he's cheating on her. There's so many emotions. They take away the hostage who Julie should have just been chilling. If she just doesn't do anything, if she doesn't go to club hell, this never happens.

But there's a lot of emotion in this as well as the action component. So I think that this is just the perfect Michael Basing. You see the sweat glistening of a wheel. All that. So much slomo. Just slowmo over the head. It's just like, dude, what are we doing? He's just like, oh, this is so great.

Don't you see this? This is great. You can see him in the edit bay just watching the Daily's, of Will Smith running in slow motion, just like stroking a cat going, oh, yeah. He's like, he's like, LL would have took his shirt off. LL would have took his shirt off on this one. Last rewatchable scene is just the ending,

the driving scene, which is basically a Porsche advertisement. Right. But I like it. I like the role reversal of Martin Lawrence doing it. The classic, the guy's dead. Oh no, he might not be dead. He's grabbing for his gun, boom, boom, all that stuff. What do you got, Logan, for most rewatchable?

My most rewatchable scene is the, I think we're going to get into this a little bit later, is the gunfight, is the end, the end scene, the final scene we go to. Well, now, I guess it's not the final scene. Before they go. Before the car chase? Before the car chase.

I think that's my most rewatchable scene. Just for the simple fact that everything comes to a head in that one there, we finally, we see, it's right after John Sally just cracks the case on who, on who is the dirty cop. Yeah. And then they go all, everything. is coming together in this moment.

And I think that everyone gets shot. There's a perfect amount of cornyness into this scene. There's a perfect amount of action in this scene. And you know, you get the Martin Lawrence scene when he says, you forgot your board pass and like shoots, shoots the ether. I think that that's the most, uh,

rewisible scene from my point of view is, is that last one. And the fact that I think we're going to get into this later, but just the fact that, um, that the studio just dropped the ball in so many ways. Just give them a poor. man, just give him the extra 20 Gs

so he can do this scene. Because it's a... Just do it, man. Please. Like, just give him... It's 20 G's in the thing. So I would say that this is my most rewisible scene is the final gunfight.

Van? Almost all of the scenes that I went back and really loved about the movie have to do more with comedy than action. I laughed hysterically throughout the whole movie. My favorite scene is the baloney scene. It's just baloney. My baloney has a first name.

Well, actually, your bologna has about 30 names, you know, because they take, like, odd parts from all different ones, you know, like the leftovers, like the hooves, you know, stomach lining, ears, stuff like that. You know, and they put it into this machine and, like, grind it all up, and then out comes like this sheet, you know, that's, like, what you're eating now. Okay. You know what?

I don't need bologna. I don't need baloney no more. First of all, it's not the first time that the Taya Lione character, who we haven't talked about yet, who this was a launching path for Taya Lione as much as it was for anybody else, because she went on to have some years up there flirting with the A-List, if not on the A-List. I say she was definitely on the A-List.

A-M-M-A-M-M-A-M-Min for a while, and this movie is kind of the launching path for that. But when they're sitting down and he's eating a baloney sandwich, and she is so fed up with him that she's trying to, rolling him out of his meal, telling him how they made the bologna. And by the way, that was in the bologna phase of my life. That was before I myself had got too grown for bologna. That's before I myself wanted a nice cut of thin slice of-tracle.

Yeah, I was into the bologna. So that bologna sandwich looked good to me. She talks him right out of it and makes him dip his pickle in his drink. No, no, she didn't make him do that. He did that out of just like, I am tired of you. It was the reaction of that. But she still compelled him to do it. So when I watched the scene, I just, I laughed my face off because it's on his face,

how disgusted. She's getting what she wants like that. There's a couple of them. But all of mine are those little intimate comedy scenes that happen between the characters. I really do feel like when you watch bad boys, as much of an action comedy it is, it's really a comedy action. Yeah. The comedy, to me, is what carries.

this film, that it is so funny. I think that it's also funny when you talk about the baloney scene because it just maybe think about it. I know we'll get back down to this and unanswerable questions, but the weird sexual tension that, uh, that Julie has for, I wouldn't even necessarily say Will Smith or Martin Lawrence, but Mike Lowry as an idea that she has, remember there's the scene where she's like, she's trying to, like, proposition. She's trying to have sex with, uh, Marcus Burnett, Mike Lowry type person, right?

And that towards the end of the movie, then she just has this like infatuation with the real Mike Lowry, right? And it goes into the reputation that the Mike Lowry character has is this guy that just has sex with a lot of women. You know what I mean? He's just a desirable dude, right? And her best, like think about it, her best friend gets killed. Her best friend dealt with Mike Lowry. She still wanted to smash the idea of Mount Lowry. That's just what it was.

And I think that was something that you get throughout the entire movie is that that weird tension. with the idea of Michael Howard. All right. I have for most rewatchable, I have the first scene. That's fair. If I'm flipping channels and I see it in the cable guide

and it's about to start, I'm so excited. I'm like, oh, this is great. I get this first five. By the way, this movie's on Netflix right now for the people listening. What's age the best?

We're behind schedule. I'm going to plow through this. What's age the best? Younger Will Smith, the music. They only dabble in this a little bit, but I like in these movies where there's the two rival cops

when they have the scene where they just bust each other's balls and do that. Running scared, mastered it and then a lot of other movies borrowed from it, but I was enjoyed it. I enjoyed Chet the Doorman. I had a whole thing about me

against the world, but I always talked about it. I like the Passenger 57 references have age really nicely, even though that movie's almost 30 years old, but I like that they mention it and then they come back to it later. Maxie,

aka Max. two movies on her IMDB. She's a big time model, though. She's a huge model. You said past tense, big time model. Present tense, still big time model. She's like one of the most famous over 40 models in the world, apparently. She was in this movie and she played in a movie called Replagator in 1998.

She played brainwashed hooker. So obviously couldn't really find her foothold. in the acting side, but crushed it on the model side. She's delightful. I don't know why she wasn't in more movies. I mean, she's great. I don't know why she wasn't in this movie more. Like, why she got to get killed off.

Yeah, they should kill F T and Leone. You guys are missing the era. This was the era. The era, this era was so supermodel heavy that they all tried acting. Naomi Campbell was in. Tyra. Tyra tried it.

Naomi Campbell was in Miami Rhapsody. Crawford. Crawford did fair game with William Ballwin. All of them at a certain point. Romaine Stamos. She was a little bit more successful. But then what was the other movie? Kathy Ireland.

The other lady that did it, El McPherson. Poroscova. A couple movies. Strong J. Like all of all of those ladies. Strong J, all of those ladies. So that was her thing. She was seeing with that one little deal

if she was going to be able to jump into it. They were all doing it. I got one more. what stage the best, and then you guys can chime in, but we're behind schedule. In 1994, Porsche 9-11, the 3.6, only one of 1,47 produced. I'm a tiny bit of a car nerd. I don't talk about it that much. This was the last rear-wheel drive Porsche Turbo.

So it's kind of just by chance, a famous year. because after that year, they went full-wheel drive, and it was just the old-school Porsche nerds feel like the real-world drive. A piece of y'all died, huh? Slightly different experience. So just randomly, this was the year Michael Bay had the car, and it's a famous car. And this is a famous car movie.

That's why I mailed you the 10 best Porsches in a movie piece that I mailed you guys, because this is like an iconic car movie. How stressed are you, Michael Bay, that your car is being every day, that kind of, how rare it is, that it's just, it's just, on a fucking movie scene, a movie set, and people are driving it recklessly, to the fullest capabilities. This was the deal he made with himself,

knowing that he would get shirtless Will Smith at some point in his daily's in slow motion. If I get Will to take half his shirt off, this all be worth it. Any other, I would stage the best for you guys? Miami. That's what I had. That's so crazy that you said that.

I was going to say, actually just Miami as the backdrop to the movies. Like now, I go to, to the movies just to watch. Miami is probably my favorite city in the country. So Miami, as a backdrop to these films, age the best, and the comedy itself, the banter. I love one of the favorite, one of my favorite,

the funniest scenes in the movie is like, why don't you have, why don't y'all just have y'all cousins bring the dope back? You know, we were going to do that. It's a problem. Your mama, your mama snorted up all the heroin. Hysterical. That's the type of shit that keeps me coming back to a movie

year and year and year after to watch it because I remember those jokes. Yeah. what's age the worst. So the MJ retirement joke. Everybody wants to be like Mike. Yeah, and you're going to be retired like him too. I'd have dunked it on your ass.

MJ came back before this movie came out. And it was this really funny moment in the theater because you're going to be retired like him. And meanwhile, he had played 10 games with the Bulls. He was already back. So that's like the all. All time age the worst. It aged the worst, like, in five seconds.

Carjacking? There was this whole stretch with, like, 90s movies with carjacking scenes that now they don't really happen in movies like the same way they do. So just as a premise, I don't think it has the same impact where in the mid-90s, these scenes would happen over and over again, like, here comes the carjacking scene. So in a way, like, almost being surprised by a carjacking scene. is almost age the best. I feel like, I feel like this era of,

this 90s era of carjacking, like birth Grand Theft Auto series, like the whole Grand Theft Auto series, of just like opening up car doors and just randomly like hot wiring them and stuff. Doesn't feel special like it did in 95. Yeah. You can't do that with a push to start.

It just doesn't happen. But also, like, you jack my car now, I'm gonna call to people. I'm gonna call to people and say, yo, my car is out on Wilshire, man. Stop the car, go get, you know what I'm saying? So, like, stuff changed. But carjacking used to be bad.

They used to tell you, I remember when I was first going to buy my car, this was like 97, they would tell you which cars got jacked the most so that you didn't get one. It was always like a weird Toyota. It was pre-low Jack. I don't even know if we had the club back then. Oh, that's stuff. More would stage the worst. The Joey pants hoop scene.

He's playing basketball. He's also smoking a cigar. His shots aren't hitting the backboard. He's just taking 12-5. footers, they're going over the backboard. I don't know what the fuck is going out of the scene. Like, why they didn't... I was hitting all of them before you motherfuckers got in here.

I was saying, the backboard. The whole cigar thing, that's weird. The club hell car chase, we mentioned earlier. That's the only... Even though I enjoy it, it's the only section. I don't know, man. I don't know.

I feel, I know it feels shoehorned in, but without that scene, you don't... How does Mike Lowry's... Not Mike Lerner. How does Marcus Burnett's family know that he's fucked up. Like, how does that happen?

Because the news camera shows them. It's still a notable, a notable scene in the movie, right? I get that issue, her and in, but she doesn't find that out. Julie's showing up with a gun to go kill the people. It's a, it's a stretch. What age is the worst, though?

What age is the worst, though, is kids snitching on their father right there. I think that that's what really helps. Because they saw that the mom wasn't even in the room, and they snitching on their father who's supposed to be in Cleveland. and they out their dad. Well, Logan, you don't have kids yet.

I'll just tell you, kids are snitches. Don't ever trust your own kids. You have to teach them not to snitch. That's what I'm saying. They just want to impress mom. They're always going to sell out dad for mom. Trust me. It happens in my house twice a week.

Another one's aged at worst is, so the lady, the internal affairs lady, who only has a couple scenes. Mark Helgenberger, who had a really good career. She was on China Beach. She's really good. species. China Beach. Yeah. She's great in species. And she's on CSI forever. She's a great career.

Her character sucks in this movie. I don't know why they botched it. But you know what? Her character is the psychologist character and lethal weapon. The lady who just keeps popping up for no reason. Wet blanket. Wet blanket and just like getting on their ass about something. Like, why is that Jesus and care? You've got to have that character, though. You do have to have that character because they have to bring a sense of urgency to the film. Like, inherently they have to say, we're going to shut you down. That's police movie

101. Is that some, the internal affairs that we're tired of this shit you guys are doing this police department. You guys have to clean it up and you only have four days to do it. They had to have that character. It's a role that was dying to have somebody who was funny in that role. It's like in 2018, that's like

a Tiffany Haddish. I'm only in two scenes, but I'm going to own this as the head of internal affairs or whatever. It's just weird. It's a weird vibe. two more for me. So Tia Leone this is Julie, her character Julie, this is like an 80s, 90s thing.

She's friends with the call girl. She's going to go on the whatever with the call girl, but she's not a call girl. She's going to go, but she's not whatever. Bill, you're from the high plains. No, so what would you, what's the term of this

if you're not quite a call girl, but you're call girl, adjacent. You're the call girl's friend. You're the call girl's friend. Yeah. What's you talking about? My homie is, it's just a call girl.

It feels like there's some extra expectations. No, no, well, no, there was some extra expectations from the madam, it seemed like. Yes, that's what I'm getting at. Yeah, from the madam, she said that. So Tia Leone is like, my

roommate's a call girl. She's going, she has a job for a couple hours. I'm just going to tag. I'm going to get dressed up and tag along. It was supposed to. be a party. Yeah. Remember?

Well, she gets there and there's one person. There's one person there. Maybe at that point you're like, I'm out. That's what she said. That's what she said five minutes. Right. She said five minutes, but she went up to use the bathroom. But the time she came down.

You guys are Julie defenders. I think deep down. I am not a Julie defender. I did not like her character at all in this. I have not. But she got to have friends, Bill. Yeah. And in Miami, you know,

she was dipping her toe into the call girl pool. What are what the temperature was? I think Bill is saying like, yo, she didn't have to go. She didn't have to go on a trip before you're doing. What good outcome is there for a moment ago with my call girlfriend to this party where there's a lot of cocaine? First of all, don't you dare besmirch the call girls out there? Protect sex workers, you know what I'm saying?

Protect sex workers, you know what I mean? Protect sex workers. Number one, number two, she asked her friend to come to a party. Where did they go to the party? It turned out that it was dope. drugs and they got killed. You guys. Last one for what stage is the worst. We mentioned how they nailed two very 95 things.

They nail me against the world. Pock. They nail the Michael Jordan reference, although it eventually became dated. No OJ joke. They were just like one, like a Marsha Clark joke, maybe like a Chris Arden, some sort of stealth OJ, like any sort of reference would have put us right in early 95.

Do you think that it was too new to do that? Because I'm assuming that they did that. Yeah, because they had filmed it, I'm assuming, in 94, right? They filmed the summer 94. And it wasn't a thing yet. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it wasn't a thing. I wish I had stuck it in.

Any other would say it's the worst for a move on? My worst, what's age the wurch is I got a couple. Martin Lawrence is fits, man. They're just terrible in this movie. In my opinion, I don't like the vests over the tank top. I get that as Miami, but you're a cop, bro. Like, don't do that. Nobody wears that.

And that's a big indication of how trash. A big indication of how trash that was and how it did not age the best is you know how in the night. We are the 90s fashion is starting to come back. We are not wearing with Martin Lawrence wore in that movie. Logan, I hate to break it to you. What's up? Motherfuckers was dressing like that, dog. I'm just saying it didn't.

We're talking about what age is the best. It did not age right. We're not doing this anymore. We're not doing the best over the, over the chest. Oh, the vest was a staple. Listen, young fellow, I'm telling you. Oh, dude, the question. First day of school, first day of school, eighth grade,

1994, I went and got the Carl Kinnai vest, right, with a little patch on it. The whole joint, shout out Carl Knais. And I was a little chubby. And the girl told me, you know, you wear this with no shirt. I said, I'm going to need a shirt. I'm not about to show these titty still a whole eighth grade. You know what I mean? I'm doing this for you, queen.

I'm doing this for you. Right, I'm going to need a shirt. But nah, demo in the Baton Rouge, but not. They used to dress like that, trust me. What else do you have for what stage is worse? We got to keep moving. Bovo hatchbacks. Not very good.

Not much speed. Bovo hatchbacks as an undercover car. Because you do need to get out in a Dodge, and I don't think that they did a good job of that. Could have had a speedier car. That's having a Prius as an undercover car. It still needs to get up out of there. That's a safe car.

That's a car you get for your 16-year-old daughter. It's like six years old. You know if she crashes it, nobody's going to get hurt. You don't want that car to chase. Also, like, you don't want, if you do get that for your little kid, they can't go to the party in the Volvo hat spec. They have to park four blocks down the street. It's not a good, it's not a good look.

Casting what ifs. So this is a Jerry Simpson, Don Brooke, I'm sorry, Don Simpson, Jerry Brookheimer movie, which I should have mentioned at the top. This was, they had been ripping off Beverly was cop, but Top Gun just hit after hit after hit after hit. Don Simpson was kind of unraveling that. famously.

Had some issues. If there was a substance, he probably tried it a lot. Don Simpson was getting it going. Legendary. So they want Dana Carvey and John Lovitz to be bad boys. This is earlier 90s.

They write the film for them. It's called Boltproof Hearts. Simpson is excited that they're going to be in the movie. Brings them to Las Vegas. Carvey is so horrified by, Simpson over the course of this Vegas trip, backs out, withdraws, and the movie ends up going into turnaround and goes from Disney to Columbia just because of Don Simpson's Vegas thing. So the lesson, as always, is Don Simpson was a maniac.

Michael Bay really wanted Will Smith, thought Will Smith was a movie star, but got a little lucky because Arsenio Hall turned down the role of Mike Lowry. Oh, Jesus Christ. And now says it's the worst mistake he ever made. I would say it's the best mistake he's ever made because he... Nobody... I love Arsenio and what he's done for the culture.

No one would have won if Arsenio was in Will Smith. Can you imagine him in the slow motion shirt open? Like... No! I can't imagine that car scene, the opening scene, I just don't see it with... If you put Arsenio in that scene, I don't see that. I just...

I'm glad he didn't do that. He's glad he didn't know. Martin Lawrence told GKEe magazine once that Lawrence Fishburn also turned down the role of Mike Lowry. And this is interesting because we could do... That would have worked. We could do a whole rewatchables podcast

of all the movies that Lawrence Fishburn turned down. When we had Tarantino on... Fishburn, he thought, was the best actor of the 90s, and he wrote Jules for him for Pulp Fiction, and he had turned in that down and went to Sam Jackson. He turned down Die Hard 3. He turned down Mike Lowry. I think he turned down seven iconic movies

over the course of, like, five years. I got to be honest with you. I can't think of one of those movies that if cast it, I can't make an argument that he would have done a better job. I would have loved to have seen him as Jules. It's hard to imagine anybody else

other than the Will being Mike Carl O'Rleary, but what Lawrence Fishburn would have brought to it, this would have been a different movie. Would have been crazy. As Jules, I think it would have been, every time I listen to you guys do that, and I've listened to that podcast several times, I reimagine the movie.

That is crazy. that we was born to me. Lawrence Fishburn, born to play jewels. Now, Sam Jackson, obviously, is his signature role, but still, man, that's a cold-ass pill to swallow.

Lawrence Fishburn, this die-hard and Pulp Fiction. God damn, still had a fantastic career. But until fucking Morpheus, you got to be kicking yourself in the fucking face, man. That's crazy. And then that's how I got to,

got. That's that guy, a.k. The Joey Pants Award. Well, everyone's ineligible because Joey Pants is in this movie. So one of our rules is if Joey Pants is in the movie, he just automatically wins the Joey Pants Award. The bad guy in this movie, though, the French guy. To Catchy Carol, whatever his

name is. He's a good that guy, because nobody knows how to say his name, so they just know him as that guy from bad boys. Or that guy from the Patriot. Right. Like when I, and so, like, he's in the Patriot, too. I can't say his name. I've seen him in a million things. he is the Joey Pants of this movie.

I don't know. I've seen a bunch of things. Don't know how I say his name. If Joey Pants wasn't in the movie, he'd be the Joey Pants. The Brandy Booth Award for Best Performance by a Pet. Julie's Pet, this is the first time we've given it. We've had this award for, I'm going to say, 20 movies now. This is the first zero out of 10 I'm giving to a pet.

Zero choose out of 10. I hate this little dog. They hate them too. They hate them too. It's just the worst. Ruins Mike's apartment was annoying to look at. I didn't like how she barked. Just nothing.

Also, you got, they just, Marcus Barnett has to carry them and stuff. And they're like fucking going all over the place during the shooting scene. They almost got somebody killed. Honestly, if that's me, listen, fuck the dogs. We're about to just do that.

Just going to go. Like, what do you want me to do? You know what I mean? Marcus Barnett went all the way to go get those dogs because they were just in their own mind. You almost got them. They almost got the everyone killed. I'm sorry.

The good news is Will Smith, at least kind of knocks it off the couch at one point. Dan Waiters Award is loaded. We have Joey Pants. Mm-hmm. We have Michael Pirioli as Jojo. Jojo. Yeah, you're still a chemist, right?

You're cutting drugs and shit like that, huh? Oh, I don't know nothing about that, man. I'm out of the drug business. You know something? No, you don't know nothing. No, I just said no to drugs. You said no to drugs. What you went to, Joe?

Rubber, rubber, rubber. Rubber? Check it out. You're selling tires, huh, Joe? Yeah. So you don't know nothing. Joe don't know nothing. No.

No tires. All right. You're telling me the truth, right? Would I lie to you? Would you lie to me? Love that. That was my going away, by the way. We have liquor store guy, who's only one scene.

We have two-time NBA champion John Sally. He might even be a three-time NBA champ. It's really funny when he stands up. It's a really nice sight gag that they did a great job with. I'm giving it to Max. I fucking love Max. I can't believe they killed Max. It hurts every time.

I like every part of the thing. I like that Will Smith is so attached to her. Meanwhile, he's got... He's juggling 28 girls in his life, but Max, obviously is a little special. That's not the point, though, Bill. That's not the point. That's not the point.

She is the one. Have you seen Max? Wouldn't you be falling over, Max? She was beautiful. She was amazing. What about shit? Chet the door, man? Yeah.

Yeah. He's in the conversation. He's not mine. Who do you guys? I have Max. Who do you guys have? Go ahead. Go ahead, Van.

I had Jojo. I had the Michael Imperialia character. Just because I just, I just also I get tickled when I look back at movies and I see a guy who's what a little whippersnapper he's got such great things in his future

but I also genuinely love the character like he's just like a dufous informant type guy was super dope but Chet Chet had me I really laughed hard at this movie like Chet is hysterical Does Chet die? Does he get shot at the end there?

I think he does right? He doesn't die though Oh it's a flesh Chet looks that is such a, it's really a good performance. Chad looks outside. He goes,

who's the chick? How's your wife? Right there. And like, and just continues to extort him. Just a hilarious scene. I loved it. But I would have to give it

to Michael Imperialis character, though, Joe Joe. There's only, I know that we have a loaded class. There's only one answer to this question, man. It's the captain. You are Mike Lowry.

You beat him. That's what you are. You're him. I don't want to hear it. You're him. And you, you, you are you. You be you, but not in front of her. You are him, you are you.

It is the captain every time, and it's the captain in every movie. He's coming in hot. The general definition of the Dion Waiters Award is getting 15 minutes, 15 points in about 10 minutes. He's only in like three scenes. It's very fair. He kills it every single time. He's throwing, he's looking LeBron off, he's looking AD off,

and he's getting 25. on 10 of 12 shooting. Like, what are we, I don't even know what we're talking about. I actually feel like he's better in the next movie. Going back and watching this one. Yeah, I feel like he's actually better in the next movie.

Going back and watching this one, he kind of had a muted performance as much as I remember. He's dope. But I feel like he's better. He does the, he does the Michael Jordan reference, which is a buzzer-beater at the halftime. It just, it's what it is.

He just goes in on them. No one, no one goes in. on Will Smith in this movie other than Martin Lawrence like the captain does. No one does. So what's up?

I think he's the correct answer. I'm personally giving it to Max. And I'm very upset she was only in this movie and replicate her too. But at least we can Google or online. She's still modeling. This is not the DJ Banga Award, though, Bill.

This is the Dion Waiters Award. I need to be upset when Max dies. I need to be as upset as Will Smith was. And I am every time when I watch this. recasting couch, there's a really interesting world in which Hallie Barry is in the Tia Leone part. Yeah. Because, and this is something Wesley talked about when we did the boomerang thing, how there was a comedic side to her that movies, maybe it was because of the time when she started to rise up that movies just steered clear of that I think she could have done really well in this movie. But I still really like Tia Leone. I like having her as a brunette, too. She ended up going blonde later.

I like Brunette Tia Leonie, I thought it was good. So that was the only one I thought. I think that with Hallie, there's like a charisma there that even if she fucks up, that, I forgive you. You know what I mean? Right. You know when she like leaves the house like, damn, Hallie. I respect.

Okay. All right. Just don't do that again. Please. You know, we're trying to solve a case here. Whereas there was just an annoyance when the, when the original Julie is just going out. It's just like she's just causing hell and stuff. And I just feel like Hallie would have just done a better job at that.

So I agree with you. We're three minutes away from killing Julie's character, but hold, by the way, I recasted Julie too. I don't know why. Who'd you have? I recast Jennifer Anderson. Oh. Oh, okay. Oh, wow.

I'd like this. Yeah, I had Jennifer Anderson. So, it, it, you remember, what was the Jennifer Annas? I always forget the name of this movie. The Jennifer Anderson movie with Ed Burns and all the rest. Is it She's the one? She's the one. Yeah.

Okay. So kind of in She's the one, there's this scene where is Jennifer. for Anson and the guy and a specific energy I thought of and the guy goes, I'm having an affair with somebody else. And she goes, who is he? Because she had been, remember that? Yeah, she thought he was gay. She thought he was gay.

And she really knew that it was a girl, but she was fucking with him. You see, that little snide energy that she brings in that? Yeah. I thought it would have been, I thought she could have pulled this roll off even in a little bit of a different way than Taya Leone did. I thought she'd have been less grading on me when I saw the movie. And it was around the right time, too, if we're in 94. That would have been a time for Jennifer Aniston to step up and do her thing.

For some reason, I kept seeing and feeling Jennifer Anderson into Julie Role. Good one. Have Fast Surnernernered Research. Both of these guys were in hit TV shows, as we mentioned. Some of the editing stuff with how cheap the sets were, the heroin heist was the biggest example. They made everything super dark in that. they barely had enough money to film stuff. So anytime anything's dark in this movie,

it's because they were saving money. There was a lot of improvisation in this movie. Smith calls Lawrence a bitch at one point, which Lawrence didn't know what was going to happen, and Lawrence actually got mad, and there's like some real energy gone because he didn't know Smith was going to do that.

Same thing with Tia Leone when she thinks the two guys are gay because they had all the pictures of the other guy. Martin Lawrence didn't know she was going to do that, and was kind of reacting off it. The whole liquor store scene was improvised. And then the most interesting thing was at the end, when Marcus says, I love you, man.

And Mike's like, I love you, too, man. Bay said Will Smith didn't want to say, I love you too. And they argued about it for half a day's shoot. It was going. It was going. Then it finally got to the point where we had to film it, and Bay was pissed off. He's like, you do whatever you wanted. and basically guilt-chipped him

and Smith ended up saying it. What's that about? Listen. I'm staying away. Stayed away. When they stick the goon's head in the urinal at Club Hell. Right. Disgusting, by the way.

By the way, it really seemed like that dude's head hit the urinal like hard. Yes. I don't feel like that was CGI'd. But apparently for urine, Michael use Gatorade cross with Coca-Cola. So if you ever want to make your own urine at home to gross people out, that's what Michael Bay said.

We talked about the big explosion cost $25,000 at a Bay's pocket. We talked. Oh, T. Leone was accidentally knocked out by Martin Lawrence's stunt double. Got hit accidentally by an AK-47 and was out. And I had to go to the hospital and it slowed down the filming. All right. Apex Mountain. Will Smith, no.

No. Martin Lawrence, you guys say no. You guys are saying Big Mama's House 2000. No. No, no, no, no. We're saying that he had a second life is what we're saying. Right. I say yes for him because he's in Martin

and this movie becomes a massive hit. And I think it has to be this. He's doing deaf comedy jam at this point as well, right? Okay. Yeah. I can say that. I mean, I could do that. I think me and Vann's argument was more so of like

put some more respect on Martin Lawrence's name. He had a second life. I think his Apex Mountain is probably life. I really do. I think it's probably life. Yeah, but Apex Mountain is for, when does somebody have the most juice in their career? Yeah, he didn't have that as this much juice after life.

Because like, coming out of this movie, he's doing whatever the fuck he wants. That's probably true. If he's like, hey, I've decided to do a rap album, people have been like, cool, here's some money. Yeah, yeah, because he was on a row. He was like that level. I say it correct.

Yeah. I think this was the Apex Mountain for Club Hell. I don't think it ever got better for Club Hell. I don't know if that was a real club. I think it sounded like a Club Stefan would make up on SNL. Michael Bay, no. Mid-1990s, Porsche's, yes. T. Leone, no.

Any other Apex Mountains? No. I have a question. I have a question. Is it Apex Mountain for Miami movies? Great question. You have Scarface, but is this, I mean, is this? Oh, it's definitely.

there's definitely more than Scarface. Scarface was in 83, and then we don't come back to Miami for years. Okay, so is this Apex Mountain for Miami-Bi-Bi-Movies? So Van said earlier how Miami-aged the best. To me, Miami is like Gene Hackman. It was never born. It never aged. It's always perfect in every location.

So 80s, Miami, 90s, Miami, 2010's Miami. I just think it wins every time. I don't feel like I've ever changed my opinion on Miami. So that would be my case for no. Okay. Mid-90s porches, though. Is it the Apex Mountain?

Well, not the Apex Mountain. Have we gotten another significant buddy cop movie after this? Yeah, well, we've had many. Like what? I mean, a lot of them didn't work, right? Remember Bulletproof came out. No, I mean, like another good one. Has there ever been another hit one?

People would argue Rush Hour. Rush Hour, I guess, would count. Rush Hour will count. Those are two cops. It's the same thing. Once again. Yeah, it's the same thing. Okay, cool.

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Picking Nets. All my picking nits are Julie related. Why didn't they just tell... Yeah, I mean, she's the centrifugal force for all the picket nits. Why didn't they just tell her earlier that Mike was Marcus, Marcus was Mike? They could have banned that out a half hour earlier. What difference is it going to make?

Say it when you're in the car. Like, when she's in the car with, you just say it. After they initially do it. the thing, like they do the switch, maybe because she wouldn't go. Remember, she was like, I'm only going to talk to Mike Lauer. Michael Lauer. Okay, so you do there, you protect it for a night, and then you go, just to let you know, this is actually Michael Lauer. We just wanted you to be safe.

It makes no sense. It makes for a good subplot. It's almost like a different movie, by the way. Some kind of weird French comedy that they're doing like on the underbelly of the movie. But like, it makes no sense to keep that rules going. Well, you know what it is. It's an homage to the stuff I grew up with where Threes Company. which was one of the biggest shows of the 70s,

every episode is some sort of misunderstanding or somebody thought this, or I have to pretend to be this because we're going to get in trouble if they find out. Mr. Furley thinks that Jack is... Yeah, yeah. So to me, it's like an homage to that,

but they could have gotten out of it 20 minutes before because I actually think it's a better movie if they get out of it earlier and then Mike and Julie have some sexual attention because that might be the only way to redeem the Julie character. Right. Right.

I think, I think, My biggest thinking it is just, and I know this is probably just going to, like, throw off the whole movie, but there's so much, like, police malpractice in here. Like, I just, I think I brought this earlier of them just coming in the house, like, oops. Bro, I actually, we didn't get to my what age the worst. Yeah. But, but all of that shit like that. There's no warrant, bro. There's that.

There's no warrant. They just went in. Bro, also, even in the last scene where they shoot the drug dealer, he's running away, my G. Like, you shot him literally in the back and he's running away from him. And we have to talk about this. We don't want to, like, all of that stuff that happens in movies like that now, every time it happens, I'm significantly triggered. Yeah. Every time that happens, I'm like, yo, man, you didn't read that man.

His Miranda rights. You know what I mean? It doesn't count when you do it in the Porsche and he can't hear you, bro. Yeah. You didn't even read that. You need Miranda is that man. See, this what the fuck? We're talking about the whole thing.

I just couldn't help it. Everybody's going to be all pissed off, all that. But I'm just saying. Bro, even fucking something like, like, police malpractice. aside like shit like like martin lawrence jumping on a taxi cab bro what the fuck are you doing bro what are you doing he should have gotten killed like three times in that scene but but the police malpractice is definitely a picky need i think it's a big picky knit and i think that it could have been done better a little bit at least have the guy turn around before you shoot him julie

couple more julie nitpicks she sees all of mike's pictures of just mike at various stages of his life with different members of his family and friends. And it still hasn't 100% occurred to her that maybe they bait and switched her with Mike and Marcus. She's like 40% there. That plus the fact that he doesn't know even where to turn the light on in is the own apartment. Come on. And he's not cool. And she has this call girl roommate who talked about what an amazing guy this guy was.

And she's still trying to like have sex with him and like, I don't know if you're cool, but I heard that you're cool. So let's kind of do it. It's like it's just, it's weird. why was Julie rooming with a call girl? Was she a call girl in training? I thought call girls, do they need roommates? What is awkward? She's a Miami call girl.

She's a high girl. What needs a roommate? Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, no. It's like, what did she go? She put it at it? Hey, Miami call girl needs roommate. Doesn't have to also be call girl. Or maybe she just put an ad for her.

roommate and somebody asked it and then it turned out that she was a call girl because call girls and that's my partner. That's my homie. That's my homie. That's my home girl. She's living by herself. She doesn't have a roommate. She's too cool for a roommate. She's like the best looking call girl of Miami. She's the roommate.

But what I'm saying is that she's okay a day. I have a retort to that. You're assuming that. You're assuming that. Okay, let me ask a question. Bill. Do guys in the NBA have friends that are not in the NBA? You're missing my point. She's making $200K a year. She's living by herself.

She's letting the girls stay with her. Are we sure she makes that much money? Because she also works as a gym as a personal trainer too. No, she wasn't working at the gym. She was working out at the gym, wasn't she? Yeah. But remember they going to the back room in her office? Did they not?

That's a good point. But she's got two jobs. She has at least two jobs to make rent. Right. She doesn't need a rim. I don't care. You never change my opinion. Oh, whoa, whoa, wait, wait.

By the way, she doesn't need a roommate, but the girl, they weren't roommates. Tia Leone says she's staying with her. She says, thank you for letting me stay with you. I'm an out of work photographer who can't cook. So Julie's a broke one. So Julie's broke. She says I'm, right. That's why she's a future call girl because she's like, oh, shut off.

No, no, no, no, no. You know what? Her niece is an apartment is. And even if she is a future call girl, so what? More power to the sex workers out there, to protect sex workers. Protect sex workers. I'm not judging the sex workers. I'm just pointing out a plot hole.

Yeah. Point out of a pot hole. Listen, listen, man. We don't know. We don't inherently know all the things that everyone does. It doesn't matter, man. She might just be her pod and then just a call girl. She's not judging.

All right. Well, flip me on this one. Julie wears the same clothes for six straight days. She has no clothes. Right. But I'm saying same clothes, no makeup? for six straight days? How does she look so good every day?

What is she hand washing her clothes and making makeup out of like cranberry juice? I don't know. She did have time though, which makes no sense that she ain't pack a bag. No, she did not have time to pack a bag. No, they got chased out of her apartment. Five minutes after Martin comes,

they start popping at her. She didn't have no time, though. She had time to grab something like that. She's looking really... She grabbed her dogs before she grabbed her makeup. She's looking great after six days. I'll just point that out. And we also don't know what kind of female clothes

Mike might have in his apartment. He had ladies stand overall. time. Maybe they had left some stuff there. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? No, thank you. No. No, I'm not into it. Probably in answerable questions. I only had two. First one is, did this movie premise lead to face-off with Nick Cage and John Travolta?

Where they had to switch identities? Why do I have face-off written down? You know why I have face-off written down? Because it's the same movie. Because Lisa Boyle was also in face-off, Bill. Wow. I bet you didn't know that, so probably so. but yeah, it's the same style

of movie as Face Off. I do it. Vans butering up Call Girls and Lisa Boyle in this podcast. Does he double down on his constituency? We hear. We hear right now. My is gone off the rails. My unanswerable question

is, did Julie ever get to get with the real Michael Lowry? Did that happen? So I had that answer. Was that a thing? Was that a thing? And my second one, They didn't set it up well enough where I felt like it was a foregone conclusion. Well, they got handcuffed afterwards and they weren't that mad about it. Right.

But they could have thrown in a knowing look. A kiss or maybe a kiss. Maybe a hug. Yeah. Anything. Or something. Or something. Or, and did the captain and the Internal Affairs lady have a past, like a some sort of past? Because they hint at it. They hint like, y'all need to get a room or something like that. They always hinted that that they have a little past. What is their past? my unanswerable question is what happened to Marcus's family like all of those kids in the sequel though I don't do those kids ever do those kids ever come back I know the daughter

kids I know the daughter comes back the daughter comes back no they do come back I think they do come back I think I don't like especially like those boys I don't ever remember seeing those boys ever again wait here's a bigger one what do and maybe you guys can answer this what did Mike's dad do to make that much money?

This is my other big one. What's the deal with Mike Lowry's trust fund? They just allude to it. It's like, should I be ashamed that my parents left me money? It's like, what? But he's buying like Ferrari's and shit.

Yeah, how much money? Yeah. How much money? It's a lot of money. I need a bad story. Like he, like he owned crazy eddies in the 80s or something. You never get that in two other movies.

They never tell you. You just have to accept it. Because by the time three comes along, he really rich because he didn't move on up because he in the big Miami high-rise condo joint now he's super so like not you never get that but here's the thing if you're gonna introduce that you either go all in on it or don't bring it up at all

yeah because it's like hey we're just gonna casually throw in that this is a trust fund kid but other movies that he's a dirty cop or something like if you're not going to fully answer the question well you would assume that he was a dirty cop if he had all of that if that was going on I just wish we would have known like he's a businessman or something It's an easy fix. You could have just said,

he's a trust fund baby because his dad did this or something. I don't know. Or his mom did this. Or his dad owned McDonald's. They could have crossed movies. That was, yep, like 40 McDonald's franchises. Who won the movie?

Will Smith. Will Smith won the movie because the fact that where he came from of Martin Lawrence, he even having to get politics to get into the movie to then becoming a movie. star. Second billing. Second billing to do that. And then as Van said before this, this goes into men and black. This goes into Independence Day. I don't think that happens necessarily without bad boys. Because you think about he's the parents don't understand guy. He's

the safe guy. He don't curse. He goes from that to going into Independence Day and going to all these things. So I think Will won the movie. Van? I think Martin won the battle will won the war. Like coming out of it, I think, I think, I think, Martin Lawrence, like Will, this is Will's off the wall. Will's thriller is Independence Day, right? The movie that set Will Smith on fire as a gigantic movie star is Independence Day. So to me, long term, you cannot argue that Will Smith did not win this movie, just because Will Smith became the biggest movie star of his generation.

But coming right out of it, I think the movie initially, right after it did us, because when Martin comes out, you know, there are more movies that, We overlooked thin line between love and hate. Films like that, they were big movies. I think he went on to kind of do that and jump there right after this, but Will ended up being a much, much, much, much, much bigger star. Here's the thing. Will wins the movie.

You could make a case for Michael Bay because this launches 25 years of Michael Bay. He completely reinvents this kind of modern action movie, what it looks like. It sets up all the things that happens to him. And in a lot of other scenarios, he's the winner. this movie, but it has to be Will Smith. Will Smith becomes the biggest movie star in the world within three years because of this movie.

Is this Simpson, this production, is this Simpson-Bruckheimer or just Bruchheimer? This was Simpson-Bruckheimer, but then Simpson died. So it's kind of like Simpson legacy, Bruch-heimer, but I think they were still together. I don't know if it was Bruchheimer by himself yet. You could almost make a case that Bruchheimer

ends up winning his two, because Bruchheimer on his own goes on to be. the biggest guy in the town for a long time. He's going back and forth for guys like Jill Silver for that. Well, T. Leone doesn't win the movie. Doesn't win. Logan, we can hear you on Mondays on the Ringer NBA show

with Roger Bell. Van, we can hear you on the wire. You're deep into season three. We're getting close to the balcony scene. Like we're inching. Inching closer and closer to it. And then higher learning with the first lady, Rachel Lindsay, who's just changing

TV right now. Yeah, Great, change the TV left and right. Thanks. This was fun. Bad boys. A lot of fun. Peace, guys. Thanks for listening to the rewatchables.

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