The Rewatchables - ‘Basic Instinct’ Live From SF With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Mallory Rubin, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

Have you ever rewatched a movie on cocaine, Nick? Live from San Francisco, Bill, Chris, Mal, and Van record the pod of the century after revisiting Paul Verhoeven's 1992 erotic thriller ‘Basic Instinct’ starring Michael Douglas, Sharon Stone, Jeanne Tripplehorn, and George Dzundza. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/REWATCHABLES Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right. Last time you heard this song, it was a cocaine threesome in a bathroom, followed by some dancing. And now we are here, you horny motherfuckers. Let me introduce the rewatchables cast. First of all, thank you, everybody, for coming out tonight. This theater is awesome. Thank you. I love that third deck up there.

It's great. First off, he's the curator of the White Girl Hall of Fame. He's currently hosting a record 17 different ringer podcasts. The next mayor of Los Angeles, Van Lathen. You know her as the mother of dragons. She's a woman who really likes hands and fingers. She's almost definitely going to violate a public obscenity law tonight. Mallory Rubin!

He's the five-time rewatchables MVP. He's the man who turned March into CR Month. He's the author of three books about medals, CR himself, Chris Ryan. And over on the side, for the first time ever joining us for a live show, our producer, the guy who's taken over this podcast after I'm found naked and dead like Johnny Boz, Craig Horibank.

Yeah. All right. Did you like that, CR? I do. I like the idea also that you're not killed by a beautiful blonde, but by a Lakers fan. Right. Thank you. Let's talk most San Francisco movies ever.

Yeah. Wow. CR. We talked about this earlier. I think the necessities are hills. Yeah. Water. Sure.

Shots of the bridge. And nice real estate. Anything else? What do you got? I just think that the sky, the light, the fog, there's like an atmospheric element that San Francisco movies tend to bring into play. I mean, you've got some real...

We were talking about how hard it is to move anything off of Mount Rushmore for these. Yeah, so we got... We were thinking, like, movies that actually use the city, and it's really cool doing this, you know, in San Francisco, obviously. Movies that make you feel like you're in San Francisco. My four are basic instinct, vertigo, bullet, because of the car chase.

and then 48 hours, my favorite movie ever. Van, what else would you put in there? Because I could offer you Mrs. Delfire. Yeah. I could offer you the Rock, Pacific Heights, the game, anything else? What about, like, Dirty Harry, right? Could offer you Dirty Harry. Dirty Harry was here.

Yeah, man. As a matter of fact, I just want to let you guys know. They're lying about your city. When I came out here, I expected to see Batman patrol in the streets. Like, it's fucking gorgeous. Yeah, honestly. San Francisco's back. We walked from our hotel

to the Giants game last night. San Francisco's in great shape. I don't, not listening to the buzz anymore. The Phillies lost. Mallory. Tough for Sierra. You guys are in October or not. Yeah.

What else do you have for San Francisco? Naturally, you're missing a little bit of a genre presence. No Ant Man. You know? You didn't have the MCU on your list? Planet of the Apes. No? Star Trek. one. Star Trek.

Yeah. That's good. What's your favorite? I have a similar Mount Rushmore to you, I think. I'd say it's probably Bullet, Zodiac, this movie,

Basic Instinct, and Mrs. Delfire, for me. Craig, you're the only one that grew up here. I grew up in the East Bay, but yes. Wow.

All right, so what's the most San Francisco movie ever? For me, growing up, Mrs. Doubtfire, for sure. Okay.

All right. Well, we have a more important Mount Rushmore, the erotic thriller, Mount Rushmore. Oh, yeah. Yeah, boy. Which the unassailable choices are body heat, fatal attraction, basic instinct, and unfaithful. Unfortunately, we have the mother of dragons here to weigh in.

Is that the right four? Is there anyone else you put in nine and a half weeks? What else? Well, we've done three of those four together. We sure have. We sure have. And now we're doing this one together for the second time. Yeah, that's right.

A rematch. So that's nice. Yeah, that's how three of the five of us got through the first month of COVID was learning how to podcast remotely talking about this movie, a very normal podcast experience. It was on Zoom three weeks after COVID started. I honestly don't even remember one aspect of what happened, but I don't remember anything for COVID.

I remember that Chris kept saying, I'll do that if I ever see you guys again in person. Right. Yeah. Right. He was using the pandemic as a shield to make all of these declarations about how he'd start wearing deep v-neck sweaters with no t-shirt. And doing cocaine in the bathroom stall at the nightclub. So, Van, this movie.

Show me the nightclub. You know, the night's young. This movie jumpstarts the erotic thriller Skinimax era. Yeah. Which I guess technically starts with night eyes in 1990 with Andrew Stevens. I know you own it on 4K Blu-ray.

Yeah, of course. Silk stockings on CBS, no nudity, but very important. I got more of this, yeah. Basic instinct, we have Shane and Tweed and Shane and Warrior about to come into our lives. All of them. What else do you remember from this era? I remember like staying up late,

sure that my parents were asleep. I was by myself, having a great time. Emmanuel, all the different Emmanuelals. I have a list later. I'm not by myself. But, you know, Red shoe diaries can fucking freak you. Red shoe. Yeah.

All of that stuff. Because what happened was this is prestige freak shit, basic instinct. That's not, I could get to that, right? That was in the movie theater. But then the freak shit that came on later on, you know, that was the stuff that was accessible. to me. That's what really made me a man.

Sierra and I have had very different experiences with this movie because I saw this movie in college by myself in Worcester, Massachusetts. During the day. Wait a second. Yeah. Don't let that slide. Yeah. I saw this movie in college by myself. Yeah. Yeah. I had some time after class.

Every story he tells from him in college, all was me, House and Joe King, we were all hanging out. But he made them motherfuck. fuckers leave. It was a solo. How many empty seats between you and the next guy who was also jerking off

throughout the entire movie? Extra butter. I don't remember a lot other than that there were no couples, and I'm going to say between 16 and 18 guys soloing in different spots

in the theater. There you go. And it just, the feedback or the stuff that was coming out about this movie, first of all, we knew like the

scenes were off the chain. We knew Sharon Stone was the lady from Total Recall and some Action Jackson movies we liked. And then there was supposedly this female frontal thing that you didn't know what it was. So it was a little like the shark in jaws waiting to

see what was going to happen. But if you didn't know you were going to get a shark in John, like it was just a rumor. And honestly, CR, this movie went way further than I was prepared. But you saw it younger than me because you're younger than me. Yeah, we

were like Dan Orlovsky breaking down tape with this once they took the video stores. There was a lot of missing copies of this and there was a lot of probably like, you know, manipulating the tracking on your VHS machine. So this is a Hall of Fame rental.

How did this help you through puberty? I was thinking about this. Sharon Stone, 86 through 92 is like her and Kathy Ireland are the bird and magic of my sexual who would you throw in, Vin?

I got a list. All right, so at the bottom of the list, all the ladies from the various Emmanuel movies, Emmanuel Queen of the Desert, Emmanuel in Space, Black Emmanuel, Emmanuel in Bangkok in Bangkok, had a manual for every fucking flavor that you needed.

All right, number four, Sharon Stone and Basic Instinct. Number three, Robin Givens in a rage in Harlem. Number two, Janet Jackson, the pleasure-pensurable video. Come on, man. Number one, Pam Greer, Foxy Brown. My mom, that's why I'm talking about.

My mom actually made me get into Pam Greer and Foxy Brown. My mother suggested I watch that. You know why? Because of basic instinct. Yeah. My mom thought that she was going to lose me to the white women. And she was like, so she thought she was raised in Cupid Dillian Jr. And she goes, because she knew those could be back to the black side of the situation.

Shout out to Mama. Mission accomplished. Well, we have a rewatchable's award named after a character of this movie that Catherine Chameau, would you throw your life away for this obvious stayaway award? CR, if someone said to you, I'm writing a book about a podcast

who falls in love with the wrong woman, and it was Sharon Stone in this movie, are you just like, I'm going to be dead in four weeks? I mean, it's less than four weeks. I think that this movie actually has multiple candidates for this, though. Watching it this time around, I would toss it all away for Beth.

I mean, that's... Yeah. What about Roxy? Beautiful lady, but also a free therapist. You know? Right. And Roxy. Yeah.

And Roxy, of course. It's easily Roxy, man. Yeah. So I was going to talk about this later because we got to get into Sharon Stone. But Roxy just comes and goes. She's in this movie and she's the cop stripper in Days in Thunder. Never seen again. You look at her IMDB.

It's like she just, I don't know what happened. But if you just saw this movie, you would have thought she was going to be as big of a star as Sharon Thun. Stone, or at least close. No? At least for me. If you saw this movie now, you definitely would think that's a person who's going to be responsible for generating a lot of memes.

Yeah. Which is powerful in its own way. But Sharon Stone, you watch this movie and you're like, this is the most powerful force of nature, like a hurricane in humid form. That's not exactly what Roxy is giving. She's giving... Roxy provoked different emotions. You know, I never went for the Sharon Stone types.

Do you mean the Catherine Tremel? Or just Sharon Stone? No, what I mean is that like, you go to the club with your boys. I'm gonna buckle up. And everyone goes, yo, we gotta have this girl. I would always look at her friend. I'd be like, her friend is the one that's not getting any attention. She's looking at her friend on the dance floor.

She's pissed off. She's like, look at all that motherfuckers looking at her. I wish I was her. And then I come over and I validate her. I go, girl, you are her. That's Roxy. Somebody just needed to validate her. Yeah.

A quote in this movie about the Sharon Stone character, Mallory. I love it. She's got $100 million. She fucks fighters and rock and roll stars, and she's got a degree in screwing with people's heads. And that's not the craziest thing said about her during this movie. No, or the craziest thing that she says. I mean, the quotes in this movie are astonishing.

One of the wonderful colleagues, Elizabeth, live events head, rock star, our own rock star, she hasn't seen this movie. We were backstage with her, and I was thinking, wouldn't it be fun if we did like a, is this a real quote from this movie, game with her, right? Because, like, you could break out,

have you ever fucked on cocaine, Nick? It's nice. And then you could break out, there's come all over these sheets. Right? And you would get, like, 45 lines. No, that's not how he says it. All over.

There's no way. Before he got off. Impressive. That would have been a fun game show. We could have gone 150 lines. deep before we even had to put the first fake quote in there. It's amazing. Elizabeth does the live shows for us,

and she always watches the movie on the flight to the location. And we were like, no! No! You need a privacy screen. Please, no. Who is, like, what actress now, Vain, would be the Sharon Stone that you would cast in this movie?

Interesting question. Because this does feel generational, right? Like, we... It does. You go through... Because there was a Kathleen Turner face where she would have been in it? So this movie came out a different time, okay? We have penises now. This movie came out when we had dicks. Yeah.

Completely different. We didn't have to pretend like it was something nice about what was happening. It was aggressive. It was primal. Now I'm trying to think who could bring that energy? Who could do that and not give a fuck, you know, not care? Maybe like Margaret Kwali, maybe she's a little bit like that.

You know, I don't know. It's different now because, you know, If you make the movie now, everyone's going to be so self-aware of everything that's happening. This movie kind of like care through its plot with reckless abandon, and it doesn't really care what anyone thinks about it. It would be difficult to, like, cast somebody in that role and have them just be completely free. I know we, like, always end up picking the same person,

but is it not, Sidney? Is it not? I mean, obviously, she could pull it off. I think, so... Wow. Here's different. You got pulled Sidney Sweeney. Here's the difference though with Sharon Stone

and why this movie was so important. She had popped in stuff, but we didn't really have a history with her. She was true, too. She had been in a bunch of stuff. She was in Action Jackson. Yeah, and I remember, like, she was in a reconcilable differences,

which is a great divorce movie, which is not available anywhere. But she was in that in, like, 1982, and for 10 years was just bouncing around. What was the Allen Quartermian one? She was in a Seagall movie. Yeah, she was in a Seagall movie, and just total recall was probably the,

the biggest movie that she was in, right? She's great in that. So this was kind of her moment. I don't know who that actress is now. The point is that, like, at this juncture in her career, she was hungry enough to do a movie like this and not hold anything bad. So if we talk about actresses that are in that situation, now we're going to talk about more established actresses,

but, like, it's just like a controversial role. You have to really go a lot of places that, you know, could end up really being combustible for your career like it was for Elizabeth Berkeley and she. showgirls, or it could make you like it did for Sharon Stone and basic... So they get Michael Douglas for $14 million for this movie, and then he gets kind of semi-approval for who the female star is going to be. Sharon Stone was the 13th choice.

She made $500,000, which was less than $14 million. In part, though, because of what you're just saying, right? Like, he really wanted somebody who was equally famous and renowned to kind of... They were anticipating that it would be controversial, right? He wanted Kim Basinger, right? Yeah, and he was like, I need somebody who's going to... going to be able to shoulder the load of the blowback. And I do remember, like, you can see it now when you...

Plenty of blowback in the movie. When you go on and read about, like, it's released now, she's such a wild card, because she's kind of like, I have nothing to lose, so she's saying crazy shit in interviews. Yeah. Her vibe is not like, I'm a well-established star. I know exactly what I'm doing. She's kind of like, I'm blowing this pot stand before I get out of here.

Well, they offered it to, Michelle Pfeiffer, who said no, and thank God, because I think that might have actually killed me. She was in this movie. I'd be dead. I don't know who's hosting this. It wouldn't be me. It would be somebody else. C.R.

Sharon Stone not nominated for an Oscar for this movie. Yeah, I'm sorry, Bill. I'll give you the nominees. Please do. Okay. Emma Thompson wins for Howard's End. Catherine Deneuve for Indochine. Is that I say it?

Imogene? Sure. Mary MacDonald for Passion Fish Michelle Pfeiffer for Lovefield and Susan Sarandon for Lorenzo's Oil I think we could have snuck Sharon in there guys I don't know Like who else could have done that This movie made $356 million

This is a useful place to ask this Do you take this movie seriously? I don't Yeah I think it's a great time My wife hates it because I love throwing out You said this a million times. It's a vibes movie.

It is a vibes movie, for sure. I like being in San Francisco. I like watching them smoke. I like the nightclub scene. Yeah. Michael Douglas, who we're going to get to it a second, it's in the running for funniest performance of the 90s. It's amazing.

It's historic. He doesn't know it's funny, but everyone else knows it's hilarious. And it's just a fun movie to hang out with. This run of Paul Verhoeven movies works because even Paul Verhoeven is like, we need to make this funny movie incredibly seriously. Starship Troopers is kind of the same thing.

I think they all know they're in this insane movie about those. I don't think Douglas does. What's that? I don't think Michael Douglas knows that this is funny. I think Michael Douglas knows. I think he's like, for me this to work, I have to 100% commit. But if you read that script, you're like, this is bullshit and it's hilarious.

He's 47 when he makes the movie. Wow, I still got time. Wow. Yeah. Boy. Probably should have been a younger actor. Would be my take? Come on, man.

What are you talking about? You say no on that? Well, first of all, I support an age difference, as you know, among consenting adults. But I think there's something about Nick being in, like, a midlife crisis that's actually pretty important. He's had a marriage. His wife killed herself.

He has committed four shootings in front. He was undercover. He has to have the runway to have lived that much life. You know? You can't have like a 25-year-old whippersnapper on the force. You need somebody with some rednear ledger in this way. Here's the thing. He is one of the biggest movie stars

who throughout his career routinely takes a chance with the way the audience sees him. And is like, I don't mind playing the hero who's a piece of shit. Yeah. And he's like, he's the main star of Wall Street. You know, he does these things where he's like, I'll push my boat out. and make sure we people have a really provocative experience.

When you say like how the audience sees him, do you mean specifically him walking toward a bathe and mirror with his scrotum swinging under his ass? Yeah, okay. And like consider the time, right? So you're in a Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, which we're going to talk a little bit about that later, time where all of those guys are kind of competing

to be the All-American movie star. And really his lane is being the freak. He's a fucking freak. A yuppie. He's a freaking disclosure. He's a freaking nis. He's a fucking freak in fatal attraction. His motherfucker's a freak.

And no one else really wants to do it. He'll do it. He's great at it. And he kind of makes his career, at least the second half of it on that. He's been in a lot of rewatchable's movies. He's not anyone's favorite actor, but he's been in a ton of everybody's favorite movies.

It would be weird to be a Michael Douglas super fan. Yeah. This is my guy. Me and Mike. But, I mean, My type, Mikey Doug Pan.com. From 84 on, he rips off. Remains in the Stone, Jewel the Nile, Chorus Line, Fatal Attraction, Wall Street,

Winsie Oscar. Black Rain, War of the Roses, Basic Instinct, Falling Down, Disclosure, American President, Ghost in Darkness, The Game, Perfect Murder, Wonder Boys, Traffic. You're fucking crazy. That is amazing work. And very much. American President is the weird movie in that group. Yeah.

Right. I keep waiting for the American president to be, like, jerking off under the resolute desk. But he's like, no, I'm just a really good guy. It's on the extended Blu-ray. Yeah, director's cut. Craig, you're younger than us. What's your relationship with Michael Douglas, just wandering into this after the fact? I don't even think I have one.

I don't know what the go-to Michael Douglas role. I asked my wife, Liz, I'm like, what's your opinion on Michael Douglas? Like, did you ever think he was hot? And she's like, honestly, no, you just kind of a creep. Like, was Michael Douglas ever, like, a top three? love interest in Hollywood? Man, let me tell you something. For my mom.

Yeah. My mom used to look at failed attraction and be like, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. I see what she was going on about. Look at that. Harrison Ford, Darkside Harrison Ford. No way. No, because Harrison Ford is God dear.

You can't say anyone is any version of Harrison. I ask the wrong person. Get the fuck out of here. What are you thinking? What's wrong with you? But Harrison Ford, Costner, Douglas, gear, those were the men who my mom was like, obsessed with and loved.

And Michael Douglas was the one who didn't quite catch for me in terms of being sexually obsessed with him. Though I will tell you guys that when I booted up this movie to rewatch it to prepare for this live show, you know, there's a pretty famous moment in this movie that I think a lot of people pause on, right? You might, well, it'll come up tonight, I think. I had paused at a different moment.

I booted up the director's cut and it was at one hour, 11 minutes and 43 seconds, which is the sidecock shot during the fuck of the century scene. So I guess that was where I had just checked in, booted it up at some point, taken a look, paused it, left, and there it was waiting for me.

Do you think that was in between the two rewatchables? I was watching it with my husband, and he was like, that seems right. Probably, yeah. I mean, it was six years ago, the last rewatchables. I've definitely looked at that since. No question. I thought we were going to do sidecocks later.

We can go back to them. Don't worry. One thing about Douglas, because he was also a producer. Really good timing on when to jump in on a movie that's kind of paralleling whatever's happening in real life. Even you go back to China Syndrome, which he's in, which was like right when everyone's afraid of nuclear war in late 70s, Wall Street is the greed is good. Basic instinct, big fear of AIDS, early 90s.

In the research, one of the... In the research, one of the things he really wanted to do with this movie was push the emblems sexually the other way in movies. And then Disclosure was another one with Workplace. Sure. But he just over and over again had really good taste, I would say. That's one way of putting it. Yeah. A-framing.

Mallory saw, what was the documentary you saw with the storyboarding? Oh, yeah. There's a bonus featurette called I believe Blonde Poison. Yeah, blonde poison, the making of basic instinct, which is about 30-ish minutes. A good chunk of it at the end is about actually the protests of the film by LGBT groups. And I would say the first like 15 to 18 minutes before that are largely Paul Verhoeven. The director. The director talking about how he just insisted very clearly that everybody understood that they had to be naked in the movie

and that they had to follow the exact game plan for the sex scenes because he had diagrammed them very precisely and then intercut with his commentary. I'm going to hold up one for you guys. Yeah. Paul Verhoeven's work right there. Pretty special. Pretty special. So he storyboarded the entire thing.

They spent five days filming fuck of the century. Five. Yeah. Because he was so concerned that they were going to make him cut stuff and make it an X rating or whatever. he wanted to be covered in every way, shape, or form. And they filmed for five days, ten hours a day. A 90-second sex scene? If you're watching the director's cut, it's a little longer.

Yeah. And also, Michael Douglas and Sharon Stone apparently were not super close during the making of this, which makes it all the more interesting. Close in what way? Well, I mean, I think that there wasn't a lot of coffee corner, just chit-chat about, like, really... He didn't want her to be in a movie.

Was that? Yeah. Yeah. Like, they had gone through a bunch of people, when he was concerned because he's making this movie where he's got to play a killer coke-addicted cop. And he wanted an A-List actress to share that burden with him and get it over the finish line.

And all of them looked at the script. It was like, you fucking crazy. I'm not doing this. And so then, like, they got Sharon Stone, but he was a little bit trepidious about it. Man, I hesitate to ask you this. If you were filming with Sharon Stone for five straight days for 10 hours a day,

just with small genital pads, on. How would that go by like Wednesday? What you mean? Well, see, I always wanted this. Because like... First of all, you have to respond and say the genital pad wouldn't be small. He set you up there.

You have to come in and say that. But they were also not wearing genital pads. They are famously completely naked filming these. Oh, so they're naked filming this? I thought they did have... No. Also, to Mal's point... Watch this feature at.

Here's a quote. From the director of this movie, I wanted to really see oral sex. I wanted to see how he sucks her tits. I wanted to see all that. Thank you, everybody. I don't know how they do it. I guess that's why they act for a living.

By the way, none of us have seen this behind the scenes, and I'm not entirely sure she's not, like, making this up. Because I looked for it online, and I was like, huh, blah, blah, poison, I can't find this. I'll send it to you. Yeah, please do. Just like I sent you those storyboard pictures, yeah. The weird thing is also there's, like, stories that the actors sold, that Verhoeven was like,

he would be like, okay, here's what we're going to do, here's the blocking, and then they would show up day off, and he would be like, psychure all my news storyboards, and he would be, like, calling hot routes on Gene Triplehorn. I don't know. I tend to believe her, but yeah. Verhoven, Robocop Total Recall, Base Against Big, Starship Troopers. Just four of the many. Just a pervy Dutch guy.

I think it would be the best way to describe them. Love push an envelope. Love to put stuff in there kind of making fun of Americans, and we didn't realize it as we loved the movies, didn't realize he was flipping it on us. What's his Apex Mountain for movies,

CR? I think in retrospect it's Starship Troopers. Yeah, I think so. In some ways. Really? I think that has like a better reputation than basic instinct. Interesting. What do you think, Ben? I think it's easily basic instinct. I think it's not even close. I think Starship Troopers has he has his ability to elevate, I guess, where people would consider to be like trash

or really accessible kind of stories. But basic instinct was a cultural phenomenon. It was a movie that like legitimately, my mom and them went to see it and they came back. And I was like, girl, was it just stabbing with that ice pick? What's going on? Like, it was a movie that you absolutely had to talk about. And really, as much as fatal attraction

got this genre started in a management way, Yeah. This kind of solidified the genre as a moneymaker and as something that could be star making for Sharon Stone. Like, you would approach these movies differently after basic instinct because you know that doing one and taking the risk and taking the chances in putting yourself out there on film like that could end up in making you a star,

which is what this movie did for Sharon Stone. So she did all of this stuff and then it paid off. So I think this is probably his magnum opus, in my opinion. I also think it's fair to say that there weren't really characters like this until this movie. Like, these kind of powerful female in control of the relationship. Look at Susan B. Anthony over here.

This became something that a lot of movies tried to do, but I don't know who tried to do it before this movie. I can't really think of one. Can you see her? A femme fatale like this? No, not, I mean, like, not this explicitly and this violently. Because, like, Body Heat did it, right? That was 10 years earlier.

And there's some other ones over the years. But I think this jump started. Then what was interesting about this movie is all the rip-off terrible movies that tried to, you know, like the jaded color night. Participated in, yeah. Yeah, sliver. I've seen them all. I know Vann has them all in Blu-ray. This movie had people protesting various parts of it.

Like, they couldn't even decide what to protest. Sharon Stone hosted SNL in April 92. and six people disrupted that and actually disrupted the monologue and they had to like change it. But people are pretty pissed off for a variety of reasons about this movie. Joe Esther House was the writer.

$3 million got for the script. There was a bidding word from Carol Coat production. So if anyone has ever listened to The Rwatchables, probably our favorite production company. More or less, yeah. Done a lot of Stallone, Seagall, Arnold Schwarzenger classics, based against thinking.

Funding from Crings nodding happily over there. A lot of cocaine, yeah. A lot of cocaine. Esther Haas is basically in a competition with Shane Black, who we just talked about on nice guys. These two are like basically trading back and forth

the all-time richest screenplay deal for like five years. Right. And then Esther House gets mad because Verhoeven's putting all this extra stuff in the movie ends up walking off the set. 49 million dollar budget

made $353 million in the fourth highest grossing movie of 1992. That would be $800 million. today. This would be Project Hail Mary today. Amaze.

Amaze. For an aggressive, R-rated, erotic theme. So, this is an interesting topic. Could this happen anymore? Do people want to be in a movie theater watching people fuck like this? No, because of Craig's generation.

No. No. No. We were doing, I can't remember what movie we were doing. And this was the time, you know, after Craig said that he, he was, somebody in the heart that changed my opinion of him forever.

But we were watching a movie and Craig said, there were just titties in the movie for no reason. And I was thinking to myself, how much fucking distance is it between me and Craig? Whenever tities show up, I am happy to meet him.

Well, and now 200 movies later, I'm like bummed when there's no nudity in a movie. Come on. Yeah, we've been zodiac. Come on. Film score got an Oscar nomination, Jerry Goldsmith. Jan DeBott, working the cameras. Yon DeBott?

Yeah, little Jan, a couple years for speed. Craig, 112 minutes, plus 22 on the Horlebecks. Craig thinks every movie should be 90 minutes. 22 over par. Yeah. But you can kind of skip right to the sex scenes now. It doesn't really matter how long it is. Everything's clippified now, you know?

Yeah, that second half of the movie probably could be tightened, I would say. Also, the last 25 minutes of this movie, you're like, what the fuck is that? It turns into a who done it. By the way, the movie would have been longer if Shooter could last. Shooter has a premature ejaculation problem. Oh, yeah.

Here comes nine-minute van, weighing in. Nine-minute van. At minimum. Do we know he had a premature? Was it just edited that way? Thank God we have Mallory here to answer the question. I'd have been like, hey, yo, on God? Like, for real, for real, for real?

Like, give me at least two extra minutes so people know how I move out here in this motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? I can't have people thinking that the credits going to roll I'm going to be popping before, you know what I'm saying? The Beth scene, unfortunate in many respects, including this one, very quick. But the Catherine scenes, I don't know.

I think, like, we see her orgasm so many different times, including from the single most memorable part of the movie, which is him going down on her, maintaining eye contact the entire time and going cross-eyed. Like, he's trying to, like, identify a unicorn and a magic eye painting. I'm just like...

When I see... When we do these, I never, ever, ever want to have sex again. Like, every time we do a... Like, a Muppet version of someone going down at something, it just kills me. But then he's on top, the backstretched, that she's on top, Right, so we're going through some pretty protracted sequences there.

Like, he went down on her like, girl, you think I wouldn't go and do this, did you? I know. He was really impressed with himself. Yeah, he loves. Yeah, and then he watched his own blowjob in the mirror. Where are you guys on bedroom ceiling mirrors? What part of the podcast is this? What do you think?

I always like see myself and like, yo, nigga, you need to work out. Like, we had gone to the islands and my titty's laid to the side. It was one of, during the MTV Cribs era, it was one of those when somebody had the bedroom area. You really knew. Some freak shit was going down. It was always a red flag.

Or they wanted you to think that. Yeah, it was one or the other. It was definitely a statement. Speaking of statements, Roger Ebert. Yeah. Two stars. One of mess. Y'all can't boot Raj, man.

He said the film is like a crossword puzzle. It keeps your interest until you solve it. And then it's just a worthless scrap with the spaces filled in. God, damn. I don't want to give him a fuck you, Raj, but I'm going to give him like a borderline fuck you rush. Just a whiff.

I don't like that. Give it a two and a half. Come on. I'm surprised he didn't give it a two and a half. Like, two is like, this is a very well-made movie, even if you think it's absolute. I think he was just really upset by the ending mainly. I think he kind of liked it,

but he was upset about the ice pick at the end. He just knocked the star up at the end. The reason why the review surprises me is because the movie takes itself very seriously and it's well-made, well-acted, and well-crafted. There's some really insanely well-crafted scenes here. It's not throwing anything away, so you would think that he would respect the craftsmanship

a little bit more than what he did. It's a pretty, like, critically derided film. It is. I mean, a lot of the reviews are back, It's adored by the public, right? But it's not like everybody. It's not like Raj was on an island. No, it's tough.

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there's cum stands all over the sheets. So, let's talk about it now. I would love to. Yeah. Johnny Baas just that night, no maid. No, there is a maid. This is part of what... She's a rather rotund maid.

They even pointed out. Yeah, she's 54 and 240, and so they say she couldn't be the murderer, which is pretty fucked up, honestly. Not the only fucked up thing in the movie, but... Because they blew like this, and it looks like a... It looks, is everyone tracking Artemis right now, the NASA photos?

Boz's sheets under the black light look like the face of the moon that NASA is currently showing us. Splattered craters everywhere. So he either is Mount Vesuvius. Right. One night only, or... He's never washing his sheets. His bedroom is a no-go zone for the meet. And those sheets have not been changed in weeks.

Yes. I think it's that. Yeah. Do you have a theory? I bet you do. On the sheets with the no-made or just... Is it one night? Was a gentleman by the name of Peter North,

who throughout the course of his career was able to set records. And if you guys don't know who he is, you'll be amazed. And so when I think of this movie, I think about talent, not necessarily about, like, function. So it wasn't the fact that he was doing it a lot.

It was like when he was doing it. talking about a fucking fire hose. So my question is, if you're getting stabbed to death with the ice pick as you're coming, is that like a triple cum shot? Sorry to be crude, but that's...

If the maid's not coming, that has to be the only other explanation. I just don't think the human body contains that much ejaculate at one period of time, whether or not your... Wait, though. Have Sharon Stone thrusting on top of you

and you're going to be stabbed 31 times with a nice pick. Not to get too graphic here, But, like, is it... I think it's fine. Go ahead. Isn't Johnny Baaz inside Catherine Tremel? Why is there's semen everywhere?

I think the idea also is they have done it multiple times that night. Oh. That this is, like, it's Johnny Boss's fuck of the century. That's right. Cocaine on the penis, so... Yes. Anyone second-guessing their decision to come tonight, or...

I'm on a great time. I think you guys knew what you were coming for. The woman in the opening scene, by the way, was Sharon Stone. It didn't seem like it. Because they have her hair cover, but it is her and Verhoeven. Almost seems like she's in a wig.

They put her in a blonde wig, I think, to make you think it could be... Somebody else, yeah. There's some pretty clear indicators. C.R., would you want to go this way? Like, you could pick 10 different ways to die with the Johnny Baz being the top three? I would be so thrilled

to find out what the other ones would be. Yeah. Yeah, okay. This is like the Tyrion Lannister, you know, how he's always saying. He wants to go with a belly full of wine and some lips around his cock. Like, it's the Johnny Boss.

Another quote from this scene, he got off before he got off. Yeah. That's where you know you're in the right hands. Next scene, the first visit to Sharon Stone's house. Incredible. Catherine Trammell. We get a great, great Bay Area Drive. Amazing house.

Gorgeous. Fantastic. I'm going to give this the Den of Thieves Benihano Award scene stealing location, CR, unless you want to jump me. This is the nightclub. Really nice. Good deck. Good deck. Great deck. Great deck. Great dick. Insane deck. Great landscaping.

Gertie dick. Catherine comes in. Catherine Tramel comes in throwing 120 miles an hour right away. I wasn't dating him. I was fucking him. Man. What are you a pro? I'm an amateur. I wasn't in the mood last night. Are you sorry he's dead? Yeah, I like fucking him.

Incredible. She's just throwing him off. left them right. Bill's talking this way. Doesn't seem that upset, Ma'am. Well, she's, that's part of the appeal

of Catherine as a character is she is so utterly in command and assured and there's something disarming and terrifying about it, but also something so appealing. So like the whole movie, the thriller,

the erotic thriller aspect is a cat and mouse chase where like the mouse wants to be caught so that he can fuck Catherine. Right? And you have to understand that immediately, which you do. Then we have another rewatchable scene.

The second house visit to the car ride, which includes her changing. That's how we know she's not wearing underwear. They're in the car. I don't smoke. Yes, you do. I quit. Congratulations. All of a sudden, she has cigarettes.

What's your new book about? A detective. He falls for the wrong women. What happens? He kills her. Douglas is like, I'm fucking in. I am all the way in. Good shot of, what part of San Francisco are we in there?

Well, they were driving up to Stinson, but the house in real life was in Carmel, but they're driving up to Stinson Beach. Which shouts out, Scott and Italia got married in Stinson Beach. They're here somewhere. There they are. Next scene is the police room scene. Yeah.

One of the most famous scenes of the 90s, and we also have Newman from Seinfeld, the Nettie Harris from Major League in there. I sure do. The fact away, which I don't know if it's, Drew that Spielberg hired him off of this is unreal. That was Stephen Spielberg's

takeaway from the scene. For Jurassic Park, I got that guy. What are you going to do? A recipe for smoking? Good line. Johnny liked to use his hands too much. I like hands and fingers. Another quote.

Have you ever fucked on cocaine, Nick? It's nice. Iconic. It's not how she says it. It's funny if she did. She was like, It's nice. She just turns into Borat for a second.

Yeah, it's exactly. Borat, it's a good. My wife. It's nice. He's dead. And then we get the leg cross, which became... Highly controversial.

The most famous moment of the 90s in a movie? I'm trying to think what's bigger. Migs? from Silence of Landis? Is that late 80s? Biggest holy shit moment? I was like, I remember my dad,

rest in peace, dad. Dad was like, boy, go back a couple of seconds, not? I honestly think, and when I watched it, I caught out,

I've never looked. This is one of the, this is one of the most well-written scenes of the 90s. So, when you think about the movie, right? The movie is about basic.

The movie, you guys think I'm about to be freaky. I'm about to be like, okay? Can't let me cook for a second? The movie, basic instinct, it's about primal urges, right? Things that you cannot control. Yeah. But the movie only works if you understand how dangerous the Catherine is. Yes.

And how much he can't resist her. So that scene is in conflict because that scene has to establish how dangerous she is, but it also can't betray the fact that we see how dangerous she is. All of these police officers see how dangerous she is, and he still has to be primarily drawn to her. So she has to go there and be smarter than everybody in the room. By the way, so does the audience. Exactly, right?

Yeah. You know that she's gaming them, why would he still want her? Then she lets that thing out. Yeah. And let me tell you something right now, to all the ladies in the audience, if you want to end the argument or the speculation, let that thing out. If you let that thing out, you win, all right? Stop playing the game.

I want to play MLB. Let that thing out. He off the game. Okay? And so when that happens, that re-injects this primal urge into the scene, and it completely wipes his mind and our mind and everybody else. He got to go get that thing. Yeah.

And Newman violated some HR laws, I think. Newman's like... Well, I was going to hit this in unanswerable questions, but he's not in the movie after that. It's like, did seeing Karen's vagina kill him? He had a fucking heart attack. Did the SECTA drop fucking dead in the bathroom stall, cranking one out, 10 minutes after that? Everyone else is looking at the lie detector and is like, you can beat the machine.

No, you can't beat the machine. And Newman is dropping dead after having seen Catherine flashing. So he's not in the director's cut. No. He makes an early impression and that's it. I think Van's point is really important because, like, there are five dudes in that interrogation for no reason other than that every. like they're all wrapped, right? And so the fact that the trick of that,

in addition to the very obvious one, is that she is like in command and there in her power, even though she is so clearly should be the one who's like, what is happening here? Even the way that scene is lit, the way it's staged, like that doesn't look like an interrogation room at all, right? It looks like she's like on display at a gallery.

So there was controversy about that scene. Yes. That we should mention. She said it was filmed without her knowledge, and it turned into a huge. He said, she said that. I forget what year that this started. In her memoir, Sharon Stone says that they asked her to take her underwear off

because it was affecting the lighting. Which, I mean. Yeah. And then she saw a cut, and her and her lawyer, Marty Singer, were going to basically stop the movie from coming out. They were going to, and then she just, but then she was like, you know what? Like, I signed up from it, that is me. And she decided to do it, but not without reservations.

And then it wasn't in the script. either. And Berhoven, Purvey Dutch guy, remembered something similar happening when he was in college and decided to weave it in. Anyway. Cool college story. Record scratch.

Quick one. I was in college and she took that thing out. And I stopped playing MLC. I stopped playing FIFA. And that is the end of the argument. The thing out. Try it, ladies.

Bands down with the Dutch. The car chase is really good Just wanted to mention that Really good She kind of dust them in the car chase Yeah Come on, shooter She was in a Porsche or something like that

A lotus A lotus Nick stops by Catherine's place And she uses the ice pick And does the How much Coke you do, Nick You're gonna make a terrific character She's making out with rocks in front room

That seems good Yeah The Catherine And all the papers are there So he starts to realize in that sequence Like how much she knows about him How she's studying him Yeah.

And then she stops by Nick's place. She does the ice pick thing for him. Shooter. Now he's smoking Sigs. You know the wheels are coming off. He's drinking. He's ordering doubles at the bar. He's smoking.

And now we're going to my favorite scene. Nick goes to the night club. We get the song we played earlier, Blue by, what was that band, La Tau? Latour. Latour. Yeah. Nick's the oldest guy in the club by, I'm going to say, 16 years.

And he's wearing a V-neck shirt that his aunt gave him for Christmas in 1985. It's crazy. He's, I'll wear this. I haven't worn this yet. And goes into the bathroom, which is, has anyone ever been in a bathroom like this? There's 50 people in the bathroom. They're all doing cocaine. They're playing, like, cards.

I don't know, what bathroom is this? Most of the characters on industry. We were talking about this last night. This is like a regular third episode of a season of industry. Yeah. I don't know. Bann is fucking quiet right now. I'll just tell you. So, Ben, you...

What happened? Okay. Roxy is throwing, I think, 130 miles an hour in this scene. The catcher's mitt actually breaks. She breaks the mitt. And Douglas is... Again, I'll put this against Jim Carrey and Dumb and Dumber. I'll put this against Mike Byers,

and so I married an ex-burger. Name a funny movie. Nothing's funnier than Douglas in this scene trying to be sexy. I'm not too old to be here. Dance guy. It's really special. The only thing that could have been funnier is if he danced.

But he makes the choice to be like, what would this guy do with this club seeing all this shit? This is like every primal instinct coming out. And he's just like, I would just stand there. So you're watching and you're like, this has to be the unintentionally funniest thing that's going to happen with Michael Douglas in this movie. think again

because we go to the sex scene where he also gets up after and wins the William Peterson honestly dude I'm not sure we needed to see your balls award does it twice does the walk talks to Roxy

does the let me ask you something Roxy man to man then does the pivot and does another walk he's like did you see my balls threw in Buckcrack? Yeah I did here they are again yeah

And the side dick before that. So this is what happens when you've made 10 straight years of $100 billion movies. You just start walking around in the bathroom. This is just the tour de force. Anything to add now before we move on? I think this is a very important scene.

We've talked about the side dick, the oral sex face, watching the blowjob in the mirror. I think the fact that in terms of just actually the clues, not that you're really thinking about the clues, but it is like beat for beat parallel to what we saw in the boss scene. Right. So you're very titillated by what you're seeing,

but you're like, is he going to get stabbed by an ice pick, right? And like even the folds of the bedding. Yeah, the headboard has like the slats so that she can tie him up, breaks out the air maze or Hermes as it is called in this film, astonishing stuff, scarf out and ties them up. It's just start to finish pretty incredible. The tearing of the backflats,

I think that these are some of the most guttural orgasm sounds ever committed to the public record on film. And, you know, when I was younger watching this for the first time, I was like, it reminds me of how I think people today read, like, fourth wing or a court of thorns and roses, and they're like, I'm taking notes, okay, this is how you could do something to, like, lead to a 27-page chapter about going down on your girlfriend on a throne. Got it.

Okay. Like, people were watching this, studying it, trying to learn, not you? Like the girlfriend is also like a dragon fairy, right? Yeah, well, there are fairies in Court of Thorns and Rootson. And I can tell you've read them, dragon riders in fourth wing. And then you watch this now as like a middle-aged person. And like the angling of the back, I'm like, is she about to like turn into the guinea? Like I just worry about everybody's pain.

I see them looking into the mirror up top. I'm like, if I had that now, I would just say like, are my hips properly? aligned so that I'm not going to wake up with lower back pain. It's a very different relationship as you age. It's an amazing athletic performance. It is. It is. It is.

Yeah, I don't know what his dick looks like the next day, but it's not going straight. There's definitely a couple turns. For sure. I have two more scenes. Nick goes see Catherine the next day. And she kind of deflates the balloon a little bit. Yeah. Roxy didn't know what she was in for.

Oh, she's seen me fuck other guys. Just like sticking it to him. I told her I thought it was the fuck of the century. I thought it was a good beginning. Say, Nick came in that bitch like he was the man. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was the fucking situation.

Is he still wearing the sweater or did he change? I can't remember if he wears the sweater. He has a bomber. He has the bomber. All of a sudden, he's become Danny Zuko. Like, he went from being like a regular cop. Tonight he's the coolest motherfucker in the world.

She's like, yo, dog, pump the bricks. I used to fuck a boxer. Like, you know what I mean? It was like, get the fuck out of here. And then just the ending with the twist where you think she's going to kill him.

I think those are all the rewatchable scenes. What do you got, CR? What's your most rewatchable? Nightclub 100 out of 100. I mean, the sex scene's cool, but like the nightclub has so much going on. I love that the drug dealer gets to dance with them that he's like, yeah.

You know, like, here's some coke. Can I join him? Hey, that black guy is in every 90s movie. For some reason, they got a nigger with a flat top and a vest, no shirt, who knows all the choreography to everything. That guy comes back. Glenn Plummer plays that guy and showgirls. He comes black and he's dancing with a random white girl.

I'm telling you, that guy, I never saw him in Baton Rouge. So we all have the nightclub scene, or where do you have now? I think it's fuck of the century. I've across the course of my life diagram that like I'm scoring a baseball game. Yeah. Like, it's got to be that. So we're not going to bring up. Is you an interrogation scene?

Wow. The interrogation. My is interrogation scene. But like also, but like the triple horn scene, right, which is obviously a very, I mean, come man. It's a controversial scene. It's problematic. Yeah.

It's a, it's a, it's a very problematic scene. but like he runs, that's the first time we really see them together. Yeah. And it's like very, it shows that legitimately the moment that he meets Catherine, his character changes immediately. Right. He becomes like, once again, more primal, like more driven by whatever this thing is in his body that he can't control.

What's the most 1992 thing about this movie? What do you have? Bess got Bart Simpson under keychain. Yeah. Yeah. Mistaken for a gun. You have one been? Yeah. So in this movie, only the attractive people have sex.

So there are a bunch of people in the movie, but only the people that look good having sex. If they made this movie right now, there'd be a random scene of Haas hitting something from the back. But in this movie, like, the desire of people, desire people, they have sex, and everybody else is a bunch of fucking pastrami-e-eating cops that get to go, oh, you fuck that last night, shooter? We like, like, but in this now, we have democratized sexing.

So, Haas would have got to get down with the Haas and Roxy would have had their little situation if it was happening today. This is an amazing point, because to the guys on the force, Nick is Austin Butler, like, they're so fucking gross.

They're like, they're even happy when they're like, Nick is breaking every law, but God damn, man. I have a couple of 1992 things. Quitting cocaine for three months? Yeah, yes. Those green police computer screens really bring me back to the 90s.

When you're just trying to read, honestly, you'd go blind if you looked at those things for too long. But some of the prompts they're writing it are kind of chat GPT, where they're like, yeah. What about 1967? And it's like, oh, okay.

Calling a condom a rubber? Sure. It felt very 90s to me. I don't think, do we say rubber in the same way anymore? Okay? That's a question for you. I was 12. And then Sharon Stone hosted the April 1992 Saturday in Live to promote this movie with musical guest, Pearl Jam.

Their first, first S&O performance. Look at that. And they look like they're like 22 years old. So there you go. What's Age the Best? All the San Francisco location stuff. By the way, I was warned by multiple people not to say San Fran. Apparently, it's an annoying habit.

Pete, the San Francisco people don't like. So do you have a nickname for San Francisco or no? Frisco. S.F? What do you say, Craig? SF, probably. So when someone says San Fran, you're just like, fuck this person. So I fucking said it.

And by the way, fuck you guys. I said it and Logan's right there I was trying to like shout out everybody give it up for Logan Murdo but like I said it when I was trying to fucking compliment

y'all city nobody told me that shit I didn't get the email so Friscoe the city all of that shit shout out to y'all I like SF we mentioned this earlier for what stage is best one of the great cigarette smoking movies ever made Sierra who would you give if we could only

hand out one Sean Penn I brought my own pack of for excellence to not screen smoking. Would you go Stone or Douglas? Douglas, because you can see that the cigarette is the highway to hell for him. Oh, interesting. I feel like it's the cigarette that unlocks everything.

I have more what saves the best, but what do you got now? Well, I just, I'm shocked you didn't say the first shot of Catherine on the deck that we spent so much time talking about. It's a good flick. It's a good smoke. It draws your attention to the jagged rocks, the danger of the person and the setting, all of it. Let's see. The score you already mentioned is quite good.

good. The dong, the nudity, the explicit sex. Sharon Stone, we've talked about all of it, I think. I think the way props are used, like objects, you mentioned the key ring, obviously the ice picks, the hand ties, the ceiling mirrors, the matching Picasso's. There are these, like, little aspects

of every setting that really becomes central drivers of the plot in a nice way. I got one. Yeah. Men fucking with women who will eventually destroy them. So, this movie should be required viewing for anyone who's thinking about dating the Kardashian Timmy.

Oh, sure. Yeah. I know it seems good now, brother. Yeah. But I was there for nine years. It's not going to work out. I had Johnny Baz's apartment, which has a Picasso. Yeah. Yeah. And Catherine has a Picasso.

And also no maid service. Yeah. I really like Michael Douglas. I have down his hesitation. I can't believe this broad laugh that he does where he's just like drinking a paper cup of water. Yeah, yeah.

It's like his little weird flirty thing. Something Nick Catherine exchanges fuck like makes raised Rugrats live happily after. There's just like good screenwriting stuff in this. And then now, I can't believe you didn't mention this. Well, she got that Magna Cun Lottie Pussy on her. That's right of her brain.

Yeah. Just some of the George Zunza. he plays Gus Incredible Like you know he's dead The moment you see him You're like, yeah

He's overweight He's a buddy He's gonna drink too much He'll make it You do the pool He's gonna be 18 minutes left He'll be dead You know what's happening

Pre-Tech San Francisco Yeah I would also put in there San Francisco I used to come here a lot In the 90s Because some of my best High School

College friends lived here And San Francisco was fucking awesome In the 90s And it was a great place for young people. It was really cool. And obviously, it's gone through a lot of transformations over the years. But just seeing it, don't make a face, man.

I'm saying you're buying it into the propaganda. The fucking shit is beautiful. I've seen that fucking building. Georgia City. What's that pointy building? What's it called? The Pointing one from Star Trek. Do y'all know the name of the point of it?

I see that bitch. Transamerica, whatever the fuck. I saw that, I was like, yo man, this shit is crazy. Are we done with what stage the best? Can we move out? I had one thing which was, it takes, like, for me it took a bunch of viewings to notice this, is there is a brief moment when Douglas goes to Beth's house. He's like, come in and she's like, oh, my lock is broken. And it's like basically the only detail you get that Catherine has set Beth up this entire time

and is like placing articles in her house and shit. Got to put that revolver behind the bookcase. Change her locks, maybe, but like... It's a great... Otherwise, the whole movie almost falls apart at the end, which it kind of does anyway. Did you have another great shot Gordo for Best Shot? There's a bunch of really cool shit in here.

Yon de Bonn's really good, but the push in on Catherine's saying I'd have to be pretty stupid to write a book about killing and then kill them the same way I described in my book. And she's saying it to the audience where it's like almost breaking the fourth wall. Right. We don't get to give this out a lot, the Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate. Catherine's House.

Yes. So the exterior is in Stinson Beach and then the interior stuff was in Carmel by the Sea, which is not that close to her. About 35 mil right now for this one. Great Bay window, a great deck, easy access to a completely scary beach. You just feel like you can die as you're going on a walk. CR, you have a flex category. What do you got? Yeah, I mean, you guys tell me,

I feel like the Ed Norton Reverse Dunk Award did this movie need a random sports scene. There's a little bit of Niners, like at the end, like at the diner and stuff, but could we not get George Seaford in this movie somehow? Because you were still cooking back then.

What do you mean? Like Nick goes to like a Niners practice and has like Young Montana thoughts? Like Gus has lost a ton of money on the Niners or something. Yeah. Oh, I got one. Karen used to fuck somebody on the Niners.

Oh, Karen. Catherine. I'm drunk. Catherine used to, like, white woman, Karen, whatever. So she used to fuck somebody on a Niners, so they go to interview him. And it's Jerry Rice. And the name of her new novel is Rice. Right.

Yeah. Mallory, you don't get a flex because you have your own award. The Mallory Ribbon Award for, did this movie need a better sex scene? Oh, shit. Okay. Well, like, a third of the runtime is sex scenes, basically, right? We have the opening boss scene. We have Nick.

I'll incorporate some just nudity that's very central as well. Nick watching Catherine change in the mirror for the first time. The Nick Beth rape scene, we could make that better by not having it or not doing it that way, I'd say. Nick watching Catherine change again through the large, beautiful picture windows that you were just commenting on with the real estate, right? And reasonable to assume that she knows he's there. so put a pin in that. I'll be coming back to that in a second. We've got the fuck of the century.

The fireplace chaise scene. So we enter a different point in the movie now where we're like not seeing the sex. Right. They've worn us out. Make love to me. And then we cut in their cuddling in front of the fire. It's like, this is not the movie

that I signed up to watch. Why am I not seeing every second of that? And it ends up being very relevant because that's when she's planting the Lisa nuggets about Beth in this vulnerable moment. Then we get Catherine at Nick's apartment, some nudity. and then again, we don't see the sex scene insane.

Then we cut to them cuddling in the window no. So your case is that this movie didn't have enough sex? I think that there are a couple opportunities in the established sequence of the film to just show us all of the sex again, which I would have supported. And then, of course, the final sex scene, which once again mirrors the boss beats, spine-bending maneuvers, and then the forward thrust, and then, like, okay, she didn't kill them. So here are my suggestions. Give us the full sex scenes in the ones we can.

cut away from the make love to me, fireplace chaise, and the window nook. But I think for like the fourth or fifth rewatchables in a row, so this is something I'm going to reflect on later, I would like to suggest that the movie include a masturbation scene. Because it actually doesn't make sense that that's missing. And I think when Nick follows... Nick has calluses. Well, yeah, I'm like, how is...

How does Nick's dick have skin on it? If his hand has that many calluses on it, like use some lotion, my guy, come on. But I'm talking about Catherine, naturally. He follows her home. Someone said yes. Somebody said yes. A fellow visionary. A fellow visionary.

He follows her home. And she just immediately gets undressed. Drapes are open, giant window. She definitely knows he's there because he is the worst tale in the history of tales. Yeah, he really is. At no point in the movie does he follow somebody and they don't know that he's behind them. So she knows he's there. And purposefully, she gets undress.

in front of the window, leaves the lights on, and then as she walks away, turn the lights off, which I think is confirmation that she knows he's watching. There's a couch right there. Go for it.

Right? So you throw it some solo action. Yes. And then we mixed in a Newman scene as well. Oh, Newman's solo action. Let's see it. Yes. Real toss-up.

Let's either see Newman Jack off or Catherine Masterbeat. We're splendid on her couch either. Honestly, Yeah, I've never seen anything like that before, yeah. Oh, my God. Holy mackerel. We don't get to give this award out.

Craig, you were here when this award was created, the Stephen Segal Hard to Kill Award for, did this movie need a better intimacy coordinator? Clearly yes. So Paul Verhoeven is the intimacy. Yeah, I'm going to say yes on this. Yeah, I'm going to say yeah. I'll give this a yes.

Yeah, okay. Butch's girlfriend award for a weak link the film. I got this one and it really jumped out of me. What the fuck is Hazel Dobkins doing in this movie? Oh, this is mine too! Unless you subscribe to the online theory that she is the mastermind of this entire film. Oh. Oh. And that's why Catherine seems so deferential towards her and she's often at the house when Nick arrives is like Hazel's like in the background. Yeah. What message boards are you on?

R slash basic instinct. And no, but it's like it's either one of the other. She's either like they kind of wrote her into the movie and kept her like appearing throughout it or she is the Joker. What do you think of that, Van? What do you mean? Hazel Dobbins being the Joker. I don't know.

Like, you know, I'm thinking about a lot of stuff in this movie and I'm processing as we're talking. Like when we were talking about the sex scenes and Hazel, I looked at the sex scenes. I really thought that this was the way white people had sex back in the day. Because I look at her now and all of her riding skills, they're completely obsolete now.

We have new technologies. She wasn't making no circles. She was just going crazy. And then like when you, when you see showgirls, it's the same thing. When you watch Elizabeth Berklin Showgirls, she's in the pool and she's actually like she's on a bucking bronco. I got a fucking spasement and shit like that. But like, anyway. I had hazel questions as well because I think it's one of the more puzzling aspects of the plot. I hadn't considered, I didn't know this was a theory, I hadn't considered the Joker thing, but I think another bit of evidence to support this theory is that Hazel canonically killed her husband and three children, right?

She is a mass murderer, a child slayer, and it is established on the aforementioned computer that she was in jail for nine years for that. That's a Joker move. That's a Joker move. That's also insane. She slit their throats with a razor. And she's like, I put it a couple years. I'm good.

I had that in picking nits. It seemed like I would say a short prison sentence for wiping out your family. It's crazy. Hold on. This is the two Americans thing. That tracks kill her whole family. She gets out nine years. I know niggas in jail 55 years for weed.

That's for real. Feel guilty. Isn't the weak link of the movie, the DNA evidence thing, though? It's actually, like, I agree that we just want to watch the movie and have fun, but it is actually disqualifying. Borderline disqualifying. Like, DNA evidence had been in practice. since the 80s.

This movie is set in 92. There's just absolutely no reason. Every single murder involves every bodily fluid that you could possibly excrete. How are they not finding the killer? Can I counter this? Please. Because I had this in what stage is the worst,

not weakest link. Just because 10 years later, the DNA she's done in five minutes. But if you remember the OJ trial in 95, people still, we barely knew what DNA evidence was. And people like, even really believe it. Well, because he didn't do it.

Anyway. So, but no, but the DNA is kind of... So you're going to the sun? Like, the DNA is kind of rendered defunct by the fact that she admits that she has sex with the guy. Yeah. So she says that she has sex with him, and she says over and over again that they had sex.

So her being connected to him is not necessarily... But the fingerprints on the ice pick, like, there's stuff that they were. She's not covered in, like, blood. Her clothing doesn't have a trace of the blood. She's often slain victims. I don't think that's how it works. I'm just saying. If you commit a murder one day,

as a friend and person who loves you, don't just shower and think you're going to get away with it. You need to clean up for fully. That's so funny getting a call from CR, like 2.30. I took a shower. I'm fine. Come downtown, I did something I wasn't supposed to do, man. Bring a bar of Irish Spring. That should get me out of this.

I would help you. So what's age the worst for me? I don't know if that did. Wait, I'm not, I got to do my weak link. Oh, you got to do your wink. By the way, Van, I think you'd be one of my three calls. I don't know where you rank. Hey, bro.

Whose car are we taking? You call me, I'm with it. So I had a less auspicious weeklink. So Nick. Michael Douglas' character attacks Nielsen, the internal affairs guys that he gave up the files, right? It's in front of like 30 cops. Yes.

Has to be restrained. He's like ready to fight him. Six hours later, the guy shot in the head. And they're like, hey, shooter, we're going to need your gun. Bill. He's not in jail? I'm so glad you brought this up. Right?

This is what I don't think you caught in that scene where he goes into Nielsen's office. When he goes into Marty's office and he starts, like, jumping on him, Marty's boss pulls up a gun and puts it to his head what the shit is happening

so it's just funny there are no rules in the SFPD the SFPD is going nuts they take the gun put it hey do something to him I'll blow your fucking hand off the door that's internal affairs there's no fucking laws man

what a movie all right what takes the worst what you have Sierra Well, so what's each the worst is the fact that we know too much. We would be talking about DNA evidence. After David Simon, we know way too much about law enforcement storytelling. Back then, they were like, yeah, three months ago, this NARC killed two tourists while he was high on code.

Now fucks his therapist. Let's promote him to homicide detective. And have him drive the suspect who the two of them been making fuck me eyes at each other throughout this completely inappropriate interrogation. Did you know each other? My idea is, Nick, find out where Catherine leads. And then he abandons his responsibilities altogether. It's fucking amazing.

Watching it at the time, I was like, this is incredible. Watching it now, you're like, I think there would probably be some reviews. We mentioned the first sex scene is, I got to say, problematic now, but in 1992 wasn't not problematic. like it was a big thing when it happened with him and Gene Triple Horn. It's just a weird choice. I don't really get it.

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and they put the photo ID, and she's got a blonde wig in the photo ID, but it's the exact same photo as her now. And it was like, this movie cost $59 million. And they were just like, hey, what are we going to do with the photo? And they just like Photoshopped. I just don't understand it. It's such an unforced error. What else did? Do you have any, what stage of worst, man?

No, I was all about the way Chan Stone was riding dick. Did you have any more, Mel? I think that the, we've alluded to this, but like, the, beyond just the general kind of shoddy work from the SFPD, the, solving of the murder, they're like that jacket fit. Yeah. So it was back.

She's got a bunch of articles in her drawer. The jacket that says where she works on the back of it, which is definitely a choice you'd make as a murderer, fit. So it's her. I mean, that's just absolutely ludicrous. I had that in nipicks, but the same thing. They go to the, they go to Best kitchen drawer, they open up. There's all this scrapbook stuff. Yeah. And the guy goes, well, I guess that's it. Yeah, Walker's like... Yeah.

Tony, call it in. Guilty. Serial killers always keep a full binder of chronologically ordered incriminating evidence in their kitchen drawer. Always.

Crazy. The speed of the elevator in that sequence also ridiculous. And the fact that Nick has just had this very dramatic moment where he's like looking at the two covers,

oh, which will they go with? And he sees the paragraph about the detective's partner being found in the elevator. and then Gus shows up and is like, bud, I got a call from Catherine's freshman year roommate. Let's go. And Nick's like, sounds good.

That all seems credible. Let's do it. And then he's like, I'm just going to go inside a few floors up the elevator that you just read about. And it's like, cool, good luck. Yeah. He just read the page on the printer. And then he's killed shortly thereafter

in the exact scenario that was described in the pages he just read. Nick, terrible. No one's like Beth doesn't have blood on her hands at the end. I had a... Crazy. The last 40 minutes is the woods age

or worst. They kind of yada yada some of this stuff but I love this movie. If you stabs someone with an ice pick that many times in the jugular

and an elevator you have some blood on your hands. Yeah. And then I had the rip-off erotic thrillers that came after this that were all pretty bad.

I think the worst one's probably color night especially because Bruce Willis pool penis on a 70-foot screen wasn't really looking for that in 1990

Well. It's their own. I'm really excited for this next category. The Rough Low Hand and Rubenick Partridge overacting award obviously goes to Michael Douglas. He does this thing where he says the line but then yells the last two words. So it's like who has access to my goddamn files?

What is this? Some kind of joke! This is his angry Michael Douglas. Stop fucking riding me, man. I'll get your fucking teeth in. I just love it. All right, Vans Flex. So you have to do Howard Van Nath. How would Van Lathen get out of this one?

Which is an award we have sometimes. So as Beth or as Nick? I think you could be any of the three characters here. Howard Van get out of this one. Pick a character and go. I'm getting out of what, though? I don't know. How would Van Lathen get out of this? All right.

Your Beth. How about your Beth? So I'm Beth. I'm going to be Nick, right? Okay. Be Nick. So I'm Nick. And, you know, they're asking me, like, why I'm hanging around Catherine. Well, the reality is this, you say I don't read enough. The woman's an author, okay?

You say, I play the game too much. You say that I'm too obsessed with the dog. You say I'm on the computer too much. This woman's an author. She's written books. His books are very well-regarded. And what I'm trying to do is deeping my understanding of literature. Now, here's the deal.

If this was a male writer, you wouldn't have any problem with it. That's right. It's a female writer. So while you're looking at me, what I think you actually need to look at is the mirror because the reality is this is a woman, so you feel threatened. I don't feel threatened around women because I empower women. I believe in female writers. I believe in female creators.

And this is a female creator. I believe in her. So I'm going to keep hanging around her. You deal with your things. Talk to Dr. Crossman on Thursday. Nails it every time. Gaslight. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, Hottest Take Award.

So I was working on something, I told you earlier, I was like, I have a hottest take, but I haven't landed the plane yet. I think the plane's still circle in the airport. Is this movie a perverted man's version of Gilligan's Island where the professor is caught in between the psychosexual dealings of Ginger and Marianne? Or the CR is pandering to the audience award for safety. The cheapest home field take, San Francisco is the best movie city. Wow. The suck-up take, I like it. Now, do you have one?

I think Catherine is a pretty generous murderer. Oh, yeah. I mean, cocaine on the penis. Sure, you're alive to see the ice pick penetrate your nose, your neck, a couple other parts of your body, but you're shooting your load inside of her while it's happening. A bad way to go.

Yeah. That's fair. Thoughtful. She could just kill them. Exactly. What do you got, Ben? You scratched my back during the fuck section. It's over, okay? I know that, like, I've had this conversation since 99.

Hey, bro, I was in that shit like crazy dog. She was scratching my back up. I'm like, that's it. It's over. It's done. I don't even like spicy food. I don't like pain. You scratch.

Like, you're like, you bite my neck too hard. Hey, yo, on God, though, I feel you. Chill. All right. She scratches his shit like Wolverine and seeing Magneto. And this motherfucker's like, ah, God, whatever. That's what they say about you. No, I don't scratch my shit.

Mine, I don't know how to prove this. I think this is the single worst cop performance ever by a cop in a movie. So we get to meet Nick. He's off cocaine for three months. Yeah. Yeah. Three months. It's celebration.

Let's have a party. He's killed four tourists in the last five years. Yeah. But each time it was undercover for drugs, so it's fine. Somehow got promoted, as CR mentioned. He's asked to trail this suspect immediately falls in love with her and goes down this psychosexual path, loses his mind. Loses his badge and then ends up shooting his girlfriend.

Marrs. Murder, his therapist. After he let his partner go up to reenact the page of a book that he just read. Crazy. Let him go up. Shoots his girlfriend and then somehow gets away with it and he's back on the streets. I mean, this is like the real dirty hairy. This is it.

This is dirtier Harry. It was like lousy hairy. Terrible cop. Casting What Ifs. We mentioned Kim Basinger. Meg Ryan turned it down. Gina Davis turned it down. Ellen Barkin?

I'm amazed. She turned it down. Merrill Hemingway turned it down. And then it was Demi Moore versus Sharon Stone and Sharon Stone won. By far the funniest what if is that Emma Thompson auditioned for Catherine. Yeah, I didn't know what to make of that. Did you believe that? I mean, she said I auditioned for Kathy.

Okay. Yeah. Allegedly in one of the original scripts, Nick Kern was originally. originally a lesbian cop written with Kathleen Turner in mind and then they switched it. Paul Verhoeven was supposed to direct black rain, which will be on the

rewatchables at some point in 2026. But dropped out to do total recall. And then I thought this was amazing. Verhoven wanted Tom Berger for robocop and basic instinct. And Berenger's like, no thanks. You're a weird pervy Dutch guy. And I don't want to do a movie with you.

I'll be doing sniper instead. Yeah. Milos Foreman was the first choice to direct and do it. And then I don't know what to believe with who is considered for Nick. It was basically every white actor from 1992. The two other ones that were really big were Linda Fiorentino as Beth. And this is insane. But Brooke Shields is Roxy.

Yeah. Saw that. You don't want to comment? It's just there's no way. She just never would have done it. Best that guy award, Newman ineligible. Groundhog guy, the Ground Dog Day guy. Stephen Toblowski, he's ineligible.

Dickie Greenleaf's dad, the principal headmaster from Senate of Women, James Rebhorn, ineligible. Why is he ineligible? Because he's James Redhorn. Go ahead, Craig. He's in real, real, real weird with the bad guy. The fact that you have to say the guy from Groundhog Day means he's a that guy. Yeah.

I think Roxy wins the that guy award. No. No. Because if you see her, you think it's Roxy. No, it's not her. You're changing the definition of that. That guy means you've seen them so many times

and you're like, that guy. We never see Roxy again. It's like, so and there's a thunder. Who would the most amount of people in this room be like, oh, that guy when they see him on screen? So probably James Rebhorn. That's fine.

What about, okay, so. The sheriff, okay, Jack McGee, who plays the sheriff, he's also in Scrooge. Bruce A. Young, who is the guy who says he had a minute amount of cocaine on the penis and in the list. Chelsea Ross. Listen, I'm a team player. You can give it to whoever you want. Can we give Roxy the Deaun Waders Award that?

Definitely. No question. Is this a Hall of Fame, Dean Waders' performance? I've recently become really obsessed with these Instagram videos where it'll be like, Cam Chancellor being like, when I was out there, I was looking to kill. And then a fucking Drake song drops

and it's just Cam Chancellor hits for like two and a half minutes. They should make one for Roxy. Just with her footage in basic instincts. Oh, I forgot where I was. Yeah. Recasting Couch Director, City. So Hazel Dobbins,

does the character work better if it's just Jacqueline Bissett? Just throwing that out there. dead silence from the crowd. Let's walk through Tom Cruise as Nick. Yeah. Yeah. Let's just... Yeah. I don't want to get in the car with this, but let's take a stroll around

the block. A little younger, I think he brings the same amount on intentional comedy. Definitely. There's probably a running scene at one point. Probably across the Golden Gate. Yeah. Right. He's running the Golden Gate for no reason at all. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's running to Stinson Beach.

We... Vain, we'd get to... I'll see you there. I'll run. We'd get to watch him smoke. Nothing would be funnier than Tom Cruise ripping off Marlboro Reds. That'd be great. Him trying to have sexual chemistry

with Sharon Stone, who's like working overtime. I would love that. Him nude talking to Roxy in the bathroom. Yeah, nude Tom Cruise. Let me ask you something, Rocky. Man to man. Him in the nightclub scene? Like, he's definitely like, I'm fucking dance.

He's going to fucking dance. Yeah. He's not going to be able to stay. away, the beat's going to fucking completely destroy. Now, I don't know if you want to imitate Tom Cruise in the connollingus scene. This is turned into E.T. It's like E.T. coming out of the closet.

I don't know. I can see it. I see what you're saying. Yeah. So would you go Cruz or Douglas if you had to redo this? I feel like I would go Cruz. You got to go Douglas, man. What do you think, Craig? I'll think you're saying. Yeah. Stick up with Douglas.

All right, fine. Craig, you have a flex. category. Vincent Chase Award. Are we sure this character was actually good at his job? Catherine Tremel. Fantastic planner.

Messy killer. Reckless stabber. 31 stabs on Johnny Bosz. Why? Why do you act like you've been there before? Jesus Christ. He's dead after five. I thought you were actually going to say,

we don't know what kind of writer she was? Yeah. That too. I know she was fast because she would just be like, I'm off, Boz. I'm on to Nick. Shooter's done. Now we're going on to the next one. Also, in the script, it says only 16 stabs,

for some reason, up to the double, the 31 in the real movie. There is when she gives the copy of the first, the book about the kid who killed his parents in the plane crash. There's like a newsweek blurb on there about what a masterpiece it is, and it does say on the top, bestseller. Oh, shit. All the more reason why it would be hard for her to be a mass murderer. I mean, it's the thrill.

Leaving the ice pick and the scene of the crime. Like, she's just buying ice picks every week. But that's her whole game, right? It's like, it's the taunt. Yeah, they're the, you know, a buck 40 and came out. No regard for DNA? Messy, reckless. I don't like it.

Van, if you... She used Nielsen in the head in broad daylight in a car? She got away with all of it. Van, if you were dating her when you went to bed at night, would you check in different parts of the bed for the ice pick just to make sure? Would you just let it go? No, when you date crazy, you like... You just buy in. You know what I mean?

I would have, like, a metal detector. that works like a Roomba. Going around looking for an ice pick all over. Did you guys see that Sharon Stone literally as she was stabbing Bill Cable, the guy who played Johnny Boss, stabbed him so hard it went through the blood pack and pierced his skin and he went to the hospital.

Too much. Wow. She was really committed. Get off of me. Quick half-facisternerner. Research. No body doubles used in any sex scenes. Yep. We mentioned the five days to film the big sex scene. Douglas, the client to go full frontal. Yeah. In the film, which apparently he had in his contract.

The patriarchy is so real. I have that as well in my contract. I'm not doing it. Side dick, though. The first sex scene with Douglas and Triplehorn, it was the rehearsal scene, and creepy purve Verhoeven was like, that was good, let's keep that as the main.

And they didn't even know they were filming it as the real scene. That is like pretty weird. So, darkly. And then in Hollywood Animal, Joe Estherhaus's book, he claimed that he slept with Sharon Stone after the movie came out. That was in the book. Sure he did.

Yeah, I don't think he was... Esther Haas wrote this movie over the course of 10 days with no outline while listening to the Stones, which is a great euphemism for On Cocaine. Yeah. You can't tell. And then in the making of, I had to bring this up, Verhoven describes Nick as, quote,

a cop who has gone through some bad times and has done some things that we might consider wrong. Including four murders. Incredible. You know what category we didn't do? We didn't do, does this movie need more black people? No. There's a kill a clock on a list.

He's killing everybody. Apex Mountain is another category we do where we decide if this was the peak of somebody's something. Got it. Controversal character category. Michael Douglas, I'm going to say no. No. No. Sharon Stone, yes?

Yes. Yeah, for sure. Joe Esther House, yes. Sealing sex mirrors. Could be. Oh. Has it been done better than this? I don't...

Do you think that this is maybe the end of the peak of sealing sex mirrors? No, Cribs brought it back. Cribs brought it back? I think like three members of the Trailblazers had the ceiling mirrors. I remember. Zach Randolph definitely had it. San Francisco movies? Probably not.

Probably not, yeah. Erotic thrillers. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I'm sure. I'm saying yes. All right.

Freeze frame moments. Like moments you pause on in a movie? Side dick freeze frame? Yeah. It's like this or like, yeah. Phoebe Cates. What is it for Gene Triplehorn?

Because it's probably the firm, right? The firm. Yeah. Isn't that like right around this time? Isn't 92's kind of like, yeah. Yeah. Coke and Jack Daniels.

Oh. Sure. Got Pepsi in the fridge. Elevator murders. I'm going to go dress the kill. Gratuitous male actor ass shots, I think maybe. Oh yeah, so there was a whole competition. So look, bust this.

So he had to show his butt. He had no problem. Right. He said a white butt competition. Right. This was the apex of white butt competitions. Mail Gibson's butt lethal weapon. Kevin Costner's butt, Robin Hood.

Bruce Willis's butt later on in color of night. Douglas was like, you know what? I got the ass. Douglas the stallion. Got to do it. I'm going to show you all that I got that nasty. He had to show his blood. He probably wanted to show it.

He lost 25 pounds for the film of the movie. He looks great. That shape of his life. We don't get to give this a word all the time, but it's the Floyd gondole. Hold on for a second. Apex mound. I got a couple of things. Oh, what do you got?

Ice pigs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. The crowd's applauding ice picks.

What's happened to all of you? We've corrupted you in less than 90 minutes. picks fucking your therapist. I think this was like way up there, fucking your therapist right here. Not sopranos? Also, sopranos. The spruanos, they never fuck. Fantasy scene. Yeah, the fantasy.

Did they fucking Princess, Prince of Tides? I thought you said the Princess Bride for a minute. I did for a second, yeah. Do Streisanna and Nolte have sex in Prince of Tides? I honestly, see you know that it's probably not Apex now.

Haven't whipped that one out in a while. Women on top? Woman on top. Woman on top. You know, it might be like, hey, man, ladies get loud for that.

We know y'all like that shit. It only actually feels good to y'all. But like it, like, like, Oh, Adora, yeah. Like, woman on top. Like, this is,

she, when she wants to exert her power, she flips over and that's how she does her thing. Woman on top. The Floyd gondali butter in my ass and lollipops of my mouth award for something I just enjoy.

Here you go, C.R. For me, it's... Cops getting in too deep. Now I'll leave it go a little further when an unraveling and supposedly sober cop shows up at the police bar and orders a double. Yeah, yes. And multiple

cops go, oh no. There is. Nick's drinking again. I'm in every time. I just love it. Do you guys have any for that or should we keep going? Not wearing any underwear. So look, I love this, okay?

Who told women they had to wear underwear? Men. Don't listen. Okay, let that thing out. You know what I'm saying? And also, I'm going to be honest with you guys. I like doing it. Okay? Last year I got a wax job.

Yep. What's going on right now? He chronicled this on his podcast. Last year I got a wax job. It was very memorable. She waxed the entire thing. And like, like, three-quarter way through the wax, she goes, I love what you do. And I'm like, this is a little weird, but that's okay.

Oh, no. And after that, it's just, it feels sexy, dog. That is probably closer to the Floyd Gundali, like, essence of this category than we ever get. Craig's on LinkedIn right now. Looking around. We don't get to give this award out very much that he got game hooker scene for most awkward scene if someone randomly walks into the room. There's, like, five different scenes where your mother-in-law's coming down and you thought she was asleep. Yeah.

Yeah. Pickin' it's. Why didn't Johnny Baza's corpse have a rigor mortis boner? Did it? You want me to Google it? I mean, that's why you have the computer. When you die, don't you just die? Like, everything's intact?

I don't know if it's like getting frozen in carbonate. It's like the second your heart stops, you're like... Are we sure it's not, though? Do we have a doctor in now? It is a thing, a death erection. But he doesn't have an erection. Thank you. No.

Thank you. He doesn't have an erection. How did Hazel Dobbins get out of jail? I just nine years. She served her time for a husband and three kids gone. Let's let her out. I have a few more, but Sierra, you have any? I mean, when does Catherine write?

Oh, I had this, too. She wrote Shooter in two weeks. Yeah, she writes a matter of weeks, and she most of the time is having sex doing cocaine or driving around San Francisco. Or hanging out a next doorstep, waiting for him to come home. He's like, hey, got you a house plant. Prolific writer.

Yeah, she's a genius. She is. Okay. I got one. Yeah. So after the first time they have sex, you know, this big, he spoons her. Niggit, it's your girl now?

But he's in love with her Nah, I'll fuck all that Nah, spooning is for Sunday We watch an Avengers end game on T&T It takes up the whole fucking afternoon You do not spoon The psycho killer girl That you are investigating

He wants to, he knuzzles up next to her puts his hand over She calls me, what the fuck is up with you, homiele? He ain't got no homeboys? You spawning? That quick? Simpa-ass motherfucker CR?

That was it. My picking knit was really about Catherine's writing. Mal you have any? I think the fact that Nick gets hit by a moving vehicle, that Roxy drives a lotus into him and he is unaffected. He, like, shakes his head once as he gets behind the wheel. Like, that's the concussion protocol. One head shake.

No blood, no injuries. No damage to the car, which, of course, then will be damaged when it falls over the cliff, killing Roxy, who has no injuries, no blood on her. Despite the car being destroyed. Yes. Crazy. Ludacris.

Why did Johnny Bosz give all of his money to her? Why was she the only one available to get the $100 million? Was that who she got? I thought she got it from her parents. Yeah. I thought it was Bosz's money went to her after he died. Maybe he gets hit off. She gets them, but she's rich because of her parents.

Because killing her parents. So, Beth, as a nitpick, She falls for the broke cocaine using alcoholic with one friend who shoots people randomly once a year and just had his wife kill herself and she's like, when are you go on a dinner tonight? Would you like to come? Her dying words are I loved you.

Yeah, like this was it for Beth? This guy's 20 years older than her. She's a psychiatrist, so this is like, this is her cocaine. Yeah. Like a good time every night with Nick. This is consistent though. Yeah. So in the departed,

She falls in love. Oh, yeah, yeah. And the Sopranos is always this thing between Melfi. Like, what's going on with these therapists? I think they like that type of dumbass shit. They like the danger. Any more nip-pics? Because I'm going to move on.

Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all blackcast, are untouchable. I'd like to at least walk through all blackcast. What is... Because I feel like they have tried to make versions of this. What's... There's the one with... What's... I'm trying to...

trying to think. Help you out. Okay, what's your time about? Which one? Like, obsessed? No, it's the one with Allie Larder. Oh, obsessed. That's the call obsessed with Beyonce. Beyonce's the motherfucker. And Id yourself. There's none of the other with Megan Good, but they haven't... They never really pulled it off.

They haven't really pulled it off. There's a thin line between love and hate. That actually takes place in debate. Like with Martin Lawrence and Lynn Whitfield and stuff like that, it's tough. We don't like to pick our sisters like that, you know what I'm saying? Our sisters don't get obsessed and shit like that. Prestige TV? Could that work? Definitely.

Only to explain the ending. I don't... I mean, I guess you could do it as prestige TV. I will note that... Would you go backwards to Berkeley with Beth and... I would go back from the Manny Vasquez years. Yeah. The boxing.

I'd make a boxing show with Catherine as his girlfriend. But, you know, they made Basic Instinct 2, much maligned. It's horrible. Please Don't Rent. And a year ago, Joe Esther Haas, who is 80. reportedly sold a screenplay to Amazon for $2 million that was going to be an anti-woke reboot of basic instinct, because basic instinct is too woke. And he gave this quote, to those who question what an 80-year-old man is doing writing a sexy, erotic thriller, the rumors of my cinematic impotence are exaggerated and agist. I call my writing parter, all caps, the twisted little man.

and he lives somewhere deep inside me. He was born 29, he will die 29. And he tells me, sky high up, to write this piece and provide viewers with a wild and orgasmic ride. Do you want to see this? Yes. We should have made you read that as Vincent Hanna.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Ferga the florist, Zane Lowe or somebody else here. Nick, man. From nights of cocaine-fueled sex to days of shooting tourists, you've done it all. So what is it to get you fired up? Could it be the best-selling author of mass market paperbacks

uncrossing her legs in the interrogation room? And where does Nick Curran go from here? Incredible. Incredible. Amazing. I was hoping you would do Wayne. Give us a quick, Wayne. Here's the contacts.

Is on a book. God damn! She's on a book tour. She's gone to Baltimore in her book tour. Go. What is she doing in Baltimore? On a book tour for her bestseller. Oh, I was just going to say,

if Wayne was Gus, it would be like, God damn, Nick, you got Tweety Birds flying around your head. Give us Magna Coulouse in a Baltimore accent. Do it. No. He's not prepared for this. Going down to the ocean, Han. Can I give you

Ryan Ruko? Please. Announcing the first scene in the movie. Catherine's riding, and now she's reaching back. Is she going for the ice bag? You bet. Shout out to Rucco. Just one Oscar.

Who gets it? Stone. Sharon. All right. We all agree. Probably unanswerable questions. Van, was it a big? big deal when many of the boxer died in the ring

in 1984? Like cover of Sports Illustrated? Had to be a huge deal, right? Like led sports center? Yeah, for a good deal. Yeah, I feel like it was a big deal too. That was also another really weird cop moment is when they're like, maybe if she put on Afro and did blackface, she could be mad.

I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? See, I was going to let it slide. How long did they date after the movie ended? Well, how long until she kills them, right? Because that's the But is Nick still alive in 1995? No. No. Nick has died of a massive cocaine in two-star attack.

Yeah, he mentions Rugrats at the grocery store later that day and she stabs him, I think. If he doesn't retract the Rugrats line, because she's like, I hate Rugrats, she kills him right then and there. No question. So it's got to be just a matter of days. I'm always on the unanswerable questions and how long does he last front? like at what point is he like let me see some more of your pages about this detective so that I can just avoid the exact scenario that you have crafted and live a little longer. But he doesn't ask. I think they,

I think Montana goes to the chiefs, Nick unravels, he's back on the Coke, and then she just kills him because he's annoying. Yeah, she just has it. She stabs him death. Should she have just killed him at the ending? Is that a better ending?

No. If she murders him and that's the end of the movie. I don't think it would be like a fun theater-going experience if the last thing you see is Michael Douglas dying. Maybe it would be just. If the movie ends not with his actual death but with her grabbing the ice pick,

like actual grabbing the ice pick, then you leave on something a little bit more. Can we do like the soprano ending? Kind of thing. I like it just like it is because it's there. She reaches for it. Then she retracts. So there's enough to like,

I mean, you wanted to debate whether... I was curious, I mean, like, I think I weirdly, like, there's 8% of me that's like, but Beth could have done it. And Catherine also could be crazy. The ice pick's just there. At the same time. Yeah. I like that this is your like spinning top at the end of inception.

Yeah. You're like, was it moving? Is haunted me for 30 years. Secret Handshake Club memorabilia you'd want from this movie. A copy of Love Hertz by Catherine Wolfe. Ooh. V-neck. Shooter.

The V-neck sweater. The V-neck. Would you wear it? I mean, if I had it. Yeah. What do you have, Craig? Those giant red, like, semen glasses that he wears. Yeah, yes.

Imagine I just got those on when you come over. You know what these are from? Great one. Johnny Baaz's apartment. They're called the semen glasses. New from Chrome Hearts. What would you have, Van? I want the ice-be.

Yeah, of course. It's got to be the ice pick. Or the ceiling mirror. Mow. The storyboards. Well, I mean. Oh, my God. The storyboards are good too. That would be great.

I would frame them and I would display them tastefully next to my ceiling mirror. On your ceiling mirror. The Coach Finstock Mr. Miyagi Award for Best, Worst Life Lesson, I think it's actually worth it to risk it all for the fuck of the century. I think it's the lesson in this movie. I think Nick wins. Gets a girlfriend, breaks up with somebody he didn't really like that much anyway, gets out of murder investigation, gets rid of everybody at work that he kind of hated.

Big dub. She's loaded. She's got money. Beautiful properties. I think the life lesson is wash your sheets. Yeah. I think the life lesson is what Ha said.

That's her pussy talking. It ain't your brain. That happens. Sierra, what do you got for a double feature choice? Jagged Edge. There's another Joe Esther has thriller and it's also set in San Francisco. I like that movie.

I had total recall. Oh. Fatal attraction. Double vera. Oh, fatal. I had body of evidence. The Douglas double. Which is the bad version of this movie.

That movie's awful. With Madonna and Willem Defoe, which is interesting because the masturbation scene that you say that you want it. Yeah. They actually do that in body of evidence. And Willem Defoe is completely unprepared for it. Madonna just fucking goes for it.

And he doesn't know what to do. The Green Goblin is like, what is, man. Works every time. It's a really horrible movie. Who won the movie of Sharon Stone? No question. All right, we've never done this on a live show. Craig, we always go to him at the end

to see what he thought of the movie, but you'd already seen this one. Well, because we did this five years ago, but I don't think you asked me on that show. This movie is just elite entertainment. We didn't know how good we had it in the early 90s. It's crazy to me that this movie was reviewed poorly. Compared to what we have now,

this movie looks fantastic. It has like elite actor, great performance. It's based off, nothing huge star in it made $400 million. Like, this would be the achievement of the fucking decade if this movie came out right now. Yeah, agreed. All right.

There we go. I would also, it's a very good 4K Blu-ray. Yes. I bet. Yeah. Physical media era. Yeah. For the San Francisco scenes.

Yeah. Yeah. No, but in all seriousness, though, one reason why this movie holds up or it's so good or you can watch it now and digest it so easily it's because San Francisco is a character in the movie. And we're not making as many movies. We're Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego,

or characters in these movies. And they are just like, those cities are immaculate in terms of the way you can film them. You can't think it. It's beautiful. You can't fake San Francisco. And so, like, with that going away

makes you have to make this movie like in fucking Atlanta or something like that, the volume or something. Basic instinct in the volume would be pretty funny. It's fucking stupid, right? That's its legacy, but also, you know, Michael Douglas saying, I don't remember how often I used to jerk off, but it was a lot. Also important.

San Francisco's beauty and that. Yeah. You don't want to have calluses. That's bad. Yeah. That'll hurt your guy. Yeah, you guys take San Francisco for granted because you live here, but this city's awesome. And it's a really, really great movie location city. When you even walk around, you kind of feel like you're in a movie

when you're here with all the hills. and everything. If I lived here, the power walking, I was telling them, my legs, my legs would be like Adrian Peterson. I would just be, I'd be in the greatest shape of my life. Thank God I don't live here.

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