‘Blow Out’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Wesley Morris
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01:42where you can find the big picture with Sean Fennacy.You cannot find still processing with Leslie Morris.That's on the York Times.What am I fucking ghost?And you can find CR doing the watch with Andy Greenwald.You're not a ghost.Yeah.You're not breaking that out, right?
01:59Twice a week.Thanks for your support, though.We don't really often do four-person rewatchable's podcast,but we're doing it at this case.What do we do to deserve each other?Blowout.We got naughty in November is what we did.Blowout.
02:12Our third installment of Neo-November.Neo-November.You're so bad at messaging.Noddy November.No wonder you're not going to be my senator.Just say, naughty November.You keep changing it at the line.Blowout is next.
02:27It began with the sound that no one.was never supposed to hear.Recorded a murder.They say never happened.Almost blowout.Murder has a sound all its own.Rated R.See it at a theater near you.
02:58All right.This movie came out in 1981.It was directed by Brian DePama.Conspiracy Sex Noir.Quite a vertical, Wesley.Two things right in my middle of my wheelhouse.Conspiracies and Sex Noir.Great stuff.
03:13Your two favorite Reddit pages.Travolta.Chavoth in his peakDe Palma in his peakand for you and Chris Ryanone of the great Philly movies everIt's up thereIt might be the best
03:26What's that to live?Give us your one sentenceTake on this movieIt's theIt's one of the greatestmovies about a lot of different thingsIt's one of the greatest moviesAbout filmmaking
03:40It's one of the great movies aboutIt's the greatest movie about soundRightYesUm, it's one of, it's, I think this is the, this is my favorite John Travolta movie star performance.Me too.I'm gonna dive into that about 10 minutes from now.Sean is giving me, I love it when Sean is like, Sean has this, um, kind of skeptic, skeptical penetration look that he gives that simultaneously like friend at a bar, but also David Frost.
04:14Well, Sean loves phenomenon.So that's on.I think he's true.Yeah, yeah.I also think...Michael, actually, the one where he's an angel.That's my favorite.I also think this is just one of the great movies about how to get to the bottom of something that really kind of, like, De Palma is really messing with a tradition of detective work and mystery making here.
04:41And I just think it's a really good example.I don't know if it's the best example of this.But it's a great kind of murder mystery movie that doesn't do 60% of what most of these stories do, even the ones that are great and work.And I...Uncluttered.Yeah, I mean, the suspense operates in a really weird way here because what you really want to know, you don't really care about what happened.You kind of want to know what's going to happen to Travolta's character.Yeah, you don't know, like, what McRyan was standing for that made him.
05:15get assassinated.And the movie does not even pretend to care.C.R. was going to vote for him.I was there.I had the pin and everything.Were you the cop?Were you the cop in the room?He ended my vote.
05:27Sierra, this movie checks a lot of boxes for you.Yeah.There's a really great De Palma documentarythat Noel Bomback.Very good.We're going to talk about that a lot.But in that doc,Bombach's asking De Palma about the settings for his movies
05:42and specifically for this case, Philly,which is where DePaulma.from and he's like that must be very exciting for you that must be one of the main draws andDe Palma's like when I'm watching a movie and it opens up and it's just a helicopter shot ofNew York I think to myself where's the idea and every single second of Blah has an ideawhether it's a visual idea an auditory idea so many visual ideas a performance idea an idea aboutlike the individual versus society and conspiracies and mysteries and everything it's justlike you can watch it over and over and
06:15over again and see something or hear something or think about something new.It's just, it's such a rewarding movie because then it's also just like a great middleweightclass thriller that just races through its plight.It's so fucking fun.Middleweight thriller is great.Yeah.Yeah.De Palma is your guy, Sean.
06:35Well, you had a lot of guys.Was and it is, yeah.Well, this whole generation of filmmakers that were working during this theme month are some ofmy favorites.The Paul is the ultimate technician, you know.He's like, he's a craftsman, not an artist.He makes a lot of art, but he understands the mechanics of movie makingprobably as good as anybody from his generation.
06:56And this is, like Wesley said, it's a movie about making movies.There's literally a moment where Travolta's character recreates making a film.We have to talk about this.We'll save it for later.I don't know how they did that.I mean, there's several sequences in this movie, which is now,over 40 years old where you're like, I don't, I've never seen that before and I've never seen it since.There's a particular moment where the camera is spinning around in the room and you're like, what?
07:22It looks like a special effect and it's not. And so, you know, he's like an incredibly intellectual guy,but he's the father of someone who worked in medicine. And so he has this kind of engineers mentalitywhen he puts films together. And I think when Chris says like, where's the idea, that's not thishighfalut and philosophical concept. It's like, how do the pieces fit together? He's like a puzzle master.and I think this is probably his masterpiecelike probably his ultimatea lot of people love Carrieyou know there are people who go to bat
07:50for like Mission Impossible butDress to Killwhich is the film that precedes this moviewhich is the reason he got to make this movieis because of the incredible successof Dress to Killbut to me this is the ultimate technicians movieand it's also deeply emotional
08:04like unusually emotionalfor really romanticyeah so I mean I think it's like a full-blown masterpieceI said to Chris yesterday I'm likeis this one of the 10 bestmovies ever made.On a certain day,I feel that way.
08:15This is like,Tarantino,this is like one of hisfavorite movies.If you watch this movie,you're like,this movie inventsDavid Fincher.
08:23You know what I mean?Like,there's everything that wekind of like,like that comes afterthis has a lot of rootsin this movie.Yeah.
08:31I saw it in the theater.And it was cool.That was weird.I was like 11.That's how people felt.Yeah.With my dad,I was like,
08:40all right,that was cool.That suckedthat she died and then, you know,I don't know, I was 11.I didn't appreciate any of the stuff he was doing in it.And then when it had that second and thirdand fourth shelf life on cable,
08:52and you just start watching specific scenes.And it's like what Chris said,there's just the ideas.It's just an all-time idea movie.I think Tarantino, I'm not surprisedthis is one of his favorite moviesbecause you can see like he's stealing the,I'm not just doing a scene here.
09:11I want to make this scene.seen as cool and interesting and unique as possible.DePaul is a fascinating filmmaker.I think this is by far his best movie.I really do.I think this is start, middle, finish.Yeah, yeah.He just peaks.
09:24And it's crazy this film had no Oscar buzz.It got no award to the summer.It was considered a bomb and kind of ruined Chavolta's career.It's like, insane.When you look back, you're like, how did this?How was this bad for everybody?How did this happen?Yeah, I mean, it got caught in a really interesting
09:41summer of 81,which I think is indicative of howthis movie is kind of a relic. It's like a lateperiod new Hollywood movie. And it feelslike it feels a lot closer to Coppola'sa conversation than it does what was contemporary.Right. It should have come out in like 1976.It's like June 10th is Raiders of
09:57the Lost Ark. June 17th isSuperman 2. June 24th isStripes. That's 80smovies right there in a nutshell.It's not this bleak,desperate, reallysad, depressingyou know,
10:12paranoid,ad old film.Like,that's just not what the moment was.And he was still in that moment,but it's not what movies was.But it also,but it,
10:19I agree with you,but I also think,it's funny because,you know,American Gigolois a movie where,I mean,it has been said before
10:27Chuck Clostermanhas said itmaybe best.And maybe he made me think this,and I don't knowthat I thought it before.I read him say thisabout American Gigolo,
10:37but like,you watch that movieand you're like,it's like the 70s,didn't even happen.And you're just like, the 80s, whatever the 80s is, is starting right now.I'm going to, like, Paul Schrader is pressing play on an entire decade.Right.
10:53This movie, which comes out the year, or the year after American Gigolo, it still feelslike it's straddling the priorities, the sort of, like the sort of intellectual andatmospheric priorities.It feels like something that may have been written in 77.Right.Yeah.Yeah.But it has.
11:10it has this brightnessand this likeflexibilityand this glossinessand this interest inTravolta's stardomthat is completelya 1980s thing.
11:26Right.This movie does not work.I mean,we're obviously going to talk about this,but I can't thinkof somebody else who couldhave made this workwith the lightness
11:39that it has the deceptive lightness,the like finesse,all of that is coming from Travolta.Because in 1975, if this movie comes out,Redford's the star.It's one of the heavies, right?Yeah.It's a different movie, and it's probably really good.
11:55It could be Hoffman.It could be any one of those guys could do it,but nobody would do it with this much, like,I really, I love what you're saying about those.That's exactly what I was going to say.I was going to say, like, I think I always look at Travolta's performancesas dances for some reason, for obvious reasons.But watching him when he's got multiple machines running in his lab in his office,
12:19and he's like kind of going in between a couple of different things and taping things up.And he's like cutting this and reeling that.Just like this guy is like walking on air.I'm getting chill right now.And if you think about Dustin Hoffman doing that and he's just like, fuck, cut.And he's like, he's like a pugilist.he's like fighting everything.But Travolta's like, yeah, I got to find out what happened, man.
12:41I got to do this.I'm smoking.I'm walking through Philadelphia.Nobody can bother me.You know what I mean?It's like it's effortless, but it actually makes the movie, it contrasts how dark andconspiratorial the movie is to have this guy just be like, I'm the hero.But not only, it's also that like in that sequence.
12:58So there's like to just like establish this, there's a sequence where he is, he'sgotten the photographs of the car that has gone off the bridge, right?He's got Dennis Francis who's like this like wheat witty carp.Yeah.Like this Wii G.S tabloid photographer.The pictures have run in Newsweek and everywhere.He sold them everywhere, I guess.Travolta gets the pictures.
13:21He makes a little, like the Newsweek ran them, you know, frame by frame.Yeah, news today.It's like supposed to be like a glossy in Philly.So he gets these, he gets this magazine's photos.He makes a little flip book.he then takes the flip book and basically turns it intoyou know a film made movieand then he marries the sound that he gets the night
13:45he was out there recording when the car goes off the bridgeand what you're watching him do is a very seemingly simple thingwhich is marry the sound he took to the images from the magazinebut this is a eight minute sequenceand the entire time you're watching a person who you know is John Travoltabut you also believe this guyknows exactly what he's doingbecause there's such a casualness about it, right?
14:09Like, he does this all,he does some version of this all the time.He works in movies.He watches people construct movies every day.Yes, and there's just something aboutthe concentration on his face.He's not performing thought.He just, there's a level of engagement
14:25that is so, I don't know how you act this.I don't know how you rehearse it.I don't know what Travolta is thinking,because I'm not watching a person think.I'm watching a person,but he's got to be thinking because he's doing a jobthat he doesn't normally do.You're tapping into something that I was loving movies,
14:45and I can't think of that many examplesof when somebody lands the plane on it.When somebody's got some cool job that's really distinct.That they're actually good at.Yes.And you completely believe they're good at the job.I can't think of less than like 10 examples.He handles that with one line.
15:01Even all the president's men when we did that one,when he's just in the,newsroom and they're kind of the way Redford's navigating around the newsroom, like you just kind ofeventually just think this guy definitely works for the newspaper. Yeah, I, I, Michael Clayton is agood example of this. Like, what is a fixer at a law firm? That's a very specific job that has a veryspecific approach to that job, just like somebody who mixes and captures sound for a film andintegrates it into movies, even schlocky B-grade movies. That's a very specific job that we don'toften see in movies. And so when you get that level of specificity in the, in the, you know,
15:35in the gig, you got to have that level of specificityand showing you how you do that job.Otherwise, why may get that job?What would even be the point of that?So obviously, it's intrinsic to the way they tell this story.But I don't know.I mean, I think De Palma at times is like,this job is not easy.
15:50You know, what I do is not simple.It's like an appreciation.It is.Oh, of course.And like a lot of,a lot of that sequence is,it's half watching Travolta do the job.And the other half is close-ups of the job being done.
16:03Yeah.I mean,It's his hands turning knobs and pulling levers and cranking things.And there are so many close-ups of the work being done.And it's just this beautifully assembled sequence that relies on a movie star's movie starnessand a director's real insistence upon an appreciation for craftspersonship.Yeah, you know, like I was watching this last night with my wife.And just was the first time she'd seen it.
16:31And we were watching during that sequence.She was just like, there was some gizmo or mechanism that he was threading film through.And she was like, oh, that seems like it would jam.And I just said to her, well, he'd fix it.And that's the other thing about this movie that I love so much is like just to be back in the world of tactile things that we used to like, here's these like giant tables that you needed to like set a image.You know what I mean?Or here's this huge crank that you'd have to do to get a film strip to go through and to sync up sound.And like, I think it's the fact that this movie, I mean, obviously, because for Rosalie and I, we, like, see places that we've walked up and down the streets a hundred thousand times or whatever.
17:10But there's also, like, an immersion in the world of things that I think is now gone.It's like, how would a guy, if you set this in 2022, he would be doing everything on his iPhone pretty much.And, like, you know, there would be five people who would have a camera out immediately when the car went into the water.But it's only this sound guy.You know what I mean?Like, who understands?I hear something before the tire blows out.And that's the entire...
17:36It's a degree of difficulty, right?Yeah. It's a skill.It's just less degree of difficulty now.He's got all these big contraptions.I think, though, that...I mean, I'm 100% with you about the tactility.It's just really romantic to, like, feel that.I can smell that office.
17:48I can see a diploma, some version of a diploma doing,finding a visual language for doing it on an eye.Sure.Absolutely.You know what else is cool, though.But if it's professional, I don't know what professionals do now,but whatever a professional sound person's apparatus is,is.
18:02Yeah, it's probably easier.But I hear you about the, the tactility is important, though, right?Mm-hmm.Because you're, like, there's something about, like, the making of art, but it is an entirelymanual process, which are-I- mean, it's manual and sensory, but the manual part, you can't,you can't, we can't appreciate the sensory mastership without the sort of, the manuallabor aspect of the job.And he has to sort of master.
18:31The thing about Travolta in this performanceis just the way he puts his equipment on his shoulder.When he leaves the office to go out to record that bridge situation,that he doesn't know he's going to record.He's recording wind, right?Yeah.Because somebody, you know, the director of this movie is sort of telling him he's doing a bad job.And he's like, I'm just going to go out in the middle of the night
18:53and prove this motherfucker wrong and get some good win.Well, it's also the way De Palma films that whole scenewhen he's recording the soundand he's got these little thingsto like plant your brain for laterso then when he listens back to the soundit's like there's the owl againand there's the bridge it's like
19:10well now you've gone through it three timesso you know it goesit goes frog owl and then the blowoutbut we're you knowwe're nostalgic about the greatnessof a filmmaker who can do something like thisbut he's in a waybeing nostalgic about something
19:25that is still relevant todaywhich is like that's the Zepruder filmWhich is just, right?That's just him watching something over and over and over again.He's a massive Kennedy conspiracy.I don't know if he's a theorist, but he's somebody who's really interested in that story.It's my kind of guy.Chapegoidic is a part of this story.
19:40There are a number of other political conspiracies and events that are part of the story.And it's all about revisiting, rewatching, re-reading,trying to better understand by going back and going back and going backand putting those little hallmarks that you just pointed out, Bill,and showing them again later in the film where we're reimagining some of the thingsthat we see the tire being blown out.When does the sound hit?What comes first?
20:01When did we see the owl in the split die after shot?All that stuff is so intentional because he is that guy.He's the guy who has looked at stuff over and over and cutting a film is the same way.You're cutting a movie.I just saw a movie this week.I won't spoil the movie.It's the Fableman's, the new Spielberg movie, which is all about like his becoming a person who loves and appreciates movies.And there's a lot of time spent in the film showing how in the 1960s as a kid you would cut a film together.
20:26You would actually like cut the actual film and have.you would sync music.And it's the first time I've seen something like that since this movie where he reallycares about explaining to you that this is how something comes together.When you watch JFK, we don't know about Abrams of Pruder and like why he was filming.And we just know that there's that there's that footage that we see over and over again.Like Garrison sees over and over again.In this movie, he's like, this is how this happens.
20:52This is how you capture something.And then this is how you make something out of what you captured.But I actually think that what's interesting about this, though, is that.that it's anti-conspiratorial, right?This is like...I wonder.It's an interesting conversation.Because what you're watching is the labor that goes into proving a conspiracy.
21:13Because, I mean, I'm not...Like, obviously, there are lots of conspiracy theories?But are you watching that?Are you watching the labor not paying off because nobody believes them?Right.And in the end, the government gets away with it.Okay.I think that's what it is.
21:25Fine.But you're kind of right, though.But you don't...But it is like, well, you're just...say it. Well, no, in the beginning of the movie, the guy comes up to him,he's like, yeah, there was a girl in the car, but we're not going to talkabout that. Yeah. I mean,well, I'm going to prove, I mean,
21:37like, there's a version of this also where he's like, well,I guess that's it. Yeah. Well, he hasthe quote, and this is why this is J.F.K.Cross with Chappaquittic.Travolta says, if they can get away with thisand kill McRine, who's next?Right. Yeah. Right. Which is basically70s DNA of,
21:52hey, if we let this happen,you could be next, I could be next.We're all in danger.which is basically five years in the 70s.Yep.We don't trust anyone.But the reading is, is De Palma just like the ultimate cynic?Where he's like, it doesn't matter.
22:09The machine of power will operate however it wants and they'll get away with whatever they want.I mean, that's my interpretation.Sure.Sure.If you work hard enough and you build enough of a case, you might lose your partner or the personyou're falling in love with or something, but you can learn the truth.You can discover what's real.Like, I think that's an amazing binary.
22:28It's both, right?Let's go to conspiracy Chris for the final verdict.I mean, I think that the end of the movie is tragic.I think at the end of the movie, he's at once right and it also doesn't matter.And then the news report is just like a serial killer was finally stopped.It's nothing about McReyn.It's nothing about who Sally was.It's nothing about Travolta being there.
22:48It's not, nothing gets uncovered about Burke.They get away with it.All right.I'm going to ask all three of you and you have short answers.Okay.This is the best conspiracy movie ever, Sean.Have we ever done better than this?I mean, I prefer the Pekula trilogy as like a statement.
23:11Like, include all the president's men and then Parallax View,which is the one that, like, in the last 10 years or so,has become the most resonant to me.That's the movie that has probably grown the most in my estimation personally in the last 10 years.It's the most ridiculous of the three.It's crazy.And it's a really cool counterpoint to this movie, which is really practical.But similar story about a guy like,
23:29really hunting for the truth the whole time and feeling the forces converging on him.And I also just love JFK.I love a person who's just like, I'm opening my vein.Listen.Listen.Listen.I was just watched that two weeks ago.I wrote a long thing that never wound up.
23:46I turned into one sentence and in a larger piece.But I had the most fun watching that movie because it is the most honest depiction.of what has happenedin this country in the last60 years, right?This idea of,I mean, I'm just going to saywhat JFK is about.
24:11JFK is aboutsome white supremacist's bullshit.And Oliver Stone knows it.All these guys are hypocritesand all they want to dois the opposite of what they are sayingshould be done.Right.
24:23Right?The idea that you've just gota bunch of like homophobichomosexuals,who also have control over every lever of powerdetermining whether or not we should knowwhat happened to the president of the United States of America?It's wild to be.
24:43So JFK is your pick.Which your pick?Presidents.Which one?Presidents.All the presidents.I mean, I'm just with Sean on JFK.I think that the ambition of JFK and the naked,
24:54well, it's not, I mean, the insanity of it,Right?It is like, and yet there's such a rigor.It's as rigorously made as it blowout.So that's the thing.This movie, the Pakula movies, the conversation, whatever, like, whatever your favorites are of all those films, those movies, those movies are about a person exploring a conspiracy.JFK is a conspiracy.Yes.
25:21Yes.It is literally a rendition of what's in his head about what happens.And there are not a lot of movies like that.There are some really cool movies from that.time like, I want to say is it Twilight's Lastgleaming? And there's alsolike executive action. There are a seriesof movies that are more like action movies from
25:37the 60s and 70s that are much more likework a day procedural. Like if thepresident was overthrown, here's how it wouldhappen. There's some of the most fun movies ever made.They're ridiculous. Yes, executive action iswonderful. But thosemovies are actually closer to JFKbecause they're like showing you. Yeah. If something was
25:53going to happen, here's how it would happen. And that makesJFK very different, I think, from the movies that we talkabout and celebrate the most. That doesn't meanblowout isn't incredible.It is incredible.But it's as much about the technical aspect.Yeah.This is my favorite conspiracy thriller.
26:09It's just not my favorite conspiracy movie.I have a second.Okay.I like presidents,you know,I love it.That's like...That's a perfect movie.
26:16What's weird, though, is that blowout kind of,and maybe because blowout didn't do well,the conspiracy error kind of ends.Mm-hmm.And we go basically through the 80s with...Yeah.I don't know.The 80s just shifts into...
26:28I'm a big believer in the, like, I'm one of those sad people who, like, enjoys looking at our popular culture through the lens of who's in the White House.Right.And obviously, Reagan comes into, Reagan is inaugurated six months after, six months before this movie comes out.Yeah.And, you know, he sets the priority.The nation is responding to a set of changed priorities, right?Carter was too negative.He was, he was, there was too much doom and gloom.
26:57And, you know, Nixon was Nixon.It was like all, everything was a conspiracy in his mind and as it turns out in the administration.And there's something about what Reagan offered, like, like morning in America.It's like, and that's what that's what the culture kind of became, right?It became this celebration and there's a return of these old 40s and 50s values in the 80s, right?If you look at every movie we got, there's some tension.between tradition and progress.Right?
27:32And it's built, like the river through which those two ideas run is capitalism.And so to that point, like I think what shifts is that it moves away from political conspiracy to sort of like a corporate conspiracy.Like Silkwood comes out like a couple of years later.That's a good example of a movie that.When's China syndrome is that?That's 79.It's in the same league where it's sort of like it's about a corporation that did something that hurt.people and they're trying to cover it up and that
27:59there's a difference between that and thepresidency or the Congress trying tocover something up or the CIA.They're related and they're all about power,but I think like the corporate 80s is a good exampleof like the interest in these kinds of storiesshifting. But it was a cell of, I mean,at some point a movie like that
28:15becomesrare, right? Silkwood,Silkwood is a rare movie.Mostly what you get is, I was saying this to yesterday,the farm movie, the like, thecollapse of the American agriculturallike the sort of the smallsmall agriculture, mom and pop
28:31agriculture in the face of agribusinessright? Thecelebration and glorificationof corporateness, corporatepower, the idea that there was somany movies about bumpkinscoming in to the corporate
28:47structure and doing a better job thanold white men who'd been in it for a longtime. Michael J. Fox, Bette Miller andLily Tomlin.Trading place. Fox again. Eddie Murphy,Eddie Murphy, you know, on Dan Aykroyd's back with Jamie Lee Curtis.Like all of these people who had previously been locked outside the power structure,a lot of these 80s movies.
29:06Well, Michael J. Fox, well, he's an Iowan, right?He's a farm kid who can't wait to get to the big city in Secret of My Success.And like basically fucks his way to the top, you know?All of these movies are about Wall Street is essentially that but with a ceiling.Early 90s, it comes back, but in a different way.In a different way.Like that Clint Eastwood, what was that, in the line of fire?Yeah, and then like the Grishin books touch on it.
29:31The firm.Yep.Yeah.Yeah.It's more commercialized.Let's take a break and we'll talk about Travolta.Snoring, gasping during sleep, feeling fatigued, ask your doctor about Zepbound,ter's appetite.
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32:05He turns down officer and a gentlemangoes to Richard Gere.Turns down Splash, goes to Tom Hanks.Oh my God.Decides to do staying alive with Slice Stallone bombs.By 1985...He turned down Splash?Yeah. He would have been perfect in Splash!
32:21Yeah. Does two of a kindwith Olivia New John?Oh, God. Oh, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny.And perfect in 1985.And his career is over as a movie star.You also, we mentioned this obviously on a previous episode,but he also, before this, turned down American Gigolo.Yep.
32:38Right.So a combination of turned down a couple of the wrong roles.Oh, my God.I think flew too close to the sun,which people, they're going to start rooting against a little bit.Did he fly too close?Did he just have a bad agent?There's a lot.
32:54I mean, the conspiracy theory is that, like,Scientology became a big part of his life at this time.I don't even think it's a theory.in directions in terms of the kinds of films that it makes,which makes this movie even weirder.The fact that he made this movie in the throes of that period of his life.He just seems like such a normal guy in this movie.Totally.
33:09That's the thing.And, well, God, this is...And his hair seemed...Beautiful.Yeah, great.No, I mean...Cuff.Yeah.
33:18I... Go on, Bill.Well, his comeback is in Pulp Fiction in 1994, a long way.I mean, he has a couple of...The Luke Who's Talking.Yeah, yeah.As, like, somebody who would be the leading...man and a big movie with the great director.But Tarantino loves blowout
33:35and that's how he ends up in Pulp Fiction because he's likeI'll ride with Geraltauntil the end. This is my guy.And that kicks off a comebackthat is like, there are very few comparisonsto them. One of the very great.Even if you don't like all those movies.Like face off and Shorty
33:50and Michael and Phenomenon and hewas back. He was fully back. We wanted togo to the movies to watch this person. He was openingmovies. Broken Arrow. He's playing the villain.Like he was doing stuff. I'm getting chills again.It was a great one.Broken Era.Whenever you want.
34:04Just name the time and the place.Our girl Mathis?Oh, Samantha Mathis.High 90s?That's what I think of when I think of Broken Arrow.John Wu, not Slater.Slater?It's Mathis.
34:15It's Mathis.It's directed by John Wu.Are you kidding me?Yeah.Samantha Mathis.Oh, I miss that.So one of the legacies of blowout for me is it's just so confusing that all the great directors we had at this point, right?The guys from the 70s.
34:30moving into this decadeand that just none of themlooked at Travoltais this treasure to belike what else is in hereI think you're gonna get to the endof the non-day Novemberand we're gonna realize
34:43we're saying the same thingover and over againmaybe not in the momentbut we just did cruisingit's just that like they just stoppedmaking movies like thisyeah they just stoppedlike these guys
34:51all these guyswanted to make real moneyso like they either disappearor they get biggerand they start doing bigger moviesor more Hollywood moviesor whateverthese directors fall out of fashion
35:02unless they change with the times.Like, think about what fucking happensin the naughty November movies.These are dark.My wife last night was like,she's dead?You spend all this time with Nancy Allenonly to realize she's not going to run off
35:18with John Travolta. She's going to get psychos.I shirk my side every time. I'm like, oh yeah, she shows upin the last scene. It's like, no, it's her ghost voicethat shows up in the last scene.Well, that was one of the reasons peoplethis movie didn't hit.the ending was so disturbingpeople were like, what the fuck?
35:33Not strong word of mouth.No.I never have been more bummed outleaving a movie theater.Don't go to that movie.I want to linger in thethe 80s that didn't happen forJohn Travolta.
35:46Because if you think about itfor the kind of,the person you're watchingin this movie,he could have done everything Tom Hanks did.I was going to ask you,who were his market correctors?And in heels, I might add.
35:59He could have.have donehe could have doneromancing the stonehe could have doneBeverly Hills cophe could have doneevery single movie
36:08every single star drivenmovie that happenedin the 1980she could have donehe could have doneamadeusyeahlike he I mean
36:15with I meanI'm gladTom Hulse did itlike I don't want totake anythingfrom Eddie MurphyI'm just sayingthere's nothing
36:21that I can't imaginethis guy doingin that decadeof all theall the hitsFred Astaireand Jimmy Stewartand the same person
36:29Like he could have done in any movie, literally any movie.Yes.And the idea that there was no place for him.Purple rain.Maybe not Purple.Man Hunter?Why not?Man Hunter.
36:41He could have done it.Oh my God.He definitely could have done a man Hunter.He could have done anything.He would have been amazing in Manhunter.But you know what I think.I think, I mean, aside from the fact that he, in the beginning of the decade, turned downsome stuff.
36:54If you watch a movie like perfect, it's, he's great in that movie.Like, he's exactly what.you want a movie star to do? Two of a kind.Same thing. I think perfect's a little underrated. I'm just going to put that out there.Listen, I love...There's some real young winner acting in perfect.It's... I mean, he has scenes.He's many scenes.
37:13I think that...I kind of like perfect, too.It's pretty good.He just got unlucky.He just got unlucky.Can anyone in this room name two movies that John Travolta has made in the last 10 years?Last 10 years.Does he make like Red Box Thrullers now?
37:25Two movies.Oh, oh, oh.Well, does the one, the Paris one count?the one where he's bald andlike an assassin in Paris? I think that's2009 or 10. I'm asking you to namethe film. I can't nameprobably Bruce Willis was in a couple
37:40of them, right? Zombie Bruce Wallace.I mean, think about that. How crazy thatis that you can't name. I mean, the one that I think mostpeople would be able to get would be Gotti, which was kind ofa joke because of how bad it was. Like a legendaryall-time terrible. You were talking about from Pariswith Love, which is 2010.Yeah. But I mean, I am wrath,
37:55speed kills, trading paint,the poison rose. What are thesemovies. This is themovie star of 1977.The movie star. Yeah, but like heshouldn't be acting in movies50 years into a career. Like Redford,Paul Newman, these guys went away.
38:12What are you talking about? Paul Newmanlike never stopped acting.But Troubota looks crazy now.Yes. He's got like he's gota different hair, wig thing in everymovie. He's got this giant moon face. He doesn't even look likeTrowalta. Yeah, I'm with you. But that's not thepoint because when it's, when he's on, he's
38:29like when it works like that does not a thingyou turn off rightlike he still got access to that at some pointit's over you're not a leading manI don't agree the last big thing he didwas savages with Oliver Stone which wasnot a hit but was you know a bigstudio movie yeah and
38:45I mean he's just he's out of the rotationit's just and it's the same thing thathappened in the 80s just happen him againI think that like you knowI think it's fun losing a wifethe Adina Menzelthing adina Mazeemwhatever that's the
38:59thing is even when that happened, he was still doing junk thrillers, but they were still invitinghim to the Oscars. That's such a paradox. That very rarely happens. But it means it's, like,it speaks to the legacy that we all know he has. He's only 68. He's not 80. Like, he's notthat old. And 10 years ago, he was 58. So you're calling another, another comeback.Oh, the last good thing he was eating was, was he was Robert Shapiro and the OJ thing. He was good at that.It's weird. He didn't really get like a bump off of that. He probably should just go makeprestige TV, but I think...I agree.
39:31Yeah.Maybe the perfect rewatchablesthat we do,that'll get it backwhen we do perfect.I want to do it.I was good.Please call on me.
39:38I thought you were sayingthis is the perfect rewatchables.I have so many James Bridgestakes, you can't even believe it.I've been on the James Bridges runfor the last five years.Was it only you can answer this question.How much of Travolta's
39:51off-the-screen lifeas we head into the 80s,early 80s,and rumors about what he was likeand all that stuff. Do you think that affectedpeople casting them? I always wonder.I always wonder. I thinkthe Scientology thing
40:07didn't help, I don't think.I think thatall of theconversations about likewhat else was going on in his privatelife,I don't know if theythey had never reached. I mean, I was a kid
40:23when this stuff was happening. And so wereyou. Like there was no... I didn't knowanything. There was no wayit could have reached mebut I assumebecause like now as an adultyou hear all theseyou hear all these stories
40:35and I don't even knowwhat the stories arebut they're likeyou knowJohn Travolta wasyou knowdoing the following13 things that were odd
40:43that in this towninwell even likewhen we did AmericanGigolo Schraderwas on the recordhe was like yeahI think Travolta got
40:52spooked by the parkbecause he was so deepin the closet at the timeit's like whoayeahyou're putting that out in the worldyeahI mean, okay.
41:00I don't know.If the traders on the record is saying it, then yes, we can discuss this.I was wonder if there was like a leading man bias against him with some of the Hollywood infrastructure because.But the funny thing is.He turned down, Splash and an officer and a gentleman.He just made those movies.He's fine.We'd be talking about a different career.
41:17He just didn't make those movies.And you think about this.Offer Turner and a gentleman is not Richard Geer's movie.It's Deborah Winger and Lou Gossett's movie.Yeah, definitely.It's that songs movie.Richard Gear is fundamentally,and I haven't listened to y'all talk about American Gigolo yet,
41:39I'm looking forward to it.There's a void in Richard Gear.Oh, I think that's part of his sort of, that's his pitch.Until internal affairs.Yeah.Right.Then he's incredibly present.Yeah.
41:52The look that Chris and Bill just shared,for those of you cannot see.We're certainly.No.That was magic.I think maybe naughty gear,November next yearFinal Fear
42:02Internal AffairsYear AprilYeahI got nowhere else to goCouldn't get my legs upYou're rightVacant BeautyI think that if Travolta
42:16Those are differentLike imagine urban cowboyWith Richard GearI think he could have done the Scott Glenn partYesYeahBut he could not have doneWe're in the corner
42:30We like when Richard Gereis a scumbag who might fuck anybody's wife.He only works as like something villainous.Like think about Chicago, right?The most fun he has ever had in a movie.And that character is a protagonist, but like, he's a scumbag.So he gets Mark, so Travolta gets marked and corrected a little by Richard Gear, by Hanks.Yeah.
42:52And eventually by Costner, because no way out as a movie he would have been in.Yeah, there's a world in which, like, Travolta could be in Field of Dreams.You know what I mean?Yeah.Wow, that would have been amazing.I think so.I mean, I guess it's movies go on.I buy that.
43:07He could not have done Bull Durham, but I think he could have done Field of Dreams.Wait a minute.I think he could have done Bull Durham not Field of Dreams.I wouldn't have to have him.Because the character.You'd have to tell.You could have hit him as the catcher because he had the equipment on him.They hit Janssy Rattley and from over the game.
43:22He doesn't really look like a guy who grew up playing baseball.I don't know.They're just, that seems like there's basketball.He's very live.He's dancerly.Did he look like a guy who?is going to be able to put togethera piece of sound?
43:34Wait, how about this?But he looks like a guy from Philadelphia.That's fair.What about Travolta and Die Hard?A hundred percent.I think he could have to be able to do that.That was probably his miss was notjumping on some sort of cool action
43:47movie in that 86to 88 range.He clearly was relished it when he got backin the 90s and we had a bunch of them.Yeah.I mean, I think the thing, again,I just want to say that he made twohe made two mistakes
43:59in not taking officers.gentleman in splash.Well, you should take an American jiggle out too.That was a mistake.I would have rather seen him do that than Urban Cowboy.Because that movie, the movie itself has so many problems that I don't know.The movie didn't want what Travolta would have given it.I think that that would have been an unhappy alliance.
44:21Because Schrader isn't interested in stardom.He's just not.He wants voids to hang all his ideas on.Richard Gere is a great mannequin for a director with ideas.Yeah.Travolta is his own thing,and you can hang ideas off of him,but he's got his own idea.
44:36Yeah, that's why blowouts,to me,a better movie than American Jigolo is.A way better movie, right?It's a great one.It's the combination of De Palma's intellectualkind of engagement with the material,and Travolta being like,
44:47that's cool, they're going to be watching me.Yeah.Right, yeah.Because, you know, think about,like, the thing that really drew me inwith this blowout performance,with this blowout performance,is that a lot of the things
44:59that Travolta has to sayaren't very deep or meaningful.But his line readings,I don't even know if he was shown a script.I don't know if the words were whispered to himbefore he said them,but he is in every moment.Every one of my rewatchable scenes,
45:15I have like a little side notethat's like,and then he does this,which I don't even know if it's in the script.I love when he's being questionedafter he saves her in a house.Yes, that sequence.That sequence.
45:24Because it's all,it's every single one of these scenes.It's just like he's so fucking good.It's one of the greatestI don't even know what to call.He's like, are you fucking kidding me?Right, yeah.He's so, what are we doing here?
45:35He's so present.The way he's, the way he's, you know what the line is?It's like, when he's like, who are you?Right.Because the guy's like, look, we're going to have to fucking, you're just going to have tolike forget this girl exists.He's like, who are you?You know what I mean?
45:50Like, you're this guy in a suit and it talks.I'm in the ER.I was in the bottom of a creek and now you're telling.And you buy it so much.You buy it.He's so.in the moment in every single scene in this movie.It's a not really remake, but inspired by,
46:07his 1966 blow-up?Yep.What do you call those when it's like a...It's like a reimagining.It's an inspiration.It's an homage.I mean, it's literally shifting the idea from the eye to the ear.You know, that's what he's doing.
46:23It's also a way better movie than blow up.Yeah, but I think it's a good example of like what a movie like blow up.does is it just influences an entiregeneration of filmmakers, right? And that's why it's amovie that is considered legendary is because peoplepulled so many ideas out of that movie,even if re-watching that movie is not necessarily theNo, they got everything that we need to know about
46:41blow up is it knows somebody else's movie. We don'thave to go back to it. Do you want70 seconds on Tama'srelationship with guilt in movies?Yes.We did that quick. Just the top of your head.Jukebox A3.Oh, Sean.
46:55Yeah, Joe Box A3.Um.I don't know. I'm not sure that I'm like as hung up on that theme with him, honestly, because he's like a guy who grew up watching his father literally like cut people up as a surgeon. And so he's like, the world is full of blood and messiness and like shattered bone. And it's tough out there, you know? And people make mistakes and we should show what those mistakes are. And that's why his movies are very grim and gruesome and very physical.and he obviously is obsessed with Hitchcock,and that's well known if you're a fan of his work.But I think he is,he makes it a point to say,I can go even further than what Hitch did.
47:40I can show you even more than what he did.As far as the guilt goes,I don't know,I just think he's like the ultimate cynic.You know, like,especially if you look at his moviesin the last 20 years.Like, they're all just like,
47:50America is garbage,marriage is a lie,you know, like,people just want to fucking murder each other.People are disgusting.I mean,he has a war.Why are we?
47:59He's just like, he made Scarface.He's just like, all power is corrupting.People are bad.Like, you know, I agree.Right.So I just find all that stuff really resonates with me.But the thing about De Palma is that makes him different from all these other directors.Maybe not the ones in his class from the 70s.
48:21But all the directors who inspired him is that he's essentialist.Right.Oh, like, well, I would say for all of the De Palma platform,about the sort of corruption and depravity of the world,he's like, but you know what's good?Movies.Yeah.Well, also women.
48:36Yeah.Like, sex.I'm super into hot girls.Like, he'll say that to this day.Yeah.But it's not just for their own sake, right?He's a, like, think about the way blowout opens.Right?
48:47It's got that great fake out.Right.Go ahead frenzy?Where you think you're watching like Halloween.It looks like Black Christmas.Yeah.It looks like it's a slasher movie.And it's a slightly ridiculous.
48:59slasher movie is those movies were.I mean, he really understands the kind oflike comic cadence of thoseslasher films. He's like, don't lump me inwith these people a little bit. Oh, yeah. I meancarry, but I don't make these movies. Right, yeah.Let's be, let's make no mistake.Right. But he's almost like if I did,
49:15they'd be really good.He's like, check out thisfucking steady cam shot. I got you.Yeah. This is good enoughto convince you that I made this.Every time I start blow out, I'm like,does co-it frenzy exist? Can I get that?Or what?
49:30It's really solid.Yeah.But the thing that, the, the, the way that opens with the, with the knife being in theframe and like, you know, he's kind of like, you know, first, first person player game,whatever, like around the corner.The POV shot, yeah.There is an interest there not only in the bait and switch, but there's a pleasure inin slipping on the clothing of a shitty trash movie.
49:58Yeah.Right.And then to like say, psych, I'm taking off my Halloween costume now and I'm going to be this other kind of movie that is also like its own work of trash.Right.And I think the difference between someone like Hitchcock who also was interested, who had the same priorities.But he, De Palma is a voluptuary, right?Like he wants to inhabit the forbidden pleasure.The luxury.
50:23Right.First time we've heard that word.Is that a word?It's a fucking Harvard.It's a hell of word.Dropping his Harvard on it.So I went to the other oneSo just to be like just to end this
50:35I think that there's somethingLike I really love something like carryYou know the way it indulges theThe filmmaking indulges the horror rightYeah it's not like this bad thing happens to this girlThe blood falls from the you knowAnd then she goes home and her mother gives it likeThe fight at the end of that movie
50:53And the like the craftsmanship in the delivery of the fightthe fury.Like, this is a person who loves, who takes great pleasure in the surgery, right?And, like, he loves.He's blowing John Cassavetti's head up at the end of the fury.He's like, let's splatter everything.Yeah.It's great.
51:12I just, that is the fun of him.The De Niro at the, in the Untouchables, both the Odessa step sequence in the train stationand, you know, the baseball bat sequence, right?Like, all the pleasure that's taken in the violence and in the suspense.Can we litigate the Oscars in 1980?too.Oh, boy.Chariots of Fire wins.
51:31Yep.Other nominees were Atlantic City on Golden Pond,Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Reds.Pretty good year.Yeah.Pretty good year.Maybe you bump Atlantic City, butBurntland Castor had a lot of...
51:45It's a great movie.That's a really good movie.I don't know.The other three aren't getting bumped.No.Actually, probably Charite's a fire is probably the weekends,but that movie is a phenomenon.Cherrys of Fire overrots is trash.
51:57The cat's got to be fucking kidding meThat movie was a thingYeah, it wasI was old enough to rememberIt was a thingYeahIt was like clearly gonna win the last yearYeah no I remember that
52:07I rememberSo we would all bump chariots of fireIf we had to do that over againYeahI don't like on Golden PondPersonally that's not a movie I careYeah both of thoseIt's a very sudden have a heart
52:17I don't I don'tHave you watched it in Golden Pond recently?It's a great oneIt's about people get on itStop it's goodI'm oldI would be thrilledNo no no
52:26I mean on Golden Pinesis such alike,like,it's such asleeping pill.Yeah.I watched it
52:34six months ago.I couldn't believe it.I found it andCatherine Hepburn.I get it.Come on.But like,it's,
52:39best director.It looks great.But it's,Warren Beatty wins for Reds.Mm-hmm.Louis Malle.Louis Malle.Louis Malle.
52:49Louis Malle.It's not Mali.He's French.Louis Malle.Yeah.Louis Moll.Hugh Huff.That was hot.
53:04Mark Raddell on Golden Pond.Whoa.Steve Spielberg.Steve.I forgot Mark Roddell was nominated for Best Director.Over Mark.This is the best directed movie of 1981.Raiders of the Lost Star.
53:19Okay.The one and a half best directed movie.They're right there.They're neck and neck.And they're the ones, you know,I think Reds has kind of endured,but most people don't actually watch itbecause it's so long.
53:28It's a feat.It's a feat.It's a feat.It's a feat.But look.Wait, so we're bumping Reddell.Oh, for sure.DeFama's in there.
53:36And Hugh Hudson, I wouldn't mind seeing him go either.I agree.Best actor, Henry Fonda on Golden Pond.Yes.Warren Beatty Reds.Lancaster, Atlantic City.Dudley Moore and Arthur.Yes, that's a no-brainer.
53:52Paul Newman, absence of malice.Oh, yeah.That's good.Gallagher!I can't believe you, Gallagher.I can't believe you set me help.Who are we bumping from that?For Tramota.
54:04Sidney Pollock is another name.Oh, Henry Fonda.He made a lot of movies like this too.Yeah, I mean, Henry Fonda.But that's because Henry Fonda had never won.So, Henry Fonda won at the end of the jury.Yeah, you're right.I mean, from the people that are.
54:17Henry Fonda.Henry Fonda.Sorry.Henry Fonda is a fucking incredible actor,and it should have won like multiple times.Beside the point.Yeah.They finished film in the movie and he just dropped out of the deck.
54:29But Bill, if you're going to start doing that,you got to do it.Every time we do these weird Oscar conversations,we're acting like we're actually changing the Oscars.And you got to start giving all these old guys, they're Oscars.Because sometimes you'll be like, this fucking guy, he's 72, who cares?And now you're like, Henry Fonda's substack writer.Oh, boy.
54:48Are you bumping?That's a great performance.He's so good.That movie is so bad, by the way.It's just not a good movie.If you watched that recently, he could.Did he get nominated for the version?It's not very sensitive to the modern conventions of journalism.
55:00Or women who practice it.I mean, Sally Field, first of all, I don't believe Sally Field has ever smoked anything.And all she...I don't remember that.She's smoking this movie.She smokes more than he does.It's such a weird movie.It's a really messy story.
55:16Yeah.That's what he was nominated.18 million dollar budget made 13 million.18 million dollars.Coming off of Dress the Kill being a smash.Massive hit.The master of the macabre and him.getting that, you know, becoming a well-known, really well-known director at that point, too.
55:33Reinvented Angie Dickinson.But why do we think it didn't do well?I think it's because of what Bill said.It's just like, you walk out of the movie here and you're like, fuck me.This is brutal.I mean, it's so sad.Well, I'll give you some reviews.Okay.
55:46Roger Ebert, four stars.Hell yeah.Derouad is inhabited by a real cinematic intelligence.The audience is in condescended to.We share the excitement of figuring out how things develop and unfold when so often the moviesonly need us as passive witnesses.The two, the, the Siskel and Ebert ofthis movie is just nine minutes
56:06of these guys just being like,for horn dogs, this movie rules.It's one of the great Pauline Kale raves of all time.Pauline Kale has, yeah, yep, yep.De Palme has sprung to the placethat Robert Autman achieved the films such asMcCabe and Mrs. Miller in Nashville.And that Francis Ford Coppola
56:25reached with the Godfather films,the place where genres transatlantictranscended.And what we're moved byis an artist's vision.It's a great movie.Travolta and Alan are radiantperformers.
56:39She liked it.Nancy Allen hasn't come up yet.We'll get there.Well, we're getting there. Okay. All right.Let's, uh, one more break.We'll do the categories.This podcast is brought to you by Carvana.Selling your car should feel like one
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57:25The car accident, as he's doing this sound, the owl under the bridge.Oh, I should have put the co-ed frenzy.The first five minutes of this movie and the first five minutes of Goodfellas are my two favorite openings.Wow.Yeah.And it's the same setup where it's like a scene and then like a real powerful title sequence.And this going from Code Frenzy to the editing booth to blow out.Yeah.
57:52Again, another great title sequence.Like when like dear filmmakers of 2020, if you're making a movie.Feel free.And you've got a decent title.Give it to me.Bring your title on me.Cover me with your title.Co-in Frenzy also won a bonus award for the Dracula
58:12The Musical Award for Best Invitations of Real Art.That's a good winner.Also, some great fake titles, the posters in the office.I want to do that later.I want to do like all the...Can I just do it now?Yeah, sure. Okay.Bloodbath?
58:29Yeah. Bloodbath too.Yeah. Bad day at blood.Blood Beach, Bordella of Blood and Coed Frenzy.All, let's think about this.All those films in two years.What a prodigious output.Yeah.Oh, yeah.
58:43Philadelphia Slee's House.I would have probably enjoyed all of those movies.There's also all the posters on the wall.We haven't even mentioned those.There's 10 more movies that they have created fake posters for.There's a great stuff.When they're doing the girls auditioning the screams,one of the posters behind is the lure of the triangle,
58:59and it's just the front of someone's underwear.Yeah.Wow.Yeah.Yeah, also, there's a thing that we have not discussed yet, and I don't know when we bring this up, because we're kind of in the different...Well, why don't you let me host the podcast?You don't even know what I was going to say.But I'll find it in a way to jam it in there.
59:16You'll have your spot.Hey, Billy, what's the next rewatchable scene, bud?Car accident.The owl.Yeah.Jesus Christ.The guy under the bridge, you're like, wait, was that a guy moving?I just noticed him for the first time on this viewing, and it's the 13th.
59:42team time I watch this movie.He's at the bottom and he goes up.TVs are better and the prints are betterand you can actually see better shit now.It's Franz, right?Yeah, yeah.Mani Corp.The car accident's great.
59:55Obvious Chappaquitic ripoff.Chappaquitic, one of the most fascinatingevents of the last 50 plus years.Where's the chapquitic pod?For the movie?No, for you.Three hours about Chappaquatic.I don't even know, is there a pod to be had?
01:00:10Like, he drove off a bridge andkilled a girl and swam away.Is there even a conspiracy?No.But just to tell the story.It's a great what if.Yeah.Yeah.
01:00:20It's a great what if.Because it's, you know, that effectively ends his national political profile.Here's the counter to the what if.If it wasn't that night, it was going to be another night.I think for all mankind, I think Chapman doesn't happen.Actually.If what?In for all mankind that show Chapchap.
01:00:38It doesn't happen.Yeah.And he's like, I think he's president.If I remember correctly.Oh, interesting.Who do you have McRey and?Ted Kennedy if you had to throw your way.So is McRyons supposed to be McGovern?
01:00:47Like who, like is, is there like a parallel or?It's 1980 McRyron, so it's probably, I don't know.It feels like just Ted Kennedy 10 years later.Okay.Yeah.Hospital, McRyans guy tells us for both to keep his mouth shut.I don't know.Can't you keep your mouth shut?
01:01:07It's better the governor died alone.I just don't know if I can do that.I mean, I was there.there and...Gives a damn that you were there!You want to tell his wife that he died with his hand up some girl's dress?Maybe you'd rather she read it in the papers.Well, that is what happened. I mean, that is the truth, isn't it?
01:01:27What difference does that make to you?You want to tell his wife that he died with his hand up some girl's dress?Love the 70s, right? That's just how they explain stuff?It's also just like...It's like, yeah, I don't want that. Yeah, let's just cover it up instead. We don't want hiswife to find out.I wonder if they would have gone to greater lengthsto muzzle him in real life.
01:01:49I think he probablyhe gets it. There's no movie.I think his car probably blows up.Wesley mentioned Travolta cutting the photosand turning into a homemade video. That's such a cool.The making the film strip. Oh my God.It's just so cool.I also like when he makes the
01:02:06actual shooting video, which I guess isa separate scene from that, but thosetwo together kind of likeYou mentioned the spinning shot when the tapes are erased.Just a heat check back to...I'm levitating when I watch it.He's taking threes from 36 feet.And all of the reels are going around and around and around in the room
01:02:26and the camera is going around and around and aroundand your head is spinning.You're just literally.It's also a sound...You're dizzy.Yeah.It's such a brilliant, like Chris was saying,such a brilliant idea for an idea in your movie.
01:02:37Mm-hmm.Mm-hmm.This isn't necessarily re-watchable,but it's a really cool scene.when Lithgow murders the hooker on the train.It's definitely rewatchable.Yeah.I mean, it's not fun to watch John Lithgow kill somebody,
01:02:50but it's just like so well-crafted.It's special resonance for this half of the table, though,because it goes to the gallery and terminal market.It's really, I mean, also.They hang her a jersey over the stall, or no?Oh, my God.Wow.It's like a direct sequel to a lot of the stuff in Dress the Kill, too.
01:03:09Yeah.You know, the sort of pursuit of the victim.He loves, yeah, he loves the follow.Yeah, yeah.Because then in the De Palma documentary,because I love Body Double, probably more than most,but he's following Deborah Shelton in the mall for like an hour.That's a long sequence.
01:03:26He's like, oh, now it's Spencer Gifts.Yeah, yeah.Cool, we're at Macy's.It just never ends.Yeah, there's, I mean, again, he's just like,the sensual, the sensualist in him,sometimes there's a line that he is trying,he wants to cross him.
01:03:42It used to, yeah.Full-fledged horny voyer.I was going to say, I feel like it's beyond sensual.You know, Centro.That's the closing of the line, right?Like, De Palma is like, I want to fuck this woman on camera.It's through it.He's a boy.
01:03:55He's a boy.Well, that's the body double, the fact that he really wanted to cast the Net Haven.In Body Double, yeah.As Holly Body and Body Double in the studio, basically, they all had to like have an intervention.We're not fucking making the movie.You have to get a real actress.It's not fucking happening.But then it turns into the best thing that ever happened to Melanie Griffith.
01:04:16And it's just scene after scene of just her being ogled through a fucking window.But she knows she's being watched, which is what makes that performance so good.That movie's amazing.Two more, the extended Nancy Allen kind of getting murdered scene.Jack going through America, right?There's fireworks.It's department store windows.He's in Philly.
01:05:00He's in middle everything.It's this person just getting murdered.And we get fireworks.Yeah, it's the ringing of the Liberty Bell.The Ring of the Liberty Bell.It's Liberty Day.This patriotic event.It's based on something that they did for the bicentennial.
01:05:13So that's the,and I feel like that is really important to go back to what we're talking aboutthe 70s is it just feels like a movie set in 1976.Yeah.It doesn't feel like a movie set in 1981.And it feels like it's the bicentennial celebration is what's happening.You know, it's like the Mummers Parade is earlier.in the film, but it feels like he's pulling it on something that happened in the past
01:05:32to set this sequence, as opposed to something that's happening in the contemporary time.And then the ending.It's a good scream.It's a good scream.It's a good scream.Well, that was what I wanted to mention.Go.Bill.
01:05:59Yeah.I knew we'd get there.It's just...Have faith in the host sometimes.Like, I...Nothing but faith in you, Bill.This movie tells you what.it is in the first
01:06:11I mean I might start crying is howlike good this isit tells youthis is a movie about a guywho's just trying to get the perfect screenand we as an audience know thatlike the other jokein that opening sequence
01:06:26is like the way we knowwe're watching a movie likefootage from a movieis not when they cutthe Travolta and the directorin the in thestudio or in thetheater talking about what needs to be fixed, it's when we hear a scream that we in the audience know,
01:06:46oh my God.What?That's not going to work.That is a song.And so this is a guy who is out looking for a scream.The perfect scream.And he gets it.And he seems to forget that he's looking for it.
01:07:05And I think that the, there's just something so.perversely moving inin the in the rightnessof that endingand likealthough some people would say that'spretty gross that he used thedead lady scream
01:07:21I'm not one of those peoplenot in this world thoughyeah not in this worldI think it's like asends the message that he has been likefully obliteratedyeah yes you knowbecause his whole point is like
01:07:34if they can do this then what likewhat's the point of anythingyeah so at the endhe's just like, I've been destroyed, so I'm going to usethis thing that happened. I'm dead inside anyway.Which are your most rewatchable scenes here?I think probablythe 30th Street Station,
01:07:49the whole sequence of him, of BurkeThe Philly and you. You love it.Burt killing the quote-unquote wrong girl again.Yeah.I have a lot of points about that.And then him finallytaking Sally and Travoltalistening to the whole thing, trying to find them.
01:08:03Yeah, the moment that he seesSally on the buildingand she is exclaiming, and then we see himracing in slow motion to get up to the top of the building and then all the way upuntil her death, Lithgow's death, holding her arms as the fireworks are going off.And then the cut, hard cut to the theater is like all world, like all century movie making for me.The Pino DiNaggio score is unbelievable in that sequence.That's like take your breath away.
01:08:32Like, holy shit.That's the only time the music is really working for me is that sequence.Yeah.That's the, that's the high point in that sequence.score. I like my mostrewatchable is when he cuts the photosand makes the video just watching the process. I enjoy thatthe most. What do you got was? Same. Same.
01:09:00What stage is the best. We mentioned Travolta right before he gets80s weird. It's kind of the end of asome sort of era with him starting withWelcome Back Cotter all the way through blowout. This endsera number one for John Trowto. The scene where he takes Sally to the barwhen he stops her from getting on the train and he's like come Icome have a drink with me. You're like this guy is pretty fucking cool.Yeah.
01:09:22And he's like letting her do the makeup and he's just like, I'm flirting with her and stuff.Like, it's awesome.You're just like, this is, and that is also a guy where you be, if you were in a bar, you wouldn't be like, what's this guy doing here?He's just, it seems like a guy having a beer at 4 in the afternoon in a Trin Station bar.Yeah.I have, we mentioned movie characters who are world class at unique jobs.It's a fucking favorite.Yeah.
01:09:43C.R., this one's for you.What's age the best?The days when someone could threaten to go on the local news.Oh.Yeah.I'll do it.I'll fucking go.I'll go on the 6 o'clock.
01:09:55I'll tell the whole fucking world.Now it's like you could do that and nobody would find out for three days unless there was also a car chase.Or you just tweet it out.My mom's like, car chase, channel 5.I have some questions about Frank Donahue that I'll hold.Yeah, yeah.What's age the best?Early 80s Philly.
01:10:12Yeah.It's great stuff.Great times.Yeah.I mean.Got Rocky Balbo in his prime.Michael Jack Schmidt.Yeah.
01:10:20Well, Doc.Yeah.Ron Jaworski and Diffra.It's a great looking city.Reggie White right around the corner.The flyers still banging.Yeah.Then they go all over in this.
01:10:29They go up to West Hickon Creek.They go to Pennsylvania.Elton John, Philadelphia Freedom.He's all, well, we'll go.I mean, I think the thing that I love about this movie is that it really, it's just, it's got a sense of place and the place happens to be Philadelphia.Right?The idea that it's like 30th Street Station, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's got a sense of place,Reading Terminal and that like the action is set there like
01:10:54Something weird takes an ice pit from the fishRight from the yeahProbably my family's fish place yeahLike there's two fish places there nowI feel about the townI don't know what there's the thing if you knowThe Redding Terminal Market when they walk in you know exactly what I've seenSmells like the other other thing is there's no cheating
01:11:15Like all the matches on action like result in you being in the place you would bewhen the cut happens for whatit's worth. You guys probably don't care, but like when hewalks out, it's like, yeah, that's the outside of the train station.It's not like he walks out and he's like all of a sudden downtown.The way they treat Los Angeles where it's just cut up into a million different piecesto suit whatever the plot needs.Expect nothing less from De Palma.
01:11:35The city is dictating the action.Not like Michael Mann playing the action.It was getting from the airport to downtown in 20 minutes.Honestly, great point.Thank you for saying so.You being the Michael Mann-Legian on this podcast.What's taste your best?Early France?
01:11:49Early.Can't be beat.I mean, he's literally just running back the character from Dresna, France, France.Just also, just like, you can't, you could take like a can of turpentine.You couldn't strip the Chicago of that guy.Let me tell you something.Another thing about me, I have like very high quality film stock.They do a lot of shooting at night.
01:12:08A lot of night work.What saves the best?Manny Carp.What a name.Sean, the split-focused diopter lens?The split diopter, yeah.Yeah.What about it?
01:12:18It's a fucking amazing tool that he uses better than anybody.How about De Palma's love for putting fake movies and his real movies?Yeah, it's great.I still think the body double, Frankie goes to Hollywood.It's just like such an all-time flex.That's deep, too.I mean, he's like music videos.People like those.
01:12:37What if I made a music video that was also a porno?He's like, what if I make a music video that's better than all the music videos?You idiots are watching on TV.And all the porn that you're watching too, right?He's great.You guys are making me love him even more.I have another What's Age the Best, but it's an award.the Chess Rockwell Award for great names.
01:12:54Governor George McReyn.Great name.That's really good.I'd be so fired up if I'd just thought of that name if I was writing a script.What if in 24 we'd just like set up a fake candidate named George McRyne?Do you think he'd get like 30%?What if you were Chris McReyn instead of Chris Ryan?I could be president.
01:13:14Chris McRey.You could be president.I would take Charles Palantynexie Driver over George McReynoyan.Ryan.Palatinesounds too muchlike Palpatinethough.
01:13:24This all seemspurposefuldoesn't it?What otherwhat stagethe bestyou have anything?So I got
01:13:28just the copsayingsave your paranoiafor publictelevision.I love that.Then theabsolute
01:13:36peak sickomoment of thisentire movieis whenyou knowJack's runningaround like crazyso he's not
01:13:41overseeing theoverdubbingthe ADR workthat's going onon co-ed frenzybut there isthe one recordingsession where
01:13:48one of the girlsis named Bettyit's the brunetteand the blondeand the director has them change places.He's like, okay, now you pull her hair while she screams.And the brunette while she's pulling the blonde's hairturns to the camera and just gives this smile like,
01:14:01and I'm like, Brian, you absolute fucking sicko.You're perfect.Because she's like, you're into this, I'm into this.And it's like, oh my God, what's going on?He literally has the director character say,I didn't hire her for her scream, Jack.I hired her for her tits.Brian DePaul is the director of this movie.
01:14:19Come on.I had that as best quoteSo we don't have to do that nowAny other ones say it's the best, Chris?JustThis is cornyBut like the below the line talentOf Vilma Sigmund,
01:14:32Paul Hirsch and Paul SilbertIf you go through theirWikipedia's,but specifically for Silbert and HirschPaul Silbert,the production designer,goes,Heaven can wait hardcore Kramer
01:14:42versus Kramer blowoutin three years.What a life.And Paul Hirsch doesThe FuryEmpire Strikes Back blowoutin creep show in three years.Wow.
01:14:52You had to throw creep show in there.Anyone stage the best for you, Sean,that we didn't cover?I just think everybody is completelyonline and convinced ofmass political conspiracy.And that's kind of what this movieis about.
01:15:07It's about the way that gets in your bloodand you can't get it out.I mean, QAnon is just a millionJohn Travolta's just like, I know the truth.I know the truth and I will find it outand I will pursue it to the end of the earth.So he's think Kyrie would have beenall over this governor, McReyan?
01:15:19We should remake this film with Kyrie.Cairois-R-Travota.Anyone say,the best for you, Wesley?I think the filmmaking.I think just the filmmaking.Just the use of splitting the screen.Why do we get away from that?
01:15:33What happened to split-screens?We're just like,we need to leave green screen behindand go back to split-screen.I mean, I don't know about you guys,but I don't know if this ever happened to youwhen you watch this movie,but that slow-mo shot of the owl,
01:15:48which you don't even think about,the first time you see it.Yeah.So good.Then when he gives it to you and the owl is like,wah!I, my heart leaps out of my chest every single time.It is, it's just an owl.
01:16:06But it's due, like, he heard something that can do that.Mm-hmm.Right?It's just, uh.So that's a great shot, Gordo.The spinning shot, I think, wins.But the fireworks, Dead Sally's pretty amazing.Yeah.
01:16:21There's like, this whole movie's a great check order.The Mallory Rubin Award, did this movie need a better sex scene?I'm going to say, yeah.I'm glad there wasn't a sex scene between Manny and Sally.Yeah.Oh, yeah, yeah.What?I might have dialed it up in co-ed frenzy like one more notch.
01:16:43Yeah, the director's cut of co-ed frenzy.Yeah, the director's cut, I feel like.The Denny Thieves Benny Hanna Award,for scene stealing locationwhatever that 30thwhatever the fuck you guys are talking about3rd Street StationDe Palma fucking loves train stations
01:16:58he just the Potemkinshoot out in untouchables30th Street Station also thesetting for the murder and witnessYepYeahYeahLovely train station
01:17:09I mean because it's Grand Centralbut much smallerYeah rightIt's got everything you love about Grand CentralExcept the confusionAnd it's got a great statueAll those peopleYeah I mean there's so many
01:17:20And also, the thing that I love about De Palma in this station is...Sean's like, I'm not going to fucking Philadelphia.Wait, is that what that face is?Yeah, he's fine.It's like...It's like, oh.It's like Worcester with better sports arenas.Come on.
01:17:34I know.I'm just trying to hurt Chris.I don't mean that Chris.No, he's just trying to hurt me.Sean actually hurts me.I just, I can't respect any place to produce Chase Sutley.That's how I feel.All of your friends are from there.
01:17:46Yeah, I know.And I am deeply self-loathing, so read into that way that you can.Chase Utley, that's, what are youagainst Chase Utley?Got another category.He's a vile human being.And he,purposefully sought to hurt players,
01:17:59particularly in Met's players.I'm just going to put that out there.Okay.He should be sent to jail.Don't hold that.There's a lot of things you can hate about Philadelphia,but don't start with that.The Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film.
01:18:14Is this where we talk about Nancy Allen?Why don't you have the floor, Wesley?You need to have the floor.But that is such a bad streakWith the butcher's girlfriendAlways being the girlfriendNo, I didn't have her for thisOh
01:18:29Go onAdd her to another placeSo go onI think Lithgow is just too crazyIn this movieI think that's the pointThat's a great answerI would have doubt it back
01:18:43Like he's like beyond a sociopathAnd I think when you're that much of a sociopathI don't think it's a governorDrivingHis car into the bridgeis what unleashes all the murders.But to me, he's like, A, he must have committed other murders.This is too crazy.
01:19:02B, how does he get hooked up with this whole Governor McRyan world?And I just, I don't know why they made him this crazy.The president's chief of staff had a meeting with this guy.And this guy then was like, I've decided to like improvise what this whole plan is going to be.At first, it was just trap him with a, get pictures of him with a woman that's not his wife.And it turns in this whole other thing.I will say, instead he's like,fucking Ted Bundy.
01:19:27Yeah.What am I thinking?It's just,I don't know why they made the leap to do that.Burke is scratching a different edgewhere he's just like,guys,it turns out I have to be a serial killer
01:19:35to make this convincing.And they're like,what?Whoa.Yeah.Like,that was not in the proposal.I don't know.
01:19:42It just felt like,it felt like they could have gotten therewith Lithgow without also turning thisinto like a serial killer thing.It's just,I thought it was,I'm not against it.I just thought he doubt it up.
01:19:53Where do you stand, Sean?I think he,De Palma loves Lithgowas a maniac. He hashim three times in his movies.First time he's an obsession. Oh,Raising Kane. Raising Kane.He's like... In obsession, he plays the business
01:20:07partnerofCliff Robertson'scharacter who betrays him and engineers this entire kind of likeconspiracy. And that's his firstreal, real, real Hitchcockimitation, his obsession.Not the most successful movie, but interesting movie.
01:20:23Then in this movie, he's a murderous killer.then raising Kane.He's playing multiple parts.I do think though that Burke's plan works.Because at the end of the movie,they're talking about a serial killerwho's been killing women and has now been stoppedand it has nothing to do with McRyne.
01:20:39Yep. Yep.So, okay.What's age the worst?So you're with me on some of the score.Oh, I don't like the music.It's very like kind of early 80s.They don't know what era.I like the score.
01:20:51It's the one thing that I feel like the control over.I don't.No, there's that one 80s part of the scorewhere it's like,it's like that kind of happy.I don't know if I'm about to watchArthur or blowout.Oh my God.
01:21:07Yeah, so that's what this movie needsis a Christopher Cross song.Yeah, I don't love it until that greatclimax.What stage is the worst?I have one more of What's Age of the Worst?I've got one. Go ahead. Let's hear it.So,
01:21:24We all agree that we love Travolta in this movie.There's nothing wrong with his performance.It's like one of his very, very, very, very best.But this is not his fault.He has to do it because it was in the script, I assume.But at some point when he's telling Nancy Allen that she's got to,she's got to like have a drink with him,I saved your life.
01:21:45The least you could do is have a drink with me.And I wrote next to this, and I have never written this before in my life,but I just wrote, men.Like, what the fuck?Well, do you think that he's just being...She doesn't want to have a drink with you, dude.Step on!Okay, do you think that he really wants to have a date with her,
01:22:08or do you think he's like,I just want to kind of get to the bottom of this whole McRyan situation?It doesn't matter.Then say that.Okay.Say that.Conversely, she doesn't want to have a drink with himbecause she is a part of the conspiracy,
01:22:20not because she doesn't find him appealing.It doesn't matter.And he maybe has sensed that.I say that.your life, the least you could do is have a drink with me.Like, what?Yeah.You know how many times CR has dropped that line in a girl?
01:22:31Yeah.Dozens.All I do is hang out at creeks.Why?I heard about you.And I'm telling you, you've got to knock it off.Yeah, Creek Watch.Not gay.
01:22:41Anyone takes the worst shot?Not really.I mean, it's the ultimate, like, this movie bombed,and then everybody decided it was one of the best movies of the decade.You know, like, it has aged wonderfully in many ways.Just smoking in the E.I think is aged poorly.I always see that.
01:22:58I love smoking everywhere, but sometimes smoking in hospitalsthrows me off.Were you out with smoking these days?You still had a butt lately?I haven't had one for 11 years.Oh, good for you.Well, that's not true.But I haven't enjoyed one for a lot.
01:23:10I personally seen you have one.Sorry.Oh my God, you guys.Chris just asked just to see if you lie.Where my health insurance company is listening to this?Oh, is that riding on?I'm going to save one of my what stage isa worst because there's a better spot.
01:23:23Ron Burgundy flew to where best time for a pee break.When he goes to visit Nancy Allen in the hospital, I'm good with a pee there.Wait, that's like the first 15 minutes in the movie.No, just when she's like kind of dazed from the accident and he's talking.Oh, yeah.What I wanted to ask you for Ron Burgundy is where are you guys at with the flashback sequence?I used to work for the King Commission and then, you know, taped this thing.It's helpful to understand why he did it.
01:23:49I kind of liked it.Okay.Because he really, really, really wanted to make prince of the city.The Sopranos.And he wanted to do a sequenceYou think it created the Soprano.That's good.I actually like that also because it's so stylistically
01:24:01out of character with the rest of the movie.Yeah.But it's not,it doesn't break a fourth wall.It doesn't, like, derail the trajectoryof everything else.It's just a great little, like,cul-de-sac to go down
01:24:13and then turn around and come back.That would also have been an incredible Travolta,as Travolta as Danny in Prince of the City.Also, you would have been great.You need to know,I also think it's importantbecausethis is a person who
01:24:27officially has twotraumatic sound recordingor sound orientedincidents, right? The one isthis one, so you know that there are some stakesfor things going wrong, buthe could never in a million years have imaginedlosing her in the way that he does
01:24:44in a job-orientedfashion, right? Where this is going wrongagain, but now this womanwho I'm falling in love with is going to die.because of it.I mean, I don't knowif we're saving thisfor later, questions-wise,
01:24:56but like...You're saving it.All right.Was there a better titlefor this movie?No.No, no.But there was another title
01:25:04for this moviethat changed the personal effects.Oh!Yeah.But that's his office...I like thatthat's on the doorof his office.
01:25:12No, that's bad.That's bad.Stephen A. Smith-HittusTake Award.We kind of did it already,but mine was,I actually thinkthis is Tribaltz's best movie.
01:25:20Like his bestperformance in a movie.Because I would say Saturday Night Fever and he's socharismatic in that, butthat has a couple scenes where you're likeeh, it's pretty young actor here.Like, this isstart to finish.
01:25:35He's just throwing all his pitches.Saturday Night Fever is an energy.Yeah. It's a charisma movie. Right.And this is the energywith craftsmanship. Yeah. I think it'sa great performance. Do you have one show?Are we sure it's not grease?I mean, I'm not like the biggest
01:25:51Greece guy, but I genuinely don'tthink Greece is a phenomenon without him.I think he's irreplaceablein Greece. I mean, but these are differentthings. Yeah, that's different things. We're just talking about thecraft of acting. I thinkhe peaks here. What do you got, Chris?I didn't really have an SAS one.
01:26:07Okay. Can move to cast somewhat ifs unless you have one?No. Keep going.First choice for the role of JackAl Pacino.Oh, wow.I'm not surprised. I like it.Not as good as much, but I like it.
01:26:24Not as good a movie.He would have brought something interesting, obviously.Haunted, much more haunted kind of guy.It's a different movie.It doesn't surprise you in the way.It's more opera than this is.And also the revelation that he had previously largely been responsible for someone's death,you would have felt that the minute you started watching his character.
01:26:45Whereas in this movie, it's kind of effervescent.Oh, yeah.He's kind of friendly.He doesn't carry this.The only thing you think once you learn that is that this, is this one,why he's sort of damned himself to working on Bordello of bloodinstead of trying to do something else.You go to L.A. or do whatever he's going to do.
01:27:02I had coffee with McReyn a half an hour ago.Your anchorman.Played by Dave Roberts.Dave Roberts!Our weatherman!The longtime weatherman.Sexy Dave Roberts, our weatherman.The father of David Boreen.
01:27:21Yes, he is.Is he?Oh, yes, he is.So they just threw the weatherman in there as an actual actor.Dave Robert.Do you make it makes you like it more or less show?Well, that makes it even funnier what I'm going to ask, which is, are we sure FrankDonahue is good at his job?
01:27:36Well, Dave Roberts is just in the beginning of the show.Right.The movie.Yeah.Frank Donahue is not good at his job, but I think as an actor, right?Yes.Yeah.Oh, I see.
01:27:46Dave Roberts is in the beginning.Okay.Dave Roberts, man.Like, Philadelphia.So Kurt May.It's Frank Donnie.Okay.Yeah.
01:27:54Yeah, that guy's not good news.Channel 6.Channel 6.Action news, baby.It's just also so funny to watch, like, early 80s communications where FrankDonnie's just like, can I call you back later?It's like, this story of your life.And you're like, I got to fucking.
01:28:08I got to get a turkey sandwich first and a beer.Ruffalo Hannah Rubenek-Parchish overacting word.They knew, and they let it happen.Don't you call me, lady.I come in here.I give these things to you.Give me, oh, my God.This and me...
01:28:22Give me out of God!I treated you like a son!You fucking stab me in the heart!Fuck you! Fuck you!Nancy Allen, drowsy, post-accident is sympathetic.What do you say when you get out of herewe have a drink sometime, and a glass?Sure.
01:28:41Okay, you take care.How about tonight?No, I don't think so, Sally.Not tonight.But I'll tell you what I do.I'll check with the doctor and see when you get out.Wait a minute.Sal, you really got to stay in bed.
01:28:53I don't like to be absurd.Well, I'm sorry, but there's really nothing I can do.I don't like being absurd.Is this our chance to talk about Nancy?No, we're not there yet.Jesus.The tightness of this ship is really sexy.Best that guy award, the movie's 40 years old, but the guy who plays...
01:29:12It's John McMarton.Yeah, John McMartin.He's an all-time that guy, right?He's the same guy in all the president's been who's like,it's not that all of our sources refuse to go.on the record that bothers me.It's like, but why aren't the New York Times on this story?Yeah.
01:29:26When did we get the inside track?You know?He's really good.Yes.Waiters Award.Dennis Franz is in it too much.And I think Lithgow also might be in a too much.John Aquino.
01:29:36It's the cop.Yeah.Oh, that's good.He's awesome.Fair.Yeah.All right, it's time.Recasting couch.
01:29:43Is this Nancy Allen?Yeah.Okay.Nancy Allen, I'll just say.is a 10 out of 10 in Dress to Kill.Yes.Dynamite in Dress to kill.And I think she's really good in carry.
01:29:58She is good in carry.She's very good to carry.Can we just talk about what Nancy Allen is to Brian De Palma for one second?Yes, because I have, this is the theory I was going to drop on you.Okay.It's the Sandra Locke movie theory.Oh, no.It's when somebody is involved with an actress that they keep putting in their own movies.
01:30:19But I thought he resisted this point.There's a point of diminishing returns.Yeah, he tried to resist in this, but Travolta was the one that pushed for Nancy Allen.Sandra locks in like seven Clint Eastwood movies.And it's like at some point, it's like, hey, Clint, find some new blood, buddy.I mean, new blood, we can start with.Yeah, I mean.He literally did.
01:30:37He had many other wives.I'm just kidding, give you some names.Nancy Allen's fine.And I actually think she gets better as the movie goes along.I think the second half of the movie, she's better than the first.True, yes.But I could give youSusan Sarandon
01:30:54I could give you Deborah Winger.Susan Saraneda in 1981.Sheesh.Wow.I could give you a very young Glenn Closeone year before she doesWarden to Garp.I can give you Jessica Lang.
01:31:06Oh.My question is,this is a great partand I want a little more firepower.No.I think Jessica Lang is the onlyone out of that crewthat could play a dits.
01:31:17You know, like that's,and this character,that's what Chris said to me yesterday.It's like,this character is a dits.She's like a goof, and she also has to play dumb a lot with him at the beginning, because it's all part of this.She has to be this person who's like, even though she's part of this conspiracy is essentially getting manipulated by a guy who sits around watching, well, Brian DePaulman movie.But does she have to be this bunch of a dits?
01:31:35Yeah, a little bit, yeah.Okay.I think also like, yeah, you have to separate the way she is from the, like, she is sedated when you first meet her.And I do think that.I think she's wonderful in that scene.I like that scene, too.I think she's wonderful.And here's the thing about Nancy Allen.
01:31:49And I don't normally do this when I watch people, but I've seen this when I watch actors.But I've watched this movie a bunch of times now.And so I got to look at other stuff while I watched it.And there's the sequence where he, the sequence I mentioned, where he's like, you got to have a drink with me.And they're sitting in a bar.And he is talking about, like, spending more time together.I don't exactly remember what he's trying to get her to do.He's like, you made me miss my train.
01:32:16He's just like, I really want to hang out with this.Yeah.And I watched her eyes in that sequence.And she is really there with him.And like, just thinking about what it would be like to spend a little bit more time with this guy.So you're in on Nancy Allen.Oh, I'm in on her in this movie.Like, those other people that you mentioned, I would not necessarily, there's something a little too, um,
01:32:48there's an intelligence that always comes through with those actors.And it's like a professionalism that is,they can do kind of ditsy if they needed to.Like Jessica Lang did it in Tutsi,but she wasn't a dits in Tutsi, right?She was light.She was light, but she wasn't a dits.This person kind of has to be...
01:33:09I think Sarandon could have done it.She's also, Nancy Allen's from the Bronx.She kind of seems like she could be from Philly.Yeah, I mean, that's the other other thing.She seems like she...Jessica Lang, it's hard to imagine being from Philadelphia.Okay.And I don't know.
01:33:21I just think she's wonderful in this movie.She's an unusual actor.I mean, in the year before,she was nominated for both the Golden Globefor New Star of the Year in a motion picturefor Just a Kill and nominated for worst actress by the Razies.Yep.Like, she was always pretty divisive.
01:33:36The Razies weren't playing back then, though.They not, I mean, they went in on everybody.And that's a crazy take.I mean, you could say that she's like,maybe an unsophisticated actor compared to Al Pacino or something.but I always thought she was a really good screen presence,but her career kind of takes a nosedive after this.She isn't Robocop, but for the most part,
01:33:51she starts doing a lot of genre stuff.It kind of disappears.Margo Kidder?No, again, like, that's a different.Carrie Fisher?Too smart?Yeah, you're naming people who, Nancy Allen is kind of...I'm just trying to think of anyone in this age range.
01:34:02Just think about what she was doingall those De Palma movies.Like, home movie,um,Carrie, like,there's a kind of lightness to her,dress to kill.I mean,
01:34:15she's perfect in this.I just feel like shedressed to killDe Palma, it was a year before.Just find a new actress.I mean, they were married.No, I get it. That's why I called the Sandra Lock Theory.But Bill, but Bill, I also think
01:34:30there might be a world in which he triedand nobody else was right.No, I think Trouvoto insisted onNancy. Because he knew.But he knew. He knew. He knew.And she says the same thing. She's like,Travolta was so supportive of mein Carrie and in my whole career that I really
01:34:46loved being able to do something with him again.Some half-fass internet research.Travolta had insomnia the entire shoot.I was going to talk about his eyes.Yeah, that's why he starts to look tired.Yeah, helps his performance.Yeah, I mean, he looked, he looks washed out.Yeah.
01:35:01Yes.It really helps.This was one of the crazier things we've learned in any movie we've done.That they filmed the whole Liberty Parade sequence.This is incredible.They have two reels of footage.The driver stops at a dunk of donuts, leaves the van.unattended, and the van is stolen, and the footage is never seen again, and they have to return
01:35:22to Philadelphia, and they have to reshoot the entire scene for $750,000.That's where the money went.I was going to say.And Lazzler-CoVas came in and shot the ending because Vilma Sigmund had moved on to anothermovie.Yeah.Stop it.It's true.
01:35:34Wow.I wonder if it's different.I would be very curious, because I would say that the Liberty Day sequence does not feelquite I have a piece with the rest of the film in a lot of ways.I do feel like it's trying really hardto trump the train station sequencebut it feels likealmost out of character
01:35:55the rest of the movie.The actress who screams in the showerwas Missy Clevelandwho's playmate of the month April 1979I know Sean has that issuewasn't alive but you werethe sceneWhy are we descending into this
01:36:10negativity and sniping?The scene where the car goes into the waterrequired the building of a 60 foot long, 15 foot tall dam.Oh, that's why this movie costs so much.And they were environmentalists involved.The Liberty Day Parade, 11 cameras, 1,000 extras, 25 stunt drivers.It's just so, which is wild.And they did it twice.
01:36:32It's crazy that they really do this.But you know what's amazing is the movie does not look like it cost a lot, right?It's got a very subtle expensiveness, I would say.The chase sequence, I think.Yeah.Limited day stuff's expensive.Yeah, yeah, that's fair.I just, like, when you talk about all this stuff, Bill, I'm like, oh, yeah, I see how the budget got to $19 million or whatever.
01:36:54Mani's watching De Palma's first movie on the TV when Sally was in murder all the moment.Apex Mountain.I'm going to say for De Palma's probably dressed to kill where he has the most.Isn't Scarface his Apex?No, but dress to kill, he can basically do anything he wants after that.That movie made a shit lot of money.The other convergence, though, is that George Liddo, who is his producer, became the president of Filmways, the production company of this movie.And that is why this movie got me.
01:37:26Blow out, people didn't love it around town.They love dress to kill.Yeah.But it's, you know, it's bleak.It's not as sexy.Like, it's not the signatures that he had in his previous couple of movies.What did they want him to do instead?Were there other projects that he was with?
01:37:43Well, he wanted to do Prince of the City.Prince of the City.Prince of the City was the movie he wanted to do in the early80s.And the Lumet does it for that.And Lumet was right for it.Right. He was, he would, like, that's a Lumetmovie through and through and through.
01:37:54Yeah. Travolta, no.Nancy Allen,probably not. Lithgow, no.This episode is brought to by the ActiveCash Credit Card from Wells Fargo.That's a mouthful, but that's becauseit packs a lot in.Earn unlimited 2% cash rewards
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01:38:36other than maybe Reagan getting assassinated,and Travolta would have been trailed by paparazzi,and it would have leaked out,and they would have had,Like, just like what happened, the JFK assassination,they shut down that whole hospital.There was weird shit going on.There was, like, secret autopsies happening.
01:38:54And if this guy was really had a chance to be the president.They just have him in a corner of a Philadelphia ER.Like, out of that guy.Like, Ryan, the stiff.And Franz, people are probably murdered.It's a way bigger deal.I just want to say that I just did not know.Yeah.
01:39:13I did.It took me a few times.I thought on the first 11 or 12 times I watched this movie that this guy was just the governor.But that confirms, a gubernatorial candidate.That confirms why it's the signature flaw of the movie is that even in watching it multiple times, you never really put it together because you'd be like, there'd be a bigger deal out of this, right?Yeah.I trust the filmmaking so much that, like, totally this is just like, this is just not that big a deal.Also, Trubota's character, Jack, I just think he makes more copies of the tape.
01:39:43he's already suspicioustime-consuming processyeah because remember at some pointshe's like and what about the film toohe's like I don't have time to do thatlike that you know like remember that he's at his apartmentyeah I don't know I feel like he makes one more tapeI was disappointed that he didn't do the thing
01:40:00where he mails it to himself or like mails it to likehe's like a copy of this will be mailed to the Philadelphia Inquirer at midnightif I'm not heard fromI like that's yeah I was going to say little known fact about the rewatchablesis we do every episode twiceand then we fuse togetherthe best parts of every conversation that we have.I also picking it of just the people that hide stuff in their ceiling with the old ceiling panels.
01:40:21Yeah.Like that's not like the first place people are going to look when they break into a place.You're just going through every panel.Right.This is the old hide the cocaine in the cupboard Goodfellas thing.Yeah.It's like you've got to be a little bit more creative.Yes.
01:40:36Frank Donahue said he's got 8 million people watching every night.Is there 8 million people in Philly?Oh.Jesus Christ, what?How many impossible people are watching local news in Philly?There's three stations.Cherry Hill.They're watching in South Jersey.
01:40:52South Jersey.Everybody?One second.And we do.Oh, wow.It's scrambling for Philly data.It was $1.7 million in 1980 in Philly.But I think the Delaware Valley area.
01:41:05Delco.Okay, there's three channels.Everyone's watching Frank Donoghue.Nobody's watching the other two channels.I don't know.Saddle the fuck down.Frank is my point.Is Frank Donahue good?
01:41:14No.No.He's a scam artist.You're a liar.And he's a product of Philadelphia.You're not talking about Ryan Allen Iverson.I don't care.He's a fictional television reporter.
01:41:25Franz's character,Karp.Why is he in Philly?I just feel like the police have some more questions for him.Yeah.What's going on?Why were you there?Well, they also, so they don't know about him,
01:41:40even though when they show up to the dressmaking office,they find all these pictures where he's been scamming people for years.Yeah.Doesn't matter.Just let that one go.This is a pet peeve of mine in a bunch of different movies that I love, but it gets dark really fast in this movie.Or in daytime, all of a sudden, it's dark.Halloween is the ultimate example of that.
01:42:01Lori's driving with Annie in Halloween, and all of a sudden it's pitch black.You've been away from the East Coast for too long.It's just pitch black in two minutes.Well, fortunately, Congress solved that problem by just making us never have to set our clocks back or forward again.Travoltarecovers from a concussionabout as wellI mean if Tua had recovered that well
01:42:21you would have come backat the second halfknocked out coldfrom a car accidentjust hops out of the ambulancethat car accident is just likethis guy drove through a paradeand they're like well you can go
01:42:34rightthat's star power peoplethat is star powerlook at the waviness in his hairhe must be going somewhere importantis it possibleVolta dies in the car accident and then the rest of the movies imagine.I have thought about this.
01:42:48It's so funny.Is that a theory?I just made it up.That's my number one least favorite, like, I just...Top Gun Maverick?Have a little fun.Come on, Wesley.Have a laugh with us.
01:42:58We're doing a podcast.No, thank you.Maverick did die in the beginning.And the first time.You guys stop it.I don't want to hear it.It's a death dream.It's a death dream.
01:43:06Like, do you guys really think this movie is that interesting to have a death dream?No.It's not.Please talk about.Maverick or blowout?Maverick?No, there's no way that...No! No!
01:43:19You can't fly Mach 10 and get ejected from the plane and survive Wesley.As you know, all Great Ark can support multiple readings.That's a wonderful reading of Maverick.Watch a lot of YouTube videos.There's no way he gets out of that first plane.No.No way.His body disintegrates.
01:43:32He turns into...I can't listen to this.I can't listen to this.I can't listen to this.I can't listen to this.That is like Mach 9.Any other nitpicks before we move on?All right.
01:43:46Sequel Prequel Prestige TVAll Black Cast or Untouchable?Is our next category?All Black Cast would be pretty fun.I was about to say all black cast.In Philly.All Black Castes.I'm going Prestige TV, 2022.
01:44:00I think I would watch this.But I would want a whole lot more McRyan stuff.Yeah.We'd have to really go into government of Ryan.And you know, you could have a lot of funto Wesley's point earlier in the pod,there's a lot of fun to be hadwith like the relentless amount of photo taking
01:44:16and videoing that people do with their phones.I think I would watch this.All of a sudden in the back of my IG reel.David Fincher, let's go.Let's bring it to him.No.No.Why not?
01:44:25Because it needs to be fun.Does it?This movie is fun.I just feel like in the same waythat he reiterated on sevenwith Mine Hunter,there's something to be done here too.And this is very fight club in a way too.
01:44:39I don't, I don't disagree.I just feel likealso,but the thing that makes it greatis the depalmaness of it.There's so much signature filmmaking here.The department does it.He can't do it now.
01:44:52What's his last movie you did?It wasn't passion.He made something after that.I can't recall.He made something just a couple of years.Oh, he made somethingthat got really cut up.Okay.
01:45:03And distorted.I can't remember the name of the movie right now.Is this movie better withWayne Jenkins, Danny Trao,Catherine Hahn,Steve Bushmi, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, or Philip Baker Hall?I see Philip Baker Hall and Steve Bishamie in this in some other world.I want to give you Wayne, and I gave you Wayne for cruising, but it's hard for me to find a place for Wayne in this movie.
01:45:23I don't think he has a way. What are you talking about? He's the cop. He's a cop who doesn't believe him.He was like, why are you telling me this? That is Wayne. I also think J.T. Walsh as Mani would be a lot of fun.Yeah. I think Catherine Hahn. God damn, Jack.I didn't know what I was with fucking ass.I think Catherine Hahn would be a good...Oh, good Nancy?Good Nancy.Oh, yeah.
01:45:54Catherine Hahn could do it.We were reaching into the period, but I think we have to leave...Burnthol and Han blowout remake.Oh.What, do we think, burn...Are we, like, so in on Bernthal?Careful.No!
01:46:08Careful.Welcome to the rewatching.You be careful.I just...You're a guest in.this house.I just want to offer.I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
01:46:18I just want to offer.I think Bernthal is a sexymotherfucker who can also act.I'm just asking the two of youand you, Sean, but apparently,especially these things.What are you trying to say?Are we at the point with him
01:46:35where we thinkthat the way we talked aboutTravolta being able tolike do every movie that we sawthe 1980s, imagine him in Steakout.Bernthal and Splash.Stakeout? Yeah. That's a good movie.Yeah, it's a good movie. I love Steakout.
01:46:51Yeah.Berthaw shouldn't have done American Jiglo, and he shouldn't have done that terribleLena Dunn movie. I support all his other choices.You guys just reacted when Wesley wentoff on that, the same way that, like,Sylvia and Big Pussy would go off when AJ Jr. says somethingterrible to Tony, they're like,No!
01:47:09Oh!I love.John Bernthal.All I'm saying is...That's our guy.Chris watches offhis YouTube podcast.Yeah.
01:47:19Real ones with John Bernthal?Yep.When will you be invitedon that show?I'm waiting.Wait, I'm sorry, what?He has a podcast.He's a podcast.
01:47:27Yeah.Call real ones?What's that about?Check it out.He has real conversations.Yeah.He's actually, it's good.It is good, Jeff.
01:47:37Just one Oscar who gets at the Palma.Oh, yeah.Probably in answerable questions.Should Philly havea Liberty Day.Massachusetts has Patriot Day.They do a really, really big July4th there. So a huge concert on the
01:47:53Parkway there. So July 4th, I think, iskind of like steps in for Liberty Day in a lotof ways. That's everybody has July 4th.Like, we have Patriots Day. We get the Boston Marathon.That's where Liberty and Freedomwere born. I just want to read you something.I'm all for taking away anything from Philadelphia that wecan. Can we strip some World Series titles
01:48:09as well from them? After thepandemic of 1918,Philadelphia andhad a parade called Philadelphia Liberty Loans Parade.And it was a celebration of, you know, the city basically, you know,World War I, Government Bonds, the troops.And it lasted, I think maybe one time.And then they booed Santa Claus and they canceled it.
01:48:36That's right.They threw batteries in a guy dressed like Ben Franklin.They did more than booed Santa Claus in Philadelphia.Just throwing that out there.I like Liberty Day.I think they should bring it back.CR, that should be one of your missions.When I take my Governor McRyne type of slot in the national political scene,
01:48:53we got to bring back Liberty Day, it's an important day.I can't wait to plot and scheme to have your tire blown out, send you over the bridge.Unanswerable.You wouldn't be by Chief of Staff?You wouldn't be by guy?I would, but I would also plot against you.Well, then welcome to blow out 2000.Is this the best Philly movie ever?
01:49:16I think it's there.It's this Philadelphia trading places.Rocky.What about Rocky?Yeah, Rocky is getting to a Jesus.Jesus.Twelve monkeys.I mean, great.
01:49:27It's a great Philadelphia.It's a great Philadelphia movie.The Silver Lanings Playbook count as a Philly movie?Not really, right?This is my...This is my favorite.This is my favorite. This is my favorites.Yeah, I'm with you.
01:49:39I'm with you.I'm with you.I think that trading places goes to...to more interesting places in Philadelphiathan this.This goes to all the placesthat you would go.And the city looks great.
01:49:50Except obviously when it looks likea porn hut.When it goes to the Union Halland there is thatthere's the sequence,there's the banquet sequencein trading placesis just one of the great sequences.
01:50:04I mean,Busby, Berkeley,each your heart out.It's just one of the greatindictments of Philadelphiais like old Philadelphiais.We haven't done trading
01:50:13places, have we? It's coming.I just, I thinktrading places is one and blowoutis two. Any other unanswerablequestions? John, what's your favorite Philadelphia movie?Game 6, Astros overPhillies and Houston the other day?Too soon. We just went right in a
01:50:33Trollsville. Okay. Bestdouble feature choice with this movie.I'm going to tweetthe category. I think it's a triple feature.I think you do dress to kill.I think you do this. You do body double.and you just fucking run it back to backfor like seven hours.
01:50:48Brian Cook? Yeah.Just rock out.Yeah.I think you finish the night offwith coad frenzy.Yeah.I think that's like in a weirdyou mentioned the trilogy
01:50:57before thePakula movies, yeah.That's like the De Palma trilogyfrom those three.Isn't it kind of weirdin Coad Frenzy how like every singleperson in there is having sex?Or dancing naked?
01:51:09It's a frenzy.I know, I'm just saying.Literally a frenzy.I will say when I was growing upI'm a little older than you guys.De Palma, it had been imprinted in my brainthat he was like Kitchcock ripoff guy.And it took me a while to kind of
01:51:26to see that out of my brainbecause that was like the rap on him.Body double especially because I love body doubleand then I was like, I want to read about body double.And then people were like, Kitchcock, fuck this guy.He did a couple of things right after this moviethat also kind of obliterated that narrative.I think by making scarface and casualties of war,
01:51:47you couldn't just be like, oh, he's the Hitchcock guy.And Untouchables, too.Untouchables comes after that.And he does enough that is far away enough from the thrillerthat he got so good at kind of reinventing.But he was that, I mean, he was that guy.Like, that being imprinted on your mind, I think was fair.And when you go to his movies and you don't know.
01:52:05This is also, right, blowout is also rear window.Yeah.Totally.You know what it's doing what rear window is doing.Did your eyes deceive you?What did you see?What did you hear?There's an amazing, amazing clip of him and Scorsese in the mid-70s on Dick Cavett.
01:52:21If you've never seen it.It's one of my favorite filmmaker interviews ever.Because Dick Cavett is like asking, he's trying to ask thoughtful questions of filmmakers,which I have done many times over the years and been humiliated and embarrassed.Dick Cabot gets his fucking head blown off by De Palma.It's also like pre-Wikipedia.So he'll be like, did you guys grow up together?And they're like, no.
01:52:40Like, they just do not give him any.respect and then they go off on tangents than the things that they want to talk about but they'rethey both seem a little koki they're both like very pleased with themselves to palma more thananybody but he was so he just knew he was smarter than everybody else too so he he flexed that allthe time in the press which is why i think people took shots at him as well because he was he reallybelieved who he was it was a very koki era for directors oh yeahcorsese did most of it but then he left some he left some for the other guys yeah yeah was heSpilberg wasn't
01:53:15No, I don't think SpielbergI think he was the only oneThere's never been stories aboutBut I think everybody did cocaine back thenIt was like how we drink coffee nowThe Andy and RedI mean Wesley showed up today with someCortata cup
01:53:29That he's brought his own cupI've never seen CortadoCortado cupHe ordered a Cortado and he's likeHere's my Cortado cupI didn't say it like thatI gave him my cupIt's a portable cup
01:53:42You can put anything in itA film by Louis Mali.You know, Chris, it was in here, and I didn't say it now.What happened the next day, aka the Andean Reds-Wat.This is the thing I want to talk about.What do you got?I don't think he makes another movie.I think he, I don't, I think he, like, sits at a bar and drinks himself to death.
01:54:08I think all that lightness is gone.It's gone at the end of the movie.The light's out.for this guy.I think he opens...This is the worst incident of his life.His professional careerand his romantic hopes
01:54:20kind of just converge and diein a horrible car accident.And now it's compoundedwith the cop thing.Yeah.He's had like,I think he opensa used political bookstore.
01:54:31You think he turns into a nut.And starts having like a,you know,a late night radio showwhere he talks about tinfoil hat stuff.I believe that.I think he runs forpresident on the Democratic ticket.
01:54:41This platform is all about the truth.Yeah.Finding the truth.And making sure Pete Rosemitt gets into Cooperstown.I think he's probably murdered.Hmm.How did it not happen to that point?They take him out at some point.
01:54:58Because they hire that Burke.But wouldn't Burke be like, I'll take care of this guy too.He was.He was like, I'll get to him eventually.First, I have to have a series of sex killings.Yeah, what happens the next day with Lithgow?Does he become?He's out.
01:55:10He's dead.He has killed.It's stabbed in the heart.Oh, yeah, you're right.Nothing happens with him.Yeah, Burke gets buried.Maybe he didn't die.Maybe he moves to the Pacific Northwest.
01:55:20Oh, boy.Oh, my God.What memorabilia would you want from this movie?Oh, that's a good one.Go to Chris or Sean.I'm going to think about that.The flip book.Yeah.
01:55:36Oh, sure.Oh, great one.That or some of the movie posters.The co-ed frenzy poster would be made.That's a good one, too.I would take that one, too.You know what I want?The wallpaper in the hotel.
01:55:47Oh, it's really good.The hotel wallpaper is extraordinary.Well, he brings that vision over many times in the movie.You know, like obviously near the end when you see the fireworks and everything,but there's that great scene when he drives past the cement mixer.And the cement mixer has the exact same pattern, the red and white stripes.And he brings that, you know, that motif back like four or five times.I mean, it's like, there's lots of reasons you get sucked into rewatching these movies,
01:56:09but it's details like that.I never noticed that.That's awesome.I can't wait to rewatch, blow out, and look for it.Yeah.Coach Finstock Award,Best Life Lesson.If you record an assassination,
01:56:20make sure you make multiple copieswith my lesson.It's good,take me.I like that.I think at least three.It's a very good.I take that.
01:56:26Put one in a locker somewherelike at the YMCA down the street.Just lock it in there.When you're casting your scream queen,make sure she can scream.Hmm.Yeah.Who won the movie to Palma?
01:56:42I think is our answer?Unless you want to make a Chibote case.I think it's, I think it'sDe Palma, but this is my favorite Travoltaperformance, so, yeah.Oh, we all agree that this is our favorite?I don't think Sean, I think Sean seemed on the fencebecause he's- I still have Saturday Fever's favorite,
01:56:58but I think this is the best performanceI've seen him in a movie.This is, no, I mean, I think you can't have Pulp Fictionwithout Travolta, but I also think you can't,like I said before, you can't agree with that Travolta, so it's tough.You know, like, I could see another actor in this part.But it's a totally different performance.Harry Ford?
01:57:14I think Harrison Ford could have done it.It's not the same.I think he could have done it.This is one of the great movie star performances, period.Like, top 10 to me, great movie star performances.Because Travolta, I think, is underrated as a movie star, right?Like, when you line it all up, I mean, he just had a thing that nobody had, right?This is the thing that makes all movie stars special.
01:57:41But I just think that this is.This is one of the great movie stars.Isn't it still a good movie if it's Roy Shider?Yes, but it's just a 70s movie then.That's what it is.This to me is a nice movie.Redford would be the one that, and he probably turned it down, right?I can't imagine Redford being the sound guy.
01:58:02Too beautiful.Too beautiful.Also not an East Coast guy, yeah.From Philadelphia.Pacino could be.He's too corn fed.Gear, maybe.Worst case there, Slice Stallone.
01:58:12Oh, God.No, because then he'd be like, I got to rewrite the same.the script and you gotta do this and you gotta do that.Craig, what do you got? What were your thoughts?What were your blowout thoughts?This is why I love producingthe show because when would I have everwatched this movie? When would anybody my age have
01:58:26ever watched this movie? It's also, seriouslyfor service journalism here, it's justburied on HBO Max. You can just go watch it.Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I lovethis movie for a lot of reasons. It's a movie aboutmaking movies, which is my favorite genre.It's a full circle movie,which I also love one of my favorite parts of a movie.
01:58:42Great call. And ultimately,Like, this is a movie about a guy's running the ones and twos.It's right.It's an allegory for podcast producing.You know what I mean?I got some suspect clips I'm working on some theories going on about audio that I've gathered.Some subliminal messages that I've been sending.Yeah, some conspiracies I'm cooking out.
01:58:59So you think that's what Jack's doing now?He's like producer number eight on serial season five.No, I wonder what happened as well.It's definitely some like off-bran, true crime thing.It's dark.It's darker than that.He started a podcast?I don't know.
01:59:12I mean, it's dark.For real.I don't think that he is not in the main whatever the quote mainstream of American thought.No, he's on the margin somewhere suffering and like begging to be listened to.And he's got a little bit of a cult following.And in this moment, this is this period that we're living in right now in 2022, this is his moment.Right.Except that he was murdered mysteriously in June 1982.
01:59:41But that actually could be the sequel is just cut to Travolta.today with afucking wig on.No!Just make itletting him be a movie star again.Decrepit basement.I mean,
01:59:53De Palma's interestsand what we're talking about,it's not like a huge leap for him.I gotta say that.I'm in on this idea becauseif it was in the Hollywood reporter,Brian De Palma andTravolta team up for Blowout too.
02:00:06Blown out.Blown out.Yeah.Yeah.Blue out.What did you think of Nancy AllenCraig.I, to be honest, didn't love her in the beginning, but I agree that by the end of the movie,
02:00:20I actually thought she worked really well for the role.Yeah.Yeah.All right.Produced by Craig Horacek.This was episode three, naughty November, Neo-November.What were the other November?Sleek, sexy, sweaty November.
02:00:36Sweedy.No-no November.We have one more coming.The sweatiest of all of them coming next.It is so fucking sweaty next week.Wesley will be here.Craig Corbett, producing.See you next time.
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