The Rewatchables - ‘Boogie Nights’ (Part 2) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: September 27, 2022

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No, you've already put the death notice on this show for 500. I was talking to Amanda Dobbins before this recording, and she said, what do I need to read into the fact that Bill is doing boogie nights? Is everything okay? Listen, it's either a birthday present to myself or this is my last episode of the rewatchables. We'll find out in a week. This might be it. Then the rise of Craig. Then I hand it to Craig and he comes in with this is the end and people are like, this podcast is so much better.

Then Sean and I moved to Recita and start our own podcast company. Craig's like, it's Avengers Month. Neighbors too. I'm here with Chris Ryan and Sean Fantasy. My name is Bill Simmons, and my wife has an ass in her cock in the driveway. This is Pookie Nights. Let's go. All right.

The categories. Part two is all categories. Part two is going to be a lot more fun than part one. Part one needed to happen. We needed to have the 90-minute discussion. I just want you to feel like this is your birthday. This is the last rewatchables episode. Just take your time.

Don't get to the middle of the categories and be like we're falling behind. Sean and I have nothing else going on today. Most rewatchable scene. I only had nine scenes. I tried to narrow it down. How many did you have, Sean? 16, 17. Oh, you went big.

I think I might have combined some. 18. I have literally only one scene in the movie that I don't think is rewatchable. Yeah, you really have to cheat. It's two hours, 39 minutes. We try to make this a little like a flame in this, though. There's a wrinkle to this, though, too,

which is I want to get your ruling on something. Yeah. All right, first one, the opening scene in Hot Tracks in Reseda. which was a real place, apparently. I'm going to on vacation. Listen, don't you ever stay away from my club that long again, okay? You got it. Enough for nothing, honey, but you are the sexiest bitchy.

Thank God, I love you. Okay, listen, I got your boot set up over there. This is in the running for best steady cam, flexing my muscle shot ever. Where does it rank for you, Sean? Is it so Goodfellas for you because it was first? I think it's more important to Goodfellas because it's taking you. inside of a world halfway through the movie, and you're seeing it through the eyes of Karen,

and so it's better for telling the story from a purely technical perspective. It's up there because it does something that I don't think that the Goodfell's scene does, which is that the steady cam starts on a crane, and then the camera operator hops off the crane and walks into the club. I just don't know how...

I just don't understand how did they do it? I literally can't figure out when he gets off. It's just like, how do they do it where, I guess we're stepping on Great Shot Gordo, like the camera will come back from following Maurice around, and then hit when Julianne Moore is lighting her cigarette. Like, I just don't understand the choreography and the time. And then you have, what, 150 extras?

Yeah. I think this is the best one for me because of the how did they do that factor. The Goodfellas, it makes sense. It's moving along and all the people are in the right spots. This is like people are walking toward the camera, they're walking away from the camera, they're holding drinks. They're working in a disco. They're also dancing in the background.

And I just don't understand how they did it. It's three minutes long. It introduces us to basically three quarters of the core cast in under three minutes. I had we meet all seven main characters plus Maurice. Everybody but Scotty J. And I don't even know if you'd call Scotty J main characters. Only in like a couple scenes. They said 12-hour shoot day.

How many takes? Well, you probably know the answer. I don't, but I'm going to guess seven. Yeah, seven takes. Jack, chicken, Jack! That exact moment is when the camera moves off the crane. and somebody starts moving it through the club. You know, like, that's the thing that in the,

from the technical perspective, that's a real wow. That's a real, I'm pulling my dick out in the first minute as opposed to the last minute. And then on top of it, we have to have, as Chris said, we go back to the table. Or did you say that? I said that I couldn't understand how they were able to choreograph it so that they get there.

And it's not just that, it's like her being, like, she's like lighting a cigarette as, like, Maurice gets back to the table. At the perfect time. Roller Girl skates over. and she's got to pee. What's wrong? What's going down in there? I got to pee.

She skates off. We have to follow the camera. She then skates through the dance floor. She's got to nail just the dancing part. And all the way to Dirk, who's turning around holding a thing of glasses at the perfect time. I watched this 10 times over the last week trying to figure out what am I missing? How did they do this? And I don't understand how they did it.

I mean, the set looks like a racetrack and there's lines all over the floor where they're making sure they've perfectly charted out where they're meant to go, but it doesn't change the fact that it's just like brilliantly conceived. That's like, here's how I'm opening my movie. Also, I love that story that he tells about how he got the title of his first movie changed. So, you know, from Sydney to Hard 8. So it was incredibly important for him to make the title of the movie part of the first shot of the movie. And so the camera turns and you see Boogie Nights on the Marquis and then it starts its journey.

And it's the same thing as Dirk imagining. his own name and lights so bright that it explodes. You know, like, and if you listen to the director's commentary, PTA on this is so I mean, he sounds like he's got a schlitz in his hand when he's talking, but like he's just like, I was like, let's

fucking go. You know, like, my other movie is pretty slow. It's very considered. I wanted this to feel like a party. I wanted you to meet everybody. I wanted it to be like this overwhelming of the senses immediately. And like when you turn this movie on, it's hard to imagine.

and not spending the next three hours watching it. I was pretty creatively damaged the first couple years there at ESPN, and I would put jokes in columns that I knew wouldn't get through to try to get the fifth joke. I knew they would take out the first force of the fifth one in. I can't imagine being so creatively damaged that I am playing in this huge steady cam scene, and I put the boogie nights in the movie because that's the only way I'm positive they will have to keep it as a title if it's at the beginning. Think about how traumatized you must have been from your first movie.

That's actually a leap you make. He did not have final cut on this movie. Right. So every choice he made had to be particular with that in mind. He learned his lesson. I'm going to ask one question of each of these scenes we're doing. So, Jack, Jack and Jack and he's like, where were you? And he's like, we were on vacation.

Where did Jack and Amber go on vacation, in your opinion? Like Palm Springs? Yeah, Acapulco. Oh, you think they got it on playing? Yeah. I was thinking more Palm Springs. Well, they are driving back from the desert when they come up with Brock Landers, right?

Going to the desert. Yeah, or going to the desert. So maybe they have like a Palm Springs. Cabo? Like Hawaii. I don't know if, is Jack going all the way to Hawaii? Maybe Baja.

I feel like Amber needs to bring a lot of drugs with her wherever she goes, so probably a driving trip. It's a great point. Fair. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of Palm Springs. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, Santa Barbara would have been a good one. Like maybe a little Montecito. A little Central Coast wine day. So our guys. Bobby Elswit, he said he remembers standing with Paul and receded ball of hard. Big shot Bob. He was looking at the receded theater.

It was out of business, but it hadn't been torn down yet. And the marquee was destroyed. The Nia didn't work anymore. And he said, we wandered down there. We're like, we have to start here. We have to see boogie nights on this marquee. And then we're off. Now, I have a question. When is, from a rewatchable scene standpoint? When does this end? Would you say

there's a second scene. Yes. Because Jack... It's the cut. The cut to Jack eyeing Eddie is the next scene. I would probably combine those into one bigger scene. So this is getting into sequence versus scene. This will happen the most at the Jack party.

So let's say that's... Then that's our next rewatchable scene. Jack sees Eddie. Goes into the back and we get the 17-year-old piece of gold. I'd love to. I got to work. You have to work, get money, you know, pay the rent. Well, yeah, I mean, no, I need money, but I don't pay rent. I still live at home.

How old are you, Eddie? 17. 17-year-old piece of gold. Let's come back to the table. I got some good about it. I mean, I do know you. I know who you are. I mean, I'd love to come back to your table for a drink, and obviously you're not full of fun. Dog, you do. Yeah, but I just couldn't walk out on Maurice. I'm really sorry.

I got a feeling, but he's those jeans are so wonderful, just waiting to get out. Love, love, love, love, love, love this scene. You want five or ten? Got a feeling underneath those jeans, Sean. There's something wonderful waiting to get out. PTA tells the story. They shot this scene early on in the film. It didn't work.

And the only thing that they went back and reshot was this scene because Walberg and Reynolds and Elswit and PTA agreed it wasn't working. And so they rewrote it. And you can tell by the confidence of the two actors in the scene that they have been doing this for a little while now. And they know each other's rhythms. It is the most insinuating, interesting, and also handheld. The camera, after being gliding through the first three minutes of the movie,

all of a sudden we see Eddie and it's kind of bouncing around a little bit. And we're like, this guy is a newbie. Chris, what would you have paid? Five or ten? I think five, you just get out quickly. Ten, I got to hang around for an extra five minutes. Yeah, you know, and it's like if it's his third time, you might be there for 15 minutes. Mailing it in.

Did you get the impression that Jack knew about Eddie? The legend of Eddie. Or had just, like, seen his face and was like, this kid's got the look. Oh, that's a good question. Maybe Maurice tipped him off. Like, I got this freaking dishwasher. He's hung like a tripod. Guys are paying him $10 to jerk off in my kitchen.

I can't get him to do his job. I can't imagine Maurice is explaining to people that he's got a dude jerking off in his kitchen. Yeah, probably not. Yeah, I think Jack, this is the town of Jack Horner. He could just see the magic. That's what I think. And it's like, you know, I always love the, you know, he says, this is the new kid on the street.

It's like obviously Jack picks up an itinerant like runaway kids to be in his movies. That's how I found Ben Solat. I swear to God I was gonna make this joke to you. These are the real people. These are the new start. When Gondoli walks into the New Year's Eve party,

we're getting way ahead of ourselves. I was like, this is Bill when Solac came along. There's just no, this is exactly what it was like. I was like, I saw KSC in the Southwix block. Something wonderful. Triggers like re-Rodchild. Yeah. The combo of this is just such a,

such a just unbelievable way to start the movie. And then it goes all the way through to he leaves. And we see Little Bill going to his car and he has a fucking parking ticket. Every moment of Little Bill in this movie, he can't win. It's just him getting kicked in the balls constantly. Even the deleted scene of this scene, right, when they're all come out. Do you watch this one where Reed and Becky come out of the club at the end of the night? It's just like they're hanging.

And Little Bill is like, what do you guys do? doing you want to get a bite to eat and like oh you know I'm pretty tired I think I'm gonna go right she's trying to blow a little bit off and he leaves and they're like can I sit over at your house next one look this isn't rewatchable but we got to break it down is the dirk's mom going in on him he means to be you're not being me to you're just too stupid to see it you don't know what I can do you don't know I can do what I'm gonna do what I'm gonna be you don't know I'm good I have good things that you don't know about I'm gonna be something I am no if you fucking tell me I'm not That seems unbelievable.

I love Dirk's room. I love the posters. It's Walberg. It's one of his best performances in the movie, as we discussed. The mom is so evil and so great. She's sitting there waiting for him. It's got the bottle of liquor next to him and the religious shit around. And she's smoking cigarettes and just like, she just hates this kid for reasons that remain unclear.

And they go at it. And that's just an awesome acting scene. But when she rips the posters, you're like, oh. This whole room that he's. spread around like I can't believe she touched a poster but that happens later like that happens like before that second scene you think that's the because

the second scene is just the next morning where Dirk is at the dinner table having their having breakfast no no I'm going I'm moving later I moved I moved the headlight so we're skipping the dad's failed sale of the TK421 we're moving past Cheryl Carolyn and Eddie do you want to just do the whole movie

I am like compelled to talk about every scene why do we do this we'll do each scene okay So it's opening sequence, Eddie and Roller Girl, Jack, do PARs. Yeah, I don't need notes. We didn't even do going back to Jack's house. Buck stereo. Yeah.

Yeah, Buck stereo. Yep. And then... Roller Girl in high school. Four channels of quads. Roller Girl in high school and the guy turning around and giving her the blowjob sign, who we then would later see. So this is one of House's favorite things about Boogie Nights was the casting call for the guy in the class.

I know. Where they're just doing 100 auditions of the guy going, I'm like, that's the one. PTA. I was like, that's the end. Do you think that guy is trying to do like check off at the Geffen Theater? And they're like, what if we've seen you in?

He's just like, oh, well, I intended to have a dick in my mouth. And then I got my face kicked in. Were you disappointed that they didn't tell us what Roller Girl's real name was? Because the teacher keeps calling her, honey. Oh, yeah. He says it in the back of the limo. He says in the back in the limo. Yeah.

What does he say? I can't remember. Yeah. Well, the listeners would tell us. So then we have, he goes back, the second night, Roller Girl blows him. Yep. And then they go to the diner. You're right, the diner scene should be in there.

Yeah, Jack was trying to cut it down. His desire to make a real film that is a porno. It's my dream to make a film that is right and true and dramatic. And then we go to the audition in Jack's house and Brandon Key. We're going to fuck or what? Are you going to take your skits off? I don't take my skates off. Don't fucking come in.

Okay. Aim at her shit. aiming out of tits, Eddie. I love Amber. It's like, I'm going to bed, guys. I'll see later. They're like looking for lines. I might call my son in the morning

and see if he's up, but if not, I'm just probably going to turn in. So many good little hints, though, like Amber kisses Dirk on the mouth. Oh, definitely. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Here's where we're going. What is she, the foxiest bitch in 10 counties, according to Maurice? Yeah. And then the fight with, Dirk goes home has the fight with the mom. Yeah.

My next big rewatchable scene is the, I just have it as, mega pool scene. First of all, they said it was 107 degrees in West Covina. They're filming this. We've all felt that heat. I've watched my daughter play soccer. We just went outside for five minutes to have a turkey sandwich,

and I thought I was going to pass out. Eddie meets the gang. We get Reed and Dirk, which there's a deleted scene of that's not as good, but it's really helpful to watch them try to figure it out. But Reed just throwing a no-hitter of this movie. Making the margarita and talking through it and the stopping. That's a lot.

What do you work out? Torrance, where I live. Cool. Hey, you ever go to Vinces out here? Oh, no. I would have seen you. I'm there every day. I've always wanted to work out of Vinces.

Cool, here. Taste that. They're just like immediately friends, but it's like watching two third graders make friends. The most amazing part of that is him going, do you go to Vince's? Oh, no, I would have seen you. I'm there every day.

I've always wanted to. So we get that. And then we have the Colonel arrives, comes out of the limo. I'll step on on what stage the best. This movie has better arrivals. It has four incredible arrivals. That, Floyd, Scotty J., Todd Parker. It's like the Mount Rushmore of how to bring a character in a movie that started moving.

Todd Parker. He does the same trick every time, right? That sort of stuttering, cutting camera move. It's like you see them sitting, you see them standing, you see them walking. And they're like, just cut, cut, cut. and set to a super cool song every time. And every time you're like, all right, somebody important is here. New person.

Yep. Here we go. His date, do you have any coke at this party? I'm sure we can find something somewhere. What does he say you're shy as a little deer or something like that? She goes off and then we get to cut around the pool. We get Buck talking to Becky. I do know what I'm talking about, all right?

Listen to me and it sounds like your boss is at the stereo store saying the same thing. What? What? You have to get a new look. You get a new look. I have a look, okay? The look I have is just fine. What's your look?

Chocolate love, all right? 100%. You don't have the lash out like that buck. I'm just trying to be your friend. I have a look. Chocolate love 100%. We get Maurice trying to get it in a movie with Amber. Hunter, baby, please.

Talk to Jack. And then all leading to, I'm going to give this award right now. the Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness Word for Best Needle Drop, Spill the Wine, which is playing in the background, but it's the quiet part of the song, and that girl comes up from the Coke table, walks across, super cool. I don't know who that person was,

but she's owning it for like 10 seconds, throws the cigarette into the bush, and jumps in and spill the wine kicks out. From my research, she is actually a porn star. I really wish I hadn't researched this film on my Spotify computer, but she was a porn star? Yeah, I think it's Little Cinderella. Sure it is, yeah.

Wow, there you go. CR! Did you watch that film to completion? Yeah. That was a 10. So, and then I have that as kind of the end of that part of the scene, right? So Little Bill is after that scene. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, and within that kind of moment, there's a couple, do you want to talk about the nerdy I.M. Cuba thing about, like, the amazing execution of that scene? just that there's a, you know, Soviet Cuban film made in the late 50s that features a lot of tracking shots, but one tracking shot in particular where the camera goes down into a pool. And we see that same sort of following someone into the pool. Does somebody say, do they talk about like jackknife technique? They don't.

No one looks like Han Solo in that movie. But PTA, the thing that he's proud of is that the camera comes back up from the pool and then you can hear sound. And like, honestly, in the movie theater, even you're not even aware of the camera, you're just a common moviegoer. You'd be like, that's pretty fucking cool. Like, that looked really cool on a big screen.

I'm always telling him, you got to bring your legs all the way around. Well, one of the things I loved when this movie came out on DVD is they didn't do the square. He was like, fuck that, and it was wide. So, and all the TVs were square in the 90s, but it didn't matter. It was fine.

But then they would show it on cable, and they would kind of move the stuff around to make it fit to square. So then when the TV's got wide again, what it was like 10, 12 years ago, this movie had a whole second life because you could pick up, especially in the pool scene,

you could see people in the background, you could see people doing cocaine that you hadn't seen him forever. It was like Chris was saying, like there's so many shots in the movie of like every cast member altogether, basically, if you look all around. The third time I watched this movie

in the past week from start to finish, I was just trying to concentrate on the people behind the characters talking to see what I, And I actually picked up some stuff, but there really is a lot of stuff going on. I love the pool stuff. I love this house. Next one is the, my wife, this is, I have it going.

My wife has an assner cock right into the Colonel O.D., right into Scotty Jay's arrival, right into Colonel's advice for Eddie. You can team all those together because it moves fast or you can chop those up? Can we do a little bit of a special mention of Ricky Jay and William Macy being together and these two David Mamet stalwart. talking about the cinematography of a porn movie while William Macy's wife, Nina Hartley, is having sex on the pavement in front of a bunch of people. And Kurt's just like, what the fuck? It's just the photography of the movie.

Yeah. I was just saying, you know, because I'm trying to give each picture its own look. Can we talk about this later? Oh, yeah. You got to go somewhere or? Yeah. No.

I mean, you know, because I was hoping, you know, for the shoot tomorrow, we could send Rocky down and he could pick it up. Kurt. No, hey, gotcha. You gotta go somewhere. So, hey, what the fuck is? Only the photography of the film we're talking about.

Are you giving me shit, Kurt? No, hey, no way. My fucking wife has an ass and her cock in the driveway, Kurt. All right? I'm sorry if my thoughts are not on the photography of the film we're shooting tomorrow. Okay? Okay, no big deal. You give me shit, Kurt?

Are you giving me shit? My wife has an assner cock in the driveway. What, you got somewhere to be? It's no big deal. It's just, you know, the photography of the film. That scene is unbelievable. The best part is, in the background, you see Little Bill's wife, and they must have filmed like, what, a whole day of takes?

They're just with that crowd around, you know, that's why you have to cast an actual porn star, I guess, for that. She apparently brought a very specific energy to the set. Oh, yeah. The oral history really dives into that. She's quite a character. Is this the scene where they think she was actually having sex, but she claims that she wasn't?

Because there's one scene in the movie. That was the murdering. It's later. It's later. Okay. Yeah. Which, I think they ended up

cutting out completely. Okay. Okay. So Macy on his second take, he fucked it up and he said, ass and her cock. PTA loved that. He thought it was the funniest thing ever.

He's right. They do another take. Gets it right. Take four. He fuchs it up again. Makes the same mistake. And then PTA, PTA,

and the movie uses it. Macy has no idea. He's watching the movie and he uses the asser and cock. And he's like, oh my god, you're the geniuses guy. It's so funny. And it's like, it literally makes the scene.

It's so good. You want to do a little Ricky Jay for like a split second? Sure. He is probably best known as an actor in movies like this now, but he's a world-class magician, was a world-class magician, and was a world-class historian of magic and was an incredible kind of...

Confidence games. Yes, con man guy. He understood hustling, and he and Mamet teamed up a lot to talk about like the House of Games is a movie that he appears in where he helped kind of explain some of the cons.

And PTA is obsessed with how some games. There's, I mean, there's a whole lot of great kind of ex- if you're at all interested in Ricky Jay and he goes on to appear

in other PTA movies. He's the narrator at the beginning of Magnolia. There's Ricky Jane his 52 assistants, which I think is on HBO Max right now, which is his one-hour Broadway show

doing card tricks that is fucking amazing if you at all care about stuff like this. And then one of the best New Yorker stories of all time is written by Mark Singer about Ricky Jay and about his history as a performer and what he's interested in and how he like from the age of six was born

to be one of the greatest magicians of all time he only died a few years ago it's incredibly intelligent person and filmmakers for whatever reason were always very attracted to him and they felt like he brought that kind of gravitas and weirdness to movies he's one of those just in that collection of odd people that you see when you're 14 and you're like what's up with that guy like i just got obsessed with him for a couple of years well this became i think probably his most famous part Probably, yeah. And he's just like, he's playing it so straight. He's just like, I gotta tell these guys.

Like, where they're showing up. Also, kind of a talented guy in the movie, right? He's filming all the movie scenes, but he's also the editor. It's like, look at this guy. One of the funniest little tiny scenes is when he's later directing the two girls in the hot tub near the end. He's explaining what there's a point. He's like, oh, yeah, thong in the mouth, that's great. Yeah, yeah.

He's like, we don't have to cut it. It's video. In one of the deleted scenes where the commentary is when, John C. Rale is doing magic for Ricky J. And then Ricky J. finally breaks. And PTA is talking about how hard it was to make him laugh. And it's just going and going. He's like, I was going to keep the camera rolling until Riley made this guy laugh.

And then finally he broke. And he's like, look, there it is. He laughed. He was so psyched about it. So we have that. That scene's amazing. We go right to the kernel walking in on the OD, which leads to the classic, oh, you think so, doctor.

Oh, what the fuck is this? I didn't do anything. Is she breathing? I don't know. I think maybe she did too much coke. Oh, do you think so, doctor? No, this girl's definitely ODED. Oh, fuck me.

Okay, I want you to handle it so on me, Johnny. Listen to me? Yeah. Pick her up, get her in the car and drive her to St. Joe's. Yeah. Drop her off in the front. I don't want to, you know, you understand. Gotcha.

I'm sure no one sees the living on. Got it. What the fuck is this? This is twice in two days, and a chick is outed on me. What do you think this means that maybe? you ought to think about getting some new shit? What do you think? Yes, sir.

And then twice in two days. This is twice in two days. Maybe I'll think about get some new shit. What do you think? Please don't die. It's just Apex Colonel. He's so good. Carry that girl out.

They drag her out and that's Scotty's big entrance. And he does say, is she okay? Yeah, she could be okay. They're like, shut the fuck up. He's like, hey, Bart. Yeah. He's like, hey, Bart. Is she okay?

Shut the fuck up. And so we get Scotty J. meeting Dirk and just like, oh, this guy's in love with Dirk. Here we go to that. And then the colonel finally bringing him over to the best seen of all time. Great Big Cock, yeah. This is my, I'm just telling you now, this is my most rewatchable stretch. This makes me the happiest from Little Bill all the way to Jack says you have a great big cock. May I see it?

I'm looking forward to seeing an action. Jack says you've got a great big cock. I don't know. I guess so. May I see it? Really? Please. But thank you, Eddie.

And then the colonel originally doing the... Sunglasses. Doing the spit take of, oh my God, look at that thing. And pop it up and going, well, thank you, Eddie. So... It's the apex for me. In the oral history, Ellswood describes this as a foretake, like a quadruple take, but it's not. He just looks.

He doesn't break. He's just staring at this dude's thing for like 12 seconds. His forehead goes from squinting. to just his whole face freezes. And then he just pops and goes, well, thank you, Eddie. And then they keep it on him for like eight seconds. I know. It's amazing.

The carnal. He was wonderful. This movie's elite. Is he your favorite petterast in film? Well, thank you, Eddie. It's another line. Apex Mountain for Petterasts? It's either him or the Jesus in the Big Lobowski.

Oh, that's right. He has to go notify everybody. When I first started watching this movie all the time on my illegal cable box, that's when I was living with my roommate, Richard. my last roommate before my wife moved in

and we watched Boogie Nights and we were just constantly we were talking like the colonel like, well thank you Eddie like I brought you back in coffee thank you Eddie we went to like a place with boogie nights I can't even describe

just taking lines and just incorporating them thinking about how fun Robert Ridgely would be like in real life because that's the story is Robert Ridgely and Ernie Adams who's PTA's father they were really close friends

and he tells this really heartbreaking story at the end of the commentary about how they died, like, within days of each other. Yeah. And so that that was just, like, the darkest period. And Magnolia in part comes out of that. But, I mean, they seem like two pretty big crackups. Like, in the 70s hanging out with Tim Conway, having drinks,

and 11-year-old PTA hanging out with those guys. I mean, that must have been the time of his life. Well, I was going to say this later, but this is a good spot for this, when the colonel's butter in my ass speech. Oh, and Ridgely's cracking up in the back? Ridgelie breaks in the back, and he has to kind of blur him. You can see, I somehow never noticed this for a couple years. I think it actually works for this scene that, like, somebody would laugh at that?

Like, it's almost, like, because you can see him for people listening. He didn't know this. He's like, oh, Philip Baker Hall is going to be really buttoned up here or whatever. And then he's just like, I like. You see him kind of laughing a little bit? And then when he says, butter in my ass, lot of puffs in my mouth, that's just what I like. And you see Ridgely just like having a stroke and back. It's the funniest fucking thing.

And it's so good. Like, PTA can't cut that. You can't feel like, oh, we got to do that again. Rob. Bob was laughing in the background. I think Chris is right Like it contributes to it and it's perfect And now it's like an Easter egg

Where have you ever read Reed's poem in the hot tub To another woman? Because that's the next scene I love you I can't He's a genius He's a genius Riley

That's that is amazing What does he say like down in the sugar tree? Yeah But the bees won't sting Because you love me My next big rewatch scene is that Dirk's going to be a star montage, which... After the first shoot?

When he comes up with his name? After the first shoot, you could argue, is a re-watchable as well. That's the only, like, real sex part. They get a little heated, but the reactions going around with Dirk, when she's like... Before she said such a huge cock, when we cut to Ricky J. and the other guy.

Then we cut to a little Bill who's just like, Jesus, like, he's already, like, messed up emotionally anyway from his wife. Then Phillips Seymour Hoff. Scotty J. quivering. He's holding. He's like, oh. And then the Becky and Reid doing the tilt, which I thought is, like, such a great choice.

Why are their heads tilting? What would be seen? They're trying to get the proportions, you know? Just trying to make sure it's a 360 experience. But that part, I like that scene just because it gets me to the Dirk's going to be a star montage. We get a shopping spree. We get to find out his thoughts on a. port-Italian nylon.

He gets his hair done. We get his hair done and you get a little little on the set of Spanish pantalones. I can roll her over and go right in doggy style. Should I use a Spanish accent? We get to see the marquee and then the reading reviews kill me. Oh my God. I tried to freeze frame it to see if I could get like just read you guys like two paragraphs.

And it's all just like another sucktastic. Digglers more eruptive than a volcano on a bad day. Yeah, he makes like a little weird choices too. It starts off with Jack reading and then he double tracks with Amber reading over it So you're hearing them almost at the same time And then the split screen and then they split into four screens And then you're seeing scenes from Spanish pantalones

And then you're also seeing scenes of like Dirk trying on clothes and then all of a sudden It goes to the dance sequence. Apex Mountain of people reading their own reviews, This or Citizen Dick in singles? Oh my God, I would go with this. I love the four screen too because it's spent with the square TVs in the late 90s

What do you do with that? You can only see like two, you couldn't even see the other two sides But, and it goes right into the disco scene Which is so fucking funny And just it's actually really fun to watch Yeah, it's really great

Yeah, he like he kind of wants to make like a studio musical It's like Adam Schengen? It's Adam Schengen who went on to be like a filmmaker That's a director It's when Roller Girl comes in and he swirls her around I don't know. It's just so goddamn enjoyable. The woman dancing with Dirk in that scene is incredible.

Like a great dancer. She's like fake Jennifer Bielser. Yeah, she's great. It goes right from that to now we're in the van. With them pitching Brock Landers and Chess Rockwell. Dirk. You've got to work on a Colonel, too, Derek. I mean, you've got to be committed.

Right, right, Jack. I'll do whatever I have to do. Does this character have a name? His name is Brock Landers. His partner's name is Chest Rockwell. They're great names. So my take was that they were driving to Vegas for the award show. Is that right?

Like is the adult video awards or whatever? Oh yeah, you're right. The second annual adult film awards. Yeah. Okay. They're going. Yeah, fair. And I love how earnest he is, Walberg.

Yeah, he's like, John Holmes. He's disrespectful to win. Meanwhile, like, in Brocklander's Oral Majesty 7, he's like, slapping multiple of it. He's abandoned that strategy. Do you think it was a good idea to raise the specter of John Holmes in this movie?

Because then it creates a reality I liked it. Where this is real. It's kind of like Kendall Roy showing up in industry. Right. Yeah, right. Oh, interesting. So you're saying Boogie Nights should exist

in a world where John Holmes doesn't exist. Well, we're getting into taking myths, but to me it's sort of like, is there a world in which there is a Dirk Diggler and John Holmes, and they're both the biggest star in porno. It's already weird that there's one male star in straight porno. Yeah.

So two? Yeah. The guy's name is Brock Laners. His partner is Chest Rockwell. And it cuts to Reynolds. He's like, ha ha! Those are great names!

He's so excited. That would have been my reaction, too. I would have reacted exactly like Bert Reynolds. They are great names. Don't make me chase you, Raphael. And then it goes right to the second annual adult. film awards with the speech, which is fantastic. I'm never going to give a speech at the annual adult

film awards, but if I did, I would do the... Are you sure? These movies... You're going to have all this time on your hands down with the rewatching. This is over. Yeah, that's true. I think you have kind of like a Jack Horner energy. Thank you.

You just want to make a film that's right and true and dramatic. Yeah. Let's keep rocking and rolling. Next one I have is, what else would you have before we get to Angels live in my town. I mean, touring Dirk's new house is amazing. I had that, the Dirk's Dojo. I mean, and she's like, oh, you have an Asian room.

It's Asian. Like that whole sequence, the initials on his, on his drapes, and walking through all of that stuff and then showing off the car. Where did you get the idea to do that? So fun. I mean, that's the other thing, too, is most of the people in this movie are either stupid or uneducated. Like, like, deeply. Yeah.

like there's not really a smart person in the movie, with the exception maybe of Jack, but even Jack, he's watching one of the worst movies of all time, and he's like, this is the movie I want them to remember me by. Like, that's a dawning moment where, you know, they're just like, well, Buck knows a lot about stereo equipment.

They're not stupid. But he doesn't, though, that's the joke. The joke is that he's, you know, he's like four channels of quads. Exactly. Dirk's apartment has a conversation pit. It has two horrendous oil paintings from Jesse's name Vincent. Yeah.

It's got the D-D curtains. Do you have a CR curtains, Chris? Not yet. They're on order. Supply-Ju issues, though. Yeah. CR. It's got the merit ceiling over the bedroom.

My favorite. House is like one of House's favorite lines was when he shows Amber his bedroom and opens the door. He's like, it's my dojo. It's Asian- themed. It has that whole karate feel. That combined this whole section with the, with, I gave this the Dracula of the musical award. Best Imitation of Real Art

the first Brocklanders movie. Bum, b'bong, bough, bough, bong. Let's get some of that Saturday Night Beaver, that whole thing. I love that. It's true. You are Baclanders, too. That just felt like that. He probably stole that. He's probably stole that. Yeah, something he saw in a porno. Angels live in my town is fantastic.

I'm actually amazed he never just shot Angels Live in my town. Like, that's how crazy PTA is. Maybe he did. Maybe it's his private stash. That would be my rude question. If you have him come back, you've got to ask them that. Did you shoot Angels living by the town? Like, for real.

Also, you mentioned let's go get some of that Saturday Night Beaver. Literally, right after someone says that in a movie, Ricky Jay says, it's a real film. You made it fly. That's amazing. It's a real film, Jack. And then he goes, it's the best work we've ever done. It's a Real Film Jack is another line from this movie

that I think has transcended the movie. I know I've tried to work it into everyday conversations. New Year's Eve? Yeah, 1980? This is by far my most rewatchable scene. Floyd Gondoli? Yeah, Floyd?

Because the whole sequence. How many movies have two indelible characters show up an hour and a half into the movie? And to have Todd and Floyd show up this late into the film? That's a great call. Chris. I don't want to win an Oscar, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel.

It is. That's an amazing scene. So Floyd is like basically a adult theater owner, right, up and down the West Coast. And he's like, I have distro for videos. And, you know, Colonel's going to pay for it and you're going to shoot it. But he takes over Colonel's business after the unfortunate incident with the Colonel. Yeah. Yeah.

Everything that Gondoli says is, best quote, these are the next stars. these are the real people in the world. And it's just like these pimply, like, co-heds? Or 17-year-olds, yeah. Who looked like shit is so funny and so depraved. Everything he does is remarkable.

And also, like, you know, like, Phil Biggerhall. This is kind of like where his legend is made. Like, he was on Seinfeld and he had been obviously, like, in Secret Honor, which is where Altman got, uh, Alton made a movie with him about Nixon that PTA loved. And PTA always worshipped him and he made him the star. You got to go back to Midnight Run because he's Sydney.

Midnight Run. But then he's a character actor. in the 80s. Seinfeld pushed him to another level it felt like. Right. But this movie, I think,

maybe for our generation, yeah, is where he becomes the character actor. Like, when he's in a movie, you're like, yes,

absolutely. And he gets all the best lines because PCA knows how good he is. Chris, if you had to pick between butter in your ass or lollipops

in your mouth, you could only have one. I got go lollipops. What is butter in my ass? I was hoping you were going to take it here. What's the second? Go in Paris.

isn't it? That might be what he was referencing. What year was that movie? 78? Yeah. So he's been sitting on that one for two years processing it. Another example of a movie that is an art house film that also titillated audiences. Call me crazy. Call me a pervert. Okay. Deal. There's one little thing I'm doing this life and that's up making a dollar and a sit in this business. I fucking love the, love the Floyd so much. Well, we'll do best Floyd's ever in Apex Mountain. The whole, like, do you view the party as one whole scene from when this part starts? I'm just pulling out the kernel part. I love that the most.

The Scotty J scene I would have next. The kissing dirt is like showing the car. It's one of the most uncomfortable three-minute scenes in the history of movies. So effective. You know it's coming. You know it's probably going to happen. And then it actually happens. And then the I'm a fucking idiot part is.

The whole thing with Scotty too is on the page it doesn't really It probably doesn't say that I looked at the script it's not like that But like you can just tell from the way that Hoffman plays it It's like this is a guy who probably just started showing up at the porn set one day And like doesn't actually really work there even Yeah, he's just holding a boom mic Yeah like it's just like Scottie's here again you know

Another guy's looking for family right That's right I'm looking for love If this movie came out today I think it would be the most memed movie For like three years straight Like just the I'm a fucking idiot You put that right under Nathaniel Hackett

It just screws up another Broncos game And you're just ready to go That's a good one But there's like a hundred of those right You just grab different pieces and you could go This Little Bill killing himself You want to talk about the cinematic

Yeah I mean because Moves in that one because that's a one shot too But so do your thing The Charles Wright song starts playing very quiet At the end of the Scotty J scene And like it's the tension starts ratcheting up And this is the most importance the movie. This is when the movie flips.

Yeah. And we go... Well, when you also think you're at a New Year's party and it's going to be happy and we're bringing in the 80s. Yes. This is going to be great. And it's obviously everything is ending. It's nightmare season.

And this whole sequence is also very similar to me to the first three minutes of the movie where it's just bravura of filmmaking. Like incredible following him and the energy and Macy's performance. Carrying the, he sees them fucking in the room. He's got a glass of champagne. He goes right out to his car, puts the champagne glass right on top of the car, opens his car, goes in, takes the gun out of the glove compartment,

locks his car door, but then leaves the champagne on top of the car and goes in the house. Yeah, so he's had a complete psychotic breakdown. So the whole movie, that Nina Hartley thing is played for a joke. For the most part, the first hour and the half

of the exception of the mom stuff is pretty comic. It's pretty like, you know, that's one big cock. It's like all these kind of like, like you're saying, almost like these memeable moments. and then when Little Bill does that,

the whole movie turns on a dime and everything that these people have been doing have consequences and the fact that Amber gets Dirk into Coke at that party winds up being this like, you know, complete trapdoor for him and all this stuff that happens. Todd comes in, that leads to... By the way, how did Dirk call it for that long? That was my biggest picking net of the whole movie.

You're telling me that Dirk has been in the porn industry for at least 18 months, maybe two years, and has never tried cocaine. think we can talk about it. Natural highs. He likes to work out of Vince's. But you're right though, Chris. The introduction of Floyd

means the end of the colonel, basically. Yeah. The introduction of Todd means Dirk's life is going to go in the shitter because of cocaine. Dirk tries cocaine. Little Bill commits suicide and murder suicide in the house.

And Scotty J. is basically fully embarrassed and, like, fully subservient now to Dirk. That's the whole movie. The whole, everything is different. And Buck and Jesse meet. Right. Got that.

Which is the only, kind of like weirdly disturbingly happy thing that happens in this movie. And Reed is just still a dumb idiot. Reed's like a golden retriever just running around, making pumps. Well, now we're in the 80s, so we'll take a break. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana. Selling your car should feel like one less thing on your list. Not one more.

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diarrhea and vomiting, which can cause dehydration and worsen kidney problems. Talk to your doctor. Call 1-800-545-99-9 or visit zepbounce.lily.com. All right, next rewatchable scene. I mean, this is ridiculous. We're just basically doing every scene in the movie. Amber Waves Talk, fire and fire. Yeah.

The Brock and chest story, whatever it's called. And they both look like shit. Like they're really starting to look bad in that. Who's better in this scene? Dirk or Reed? Reid. Amber, I live in this world. I don't like violence any more than you do.

Violence is a bad thing. But when you see violence in films, it's, you know, if movies, films caused violence, we'd be able to wipe out violence tomorrow. Boom, no more films. That's fine with me. I'll find something else to do. I'll fuck on my own time.

You know, I got other interests. I'm a magician. And, you know, hopefully I like, you know, that'll be something that I focus on in the future because he can't fuck forever. I realize that. Anyway, violence is something that plagues us as a society. Amber, I live in this world. I don't like violence any more than you do. Violence plagues us.

Reed is so good. And then we get, I mean, the doctor. documentary is just so good. And then when you watch Exhausted, it goes to a whole other level how good it is, where he's such a psycho about, I'm just stealing this one part, but I'm not just going to steal it.

I'm going to replicate it. And by the way, no YouTube's ever coming. Nobody ever realized what I did, but I don't even care. And then, you know, now we have the ability. For the nine people who have seen exhausted at the time of this movie coming out, like, yeah. That is one thing that I always really, really liked and kind of helped me understand movies about both him and Tarantino.

is, you know, they would get called out on the things that they were lifting from other filmmakers. And they were like, so what? They were like, that is movie making. Right. Movie making is seeing what came before you, iterating on it, trying to be more creative, trying to tell the story through your lens with their tools. That's every, that's all, that's all creativity. You know what it is, Sean? It's jealousy. It's deceitfulness and it's vindictiveness. What can you expect when you're on top?

So good. The Napoleon when he was the king. It's history repeating himself. Of the Roman Empire? And then the. And then we get the... So you guys don't think these guys read books. Then we get the block in the sex scene part was great.

But then I love when it ends. And it's like, Amber, that was so good. You're like a director now. There's three different scenes in this movie where people are sitting in front of an editing bay and talking about how good their movie is and their movie sucks. It's like Beyond sucks.

I love this whole section. I love the directed by Amber Waves with the music, too, where it's like... Bina-d-da-da-da-da-da-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Very 1980. When are we doing, would it be ice on ice? Like, what would be the name of your, the CR documentary? The CR documentary.

C versus R. The action is the juice. That's it. Next, I have Dirt versus Jack. Oh. What do you have? Would you throw something in there? You've got the touch.

Yeah, I've got Dirt versus Jack going right into you got the touch. But I guess we could split those. Oh, right. Right, right. I mean, it's not a rewerect. I mean, it's not a re... Is the colonel's arrest is after... Yeah, that makes me sad.

But it's like... I love the colonel so much, but that's when you're like, all right, you really... But it's crucial because you're just like, these people, like, of course! Of course this guy is a fucking degenerate. This was House's big point about this movie because, you know, House was an English major.

So he would... That was where we would always argue about stuff, but he was right on this, where he would say, this movie is all about, like, you're just... just a penalty for whatever your sins were you're

everybody who has a penalty coming to them they get it and the question is can you can you do enough to get away from the penalty or do you just get what you deserve and everyone in this movie who should get what they deserve

gets what they deserve including the colonel right and somebody like and then that brings that's a very interesting conversation that about why the Becky scene isn't in there right I agree I agree I think that that is

something that he wanted to show. I think he didn't want to show that in too many ways that who this industry really victimizes, especially at this time as the young women who worked in it. Well, we get, the last time we see her is at the wedding and they're moving to Bakersfield. He got a big promotion. In a way, it's like a happy ending for her. So you bring that other thing and it's like, well, nobody's going to have. I would have kept it. I think we all agree that

I think that should have stayed in. But I think part of why he didn't keep it was he talks about this in the commentary. for that scene. They have Walberg actually crash the car, which he says is like his biggest, he's like, I'm going to regret that for the rest of my life because Walberg could have been hurt. But Walberg's like, I'll actually crash car on the telephone,

Paul. So they had it, but one of the cameras didn't work. So they had to use the side camera, the accident. So I think that bothered him. And that's why he has to, that's why he's like, oh, I can get the vet fixed when they... Right. So we never find out what happened to the vet.

We never find out what happened to Becky Barnett. All that stuff would have been answered. But he made the point. he's like, look, when it doesn't work out for Amber and she's just sobbing hysterically after her child custody hearing, he's like, that's it.

I don't need to show the ramifications of porn through nine characters. Little Bill's already died. They bring Becky's boyfriend in and it's like, this is just too good to be true. Like this, like, how is this guy who's like working at Pep Boys and he's dating an adult

film actress and he's just like super cool with it? Well, it changes her future in a way to Bill's point. And if we had never seen the deleted scene, we would have just thought there are people who work in the porn industry and then they get married and they leave. And, you know, there's certainly trauma attached to it, but you don't necessarily go on that, like, get beaten by your spouse. But I think House's point is really true and interesting. I mean, Amber actually did deserve to be punished in some way for her behavior. I mean, she was a bad mom and she could have exposed her kids to dangerous stuff. Obviously, Todd gets what's coming to him because

He's a maniac and he gets blown away in this movie. Obviously, the colonel goes to prison and gets his ass kicked in prison. And Dirk, who does a lot of bad things, goes back. But nothing too bad. But he goes back to Jack. Yeah. His father, his Jesus, and apologizes and pays penance. And then he's taken back in and he's redeemed.

Well, apparently in the script, they find out that, well, in a deleted scene, the one that Becky's seen, we find out Johnny Doe has died in a car accident. in the script Johnny Doe was in a car accident and a head-on collection with Dirk's parents Yeah And it was supposed to be

Dirt goes back to his house And then he comes back at the end Cheryl Lynn is like living there And she's living there And she says your parents are dead So the parents get to just deserve too Of like they were such shitty parents to him That's right

Roller Girl was out of this Because Roller Girl is just skating through the movie right? Yeah but she does have that violent moment Where she kicks the guy's face in And that's kind of her reckoning With like her past private life that guy's getting what he deserved. Right.

Buck, who's this nice guy just sailing through the movie, he has the one moment where there's the violence all around him, which we'll get to him in a second. Also a great metaphor for the movie. He's kind of coasting. Dirk versus Jack.

You're not the boss of me. Yes, I am. Oh, you the king, huh? Yes! Don't fucking touch me, man. No, no, no. You shut up to. You're not the mother of me, and you're not my boss.

You're not my mother. You're not my fucking mom. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I'll go. I'll go. I'm ready to shoot. the scene, I want to shoot the scene, I'm fine.

I want you out of here. Look, it's over, okay? I'm done. Listen, I'm ready to shoot. I want you to... Don't you fucking call me your kid. What? I'll fuck you.

You want to see me kick some ass? I don't fucking karate. You want to fuck. You're fucking hell. You are fired. You're fired. What is that? Yeah.

You know what? What are the fucking... No, no. You know what? I'm the biggest start here, man. That's the way it is. I want to fuck. It's my big dick.

So everybody get ready. fucking now. You know what? I don't need this shit. You don't fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. You're not my boss.

You're not the king of me. I am the fucking king of Dirk. You're nothing without me, Jack. You're fucking nothing. Fuck this, man. I don't need this. This is such a cool scene. I'm so glad it exists.

And, you know, we found out in the oral history that Bert Reynolds was just a pain in the ass. There was a huge PTA versus Bert blow out the day before. some people theorized he was trying to wind him up so he could get the right amount of testosterone. There's also like if you watch this scene, to watch this scene after the Pacino DiCaprio, Muso and Frank scene, and once upon a time in Hollywood about like one day you're going to be the guy who's getting his ass kicked. Yeah. And it's like Bert Reynolds getting yelled at by Mark Wahlberg, you know, and he shoves him and everything.

But it's like, it's, you imagine Bert Reynolds is like, I don't get fucking yelled at. Well, he does hit him during the scene. Yeah. It kind of seems like he's grabbing at the headband. but he does kind of whack him. And Walberg's got so much. He turns into the guy from fear in that scene. And then everybody around them is just so horrified.

But Reynolds is great. Like that's where the physicality of Reynolds, the QB on the prison team, and you feel it. Like that's just a different scene. I'm so, I'm so angry. I'm on the verge of crying.

Like, you're not my mother. You're not my mother. Like, it's every line he has is elite. In that. Part of the movie, is sold on that conflict, right? That scene is in the trailer, you know, where he's like, you're fired!

You know, like that is such an electrifying moment in the movie and it's the chief conflict. It's these two guys. And this guy who's just like, it's my big dick. I'm ready to shoot, Jack. Yeah. I'm ready to shoot. I'm not shooting like this.

I'm ready to shoot. What state? It's so good. Reynolds is so good in that scene. He is a, oh! He does one of those at one point. It turned into like a Goodfellas episode. The first assistant director,

John Wildermuth said, I think the reason Paul Bated Bert is the next day we shot the scene in the backyard by the pool, blah, blah, blah. And he said all that energy between these characters was real energy that had been building and manifesting over the weeks prior. And then it exploded all in that scene on camera. And we go right. And he also does that you're not my mom, which was, you know, the lingering Oedipus part of this whole movie. And he just calls it out there. We go right from there to you got the touch. you got to pop

Which thank God that exists Both in this movie And then all the deleted scenes One of the DVDs has Riley Just in the studio room for like Five minutes doing like Yeah You got to touch and doing points

And playing the guitar And Tortor force You have to I mean this is basically It's like stepbrothers Before step brothers Yeah Totally He's got into full-blown comedy

And so Michael Penn Is working the boards Who's the composer And there is a really long extended deleted scenes of them talking to Michael Penn that might be the funniest thing about the mix

to ever not appear in a movie because there's a little bit of it in the movie it's definitely taking away from my vocal you know like that stuff where he's talking about to take the bass down but you can see that Riley is improvving with Michael Penn in that extended sequence it's very very special so Mark Wahlberg

intentionally singing poorly or not a good singer Oh intentionally singing poorly I would say intentional I actually think maybe a tiny bit too intentionally Okay. Why, what do you think? I don't know. I don't know. He can rap, sort of, but can he sing?

It's also just, like, that time period is, like, journey and bands like that were, like, those guys, like, I don't like those bands, but they can really sing. Like, those dudes were, like, vocalists. It was, like, so him try to be Steve Perry or whatever is fucking hilarious. There's, I was obviously smoking my fair share pot in the late 90s. What? I had a purple bong with a nickname and the whole thing. What was the nickname?

I've talked about this thing. in the past. I'm not going to share that. Amber waves. It could have been. It could have been Dirkigler. This whole part of the movie is so much fucking funnier, like when you're stoned out of your mind, where it's just like watching those guys sing feel the heat.

I don't know. There's something so silly about it that if you're in the right state of mind, you're just like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. And if you're a normal state, you're like, this is funny. It's somewhere between those two. I was also the absolute perfect age to see. this movie for this part because you've got the touches

song from the animated Transformers movie which of course was a big movie when I was a little kid so when Dirk Diggler starts singing you've got the touch I was like oh shit amazing you want to just skip forward to my awesome mix tape 6 sure

so there's a whole sequence here that is not a scene that I don't know if you'd say like it's whatever most rewatchable or anything like that but it's the one that he thinks the best scene in the movie, right? The Coke up Coke frenzy? The mom scene. Are you my mom scene? So it's

everything. It's lock and load, Jack, when Johnny Doe starts shooting. Yeah. And then you hear compared to what? And then, again, compared to what? A song that Scorsese has also used. And you see Kurt shooting the hot tub scene. You see Buck and Jesse trying to get a bank loan. Can he fuck me in the ass? You see the Todd

double entry in different outfits with cocaine, which indicates that maybe he picked up twice in one day. Yeah. And it's super manic Scorsese. It's total good fellas like, holy shit, everything is getting out of control here. Everything's going bad for everybody. They're underneath the table. They're doing the thing that we make fun of Scorsese for

but that PTA actually did, which is the snortle line and then whip your head up when your eyes explode out of your head. And then you go to the Robert Downey Sr. And arguing to get the tapes out of the studio. That's a YP. That's not an MPA. That's not an M. That's a YP. Your problem, you know.

I do love that part. That whole moment. And it's six scenes. crunched together in 90 seconds. And it's incredible. And those two fucking maniacs just like coked out of their minds being like, are you my mom? I don't want to be here.

I don't want to be here. Amber and Roller Girl all day doing cocaine in a room and not leaving. I love you, mom. I want you to be my mom, Amber. Are you my mom? I'll just, I'll ask you if you're my mom, okay? And you say yes, okay?

Are you my mom? Yes, honey. Yes, yes. Amher did a lot of cocaine in this movie Yeah, the first time we meet her Not a ton of side effects by 1984 either I felt like she would have been Either way skinnier or just looked a little more haggard

She looks exactly this game I'm gonna fast forward over the donut shop And the roller girl and all that I wouldn't call those scenes rewatchable We'll hit the mater My awesome mixtape 6 Dirk flatlining is It's been written about

Like they were really throwing the firecrackers for two days, and he actually, I think, had like a breakdown. Yeah. And they just capture it with the camera and it's amazing.

It's like, what, 35 seconds? I just, like, do they shoot stuff like this anymore where they're just like, I'm gonna, we're gonna play Jesse's girl

for like, a 10 minute, bad shit crazy scene? He was gonna get Jesse's girl and Sister Christian cleared. Like, so much of this shit

is just PTA going all in. And the idea of them hitting, he's like behind the camera hitting two by fours together to simulate firecracker sounds. Such a great. It's like,

holy shit. It's like apocel now. It's an incredible scene from start to finish. It's terrifying and funny. It's the summation of like everything he's been trying to do. I feel like Thomas Jane in real life became the guy from this movie because it was such a, they were so all in. I just think he might have become Todd Parker. If you could grow Todd Parker's mustache, would you? Yeah, definitely. Would you?

Oh. Big Bushy. Yeah, it looks like a fucking Civil War. Todd Parker and Scottie J are the two characters where it's just all the actor. The actor's just like I'm going to make some choices. I'm fucking going for it. This is all attitude

and look and... I think Thomas Jane's performance in that scene in particular is kind of underrated. When he he loses it and he's like explaining how he's going to go into the safe under the floor and he's screaming. In the goddamn master bedroom on the fucking floor and the goddamn fucking floor safe. So I also thought

like the one thing that we didn't remark upon about this scene where you're like and Todd goes and scores twice and one day and stuff like that is like right before though like it's my big dick and I want to fuck scene they've switched to meth

right like he says I don't know I always assume he says to him I think speed whatever speed is he says be careful that's not coke

right is that when they're talking about the pink stuff yeah yeah and so like dirks like I'm fucking having a aneurism all the time

like that I think a lot of the movie is shaped by that it might be part of the reason why he can't get it up too that he's changed his mixture, his medication. Well, you need a lot of blood, too,

to get that thing filled. The torpedo zone? Yes. Mr. Torpedo zone. Our three songs were Sister Christian, Jesse's girl, and 99 love balloons. Yeah. Fantastic choices.

Don't you love when Molina gets the words wrong in Jesse's girl? It's the first time he's hit them song. I love that. He'd never heard those songs before. So good. It stays on him. It's a little weird at the end

when he shoots those guys. guys and they leave and then it's like, all right, back to the house. Yeah, I'm sure the cops won't show up after the... Right. All right. And then there was a... Was there a deleted scene of Molina having a shootout with the cops or something? I think it was in the script.

I never saw that scene if it exists. They didn't share it. They make it sound like they filmed it where a helicopter shows up and, like, shoots him up. Can you imagine Bob Shea being like, you didn't put the fucking helicopter that I paid for this? Well, what's crazy is we have the donut shop scene. we have fucking Dirk having a jerk off in a church parking lot

then getting beat up and we have Roller Girl, right? And it's like, man, we've hit rock bottom. Yeah. And PTA's like, hold my beer. Yeah. And he's like,

I'm going to give you this 10 minute the craziest Scorsese scene that he's never filmed. And now I'm bringing another character you've never seen Molina. Now we're at the two hour mark. We have another guy

who's giving like one of the best performances of his life. I'm going to play these three weird 80s songs so we know we're in 1983 and everything is just going to lose its mind everything Malina says too when he's like you guys want to play baseball

what did that mean? I was going to ask Chris I know it's not code for drugs I think he's been awake for three days but what is cocaine baseball what is it? I don't think it's cocaine anything I think he's like he's being awake for like three days he's like should we just play baseball oh he actually wanted to play baseball

I think so I thought it was like a cocaine game oh no I thought it was like like innings. No, the whole thing with that character, it's like, oh, you, like, we just want to hang out.

Like, let's just, he was just, like, he was just, like, that was a lunatic. I thought that was, that was a weird.

I was like, he's just so out of his mind. He's just saying whatever pops in. And then, I think that's like the last truly rewatchable scene. We can do the end of the movie too, but that's,

that's all I got. All right, what do you got, Sean? Most rewatchable. The moment Floyd gondoli walks into the house all the way through

little Bill's murder. That's great choice. Great choice. There are no wrong choices, by the way. So what was the second half of the party where it's Little Bill, the Colonel? Yeah, that's... And the Colonel sees Dirk. Then I'm going with that.

That's mine. It's my wife has an ass and her cock right into the Colonel O'D, right into Scotty J, right into Colonel's advice for Eddie. That's mine. That might be the greatest, like, nine minutes of my life. It's very possible. May I see it? What's age the best?

We mentioned this soundtrack. 25 years of spouting out lines for the movie. His age is the best for me. It's still hilarious to me. We didn't mention this line yet. Jack talking about Amber, she's the best. She's a wonderful mother, you know. She's a mother to all those who need love.

It's like Trump. She's the worst mother ever. What are you talking about? Her kid has literally been abandoned. She's calling him at three in the morning. Sounds like Trump. Your lovely mother. Wonderful mother.

Scotty's outfits we met. Yeah. Just pushed it over the top. None of them fit. He's just crammed in all of them. I wrote down the best looking, best sounding, best executed DVD of the first 10 years of DVDs. I feel pretty strongly about that one. I think DVDs started to get good in the mid-2000s in a real way.

This was like six years ahead of its time. But he's a guy who grew up obsessed with laser discs. And so he wanted to have, and he talked about shit. What was the first commentary that he said? said he watched, I can't remember what it was now, but he said he listened to it over and over and over again, and he was like, I still think it's the best, I wish I could remember what it was.

Misty Beethoven? It wasn't the opening of Misty Beethoven, but he believed in giving viewers, like, the total package. And even the packaging of that, that yellow with the slipcase. I miss the laser disc air. I can't, it's like such a big miss for me. That really, I was right there. I was the only child.

I would have bought them. No? I mean, you make fun of me for buying my Blu-Rays, but this is my version of it. Like, I'm buying all these things because I love these objects. They're so fun. I know, but like early 90s when I really was like, all right, I'm watching these movies

over and over again and try to figure out what worked and what didn't work and I was just all in. I would have been right there with Laserdisc. I was buying fucking VHSs like an idiot. The players were expensive, right? They were also... I don't care. I would have paid for it. Yeah, and it was kind of like the way

stereo equipment was where it was just like, Jesus, I have a receiver. I remember the discs were expensive. I think the discs were like 80 bucks, 90 bucks. I remember like $50, $60 in the wall, like flipping through them in the records. Did they scratch easily, too? I didn't have them.

I didn't have a player. I didn't know anyone who had them. I think it might have been. I don't know if it was a West Coast thing or what, but I never saw them. I didn't really even knew they were a thing. You can count on at least 10 people listening to this show tweeting at you with their collections of laser discs. Because now those are like fucking baseball cards. I'm with it.

I'm just saying nobody in my, if I had even known one person in my life, I would have gotten super jealous. So when the DVDs took off, I was like, I felt like I was one of the first people buying DVDs. I was like, these are amazing because I hated VHS. Yeah. Well, the quality was instantaneously so much better. So much better.

Roller Girl, we talked about all the great stuff with her. I didn't mention when she does the talking about Dirk. He can fuck hard. He can fuck gently. He's just the best, which I then stole talking about LeBron. I'm trying to, you know, when I were talking about LeBron and calms about how he could play fast, he could play slow.

He's just the best. And LeBron was like, this guy gets me. Rob's like, thank you. The, I don't take my skates off and don't fucking comment me. It's just hilarious. The Reed-Dirk movie partnership. Yeah. It's just in the, whatever your short list is, you do Rocky and Apollo, and you just, you know,

Reggie Hammond and Jack Cates, whatever, whoever your duos are, they just, they have to be on there. The, we mentioned the first scene when everyone reacts to his giant penis. I could have more reactions. They could have gone around the room a little. I could have had the second sound guy. Dirk's room, posters of Bruce Lee, Cheryl Teague's fair and Serpico?

At a car, right? A corvette. And the corvette he buys. And the corvette he buys. No Tony Minero. Saturday Night Fever. I don't know, maybe that was not totally out yet. West Coast East Coast.

Yeah. By the way, like, he's 17 in that scene, and that's like, that's a 12-year-old's room. Yeah. You know, like he's, so you think he's, he's like, he's at like a, like a ninth grade reading level. Like, he's not.

You're really coming from. I just think it's so funny. Like, I think it's so funny that he's like, what if we got the dumbest guy ever and gave him the biggest dick ever? That's such a funny idea. Johnny Doe, his character is Rock Harder's. Yeah. Lock and load, Jack. I also think as for a wood stage the best, he looks exactly like Johnny Bananas.

Like exactly. That guy was in, I know, he was. She did last summer the same year, right? Which one? The guy who plays Johnny Doe was also and I know what you did last summer. It was a great year for him.

Oh, was it? Yeah. His 1997 is. That guy is. What's his name? Jonathan Quint, I think. Something like that. Quinn?

I'd say this, understanding the magnitude of what happened in the Colonel. The fact that all of his girlfriends in the movie look like they're 13 is, like, hilarious that nobody noticed

or commented on this. This was just part of the Colonel's package. Yeah. Even the girl at the award show who we don't even really You can see she's like 14. He's like, this is Jamie Lynn. And like, Scottie's like, yeah, whatever.

But they definitely drop the breadcrumbs. Like, this is where it's going with the colonel. We talked about scenes that shouldn't have been deleted, and I've talked about this many times. But my favorite deleted scene of all time is the fourth adult film awards when they cut to each person reacting to Dirk winning and you get to spend time with each character. And it's so fucking funny.

And he cut it. And when we, Sean and I did the pod with them, I guess, Craig, we can play that clip of that of PTA explaining why he didn't keep it. The Boogie Nights one, there's a couple of classics, but there's a scene that you cut that I'm still bitter about. Which one was that? Which one? The second time Dirk wins the awards. I've done a good job of not going full nerd on Boogie Nights. Sean was worried.

Paul might disagree, but, you know, we'll see. He might disagree. The second time he wins the award, he just goes up and says, thank you. And then it goes to the next scene, which I assume you did for pacing. you film the scene of him winning the second time and you cut to everybody in your crowd reacting to it and I always thought it was amazing

because it captures each character in like whatever their reaction was and it's like two and a half minutes long and I was always like that should have been the movie but I'm sure you had your reasons it's just an awesome two minutes you know what I'm talking about I know exactly what you're talking about

and it came into my mind the other day I don't apropos of I don't know what and I was remembering Don Cheadle sitting there with the wig in one of his wings on I was some outfit I was trying to remember what outfit he was in maybe it was like an earthwind and fire kind of outfit or something

and then I started and then for whatever that image came into my mind driving around in my car and then of course the floodgates open and you start remembering everybody else I really started smiling and I wonder if I don't think I thought oh that should have been in there

but I just had that kind of warm fuzzy memory of doing that. It could have definitely been the commercial for the movie. They just could have cut to everybody celebrating. Because it really did capture each person. True. Yeah. The little Bill and his wife.

Little Bill and his wife. She's making it somebody. Yeah, I remember some, she has, she, she, I think I remember in hers, doesn't her, doesn't, don't her, her eye like flowers, yeah. Her eyelash get stuck together. I just wish she kept it. And I actually think, and it's right before the 80s. On the director's commentary, is like, I just want to get to the 80s.

I didn't need it. We'd already seen these characters, but I just completely disagree. I think it's a great two minutes. I like the song, and it's on YouTube, you can watch it. The Malora Walters, when she gives him the award, right? Because there's an amazing story about that, but we can save it for office and her research for it. Just do it now. It's funny.

Well, it's just like, they had a room full of extras dressed in 70s garb. And Malora, what's the line? She's just like, I can't wait to have his cock in my mouth. She said like three inappropriate things. But like her ad lib from the stage was like, I can't wait to get this guy's cock in my mouth and like half the extras were just like, I'm fucking out of here.

And it had to go recast all the extras. We mentioned the intros. Read Rauchild as of what stage is the best, just a talented guy. I know he's kind of dumb. Yeah, magician, bartender, poet, songwriter. Could make margaritas. He knew how to cut pure,

Rock Cocaine. He could write music, play guitar. He squatted 350. He looked like Cane Solo. Good team guy? Yep. There's just a lot of talent, man. A lot of talents. So what's age the best is Reed Rothschild, solid dude. Multi-talented guy.

Yeah. Always had his friends back. Scottie J's meltdown, the Can I kiss you? Can I kiss you on the mouth? It's just been a funny joke for 25 years. It remains funny. This is like, that scene is like when Julia Lippin and I got the same car, pretended like we didn't.

Oh, you were doing it down? That's something that happened. Yeah, that was her Scotty J. moment. That was my Scotty J. moment because I got the car second. Did you know she had the car? I did and then blocked it out

and then I was telling her about it and she was like, I know I have that car. They went to the same dealer and did the same Lisa pre-owned car deal. Did you go in the car and go, I'm a fucking idiot! I like how it's a real film, Jack. and then when we cut back when he's sadly

walking through the porn warehouse and he goes and checks with Ricky Jay and he's like, it is what it is. That disparity. Veronica Hart is the judge was incredible stunt casting in 1997. She was one of the OGs. Everybody in my age group knew who that was. PTA calls her the Merrill Street of porn.

And she had essentially had Amber's life, right? Yeah. What do you got for? What stage is the best? Anything I left out? Just a cast. A cast that maybe had one Oscar nomination to its name

when it was made and probably has north of 25 now. Including people that won, right? 50 great movies out of that cast. Yeah, multiple people have won Best Actor and Best Actress in that group. And Wahlberg made Shooter. But just the incredible...

And the other thing, too, is it's not just that he makes this cast, but it's the beginning of putting together his troupe. Yeah. You know, and that Hoffman and Julianne, Moore and Riley and all these people crop up in his movies over and over again. So to Sean's point,

my what's age is the best also we've mentioned a ton of it but the way that thematic stuff ripples across PTA movies going forward from this so like the roller girl on the back of the limo Eddie getting beaten up by the guys

in the truck and Buck and Jesse at the donut shop is basically Magnolia yeah you're right he just like shoots Magnolia in Boogie Nights and then he's like I'm gonna make magnet like but that whole like what if we were all like just passing one another

and what if like this crazy stuff happened? And then also obviously with Julianne Moore. I mean, Julianne Moore's, like the Partridge part is essentially like an extension of a lot of the stuff he was playing with with Amber. Totally. And also you mentioned shortcuts in Julianne Moore and Magnolia being like a very self-conscious riff on shortcuts and the idea of like it's not so much about how people are literally connected. It's about how they're connected like in the wider world. Boogie Knights is about this crosshatching of all these people's lives. Yeah.

All right, let's take a break, then we'll do the quick awards. All right, quickie awards. Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness Award. I already gave it to spill the wine, but we should mention, you sexy thing when we meet Scotty J. And driver's seat when we meet Floyd. Like that. I'll just win the category any other time.

I'll keep best of my love in here as mine. I think... Oh, fair. Okay. Jungle fever kicks in when Jack starts scheming on luring Dirk into his family. and then do your thing at the conclusion of the New Year's E Party.

Big Cahuna Burger Award, best use of food and drink, the donut shop. Shopping for the donuts actually made me want donuts and still makes me be like, hmm. I think Reed's a margarita. Gras, yeah, that's what I wrote.

Over the donuts? I want a margarita now. Like, right now I want a margarita. He also, like, he has, like, the glass. It's like he's working. Yeah, fair. Okay, you drops the salt down and you try this.

Would you have for the Den of Thieves Benihana Award for Seen Stealing location? Hot tracks. Hot tracks I mean there's two I have Jack's house Jack's house I never really seriously

thought about buying hot tracks but I did really seriously think about buying the boogie night's house when it was available in West Covina what happened you kind of promised us you were like we're gonna do it we're gonna work out

at West Covina Ringer HQ yeah I think people might think we were joking about this but I really did genuinely think about buying the Boogie Nights house I never went because if I went

I think I would have ended up buying it I did the Google thing. My daughter had some soccer tournaments where you drive past there to go to Norco, so I was kind of clocking how long it was going to take and how far it was from L.A. And it felt like 15 minutes too far. Yeah.

And it didn't seem realistic. But then it was like, could we buy it and run it out and just do shoots from there trying to figure out that down there? What kind of shoots? Well, like, could we do like the NBA Over Under's podcast? We're just doing live for the Bougueness House.

Kind of a whole new twist on Take Hunter, you know? That's right. Well, at some point, it was like, wait, this is insane. What are we doing? But I still feel like, I still feel like that house was incredible because it was, even when it was being sold, like, three, four years ago. Yeah, it got bought. But it was, it was totally intact.

They never changed it. It was just old people living there, so everything was the same. And, yeah. That was one of the coolest things about the research is when they were scouting all the interiors and all, like, the houses and stuff that they would use. I think Ellswood talks about how, like, people had bought houses in the valley. Like, you could buy a home, like, on a modest income there. But then they had basically run out of money to update it over the years.

So a lot of these houses were still, all the interiors looked like the 70s and 80s. Yeah. Awesome. Who do you have for Great Shot Gordo for most cinematic? So we talked about the- lot of options for this. We talked about the steady camp. Yeah.

Can I just sort of random? My favorite shot in the movie is the shot of Amber. after her son is called and they can't find her and they're like Maggie Maggie when she just looks up and she's doing Coke

and she looks up and she watches Dirk doing like the cannonball or whatever I can't remember what's like a fool around and fell in love is playing no no it's lonely boy

okay yeah fucking incredible it's just first of all you're like Julia Moore is yeah

so radiant like she's just like eats up the entire screen it's so fucked up that's the happiest watching the entire movie. Child essentially jump into the pool, who is her surrogate son,

as her real son calls her at a Coke den porn house looking for her, and Maurice can't find her. And I just felt like the whole movie, it had so much, like, emotion in it, but it's like,

it's just a shot of an actress. I know you might think this is annoying, but that's like a deeply literary moment. That's like a moment you find in a great novel. It's like, it's a huge thematic thing.

I don't find that annoying. Where she's like, this is my son. I chose this son over that son. That's what that whole scene is. in 12 seconds. But they call it back later when Dirk finally comes back

and they're sitting on the couch and she's stroking his head like you would like for a seven-year-old. For sure. And like she got her son back basically. Also important when he has the fight with Jack and he storms off and reads like,

Jack, I'll handle this. And it cuts to her and her reaction to it because her reaction is the only one that matters. She lost her kid again. All right, we got super nerdy. A couple other shots. Yeah.

Going into the pool, we already mentioned. The sex scene, the first sex scene between Amber and Dirk, when it goes into the camera upside down. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. And then it goes inside the camera and we see the mag run out. That's a great check, ordo. Got in his fincher bag there. Major.

And he can do that shit if he wants to. It doesn't do that stuff anymore. The Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This Character was actually good at his job. Read Rothschild? Like, are we sure this was an elite porn actor? We never see him have sex? He was such a goofball. This guy's like just banging away there.

On Dirk's first day, Reed is just sitting in a director's chair wearing jeans and drinking a beer. And it's like, are you getting ready or like, what's going on? He gets replaced immediately. Yeah, I'm going to say Reed might not have been, I mean, he does get reviewed well because they talk about Reed Rothschild's supple abs or whatever.

But it's a real like, he's like the Chase Daniel of porn, right? Like he's just always getting replaced by the next young gun. the Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film Who do you have? I want to know what you have. I want to know where you have. You say first. One, two.

I had Jesse St. Vincent. I fucking knew it. I was going to say, I know. What the fuck is wrong with you? She's great. I don't have a weak link, but I know Bill's going to say Malora Walters. But she's really good. She's very good in the role.

I still don't know. what that role is. You think it could have been more with someone better? It's either should have been funnier or more interesting. That's why the one deleted scene with her, when she's talking about her career, was by far the most interesting scene she has in the entire movie. Otherwise, she's like, all right, give me five traits of this person.

You wouldn't be able to. I really feel like I know you well. I knew you're going to say that. Well, I have a recasting couch for her that I think you guys are going to enjoy. What do you have, CR? For the weak link of boogie nights? Yeah. I don't really have one.

I don't have one either. I kind of forced it with There are times where like Buck's plot line on rewatch is like I'm like I know Like there's not as much like I don't know maybe nuance to it or something But like it's I wouldn't call it the weak link of the movie

It's probably my least favorite of the major plots Nobody agree with that I mean it doesn't mean Cheetos bad Yeah it doesn't mean it's not well done It's just like after you've They don't get Buck a ton to do Well let's go to what stage the worst I don't know the lot

There was a surprise impact of Walbur and Reynolds in 97 that I think has faded because they're such a big part of this movie. We mentioned how Dirk and Rollerger are 17 at the start of this movie. I guess that technically qualifies it. But that, of course, it was definitely what was happening in that business. PTA's director's commentary is aged the best and the worst. I almost wanted him to do it again. He's pretty out of his mind.

It would be funny if he did the director's commentary on his director's commentary. Oh, my God. Because he like gets up and goes to the bathroom. Yeah, he stops to pee. He's just, he honestly sounds like he's been hanging out. from the last hour of the movie, and he probably was. I mean, you can see that even

in the making of, on the Magnolia documentary, too. It feels like he'll never do anything like that ever again. I mean, we've had a couple of really fun conversations with him, but he won't unload the way that he used to. But this was the greatest thing about DVD. It's almost like the first two years of Twitter when everybody has, like,

these crazy tweets are like, oh my God, I can't believe they tweeted that. Affleck's still pretty candid. Oh, my God. Remember the Goodwill Hunting Armageddon one? Armageddon one is just like he's focused. The Goodwill Hunting one. too.

Yeah. He's, they just didn't know. They didn't really realize that these were going to exist. He just like, he's just like, he's just like,

it's amazing. But nobody knew YouTube was coming. Nobody knew there was going to be a way to just screenshot, grab clips from things. And so we'll never have, that era's gone. Although podcasts.

What? Well, I think that people are like becoming, like, Marin is like essentially like the vehicle for that. But like, yeah, you're right. I don't think anybody will ever do something

where they're like, no one's ever going to listen to this. But he's so amusingly pugnacious and like smart alecky on the commentary. You're almost, you get like that media trained out of you. If you're a filmmaker or an actor or an athlete or anything. Like Olivia Wilde will never have her version of that for the terrible hair of styles. No, no. It's a really, it's a really fun time with that. And a lot of directors were doing them in that way at that time.

And it's just not that common anymore. I have another with stage. I have a couple more with stage the worst. Amber waves. Are we sure she was a nice person? I mean, she was objectively a sweet person to Dirk. Was she? I think she was an addict.

I mean, I think she was a real, like a full-blown addict. There's also, like, is it possible she was a horrible person? Compared to the colonel? The colonel's a 10. Is Amber like an eight? I think Amber's a, I don't know. In the world of boogie nights? I think she was a selfish addict who was the right person to be the caretaker of a lot of kids in that house.

I'll put it this way. caretaker she got everybody hooked on drugs including dirt you could take a step back terrible mother Jack Colonel Amber all the people in relative positions of power or like age are fucking predators and even in the first

scene yeah when roller girl now we're talking CR when roller girl goes up to the table to be like I got to pee Amber's like did you call that girl call her because you're going to forget and then it's going to be the weekend it's like she's probably like call this girl and get her into porn you know like they're scouting

young people. Well, and then Jack... There's even, like, is Eddie really like what Agee says he is? Like, I mean, yeah. Was Rolla Girl, like, a prostitute? Because Jack's like, hey, can you go blow this guy and the...

I mean, whatever. I think you could make... There's a lot of connectivity to that idea of prostitution and the porn industry at that time. You know, I mean, what these people were paid. And still. I don't think Amber Waves was a great person.

But a hell of a director. Okay. Yeah. Was she the first great documentary director or was a Barbara Coppel? I don't know. Yeah, it's such a legit question. The, uh, you think Barbara Coppels listening to this pod right now? I mean, like, what the fuck?

Who's ever waves? Um, this is my big, what's age is the worst. It really makes me sad that Bert Reynolds didn't like this movie, didn't like the experience, didn't appreciate it. And was, like, still pissy about it, eight, nine years later, 10, even in, like, 2014 he was like shitting on PTA PTA just bugged him he's such as

agro man's man I think he just saw PTA as this little skinny know it all filmmaker who was a he just didn't like him he was wrong I think of two more different people no this guy who was like I was in Smoky and the Bandit and this dude

who's like a post gen X like indecency like yeah um they did not get along when they were filming Reynolds fired his agent after he saw a rough cut. PTA, undaunted, loved working with Reynolds,

offered him a magnolia part. Reynolds said, fuck off. Did driven instead. He's very magnanimous to this day about Burr Reynolds. Do you think he offered him the Robarts part?

I think he did. If he did, that would have been a mistake. Because Reynolds can't do what Robarts can do. Philip Baker Hall said, everyone had to kind of walk carefully around Bert

because he seemed ready to explode. Macy said, we were in one of the scenes the bedroom, about smoking the bandit. It's the kind of humor that's got me in trouble before where I'm basically just insulting people. The idea being everyone will laugh,

you'll realize my insult is hyperbole. Wooey. I thought he was going to come across the bed and knock my teeth out. This Bill Macy. Thomas Jane said, me and Bert Reynolds got into it somehow. We started this shoving match.

Bert was cool enough to apologize. He bought me a bottle, champagne the next day, sitting in my trailer. I said, I'm sorry. Bert Reynolds just seemed like a huge fucking prick. I don't know if that helped the movie, but it seems like it did. Well, it's weird because it's not that energy.

Jack's like this incredibly tender guy. Well, Bert was a famous explosive, like, he had massive, he had some temper. It's interesting to think of Philip Baker Hall being intimidated by him, right? It's like, that's a guy who's really been around the block by this point. He's been a lot of sets. He's been around a lot of actors. He's fucking sitting in a room with Perina. Yeah, yes, exactly.

And still, he's like, whoa, Bert was scary. What else he got for what's Seager Worse? Living next to Jack? You imagine? A lot of, you think there's a lot of movement? You have like a pool maintenance company. You got a nice house in the valley. Jack Order moves in next door.

Neal Hartley's getting fucked in the driveway. And a guy kills himself. And that's Tuesday. Well, all the way up and two, the guy kills himself. Maybe it was a lot of fun. Yeah, I'm sure if you're like, holy shit, you know, like this is, what a night? Ama leaves is over there. We could just walk over and walk back.

Like 18 fucking cars pouring out of the driveway. You know, it's funny. It's a great point. Chris and I went to dinner. I don't even know if you remember this. Chris and I went to dinner a few years ago. and we were in the parking lot and we were pulling out

and as we were pulling out there was a woman standing on the patio in the doorway of the restaurant smoking a cigarette and I clocked her immediately and it was a porn star it was a porn star who I recognized

and I was like, it's big of you to admit that and I was like, do you remember this? Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, what a town. That was my reaction. I was like, what a cool place to live.

This is, we're, it was Pochay. It was Pache and Laurel Canyon. But I was like, that's fucking funny. That's so cool that that's a human that lives. And maybe the neighbors felt the same way.

Yeah, maybe. I have a package for a Jack Horner. No, that's next door, actually. You better bring that one over there. I don't want it. The only other thing that I thought age is the worst, it's really more than what age is the funniest, but it, you know, just in our hygiene conscious era, after Dirk's first scene, everybody shakes his hand immediately.

You know what he does? Actually, there's another version. of that that is so good. When Eddie and Jack Meade for the first time and he does the five or ten thing he's like, I've done it twice already tonight and then ten seconds later he's like Jack Horner and he sticks his hands. Every like fucking Macy and

Ricky Jay all walk over, shake his hand. John Riley sits down right in front him and is like you're a fuck machine. Fuck like a champ! Any what stage is worse for you? Or do we cover him? I think it's pretty sensitive about like

what this culture was actually. You know, it's not, it's not one of those movies where you're like, oh, this is kind of messy the way they did it back then in the 90s. Like, it's because it's a period piece, it has some hindsight already on how things were being operated. Ron Burgundy Flute Award for Best Time for a P-break. I'm going with Buck tries to get a bank loan. Like, we don't get to see how Becky Barnett's arc ended,

but I have to watch Buck negotiate a bank loan for three minutes. Last night, I got up and had some pretzels and hummus during the entire like dirt gets his ass kick and roller girl in their limo. We've just seen it so many times. You don't. That's the one that I don't need to rewatch. But I do think that the buck thing pays off, though,

because it makes the donut shop heist more meaningful. You know he needs money. You know he needs money. If you want to spend the rest of your life thinking Becky Barnett was happy in Bakersfield with Jerome, that's what we sacrifice. So we could watch. It is.

Watch Buck negotiated bank law. Did we even? Have we even said Nicole Ari Parker yet? No. No, I have her coming up. Okay. Best quote. I just, I narrowed it to three.

Did you skip? Was there a better title for this movie? It's coming. Best quote. Well, thank you, Eddie. It's a real film, Jack, or, oh, you think so, doctor. It's my final three. It's oh, you think so doctor.

Oh, you think so doctor is the most elite quote. I think we've ever done in any movie. I've said it probably like a thousand times in my life. So funny. Great stuff. A book about medals award for Belize. best quote or exchange. I mentioned she's the best.

She's a wonderful mother. In the limo, I don't know. This always used to crack up house that I when the limo scene starts going wrong and Jack Krooner goes, come on, be a little bit more respectful. This is Roller Girl. It's just funny for some reason.

These shoes are cool. Are they lizard? No, they're Italian. I had that one. Todd Parker going, I'd like to introduce you to my lap. it's always funny I think maybe she did too much cocoa you think so doctor

and then the catch 22 catch 22 gentlemen think about it you know what I'm thinking about man I'm thinking about kicking some ass that's anything else start down low with a 350 cube

three and a quarter horsepower four speed four 10 gears 10 coats of competition orange hand rub lacquer with a huge hube plane manifold full fucking race cams you should have worn the Thomas Jane

must have worn in the jacket. I think he could have pulled that up. If you had done Todd and I had done Scotty, I think we would have really been a great birthday present for you. I wish I could get that mustache going. What do you got for the Stephen A. Smith

had to take a word? Oh, God. Are we sure Dirk's dick was big enough? So, this is an interesting question. Interesting question. They initially in the research, they did a longer 12-inch version, but they just thought he looked like a circus freak.

also because Walberg is not tall. Right. John Holmes is 6.4. Mark Wahlberg's 5'7. They said it was 7 inches, which I guess flaccid, and they were probably trying to figure out how it compared to Holmes. Because Holmes is like, that's so, I guess it did. But I didn't think it was thick enough.

I would have gone thicker. See that? Part of my question. Now we're going to. Was there enough girth on dirt's digler? The key with Holmes was the girth. It was just, you know. Well, I mean, I guess the secondary.

You're like K or C breaking down one binama right now. You can't seem to do this right now on TikTok. No, it was just, it was, I think that it wasn't thick enough. That would have been my note. The secondary take is, do you ever need to see it? Yes. It was so funny and hilarious in the theater the first time. You have to.

No regrets. The whole movie is about it. What do you have for hottest take? Yeah, I'm going to know an answer to my question. What? About the size of Dirk Diggler's penis. No, we just agreed proportionally, yeah. It was the right size.

I would have gone like two inches longer and thicker. See, you didn't agree. I don't think it didn't occur to me. It was definitely big. Yeah. But it wasn't like the way everyone reacted the first time they saw it, it didn't match up. Did you think it was real? No.

Did you? No. Do you think that Mark Wahlberg likes that people think it's real or doesn't like it? Well, in the research, I can just do it now. He had to put his own dick in the prosthetic. And he'd walk around with the prosthetic. That sounds bad. Crazy.

What do you have for how to take? I just said. Was it big enough? What did you have? I don't really have one. Okay. I 80% believe this. I think Walberg should have won the 97 best actor over Nicholson.

Okay. I think it was a harder part. And I think he was great. Oh, you know what? I do that. I would redo that. I would redo that and give it to Walberg. Can I just ask you guys a question?

Craig and I were talking about this before we recorded. This is like a S.AS half-bake take. This movie isn't a movie without Goodfellas, though, right? It's like, is it so basically West Coast Goodfellas? And even though I know, like... Did Goodfellas walk so Boogie Nights could run? PTA has been like, I know everybody thinks it's Scorsese, but it's also Jonathan Demi, and it's like, I get it,

but it's also Goodfellas. I don't disagree. Yeah. It's Goodfellas with Robert Altman sprinkled them pretty heavily, it feels like to me. I mean, it's two guys reflecting on stuff they saw when they were kids, right? Sure.

That's really what it, that's ultimately... There's part, and I think this one is much more about family whereas Goodfellas is a lot more about, like, ambition and capitalism and stuff with their other things. Yeah, I have one more... But this movie has that, and Goodfellas has the other thing, you know. I have another hottest take that I almost hesitate to do, but if it got announced that PTAs,

was PTA. You said PTII three times. It's fucking amazing. PTA. I'm just old. PTA. I like the idea of Mike and Tony. If PTA did boogie nights, that's my hottest thing.

No, if it got announced PTA was redoing boogie nights. Your boy, the kernel. As an eight-episode Apple series, I think my first reaction would be like sheer delight and excitement. And then I would talk myself out of it. but the first five seconds, I'd be fired up. I've got a whole list of recasting couch for 2022. Okay, great. We'll keep moving then.

Casting what ifs. Maybe the greatest casting what ifs we've ever had. We discussed it with him. We came, I mean, maybe we should just play that clip. We asked him. Leo or Mark Wahlberg, what happens? So we'll play that clip. What was your big Boogie Nights battle?

Because I remember there was stuff like, was there one? Was there one? Leo versus Mark Wahlberg was the thing at one point, right? No, there was no... Urban legend. That's Urban Legend. There was no V.S.

Leo V.S. Mark, because Leo just didn't decide not to do the film. Oh, so he just turned it down. He did. But... It's one of the great what-ifs in movie history. I think it's for the best. That's my take.

I watched it this week. I was like, Walberg's great. He's amazing. I think it may be for the best, too. I don't know Leo is Dirk, or it's a little different. Yeah, I love Leo, and I loved him then because I was obsessed with Gilbert Grape, which John Riley was in his great, great movie. But backing up before that, this boy's life was this fucking amazing film, right? That's when I bought on my Leo stock.

I was in. I bought a little during growing pains because he had a couple great scenes with Kirk Cameron, and I was like, who's this guy? Wow, so you were in on the ground ground floor. I bought my Leo stock on this boy, this boy's life. He went toe to toe with De Niro. I know. And so from that point on, was obsessed with him. But I think you're right. I think looking back, I mean, it's impossible to play this game. I hate playing it, but Mark was great and he was right. And I'd like to look. Well, Leo and I will work together one day. And it'll be the right thing.

It's never happened, right? No. But it will happen. Come on, Leo. This is the movie I have thought about the most with what if it was not just one person, but multiple people. I think it worked out the best. I really do. I genuinely believe. Leo and Titanic was the perfect right, correct thing and Walberg in this movie is the perfect right, correct thing. Chris's point was right on,

which is especially in those emotional moments, those high-tension moments, you just wouldn't have bought it as much with Leo. I would have bought it too much almost. It's just a different movie. But you wouldn't have thought that...

It's an awesome movie that I don't know if I would have loved quite as much. That, like, loser, dumb guy quality that Walberg imparts in the character, Leo is like incapable of. Yeah. So, well, Joaquin Phoenix was also considered, but his brother just died and I think he ended up, maybe he did to die for. I don't remember if that was the same year, but I think it's, that's 95, I think.

It's something, they never really went after him, but I thought that was mildly interesting. It is. And it's all the, like, Affleck, Hawk, Bail, Damon stuff, is that just like everybody was considered for those things? I think it was Leo and then it was Wahlberg. Joaquin's so interesting because you can tell how much PTA loves him and how he's used him so well. I wonder if he was ready as an actor yet. He was young at that point. You guys even talked about on parenthood. He was good or young. No, but I'm saying ready as a believable for the older Dirk Diggler parts.

He would have been pretty young at that point. Wahlberg said when they were trying to get him do it, there was such great talent attached to it. Sean Penn to the Alfred Merlin a role. Robert De Niro was in talks at one point. In all the research, they said, the following people definitely declined Jack Corner. Sidney Pollock, Harvey Kitell, Bill Murray, Albert Brooks, and Warren Beatty.

And that Warren Beatty was several weeks of conversations about it. Yeah, and PTA said, or PTI, PTI, and PTA both said, that I started to figure out that Warren really wanted to play Dirk Diggler. And I said, you don't really want to play Jack Horner, you want to be the kid in this movie. And he said, yeah. I love that. So this would have been an amazing 1971 Warren Beatty part. But it also would have been, did Warren Beatty,

like, do a, like, wouldn't this be an amazing cap on the, like, his career, essentially?

He would have been really good. It would have been different because Warren Beatty is not warm. He's smart, and he's, he's, charismatic. There's a better,

he's not as, like, pull you in, like Jack was. When he accepts his apology and he hugs him at the end, has Warren Beatty ever done something like that in a movie?

I mean, that's just not the kind of actor is. But, what I want is a completed transcript in all the audio files of every phone conversation that PTA and Warren Beatty had

because those are two guys who love to talk about sex. I thought you were going to say movies. They do like to talk about movies and I'm sure a lot of their conversations was movies but like they're a famous there are all this stuff in the Warren Beatty biography about these long conversations

that Beatty and Nicholson or Beatty and Robert Town would have six, seven hour long conversations about pursuing women that are depraved and bizarre. Yeah. And Paul Thomas Anderson coming in his wake and making a movie that only exists, not just because of Goodfellas, but because of honestly, all the amazing stuff that Warren Beatty did in the 60s and 70s as an actor and filmmaker. So you've got all this reverence, plus that like that tinge of perversion, you know, like Beatty had a little bit of that.

But Jack Corner never has sex with anyone in this movie, and I'm sure that bothered Beatty. Bady would be like, hey, I wrote a scene where he has sex with Roller Girl. I think that needs to be in there. I'm glad it worked out the way it did, but I really would have been fascinated by Warren Beatty's Jack Corner. It's interesting. It's a different movie,

but I'm not against it. We have more casting what ifs. Sam Jackson turned down Buck. He was in heart eight. He would have crushed it. He would have crushed it. He would have brought a different energy to the part, and he would have crushed it.

This is also him when he was, everything he was in, you were like, best actor on screen. we just rewatch Pulp Fiction recently and I was like oh my god this is the best performance I've ever seen in a movie full stop I almost wonder

what happens to the Buck character if it's Sam Jackson because probably three four like think about what Hoffman did with Scotty Jay Sam Jackson has a different energy than Don Chiehl Yeah this is not a knock on Cheeto Cheeto's playing it a certain way He's playing him as a nice guy

Sam's gonna hog some scenery a couple times with Buck He's like, I'm a sweet guy who's like trying to figure out my look and who I am. Sam's like, what, I thought of another outfit change for Buck. What if he did this? And isn't Sam's energy

more believable as a porn actor? I mean, you would argue, yeah. I would love to see it. And it makes the movie a little bit more dangerous. He would have been the only person who was in Goodfellas and Boogie Nights. Yes. And Pulp Fiction,

that would have been the trilogy. I mean, that would be pretty good. Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, and Boogie Nights. We would have to, like, digitally, put him in a Shawshank. and that would have been good. The king of the rewatchables then. Paul Thomas,

Paul Thomas Anderson really wanted Malora Walters. Studio wanted a bigger name. He offered the role to Patricia Arquette knowing she would decline. For Jesse. And he'd be like, I guess I have to settle for this person.

She would have been great too. Trich Arquette is a pretty good one. I have a better option, though. He did not consider Heather Graham for Roller Girl because she'd never done nudity. But her agent asked if she could read for the part. She crushed it.

She went. Drew Barrymore was up for the role. That's a really interesting one because that's Drew Barrymore coming out of like Mad Love. That where she's still young. She's not rom-com, Drew Barrymore yet. Pre-Charlie's Angels. Yeah. Probably getting a little too famous, but I think she would have been really good as Roller Girl.

Scream is 96, right? So it's one year for that. Yeah. The casting director said, we put Tatum O'Neill. This is a quote, Christine Sheeks. we put Tatum O'Neill on tape for Roller Girl. She gave a terrific audition. I think she may have done something really brave with Paul.

That tape was top secret. You know what I mean? I actually don't know what you mean, Christine. Can you give me two more sentences? What do you mean? What do you think that means? I would never dream to comment. Tatum O'Neill was too old for Roller Girl, just for record.

John Torto turned down... For the record, like you're saying that? I think she was too old. She would have been like in her early 30s. John Tortoro turned down the offered Merlin apart. Yeah. He could have done it.

He could definitely could have done it. I'm glad I worked out the way it did. Nina Hartley got called in because Paul, quote, Paul had been a fan of mine when he was younger. I don't know who Paul wasn't a fan of, but I think the list was long. The man who Don Chita was talking to

in the stereo store was Michael Stein who played Dirk Diggle in the short film. We mentioned that before, but that's a little connective tissue. And then Downey's dad is the as the guy I wouldn't give them the tapes. I can't remember where there's some Nicholson stuff. I don't know.

I can't remember this is in the oral history or if it was just another research, but Marissa Tomei as Amber Waves. Ooh. Really? That's very exciting. I didn't catch that one. Hmm.

That's very exciting. Who else, if both of those are out, who would, I mean, now you start moving into like. Rebecca D. Moray. That's pretty good. That would have been good. I don't know if she's motherly enough, but She's closer to roller girl at that point.

Yeah, you're right. I'm just trying to think of other actresses from them. I mean, like a mid-30s actress, 33, 34 years old in 1997. Glenn Close? It's a little too old at that point. It worked out great. I'm so glad it was Julianne Moore. Okay, we are moving to the Ruffalo Hannah Rubenek Partridge

I think this has to go to Julianne Moore because she's already in the title of the award. I do with any more, honey, I can't. I just have fun now. It's just go and go and go. It's over. Too many things.

Too many things. Too many things. Too many things. Okay. Let's go walk. I don't want to leave this room. Neither. So many things, so many things.

So many things. Molina? Yeah, I mean, it's hard to give this award when half the cast is out of their minds on Coke or meth? Johnny Doe? That's right. Oh, yeah!

He's doing that whole thing in the port seat. Roller Girls' limo attack, I have that written down. But the winner is the donut shop robber. I don't know what's going on with that guy. He comes in hot. That guy is not Magnolian. We never saw that guy. That guy might have been on meth, though.

That guy did not go and have a big career. I have... A new award. Oh, okay. Good thing we need to extend this one a little bit. Let's do Best That Guy Award. It was Robert Ridgely because I never knew his name, but it's not anymore. I think it's the guy in the church parking lot.

Oh, what's that guy's name? I don't know what that guy's name is that I didn't look it up. I've seen that guy many times, and I'm always like, oh, the guy from the church parking lot. He participated in the oral history. Yeah, he's one of those guys. Well, the guy who shoots the robber in the donut shop is that guy. Yes, he is. I was going to throw this one to John Doe

Leadsinger. Johnny Doe's another. For X, but also his performance rivals Dwight Yoakums and Wedding Crashers in the musicians participating in custody or divorce mediation scenes.

I didn't think that guy was very good. John Doe? No, the guy, Julian Moore's ex-husband. So John Doe, the lead singer of the band X, is named John Doe, and then the character is named Johnny Doe, which is kind of the in-joke of the movie.

Yeah. but he's not he has acted in movie he's in some Vim Vendors movies and stuff but that would have been a good Bishemmy he's in Roadhouse he's in Roadhouse that's right I would have gone Bishemi

I have a new category because the Dian Waders Award I didn't want to clutter and I was thinking there's got to be some category between Dian Waders but then for a movie like this where they're not the star of the movie

but they're underneath the Andre Agu Dadaa Award Andre Agu Dawa Not one of the three main warriors in 2015, right, but brought specific skills to the table and was good enough that he actually won Finals MVP in the NBA Finals. But yet was kind of a glorified role player star

but not like you wouldn't put them on the poster. So our nominees for the first and probably only Andre Aguadala Award are Roller Girl, Scotty J, Becky Barnett, Todd Parker, Buck, And Maurice. Isn't it Reed? Reed's one of the stars.

The three stars are Mark Wahlberg, Julianne, Moore, and Bert Reynolds. I feel like Riley's one of the leads, though. Okay, so outside of the four, and you don't have... Did you see the colonel? Colonel's in the next category. Okay. He's only in three scenes. Colonel sixth man of the year.

You're talking about the finals MVP. I'm saying somebody who is a starter who wasn't one of the max guys in the team. Read the nominees again. Roller Girl, Scotty J, Becky Barnett, Todd Parker, Buck, or Maurice. Not Little Bill? Oh, I guess Little Bill's in there, too. I think it's probably Little Bill. Little Bill should be in there.

I think I agree with Sean. It's either Little Bill. I really love Becky, but... I do too, but I want to talk about her, but maybe not... Like, not for this category, right? Oh, this is... I think Becky wins. I was going to do a whole Becky case.

This is you're creating a category, basically, for Becky. No, I think it's for everybody, because you can give it to... I mean, Scotty Jay, you can give it all of them, but I love Becky Barnett. I think she's so good in this movie. And she just gets lost. She doesn't have, like, awesome lines except for the Chalk of Love. But the way she's always kind of pissed off in every scene,

but not too pissed off, got a little attitude. Like, she just feels the most authentic of anyone who would have actually been a porn actor in late 70s, early 80s. And I actually liked that she had a happy ending because I just liked the character. I like her a lot. We were talking before we recorded about how Nicole Ari Parker

never really totally had the career that maybe we would have wanted for her, like never got the parts because she's really funny in this movie. She's really, like, affecting. She was like mom and the member of the Titans. But I wanted to see her like,

couldn't she have led, you know, some awesome movie in the late 90s? She did. She works consistently, right? She was in Soul Food and then in the Soul Food TV show. Like, she's been in a lot of serious television over the years.

I think it was a different conversation if that deleted scene is in there. It's just like a completely different part of that character. I don't feel like the parts were good enough and people didn't think about black actors had to be in black parts, right? They just didn't... But it's a real, like, Halliberry Market Corrected her thing.

Like, they're probably up for the same role like a hundred times out of a hundred. That's where I was going to go with the Becky Barnett thing. This is a Hallie Berry part, right? I don't think Hallie Barry would have been better as Becky Barnett. The Deanne Waiters Award. First of all, congratulations to all the nominees. Yeah, seriously.

We have the Colonel. We have Floyd Gondali We have Buck Stereer store manager We have Alfred Molina Asbrahad We have the Colonel's cell roommate We have Dirk's mom Colonel's cell roommate

Yeah Dirk's mom Shut up Colonel Dirk's mom and Roller Girl's Classmate And really this comes down In the Colonel versus Floyd Gundali Which is

If the Colonel's in this category It's the Colonel But Floyd By the letter of the law Floyd is more of a Deon Writers' performance You know the... So maybe we moved the colonel to Andre Agu Dalla

so he can win Andre Goudala? But then we take it away from Nicole Ari Parker. Yeah. You know that... Should the Colonel just have his own award? The Colonel Award? The graphic from the Cavs Finals game where it's like LeBron 44 points, 12 boards, 13 rebounds,

Kyrie, 42 points, nine boards, 13 assists. That's the two of them in this movie. It's deployed and the Colonel is like, we couldn't have done it without him. Let's make them co-lead. They are co-leads. Co-winners. Co-winners.

Yeah. Co-waiters. Yeah. Incredible. Recasting couch. If Drew Barrymore is Jesse's St. Vincent, is this a better movie? Yes. I think yes.

That would have my pick. I think the Jesse of St. Vincent part is like the hinge of the movie? No, I'm just trying to make the movie better, and I love how it's casted. She's a better and more interesting screen presence than Malora Walters, but I really like Malora Walters. Okay. I really like her too. What do you have for her casting couch? Well, is this recasting with actors from that era or now?

Do whatever you want. It's your call. The number one thing that I just haunted me after I rewatched the five or ten scene is Josh Burlin as Jack Horner. Oh, if it was now. Yeah, if it was now. I have a whole list of everybody if it was now. Do it.

Clooney would be the default and I don't think it's the right choice. Didn't I don't think it's the right choice either. Hear him of the three that I think are interesting. Yeah. Costner. Costner is Jack Horner Wow Is he wearing the fucking hat

He's doing the whole thing Tupe? Yeah Does he do his like I almost cried face? He has to The first time, Dirk Sean, this is great

You've already won the category Keep going Second choice would be Mel Gibson Yeah I want to He's bringing the Mel Gibson baggage Okay third choice twist Brian Cranston

I think he'd say Brian Curtis for a second I got super excited Brian Curtis would watch. I would watch that. I don't know if he's best for the part. Cranston is such a ham. And he's, as we know, from his relationship with Jesse Pinkman. He's good at, you know, extending to the previous generation, the next generation.

So that's Jack Horner. Amber Waves, no-brainer, Jessica Chastain. This is the easiest pick of all time. He just wants to see Jessica Chesson. I mean, let him cook. Yeah, you're right. She's too old. What about it?

She's like almost my age. What? Amber Waves has to be like, do you think that Jessica Chastain is almost your age. She's like 40. Isn't she like 45? Even if she was, she looks as good now as Julianne Moore looked then. How old is she? 28. She's 45, but

Yeah. Works for me. Oh, you just love Chastain. Dirk, um, you got, you got to, you got to No, I want to hear it. It would be either Harry Stiles or Shalami. No, it's like,

there's something sitting right in front of us, guys. What is it? You just run back to Dirk and Reed is Teller and Powell. They're too old and too cool. Too old. Too old and too cool. It would be funny, but like, isn't Miles Teller like 30? What about Teller and Powell as Reed and Dirk

and then Tom Cruise is Jack Horner? I think 10... You know I want that. I think 10 years ago, Zach Ephron would have been an awesome Dirk Diggler. I think he could have done it. Yeah, he could have done that. And he has that same like if he's smart or not thing. Shalamee is not. I don't think he has the physicality.

Maybe not. But he, those two guys are like a representation of the way that like male sex symbols have changed. Those guys are fucking desired. And they don't look like Walberg. But we're setting this in 1979, though. Your girl, Sidney, is obviously Roller Girl. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not, it's the easiest job in America.

Yeah. Just make the Christian Collar right now see if he wants to do it. Who is Roller Girl is a good, roller girl is a good snapshot for who's got the juice for that category, just in general. I have two more for that. I think a twist would be Florence Pugh. What about Anya Taylor Joy? That's Roller Girl? Yeah.

I think part of the roller girl... She doesn't seem as like... No, it's serious. I can't believe that she would be from the Valley. Jonathan Majors is Buck. Sure. Jesse Plemons is Scotty J. That's pretty good.

That's pretty great. Yeah, that's pretty good. Jesse Plumman's a Scotty J is good. What's like Kirsten-Dunst is, Amber? That would be good. She's also like 40. Yeah, she's too old. But she...

I mean, I think that would be good, too. It's somebody who's in the 32 to 33 range whose career really started going about... Is Scarlett too old? She's 40? She's probably about 42. I don't mean to age it, but I'm just like... I feel like Amber is in her late 20s

that started this movie. I thought Amber was in her early 30s when the movie started. But Scarlet Johansson, Kirsten Dunst, and Jessica Chastain, even if they're all in their 40s, they look younger. They look a lot younger than that. Yeah, Chastain could probably pull it off. Wouldn't you watch that remake? Yeah.

Even if it was terrible? Yeah. If it was an eight-hour Apple TV Plus series. Headline by Costner. Can I throw one more out for Amber? I got the most excited for this one. Margot Robbie. Yeah.

Yeah. I was going up a tiny bit. Ugling up a tiny bit. Maybe like dark hair or red hair or some sort of weird hair color. Five short years ago, she would have been roller girl. Downey Jr. in the Jack category now, but also could Downey Jr. have been Dirk Diggler in 1996?

Because you know how close PTA was with his dad? I don't know if that would have been good for Robert Downey Jr. He's out though. He's clean though at this point, I think, by mid-90s. But I think he would have been a really good dirt. Isn't he in like U.S. Marshals and then still kind of go off? Yeah. You think it's a dark time? I don't know. I can't remember.

Would he have been a better read? maybe he could have done the comedy stuff though he would have owned that all right we're take one more break and then i swear we're going to race through the rest of this okay i have a things you may not have noticed from boogie nights that i've noticed from the last 25 years first of all jack sees dirt for the first time there's stars hanging in the background just from the bar that has to be intentional that's great when uh they leave they leave uh hot tracks for the first night little bill gets the parking ticket you really got to look for it But you see the car

of the parking ticket. Little Bill walks by them, good night, and then he goes, and he goes, geez, and he grabs the ticket. The second annual porn awards,

Dirk wins, and he walks by Scotty, and Scotty goes for the double high-five, and Dirk walks right by him, and he kind of high-fives himself. It's really funny. The colonel laughing his ass off

during Floyd Gundal his big monologue is one of the funniest parts of this movie. It's the same limo driver for the Colonel at the beginning and Jack Horner in the limo scene Yeah he's like picked up that guy's option

He's wearing the same suit Like he's just he's out of a time machine The combo for the donut shop Safe is 69, 69 69 69 69. It's also the login For CR's laptop When the Colonel Cellmate hits him The glasses land in the prison cell toilet

Okay I thought that was cool And then I mean most people notice this But they walk by the little bill painting At the end and that's right where he shot himself when he walks by that hallway. Is this the closest

you've ever watched a movie? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. What compelled you about to do that? To be like, it's not just that it's fun to revisit and have on in the background,

but that I must study. Yeah, well, did you realize, like, oh my God, every time I watch this, I notice something different. I don't know. It's been 25 years of it. I think it was when

it was on the illegal cable box all the time. And you would just have it on every day? And I was just, and I would just notice something different every time. Half-ass internet research They flew out to some place in the Midwest called Hullabaloo Then they had a 35,000 square foot warehouse of unused clothes from different periods

And that's where they got all the clothes for this movie There's a cut scene apparently with Ron Jeremy and a prison cell with Ridgilly I don't know That's why this is half-ass not sure I believe that The um The Bert Reynolds PTA stuff This guy John Lyons

who worked on the movie He said You know Bert Respect is extremely important to him Like many actors Frail in terms of his ego Paul didn't really understand that He probably understands it much better now

Bert felt like He was a man of stature And this little whip shit kid Was he doing that And everyone seems to agree He either almost hit PTA Or as he was about to hit him

somebody grabbed his arm, but he's definitely going to punch him. He's the thing that happened. Reynolds said after, personality-wise, we didn't fit. I think mostly because he was young and full of himself, as opposed to Bert, who's old and full of himself. Every shot we did, it was like the first time that shot had ever been done. And then he goes, I remember the first shot we did in Bougaints where I drive the car to Gromond's Theater.

I thought it was Gromond's theater, which was funny. After that, he said, isn't that amazing? and I named five pictures that had the same kind of shot. It wasn't original. But if you have to steal, steal from the best. Like, settle down, Bert Reynolds. Burr-Reynolds just shouldn't, never talked about this movie.

John Lyons, the producer also said, a lot of funky stuff happened in that West Covina house. A lot of stuff that was right on the line between the porn world and the real world was being recreated. It's an oral history of the oral history. There's a lot of talk about So they cut out, Little Bill blows away, you know, Harley and the guy.

We never see them. They film him blowing away, and they said it is like a dirty hairy movie, basically. And it's so violent that they ended up cutting it. But as they're filming all those, there was a lot of debate about whether she was actually just fucking this guy. And all the stuff about the screenings and people cheering when Little Bill does that. And then when he kills himself, everybody was like, oh, God. People seem to agree they did, it was another porn actor who was the guy she was having sex with. within the scene and people thought they were fucking.

And then Nina Hartley said in our old history, we weren't fucking, I just had his dick between my legs, which, um, I wouldn't fly in 2022. Not even positive how that goes, but, um, how does it go? She said,

she said, we were not really having sex, but my partner was not, you know, taped down. We hit it in the old-fashioned way between the tops of my thighs. So there you go. You guys have been taped down.

Yeah. first penis sculpture was 12 inches the penis they used ended up being 7 I mentioned the Jeff Flynn story so the original oral painting of Dirk Diggler sold on eBay in 2001 for $500 Did you say oral painting? Oil painting

I can't barely speak but in an hour four oil painting The oral painting Next on PTI, oral paintings And so for 500 on eBay and then was resold in 2017 for 3,000. I would pay 10 right now. That sounds amazing.

Right now. A Dirk digger oral painting done by Jesse St. Vincent? You said oral painting. How's that about $50,000? Oil painting. That time I said oil. Okay. Do you like her painting style?

Oh, it's terrible. It seems a slightly more abstract than she intends. You know, I think she thinks it's very representational, but. Chris, do you know why the song Boogie Nights was not actually played in this movie even though it's a real song that's really good? Could they not clear it? It was by a band called Heat Wave.

Johnny Wilde Jr. Johnny Wilder Jr. A devout, born-again Christian was the lead singer. He's like, no fucking way you're playing. Interesting. Probably didn't say fucking. He's like, there's no way you're playing my song.

Can I give you my... Oh, good. No, go. No, I was going to say, like, my favorite half-ass internet research comes from the oral history. Yeah. Is Robert Ellswitt?

First of all, Robert Elleswood trying to explain to his wife that he was going to make this movie and her being like, sure. I'm sure it's going to be a great film. Yeah, sounds good. And then he said that he and PTA watched every existing porno that was ever shot on film. I mean, you know, research.

Yeah, that's a lot of time. That's like Bill prepping for this pot. That's right. To watch every 35 millimeter porno ever made. Speaking of porn, Jamie Gillis is groundbreaking on the prowl series, which started in 1989. was the thing

that spurred on the limo scene on the lookout is what Jack Horner calls it On the lookout Gillis said he was horrified When his work was parodied in Boogie Nights He said that in 2000 Horrified, huh? Yeah

Jamie Ghost did some horrifying things He said Oh my God They're taking my little joy And my little treasure And make it ugly stupid and violent That's not what it was to me Settle down Jamie

That's all I have for half-ass Unless you guys have anything else We've covered everything else that I had really fun deleted scenes. I have two that should have been kept, the fourth of Dota Awards, and then the New Year's party, actually three, I guess,

the New Year's party. I like the Dirk and Jesse. And then we should just talk quickly about that Becky Burnett deleted scene. I would urge people if you love this movie to go watch on YouTube. He uses Fleetwood Max Tusk. And he talks about in the commentary for it,

that he just always loved that song and thought it was so cinematic. and there's a marching band, and he, like, couldn't wait to put it in the movie, and it really hurt his feeling to have to cut it. And was that why he had to cut it? He cut it because he just felt like it was taken in off the highway. I really like the fact that in that scene, she calls Dirk,

and it kind of, like, connects Dirk back to that world while he's in this Todd Scottie. Not just the world, but he's the leader of the clan. He has become the most important person in this family, and that people are leaning on him, and it shows you that in a really good way. I mean, the scene itself is amazing. It's really scary when Jerome knocks the door down.

It's terrifying when, you know, Becky gets her revenge on him, everything that's going on with Dirk and Todd and all them. And then also later in the film, when they pull up to Rahad's house, we see that Dirk's car has been destroyed. And in fact, he's there to get money to repair his car. That's the whole impetus effectively for Dirk agreeing to go with Todd on this drug deal. So it actually makes the movie deeper to me. And I don't really think it takes you that far afield if you just plug in this three minutes.

It's also just like once you're at two hours and 45 minutes. What's the difference? Kind of like this podcast. PTI said that we had a lot of porn. We had a lot of violence already. This is justification, but it really hurt his feelings to cut it. Good to know he has a line. The deleted for a reason includes of the scenes we didn't mention yet.

There's one with Buck giving Amber car stereo advice in the van. So funny. And there's just kind of more of everything, but you can find all that stuff online. Apex Mountain. Mark Wahlberg, no. No. Paul Thomas Anderson, no. Are we sure?

As a filmmaker for me personally, yes, but I would say no for him career-wise. Here's what happened. We went out to dinner, the three of us, Jeff and Coppumann and Levine. And Coppulman very pointedly said, Sean, what's your ranking of PTA movies? And I shared it, and you got really mad because I didn't have Boogie Nights one. Yep. And you do. I do.

So does that make it? his Apex Mountain if it's your favorite? No, because I don't think he fully had the juice until there will be blood. Until there would be blood. I think that coming out of that movie, then he can make anything he wants. I don't know if that was totally the case until then.

I agree. Where does it for you on your list? It's two. Two. Yeah. It's two for me. It's two and there was a time, I think, before, like, maybe the last year or so

where I was like the master was up there. they probably switch places. They're just so different. I mean, the master is so different from Muggy Nights. Apex Mountain imported Italian leather. I mean,

Ricardo Montevon talking about leather. Maybe that's it. What about David Preval's jacket on the Sopranos? Oh, that's good one. Give you my jacket. Donut shops?

No. Has there ever been a better donut shop moment? I mean, what good donut show moments on there? So donut shops in cinema? Yeah. I would say yes.

Ridgely, yes. Yep. Nina Hartley, I don't know enough about the twist and turns of Nina's career, but I would say as a mainstream actress, yes. Phil Hoffman background acting. Would you go here or Magnolia? Here, here. He's just in that one shot, Magnolia.

He's in that one shot, Magnolia. He's amazing in Magnolia. Bert Reynolds, no. Thomas Jane. Not Hung? House loved Hung. I never liked Hung. First season was pretty good.

Good premise. I'm going to say 61 for Thomas Jane. After you played Mickey Mantle, I was like, this guy. That's good. A-plus Lister. Will you be watching Aaron Judge on Apple TV Plus tonight? I will not. Okay.

Heather Graham. I'm going to say Austin Powers, too. This era, though. Sure. Coming out, Austin Powers, too, it's like this is going to be one of the biggest stars of this decade. Is it crazy to be like she was the sex symbol of my teenage years? I guess there was the like Anna Nicole Smith, Jenny McCarthy.

Like there was a wave of Carmen Elektra and all them, but for actresses... Well, look who she's competing against. It's like Jennifer Love Hewitt. I mean, she was definitely the best actress of the bunch. Yeah. And it was often in the best movies. West Covina? Definitely.

Yeah. West Covina's in my craziest girlfriend, right? I've never seen that show. What was Julian Moore's Apex Mountain? Because it's probably not Boogginette. She's had an unbelievable career. Or was it Booganette's? The Hours?

Did she win for the hours? No, she won for the... Alice, which is a makeup for not winning for the three other times she was nominated. Gosh, it's hard to say. I mean, every maybe far from heaven, the Todd Haynes movie. Yeah, that's good.

Because she's like, when that movie came up, people were like, wow, Julian Moore might be the best living actress. The case for Boogie Nights is coming out of this movie, she was all of a sudden could get any part she wanted, so, maybe. What about... You got the touch? Would you go, this or Transformers? I think this for me. Okay. What do you say, Chris?

What about Big Beautiful cox in mainstream movies. Seriously. It's not real. This one isn't real. Well, I didn't say they were real cocks. There's a huge dick shot in the movie Bruno. The Sasha Barron Cullen movie.

Ricky Jay. Might be. I like him a lot in House of Games. Yeah, me too. Movies about porn. Yes. Luis Guzman. I wish Jacobi would come in here.

He would say it was How to Make It in America. It's also out of sight Yeah, out of sight I would go over this for him Can I I, I'm being completely serious Does this movie have the best parties In movie history?

Incredible question Movie parties Yeah That's pretty good I can't think of like Project X Yeah But there's like a couple

Like I'm sure I'm not thinking of it But these parties in this movie Are fucking incredible I'm with you But if you went to one of these parties Your life would be over Yeah That's true

John C. Riley Apex Mountain? No, Step Brothers. Step brothers. Or Chicago. William H. Macy, Donchie don't know. Yeah, Chicago. Yeah, I'm in here for an Oscar.

That's what I'm saying. And everybody was like, wow, he's also a song and dance. Or Jerry Bus. I mean, that's the other thing too with Riley is like, Riley is still crushing. Yeah, still going. 22. Character's name, side characters name Floyd,

I have this over Floyd and true romance, but it's close. They're in the finals. I have Floyd, true romance. Over Floyd Gondali? As a name or as a character? Your Gondali is in two scenes. Floyd For romance is in two scenes

That's true He just represents your essence I know Penn brothers Is this an apex tone For any Penh? I'm surprised

Sean Penn didn't play Rahad He was up for that Or he was up for that He read it's upsetting He should have been in this movie Especially because Michael was in there It's funny how many times

He's been rumored to be in a PTA movie They're clearly friends And he finally did it to play William Holden in liquor For like 10 minutes Yeah so long. Bob Ridgely,

100% yes. The song, Sister Christian and Jesse Girl? Jesse's Girl? I mean, I suspect 1983.

Yeah, Jesse's girl was probably when it was released and it went to number one. Sister Christian, I think this movie's the 8% though. But Jesse's girl still

like goes really hard on the radio. Can anybody name another Night Ranger song? No. Okay. Me either.

Philip. Philip Edgar Hall? Did they bring her to lose your love? Use your love? That's the outfield. That's the outfield. Yeah, that's a huge Patriot song. That's played in like three minutes left of close games.

Lose Your Love is? Do you guys have close games still? No, you're love, you're loved by the outfield. Oh, what's Lose Your Love? I didn't like that joke. Is that a different song? I don't want to use your love tonight. The whole crowd sings it.

It's great. Philip Baker Hall, yes. So that's like when Mack Jones has been immobilized? I don't know if they're singing it as much these days. Receita has a film location. This is a Karate Kid. Oh, yeah. I think it's Karate Kid.

recita just feels more important It's either this or it's Tom Petty mentioning recita That's all I have for Apex Mountain I know it was a lot So was this their Hall of Fame Plack movie I'm just gonna throw this for Walberg

I'm gonna say yes I think yes too It's the best movie that's built around him Yeah I don't know if it's his best performance What would you say his best performance Well I get such a kick out of him In The Departed

I know but it's not built around him though What do you think about the fighter? No, it's not close to boogieettes. But it's not close to as a movie. I still think of that as a Christian Bail movie too. Supporting character of the movie's built around. All right, so we'll disagree. That's Rayshard's name.

I'm going to give you Dirk Diggler, Mr. Torpedo, Eddie Adams, Johnny Doe, Colonel James, or Spanish Pantelonis. You're not going to have Brock Landers as your horse name? I should have had that down. Okay, first of all, the colonel. That's your horse. Can you name a horse Dirk's cock?

Big beautiful cock Or here comes big beautiful cock! Or what I would want is full fucking race cams. That's good. I like that. My personal favorite is Spanish pantalones. That's good.

I would absolutely bet on that one. Was this the right title? It's boogie nits. I mean, we don't even need to do that one. Yeah, I had like Amber Are You, my mom. I wrote Dirty Movie. That's good. Oh.

All right, now it's time. We're picking Nits. I can't wait. The distance between Torrance and Reseda is 33 miles. Eddie's taking the bus to fucking Rissita to work at a disco. But we know why. I know why, but it's 90 minutes round trip.

But he is waiting to be recognized in the valley because he has this dick. Right. So he's like, how do I get in? The unwritten part of the beginning of the movie is why is Eddie in the valley and why does Jack pick him out? And I think it's supposed to be like

the word on the street is if you want to get an adult movies you go there. Eddie's... I just wanted to pick Torrance. I get it. I get all the reasons. I just wanted to pick Torrance. Torrance is too far for Merceda.

Everybody has their one special thing and his dream was to be a big star. He would have to be from like Tarzana, right? I actually like it. Tarzana. It shows you how ambitious Eddie is and that he is destined to become Dirk.

Eddie charges five to look at his dick but 10 for the jerk off. just terrible pricing. Like, how about... What do you charge? Two for the... Two for a glimpse and like 20 if you want to see me jerk off.

Two, like, I just don't... It's only $5 more for a whole jerk off. Guys, then you're working with a lot of singles. So it's like, give me a five or give me a 10. Not here's two bucks. Go $5.20. I just don't see it. How is that only double a value?

The whole point is that he can just keep doing it so it doesn't matter. This is Jimmy Carter's America. You know, inflation and everything. everything. Things are tough. Who's not just paying the 10? It's only an extra five bucks. I get to see the jerk off. Oh man. Here's 10. It's all about value.

It's all about value. The money ball move is the 10 bucks. That's right. Yeah. Amber comes home from the club after doing cocaine and smoking cigarettes and having drinks. It's like 2.30 of the morning and she calls her ex-husband and see her son's up. Yeah. Enjoyed this. Directly, she's just like, I'd like to say hi to my son. It's like he's asleep. He's in

He's in the third grade and he's seven? Yeah. Poor Ambie. Andrew. I have issues with the four people Floyd brought off the street as the stars of the future. I think they could have tried a little harder. They all looked like runaways. Yeah, I think it's supposed to be...

These are the real people in the world? Yeah. Come on, Floyd. The difference between porn being aspirational and porn being, like, desperate in the 70s and 80s. But that's just my real... But I always thought that it was the opposite. That, like, if you look at porn stars in the 70s, they look more like... like normal people.

And then porn stars in the 80s start to seem more like these freakish, you know, cosmetically altered. What does Floyd say? He's like, hot fuck action.

Hot fuck action to the max. Yeah. This is a big one. How does the donut shop have that much money? Donut shop has like $10,000. There's $100 bills. Who's paying for 12 donuts?

Well, maybe they just aren't doing drops every night. Maybe that's like a month of deposits. I don't know. What's your donut of choice? there was 20 there was enough there's enough money for that

that he can open us isn't that whole scene almost like a dream though like I don't know there's a part of it that almost it has like that's why I think of it is like magnolia where it's like the frogs falling it's Fairclore or Apple Fritter for you Also two people shoot

I've always been a fritter guy and you were a fritter guy and I think I took that from you I think I learned that from you Fritters are elite I am a fritter guy They're really good Do you like Boston creams? I suppose everybody wants to know

I like fritters Fritters and cinnamon rolls. That's where I live. Yeah. Fritters for me. Two people, shoot three people. Just want to point that out. Shades of reservoir dogs.

Yeah. Another, I can't believe you just gloss over the donut shop. You guys like, it's fine. $15,000 in 1970s. Do we ever find out how much money he gets from it? He's a whole bag of $100 bills.

It's a fucking donut shop. Maybe it'd been a few weeks since the owner came around to pick up, you know, you never know. I mean, I guess you're right. The owner has a $69, 69, 69, 69. combination of the safe. Who knows? Maybe the owner

is doing a little Todd Parker business on the side. Oh, maybe he is. Yeah. Maybe it's a cocaine business. Oh. There you go. See, Rahat actually owns the doughnutia place. I knew if I kept nudging CR, he'd come up in an answer. Buck's Egyptian look was just fucking insane.

Who would be in a porn movie looking like that in 1980 with the whatever that headdress thing was? Come on Buck. Yeah. He's shit to get him. He looks a little bit like, yeah, I was going to say Rick James. Yeah. He's clearly riffing on the street.

Terrible. Street songs, yeah. How many porn scenes could they have shot at Jack Horner's house before the audience got a little tired of the four locations of Jack Horner's house? Well, I mean, if you're dressing it, if you give it like the Spanish hacienda look, you know? Did you learn Spanish from watching Spanish pentolones? I did. It's mostly a very specific endelousy and dialect, though. I have something just to say about Jack's house in general.

Yeah. So I mentioned how miserable it would be to live next door. the night Is it the night of the New Year's party that the colonel gets arrested? No, it's before that. Okay, but do the cops ever come to Jack's house after? No, it's after that.

So the cops don't come to Jack's house when Little Bill kills himself. Yeah, it cross my mind. I'm sure that they do. Because the whole thing the colonel says is like this girl O'Ds at my house and when they come they find all this child pornography. So at Jack's house when they get

there and everybody is out of their mind on cocaine anyway and this guy's killed himself and killed his wife and her lover they're just like otherwise everything looks good here sir you can just keep going about your business or jack on the colonel no cops come oh they get rid of little bill's body and the body of neon hartley oh my god well that's pretty grim well did they get rid of the girl the colonel and floyd are there well the girl in the first thing they get rid of but she's not dead they drop her on the front of the hospital. That's the place. That's right.

Those other people were dealing with. Okay, here's how I read into it, that the cops did have to come because there was a murder suicide at the house on a New Year's E party. And sure, there's Coke and a lot of illicit stuff going on at the house. But it's 1979 in the San Fernando Valley. Yeah. Of course there's cocaine in the party. Like, it's not as if it would be the biggest scandal of all time.

No, but I'm just being like Jack just is like drinking an orange juice. But what did he do? Like, what is he culpable for in that case? If there was a murder suicide at your house He's getting interviewed at this thing. Sure. You'd be in headquarters all night. Let's bring in Paul Thomas Anderson.

Paul? PTI, what do you think? He didn't put that much thought into it, I bet. Why is Johnny Doe such a fucking loser when he meets him? He's like, you're Turk Tiggler. It's like, what's wrong with you? What did you have too much coffee? I like it better when they're, right before he gets into the fight with Jack,

where he's like, I'm an actor! Shut up! Such a terrible actor. Why did Johnny Doe get invited to Becky's wedding? You get the impression that the social circle is pretty small there. I wouldn't have invited him. I think Jack was trying to impress him as he's luring him. What happened to Cosmo, the Chinese guy, during the drug shootout?

During 99 left balloons. That's a very good question. That's a great question. He's just hiding in the bedroom? Yeah, if he's playing baseball. This is my big one. This has bothered me forever. Dirk's broken down.

He's a drug addict. He's got no money. He's hanging out in a church parking lot so he could basically jerk off for like $10. He's in doing gay porn at this point. This is what happened to John Holmes. John Holmes, when he hit Rock Bottom, he started, moved over to the gay side.

And they made he made probably like, I don't know, 10 to 12 films, which I found out about. E-True Hollywood story about John Holmes. I just think Dirk's moving over to the other side for money. He's still a big name. You assume he's like the biggest star of his era one of the biggest stars. I think that the implication is like at this point he's not reliable enough to even show up like on set or whatever, right? Because he's partying with Todd.

I think that's a better scene than this church parking lot scene. It's him going to film. I just saw the downfall as like being in a very compressed period of time. Like it's as much as like a month. Oh. And so he's having like the worst month ever, but it's not so long that he can't be redeemed with Jack. Okay.

Because it goes from like January 83 to March 83. So I think it's been like two months. That's right. Yeah. And he's kind of like crazy. And he's crashed his car. He does. And we didn't even say that there were Hod Jacks

and the whole sequence is inspired by the Wonderland murders. Right. Like everything that happens there. And it's reasonable to assess. assume that if something like that happened to you, that you'd snap out of it, and you'd go back to where people take care of you. Any of their pickinets? No.

The Dirk never trying to coke for the first two years of his porn career thing. Yeah, that's like bizarre. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Dana Trao, Catherine, Calforda, Steve Bouchemy, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsher,

Philip Baker Hall. You know what, Colonel? You're going away a long fucking time, big boy. Long fucking time. Get his ass out of here. Thanks for the help, Supercock. There's also a motherfucking brick in this movie, for sure. They use quite a bit of cocaine.

Just one Oscar who gets it, PTA? Yeah. Yes. I can't wait for these. Probably in answerable questions. I can't believe we're almost done. Was Jack gay, bisexual, asexual? What's going on with Jack?

How's he getting his rocks off? He's post-sexual. Yeah. I think he, one, has seen too much porn. two is older and maybe the equipment doesn't work anymore doesn't drink notice he asks for a seven up

when he gets the contract So he's a recovering impotent alcoholic Does he not make the cocktail for himself? That's a really... I think he drinks. It's not a rewatchable scene but I do love when they get home the first night from the club

and he comes in and he puts on the Chico Hamilton Quartet this kind of soft jazz and he's in his house by himself Amber's gone into the bedroom to call Andy and he makes himself a drink and we see the insert shots

of him dropping the ice cubes into the glass ultra 70s production design and I think that drink is for him we don't see him drink it but I think he drinks I noticed that at Hot Tracks she's like all of a margarita

and he's like all of a seven-up He's just not he doesn't abuse anything Yeah The only time we really see him clicking with another person in a way that feels a little sexual

is when he meets Dirk He's turned on for sure by Dirk He's an artist. But it's like, it's, well, I mean,

we made the Ben Solac joke, but it's, it is really like, like a, like a, I thought of that like five days ago. I was like, I'm going to use the name

Ben Solac on this pod to Bill. Of sure he's excited. It's more like, um, like when a baseball scout goes to the Dominican and sees a 16 year old and is like, that's my career. It's a billion dollar arm.

I identified that. Well, a related question. Did Jack and Amber sleep in the same bed? I think everybody's sleeping everywhere. well you know Dirk's sleeping in his dojo right but I get the impression

Jack's got like a five bedroom crash pad how did it go for Sherrilland's next few boyfriends post Dirk it's a bad beat it's a bad beat

do you think she like winds up with like Steve Sacks that would great Cheryl Lins just like you know like watching Fernando pitch my boyfriend Kurt Kemp That was the other twist in the script that we never see is that

Sherilyn buys Dirk's parents' house and she's living in that house when he goes back to visit them. Yeah, that's too weird. I've got that in from that. Did Little Bill's wife deserve to die? I like Nina Hartley's read on the character. I think she's right on, which is that she keeps doing this to challenge Little Bill to step up to be a man, not to kill her, but to like take her back.

I don't think she deserved to die. I just want to float out there. What was up with Dirk's dad? I think he's just like beating... What happened to that guy? I mean, he's spending the most time with Joanna Gleason. I'm sure he's getting an earful every day. It's a hard life.

That one of the cooler shots of the movie is, you know, when she's screaming at him and then he does a quick cutaway and the camera whips around to Dirk's dad sitting alone at 4 o'clock in the morning on the bed, fully clothed. He's not like in his pajamas. Just sitting there quietly listening to them fight. That's haunting.

That's some sad shit. It's rough. He's a very distinct character. What do you think happened to Amber's documentary directing career? I think there was one and done with fire and fire. I think she went on to make the Paradise Lost films. She made the second look who's talking.

Did Todd Parker appear in porn films? No. I think Todd was the drug guy. He was a dancer? He said he was a dancer. Was he dancing for a woman or men? So Rahad, when he sees Rahad, he says, you know me from the club.

Yeah. Rahad is gay. Presumably he's dancing in a day trip. Or just at a Chippendales and I think can like, could men would go to Chippendales, right? Or is that only women? I actually don't know. I don't know either. I just always read Todd as like he's basically the dealer and he's the one who's running all over town and they're like, here, take my 200 bucks and please come back with him.

But he does dance, right? He says he dances at the beginning. In 1980, he's dancing. But by the time they get to 83, I think he's mostly. Oh, he's transitioned. Yeah. What year did Roller Girl finally take off her skates? I mean, are we assuming Roller Girl has a long happy life? My question here was, did Roller Girl get her GED?

Yeah, I think she got her GED. Like about 1989, she's like... She's still a Jack's House, right? Yeah. Right. Like around 1989, she's like, might be time to take off my skates finally. I mean, she must have Planner Phocytis, you know? She must have...

What did the skates smell like? Like, she said she never took them off, like, ever? in the shower? I don't know. I haven't thought about this. It's a good question. I have two more and answerable questions.

Three more in answerable questions, but do you guys have any before I do these last ones? Did Dirk regain his porn fame on video? Like a comeback. So he moves into the late 80s. Now it's like him and Peter North and a couple other guys.

Yes, he's in that era of porn. Is it working for him? I think he probably, if we're modeling this after John Holmes, I think he's dead in like 1987 of AIDS. It would be my guess. Yeah, this movie doesn't have any mention of that. We should have asked PTA that.

When did Dirk or Die? Would have been a great last question. Plenty of time for a sequel, Paul. I have another important question. Yeah. Did Buck Swope start Spotify with Daniel X? Four channels. But it's the version of Spotify

that only has country music. He's the silent partner. That's going to be the Netflix series. He loves audio fidelity. Okay. If Rahad shooted, shooted.

If Rahad shot, it's really, we're in an hour four. If he shot one of Dirk or Reed, who would you have wanted to save if you had the ability? PTA is like,

one of these guys needs to die in the scene. We got to say Reed, Reed has too much to offer society. I agree. So easy. Reed was going to entertain the mask. with his magic for decades.

Reed is a literature, literature, music, magic. Margarita Maker. What happens to his poetry? Personal fitness. When I did the top 20 characters with House, I had Reed number two over Dirk, and House was outraged.

That was the question I asked him. Who would you have saved? And he was like, oh, I would have saved Reed. I was like, that's why he's higher than Dirk on the character scale. You're right. You should start asking this for every movie. It's just like, if the shootout at Rodd's house,

who do you save? Is that new character? One bullet. Yeah. but it could be like broadcast news one bullet that's funny Holly owner William hurt and Albert Brooks are the shootout at rods

who you'd say one Oscar followed by one bullet is pretty good Andy or Red one bullet I'd if you guys want to hear I planned out what the rest of the songs were on awesome mixtape number six

okay you should post this as a playlist sister Christian Jesse's girl at 99 love balloons so we have those So we know we're rooted in like that 1983, early 84 range. I think, do you really want to hurt me by Culture Club is 100% on there? For sure.

Always something there to remind me, my naked eyes, a little peppy. Hungry like the wolf, Duran Duran has to be on this. I think he works in Little Red Corvette by Prince. Stand back by Stevie Nix, who Rahad probably did Coke with in 1981 somewhere. Separate ways by Journey? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Would you go on with that or wheel in the sky?

I would go separate ways. Yeah, okay. She's a beauty by the tubes, sunglasses at night by Corey Hart. Yeah, no-brainer. Just recently used a note by Jordan Peel. And then I think the last song on the mixtape on Side B

is Jump by Van Halen. Oh, that's dynamite. And that's what I have. I spent an hour and a half looking at this. Probably a little too long. I went through all the best songs. Dad, what are you doing? You want to have a catch?

So it's like, Dad, can you help me with math? I'm like, hold on. I'm going through the top 300 songs of 1982. I'm imagining what Rahaad and Cosmo would listen to next? Dad, what are you doing? Nothing. Did you said safety dance? Oh, safety dance.

I'm going to add that one. I feel like safety dance would be a really good. How many songs are on awesome mixtape number six? See, I think they have more of a power rock vibe going there rather. I mean, I know 99 in Red Balloons is on there, but you guys are veering more new wave than I imagine Rahad being. So safety dance, no? is this 83 it's like 83 84 range

slippery one wet's not out yet I got one oh what give me all your loving by Zizi top yeah yeah that's on there Rahad loves exterminator I've had that the other thing is that jerking back and forth by Devo

is the other song in the deleted scene with Becky that's the second that's when Dirk puts the A track in and it switches one I think that's really funny because it's like does Dirk listen to Devo but two that you could see Rahad being in a divo.

Sure. Some guy at the clubs, like, you gotta check this out. I mean, whip it, like, come on. My last non-answerable question, where the fuck was Ringo? Like, where was he? He searched for him the whole movie.

Was he dead? Was he hiding? That's a great question. Never found out. What's your double feature choice? I had a bunch, as you might imagine. I narrowed it down in two. Well, if you want to get really cute about it,

Wouldn't it be fun to see the opening of Misty Beethoven in a double feature with Boogie Nights? Like a real true 70s porno. Oh, an actual porn going into boogie nights? Is that a great idea? What's that? Is that a Damiano? I don't know who, do you direct that one?

I don't know who directed that one. Sure. That's widely considered one of the best, quote-unquote, like art porno films, like narrative porn films. Or Jade Pussy Cat. And that was the PTA one that he loved. Goodfellas and Raging Bull obviously

are like the two major ones for him. Nashville, he talked a lot about. And then I think also Wonderland. that crime movie that was made in the 90s with Al Kilmer, which is not like a good movie per se. No, that's not very good. I was going to say hardcore.

Oh, that's great. Oh. That's great. Yeah. Kind of the other side of all this. Hardcore is a good one. That's a great call. But, I mean, two major bummer movies at the end.

That is one of my favorite scenes in any movie ever. Can I watch it in the theater? When it's just cut into George, she's got like, oh! Oh! Oh. But that movie, people say like Boogie Nights is actually not that sexy. Hardcore is not sexy at all.

No. That movie's grim. Very. There's a grim, like 78 to 81 sex life, sex world crossed in the... Yeah, Star 80. Yeah. There's some really dark movies. My double-featured choices were...

American Chiglow, kind of. Same thing. Yeah. Old Trader is usually at the center of these movies. I had either Nashville or... I thought it would be interesting to watch Hard 8 and then watch this movie as a double feature. Or this into MacDowley is.

So what do you think of that one? I don't know if we've ever talked about that. I think it's a fun first movie. I'm glad it exists. I think it's such a dramatic step up to the second movie, though. Yeah, I agree. The Indian Red Zawatna Award

for what happened the next day. You answered this, Sean. What happened to Dirk, the rest of the 80s? Buck developed streaming audio technology. Buck works for Spotify. Amber waves, her whole nasal cavity must have caved in. Roller Girl became a mom of three kids. Okay, what piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?

The prosthetic penis? Right? Would you specifically, Chris, what would you use the most in your life? I would like the pre-accident corvette. Yeah, it's pretty sick. But it's always easy to pick the car. What about just getting the dojo ported into your apartment? I also like the first outfits that Brooke,

Scotty, and Reed get together. That's good. Yeah. It's like, yeah, we do look like we're in a band. I have the house number one. Oh, yeah. The paintings. I love Jack's blue road van that they take.

That van is just fantastic. I would buy that right now. Oh, my God. The Spanish Pantolonez poster is unbelievable. That's good. And there's, I was like freeze framing.

There's a bunch of posters that they made for this movie that they probably just threw out that they should have saved. There's, when he's walking through the videotape archive, you can see him on the sides. And then there's that one behind Jack

when he's meeting with Floyd when it's like something Amanda, it's an Amber Waves movie, but it's like Amanda. Something. They mentioned it earlier in the film. Yeah. Well, there's like,

Inside Amber and Amanda's Ryan. But I think the posters would have been cool. The little Bill painting is kind of grim, but would be pretty neat to throw, like, in the basement. Yeah. I had Dirk's Corvette. And then awesome mixtape number six would be hilarious to have. That's great.

Like, what's that? But I think it's the house or the van for me. Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson. Everyone's blessed with one special thing, Sean. That's what I took away from this movie. How about you guys? don't do cocaine No way drugs

Yeah cocaine is Stay away from cocaine And then who won the movie PTA? Yeah PTA Yeah without question I mean I think that Everybody who is associated with this

Got a boost It's hard to imagine Taking anybody out of this movie And being like Oh it's the same movie Or it's better But PTA is When's the movie

Well he earned himself A two-part rewatchables That was almost four hours I think we won the movie I called him PTI three times I almost couldn't speak at one point there during the last hour. Sean said Spotify, our parent company is built on a house of pornography. I'm an actor.

I'm not a pornographer. Stop saying that. Before we go, producer Craig, who just had to sit through us talking about boogie nights for four hours and probably has 95 minutes to make. What did you think? You're almost as old as boogie nights. Yeah, that's true.

I just love that if somebody hopped into the middle of this pod, like 220 minutes in it's just you guys sitting back just like slowly talking about if you're a fritter guy or not that's a sign of a good pod I mean I love Boogie Nights obviously

I just love all these movies about like ensemble cast of young people who are just like figuring it out aimless I love like young L.A. people like the Dirk Diggler like I'm gonna be somebody I just like I love that storyline always works for me like anytime you grab somebody who's like trying to make it

in LA maybe I relate to it a little bit or something like that Um You're sort of the dirt digler Yeah Yeah

Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh no I had a question about The Johnny Doe stuff Walk in load Bill Does PTA hate

New porn Like it seems like He like in that montage About like post Dirk digler porn They're mere He was like Mener and grosser

Does like PTA like Did he think like Other girls have implants Yeah It's like Is he like Porn was good

Back in the 70s When they were like Putting it on film trying to make movies. I think all those guys feel that way. Well, one, they grew up with it, right? But also, it was better made. I mean, they were trying to make movies.

Some of them are bad. But, I mean, 80s porn is like, dumb as shit. It turns in the 90s. That's where all that cable guy stuff comes in. Yeah, exactly. The fucking funniest thing in the Tarantino pod that he did with Amy, when he's talking about the Jor Damiano stuff, he's just like, and let me just say,

I guarantee you, I've watched way more porn. and then Paul Thomas Stamson. It's right, he does. Also, Sean, shout out to Sean for saying he recognized the porn star, Laurel Caden. I was like, well, I did. What can I say? Points to Sean.

What generation is she from? How do I know her? I'll never say. That house, the Jack Horner house, why don't, here's a half-baked idea. Why don't, like, wouldn't you pay to recreate a party in that house or, like, build a house that's the replica of that? And you would, like, how is that not something you can do?

You can, like, pay to a party in a movie house. It's just like Airbnb. and then you probably get arrested. But there should be a company that recreates movie houses and you can go party in them. That's a hottest tape right there. First of all, great idea.

Second of all, they have that diner on the corner of, what's it, Wilshire and Fairfax? Swingers. That's not open. Oh. And it's just run it out for movie locations. So you can basically do that with Jack Horner's house. Yeah.

Just like have parties here, and then it costs $28,000 and you can have it for 24 hours. Yeah, that sounds amazing. amazing. It's my 30th birthday. You're all invited. Sounds like something we should ask Daniel Eck about. Can we rent the bogey night sounds? Let's ask Daniel Eck and Bucksworth. The co-founders of Spotify. Yeah, Craig, you can have your wedding at the Jack Corner House. How'd that go over? It's a great idea.

We like the movie. So the first step, we've accomplished it. Yeah. Let's go to West Covina. Watch Craig get married. You are cordially invited. Liz, I hear you have a great big wedding ring. May I see it? We're glad you liked it. Thanks for producing the last episode of The Rwatchables. Craig Horleback, Chris Ryan, thank you. Sean Fennancy, thank you.

Dylan Burkey, thank you as well. And maybe we'll see you next week. Come on. Don't play with people. Who knows? What are we doing next week? Who knows? Is it just because you had a birthday?

We're doing a Viking funeral? I don't know. Maybe this is the last one. We'll see. We'll find out. Enjoy the rewatchables, Craig. You earned it.