The Rewatchables - ‘Catch Me If You Can’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: February 28, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey only know what people tell them, and that is to rewatch Steven Spielberg’s 2002 hit ‘Catch Me If You Can,’ starring Leonardo DiCaprio and Tom Hanks. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Learn more at Wells Fargo.com forward slash active cash terms of play. The rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer podcast network where you can find the big picture with Sean Fentasy. What are you up to, Chris? I continue to crank, Bill. Thanks for asking. You're still cranking? Oh, congrats, man.

Yeah, we're in our last season, just like succession. The watch, you're wrapping it up. Why don't you ever ask me if I'm cranking? I don't understand. Because you're still in your prime. Yeah. I'm like Westbrook. So what am I doing?

Like power lifting? Like you're slowly grinding it out and I'm up. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. My name is Bill Simmons. This is the rewatchables.

We're about to talk about a movie that George Santos has reinvigorated. Catch me if you can. It's next. Topical. Frank Abagnale Jr. had a life any man would envy. I'm a pilot. I'm a doctor. I'm getting back into law.

The only problem was. Special Agent. Ready, FBI. None of it was true. Your son is Fargey Checks. Just sell me how much yours and I'll pay you back? $1.3 million. Leonardo DiCaprio.

I'd like to take you out for a steak dinner. Tom Hanks. I love my job. In a film by Steven Spielberg. Catch me if you can. Rated PG-13. Starts everywhere Christmas Day. All right.

Fantasy December 2002. Yeah. An absolute buffet of major movies. of this happened because of 9-11 and things were delayed but we had in november harry potter this and died another day came out and we're huge december looks like this 126 adaptation analyzed that 1213 about schmidt drumline made in manhattan star trek nemesis 1218 lord of the rings twin towers no two towers two towers yep not an homage to the events of the ring's two towers 12 19. 25th hour

Antoine Fisher 1220. Gangs of New York 2 weeks notice 1225 catch me if you can the movie we're doing now. 1227 The Hours and 1227 Chicago and the Pianist. Were we ever so young?

I just couldn't believe that as I was looking up. All of them became Oscar movies. Did you do a triple feature on 1227 of the hours the pianist? I was here in L.A. working for a Kimmel show by myself seeing every single movie. Although I don't think I saw the hours.

I bring this up because Leo, who we hadn't heard from, basically except for the beach. And then he does gangs in New York and catch me if you can and they come out within five days of each other. One of the weirdest Hollywood things

I think I can ever remember. Do you remember this? This is when you're falling in love with movies. I do. I was in Ithaca college at the time. I was driving up to the, the local Cineplex every weekend watching movies. Yeah, well, Gangs of New York was like one of the all-time disastrous productions, right?

So it was delayed for a long, long, long, long time. And so it's weird that the studios opted to do this. This seems wildly illogical now to put who he wasn't quite the biggest movie star in the world at this time. But he was about to make his bid, right? That's what this conversation is probably going to start to be about. Yeah. And they put a Barnes-Corsese movie and a Steven Spielberg movie starring the most exciting young actor in Hollywood

up against each other. On a Friday and a Wednesday of Christmas week. Do you remember this, Chris? I kind of vaguely recall it, yeah, about Leo being all over the place in December that year. Because Leo Titanic becomes the biggest thing ever. And then the beach actually, I was like really excited for the beach. I was Alex Garland's book and Danny Boyle, yeah.

It was cool. It was a good kind of zag for him. But then it's like, all right, what's going to be his next big thing? Oh, he's got this Scorsese movie that's coming out in 2001. Then it gets delayed, delayed, delayed. And then they basically double Leo us. Yeah. And I feel like it hurt both movies, although gangs in New York is a lot more flawed to catch me if you can.

Catch me if you can, I think belatedly has become kind of awesome. It did well in the movie theater, but it was like a slow burn for me with it. And I think it had a lot to do with how many movies came out in the six-week span. Yeah. Yeah. And I think also, I mean, it's such a nostalgic throwback movie. It feels very light on the surface, even though it's a very dark film. in a lot of ways.

So I think in some ways it felt like a little bit more disposable like Spielberg taking a break after like Minority Report and some of the stuff that he had been working on. But this starts essentially I think

a 20 plus year run for DiCaprio that makes him easily the most impressive movie star of the last two decades and he basically only works with Scorsesey, Spielberg, Eastwood,

Ridley Scott, Interatu, yeah, and Quistocin and Quistocan. and Quentin Tarantino. The rest of... This is his application

for the job of the number one movie star in the world. That's what you would do if you were a lead actor, Sean. We were just talking about this. It's just like,

like, what's Chazelle? What are you up to? You got a part for Babon for me? I mean, but how can you go wrong? Even if you're in the director, like the director's all-time stinkers, like Gangs of New York is one of the lesser-loved

big Scorsese movies. Jay Edgar is, maybe, maybe Clintis was worst movie. Yeah. But like, Shutter Island. It doesn't,

everybody looks at it. Shutter Island is really good. Everybody looks at the choices, though, and they're like, that makes sense. That makes sense because this is high-quality material, high-quality people. And he never fails by doing this. I mean, even his movies that are not as successful, we give a pass because it's like, he made Django. He made Wolf of Wall Street. He made The Departed.

He made these movies that mean so much to us. These two that he does together, I think I was way more excited for gangs in the moment. Oh, yeah. It just felt like, oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, it's him versus Daniel Zay-Lewis. It's Scorsesee doing... Going backwards.

Cameron Diaz was red hot at the time, and it just felt like this is going to be one of the biggest movies of this decade. And it was fun to see in the theater, but it had some real... I mean, Cameron Diaz is awful. I don't even think we'll ever do that one on the rewatchables. That's not even a flawed rewatchable. No, it's tough. It's a tough watch.

It's an interesting movie to talk about, though. It is like... There's a lot to break down about what happened with the production in Harvey Weinstein v. Scorsese. There is a lot to it. So you think like... Season 13 of the rewatchments. Possibly. Well, also, DDL is sick in that.

Yeah, he's amazing. It's one of his best performances. But this one was more of the, oh, can Leo, what is his career going to look like as an adult? Yeah. And this one, he's great. He's awesome in this. Of course, he doesn't get nominated as an Oscar or for an Oscar, but I think for the most part, you watch this and it's like, all the seeds are there for like, this is going to be a guy who matters now for going forward. We felt that way in the 90s, too, but he still had to be in movies. like this.

Yeah, he was not Jack and Romeo, but... Yeah, I'm kind of a bad guy, but I'm rooting for him to get out of this anyway, and then it ties into this other piece why this movie works, is these weird movies where somebody's a bad person, but you're rooting for them to get away with it. Yeah, I mean, he always works. The hardest thing he had to do was grow up, right? Like, so, like, he could have been stuck doing... He's 27 when he makes this movie, and he's playing a 16-year-old, and I think he might

have gotten stuck in the perpetual... I mean, Shalomey's kind of in this zone right now where it's like, you're going to be playing a 19 year old forever and keep getting cast as the prince. And Leo managed to graduate. He managed to become an adult acting movie star. And he basically gets started like eight years before the superheroes come in. And because of that, I don't think he ever wound up going. I mean, now he like purposely, obviously, did not ever choose to go into a Marvel or DC movie.

Yeah. And it essentially... Kudos to you, Leo. But it's along with, it's like him and Denzel are the two guys who are like, can still open a genre movie and not have that, like, that franchise IP behind it, right? Yeah, I think, I mean, I think he's always been rejecting it very purposefully because he likes a certain kind of movie. And he's very open, like when he's being interviewed about what kinds of movies he likes, he wants to do this movie because it was a period piece, loves doing period pieces. If you look back at his career, he's made a lot of period pieces.

Yeah, same for our guy, Daniel Day. Same thing. Mm-hmm. I don't totally get that. Making period pieces? No, I just, we're in this weird situation. Wesley and I talked about it. it a couple, when we said in the pod, like two months ago, about these people who just, they want

to go backwards in movies. When meanwhile, like, there's so many interesting things happening right now. I just wish more people made movies about right now. It's hard to do, though. I mean, he did one recently called Don't Look Up. And it was controversial. A lot of people didn't like that movie. And that was a movie about living in the present.

And it's really hard to make those kinds of movies. It is a little bit easier. I think it's more fun for actors. Costumes, makeup, you know, the production design is all. different. You're entering a different kind of a world instead of dealing with the reality of the moment. I think it's safer, too. You go backwards. That's a different kind of storytelling because I think a lot of this movie, especially, it's like, if this movie is set today, this movie is over in 12 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like, oh yeah, we saw him on the camera. That's him.

You know, when did you get Leo season tickets? The beach. Probably. I mean, I knew about it. Obviously, Titanic was Titanic, and a lot of of the women in my young life loved him in Romeo and Juliet so he was like already a heartthrob. I was This Boy's Life. I would actually actually know it. Can I revise my answer?

It would be Basketball Dyer's. Because Basketball Dyeres is a huge book for me and that like him playing Jim Carroll was like, holy shit, this guy's got really good taste. This boy's life was the one for me. I was like I'm in this guy. What's he doing next? I'm going.

I'll have you know I was watching Growing Pains in real time. I remember that. And honestly, when he showed up on whatever that was, season three of Growing Pains where they had to mix it up Because it was getting stale. I'm not sure if we have. 12 year old fantasy is like, I have season tickets to this guy.

It was like, what the fuck are they? Because I wasn't old enough to remember like Oliver showing up on the Brady Bros. That's a convention, obviously, of sitcoms where they introduce a new kid. He was like, they orphaned kid. He was an orphan who just showed up with the Seaver family. And you're like, what is going on here? Who is this like ravishingly beautiful 15 year old boy who lives in a house with Kirk Cameron? Maybe this is like a new growth vertical for the ringer as we start.

getting people who are like, I have season tickets for Olivia Rodriguez, like, little kids podcasting about like Disney stars. Maybe we should just do a season tickets pod. Maybe that's the idea. Is that to be a show? My daughter has it for Noah Centenia. Did she like his, most recent Netflix show?

Probably, I think she might have canceled the tickets. Like when I tried to get rid of my quip her tickets recently. Deeply unfortunate moment for him in Black Adam, I'm going to say. Yeah, not great. Not great. But I randomly saw, I had stopped watching growing pains at that way. I've talked about this before.

I saw the episode when he was like, it was like his birth mother came back or something. It was in like a diner or a restaurant. And all of a sudden, Leo is doing like crazy high-end acting Leo stuff on fucking growing pains. And it was like a moment. I don't know if it's on YouTube, but you're watching it going,

whoa, this kid's like a hell of an actor. It sticks out. Yeah. It is growing pains. Can I rattle off the 20 years? Because they're actually not as many. movies. So starting with the beach, then it goes, catch me if you can,

gangs of New York, the aviator, departed, blood diamond, body of lies, which I actually love, Revolutionary Road, Shutter Island, Inception, Jay Edgar, Django, Gatsby, Wolf of Wall Street, Revenant, once upon a time in Hollywood, don't look up and now Killers of the Flower Moon. And reportedly,

he'll be in the new PTA, but that's unconfirmed. Pretty solid. Right? It felt like when was Django, what year was at? Was that 18? 17? No, I think it's like 13, right? Yeah, that was like 12, 13. Okay.

Yeah, once he hit that age, once he could go backwards or forward with the role, he could go a little, he go 20s or he could get a time of the other thing that he does in Django, which is really impressive is he does what Hank's does in this movie, which is like, I'll be the supporting actor. He's gotten more interested in this. Most of his recent performances post-revenant are all kind of supporting performances. Once Upon Time Hollywood, that's kind of a supporting performance. It's Brad Pitt's movie pretty much, yeah. He hasn't done that many rewatchable type of moment.

movies. They've been really fun choices. They're movies you'll watch, but not like, you know, he doesn't have like his good fellas. I don't know, man. I guess Wolfo Wall Street is becoming that. Departed. Oh yeah, and Departed. We've done a bunch of these. Departed. We did, we did inception. We did Wolfelaw Street.

We did Wolf. We did Hollywood. I would have done... Do you feel like Hollywood is going to... I do. I think it's going to be an all-time movie. Yeah. In part because of those performances. And I think Margo Robbie's going to get more and more famous. And so you're going to look back and be like, so is these two guys... So tough to tell with these, but

It's like wine. You just kind of don't know for... Because I was watching the last half hour recently, and after he gets rid everybody, there's an extra 10 minutes with him and the neighbor. And I'm like, oof. I don't know. I don't know if I like the ending.

I love that scene. I was kind of like, after they kill everybody, I'm kind of like, I think I'm done. I don't think I need the last scene. I need more time with it. I mean, I think it's like the N-CAP, the what-f N-CAP, you know? It's kind of like a nice way to go.

out for like everybody who thinks back on this thing is a major tragedy and he's trying to give you this kind of wistful what if which i i like i love that movie i think it's like one of the last five-star movies it's been made it's really fun to see them together it's a fun point of leo's career too where he's a little bit older i mean physically he's changed so much even in this movie he's able to play a 16-year-old kid partly because he's skinny and he does stuff with his body when the kids and then he does different stuff with his body depending on the role like he's like Even for the, I mean, we're going to talk about the Tropicana hotel scene with Hanks, but like, he just turns into a totally different person when he's pretending to be Barry Allen. You know, like, he just, he just, and it's very subtle and you may not notice it, but like it is on a dime.

He's just like, I'm a special agent. Yeah. I'm James Bond. Do you think he's our most important 21st century actor? Because we are now 23 years into the century. He's probably the most emblematic. He's like, I always think of him as like kind of the end of Hollywood. You know, like he's an LA kid.

He got started very young. He was part of this like massive wave of teen fandom. And then he's the last guy who movies have truly been able to be built around. He's basically never missed. All of his movies have done business, even the ones that people don't like. And I don't know that there really has been anybody since him that you could say that about aside from Gerhard Butler. You know, it's really him and Butler. Those are the guys.

That's true. Chee butt. If anything, I think Leo kind of fails. by not making plane. You know? Like, Leo doesn't have a plane.

He doesn't have a den of thieves. He doesn't have an Olympus's fall in a Greenland, you know? I'm trying to think could he, could he bring back

the Taken franchise? Is he upset that he doesn't have his John Wick? The thing is, that's the, Leo still has, like,

his fucked up 50s to go. And when he has a midlife crisis and he's like, it's time for me to be William Neeson. It's all one midlife crisis with Leo,

which is one thing I like about him too. You know, he's kind of Post and through. He's like he's been acting like he's Jack Nicholson in 1978 for like 40 years. He's one of our most committed smokers. I get I get really upset when he takes shit for whatever. It's like just leave Leo alone. I'm glad we have this guy. You know what he's given us? He also does no I mean he's been on talk shows and interviews and I don't know if he's ever done a podcast, but I know less about him than probably any famous actor we've ever had.

Like even when he does press, he just has that big smile. But you don't really find anything out. hates it. He's like, and he's just a super private. When he did like all the press for once upon a time in Hollywood and notoriously like the Tarantino promo runs are the most fun because they actually have stories from the sets and they actually have like this huge reverence for the project

they worked on and Pitt just mopped the floor with him. Pitt's having the time of his life talking about that movie and Leo's like well, Quinton's just such a genius. It's so fun to work with him, you know, it's so interesting. It's like one of those athletes who doesn't want to give a good interview in a press conference. Yeah. Yeah. I will say, I met him during

that period and he it was tractor beam though. Like I met Brad Pitt too and I was like that's Brad Pitt and I met Leo and I was like oh yeah that's Leonardo DiCaprio. Because there's something unknowable about him? I think some people just have a gaze you know like he just he

has an aura in part because we don't know anything and so you're like it's much much more mysterious. I've seen Brad Pitt do like ridiculous things in movies and ridiculous things in real life for whatever reason like Leon you're right like we don't have that much to hold on to other than the movies. So he's then in Nicholson is

his way of doing his career, his way of plotting out his careers. Essentially, he works with Scorsese all the time. He has replaced DeNero of Scorsese's leading man. And then when he's not working with Scorsese, he works with the best directors. Now that's easier said than done, because I'm sure a lot of actors

in Hollywood would be like, sure, I would love to just work with the best directors, but all these other considerations come in. But you can see, guys like Gosling initially were doing this, and then now is making a lot of clap trap bullshit. You know, he made like gray man. He's making the, what's he making the fall guy? No, no, you're right.

The fall guy. Like, he's doing more action stuff for some reason. Chalame is, like, basically the closest thing we have to Leo in terms of, like, the, he pretty much just works with, like, really badass directors. Well, he is making the Willie Wonka movie. Right. But at least he hasn't made a Marvel movie. Yeah. This would have been, you read, I forgot who said this would have been a great Chalamee part.

Oh, yeah. If they were going to redo this today, he would do Shalame. Better with Leo? but Salome this is the kind of thing he could have been in. The actor who's more closely following the Leo blueprint to me is Daniel Kluja, who like only works every one or two years, doesn't do franchise stuff, is building a relationship with a couple of directors who he's like,

this is my person and I'm going to work with them for as long as I can, and is slowly becoming a brand name where it's like if he's in it, he's going to be good. Like he's basically never not interesting in a movie. Like McQueen, Jordan. Yeah. Yeah, very short list. I would like to see Leo in one kind of Mission Impossible movie.

It's an inception. I guess, but like one where he's just foiling something and he has to hang off something. He doesn't want to jump out of an airplane. I don't, I'm not an inception guy. Makes me uncomfortable. Why, you don't like to live in the world of dreams? I don't.

I don't like alternate reality stuff. I'm on the record about inception. I don't think people want to hear from me about that. Then there's the Hanks piece of this piece of this. movie. Hank's coming off the legendary 92 to 2000 run that we've talked about on multiple rewatchables and moves into this different phase of his

career where he's like, I've done it all. Yeah, I'll be the number two guy in a Leo Spielberg movie and starts making choices that start to go up and down. He's with the 2010s. Especially, what was the one what was the one with the Ron Howard

movie? Off the book. I'm blanking. Oh, Da Vinci Code? Vinci could. Yeah, he's got the weird haircut in that one. He does have a weird haircut in that. That movie is at least a massive hit, though. He's made so many movies in the last 15 years or he was just like, I'm going to have a wig and makeup, you know, like Cloud Atlas or things like that.

I'm a professor who doesn't know how to love. Yeah. There was a crazy stat for him. Hold on, I've got to find it. For Hanks? He had seven straight movies that made $100 million and up. And he was on a run of 13 out of 14 movies in a row. 100 million it up during a time when that was harder

and I was like wow I wonder if that's a record I'm gonna look up my guy Tom Tom Cruise he was 10 in a row at one point 19 of 20 he was making different kinds of movies if we had like the stats like the whole stats infrastructure we have for sports

and movies that would be the fun stuff to look like if you were taking whatever it meant to make a hundred million dollars in 2000 pro rating it to now some sort of formula that prorated You know, because the Godfather sold probably, what, 200 million tickets or 100 million tickets, but it was $4 a ticket. So I have no idea.

Is the Godfather a bigger movie than Titanic? You can argue maybe. You can do adjusted for inflation and see what the biggest films of all time. You know, like, God of the Wind kind of like trumps most of these movies. Is E.T like high up there? I'm not sure like where it's it. There was a really smart piece that I read recently on the reveal about the movie The Robe, which is this like biblical epic, which is like completely forgotten. but it was the movie that introduced Cinescope.

And it's like adjusted for inflation, it's like the 35th biggest movie of all time, but do you know a single person who's seen the robe? Yeah. So, you know, that some of that's true for some of these movies that like Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise made and some of them are like,

well, that's one of the greatest movies of all time, you know? Like, how will Forrest Gump be remembered? Will be remembered as a great movie that we all love or will it like vanish 50 years from now? It's kind of fascinating. But in this movie, you're right that it starts a run of him just taking parts where he's like doing a voice or, you know, is not recognized,

Like the lady killers, he's, you know, wearing like a weird costume and doing a southern accent. And the terminal he's doing a European accent and he's a different guy. Like, he clearly just got bored with being Tom Hanks in movies. It says Jordan Wizards slash owning the Hornets phase. So I think it's actually interesting to see it's essentially, Spielberg does saving private Ryan, takes a few years off and goes into this probably the last great phase of his career with no disrespect intended. But the 0-1-05 run where he's doing AI Minority Report, Catch Me If You Can, the Terminal War of the Worlds, and then it kind of crests with Munich or whatever.

Hanks is in a similar spot because he comes off a saving Private Ryan and in a lot of ways changes into this character actor, even if he's still going to castaway, come on. Oh, you know what I mean, though. Come on. Okay. After Castaway, where do you go? Where do you go when you made the best movie of the 21st century? Isn't it weird to think, though, that this guy in this movie, Carl Hanratty? so he's only four years removed from

you've got mail and he's only or yeah four years removed from you've got mail and saving private Ryan and only two years removed from Castaway and so just the idea of him taking this part as you're saying is so strange because it's such a nothing part

it's a composite character it's not a real person you know he's it seems like very based on like TV characters that Tom Hanks must have loved growing up he's a fucking weird accent yeah

and it's like I get the weird accent if this is a real person but if it's a composite if a composite Just use your own voice? Just be Tom Hanks. Yeah, why are you trying to pull off this Al Capone accent? It's because he's bored, right?

He's trying to take some chances. He's starting to take threes from 35 feet. He's going to shoot having his game where he takes all left-handed shots. Let's take a break and then we'll talk about the Oscar stuff with this movie. Want your kids to learn and play every Sunday for free? Plenty kids is using sports and evidence-based wellness coaching to help kids build confidence, resilience and the tools they need for life's challenges and opportunities. Every Sunday from April 12th to May 10th,

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Jack Nicholson about Schmidt One of the weird things about this Chicago wins for best movie Polansky wins for the penis Gets a standing O which is really, but it was kind of bizarre when it happened now it's like people would

Can you imagine if we had Twitter for that? But all these movies that were the Oscars movies came out within six weeks of each other. And really nothing from this movie. The only thing we get is we get Waukin as the dad. We should talk about that because Waukin's awesome in this movie. He really is. And it's kind of believable.

He's Leo's dad. I don't know. It feels like it was just really good casting. I think it's good writing too. Yeah. It feels like they really, at least they really sold me in the first like 40 minutes of the movie. and the relationship between these two guys. There's a couple scenes.

There's that one scene where they're living in the apartment and he comes home on his 16th birthday. The pancakes scene. And he gives them the checkbook and he's making pancakes. And I was like, I really buy this. I really buy that they're related. There's a way to look at this movie

where it's the usual like Spilberg Claptrap of like broken home, creates a broken person, yada, yada. But it gets deeper in this movie, I think. I think that there's also something really cool about the fact that it's, he sees his dad pulling these little scams and that's what makes him want to impress his father almost.

And he's constantly like the only person he's ever calling and letting know who he is is his dad. And he's like, I got a Cadillac for you. I'm flying. I'm a doctor. I'm a lawyer. Like it's a really nice bit of psychological storytelling. And it's,

and it also, it's believable that he watched his dad lose everything. And he's like, I've got to make money. This could happen to me. All this stuff, it's very smartly constructed. It's weird that Spielberg is the director of this movie. I wouldn't say this It wasn't supposed to be Yeah and we can go into all

That but it just doesn't If you're watching it and it's like a cover the byline movie It wouldn't be like who was the director I don't know if the Spielberg pieces Jump out to me that much But he was working a lot back then But did you feel like this is like a Spielbergie Type of movie?

I think the stuff that Chris just talked about 100% yes The psychology of A Broken Family And if you watch this is like Actually quite an amazing pairing With the Fablemans and what they're kind of saying to each other

about the relationship that a young boy has with his parents. And that era, too. Yeah, same time. Yeah. Same time. And then you can see that he's like romanticizing 60s James Bond movies and the jet setting lifestyle. But I agree with you that in general,

this kind of storytelling, I mean, it is light on its feet and psychologically weighty, which is how a lot of Spielberg movies are. But it feels, I think honestly, more like a Scorsese movie in terms of like the energy and the story type. you know like con man crime someone being pursued you know that like international travel all that stuff feels a little closer to that world but i mean he can kind of make any movie it's a really interesting era for him i think even in a weird way it's like his adult era yeah um and it's also an era where i think that he's not he's almost trying on different directorial careers like the ai thing is like he's replacing kubrick with this it's like he's like he's like he's replacing kubrick with this it's like he's like he's He basically stepped in to direct the thing he was just going to produce Minority Report.

It's like a Ridley Scott movie. It's like essentially a more of a Philip K. Dick thing than it is a Spielberg thing, even though it has lots of Spielberg stuff. He's experimenting with a new style of filmmaking in a lot of ways. Yonush Kaminsky talked about that a lot where he was like after saving Private Ryan, I think he tried to remake his filmmaking. My guy, Janush. Yeah, a little less like soft light, you know. This is one of his best, Khaminski. And it's just really first grade photographer for my daughter's spot.

Most overqualified photographer a lot of time. This is also he has fully settled on his team at this point that he's basically been working with for 25 years now. Michael Kahn editing,

Kaminsky shooting it, John Williams doing the score. Really cool John Williams score. Great. A great jazzy score. And the costume designer, the production designer, all these people have been making movies

together for like 10 years. There's a great little clip in the making of documentary about this where Leo is being introduced to the Spielberg production family and they do a toast with champagne and he's he's like talking to Leo like he's the Christopher Walken character you know he's like I want to welcome you to this family and this tradition that we have of making movies together you're in the club now and it's really cool like that's how Spielberg that's awesome should we have done that for our club when we

bring new people in yeah let's start next time we hire somebody let's do that let's go back and do it for was was uh Spielberg said about the character frank was a 24th century genius working within the innocence of the mid-60s when people are more trusting than they are now, I don't think this kind of movie where somebody could say, I have a career plan. I think that's what

attracted him to make you the movie, right? Remember this time when you could pull off shit like this? Well, I mean, it's very telling that this movie comes out after airports and travel completely changed because of 9-11. Good point. And that's in his, a lot of his stuff from this era, the terminal

especially, but minority reports very much about a dystopian surveillance society. Munich is very much about terrorism. War of the world is very much about the world ending. This is like a really interesting moment where a filmmaker is grappling, even though he's not making movies specifically about 9-11 or war on terror. He's making movies about what it's like to be alive right then. That goes back to your point about making movies about the present time. I think the best directors usually do it allegorically. They don't do it directly. It's really hard to make a movie like network that's like about the moment. He's really good at saying, here's what,

it feels like to be alive right now. The screenplay was by Jeff Nathanson. It was based on the 1980, quote, autobiography, unquote, of Frank Abagnow, which has been, we'll go into it later. A lot of this has been debunked. I don't really care. I don't either.

To me, it's like that whole, based on a true story or this is a true story or pieces, like, to me the movie's the movie. It's really the way they sell things that bothers me. It's more like when they're like, We wanted to get it exactly right. It's like it didn't fucking happen. But I get it.

There was a controversy because Beautiful Mind and the hurricane both took a lot of shit for trying to pretend this was the story. And then this was, you know, early stages of the internet where people were like, no, actually. And then they would do the bullet point of the 15 ways. This was totally not true at all. Yeah. Get your Slate article out. A Beautiful Mind took a lot of shit.

I think Abagnale has been much more thoroughly debunked in the last 10 years, though, than where it was in 2002. And I think the difference is the stakes on this are so low. Yeah. They're just one guy lying about his life. It's not that surprising that I have chronic con man also lied about being a con man. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, John Williams got nominated for Best Original Score, which when you hear the beginning of the movie, it's like, this score kind of sucks, but then the way it's used during the movie, it kind of makes you uneasy the whole time. It's like a Dave Gruson score. It's like a firm score. I like it a lot. Janush is in this. I mean, this is just across the board.

Just top of the line people, just making a really good movie. $52 million budget. Made $352 international. Unbelievable. 164 domestic, 11th for that year. Our guy Raj, three stars,

said this is not a major Spielberg film, although it is an effortlessly watchable one. I agree with that. And he says DiCaprio, who in recent films has played dark and troubled characters is Breezy and Charming here. Playing a boy who discovers what he's good at and does it. Breezy and Charming is a good way to describe Leo in this movie.

I think the second act of this especially is like as soon as you see a scene. You know, you see him in the pilot uniform, you see him in the orange and white sweater. This is Italian knit. You know, like, you're just like... It's a great hour. My thing I love about this movie is there's a great hour

where it's as soon as it's off for him and he's just doing stuff. You're like, ah, I could watch this for hours. Let me ask you a question about. this because one of the producers said that they had a hard time like locking the movie in because when you have a story like this it often can seem too episodic and if it's too episodic then it's just a scene after scene after scene and you don't have anything holding the glue together and the developing of the hand-ready characters have brought the movie really into

focus that like having this second father a pursuer yeah and somebody who's finding him is what made the movie make sense that being said I think most people who would watch the movie myself included, is like, I'm just into the episodes. Like, this is actually the rare movie where I'm like, if this was a TV show, I'd probably really enjoy it. I had that written down for that category we have later. I think it's clearly a better prestige show. Wouldn't you love to just watch a Conno?

You know, I really like this as a movie, but I would have loved like, oh, we're in the world is now for episode five. It's like, what's this guy going to do this week? Yeah. Yeah. Most rewatchable scene. There's a bunch of scenes that I really like, but I had when Frank pretends to be the substitute teacher when we really get going.

Amazing. Quiet down, people. My name is Mr. Abagnale. That's Abignale. Not Abignalee. Not Abignalee, but Abignale. Somebody please tell me where you left off in your textbooks. So good.

You're like, what's he doing? Not Abignollie. I just wrote that and Frank becomes a P&M pilot, which is longer than one scene, but is just awesome as he slowly figures out. When he interviews the guy from the school paper, does the uniform hitting. Here, take my ID.

Just every checkpoint of that is so bad. The first deadhead flight where it's like, that's his first time on an airplane. And it's awesome when you're like, can you imagine if that was your first time on an airplane and you were sitting in the cockpit? Right. Just be like, holy shit.

And also you just were face to face with Ellen Pompeo. That's right. That doesn't hurt. Great stuff. Frank gives his dad a Cadillac. It was the Keys to a 1965, Cavalach Neville. convertible, brand new dad. Red with white interior, split seats,

air conditioning, the works. You giving me a Cadillac? I'm giving you a Cadillac. Dad, she's parked downstairs when we're done eating lunch. Why don't you drive on her to go to Mom's house, pick her up, take a little joy ride. Do you know what would happen if the IRS found out when I was driving around in a new crew?

Took the train here, Frank. I'm taking the train home. which has the rest of us a suckas it's got just some good walking well it just really like vintage walking walkin's at this point of the parody of walking

and the real actor walking where real actor walkin also knows what the parody of walking is and he's leaning into it but not too much and it's like the perfect blend then he becomes parody walkin I agree it's the perfect it's the final final stage right

before it's full time more cowbell yeah but yeah he gets to do all the things that he's best at in this movie. He gets a big monologue speech at the beginning when he accepts the award and he tells the story about the mice. He gets to dance. He's one of the all-time great movie dancers.

And he gets to just seem a little off. Like, he's dishonest and he's like constantly talking about this like paranoid conspiracy to take him down, which is of course like something he's so well known for, right? Like the Dead Zone and Deer Hunter. But it's in such a warm way

that it's the best version of him. He also ages really well in this movie. I really the way that like the longer it goes and then by the end of it he's working for the government and he's just like they've fully defeated me and now I'm essentially like an indentured servant to like the federal government. I didn't

have it as a rewatchable scene because it's short but when he has Leo pretends to be the cat, the chauffeur and he goes and he's trying to get money from that guy. It's like 45 seconds but it's really good walking. And it's also like a really good scene where he's just like go to your local bank he's like you put my local bank out of business

like yeah but it shows you like how Leo's character improves on his dad's legacy because his dad can't get alone. He can't get away from this problem that he created for himself, whereas Abagnel figures out a way to kind of overcome all those circumstances. Next one is, I mean, Frank almost getting caught by Carl in Hollywood. The trop cana. Yeah.

Well, tough luck, Carl. Five minutes earlier, you would have landed yourself a pretty good caller. It's all right. Ten seconds later, and you'd have been shot. Mind if I come downstairs with you? I gotta take a look at this guy. Sure thing. Just do me favor and sit tight for a second

while I get this evidence downstairs. You know, I don't want some maid walking through here and making the bed. LAPD should be here any sec. Wait? Your wallet. You hang on to it for a minute. I trust you.

Really great stuff. Gives in the wallet. Love the wallet reveal. Yeah. Leaning out the window. So we see him at the very, very, very beginning of the movie. the label off the wine bottle. That's like the first thing you see with Leo.

And then that's that great character moment where this is the thing that he does. He's always peeling. But I don't think you see it again until he opens the wallet, right? And then they show that shot of all the... Yeah, and it's all the stuff that's in there, yeah. I love that scene's awesome.

I also love the hotel. Everything about that seems great. Would you put the Jennifer Garner scene in as a rewatchable? I think it's pretty weird. I think it's cool because it's like this guy can't be conned. Like his innocence is gone.

Yeah. Like he, He cons the escort, and it's like... Okay. So I like it, but it is a strange interlude. This has the most sex scenes in any Spielberg movie, I would venture to say. Interesting. I haven't run the numbers on that.

Pretty... Yeah, it crunched a lot on the tape. They're not too much, but... There's a really, really raunchy sex scene from Jaws that was cut. Oh, really? It was like Robert Shaw the night before he goes out. Queen goes and gets some. And Shaw dropped trowl.

Yeah, that's right. I was going to believe that for a second. It was actually originally called Deep Throat. Shaw is a threesome. Shaw is just like smashing Narragansits and then just like grabs the first lady who says yes. Let's have ourselves a threesome. Shot goes in the water.

I think it was because it was right at the start of Aalius that it was really exciting at the time when she showed up in the movie. I don't know if you guys watched Aaliyos, but I was watched. That was like a future period of time. I mean, it's like a pretty amazing like run of one scene for a woman who then winds up becoming a huge star.

Elizabeth Banks, Ellen Pompeo, Amy Adams, and Jennifer Garner. Jimmy's show his first year, one of the running gags was how he was in love with Jennifer Garner, an alias, and it was going to be his next wife, and she ended up coming on. But she was, like, thrown 100 miles an hour about. She was very hot. Leo and Sheen, I'm just a kid who's in love with your daughter. Sheen's really good in this movie. Nice little sheen run.

Up to the departed here, yeah. The FBI crashes Frank engagement party for a rewatchable scene. Brenda, you love me, right? Yeah. I mean, you love me no matter what. Yeah. I mean, you love me whether I was sick or whether I was poor or if I had a different name. Frank, where'd you get all that money?

Brenda, listen. A name, right? A name, it doesn't matter. My name is Frank Connors, right? That's who I am with you. But we all have secrets. You know, sometimes when I travel, I use a name. the name Frank Taylor. That's my secret.

That's him. Yeah, Frank Taylor, you know, Frank Black. Frank Black. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Why heard you saying all this? Brenda. Brenda, I don't want to lie to you anymore. All right? I'm not a doctor. I never went to medical school. I'm not a lawyer or a Harvard graduate or a Lutheran.

Brenda, I ran away from home, and you were a half a grown. I was 16. That whole scene is awesome. And all of a sudden, there's suitcases just covered in cash, and Amy Adams trying to figure out what's going on. Yeah, the conversation between them in the bedroom where he's trying to explain is a great... Good five minutes.

I really like the eight stewardess trick to get off out of the airport. And then his last escape when Hanks catches him, just trying to figure out if he's going to come back or not. The check's exploding out of the check printer is amazing movie making. So do you like the extra 10 minutes here, the Frank become... or 15, 20 minutes of Frank becoming an agent? We haven't gotten to what stage is the worst yet. I had it in there.

Okay. We can save it for then. Well, we could also do it now. Well, give me your most rewatchable scene. I got the Hollywood. Top Cana Hotel. Yeah. So awesome.

You like Pan Am? I love the eight stewardesses. What qualifies me to be a future stewardess? Well, I think that I'm really friendly, and I can really help out and make people feel welcome on the plane. We'll be traveling at 6,000 miles. hour at an altitude of 300 feet. All my bags are packed. I'm ready to go.

I love the whole scam. Having the girls try out at the high school, interviewing the girls, choosing the girls like it's the price is right. And then them exiting the car together. And then that being tied to the scam where he has to show for us in the front seat. It's just an awesome sequence. Well, it's age the best. We mentioned Wachin.

Mention Leo and Wachin' his father's son. How about Mrs. Abingdale remarrying? and living in the father of the bride house. Yeah. That's unbelievable. Yeah. Should we buy that house, along with the Boogie Nights house? I think it's super expensive.

And now the Danny Treo house. Yeah, now we get the Danish is up. Yeah. And that's only 1.6. So let's say we combine our forces. Can the three of us get all three of those houses under our belt, Bill? Bill, you need to be leading. Let me talk to the Swedes.

I have this right now. Daniel, have you thought about making a massive investment in Los Angeles real estate that has really minor connections to watchables. Daniel, two words for you. Pod City. Have you thought about Tarzana?

Pod City, only this time we'll have video. I have this written down. Movies set in the past with slutty moms is one of my favorites. I fucking love it. Can you give me another example? Forest Gump's mom. Uh-huh.

That's all I get getting after it. Well, it was all, it was for a good cause. Yeah, well, that's the thing.

Because her son was a moron. Yeah. I love when the moms are getting it on, but it's always like discreet in the 40s where it's like somebody, somebody's always coming out of a bedroom.

Oh, yeah. Adjusting their time. Sorry, it was just me and James Bowling in the other room. It's not sleazy at all, but you know something happened or you see like she's bringing tea

but her hair's a little messed up. Every time again. This is why you love the ice storm. You know, Sigourney Weaver just getting after it. I love it so much. And see, you got Joan Allen to crank to in that movie?

Oh, that's right. Leo goes to the airport. And he figures out that she's been watched. And he figures out that when he's like looking and he's looking around and he looks on the top and he sees the one guy. I love when people figure out that they're about to be busted before they get busted. Always works for me. Yeah. To tell the truth was fun to see.

Yeah. It's hard to believe that was a big show in the 60s. Like sometimes I look at the things that succeed in the 60s. and you go like man what were people doing back then it's one of the few things in this movie that actually happened yeah because there was an episode to tell the truth that featured abignale and three two other guys two little mice fell in a bucket of cream

the first mouse quickly gave up and drowned the second mouse wouldn't quit he struggled so hard that eventually churned that cream in a butter and crawled out gentlemen as of this moment I am that second mouse that's a fucking honestly terrible speech I wrote it down because it's so fucking weird I didn't know whether you're winning in Wednesdays are best or the worst. Basketball Hall of Fame.

When you get the gouty, you're just like, I'll be dead. I'm the second mouse. I'm turning it down. CR, you should accept it on Bill's behalf when Bill dies. Oh, yeah, gladly. I'm just turning it down. The glamour of pilots and flight attendants in the 60s is a recurring theme in movies. Like, almost famous has it.

Just, it really meant something to be. I think they essentially made that show Pan Am after this, right? That was like, let's just keep doing this. great hot pilots and hot flight attendants. Quality program. Yeah. Quite an era. We mentioned movies where someone's a crook

and you don't want them to get caught, as always a witch that is your best for me. You're like, I shouldn't be rooting for this person, but I am. All Conman movies, even the worst Conman movies, I will definitely watch your movie. Yeah. Sheen and Leo.

Sheen and Leo's great. Four years before they're on a rooftop. Four years before Martin Sheen gets dropped off. He's dropped up. And blood starts pouring out of him before he hits the ground. And then the only other thing I had was this nice little, which you talked about at the top, just this specific moment of Leo, that O2 Leo, when it's all about to really happen in a

real way. It's very similar to like, I don't know, an NBA star about to win the MVP or Mahomes about to win second Super Bowl. We're just like, this guy, I'm going to say like I was here for this when this happened. What else did you have for what stage the best? All right. Chris already mentioned the cavalcade of young actresses who went on to be. somewhat famous to extremely famous.

I mean, the star of the biggest network drama of the last 20 years is in this movie. Jennifer Garner, who's one of the most famous women in Hollywood for the last 20 years.

Elizabeth Banks, still hugely relevant, just directed a movie that came out this weekend. Like, it's an unbelievable... Amy Adams. And Amy Adams,

who might be the most celebrated out of all of them. And she almost steals this movie. Like, I think, I think Amy Adams is great. I'll hold my thoughts. Can I give you one more What's Age the Best?

Yeah. I love all, like, con-man process stuff. Like him with all the toy planes and the bathtub to make the Pan Am seals. Yeah, putting the sticker on the check. All the shit, how he learns about like

micer, you know, numbers and routing numbers and like different ways he manipulates the checks. Couldn't agree more. Kid Cuddy Pursuit Happen is... Oh, one more thing. Yeah. The credits. The Sal Bass credits. They're not Sal Basque.

Yeah. Inspired by. Yeah. Kid Cuddy Pursuit Happens somewhere best needle drop. The Christmas song shows, That's roasting on an open fire. Good one. Good one.

I would have said come fly with me. I love to come fly with me. Good one. Yeah. I like you, when they're listening to you really got me at the Atlanta apartment.

And he's like, that's high, my high fire is real to real. You can't just put it back. There's something about Spielberg where like he can do the most cliche thing and it still works. Yeah.

You know, where you're like, sure. Play, you really got me. You know, that's, that works. You know, like it's not any other director

you'd be like, oh, what, they're leaning on this old chestnut. Yeah. But to your point earlier, the real one is probably Escapades for Altax. The Williams thing is like,

da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Big Kuhna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. The Airplane O'Claer. Oh, yeah. Promily featured. Made me want to have one. Me too. Perfect, like, example of this category.

You just know that it would destroy you. Like, when's the last time you ate a giant Eclare? Is that something you could get on an airplane in the 60s? I think they might have made those illegal. They're just like sugar, pudding, whipped cream. Or they like here, you're flying from like Dallas to Chicago, here's some Coca-Van and like a Burgundy. Like they really like catered those things. Can I make a suggestion?

Immediately after this recording we get donuts. That would be great. Den of Thieves Benihanna Award for Scene Stealing Location and the Great Shock Order Award for most cinematic shot. Giving both to Frank when he gets arrested in France and then come out and they're in whatever, that talented Mr. Ripley kind of. Oh, the Marseilles prison? Yeah, that's... No, when there are people like the rest thing.

Yeah. I just think that looks really cool. That's like the Spielberg's best kind of Spielberg moment. Yeah. Can I throw some other locations for you?

Some Gordo? Big fan of the TWA building at JFK. Yeah. And even though it's really only the outside of it, the Waldorf-Storia, great hotel.

And then my great shot Gordo is Hank's, when the first time he gets the Christmas Eve phone call and there's this shot, it's just fucking Spielberg where it's like, The entire thing around Hank's is like blue, gray and Venetian blinds,

and it's like all dark. And then the lamp is like super warm and light because like the phone call is the only thing he's got in his life. And it's like the case in pursuing it. It's just like, you're just the fucking best, man. Spielberg. Good director. He's good at making films. Yeah, good at this stuff.

Butch's girlfriend, a word, weak link of the film. I got to do it. The Hank's accent. Fucking punch it in. Right here. The Hank's accent. Right here. Yeah.

It's just bad. Yeah, they actually took this one off the board. You couldn't wager on this one. It's just bad. I don't know what they were doing. And where's Spielberg on this? And also, Hank's hamming it up.

Just been like, like, he's just like a little two, three stoogers. It's like you're not in drag net, Hank's. No. No, listen, I really am. You do not feel sorry for me. The truth is, I knew it was you. Now, maybe I didn't get the cuffs on you, but I knew.

People only know what you tell them, Carl. Well, then tell me this, Barry Allen's Secret Service. How did you know I wouldn't look in your wallet? The Yankees win because they have Mickey Mantle. No one ever bets on the uniform. I'm sure. I thought what you said earlier in the conversation is what made sense. It is him doing kind of Dragnet.

And I think he thinks that that's like a clever homage the same way. There's like a James Bond homage in the movie. Whether it works or not, I don't know. There's a part of me also that is the, the casting what if comes into play here too. Yeah, yeah. Let's save that. I want to come back to this.

I have two more categories to discuss this. The Vincent Chase Award for, are we sure this character was actually good at his job? Carl, couldn't catch this fucking guy for nine years? Yeah. And seems to be getting like basically like shined on by all his bosses who were like,

yeah, great, you're chasing down those check kiders. Yeah. We mentioned nearly all Frank's story has been debunked. There's been a lot of stuff from the last couple years about this. we don't need to go into it. And then this is just age the worst for me. So he gets away with the eight stewardesses that he picks. And now they're on this fight.

One more scene. How about champagne for everybody? Maybe takes one in the airplane bathroom. Just like what happened next? Give me one more. Love it. I have for what's age of the worst writing checks. It's fucking amazing that that used to be a thing.

Where you would go be like, here's $200 worth of groceries and you'd be like, I'm going to write you a personal check. I promise I'm good for it. It does. The scene when he gives in the checkbook does really resonate with me though. Do you remember getting a checking account? I'm a fucking millionaire. Remember we had to balance it? It was just like, I have no idea.

There could be like $100 here and five. Can I reveal something to you guys? I never balanced my checkbook. I never did it. Not because I had so much money or so little money. I just was like, I don't care. Yeah. Because like it'll all come out in the watch. Is it Apple pay a way better version of this now? you're just like, here.

Yeah, but like, it's up to a bank and they verify the funds like in real time. Yeah, true. The checks are like, just like, just lie to anybody. Can I, can you actually just give me cash? What's the weirdest thing you ever paid for with a check? Like, do you ever buy like a banana with a check? Oh, I mean, there were times in Boston when I was like a college kid and I would be like, you were way more like living hand to mouth than I would be like, I think at Star Market,

I wrote it. I didn't read any bad checks, but. Have you ever bounced a check? I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely have. I just have this vivid memory. Is your name really Bill Simmons?

Have you been running here? Let's take a break. I remember people paying for their groceries with checks when I was a kid, and I was like, that seems weird. And now it's, you're right. It's also the same with the Pan Am uniform where he's just like, don't worry about it. It's like Pan Am, you just give me your number, and Pan Am, we'll pay for it. My only other what's age of the worst is Los Angeles Motel. ins.

Like, the Tropicana is just like a motel. They still exist out here, though. I mean, there's a lot of them. They aged poorly. Yeah. They exist all right. It's not a place. I don't know if it's the same Tropicana Motel in, but it's got a Yelp review that's not that

it's not great. Can't pay for stuff with a check there, that's for sure. The True Romance Hotel. Was the True Romance Hotel on Sunset? That's another one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a tough shape.

Yeah. Ever since true romance, it's got a gone down there. It's a lot of action. there still though. Like if you go in there, you can have some fun. I'm sure that Alabama, some version of Alabama and James Gandalfini are still in that motel. Ron Burgundy Flute Award, best time for a P-Brick? What'd you have here? Well, this is where we get into the end of the film because I think there's an argument that you could just be like, and now this movie ends when Carl arrests him and you don't need the last 20 minutes. I'm good with it ending when he's dressed like the Pan Am pilot.

Oh, and it's like the last. And Hanks is like, you're going to come back? basically, like, is he going to come back Monday or not? Right. And I think he just walks away and then we get the graphics. Frank actually came back. He helped out and he made checks. I don't know. I don't love the last 15 minutes of this movie,

which is why I think it took a while for me to warm up to it as a rewatchable. Because I remember being in the theater being like, I didn't love the ending. And then the more you watch, you're like, man, the P&M part's great. Oh, my God. Sheen's awesome. I actually think there's too much time spent with Amy Adams and her family. So you're not into her?

Well, the scene, you know, the, where is Kelly's scene, you know? Fantasy's first redhead zag of all time. Are we doing this now? Well, I'm not going to say what you're going to say, but I know what you're going to say, because this has been an ongoing discussion for us. You think Amy Adams is overrated? You're not on this text chain. Yeah, this is a controversial situation.

Go ahead. Fire away. Ciar's not on that text chain? No. I am. Wait, this is the... Go ahead. She's Kurt Cousins.

she's fine you can I am on this thread because we talked about arrival and everybody's yeah you are everybody's like

oh rival only me and Amanda like arrival she make the playoffs with her she's been nominated for six Oscars it's absurd

um is Kirk Cousins going to the hall fame when you get the counting stats at the end of all this he might kind of feels like he might I think Amy Adams

is bad in this movie I don't know what she's doing I think she's completely over the top I don't get what her is what is her character she's working in a hospital she has braces and she's brain damage

no I think that she's like Is she brain damage in this movie? What's going on? She's a daddy's girl candy striper Yeah who also has like a dark side Why is she so over the top? Is she supposed to be sexy? Like she's a fucking maniac

I think she's like a coquettish young girl The problem is also that like Leo's character That character does not work Okay I respectfully disagree You have Amy Adams' blindness. I don't. I just think it's a bad character and I don't understand it.

And Leo could get literally anybody and this is the one he picks. To me, it makes a lot of sense what happens in this part of the movie, which is that he is trying to recreate a family. Searching for a family. And he has not only found this really sweet girl that he's attracted to, but he has found this safe place with these parents who are very happy. She's getting bullied by the doctors just like he was getting bullied in high school. He sees somebody who's like,

got a good heart. Anne Hathaway, way better actress. I don't disagree with that. I love Anne Hathaway. But Amy Adams, I've never walked away from a movie and been like, Amy Adams was bad in that. Never. Same for Kirk Cousins.

Did you like Amy Adams and the fighter? You know that's not true. You've watched Kirk Cousins games. I've been like, that guy sucks. She was pretty good in the fighter. She's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah, she's good in the fighter. She's good in movies I don't like.

I think she's great in American Hustle. I don't like that movie at all. Yeah, she's amazing in that. She's great in Arrival. She's pretty good in the matter. She's in the matter. What are you talking about? You guys talk about a rival.

Like that's like... I think it's good. I'm not... I don't love it. It's like, oh, let's cue up a rival. Put that on again. I'm sorry, it's no plane. No, she's obviously a good actress, but I just...

She's not on that final level for me. She's not. I can't get there with her. I don't think she's had like the great performance. I would like to do the final level with Bill Simmons. Who's on the final level? It's just she's been nominated six times for the Oscar. And to me that seems insane.

But I think that more just goes to her choices that she makes in terms of the role she... Very similar to Leo. She works with a lot of good directors. She also had one of the great, like, who the fuck is that, performances in Junebug, her first movie. Where I was like, she's so good in that. I'll give you that one. You know, like, she caught everybody's attention. I can feel you're letting go with this take.

Well, I'll jump ahead. Recasting Couch. If you give me 2003 Scarlett Johansson in that part. No. Is it better? Too sexy. Oh. Isn't it supposed to be?

I think it's like a girl, like a young girl kind of a thing. Yeah. You know, that's creepy. Well, he's basically a teenager. He's 19. I know what you're saying. I do think that the part... I just don't think the character works.

I think the part is underwritten on purpose because he's projecting what he wants into this experience. Yeah, like when they're watching the TV and he's on the couch with the family and he's like, is this what a real family is like... She sits on Martin Sheen's lap. Like, what the fuck is going on? I think you're meant to be a little creeped out by it. But that I was... Well, that's why I want to say. Super creeped out.

I thought Abbot was fucking weird I didn't understand it The camera zooms in on his face And he starts singing along And reading the lyrics And it is really creepy It's like a Twilight Zone sequence

I don't know what Spielberg's going for In that whole thing Was there a better title for this movie To tell the truth It's good Yeah Or tell the truth But Catch Me if you can

Is a fucking awesome title How about Catch Me? No I like Catch Me if you can Yeah I liked it too I just want to talk it out. Best quote,

people only know what you tell them. Sometimes it's easier living the lie. I don't know, one of those two. Is that how you feel? People only know what you tell them is a really good quote. Not untrue.

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I have one that gives away casting wood if. Okay. I kind of already shared it, but what I was thinking was that this is the first great Leo performance, which some people would say, obviously, Titanic is a, an incredible movie and Romeo and Juliet, but those are two movies that are hugely reliant on the style and filmmaking of their, of the movies

themselves. And there are two parts that are, you know, Romeo is not underwritten, it's over, it's perfectly written, but they're like, um, he's along for the ride in many ways. The movies were successful in part because of him, but this movie is, if he's not good, this movie is nothing. Yeah. If he's not charming,

it is bunk. I have this boy's life, so I would have this second, his second best one. Even then he's, he's paired with De Niro in a great De Niro performance. Like, this is the one where it's like, it is him. And we're saying it's like one of Hanks's lesser performances. So in many ways, the movie entirely rides on him. So to me, it's like the first time where I was like, we're all set with Leo.

I already did my Amy Adams' hottest take. Can I do mine going into casting what-ups then? No, we're saving it for casting what else because we're about to do those. But I have another, I did a double hot of steak. And I hesitate even doing this one. Why? Kurt Cousins is actually good. Yeah.

I think the Hank's goat argument, if you wanted to pick it apart, like we pick apart, LeBron and people like that. He's had some bad accent movies. He's not the goat. Who's saying he's the goat? Is Hanratty supposed to be from God? He's like the most successful,

like the best actor of the last 50 years, I think he's in that conversation because of all the success he had. Al Pacino or, I just think he has to be in there. Daniel Day Lewis. I mean, he's, he's, a great movie star. His nine-year run, just like the concept of a movie star,

I think Hanks is in the first sentence of whoever we're talking about. I'd rather see Tom Cruise in a movie, personally. I'd rather see Denzel. Is Hedradi supposed to be from Boston? Hanks and Denzel are peers for that generation. They are the two guys. Yeah, and Denzel is way... No, Henry is supposed to be Chicago, but he has this movie,

Elvis, don't know what he was doing in that with the accent. Charlie Wilson's Wars, fucking terrible. His accent in that? I don't know what he's going for there. Unreal Philips'Nor Hoffman in that movie, though. I like that movie. I just, Hanks, I can't get past the accent.

I mean, his accent in the post. The post is brutal. Captain Phillips. No, that's good. We're not. Captain Phillips, there's no accent. He's got an accent. Watch Captain Phillips.

He's from Vermont in that movie. Yeah, he's got like a weird Massachusetts kind of pseudo-Maschus accent. You think you listen to Rosillo? Is it key in on that? It sounds like Rissillo doing a Vermont accent. and then the terminal he's got an accent but it's like the accents are his way to be like

I'm just bored I've done everything He has in a cloud Atlas too Yeah I mean yeah Yeah He got bored You 1,000%

Do not need an accent Catch me if you can You're playing a composite character Yes I agree The guy could be from fucking anywhere Yeah Just be Tom Hanks Why are you talking like this

And whatever he's trying to do Knock knock Fuck you I don't think this is a great Hanks movie Even though I love having Tom Hanks in it I agree with you Bill Would not put this in his top 50. But this is, I mean, to me it's not a hottest,

the hottest take is him saying he's the goat. He's not the goat. Well, he's the most successful actor we've had in the last 50 years. If you're just talking about reach of people, popularity of the movies, people he's worked with, the specific run he had. I mean,

he's bigger than Tom Cruise, you think? I think he's, Tom Cruise, he's won two Oscars. Yeah. He should have won three for Castaway. Do you think Hayes is capable of having a comeback the way Cruz is having? Cruz has gotten nominated once for an Oscar.

I think Hanks has made more serious films in the last 20 years than Cruz has since the couch jump and all that stuff. But I think Cruz is much more of a cultural force. I think the big difference is... That's a different argument, though. But Hanks is... The thing with Hanks is... Hanks won back-to-back best actor Oscars. Yeah, but one of them was for Forrest Gump.

Like, what are we doing? Hey, he's really good in Forrest Gump. We did Forrest Gump. We did Forrest Gump in the Rwatch. I love Falsg. But in a very sentimental, like, I was 13 kind of way. Yeah. Like, this is one of the greatest movies.

You had orgasming conversation again, just for my benefit. Okay. You had Hanks on the pod. Yeah. He's like one of the greatest guests ever. He's such a good guy, such a good storyteller. He's like the mayor of Hollywood for the last 40 years. So everybody loves him.

I love him. I'm not saying I don't like Tom Hanks. I love Tom Hanks. But like he's neither the goat movie star nor the goat actor to me. Even close. Not even close. Best better actor than Cruz. Is he?

Is he? And born on the fourth of July? Could Cruz have been in Big? Yes. Could Cruz have been on Castaway at an island for an hour by himself? I bet Cruz would make Castaway tomorrow. We have forgotten. Hank's is a better actor than Cruz.

What are you guys talking about? This is a great debate, but you're wrong. How am I wrong? Because Hank's has done so many movies in the last 20 years that suck. I know, but Hank's, he flew too close to the sun. He was the best actor in the world for nine years. I think it's funny. You look at a movie like Greyhound, right?

which is like really sturdy, the ultimate, like, two and a half star movie. It's like, it'll get you through the afternoon. And in part works because he's in it. And he can do that. But he actually doesn't do enough of those. He doesn't do enough doubles that when he tries to stretch for a triple, it often goes terribly wrong and he gets thrown out by 10 feet. And that's the problem.

Like, Cruz actually doesn't do that anymore. Cruz is like, I got a lane. I'm sticking to it. Every time you go to the movies with me, we're going to have a good time. It's like me and my charisma. That's Cruz for the last 20 years. I'm a charismatic guy. Here's my next movie.

Oh, you're saying that that's what Cruz does. I was talking about it. Bill Simmons does. Okay. No, Cruz is like, here's my charisma. I'm Tom Cruise. Yeah, he knows exactly what he's good at. And he puts himself in a position to succeed.

Could Tom Cruise have been the guy in Philadelphia? No. Yes. I don't think so. I do. Could Tom Cruise have been Forrest Gump? No. Could Tom Cruise have been the kid in big?

Are you going to ask any of these questions where you reverse it and say, could Tom Hanks have been a mission possible? He could not. Could Tom Hanks be? in Days of Thunder In Edge of Tomorrow Or Minority Report? Like, could Tom

Who would you rather have had in Taken? Like probably Tom Cruise. But that proves that Tom Cruise is a better movie star That you put him in these kind of generic vehicles Who's better at eyesweds? Tom Cruise. By a million. The movie doesn't make sense without Tom Cruise.

Well, because it's tied into all the dark shit in real life. What about few good men? I could see that being a split decision, but Tom Cruise is perfect. Hanks could do it. He could do it. But I prefer Tom Cruise. Listen, somehow you've got, this is classic fantasy.

There's no bigger cruise fan than me. And Hanks is having me. Box them out. Hanks has had a better career, though. He's a more accomplished actor than Tom Cruise. They've both had weird 21st centuries, I'll say that. Yeah. Yeah, but Hanks, Hanks from basically 80s and 90s, that's 20 years where he's like...

Would you put Denzel above either of them? I think Hanks and Denzel are in the same kind of... Let's just list every single movie that Tom Hanks has made since Catch Me If You Can, okay? That's not fair, though. That's like... It's 20 years of bad work. But Cruz had this whole section where he's like his career's over. And now it is like Tom Hanks is over.

And he's going to make two mission impossible that he's going to die. But this is Cruz's longevity as part of like the Cruz's argument though. I mean, I agree. Like he's, as we've talked about on some of the. PODs. He's basically he has a suicide packed with himself. Yes? I mean, Bill, this is like a 10-year run between 2002

and 2013 where you're like, what the fuck were you doing? It's not good. It hurts his case. Read it for the listeners. It's bad. So, starting in 2004, right after Catch Me If You Can, you get the Lady Killers and the Terminal. He also stars in the Polar Express,

in a motion capture performance, which is a successful movie, but is not a good movie. He's then in 2006 in the Da Vinci Code, and then 2007, Charlie Wilson's War. And then in 2009, he's in Angels and Demons, the sequel to the Da Vinci Code. Yep. And then...

I didn't like either DaVinci Code movie. 2011, Larry Crown, which he directed, which was one of the worst movies of all time. That's bad. And then extremely loud and incredibly close. Not good. Cloud Atlas. I like Cloud Atlas.

It's interesting, but not good. You like Cloud Atlas, but you don't like a rival. I just like Cloud Atlas is fine. Okay. And then he kind of settles. into this solid run of dad movies. Captain Phillips saving Mr. Banks, Bridge of Spies,

a hologram for the king, Sully, and then Inferno, another Da Vinci Code movie. He really committed to the DaVinci Code bit. But then the circle, the post, Greyhound, A Beautiful Day in the neighborhood, News of the World, did anybody watch that? Mr. Rogers was a...

Finch, the Apple TV Plus movie, Elvis, this is not a great time. What was the other movie he made? Which one? The one that just came out after a man called auto. A man called auto, which has been a big hit. My dad loved that movie. Did he? My dad and my stepmother went and they were like, that movie was amazing.

My dad's 75. It's not. I've seen the film. It's perfectly okay, but it's like a beat for beat remake of a Scandinavian movie that came out 10 years ago. I have not seen it. It's not on my list. I think Cruz's had a bigger career. I think Hank's had a better career. Because Cruz's money has made more

movies have made more money for a longer period of time. So your original SAS hot take was that this movie is a chip in the armor of Hanks's goatness. I said if you were making a Hank's goat argument. Which you kind of are. No, I think he's the most successful actor of the last 50 years.

Okay. The way that compare this, I think would be to go from 88 to 2001 for both of them and you compare those runs. Because that's when they're both at the height of their power. I think Hank should have three Oscars. I thought he should have one for Castaway. I mean, Cruz at a minimum should have two.

For Jerry McGuire and for Magnolia, at a minimum. Didn't we legislate this with Magnolia, though? Who beat him out for that? I don't know, but there's nobody who is better than Frank T.J. Mack. It's funny, I'm looking at Denzel's 20-year run during that same Hank's period, and the movies are argued. He does some paycheck movies, though. Yeah, but you know what?

All his paycheck movies are kind of satisfying. They're more fun because he has Tony Scott. I would way rather watch the equalizer than Finch. But he has, you know, deja vu and taking a Pelham one, two, three. He's got way more fun movies. But here's the problem. Here's the problem with what happened to Hank's, though. He became modern-day Jimmy Stewart guy.

And when you're modern-day Jimmy Stewart guy, you're a handicapped by the roles you have to take at that point. You can't be, he can't be like in deja vu, you know. Are you sure, though, that he couldn't do that? Because he's doing a lot of weird stuff. I think he wanted to be Jimmy Stewart. So that then that That chooses what movie roles You're taking from that point on

You're either going backwards Or you're taking these weird terminal type parts Here's the thing No matter what this was great podcasting The I'm looking at the 2000 So Cruz loses To Michael Kane

In the Ciderhouse rules That's atrocious But he also lost to Jude Law And the talent of Mr. Ripley So that those would be the two I love Drew Lawn that movie, but Cruz is blowing the doors off of those guys in MacGowly. I thought Cruz should have went to. What was the other one you said?

Jerry McGuire. No, that one, there was a reason he didn't win, although I did love him in Jerry McGuire. That was, was that the first rewatchable? It's really early. That was when we legislated. How did he get back to Arizona in time? From Arizona to L.A., yeah. So he loses that one.

This one is abominable, too. Oh, yeah, that was bad. Come on. He lost a Jeffrey Russian shot. You're right. So Cruz should have two. Yeah. All right.

So that would help the Cruz argument. Well, but that's the thing is ultimately Cruz will lose this debate because Hanks has back-to-back Oscars for two legendary performances

in Philadelphia and in Forrest Gump. And then, you know, he makes like Apollo 13 13 right after that and then you've got mail right after that. How many does Washington have? You have two but one supporting one best act?

Denzel has glory and training day. And should have Malcolm X. And definitely should have Malcolm X. Yeah. So we've learned today that Amy Adams is overrated and Tom Hanks is overrated. And Tom Cruise is the best actor

a lot time of time. That's not what I said. Wait, we have a great casting with if. You want to do it, Chris? Yeah, so this would have been my SAS hot take,

which is that this is a better movie with James Gandalfini, who was originally supposed to play Hat Rattie and had been, like, locked in to do it. Such a bummer. This is like,

the production of this film is really interesting because it was, Spielberg was producing and it was going to be at DreamWorks, but there was always like these other directors

circling it, and the couple actually got to the point like Gore Vribinski was like gonna make this movie and they'd waited to make it because of Sopranos shooting and they just lost their window with Gandalfini but...

Well then we had Fincher in 2000 drops out for Panicroom Leo's in with Gorbibinsky then Gandalfini with Ed Harris as Christopher Walker's part and Chloe 7 as Brenda Interesting and then Verbinski drops out

because Gangs of New York runs long Yeah Chris knows on eventually lose. That's my guy. Yeah. And then there's also some Cameron Crow

talk about directing. Yeah, that would have been a weird one. Cameron Crow? I think he would have gotten a hero. Like, it could have done it. It's a different movie, but I think he could have done it. Yeah.

But the point is, is that Gandalfini just brings a menace to Carl, but also like a kind of weird, fractured vulnerability to Carl that I think Hank doesn't have either of. That's just reminded me

that's an interesting intersection too because Cameron Crow does vinal sky instead. Right. with Cruz. Speaking of Cruz. I think that thing that bones me out

about this one is Gandalfini never had like the great movie role in the 2000s once it began Tony. The two biggest ones for Gandalfini that bummed me out.

It's this and it's the fact that he was supposed to play Titoro and the night of and they actually shot the pilot for that and then he passed away

and they they re-launched it with Tart Tuturo but such a bummer. He's also such an amazing movie actor like even like killing them softly

or like whatever, the Mexican, like the small parts, Crimson Tide. Like, he's so... Mexican, he's great. He was so great. Yeah, this would have been

the perfect spot for him. Like, playing off Leo, he would have been a little menacing. You could see also, like, there's something about the way that Frank's always outrunning Carl that Tom Hanks almost like hams it up when he's, like, pursuing him.

He's like, oh, I could... I just got here late! But you could see, like, Gandalfini being, like, winded. And, like, can imagine him, like, hauling ass up these stairs and just being like, God damn it. Like, he had, like, it was, it was just a real bummer. It's a different movie. Well, this was in the research, and I have no idea how true it is, but apparently Spielberg wanted Johnny Depp at one point.

For Frank. At the time, that makes a lot of sense. I think that was, like, the right time frame for Depp. Depp's never kind of, what's the closest to this movie that he's been in? I mean, he's spent most of his career kind of, like, going away from. Yeah. He's very weirdo. barely does dashing.

Yeah. Yeah, like dashing, breezy charisma. Yeah. It would have been a fun one. And then going back to 1981, there was like, when they first started developing it,

Dustin Hoffman was involved for a split second, which doesn't work for me at all. I feel like fast-talking con man thing he could have done. It would have been a different tone, right? Guy has to be handsome, though. Yeah. I don't know. Did you read this that Abagnale,

one of the reasons he was able to get away with stuff was because he looked older than a teenager, so it's kind of ironic. He like went prematurely gray. Yeah. But then again, like, did he do any of this? Right, fair point. But Leo is so boyish.

Hoffman could have played him like Rain Man, and then Amy Adams' connection would have made more sense in this movie with whatever she was doing. Jesus Christ. The Ruffalo, Hannah Rubenick Partridge overacting award. You gonna go with Amy? And the Teddy KGB actor doing their own thing award.

Both goes to Amy Adams. Yeah. Giving her both. I still don't understand what she's doing in this movie. And why she sat up Martin Sheen's lap. There's just some unanswered questions. I just want to celebrate how appealing Ellen Pompeo was at this time. She's just... And the old school is like a year later?

Yeah. And then somebody's like, let's put her in a TV show. And when's the last time you've tried the necklace thing with Carrie? Did you drop this? I'm going to try it tonight. Hit Zales on the way home. Best that guy award. How about...

I don't know. Is her first name Nathalie or Natalie? Natalie. Natalie Bay. Natalie Bay is the French mom. A veteran of Jean-Luc Goddard, one of the good-looking. I love that scene where

when Hanradi comes to see her and she's just like, well, how much does he all write you a check? He's like $1.3 million. That's good. Deanne Waiters, she's eligible. Garner. Banks.

James Brolin. Banks. Who do you got? I really like Banks in this movie. She's pretty good. She's pretty fun. When he asks her, he's like, I'm going to take you to steak dinner, and she's just like, oh, my God.

Is this the first time we saw her? I think it might have been. It's in the running. When did the Mark Wahlberg-Filly movie come out that Chris couldn't stop in time? Invincible? Is that what that movie's called? Why weren't you here a consultant? Chris, you were up for that part.

I was, yeah. What happened? That was like probably 2005, Rich. Yeah, I think she's... That's where I first really remember her. She got such a great laugh. I was too busy going to see TV on the radio. I was like, I can't do it.

I have... Frank's mom for Deon Waiters. I think she's great in this movie. She's really good. So, Not Garner. Not Garner's trying too hard. Okay. She's a little too much.

Yeah. I like Brolin. I had Brolin down too. I love the Brolin family. Yeah. What's funny is Josh Berlin easily also could have played this part 20 years later. Yeah. Yeah. In 2002, Josh Brolin easily could have been coming out of the bedroom.

That's the guy. Do you think of Josh Browlin as one of your guys? No, but I just love him in no country. Him and Sicario, too. Yeah. He's so good in Sicario. He's great. Recasting couch, I already did Scarlet Johansson for Amy Adams.

Would you have? I mean, I think that the Salome, if you were going to do it today. 2023? Yeah. Salamay with who? Zendaya. Zendaya's Tom Hanks? What about Leo is Tom Hanks?

Oh, love it. Oh, this is great. great. Yeah. That's good. I love it. I wonder when, like, Leo will truly take,

like a second banana roll, like a real one. I was thinking about our guy Sterling K. Brown is that Tom Hanks would have been good. Yeah. She's trying to put Sterling K. Brown and stuff up. Yeah,

let's get him that Oscar nomination. Have Fast Internet Research. They bought this in 1980 because Norman Lear and Bud York and saw Frank on the Tonight Show. We're like, we're buying the rights. Then it goes from Columbia,

Hollywood Pictures, bungalow 78 pictures, Paramount Pictures, and then DreamWorks in 97, and then Spielberg's going to produce, and then eventually becomes involved. The real Abagnale never saw his father again after he ran away from home. So Spielberg invented basically all the father-son stuff.

The real FBI agent was named Joseph Shea. Who most closely resembled Hanradi. Who did not want to be used. Frank Abagnall Jr. is. in this movie as the French officer who arrest Frank on Christmas Eve and that's all I got for half a set internet research.

I thought it was cool that they did 157 different locations. Spilberg shot this like in a race but one thing that's interesting is like a lot of Miami, Atlanta and all that stuff is actually just different parts of California and so like for instance the Ontario airport

is the Miami airport. I don't know. Have you ever been to the Ontario airport? Never. You? Is that your secret airport? That was a disaster has happened. We have to fly out of Ontario situation. Okay. And it's like, no, it's close.

It's like, no, it's actually not close. It's like two hours away, right? We're in traffic going 10 miles and hour. And just for my guy here, Yanush Kerminski screened Maisel Brothers movies to get ready for this. So we watched high school in Salesman. That's first grade photographer. I'm not sure I really see

the Verite style of the mazels in Janusz's photography. You can do it. It's your, it's your, ball now. Maybe they capture the way that men looked. I think it was more for behavioral stuff back then. Okay. Cool. Apex mound.

It's funny, Spielberg, Leo, and Hanks is no for everybody. Yeah, I guess so. Although this is a pretty great Leo moment, but yeah. Yeah, but this is not. What is his apex? We did this already.

Oh, we said it was Titanic. Has to be. Right. Leo's Apex Mountain is Titanic? Yeah. He could have done anything he wanted after Titanic. He didn't work for three years. years and just got to work for every director he wanted after that.

Gosh. He was the biggest star in the planet. That's actually the best Apex Mountain Exploration I've ever heard. That's it. All right. Sold. I prefer Django, but whatever. The father of the bridehouse.

I'm still going to say Father of the Bride. Conman movies. What is it if it's not this? The Sting. Yeah. I agree. Walking. No way.

I'm trying to think what it is then. Deer Hunter. I mean I would More cowbell I felt like he had Is pulp not his apex mountain? I feel like he had the most use in like the 93-94 range

When he was like an unbelievable Sinal host He started popping in in these movies Like true romance and pulp And it felt like he was like the guy That's like 93-94 Yeah He was like the character actor Do you have a walk-in that you do?

I used to have a Do you have a favorite walk-in performance? I still think mine's Annie Hall It's a great scene He's the king of the great scene I love him and Deer Hunter Yeah Yeah

The fucking Russian roulette All that stuff is so good in that movie And he hid this hunk of metal Up his ass For two years Pope he's great I mean true romance That's probably the most lit

Yeah It's hopper scene But Walkin's incredible in it Yeah In a vendetta kind of mood Joe Garagiola I'm gonna say probably doing the World Series, probably winning

a World Series. Pan Am Airlines maybe. So Pan Am, TWA was Hughes, right? Mm-hmm. Right. This Pan Am, that's a great look for Pan Am. Did you have a favorite 80s? What was like when you first started flying? What was your...

I wish I didn't remember. Eastern, U.S. Air? Never really thought about it. They all seem kind of the same to me. Now they all have like these distinct personalities. You know? We used to fly. Southwest is like your cousin that went broke. Southwest is your cousin doesn't know how to turn on his computer

your cousin who got out of jail but don't ask him about it that Astin Martin Silver 1963 DBS I mean Goldfinger is probably the Goldfinger still in there That car in this movie is sourced from a dealership

in my hometown Huntington Station It was so hard to find They had to actually just borrow it from somebody who owned it But that car is a $25 million car Do you think it's still sitting there in the Long Island? Presumably. You don't think some hedge fund guy bought it?

Steve Cohen probably. He was driving it to City Field every day. He was going to give it to Carlos Correa. What do you have for best resource name? Paperhanger? That's a good one. Yeah. I had Abignow.

Not Abignale! Abignale. Abignale. Catch me? Catch me if you can. It's a great resource name. Yeah. Yeah, that is. That's the answer.

What about like, there's definitely some words in this movie I've never heard before, like Micr. Oh, yeah. Yeah. M-I-C-R. Picky Nets. Carl's not going to look at Frank's wallet for like five minutes in the Hollywood hotel room. This is, this speaks to the fantasy tractor beam of Leo.

You're in the room with him. You're going to be like, kind of some identification? Just nothing. He's just got those, those eyes, you know? Terrible job. You want to believe him. What happens? He's a doctor in Atlanta and suddenly he's in New Orleans as a lawyer.

it's like three minutes of the movie. There's like a series of things in this movie. It's like, wait, what? Like, there's a scene where Hanks is, you know, he's like, no, you let him get away, where he's in the office with his boss. And then one scene later, he's in France. We were like, we were just told that you can't go to Europe. So how did you get to Europe?

They let you go now after this and they don't explain it? Yeah. There's some stuff. There's some choppiness. Atlanta to New Orleans to Miami to France is, maybe we would have spent a couple more minutes on that. I also just think that, like, you can fake. There are certain things you can, like, learn from watching TV.

I just think that there's too much stuff going on as a doctor. I think people would have been like... Yeah, like you watch Dr. Kildare and dragnet. But like once you have like a guy's tibia sticking out, you're probably like, I don't know how to fix this. Do you think that Bill when he said, is Amy Adams overrated, should have said, do you concur?

That would be good podcasting. Why did people think Frank went to law school and med school when he looked like he was like 25? I don't know. Nobody did that math? We didn't have made. You should be like 38. I do think there's something to

you just put on the doctor's coat or you just put on the pilot's uniform and you just people want to believe they just want to believe what you tell them. I was going to ask you guys this because you made the George Santos joke earlier and then we also have all these examples

of like a guy being like some coach at like a fucking D2 school who's like I actually was in the army and it's like no you weren't you know like do you think that it was more I'm so excited for you to reveal something you've been lying but do you think that it's more innocent during a time when nobody could check these things and people just

sort of embellish. Whereas like, it seems more psychotic now because you're like, you know you're going to get caught. It's just, this is literally like a too Google thing to find out that you were not the women's volleyball coach. Right. I do miss the days where we could innocently defraud banks of millions of dollars. That was a special time in our history.

It did make it better for movies, though. But like if I told you. Like movies like this, you could just get away with it. away with all kinds of shit. When I got interviewed by you at Grantland and you were like, what are your qualifications to be a soccer writer? And I was like, well, I lived in England for 10

years where I was a writer for the Times of London. And you were like, wow, it sounds like you really got it all taken care of things. You sure are qualified. Yeah. And then you found out that that wasn't true. You would be like, that's psychotic.

But instead, what you said is I've been blogging from my Brooklyn apartment for the last five years. Like every other great writer. It's like, you left now and you said, I ran audio and video for Grantland. How would people fact-check that? Let me give you some Tom Cruise since 2005.

Tom Cruise? Yeah. I'm not done with Tom Cruise versus Tankyard. What the fuck are we talking about? War of the Worlds, Mission Impossible Three, lines for lambs, tropic thunder. Tropic thunder, good one. Valkyry?

That movie sucks. That movie's good. Night and day? Awful. Night day is awful. awful. Okay. Ghost Protocol, Rock of Ages, one of the worst movies the last 15 years.

Jack Reacher, where he's supposed to be playing a 6'5 5'5 guy, but he's 5'8. Oblivion. Pretty good. Tomorrow, that was good. It was awesome. Mission Impossible Rogue Nation. Sick. Jack Reacher, never go back.

The Mummy, American Made, Mission Impossible Fallout and Top Gun Maverick. He's just making safe Tom Cruise choices for 20 years. Hanks is out there like, I'll try this. I'll try that. Much more admirable. I'm almost impressed that you're doubling down on this.

Just like, Hanks, what's he going to do? You arguing against the guy who's had the last three, four years that Cruz had. Cruz also just resurrected the movie business. I love Cruz. All he's doing is playing franchise action things. Stephen Spielberg,

the man who made Catch Me If You Can, thanked Tom Cruise publicly for saving movies. Maybe that tilts it. Meanwhile, Tom Hanks is just like another Apple movie. Good deal. It's tough, man. You didn't even watch Finch.

It was COVID was happening. A movie came on Apple TV Plus starring Hanks. You didn't watch it. I wouldn't want to watch Larry Bird play basketball right now. You wouldn't? No, I honestly wouldn't. And yet, I want to watch Tom Cruise a dangle from a cliff. This reminds me of the LeBron versus MJ argument where the longer LeBron plays,

we have to start thinking he's the goat just because he's going to play 25 years. Because he broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's record of all-time 40,000 points and all the stuff. I was there for both, and MJ was better. But the comparison is apt because LeBron can still go for 40, and so can Tom Cruise. And you know who can't?

Tom Hanks. Yeah. You can't. He's a little older. Cruz never had anything like Hanks from 91 to 2000. Just unbelievable run. I just, I'm a quality over quantity guy.

You're obviously a quality guy. That makes him sound like Albert Bell or something. It's like he had a nice six-year stretch. Yeah, he was a good. Good. He was dominant for six years. Nine years. What are the years you were talking about there for, for, Hanks?

What were, like, 91 to 2000? When was the league of their own? I'm just looking at what Tom Cruise is. Yeah, rattle it off. Yeah, so Tom Cruise, 92 to 2000s, a few good men, the firm interview with a vampire, Mission Impossible, Jerry McGuire, eyes wide shut Magnolia, Mission Impossible 2, the others, well, you only executive pretty sad, and Vanilla Sky.

And then Minority Report. Are you saying that compares to Hanks from 92 to 2000? Just saying it's not, it's not a conversation. Hanks was the voice of Toy Story. I was just going to say, I do think Toy Story actually puts him over the home. To quote you, I'd have the meeting. Okay. I'd take the phone call.

If it was, hey, on the other line, it's Tom Cruise from that era. So Tom Hanks calls you and he says. Tom Cruise is my favorite actor of all time. I still don't know how to defend it. Doesn't seem like it. You just got worked on your own podcast. I still think Hanks. X's better goat credentials

Who is the goat then? Your hero, Daniel Day Lewis? John Wayne is weird. No, I mean, I thought about this even before we were going to record because Daniel Dayloos didn't make enough movies I'm like, I would love to watch that movie right now. He made a lot of movies where the performance was amazing,

but I think I just have more fun at Tom Cruise movies. And that's really what it boils down to. So last 50 years, this is the Desert Island argument. So you wouldn't put Pacino or DeNiro No, if it's Desert Island argument, I'd rather have the Cruz library than any other actor. Okay. Right. But that's not the same thing as Goat to you.

I think De Niro is the best actor of my lifetime. Okay. But I also, you could hold the last 20 years against them the same way Sean is shitting on Hanksdown. With the Terminal and a couple other ones. Like, you could take DeNero's last 20 years. Would you like to defend the Terminal? I can. I think Tom made some bad movies.

It's tough. I think if you're looking at it. DaVinci Code movies to me or that should have been his franchise and they're both bad movies. I just didn't like them. I liked in the first one when Paul Bettney portrayed CR where he was just like hit himself with a strap

the self-flagellation. You know what I think really is also it counts against Tom Hanks for me. He never worked with Michael Mann. Right. Why didn't Michael Mann want to work with him? I think both guys as they hit the later part of their career

became trapped in whatever their persona was but Cruz's persona was much more fun for us because Cruz's persona was like action franchises keeping oh this stunt's going to be even crazier than the last one of I did whereas Hanks is like I've got a new accent

and try Philly one this one so you would put Cruz and Hanks in a tier one right and then would you put Denzel Denzel has to be that I'd have Denzel in there too where would you put like say Harrison Ford so this is Harrison Ford's an interesting one because I kind of

I always feel like no he is but I always kind of feel like he's a little like Cruz where he was just always

Harrison Ford I mean you can say the same thing about Costner yeah much prefer Ford to Costner

myself if Ford's just you know I think the thing that Ford has is is well Costner I guess

had it too but Ford Ford was able to play like the presumed innocent guy who might fuck his

secretary in the desk yeah whereas like I Cruz could never like kind of master that side of whatever. He was always a little weird. He was always the wrongly accused man,

but there was never anything that was like bad about. Like yeah. Like his thing would be like Jerry Maguire. Even in eyes wide shut, he never has sex with anybody. It's just him making the Tom Cruise face looking confused. I guess he starts kind of hooking up with the Cole Kidman at one point, but not really.

Yeah, man, they get pretty nude. Yeah. The only time is interview with the vampire, where he's the villain. He is the bad guy. And he's the guy who, you know, fucks the girl. But that's my point with Hank's. Like, I feel like he got pigeonholed with like, I'm Jimmy Stewart now.

But like, if you were going to do. So when he's the villain, he's like in Elvis with a weird accent and a ton of makeup hiding behind, you know? Like he's not Philip C. Moffin and the Mission Impossible movie being like, I'm going to be a fucking bad guy. I don't know why he doesn't do that. I think he would actually have a lot of fun doing that. Instead he keeps trying to do these character parts where it's some. Because he wants to be liked by a guy. everybody.

I guess. I do like him. I like Tom. Either way, and no matter where you look at it, when you look at like Harrison Ford's filmography, Denzel's filmography,

like all of these guys fall off a cliff like in 2005. Yeah. You know, and they all just start making shit. It's like sports. That's when the business starts to change. Spider-Man comes out,

Marvel gets into high gear in 08. The business change. It's not about movie stars. Circling back to Leo, it'll be interesting to see if that happens to him. What are his 50s going to look like? every movie has been a hit even Don't Look Up, which we can quibble with

That was the biggest movie on Netflix for like 10 weeks But he's not in his 50s yet Right, right Nicholson had Colonel Jessup In that was 93 But even going back to Terms of Endearment And as good as it gets in 98 And he does about Schmidt in this year

But he just stopped acting But it starts to tail off in the 21st century Terms of Endearment And broadcast news and, you know, Pritzie's honor. And he had that middle period where he made that transition that you're talking about with Leo.

But he made... Also, Wolf. Yeah. Well, that's not great. Although, Wolf's kind of gaining steam. Incredible flawed rewatchables contender Wolf. Because there's some insane shit in that. Do you like Hoffa?

No. I don't. You do, Chris? I like the mammoth stuff. The real mammoty. All the real fashion. Wait, let's put up. Okay.

Catch me if you can. Sequel prequel prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. I actually think this would be an incredible prestige TV. I don't know if it's more than one season, but maybe it's two, but I think it would be good. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, David Treo, Catherine Hahn, Steve Bishemi, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, or Philip Baker Hall. What's interesting about this, all seven of those people could have been in this movie. Swap Catherine Hahn for Amy Adams. Better movie? Oh, yeah.

For Bill. For Bill. Yeah. Now I'm an Amy Adams critic. But I think it would have been interesting if the first time Frank rides the airplane, if the pilot had been John Bernthal. And it had been like, God damn, Frank! I didn't know you were a deadhead. And you know what?

I thought you were to do it as tanks at the end when he's in France. You were so missed on this moment on whiplash. On whiplash? So missed. Yeah. Well, we have since this is the first one we've done since a guy on YouTube Did it super cut of all the Wayne Jenkins

Which made me laugh so fucking hard It was like 11 minutes My favorite part of watching that is listening to the two of you Fucking laughing on it It's great Just want to ask her who gets it Leo Yeah, he's incredible I would say Leo

Well you could say Waukin since you got nominated But I think Leo's better than Wockett Probably in answerable questions How did he cheat on the bar I still am not buying the S-studied for two weeks. You can't really ask, possibly questions, because it's just, the answer is he didn't. Could you really escape from an airplane through the toilet? No, apparently.

I looked that up. Yeah, I don't. That seems. I looked up to see, did he ever fly a plane? Because I was like, that would be alarming. When you say you looked up, you mean you tried it? Or how did you determine that? You went to it to be in an airplane.

Why don't more people in the 60s try to forge checks? It seems like it was so easy back then. Well, I think it was kind of like People probably did, we don't know. But I think when you got tagged with that, it was like being a horse thief in the Wild West. It was like if you were a check kiter, it really followed you around.

Okay. Any other in answerables? No, just why is Tom Hanks using that accent? Best double feature choice. What was the one you said? The Fableman's. Because it's, you know, a movie about a guy who really looks up to his dad,

but also is rejecting him and trying to better him and I had gangs of New York because it came out five days apart I also think the Aviator would be interesting pairing it

Aviator is a great choice It's like kind of Leo moving toward the Where you out on the aviator? I like it I don't know why Kate Blanchett won an Oscar for it but

because she did a really good Catherine Hepburn No I know but that was just weird that that actually won an Oscar Would it have been better if Amy Adams was doing Catherine Hepburn? Amy Adams couldn't have done that

Andy and Red Zawatton A word for what happened the next day, we know what happened. He ended up becoming a guy who created checks and made lots of money. And then somebody wrote a book where it was like, this guy didn't fucking... Yeah. What would you want memorabilia-wise from this movie, Chris? For Astor Martin.

Yeah, I guess that's almost like that. Although I really like Leo's sunglasses that he wears at the Miami airport when he goes to pick up Brenda, but I would definitely want to ask him. I was thinking of the suitcase of cash, which was obviously fake cash. Yeah. But it would be fun to bring out as like, here's my suitcase of fake cash from... Even the James Bond suit. You should start wearing a pilot uniform. Just for pods?

Yeah. Hey guys, prepare for takeoff. Coach Finstock Award. Best Life Lesson. I think check forging is my favorite of all the crimes. Like in a history of crime? How is that a life lesson? Well, it's just like if you're going to be a criminal.

Is that just a statement of preference? If you're going to be a criminal, forge checks. Don't murder. Don't murder. You can't even go into intelligence. There are no victims of this crime. It's just victims are banks. It's all replaceable.

In real life where apparently the victims were individuals who were scammed by him. Is that true? Yes. Right. I don't support that. That wasn't in the movie. Yeah. You know, we have FDIC now.

You know, it's all good. I love how people say that. It's just like, FDIC makes it okay to rob banks. It's just like, your money isn't shown. We're here for president. They're like, what are you here for? It's like forging checks. I feel like the other inmates would go.

All right, cool, man. We'll leave you alone. Check forger. thought about if you were a bank robber what your speech to the folks on the ground would be? Like, what would you say? Not just like your money's insured. Didn't we do this once on a podcast

where what would all our roles be if we're robbing a bank? Did we do this during one of the heats? Yeah, I think we did. I'd be the wheelman who gets nervous and drives away without you guys. I think I wanted to be the wheelman too. You would be a pretty good wheelman.

That's scary. I'd also be okay with the standing on the counter screaming and everybody, we're not here for your money. We're here for the banks money. We're here for the banks money. Yeah. Don't be a hero. We'll be in and out in three minutes.

Have you ever thought about what, like, point-break style mask you'd like to wear in a bank robbery? Because I think now after last night's Grizzlies game, I'd go Harden Mask. I'd like it. That would be... My favorite athlete. Can you imagine that would be that if they brought point break back

and it was all NBA player mask and then the league got mad and threatened to sue the movie. Like, great publicity. Who would you wear? Not Hardin. Hardin would be, like, heavy and sweaty. Yokic mask?

Yokic would be great. Nobody would even be like, I think that guy's in the NBA. I think for a mass thing, Samhouser. I wouldn't want something, Samhouser. I wouldn't want something super big

and cumbersome. I almost think you'd want to just cover like your eyes and your cheek, right? Like a lone ranger. Yeah. Like a lone ranger mask. Nobody's going to notice you in the lone ranger mask. But what about you?

You get the baby blues. I'd have to like probably colored context. Color of context. Yeah, color context. We all think Leo won the movie. Yeah. There you go. That's it for the rewatchables.

We'll find out who produced this movie because we're in a studio by ourselves and hopefully Sean Fentasy recorded it correctly. And we'll be back next week on the rewatchables. Go check out that super cut on YouTube. What was that guy's name? Nilton? I guess we did it. We put it on Twitter. I hearted the tweet on Twitter.

So if you go to my Twitter and you look at what I've liked, you'll see the supercut of Wayne Jackets. It's on YouTube. We'll put it up. Yeah. All right. It's Milton J90. There you go. All right.

See you next week.