The Rewatchables - ‘Cliffhanger’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

Episode Date: January 3, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt scale the Rocky Mountains to revisit the 1993 action-thriller ‘Cliffhanger,’ starring Sylvester Stallone, Michael Rooker, and John Lithgow. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You cannot find Kyle Brands Basement. That's on another podcast network, but it's a great podcast. You could also find Kyle a good morning football with our friend Shreggs. Coming up next, Kyle, if we don't do this now,

you're going to be stuck in that ledge for the rest of your life. Cliffhanger is next. They stole $100 million in midair and lost it. Now to get it back Recognize these locations?

They'll make one man a hostage. You're not going after him. What was it my God? And the other, a moving target. Clifhanger, Reddit R. Starts Friday, May 28th out of theater near you. All right, Kyle Brannis here. We only bring him out for the big ones.

Seagall, Stallone, Schwarzenegger, just the greats, the true Hall of Famers. Cliffhanger comes out in 1993. It is May. And I am scheduling a trip to go see my buddy Gus in Florida, trying to figure out a weekend. And we actually timed the trip for when this movie came out because Slice Stallone was back.

Slice Stallone was in a slump. He had done Rocky 5. He'd done Oscar. He'd then stop my mom will shoot. This trailer starts coming out, the commercials, and we're like, Slice back? Is he back? And 30 years later, this would be the 30-year anniversary

in a couple months. It's beautiful. I think this is the best non-Rocky, non-Ramble. Slice Stallone movie. I'm going to start there. What do you think? That's a take. It's vintage, in a sense. And it's also, like, it's just so early 90s, everything about it when I, I haven't watched it a long time. The violence is, like, sickening in this movie. The technology is terrible, but they think it's awesome. There's, like, everything from the early 90s, like, stoner bros, and then Stallone is handsome as hell in this movie. He is in his prime, like, fresh face.

There's a hilarious device by which they have him take off his coat just so he can show off the guns for the rest of the movie. And it's mostly known, Bill, and I'm so excited to talk to you about this. I'm going to be an audience member for part of this. It's a movie that is mostly known 30 years later for one scene. And it's one of the greatest opening scenes of all time. That's what I think about when I think Cliffhanger. Couldn't agree more. Cannot wait to talk about this.

And let's just talk about it now. Let's just, I'll throw away my outline. I will never understand why Michael Rooker's character, Hal, is upset at Stallone. He takes his stupid girlfriend up who doesn't know how to climb, who thinks it's a great idea to climb this tower. And we take a shot wide of this mountain that they climb. It's the most scary, harrowing mountain I've ever seen. And she's like, well, she's not really a climber. It's like, well, why'd you take her on this mountain?

Somehow he gets hurt? What happens? Was it a chop block? How did he hear this? He had a knee injury, and he said it was an old nom injury, but it was a hot tub. injury, but he's wrapped up when they get up there. So he's walking wounded a little bit, and she's petrified. She couldn't be more scared. And it's like, when we see the wide shot of them, I understand why she's scared because we're in the most terrifying place in the earth.

So anyway, they have to rescue her. There's some sort of issue with the thing breaks. Sly, does Michael Rooker's character? Does he climb out there on the rope to go get her? No. Oh, can only hold one person. Well, she's falling anyway. Somebody's got to go get her. and Sly Shimmie's down there, does everything he can. She falls to her death. And Hal's fucking pissed. What are you mad at? Why is he upset?

I don't get it. He acted. And not only is he upset in the moment, for the rest of the film, they're just beating the crap out of Sly, Gabe, for letting her go. And the helicopter pilot did nothing. Frank could do nothing. Rooker did less than nothing other than scream. and he makes this pathetic attempt, if you watch it back, his attempt is, I'm going to send out my harness. And it's like, what do you mean you're going to send out your harness?

Sly is going to act, and he damned her saved her. It's so strange how mad they are at Sly for it. And it's really the crux of the whole movie. It's weird. It takes up a bunch of pieces of Sly movies from the past, right? Like, Gene Tarner is basically the Adrian Balboa. You can't win. When Mickey died, a party, you died, too.

It's kind of the same. She's trying to inspire him, but she's also putting him down. He's got guilt over something that wasn't really his fault, right? And Rocky 3, he's got the guilt over Mickey. And Rocky 4, he's got the guilt. Because Apollo just wanted to get the shit kicked out of him by a Russian guy. He feels bad about that. So it's kind of like a little bit of Stallone karaoke, but I'm here for it.

I love it. And you made the key point. It's early 90s. It's when movie making was getting super cool, but we didn't realize that it wasn't that cool. It's like how the TVs from the early nine, it's like, wow, look at that awesome 40-inch Sony. Great picture. And now you look at it.

It seems like it came out a kajillion years ago. There's obvious green screen in this. Oh, yeah. One of the issues with this movie, I think, is that with like the Cruise Mission Impossible stunt, basically took cliffhanger and took a shit on it. Yeah. And all the stuff he's doing here is either doubles. And then there's this, you know, I'm sure you get into the research. There's stunts that were in the trailer that we were promised as when we were kids.

or watching the trailer, and then you go in the movie, and they're not in there. And so the stunts, like, were a little bit numb to it now, 30 years later. But at the time, it was still badass, man. It really was. And I think you made the point, like, you know, Stallone was having a rough go, like a really rough go. And he had bomb after bomb.

And what I love about this bill is, in the meantime, Schwarzenegger's killing it. Schwarzenegger's doing it all because it's not just T2. He's doing the comedy with kindergarten cop. he was going hit, hit, hit. And so that rival was like Arnold was the runaway winner. And then this was almost like Slice, like Slyb reintroducing himself in like in a hit. Yeah, it's almost like if we're taping this the week before week 17, but if he was in like Brady on the Bucks mode, like it kind of seemed like it was over.

And Schwarzenegger was Mahomes. And it would like cliffhanger all of a sudden if the Bucks were like 13 and 4 next year, like wow, the bucks were they can. By the way, that's not going to happen. I feel like we were too negative about this movie. I want to flip it around. Okay. This was one of the first great, how did they do that action movies that I can remember.

Terminator 2 is another one where it's like you're just a whole, as one of the reasons it still holds up. It's like, how they do that? How that guy walked through the bars? This one, I didn't really know what a green screen was when I'm seeing this in a theater in Winter Park with Gus. It really did seem like he was on the mound.

Now when you're watching like very carefully with the HD TVs, You're like, oh, that feels a little green screeny. But back then it was really cool. And then the other thing on the rewatch, this movie just flies, man. It is, what, an hour 50? It doesn't stop. It's going. It's going from here to there.

Even like the dialogue scenes are like cheesy great. I love all of them. I just think it's one of the most compact one hour, 50 minute action movies that we've had. It's satisfying as hell. And I'm thinking about your take. that it's like the best Stallone movie outside of the Rambo and the Rocky. And it's, I think it's interesting in 30 years, Bill. Like, 30 years later, I'm thinking about like the TikTokers and the Gen Zers and like the

Stranger things crowd. I don't know if they're going to know Cliff Hanger. Like, I don't know if that's going to be part of what they grow up watching, even ironically. Like, Rambo's 80s iconic. Rocky speaks for itself. But I don't see anything that brings a 13-year-old to this movie. Like, did you watch it with your son? Is he interested?

He loved the opening scene, and then he's like, I got to go. But he was so fired up that the lady died. That usually doesn't happen anywhere. It's like, wow, they killed her. That was incredible stuff. But, like, producer Craig, come in for a second. You hadn't seen this movie, right? No.

And what were your thoughts? Kyle's right. To be honest, I had like barely heard of this movie. I loved it. But there's too much going on. Now, the amount of content that's coming out for people, my age and much younger like Ben's age, there's no reason for them to look back.

There's too much coming out right now for them to go back and dig through the 90s to try and find a good action film. So that's why, you know, we need more bills making their kids watch these movies. Where do you have this in the Stallone

filmography for you, for the ones I've made you watch since you've been producing this pod? The Rockies I had seen, I actually hadn't seen Rambo, but I put this ahead of Rambo and I weirdly have a weird spot my heart for Copland Stallone.

I think he's great in that, but it's Copeland and this. All right, great. So here's the thing with Cliffhanger for me. Yeah. To me, it's like the perfect 90s action movie. I don't know if it's the best one. Okay.

But I think it brings the most of the table. It doesn't, it's, we're kind of, like we did Seagall recently, where Seagall is kind of the end of a different air. It's that blood sport. Kind of goofy, campy, super cheesy, terrible lines.

And this is like, we're trying now. We're in the undersea. true lies, kind of the people that were inspired by Terminator 2. Terminator 2 opened this door for, oh wait, let's try harder, let's go bigger. And I do feel like the movie succeeded. I think this is like the definition of a rewatchable to me.

There's like 10 different scenes where if you're flipping, like, oh, this scene's coming up, I'm in. I think it's a special kind of rewatchable where that first scene sometimes, you just want to sit down and watch that. And like, that's one of the great opening. I really mean this. Think about movies where the first scene is what you remember.

And even things like Jaws or Scream with Drew Barrymore, that is the scene that you remember that opener. So as a rewatchable, I'll take you in the opening six minutes. And then when she falls, I'm like, I'm good. And then eventually you have the full course meal. It's also like, this is also worth six years in at this point. But when this comes out to die hard on a plane, die hard on a mountain, die hard on a bus.

And people like talk shit about the die hard on a form. I love it. Like I love the diehard, put a diehard anyway. The only thing I don't like is like the last diehard when it was diehard with Justin Long hacking computers. But every other diehard formula I like. That's a great point. I'm jealous of it.

I think sudden impact was when that started to become like a punchline. When Van Dam, which we haven't done that one yet. Were you talking about double impact? What was the one where he ends up playing goalie for the penguins? Was that double impact or sudden impact? Sudden death. Sudden Death. Okay.

Sorry, I got my Van Dam title fixed up. Sudden death where it's like terrorists. It's basically diehard at a hockey game. Yes. And somehow it leads to Van Dam playing goalie in a hockey game for like, not like one play. And making safe. It's like five, six minutes. It's like an entire period.

They go into extra time. The funniest thing about that movie, and I know this is a sidebar, is all right. There's a movie where an NHL arena is. strapped with bombs and they're going to blow up everybody in the arena and the NHL's like you want to use the penguins and the Blackhawk? Sure. Use their logos. Use everything. We'd love to have a movie about the NHL.

Yeah, that sounds great. Not everyone dies at the end though, right? Everyone's going to live. Yeah, so I think when that happened, that became the die hard on a became like a little bit of a backlash. I couldn't agree more. I love die hard on a blank. There was more, and we'll talk about

there was a sequel that they almost did that I felt like I would have been all in on. So we have Stallone, important Stallone movie. It put him back on the map, and he had a couple more good ones here all the way through. We also had Janine Turner, who I don't think is wearing makeup in this movie, and is still throwing 104 miles an hour. And she's throwing it with a massive handicap. I mean, I have what's aged the worst is Janine Turner's haircut.

I hate it. It's regrettable. And it's oddly, if you see them in scenes together, it's... She and Sly have like the exact same haircuts, which is strange because they look like brother and sister. But I love Janine Turner. And Bill, I come from at a point where like I saw this when I think I was in eighth grade. So it was almost like a little bit of like an edible thing. Like she was older.

Like she was not like the Tiffany Ambertheson that I was crushing on. She was a more mature woman. And I thought she was, I was here for it. You know, that haircut had a moment. It did. Because Demi Moore had it for at least one movie too. I think she added a few good men. But yeah, there was a moment with that haircut that now nobody would have that haircut.

I have a really hot Janine Turner take for later. Oh, let's go. Come on. Oh, for later? For later. Okay. I got a good one, too. We also have in this movie, the Rooker Sants is in full swing. Let's go. Come on now.

We have eight men out, Henry Portrait of a serial killer, which is still, to me, one of the most disturbing horror movies ever made. See of Love, Days of Thunder. JFK, Cliffhanger, and Tombstone. That's Michael Rooker, just six years of his IMDB, just churning out hits

and movies that I want to watch over and over again. Also, in this movie, I don't know if he's the best ever for the slow motion. No! But he's in like the top... He might be on Mount Rushmore.

He unleashes two of them in this movie. Rooker's great. It's going to be an interesting who won the movie at the end. I can't believe how good Rooker is in this movie. Yes, and listen, you started this to show by saying the greats like Seagall and Schwarzenegger and Slie, and I think we got to just throw Rooker in right now. Because if you're listening to this, you don't know what Michael Rooker is. He's kind of a, I would describe him as like a Kirkland brand Mel Gibson, like just the cheapest possible knockoff.

But like still quality and just showing up and like, Bill, we're going to get into this. It's kind of Rooker's movie. I really feel that Sly is kind of understated and dopey and Rooker is going for it in every single. scene and he's got some huge ones. I don't really, I didn't even want to do this as my hottest take because I don't think it's a hot take. I don't know what happened with Rooker. I don't know how they didn't cast him in an action movie as a star. Like when I see some of the people that made it, like, you know, like Swayze had a little

run and Vandam and Snipes, I feel like Rooker could have at least been an action cop and something. Like just test drive it. If it doesn't work, then he got a shot and it didn't happen. But no, he was always the buddy. He was always the villain. he was always the sidekick. He never got his chance.

That was it. Not quite dreamy enough. Like, Swayze's dreamy as all get out. Or maybe not like Muscoo enough. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, and listen, he went in to blow up with The Walking Dead and then obviously now in Marvel, like he's a massive thing at the Comic Con Cirque. And he's a beloved character.

But it took really like 20 years for him to get there. And he never had, like he was never the lead in Roadhouse or maybe he could have been. But see, even in Roadhouse, like, he's going to be Billy who gets his throat ripped out and had sex with guys in prison. Like, that's Rooker. I don't think he's Dalton. See, he's almost like Travis Kelsey. He's a hall of famer in whatever his role was, but doesn't get mentioned like with the great quarterbacks. He's like, he has to be the sidekick attached to somebody.

But, I mean, even Days of Thunder, which we somehow haven't done it on the rewatchables, he's unbelievable in that movie. Routy Burns. He's toe to toe with crews for two hours. Yeah. He's Toto To With Cruz there. Stallone here. Like, he is equal to the task. His just name is never above the title and the marquee.

And I think he's fine with that. He was also really good in 8 Men Out, which is a move that Chris Ryan and I love. And maybe that's true. But he plays the first baseman who fixes the 1919 World Series. And he's just like, he's different in each one. And see he loves, he becomes the bad guy, right? But he's usually the bad guy or the sidekick. And that's just what he became.

And I consume so much rewatchables, Bill. Like, I'm watching this movie. I'm like, oh, my God, the Rooker overacting award is going to be so fun. And because there's some guys throwing heat in this movie. His competition, but like this is what he was put on the planet to do. Well, and then we have Lithgow. Let's go. We talked about diehard on a dot, dot, dot.

Yeah. That also led to ripoffs of Alan Rickman's diehard character. Okay. The worst that went was in Toy Soldiers, that guy, the guy from Toy Soldiers. I love Toy Soldiers. I loved it too. That's awesome. The bad guy is just completely out of it in that movie.

He's just going for it. I love Toy Soldiers. But I think Lithgow is probably the best Rickman ripoff we've had out of all these. Now, some would say Tommy Lee and Under Siege. Yeah. It's probably those two in the finals, depending on what you like. Look, here's the thing about Lithgow. Classic theater actor, like way back in the day, used to be on Broadway, off Broadway,

did this play with Sigourney Weaver called Beyond Therapy, 40 years, like, actors, actor. Also a big dude, like 6, 5, 6, 6. And, like, I think we think of Lithgow Bill, as you think of him as, like, the dork in Third Rock from the Sun or Harry in the Henderson's. But when he goes dark, he goes really dark. Like, are you a ricochet guy? Like, do you know, you're into ricochet? Oh, yes.

Oh, my God. His first line in that movie is coming out of jail. He's a maniac in that movie. And he's just like, I just flossed with it. with your wife's pubic hair. I'm like, Jesus, Lithgow, that's a hell of a line. I love dark Lithgow. I almost want to do ricochet for the rewatchables just for Craig's reaction,

because that is one of the most fucked up action movies ever made. He also, we did blowout a couple weeks ago, and he's like the absolute all-time psychotic, just random. Why is this guy such a psycho? He was the crazy dad and footloose. He was the bad guy in the best season of Dexter ever, which I will still... Season four. I will still fight for as well.

one of the great seasons of television I've ever seen. And then he was great in World According to Garp, where he played a transgender back when nobody even knew what that was and was awesome and got nominated for an Oscar. But over and over again, he's been really good. This was like the time he got to play like the campiest villain. Yes. Right? He played villains and bad guys, but he gets to be campy in this. Super campy. And he's doing this like weird. And I know there's people online that I've seen that were really critical of his voice and of his accent that it's kind of contrived, does the same one in Rickache, and then he kind of spoofs himself in the Shrek movies where he's Lord Farquod and doing like John Lithgow doing a villain.

But like, I find myself buying it and I, like, he's, he's, some of the deaths that he causes in this movie, and when he like shoots the woman at the end, I was like, oh, Jesus. That's one of the worst things I was his fiance. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's like, you should see me bake a cake. He's like, you should see me kill a woman. It's so rough.

It really is. He's great. I have my top five for him is garp, blowout, Dexter, this movie, and Footloose. I think if you just want to Lithgow experience, those five are probably the best one. But he's really good in this. He was kind of overqualified. There's a good casting what-if with this, too, that I can't wait to throw you. History of Cliffhanger.

So there's this company called Caracow that I think must have been funded by Middle Eastern mobsters or arms dealers or whatever. It's very shady. It's one of the live golf of studios for sure. 100%. We joked about how there's names in these 80s action movies that seem made up like Mustafa Akkad. Not positive. He was a real person. But anyway, they signed Stallone to appear with John Candy in a comedy about feuding neighbors titled Bartholomew versus Neff, which was written and directed by John Hughes. Oh, no way. Project falls apart, goes away. All right. Hey, can we still do something? The Estolone's, sure. first one a futuristic science fiction

horror film called ISO bar about a genetically created monster who breaks free on a high speed runway train how does that sound

sounds great I'm in positive I want to watch that had a $90 million dollar budget had Stallone and Kim Basinger Ridley Scott was going

to direct he dropped out no Ameriick's going to direct he drops out that one so now we have another one another caracal

Pracharro. They only have that arms dealer money for so long. That's okay. They have a movie called Gale Force, which is described as die hard in a hurricane. Here we go. Okay. Rennie Harlan directing.

Stallone plays an ex-Navy seal who has to fight against a group of modern pirates who attack a coastal town during a catastrophic hurricane. This also sounds amazing. That's like Captain Phillips meets perfect storm. Right. That meets Twister. Right. Great.

Signed me up. So Rennie Harlan's paid three million bucks to direct it. Doesn't like the script. Carol Co. spends four million on different screenwriters, including they paid Joe Esther House $500,000 who rewrote it as an erotic thriller. And it was rejected. Joe Estherhouse wrote Basic Instinct. I looked this up in multiple places because I was like, somebody made this up.

This is too crazy. Joe Esther House writing Die Hard on a Hurricane as an erotic thriller. That feels like Madlips from 90s. Nope, it's true. Carol Coe cancels that project. Harlan says, I'm keeping my 3 million, and they say, well, that's fine. But what about Clifhanger? And that's what leads to Clifhanger.

We go from Bartholomew and Neff to Isobar to Gail Force. These are all movies we would have sat around and made up, I feel like. But you and I could have made up Gale Force if we had an hour, I feel like. Gail Force sounds great. It sounds like the fake movie in a real movie that they're all laughing at. You know what's thinking my battleship is the idea of Candy and Stallone doing scenes together? Like Uncle Buck and Rambo is really odd to me. Stallone doing comedy, there's just not a good track record.

Yeah, even in this movie, he has a couple of bad moments. So anyway, they make this movie, $70 million budget, $255 million it makes. Big. Unfortunately, Carol Code didn't get a lot of that, which we'll get into later. But gets nominated for three Oscars, best sound, best sound effects editing, and best visual effects loses all three to Jurassic Park. Our guy, Raj, three stars. He liked it.

He said movies like this are machines for involving us and thrilling us and cliffhanger is a fairly good machine. Good take. Yeah, decent take. All right, we'll take a break. We'll do the categories. Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? Zepbound terseptide may be able to help.

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it's in the running for greatest opening scene ever because it really is an opening scene. Don't you lose it, Gabe? It's up. You can do it, sir. Hold her, Gabe, hold her, Gabe. Please don't let me fall. Please, please, I don't want to die. You're not going to die.

Sarah, I got you. Just reach up. It can't, Greg! What are they doing up there, Bill? What are they doing up there? And how did she even get up there? It looks like the most difficult climb I've ever seen if she's that much of a novice. So he hurt his knee and they still was like, let's keep going.

We got to get to the top, even though I have a torn ACL. And what happened to his bad knee eight months later? I don't know. Did he go to Italy and get the Kobe treatment? Like what happened? He got his blood spun so he could go back to Mountain Rescue or whatever the hell it's called. I have a theory about that. What's going on up there?

Because I think that when Gabe gets there, I think, they're post-coital. Oh, interesting. And maybe actually, maybe just he is post-coital because he's like laid back. Hey, how are you doing? And then she's tense as hell. And there's that weird dynamic where he got her to go up there by saying it's like it's better than sex.

And I think he's a weird exhibitionist who spent a lot of time on the mountain. And I think they got funky up there. I really do right before Gabe got there. And maybe that's how he hurt his knee. Yeah, maybe. He's pushing into the tower. I thought one of the most irresponsible boyfriend moments I think we've ever seen in a movie

because it's clear that she has no idea what she's doing up there she says what you said about she goes he told me it was better than sex because they're like what the hell are you doing up there so then they come up with this cockamamie rescue plane where it's like we're going to set this helicopter on this other mountain

all you guys have to do is shimmy on this terrifying line across like what no no you got this baby, just put on your harness. Like, this is the single most terrifying thing I've ever seen. There's no better plan? And their only advice is, don't look down, which is the same advice every dad gives to a six-year-old daughter about anything. It's terrible. What about, don't they, can't the helicopter just levitate above and drop something down and pull them up? Yeah, I think they do it later in the film even. Like, why not just hook you up and pull you up?

There was this, this cockamamie tightrope act that they had to construct, but Jesus, it's cinematic as hell. so cool still. And then she falls. I don't know what happened with that buckle or why there wasn't like a safety second latch. Just like, yeah, here's your one,

but if this buckle falls apart, you're fucked. Rooker's just watching, Sarah, reach up and grab them. It's like, what are you doing, buddy?

He doesn't care. He just probably got a blowjob. And then, then he yells, don't you lose her, Gabe. Gabe does the one-hand reach? I don't know why he didn't do the, the,

upside down and Rocky Four. We know he can get down. No pain. No pain. He needed our guy Duke there on the cliff to coach him up about no pain. You're right. This weird one arm reach thing. I would have gone two arms and blows it.

Leading to one of the strangest moments in the history of action movies, I texted it to you and Craig today. I know it. Rooker watching her die and then stunned and then just like stink, and then just like stink eye and Gabe. Yeah. So it sets it up. like, oh, he's going to get his revenge later is how you interpret the thing, but then

they never act on it. But I don't know, why is it? Why are you so upset at Gabe? I don't see you on the fucking wire saving your girlfriend who you brought up on the tower, dickhead. I know. And he doesn't even take a beat. She hasn't even hit the ground yet.

And he's already looking at Gabe and being like, you motherfucker. And it's like, I held her. She's 150 pounds. I tried. I couldn't hold on to worry. You saw, I have the glove. Oh, my God. It's so strange.

And then, like, there is this thing that I'm sure you know that that's become very popular in line that during all the Rooker shots, if you look at Frank in the background, Frank is like openly smiling. He looks like the joker. And it's like, Frank, what the fuck are you doing? She's going to fall. Why are you smiling? And I picture some guy in an edit bay. He's like, this old Frank is killing me. I can't crop him out.

He looks ridiculous. And they just went with it. I think the wind was blowing in his face. So he was like squinting. But it looks like he's laughing hysterically. Yeah, he's winning scenes. But he's like, yeah, she's going to fall. He's totally going to drop her.

He dropped her. It's weird. My next rewatchable scene, as you know, I love nothing more than Stallone and bad acting scenes. Go on. It's my favorite. So he goes to see Jesse, Janine Turner's character, about eight months later. He's got a new horse.

He's hanging out outside. Gabe shows up. Brushing it. The classic action movie trope where nobody's heard from Gabe for eight months since the funeral. He's just gone. Where'd Gabe go? He's just gone. It's bad enough.

This guy lost his girlfriend and he quit the thing. But he's not going to call, check in anything. And they do the thing, Bill, where she hears his voice behind her and then like stops brushing and she knows it's Gabe. It's classic trope. We have lines like, a lot of things fall apart on that ledge. Just a lot of things fall apart on that ledge. I know. But I don't think you know how much.

Why can't you? just believe you did everything you could. Did I? I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't have gone out on that line. It's, I don't want to say this is his mumbling apex because it's got to be one of the Rocky movies,

but it's up there. He brings it back. We have Janine Turner with lines like, there were times when I didn't know what to do, hate you or love you. Actual lines. And they're just going for like an Oscar and somehow Gabe is more upset than Hal is

because we see Hal. with smiling Frank, and they're playing some painting game eight months later. Hal's recovered. It was his girlfriend. Gabe, like, can't work anymore as completely traumatized. And Hal's, like, just painting with his buddy. Let me draw on my own experience. For three and a half years of my life, I was a star on NBC's Days of Our Lives.

That is a soap opera scene between the two of them. That line, I've said those lines where he goes, I don't know, you just lose the feel. And she goes, or do you mean the nerve? Like, I have said that fucking line before. Word for word as my... It is a terrible, awful soap opera scene, and they're just playing the hell out of it, like it's Macbeth or something.

It's in... I love it. I wish there had been a dinner scene. I wish I could have done three more scenes with them, just having the bad acting. Next one for rewatch, but the plane transfer. Yeah. Crystal, we've got it.

Roger, why didn't you send them money first? Somehow I didn't think you'd wait for me if I sent it first. In the running for most ridiculous late 80s, early 90s action scene, Travers, the rogue FBI agent, after he kills everybody in the plane except for the pilot. And the pilot's like, I don't know, Travers were too close to the storm. And Travers is like, don't lose your nerve.

It's like, what? He's flying into a storm and you're about to go on a rip-cord, Mission Impossible style. It's still a great scene. And they paid a stuntman in real life a million. to actually execute the actual thing. So that was not green screen. It's an actual stunt man.

I guess the big mistake, Travers, who's playing this thing for what, eight, nine months, doesn't make sure everyone on the plane is dead. Maybe one more bullet apiece just to make sure. He shot like three that guys on the plane and then just decided to not finish the business.

It's really good. One of the things we always learn from action movies is just nudge the guy, maybe a kick, maybe a shove. Just make sure. Throw them out of the plane. You're already going to hell. You've already killed all these people.

So anyway, I love that scene. Next one. Gabe saves the first suitcase. Pretends he dies in the avalanche, which he survives by just holding a suitcase out, which I guess is how he survived an avalanche. But we have the bad guy who creates the avalanche by shooting at Gabe. And the avalanche is coming down on him.

And he fires off two more shots at the end. avalanche. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell happen with that, but that whole scene kills me. As if he was trying to repel the avalanche with his little grenade launcher or make a cove for him to be in and survive the

debris. It doesn't work. And Sly holds that shitty U.S. government suitcase that looks like an upgraded Sampsonite over his head and it protects him everything. Also, you mentioned this earlier. They have the classic Sly thing where they're like, we got to get less clothes on Sly.

What do we do? Oh, have the bad guys, you know, his protection. He has to take off his jacket. So now Slice, just, of course, he's wearing like a boys medium shirt. It's small. It's baby gap. And Rooker's like, but who frees to death? And it's like, no, it's like, get up there.

Rooker's, as always, a hundred miles an hour in that scene, too. Also, that's when Rooker flips where it's like, wait, I thought you hated Gabe and wanted, wanted to, like, push him off the cliff. You were ready to throw him off a cliff 15 minutes ago. Mm-hmm. Now you're like, wait, wait, freeze up there. Next one, I just wrote this down as

Stallone fights someone as they slide down a mountain. That happens, I feel like, several times. The one where they're just going at a 45-degree angle. In the dark? In the dark? And they're punching each other and flipping over and then Stallone at the last second

puts the stake in. Great stuff. He grinds the gentleman's face against the icy snow and makes like what looks like a tiger scrape the side of his face. It's shitty makeup, but it's a really fun scene. There's other ones over the course of this movie that we can hit quickly and what's aged the best.

The next one I have is Stallone versus Leon. No bullets, bitch. We're also in a Leon Sanss here. Leon with cool runnings. And then above the rim in this movie, this is like the golden age of Leon. Leon's thrown 700 miles an hour in this movie. He doesn't have a lot of material. I think he's an actor's actor.

again, Bill, I'm just showing up as a fan of rewatchables. I came to this episode so I could hear you say, whatever happened to Leon, I think he was market corrected by Wesley Snipes. I'm here for that. I have a better market correction for you later, but you're right.

Should he have been the lead in Passenger 57? Is it a better movie? I don't know. I don't know the answer. I think so. Or even better, the lead in Demolition Man. And then he's right back with Sly. Well, the thing with Leon,

he does peek and above the rim. He does make 17 straight 18 footers and ends up going down. Went to Rucker League this year. Showed up. The guy Leon, names now goes by Leon Robinson, dropped the one name Madonna thing, added the last name.

But showed up to Rucker. It became a viral moment for the day. Great fight scene, though. I got to say, normally Stallone doesn't let somebody kick his ass like that in a fight scene. He doesn't really get any punches in at all. No, he did the Jean-Claude recipe, you was we're have the guy kick the crap out of you and show how tough you are that you can

take it. And then when, um, that's usually Jean-Claude. Seagal never gets hit. Slide doesn't get that much, but like Bruce Willis and Van Dam get the hell beaten out of him. And it was fun to see Sligo that way. Also, the cave. Once we're in there and there's just a lot of sharp things pointing up or down, you're like, this will come into play. I've seen enough action movies. I had a apex mountain. A stalactite deaths, I think is an apex mountain for the next one I have is the callback of of Sly has to save Janine Turner's character with the glove pole. Yeah, it's nice, dramatic.

Honestly, he might have tried a little harder because he loved her. Maybe I left me with some questions with Sarah. And no one was screaming at him, you know, he could concentrate. Right, Rooker didn't mess his concentration. And that leads right into our guy Frank getting killed. Yeah. So we go from Turner save to first. Frank, Rooker gets another, no.

I know. And then a really great, This man never heard anybody. This man never heard anybody. Touching. Which is one of my favorite action lines. Do you think there was ever a take, Bill, when Harlan came in, is like, hey, Mike, it's great. We'll just take it down a couple notches.

I know you're going for, but it's a little much. No. It's so much. It's great. I love what Lithgow just cuts it down with the touching. Oh, yeah. Well, speaking of Rooker, I think this is going to win. This would have won for me if it wasn't for the opening scene.

Go on. I just wrote down Delmar versus Rooker. The brawl to settle the score. You're a loudmouth punk slag is about to die. Maybe, but in a minute I'll be dead and you'll always be an asshole. And we're off. And Del Mar is just doing this whole English Premier League thing. Stryker, blinds up at the penalty spot.

He focuses on the ball. The crowd is on his feet. Stryker moves to his left. He draws back his foot. He comes to him. It's unbelievable. Did Delmar predict the rise of the English Premier League? I don't know.

I was watching that scene. I had forgotten that that happened. And I'm looking at it at this, like, racist asshole henchman soccer fan. And I was like, is this the low point for soccer in the United States? States of America. Like, is this, I know we missed the 2018 World Cup, but the guy going to play by play

as he kicks the shit out of a man on the ground. I was like, this is the strangest scene in a very, I found that scene baffling. All right, so let's talk this out. This movie comes out in 93. Go on. And they're like,

how do we make this guy more evil? He loves soccer, and he's going to imitate being a soccer player as he kicks the shit out of Michael Rooker. Next year, World Cup 94, we get a little momentum from that one. America starts to care a little more. So you're right.

It makes more sense in 93 that just the fact that this guy likes soccer makes it more unlikable. Like if he was an American guy with a crew cut who instead of going through a soccer game, let's say he was like a famous NFL kicker. Like he was like Ryan Longwell for the Packers and 90s. They're like, the American audience would be like, oh, this guy's kind of cool. He's into football. Like I kind of rooting for him.

No, no, no. Fuck soccer. We don't like it yet. And so I hate how this guy likes. That's an interesting theory. It actually weaponized soccer to make him bigger villain. Yeah, they threw a little racism with them. There's just a lot of stuff not to like about Delmar, leading to Rooker flips it on him and does the seasons over asshole.

Which is the best line of the whole movie. It's great line. Just an awesome line. I remember in the theater, people like laughing and applauding when seasons over asshole. It was like, though, it won the movie, literally. Yeah, geez. I wonder if they played around with any other soccer puns. Like, if he was like, here's a red card deal.

kid you know like anything at all like that that would have worked too no time left for PKs they're like no no Ricker try can you try number three uh I have two more I have Stallone kills Travers yep and I have helicopter fight with an exclamation point mm-hmm because they were like this movie's not over the top enough what about a dangling helicopter Stallone will land on the helicopter but be able to grab it we're going to have them fight in the helicopter and then he's going to be able to hang on to the mountain as Lithgow falls to his death. I feel like this has been ripped off a few times since this movie.

The dangling thing where people fighting on the dangling thing and you know it's going to fall. I do think this movie invented it. How did you feel, Bill, about Sylvester Stallone in a brawl with John Lithgow? Was that working for you? I think we needed that dangling helicopter to even it out. I think it was distracting that he's beating the shit out of Harry the Hendersons versus Rambo. Like, it was a little bit of a mismatch. That's true.

They should have had him have, like, a broken arm or something. Yeah, something. What do you have for most rewatchable see in the opening? Well, I think the opening is by far. The only thing I'm missing is the cliffside Rooker versus Stallone when he almost drops him off at the end. And when he climbs up. And it's like, you know, that because that is like, that is their Pacino-Denero heat at the diner moment where it's just like, this is our best scene and Rooker's just doing the, you know, you did it your way and she died.

And if it was like, I know he'll feel about me, it's just, it's a great scene. I think that's my second favorite, but it has to be the open. I had that in the Tom Sysmore, the action is the juice award for Rooker just going toe to toe. Perfect. But yeah, no, listen, I think you're right. What's age the best? We've mentioned it five times now, but just how being that mad at Gabe just fucking kills me. It's my favorite part of the movie. You did it your way. She died. And then Gabe goes, it was a bad time for everybody. That's his comeback.

It was a bad time for everybody? You mean when Sarah fell 40,000 feet to her death and How's now single? Is there ever been a stupider thing said in the English language that in the context of that argument about what they're arguing about that Gabe hits him with, all right, so drop it? And then he goes, no, you're the one who dropped it. It's like, you know what, Gabe? Like, you kind of should have seen that one come and drop it. And then Rooker gives him the, nah, you'd live with it. Yeah, do it.

More than stage the best. Listen, we've had a lot of Stallone struggling to talk and Stallone mumbling, but frozen Stallone trying to talk. I don't feel like we'd really had. Before they crashed, they don't. Kiss of money. They? Who's they? I don't know.

But they're used the hell to find it. When they do, he's dead. But we have it in this room. It's just, didn't really have to act that much, but it was good. When he's huffing and puffing in the warming hut. Yeah, in the cabin. We have some bad Stallone jokes in this movie that have aged fantastically. When they're burning all the money and he goes, it takes a fortune to heat this place.

And then they asked them what happened to the money I burned it, never could save anything. So a lot of like Stallone, like Schwarzenegger's in his head. He's living and rent free in his head at this point, I feel like. Yeah, this is going to be the same. era where Arnold in the movie Eraser kills an alligator and then says, your luggage. And people fucking loved it. It's just what you did.

It's a 10-year run. The score of this movie is really good. It was conducted by Trevor Jones with the National Philharmonic Orchestra. Oh, beautiful. I'm just hanging around. It's great. Great open.

I love the Gabe's Land Rover, age the best. Really nice. You see a nice shot of it in the beginning. It's a good one. Gorgeous car. You mentioned this earlier when Lithgow kills his girlfriend. Do you know what real love is, Crystal?

Sacrifice. Oh, here's a Woodsage is the best. What do you got? So Stallone said there were two huge cuts in this movie after test audiences. One was they kill the rabbit. With the detracker device? Yeah. That rabbit got shot.

got to death and the test audiences were so upset. Stallone spent $100,000 of his own money to refilm, make it so that the rabbit lived. Because if you watch it, it's kind of ridiculous that the rabbit lives. The guy empties like his whole arsenal of machine gun fire at this rabbit. And then the rabbit kind of waddles back for no reason. And the guy's like, damn it. So they actually killed a rabbit on camera. You could do that?

Yeah, they did. That was 93. Different times. Yeah. Damn. And then there was. was another scene where Gabe jumps from one cliff to another, and it was like a 40-foot jump. And this is one of the scenes you mentioned that appears in the trailer. It was so ridiculous that

when they were showing the trailer, people were laughing in the theaters at the jump. Not in a good way. They were laughing like, this movie seems ridiculous. And they were like, oh, shit. And they ended up taking it out. So, Stallone. Because I'm laughing at the whole movie. I don't know what they're probably is. It sounds like it would have fit in with the rest of the movie, but you know that he said the stunt was absurdly overblown. It was slums thing. Seemed a little pissy. But isn't that cool that he had the self-awareness?

Like now that's in some dumb Dwayne Johnson movie, and it's like the biggest moment where he jumps 50 feet from one skyscraper to another, and they just put it out, and it sucks. I like that they took it out, I guess. Well, you watch movies like this, which I think was, I still think 30 years later, really holds up. And you realize, like, what a missed opportunity skyscraper was in so many ways. Yeah, I know.

Such a good idea for a movie. To have him be basically one-legged, I will never understand that. Like, I want my superhero to be able to be a superhero. Abel-bodied. Yeah, and just generally, the movie was just, it just didn't work. And it's like, this is crazy that this didn't work. It's a scarring skyscraper, people jumping from one thing to the next. What else do you have for what's age is the best?

Other than Stallone in the early 90s? Stallone's age, great. I think this is actually maybe Stallone's, handsome movie. He's got that whole mountain man thing going. He's just like it's a housewife thing. I was way into it. I like any movie or scene with tracking devices. I just think it works really well. Like they saw it in in total recall. There's a great one where they're trying to find Quaid. He's got the wet towel on his head. And speaking of headwear built, as a massive fan of this film I'm going to bring up, there is a moment when Sly starts to climb and he straight up does the hat

forward to backwards? Callback. Is that intentional? I feel like a heavy-handed. That was a total over the top. Yeah.

I think you're right. I loved it. I loved it too. It's like a switch. A couple quickie awards. Yeah. We didn't have a Kid Cutty Pursuit a Happiness needle drop.

We didn't really have a Big Kuhna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. This is another, I need to come up with a name for this. A no food, no drink, nobody goes to the bathroom movie? There is one point where there's actual terrorists eating power bars in a warming hut.

They're pat and he tosses one to Leon and he catches it and eats it. Power bars are garbage, but they are eating them. That was the only eating your drinking I saw. All right. The Denna Thieves Benihanna Award for Scene Staling Location and the Great Shot Gorder Award

for most cinematic shot, I think is the beginning with Sliding that mountain, right? It's fucking cool. Well, it's the first time you see Slide, he is over the word's cliffhanger as he's hanging on a cliff. It is so perfect, and it's like, that's the coolest shot, and then they end up with a couple at the top. Again, the first six minutes of this movie, like, I would put it up against anything.

I'm not saying it's the filmmaking of Private Ryan, but it is just as watchable. I'm not turning it off. Well, Rennie Harlan, who I did a lot of good stuff, and this was one of his most successful movies. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. So this is an action device, I get it, but the comedy. compromised FBI agents when we have these. Just like if you're really fundamentally think about it, these guys have devoted their lives.

The hardest thing to do, I think, is to get in the FBI, right, if you're a cop. It's like getting into the NFL and being a starting quarterback, basically.

You're devoted, you have to, all of these background tests, all of these checkpoints you have to hit, then you get in there. And you're just going to throw it away after 20 years. I know. With Kwayland,

because Kuelan, you had a drink with Quaylan at a hotel bar in Monaco. You're like, yeah, all right, I'll just become a bad guy. I just, it's a staple of action movies. I get it. But does it happen in real life? Do we have compromised FBI agents like this? I guess maybe we do.

I don't know. Whenever you hear the phrase, can he hitch a ride with you? Like, that's never going to end well. Like when you're going to have a guy, an extra, it's always going to go rogue and it went badly. Yeah, that's a great point. What's age the worst? We mentioned some of the rough green screen stuff,

and we mentioned how Cruz just looked at this movie. He was like, watch this, and whatever Mission Impossible that was in the cliff, just like absolutely crushed like. I wonder, like, there's some stuff with Sly, like in the research. I didn't know what to believe. Some of it said he embraced the cliff hanging,

the cliff climbing, all that stuff. Others said he was a little afraid of heights, and that was why they had to rely on the screen doubles. I don't know what to believe. Cruz's not afraid. No. We did Mission Impossible fallout of the movie before this. Oh, no way.

Cruz has a death wish. Like, he, you know, he's doing the stunts. And if he dies, he dies. It's one of those. Someday we're going to see a tweet and it's going to be an actor Tom Cruise has been killed and a TMZ is going to have it. And it's like, he died doing a stunt. And you know what, Bill?

Like, at this point, I think I'm going to be right with it. Yeah, I think that's how he wants to go. I think it's going to be kind of cool. Go for it. He'll be 78. And it's like he was trying to jump from one plane to another or something. Yeah, and he died. What's a.

the worst, the ending's really abrupt. All of a sudden we got credits. It's like, wait, we can't have a scene where they're having hot chocolate in the cabin after. I don't know. I have an idea for that coming later. Let's talk about the Bill and Ted ripoff guys. Oh, Christ. Yeah.

Those guys are bad. I guess they easily could have won the Butch's girlfriend Award, but I actually think what's age the worst is even a better one for them. I don't know. Bill and Ted had come out. I think there had even been a sequel at this point. I guess they felt like they needed comic relief. These guys were bad.

They're bad characters. I just didn't like them. Well, at this time, you got Bill and Ted, you have Wayne and Garth, and you have Beavis and Butthead. So, like, they're like, get two idiots to make dumb jokes and say, bra, and, like, it'll be awesome. And, like, even in the scene where they're driving next to Stallone, like, he doesn't even seem like he's interested. I will say, though, like, were you not shocked when they just gunned those guys down? Like, I couldn't fucking believe they just killed those people. What's the point of that?

It's a good point. I mean, they did. There were a couple of shocking deaths in this movie. Shocking. By the time they kill Frank, you're ready for it. It's like, oh, yeah, Frank's going to die. I know. And there's something about the violence then where, like, it's not this John Wick

stylized. I'm going to kill 30 henchmen in one room. It's bloody. It's loud. It's point blank. It's merciless. Like, it's every once in a while, go back and look at some early 90s violence. And it is so r-rated.

It makes your head spank. Yeah. We mentioned the bad guy shooting at the avalan. that was also one of the best parts of that scene, but it's also ages of worst. It's inexplicable. So this movie really rips off a movie called Shoot to Kill with Tom Berringer and Sidney Podier,

which came out five years earlier, but it's basically the same premise of their climbing a mountain. One of the people is a bad guy, you don't know who it is, and then the guides have to lead these bad guys, even though they know they're bad guys. And it's a cat-mouse game. I always felt like it was on that movie's corner in a way that age to work.

worse for me. So I wanted to mention it. How did you feel about Gabe destroying $100 million without pocketing even one roll? Just shoving one roll in his pants. I felt terrible. I hate it. Not one. You're not even to take it. And they were in bars of a hundred grand. They were like $5,000 bills or something. Cram one in your front of your pants. They'll think it's your dick. You know every inch of that mountain. They, they, by, so I was probably doing that anyway and on set. So why not doing the character, right? I just wish Gabe taking some of it.

Would anything else say age the worst for you? About the money, Bill. Yeah. By the end of the movie, two of the bags have been destroyed, and Lithgow is still going for it for what we think is about 30 million

because they start 100 million. It's a lot of money, but to commit a massive terrorist act, like 30 million is what like Daniel Jones is going to earn next year? Like, that's not, like, you need to aim a little higher for example, like Hans Gruber was going after 640 million in the mid-80s.

That's a heist. By the end of it, it's like, Lithgow, maybe you just know when to fold them and like try to get another high- get the helicopter. Get the fuck out of there. Yeah, get out of there, Quaylin. It bothers me. I'm glad you mentioned this.

Yeah. I didn't know if it was just me, but 100 million did seem a little late for to do a plane-to-plane transfer into bribe four FBI agents. It felt like it should have been like 400 million. Very light. And it brings into the conversation, all the Dr. Evil, like one million dollars. Like it's a stupid amount of money as we're sitting here. It's 100 mil divided. How many people they got in that group? Like seven or eight? Well, that's the thing. If you're not in the, you know, if you're not in the top group, if you're not Travers or Lithgow or Lithgow's girlfriend, I'm just assuming I'm going to probably get shot at some point during this, right?

These guys are crazy enough to kill everybody on a plane, commit a hijacking, run that plane in the ground. It might run into a population of people and kill more people. And yet everybody's like, all right, time to pony up this money seven ways. Like, I'm just assuming I'm going to get shot. And even if you're not going to get shot, this kind of goes unanswerable questions. Do you think in the terrorist hierarchy there is like a brokered deal where like you're a 5% guy, I'm 30%, you're a lot of muscle, so you're 20.

Like, the guy who shoots the avalanche, that's probably like an 8% guy. And like in Diehard, remember the guy who eats the candy bars, who's got like the cool full man shoe? Like, he's a 2% guy. I wonder if they break it down, like collectively bargain it that way. Yeah, I'm trying to think. So you think Lithgow's character and Travers. Yeah.

They probably- They probably split like the two-thirds of it, right? And then everybody else gets the other third. it's like you get a third, I get a third. Yeah. It's 50. And I think Travers, because he's the inside, he's got to be 25 easily.

And then the other guys, now we're down to like a couple million for soccer guy and Leon. And like, to your point, I think they kill each other at the end and take 100%. That's what you do. Maybe that's their game plan

all the way along. Yeah. Travers gets a third. Lithgow gets a third. And they're like, this other third, it's going to be me and these five guys. There's only going to be one left

by the end of this movie. It's happening. Ron Burgundy Flute Award Best Time for a P-break I think this movie sings, man I didn't really get bored I didn't really I guess there's maybe when they're burning the money

when he's hanging out with Janine Turner maybe you can sneak one off When he's just like, we should get some shit uh you know and like I think you could get one quick but you don't want to miss the snowman who's just fucking stupid but great I think there's very few

very few well that brings me to an award we don't get to do that off in the Malley Rubin Award for, did this movie need a better sex scene? Stallone and Janine Turner, I don't know. Like that was the most boring scene in the movie. Maybe they get a little romantic as they're burning $30 million. Why not?

That's never happened in the movie? Well, as I said, I think there is a wild sex scene right before the opening credits between Rooker and the Girl Who Falls. I think they're in on that and they photographed it. The Tower Felicia. Yes. Was there a better title for this? movie. God, no.

It's so literal. Cliffhanger. Cliffhanger. Kind of crazy. This wasn't a title already. Yeah, and it doesn't have a cliffhanger in it, like in the literary sense. It's such a good title bill. I actually did the work for rewatchables, and I looked up to see if there was a porn version of Cliffhanger.

And I was hoping it would be called Cliff Banger, but there's not one. Oh, missed opportunity. The guy's named Cliff, you know, and you can do the rest. Just go in the woods. You can bang out four scenes. in an hour. That's right. That's right. Best quote. You murdering, motherfucker. Kill a few people. They call you a murderer.

Kill a million and you're a conqueror. Go figure. Great stuff. Put that in your high school yearbook, kids out there. Still time. You've figured out your high school yearbook quote. All right. Well, let's take a break. I'm going to do my hottest take. I'm ready to. I'm so excited to springing on you. But let's take a quick break. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana.

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I think that Rooker's girlfriend, I think she wanted to die. And I think this was an inside job. And I think it was a suicide. And I'll tell you why. I think that she's in an abusive relationship. Certainly psychologically. Yes, absolutely. The way he uses the sex to get her up, the way he messes with her and like

pretends like he's falling. I think she rigged the equipment. I think that she wanted to die. And when she kisses Gabe, she's kind of saying goodbye in her own way, and she says that cryptic thing about, I'm going to see you at dinner, right? No, she knew exactly what was going on.

Wow. This was a woman who climbed all the way up, a crazy mountain who had the ability to do that, yet she has zero upper body strength or any ability to pull herself up to Gabe when her adrenaline is surging and people turn into superheroes to save their babies from under cars.

I think she wanted to go, and I think her hand came out of the glove, and she was looking for a way out, and I think she found it. I think it was an inside job, and she wanted to die. And she wanted how to live with the guilt forever. That's great.

That's a great hot take. Thank you. Man, now I feel worse about mine. Yeah. What do you got? Janine Turner, market corrected by Demi Moore. All right. Now, get into it.

Go on. Both models who moved to LA in the early 80s, both get their first gigs on General Hospital as sisters of one another, the Templeton sisters. Demi Moore parley's ad into, blame it on Rio and all of a sudden she's in San almost fire career is taken off yeah jeanine turner just kind of kind of lingering on general hospital

for a couple years leaves goes to new york does some play stuff finally lands northern exposure in the 1990s in 1990 comes a popular show has a moment gets on cliffhanger never really happens for her just as attractive as demi more even tries to get the Demi Moore haircut to try to grab her turf just never happens. And if Demi Moore never happens, is she in St. Elmo's Fire? Is she Joe Galloway and a few good men? Does she marry Bruce Willis? Does she marry Bruce Willis?

Does she just get all the brunette rolls? I don't know. It's a big what if. She was just the wrong Templeton from General Hospital. It's tough. Yeah, because, you know, DeMey had the haircut most famously in Ghost, which was three years prior. And she shows up in 93. It's kind of already been done that. Could I sell you at all? And she was marked. corrected by Sandra Bullock, or maybe a little younger. Well, then Sandra Bullock takes all the Demi Moore roles. So she market corrects Sandra Bullock. I mean, not Demi Moore.

Because by speed, she's younger Demi Moore, and now she's getting all the Burnett parts. Demi Moore is scrambling. She's, all right, I'll go raise some kids. Well, Exhibitney's next movie after this is Demolition Man, and he's having computer sex with Sandra Bullock. Like, he knew it was up. Yeah.

Wow. Gene Turner was sitting there first. her. Casting would have. Speaking of sitting there, Rennie Harlan's first choice to play Eric Quaylin. David Bowie. Oh, come on. Said no. No. I'm out.

Who does he cast? Christopher Walken. Is in the movie. Leaves production right before filming begins and Lithgow's cast at the last minute. Yeah, it's supposed to be Christopher Walking as Quaylin. Wow. One place he knew he could hide $100 million up his ass. and he held it there for two years up his ass. That's the scene. I would have been cool.

I think this movie's better with Waukin. Let's talk walking villains. I mean, I'm thinking of true romance, obviously, but when is he like just an evil-ass, cold-hearted killer? It could have been right here as Eric Cuellan. Damn, and this was two years after a true romance. No, this is the same year as true romance. Oh, you're right, 93.

Yeah, 93. Maybe that's why you want to do it. year. Yeah. So he would he was red hot he had sent her live back then?

Oh my gosh. I like walking. I give him a better chance on the helicopter as it's dangling versus Stallone than Luthgow. Lutkow's just throwing

Shakespeare at Stallone to try to fight him. The other the other casting what if was Dana Delaney of China Beach fame was offered the role of Jesse

and turn it down. They got it right. I like Janine. The Ruffalo Hanna Rubeneck Partridge overacting award. They knew. and they let it happen.

Don't you call me, lady! I come in here. I give these things to you. Give it all you got! Give it all you got! I treated you like a son. You fucking stab me in the heart. Fuck you.

I know we're giving this to Rooker, although I think he's amazing in this movie, but I just, I don't want to sleep on Travers who dows it up the whole movie. Tucker, we're missing three bags. What's in him? None of your fucking business. Tucker and Walker.

Well, Tucker and Walker, we're missing three bags. What's in him? None of your fucking business. He's got like five of those. He's so pissed off for the whole movie. Yeah. What's going on with Travers? I thought about him as the weak link.

When Lithgow goes, he goes, fetch. Fetch! Like, Jesus, Travers, take it easy. No, you're fucking busy. He's so mad. the whole movie. Yeah, I don't get Travers. He's just very tense.

Maybe because he's turned his back on the FBI in his country. So, yeah, I probably would lean to Travers because I love Hookers so much, even though Rooker is great. Yeah. And he does overact. There's no question. Travers needed, he needed this little moment where he has like a daughter at home or something.

Like he needed something humanizing, like other than just screaming and having the tracker for the whole fucking movie. But for, listen, for overacting, Travis is in. Leon is definitely in. He's part of it. But it's like any other movie, Bill, they win. But, you know. Yeah, you're right.

It's got to be Rooker. Malone and Barclan and Ewing should have won a ring, too. Wrong place, wrong time. That's not the way it goes. That goes to our guy Rooker. Great point. Well, Travers is eligible for the Best That Guy Award. The nominees are Rex Lynn as Travers.

Yep. Who apparently was also in CSI, Miami, and Better Call Saul. Mm-hmm. Two shows that I don't watch. We have Carolyn Goodell as Crystal, Lithgow's girlfriend, you might remember a couple years later, she had a big role in disclosure

with Demi Moore and Michael Beck. She was the receptionist, I think. Yeah. And she's also the mom and hook. So she worked with Spielberg. She's, her IMDB is pretty feverish there

for a few years. Bruce McGill, who graduated for being a best, that guy, is kind of wasted in this movie? Is he the guy with the mustache who gets killed on the plane?

Yeah. That guy's an all-time that guy. I don't know why he's only in this for one scene. Ralph Wait was the dad and the Waltons. He played Frank, but he was John Boy's dad on the Waltons, which was one of the biggest shows of the 70s.

I don't feel like he's that guy. I think he's Ralph Wait. And then the last one, who I think is the winner, one of the two stoner guys was one of those guys from beautiful girls. He was the guy who plowed snow with Matt Dillon, who had the mustache, Max Perlick. So Max Perlick was in that movie and this movie, and I don't know what else he's been in,

but I had to look his name up. God damn. There's a guy Bill who shows up with the FBI crew, and he's in the backseat of the helicopter, and he's in fucking everything. Oh, the guy with the kind of wormy face? Yeah, he's another one of those guys. That guy's a Hall of Fame, that guy.

You know what? That guy's the winner, because I didn't even look up his name, and I don't know what his name is. He wins. Oh, his name's like Zach Grenier or Grenier. Maybe he's related to Adrian. Zach Grenier. He plays Davis.

He's in everything. Yeah, he barely has lines. Good one. Dionne Waiter's Award. It can't be somebody who's in the movie too much. So it's basically down to Leon and Delmar. I don't know, man. The soccer scene's pretty great.

Leon's pretty great. I rarely do this, but I think these guys might be co-winters. They're both like completely heat checking the shit out of those parts. They weren't like nothing parts. Yeah, those are brother's sister scenes. It's basically they just meet up one of the guys and talk shit. Could I, do we still do the category of the Judd Nelson acting in a different? movie? Is that still a thing? No, we can break it out. What movie would he have? What the fuck is

Paul Winfield doing in this movie? Who is that? Why is he in here? He's flying a helicopter. He's a couple lines. He's a respected actor. I feel like that he is in a totally different movie, and I don't know why he was needed. Yeah, you're right. He doesn't have that one scene at the coffee shop or he's like, I was going to retire in eight weeks. He's got nothing to what I was done with this shit. Yeah. Now I'm out looking at a mountain for for travel. I trusted that guy. Yeah, you're right. He doesn't have to see it.

Overqualified. Yeah, they could have been anybody. It's a good point. I have for recasting couch. Okay. What do you have? Do you have anything for this? I have two.

Well, I look at it in the lens of, let's say we had unlimited budget, and we're going to make this the biggest movie of the year. I think you do the demolition man car wash. I would like to see Sandra Bullock in the romantic role. I'd like to see Wesley Snipes instead of Leon. And then if we're really going to make, make it two co-male leads. I want, I love Rooker, but I'm bringing in Mel Gibson and he and Slye are

running a rooker. What the fuck? I'm got to go a bigger star. I got, I'm going to go with Mel. Mel, Mel in 93 was massive. I love Rooker. Wow. Him, him and Sly screaming at each other. I know. I love Rooker. I feel a little guilty, but if I had unlimited budget, I'd put Mel Gibson in that role. Can I give you Paul Newman as Frank? Of course you can. That's, Paul Newman's going to show up for getting old, Paul Newman, just cutting him a $5 million paycheck. Caroleco, we're going out of business anyway. And then this is the big one. Tommy Lee Jones is Travers.

It's a big enough part that can we see like a real famous actor in that part and get a little background with him and I don't know. It feels very fugitive. I like the Travers part. Yeah. It feels fugitive. It feels like Deputy Girard and Fugitive. And you got to give him more to work with then.

His point is to hold the tracker and yell. when somebody yells at him. So we need a little to work that out a little bit. I love him. He could also have been the Lyft Gow part. Like he would have been great there too. Yeah. Half S inner research.

Yeah. So Carol Coe, they give away half of the funding to the movie to try star pictures for distribution rights in all these countries. Then they gave away more funding to all these other European things because they needed the money up front. And as a result, received very little of the box office. this movie made like $255 million and they barely had any of it.

They shut down production twice because Caroleco could not afford to pay the crew. The movie went $40 million over budget and Stallone had to sacrifice $2 million of his salary. And I don't think Caroleco is alive like three years after this. To your point on Stallone,

he said he was in the best shape of his life in three movies. Can you guess the three? I would think Rocky Four would, have to be one of them for sure. He looks amazing in Rocky Four. I would say, I'll just say this movie and then the third one. Is it Rambo First Blood Part 2? Great guess. It is Rambo 3, according to Stollone. Those were his top three. Oh, really? That's a strange movie. Okay. Yeah. There you go. Rock Cobra did not make the list.

I don't show up here. Yeah. A lot of the films, mountain scenes were shot. at the Dolomites in Italy. Okay. At the Cortina Dampezzo. I probably screwed that up. So the stunt man was Simon Crane, who was paid a million dollars to cross between the two planes.

It is in the Guinness Book of Road Records for costliest aerial stunt ever. And they could not get him into the second plane. So if you watched, they had to edit it with a close-up. So he got all the way to the door, but they couldn't get him in.

They were going too fast. You know, that scene, it's, I think that scene has a lot to do with, years later, Nolan did Dark Night Rises and Tom Hardy and them, they hijack a plane with like cables and stuff and they kind of take it and it's this higher theatrics. I feel like it kind of stands on the shoulders of that cliffhanger stunt. It really reminded me of it. It's an amazing stunt. Yeah, I'm with you. Well, the opening scene when Sarah's glove slips off, they couldn't get the glove. to slip off. They had her wear a glove that was a couple sizes too big.

Oh, really? They had her fill the glove with Vaseline. And they kept trying, and then finally the glove came off. But they were going, Stallone was apparently holding on too tight. Really? And just the glove just wouldn't come off. Wow, this was a hot time in American culture for gloves that fit and don't fit, weren't they? Seriously.

That was coming up big. Apex Mountain. Apex Mountain, ill-fitting gloves. There it is. And then Stallone heard his hand on one of the cliffs, but it wasn't really on a cliff. It was on the soundstage of the fake cliff that they had in the green screen. But then Stallone, in the press for the movie, said he heard his hand in one of the cliff climbing scenes, rock climbing scenes. Right.

Apex Mountain. Gloves. Gloves fitting. Big. Slice Stallone, no. I think Gene Turner, yes. She's still on Northern exposure. She's in the lead of a Slice Stallone movie that made.

It's $255 million. Yeah, I think it is for her. Rooker... What do you think? This is a tough one. I don't think it is because... It's not. I know Marvel's not your thing,

but he's fucking massive now. Like, he's beloved in that world. Yeah, I would say for this era, I would say Days of Thunder, because he's toe-to-to-to-to-with crews in a really big... They have a wheelchair race. Yeah, wheelchair race. It's a huge part.

He's rowdy. So I would say that. Climer movies? I'm going to say no, the Oscar goes to free solo, and the guy did it for real. That won an Academy Award, so I would go with that. Rennie Harlan, maybe. Well, we know what the bottom was, and that was cutthroat. Right.

This was a legitimate hit. Cutthroat Island, yeah. Yeah, that's tough. With his wife and Gina, and Matt Modine, just doing all he can, disaster. I don't know the answer to Rennie Harlan. He did marry Gina Davis, though. Maybe that was his apex amount. botch plane transfers.

I think this might have taken the cake. Yeah, it's heavily botched. It's a beautiful shot. They always have that harbinger of things to come where they're like, you know, guys, the wind is picking up here, and you're like, oh, this is not going to go well, you know, whenever the wind is picking up.

I don't know why they said a five-minute timer. Why are they married to that time? It seems like maybe you made an eight minutes. You have 20 minutes, an hour. Tough. Would you go Apex Mountain for, no! What was the greatest no ever? Sly and Rocky 4?

There's been some good ones, and I know this isn't your wheelhouse. When Gandalf falls in Lord of the Rings, Elijah Wood sells out for the no. Oh, I'll have to look at that one. That sounds great. Ian McKellen falls into the pit, and Elijah just, no, it's really good. But this one's excellent. Leon above the rim. Yeah. Whoever played Delmar, definitely.

Stalone jumping off a cliff. We either have anything that happens in this movie or First Blood when he jumps off the cliff into the trees, which I think is better. How about Stallone climbing a mountain? What he does with his bare hands in Rocky Four before Drago? Like, that's pretty good too. Stallone and mountains.

Him and Rocky Four, I think, is the peak when he's wearing a jacket and shoes. Druggio! It was good. Lithgow, I'm going to say no. Third Rock. Best racehorse name. What about a racehorse called Cliffhanger?

Cliffhanger works. Anything with hanger and horse, it sounds like a phallic joke, and I'm there for that. You know what the dumbest line is in the whole movie that always makes me laugh that I think is a horse name? When Leon goes,

no bullets, bitch! It's terrible, but it makes me laugh every time. It's awful. But I want that to be the horse. No bullets, bitch. Picket nits. Hal hates Gabe

but then immediately tries to save him for the rest of the movie after throwing him off a cliff. It's a slight nitpick. Gabe dies of frostbite, I think, in real life. Yeah. In a T-shirt, I mean, Hal says that he's going to freeze the death. I think he dies for sure, despite the muscle. I think he's dead.

I don't understand why they're all climbing these mountains. Nobody has, like, not only the ski hat, but even like the little earbuff things that look like headphones, nothing? Just like going raw on the mountains. Don't get that. Do we ever find out if the second stoner guy survived? He looked like he was really banged up.

Eat by coyotes, but it's like, why do I care? I don't know if he made it or not. It's just gone. We never see him again. Hero moment for Frank to show up and rescue him. So we'd like that Frank to have that. But I think he might not admit he was really banged up. I had that in unanswerable questions.

Is that how you get rid of a herd of coyotes that are chewing somebody's leg, you just shoot a gun in the air and go, get out of here! And they're all going to scatter? Wouldn't they be like, fuck you, old man? There's like 12 of us. Bring that old man, this is dinner today. You want to be second?

Michael Benj of Climbing Magazine was very critical of the film's... What's Benz got? That's what I want to hear from the real rotten climbers. Like, we give us shit about what their opinions are on a cliffhanger. Where do you got, Benz? Climbing Magazine, very critical of the film. Unrealistic portrayal of rock climbing, including the fictional gun which fires Pythons directly in Iraq, apparently didn't really go over with the climbing community.

That's great. There's also a fireman magazine that John McLean would never jump off with a fire hose around his waist. It just wouldn't work that way. So I'll have an excerpt from that. Good. Thanks guys. Sorry, climbing magazine. Here's a really good nitpick.

The Denver Mint doesn't make paper money. It only produces coins. Oh, really? Yeah. This is a slight nitpick. Any other nitpicks for you? Yeah, I got one. And we've mentioned it a couple times.

I got a problem with Gabe's physique. And far be it for me to question Slice's physique here, every mountain climber that I've ever seen, and California I have friends with them, long sinewy muscles, they got those toe feet shoes, they drive a Subaru, they eat cliff bars.

Like, that is the physique of a mountain climber. Gables is the physique of an egomaniac. I don't think there's any mountain climbers who look like they're bodybuilders, but he just, that's sly, giving you the sly, but it looks nothing like a mountain climber. That's always bothered me. Great point. This is why you bring the heat on the rewatchable.

Thanks, bud. All rock climbers, you could probably see their ribs if they lift up their shirt. Yeah, the guy from free solo. And they look like they have great weed and they have lots of those little bars that Leon eats in the movie. and they know how to roll a joint. They're not doing curls at two in the afternoon.

No, you can't weigh that much. You have to pull up your deltoid muscles after the 500-foot face. It doesn't work. That dude from Free Solo, he looks like my son's kindergarten teacher. Like, he's just a guy, you know, but he's got strong hands and shit.

Great point. Sequel, Prequel Prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. All black cast would be great for this, but there's a sequel that they planned. called the dam. It was called the dam. Come on.

Which was described as die hard and a dam. All right, I'm in. Slice Stallone's character now working at the Hoover Dam or visiting and terrorists take over the Hoover Dam and Sly now has to save the Hoover Dam. Good. I'm into the die hard in a nail salon. I don't care where it is. I'm in. And Bill, the reason the sequel is the right answer here.

You brought this up earlier. I think it is the fastest in film history from bad guy dies to rolling credit. It is prolifically fast. And I'll have you know last night when I watched it, I got out my stopwatch. And it is a minute, 24 seconds from when it explodes and Lithgow dies to their rolling credits. There's no wrap up of Hal and Gabe's relationship. There's no nothing. It's just get the hell out of here now and roll the credits.

It's weird. I think Carol Co ran out of money for the film. Yeah. Maybe. They were just like, wrap it up. Done. Time for one more sleep? Nope, we're done.

Oh my gosh. You get saved. Good. So they were thinking about doing that in 94 and 95 didn't happen. And then Stallone tried to resurrect it in 2008. Didn't happen. He did? In 2008?

Yeah. He plays Gabe. Okay. I can't believe the Rock hasn't tried to resurrect this. Isn't that the Rock's move just to do old slide movies? If the Rock did it, this. This movie in that first scene built would be such like a meme factory. It would be like, you know, when he's reaching forward,

be like holding on to my last dignity at work on a Monday. Like, it would be a thousand memes about that first opening scene, and the Rock version would give us those. Is the Rock the Kirk Cousins of Action Heroes? That's interesting. Where he was, it would be like if Kirk Cousins, if there were no other good quarterbacks. And it was like, you can have this action movie belt,

Liam Neeson just got old. It's just sitting there for you for eight years. You can just have this. And the Rock, all he did was just squandering all these different ways. He should have been Schwarzenegger. No, no, no, no, no. It's like Kurt Cousins in the Rock, we're going to give you tons of money. You're going to be this sort of chain restaurant, it's bland, easy, likeability.

And you're going to have like some wins, but you're not winning the title game. And there's no Terminator. You might make round two once in a while? Yeah. You won a game in the Superdome against Drew Brees in the playoffs. That was a legitimate win. But you also got hammered by the 49ers and everybody else. That's a good comparison.

I'm so disappointed in like his or is he like Phil Rivers, but even like Phil Rivers, like he played in a tour with the tourn ACL that year in the airc title game. The Rock has, when you're making the Rock defense, people go, well, pain and gain, he was really good. It's like, great. That's a movie I would never watch again, but you're right, he was really good. He doesn't have his moment. He did, he had walking tall he was given, skyscraper, he had a bunch of bat bats. It's, he whiffs.

And listen, we could get into a rock conversation. I'm not a fan of his movies. And I get really triggered when they say, you know, he's this generation Sportsnager. I'm like, fuck you, Schwarzenegger has iconic, brilliant movies. Like, this guy makes popcorn garbage. I'm not into it. He was good in the fast movies. I'll give him that.

Yeah, even those themselves are their specific niche. I know those are your thing, like, but you can't, can't. carry those by yourself. I don't know. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trail, Catherine Hahn, Steve Bouchemy, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh,

Philip Baker Hall. There's an interesting Sam Jackson as Travers kind of fork in the road that I think could have been fun. I'll just ask you, is this movie better of Sam Jackson as Travers?

Of course it's better. Yeah, of course it's. So there you go. Fetch motherfucker! It's great. Did I ask you? that's great my answer i have a rule for this category i always answer philip baker hall and i only do it as philip baker hall in the role of flyd gondoli and he would be frank and

he would just say listen i like rescuing people i like butter in my ass i like watching people on film fucking that's just me i like lollipops in my mouth and rescuing hikers that that's that's who's just who i am that's that's the answer i love flora yeah him and the kairobi scene would have been great. Get out of here, unless you have butter for my ass. This is the future. This is the talent right here.

Why does Floyd like butter in his ass? Is that literally put sticks of butter in his ass? What does it mean? He's his mouth. I don't know. We're not supposed to ask. He's Floyd. Just one Oscar.

Who gets it? Who do you got? Rooker? Lithgow? Stallone? I went with the rook. I went with the Rooker. And I, I look.

I did too. I did. you did. Maybe you've done it. I looked up best supporting that year, like best supporting actor. What do you got? You got some hitters. All right. Yeah, it's tough. Gene Hackman wins for Unforgiven. Yeah. Nicolson, a few good men.

Pacino, Glenn Gary, and then David Pamer for Mr. Saturday Night and Jay Davidson for the crying game. We could have snuck a nomination in there, right? Yeah, probably in Pamer's spot. Yeah. That's so funny if they showed and the nominees are Michael Rooker for Cliff Hager. What's the clip? What is he saying in the clip?

Oh, he's definitely on the mountain with Stallone. You did it your way and she died. And then he goes in a tuxedo at Kodak Theater. He's in a box with De Niro and Pacino. And the Oscar goes to Michael Rooker, cliffhanger. It's fucking great. This goes to Sarah. We shouldn't have been up there.

I'm still pissed off of Gabe. I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. I was going to send her my harness. probably in answerable questions. How good of a striker was Delmar? Do you think like second level English? Couple coffee, couple tryouts with like Chelsea? Club teams.

I mean, he couldn't put Rooker to sleep with several flush kicks. So maybe the power wasn't his thing. Yeah, maybe he peaked in like AYSO, England AYSO, like each 15. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good question though. All those bats in the cave. I never know the answer to this, but I just. I assume you don't want to be in a cave that's filled with bats

and they would probably be a little more damaged than just somebody holding their hands up. Stallone also loves being in caves with rats and bats and all kinds of the second time because he did this first blood too, but I just feel like you would have gotten bit by one of the bats. Terrible. But I don't know.

I don't understand bats. I don't, they scare me. I don't know if they seem like rats who can fly. You get rabies from them. But yet, I don't know anybody who's ever been bit by a bat. I just don't know how to feel about bats. Should I be more scared or less scared? Yeah, I think you should be scared.

They can't see, are they going to bite me? What is it? Yeah, I'm very scared. I'm not into it at all. Okay. All right. What do you got? This is my favorite one. Okay. Is this a better movie? If this movie ends, they pull up sly,

it seems like the end. Okay. And Rooker takes Janine Turner's character. and throws her off the mountain and says to slide, now we're even. Holy shit. Credits. Yeah. Yeah.

That's an amazing turn. Like, I'm thinking of like, dude, I'm thinking of the end of the last the Mohicans when that girl just jumps off the cliff at the end and you're like, oh shit, Michael, man. It kind of reminiscent of that. And then you set up the sequel and Rooker is like a psychopath and he's lost and he's been plotting his device. Jesus. Yeah.

He could even throw her off the cliff and into the helicopter blades. then we can just dial it up a little bit. Like that, that's an amazing pull. And then it becomes the best first scene and best final scene, like a bookend, like in 90s movies. Yeah, it is a better movie. I wish he would have. Yeah.

That's where I landed as well. I was like, I wish they had filmed the Deweeded where he just throws Jesse off the mountain. It's the local, oh, no! Yeah. And then it's like, close the credits. Damn, that would be great. Now I'm really thinking about that. Now we're even.

Yeah, that was good. Now, now we're even. That's it. Roll credits. Best double feature choice for the movie. I went with Shoot to Kill because they're kind of in the same phylum. But what did you have? I went with another just stupid-ass action movie from this era. I want to go with Drop Zone with my guy Snipes. I like Drop Zone.

Drops sounds good. I haven't seen that in a while. Yeah, it's kind of the same movie just with Snipes instead of Stallone. It plays. There's some cool scenes. I'm going Drop Zone. Love Snipes. Yeah. Andy and Red Zawatineer. for what happened the next day, question mark. I think Gabe secretly kept 500K,

got out of the saving business and opened a gym. You'll be the first gold's gym in Colorado. That's great. And everybody's just used out of their minds. Gabe's gym. That's incredible. He was the first one, you got a green jish machine in the mornings. Yeah, you can do wheatgrass.

Yeah, I'm going to Gabe's gym. Yeah. And then you just go in the locker room and I'll just give you the best roads the money can buy. It's just you're going to be huge. A huge, jacked mountain climber. Come to Gabe's gym. They're like, how are he opening?

Ah, don't ask. That's good. How long do you think Gabe and Jesse stay together? Probably about a month? To have like a torrid sexual relationship for like a month and just work out all their frustration and then Gabe's gone again. Also, like Jesse's got major issues.

Like Rocky Mountain Rescue is just fucked. Like they lost their helicopter. Those things are like half a million. I'm sure they're insured, but like that's their business. What are they going to do, now. She's got to take over for Frank.

Yeah, Frank's dead. They got the stoner bros are dead. A lot of questions about what's going on in that mountain, too. We've had multiple people fall to their death. We've had a helicopter crash. Yeah. There's some missing money. The FBI is kind of world.

Yeah, tough. Get out of there. What piece of memorabilia would you want from the movie? I'm going to go with that glove. I love the shot of that. You have the glove too? Yeah, it's great. It's up there is some of the most famous.

club. We mentioned the OJ glove, but like, you know, the Freddie Kruger glove, Michael Jackson's glove. I like the glove from the open, anything from the opening scene I'll take. Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson. For me, it's don't take your novice climber girlfriend up to like the scariest mountain and the Colorado Rockies and expect things to go well, especially if you have an old knee injury. That would have been my lesson. When they do the remake, his motivation for taking her up there, Bill is going to be for the perfect Instagram photo. That's why they're going to do it.

Like they're going to get the most likes on their IG. And then they're also going to do it for her only fans because he made her sign up for one so he could take liberties with her. And that's my theory. I think there's bad things going on up there. By the way, they could easily remake this movie. It would be fine.

Like Craig's generation hasn't seen it. Yeah, I think they need to. I don't think the young people are ever going to see this ever. I'll go back to that. It's on Hulu. Watch it. You can watch it. You'll like it.

The opening scene especially. It hooks you in. Craig, come on in. Come on, Craig. You could be the tiebreaker for who won the movie. Who do you have, Kyle? In my opinion, watching this movie, Sylvester Stallone is a bit of a passenger. He is reserved.

He does the actual acting dialogue and story. He goes to Michael Rooker. And in the scenes he has with Stallone, he beats Stallone in those scenes. I'm going with Michael Rooker in an upset to win. in the movie. So, I guess we don't need Craig as a tiebreaker because I also have Rooker. I had him. I thought he won the movie.

I actually didn't even think it was close. I think he's better than Stallone in the movie. I liked him more. I thought he was more compelling in the scenes. I thought it was more believable when he was fighting the bad guys. Yeah. I was all in. What do you think, Craig?

Clean, sweet, Rooker all the way through. I mean, he's also just like the main character of the whole middle of the movie. It's like him and Liffgal going through the snow for like an hour. I think he has more lines than Sly in the movie. I really do. I bet you he speaks more than Stallone in this movie. I think it's his movie. The fucking Rooker Sants.

It was happening. Hell yes. Craig, any last thoughts before we go? I have a life lesson. Yeah. Don't try to save your friend's girlfriend. It's not going to end well. Let him do that.

Hey, not on me. You brought her up here. Yeah, true. What did he had to gain versus what did he have to lose? Yeah. I wish there was like a little back and forth like, no, you go. And he's like, no, you go. Lock paper, scissors for who goes.

Come on, let's go. Yeah, brought her up there. It's, her bringing it up there, Bill, is like, imagine if in point break, Bodey was like, oh, you never surf before it? There's the storm down in Australia. It's going to be this great wave. You'll love it. You're totally going to get in.

It's a 100-foot wave. It'll be cool. Craig, you missed the Stallone era. As you re-watch some of these Stallone movies, are you just in awe that this human being existed? in an unironic way for years and years and years? Well, I was thinking about this. It bums me out because, you know, action stars peaked in the 80s and 90s, right? With Arnold and Sly, Bruce Willis.

But technology is obviously peaking now and will continue to peak. So it's kind of a bummer that a lot of these great stars are attached to movies that don't hold up visually. Like, they were just 20 years too early. If we had Sly now, imagine Cliffhanger made right now with the technology. right now with Sly. Now we have the rock doing it and it's just not the same. Yeah, it's too bad. It's like how some of the quarterbacks from the 80s and

90s just missed the era, right? L.A. now would have been so much more fun to watch than L.A. just getting the shit kicked out of him for 15 years. Oh yeah. And I even look at guys like a random guy, like Pat White. Like when he came into the league, they're like, we got to make a receiver or something.

There was no RPO. There was none of that shit, but he could run so well. And like, those types of players could have done so much better. The Eric crouch types like Scott Frost you name it they come to today's league it would have been much different story. Yeah even you take von Dam or Swayze and just pull them out we didn't even need with so many action heroes we didn't even need those guys just pull them out of there and put them here and they're like the biggest stars in the world. I miss those guys. Too bad can I have one picking that one? Yeah let's hear it so the Rocky Mountain Rescue crew is comprised of two ripped 40 year old

men, a 70-year-old man and like an 130-pound woman, that's the team. There's no one else. Some young blood they needed. Yeah, like you have a 70-year-old pilot and a woman pilot and then two just 40-year-old guys. That's it. That's true. Yeah, like, who's the intern? Yeah, there's no like recruitment process. Why have they like 10 young guys who are in their 20s like on this team? Because the stoners don't want to work, bro. They don't want to work. That's what I know. There's not a lot was happening on the mountain. Yeah. Well, they just said they had the two stoner guys and I don't know.

I also, the location jumps in this movie. There's like four different scenes where one person says to the other, meet me at the top of that peak. He's there in 10 minutes. He's there in 10 minutes. It's like that they're there immediately. It's really strange. They're always going up.

It's like, me and be up there. Yeah. Well, there's that one moment when Stallone's freezing and he sees the cabin, and it's really far away. And then immediately he's there in the cabin. it's like freezing and it's like man that was kind of a far walk in the snow. They give him like a thin thermal

and he's okay now. That warmed him up. Right. All right. That was producing Craig Horacek. He produced this. Thanks to him. Kyle Brandt, a fucking pleasure as always. This was the first of five movies we're doing in January. You know what this is, Kyle? It's one-name

movie month. Oh, great. Watchables. Every movie we're doing in January only has one name. It's just heat four times. Yeah, we're doing heat for the next four weeks. I can't wait for Jade rewatchable, Bill. I'll be there.

It's going to be fun. That's coming next week. All right, Kyle, thank you. Don't forget to check Kyle Brant's basement. Yeah. And don't forget to check out good morning football with him and our buddy Peter Schrager and the whole cast. Say out of our guy J-Mack.

Say out of Jamie. Good to see you, Kyle Brand. Always good to see you, Bill.