The Rewatchables - ‘Crash’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Joanna Robinson

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Joanna Robinson revisit one of the most controversial Best Picture–winning films of all time, Paul Haggis’s ‘Crash,’ starring Don Cheadle, Matt Dillon, Thandiwe Newton, Sandra Bullock, Terrence Howard, and Michael Peña. Watch this episode on our Ringer Movies YouTube Channel! This episode is sponsored by State Farm®. Create an affordable price just for you with the State Farm Personal Price Plan.® Producer: Craig Horlbeck Video Producers: Jack Sanders and Chia Hao Tat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We don't normally do this. We usually do movies we love and we can't stop rewatching, but it's the Oscars. And we're going to do Crash, which won the 2006 Best Picture Award. And it's unbelievable. And it's next. Get out. I just had a gun pointed in my face.

Experience the most provocative and powerful. Powerful movie of the year. We need his man here. He dies. I'm going to find out who did this. He put in Rupertiff, Crash, two thumbs way up. You had a conversation with God, huh? What did God say?

One of the best films of 2005. What did you do? Crash. Ridid R. In theaters everywhere Friday. All right, Joina Robinson is here. Van Lathan is here. You guys have sorted out all your Marvel stuff. Yeah.

Captain America, Brave New World, is a text exchange. Yeah. So just a spicy text exchange. Yeah. You don't care. Why don't even ask? I don't care at all. I do care about the biggest Oscars, Travis did the 21st century, Crash winning over Brokeback Mountain.

This is a weirdly watchable movie. And I would even say a rewatchable movie that is also now kind of a comedy. That's what you said. I want to know what mood you're in when you sit down to rewatch Crash. There's good scenes in this. movie, but the totality of it leaves me going, I can't believe this happened. What's happening on a day where Bill's like,

I'm going to fire up crash? I got to get my crash on. Flip in channels. It's like, oh, Matt Dillon's running up the hill. Okay. He's going to try to savor in the car. It's like, all right, I'll watch this scene. Yeah, so,

I hadn't seen the movie in a while. I've seen it a bunch of times. I hadn't seen the movie in a while. It's, it's not very rewatchable. I have not seen it since I saw it in theaters. Maybe we call it the hate watchable. Now, we're celebrating. I thought it was the 20th anniversary of when it won,

but it's actually the 19th anniversary. Now, I'll say this, though. When you get into the movie, there's just like a wave of nostalgia that hit you because of the cast. Yeah. And because of what place we must have been in society for this movie to have been made and been taken so seriously, Because, like, everybody in the movie is at a weird type of position in their career.

Yeah. Terrence Howard is as hot as he ever was in this movie. But we don't know that in 2005 when he's making it. No. He has this in Huston Flow the same year. And this is it. Sandra Bullock is in a sort of, and Brendan Fraser as well. Like, Brendan Fraser more than her.

Brendan Frieser is in a weird limel. It's almost over for him as a star. Right. Sandra Bulk is like I'm being typecast in rom-coms. I got to break out of this. I'm going to play the biggest bitch who's ever been in a movie. Meanwhile, Michael Pena is on the ride. This is his first big job.

Cheel is taking control of his Hollywood A-list status in this one because he's also a producer. And then you look throughout the cast and there's just other people who this is either their first big series thing. They're making a turn. Or Matt Dillon near the end of being a major star. Right. But this was supposed to be sort of his revival. Yeah. And it didn't quite work out that way.

Although he did get nominated, which I was shocked by. He was the only actor nominated of this movie, and that's just one of the many delightful things about Crash. What did you think on your rewatch? I agree with Van Knight. I don't think I've seen it. I saw it since I saw it in the theaters, but I remember it so well. So rewatching it, I was like, these are sort of iconic, comical, but iconic film scenes. you know, the Matt Dillon Tandua Newton car crash scene, Michael Pena with his daughter,

like there's just a bunch of moments, Santa Bullock falling down the stairs, whatever it is, you know, there's something for everyone. But I just remember this movie so well. Why did she fall down the stairs? You know what I'm saying? It's like it's... It's karma, man. I know, but like...

And she had a lesson to learn. Why did she fall down the stairs? So we could find out that Carol's a bitch. It's just, you know? That's the kind of thing. She needed the scene with the maid. Yeah. You're the only friend I have.

There are a couple of scenes in the movie that get it devastatingly right. And I'll talk about, but like, I talk about like, did you get emotional during this movie at any point? A little bit. There are times just because the sheer human agony that's happening on the screen, sometimes you relate to it. But it's so ham-fisted, overwrought and heavy-handed that you, In its totality, you just cannot take it seriously. In its totality, it becomes funny because you start to think what race thing can happen next? Like, if all the characters at the end of this movie would have joined hands and started singing, we shall overcome, it would have made sense in context of the movie.

Yeah. Except instead, you have Loretta Devine coming in and saying, like, speak American to me and the car crash scene at the end. Race. I like the nostalgia angle. I'm just saying. Every single, look, in a lot of ways, I can make an argument that this movie brought me to L.A. We, okay. You saw this movie, you were like, that's where I want to be.

Yeah. Because he's like, I want to be in a place where people have to crash into each other to feel something. To feel something. Yeah. I'm in Louisiana this whole time. And Louisiana has grown tired of my schick. Yeah. They know it.

I've been doing it since the sixth grade. I'm in the all-wide classes. I'm injecting race into every. They're immune to it, right? It's not working on them anymore. Yeah. And crash comes out. I'm 25.

Yeah. I'm 24. I'm looking around. I'm like, where could I go to where I can revitalize the thing that I do? Yeah. Boom. That's the place. L.A.?

2005. Right as Matt Dillon's running up that hill, Vans. Like, I'm running to L.A. So, okay. So when do you think L.A. is going to grow tired of your shtick? What do you think? Never. Probably not.

Yeah. There's just too many people. There's too much shtick. He keeps adding. So, like, He added the hat last year. He keeps adding wrinkles. You got to come up with new gimmicks.

Also, it's now the point that I've actually grown tired of this shit. I came to the ringer, and now I just want to talk about Star Wars and basketball all day long. But every time I walk down the street, NFL draft, somebody grabs me and they go, see what happened to South Carolina? They outlawed Negro. And I'm like, got a spring to action. Right. You're just on call at all times.

So that's the thing. So we ride to the wheels fall off. The nostalgia thing. one of you mentioned, which I thought is an interesting point because this did make me nostalgic for this pre-social media era of movies like this where people kind of didn't know any better and they just went for it. And there wasn't like a fear of a backlash because it was much harder to have backlash back then. Back then we had newspapers. We had early internet websites. We had like deep, deep message boards. No, I'm just saying like there was less of a

mechanism to kind of respond in anger to a movie like this. So this was a slow build. And I don't think it really, I don't think people really got pissed off about this movie until the Oscars. When it won best picture and you can go back and watch it on YouTube, Nicholson's the he's the presenter. And he does it and he reads it and he's like, the winner's crash. And he goes, whoa.

And you hear the crowd, the crowd, which I don't know if I've ever heard this at the Oscars. They make like a what the fuck noise. They're like, oh, it was like one of those noises. And that was when this movie, it turned. I think especially because at that Oscars, Engley had one director. And once he won director, people thought, oh, Shirley Brokeback's going to win Best Picture. Well, there was a thing, Brokeback was the only movie to win PGA, DGA, and WGA and not win Best Picture Oscar.

Yeah. Which, by the way, Anora's, we're taping this before the Oscars, but Anora is the next one that could. It's on that. The conversation became really divisive after a while because what started to happen was it almost was like the Hollywood liberal elites wanted to award one type of film and they chose race over a movie with gay themes because we still weren't there yet. We actually weren't. But now it's broke back is such a great movie and it's kind of, it's kind of insane that it didn't win. There was some backlash before the Oscar went. And I only know this because I read a really embarrassing Roger Ebert column where he was defending.

We're going to hit that later. Yeah. Where he's defending the movie against its critics. He loved it and then had a second. He went back. He had another bite of the apple when people are like, actually it's not very good. And he's like, how dare you? Here's what you're missing about crash.

Here's what you don't understand about crash. Let me, Roger Ebert, explain it to you. So that was all before, I think, the Oscar win. And, but yeah, then it really cemented itself as, I think if it hadn't won the Oscar, we, I mean, we definitely wouldn't still be talking about crash. We would be talking about a little bit, but not the way we talk about it where it became sort of the most famously egregious Oscar Best Picture win. The first, like, hit piece I remember heading into an Oscars, remember reading was my favorite writer William Goldman. He wrote a saving private Ryan review before that Oscars, and he just fucking torpedoed it. and it was great.

And it was like, oh, my God, I can't. And it was kind of like, it was a glimpse of where the internet was probably going with some of this stuff. But by 05, some of the crash pieces, they're really funny to reread. People were on it pretty early. Like, this movie made people mad. I also like that movies like this exist where people either get super mad or super defensive about it. Because now where do we have this in movies in the same way anymore? We don't because everybody kind of runs and huddles their corner.

Right, everyone's in their little spheres. Yeah. A movie over here is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Like right now, everyone is in unison about Amelia Perez. Right? They're not very many Amelia Perez defenders. But that wasn't the case two months ago. I think we do still get those, like, debates.

I don't think it was the case too much. By the way, when I say everyone, I mean, the people. Like, the industry seems to love the movie, right? Right. You're saying, like, the fantasy people? Yeah. They're, like, on Letterbox, logging that they saw Amelia Perez?

The people, everyone that saw it was just, like, immensely offended by the movie. However, the critical acclaim for the movie is perplexing them. It's actually driving them, those people that hate the movie even more. Oh, yeah. But you have two very distinct different. factions. Crash was a movie that people were told that they should love and they were told that this movie is an incredibly biting and important criticism on race. The conversation that we all need to have. And then when you watched it, it was so comical. From the very first scene,

it was so comical. I was like, what for real? This is, we're supposed to take this like seriously. every single stereotype is approached and then like sort of validated in the movie to a point to where it kind of doesn't mean anything in the end it's just funny

I think the other difference like there's the if you want to talk about like online outrage culture that's one thing but there's also like we aren't all collectively watching movies like this anymore this is a $7 million movie it's a small movie

I don't think you get the people, as you're saying, don't go in droves to see this in the theater. If they're watching it at all, they're maybe watching it at home in the background. So you won't get an opportunity for people to have that kind of debate about a movie like this because they're streaming, I don't know, White Lotus instead or whatever else they're watching.

Cheeto gave it real credibility for me when it came out, the fact that he was a producer. It didn't get made without him. Yeah. Yeah. And just at the point of the career he was at, I just really liked him. and stuff I liked, and the fact that he was in it, it was like, oh, maybe, but it was even in 05

pretty notable that it was a white director. And that's something in 2025, there's no way a white director makes this movie. I think it's zero chance. No, it's interesting. I don't know. You think not a zero chance? I don't know. We're just not that far away from Green Book.

Like, you know, there's just like, every time I think we're done with something like this. Every time I think we're done, we come back to it. So. They'll never stop making Green Book. I have a list of movies like this later. They'll never stop making Green Book. They'll never stop making the movie where white people solve racism. That's going to exist so you guys can feel good about yourselves in perpetuity.

Thanks. I'm so happy. You guys always will have one of those. Thanks. This movie, though, I feel like, can only be made by a white director. Okay. Well, yeah. Crash.

A black man cannot have directed this movie. Why? Why? Because the movie, it's a movie about race that's obviously made by somebody white. Yeah. It ignores, in my opinion, so much historical and contemporary context to put everyone in these trite, stupid, like, racial stereotypes. It's working so hard to make you believe that we're all a little good and we're all a little good, and we're all a little bad. The movie actually has one of the most grotesque scenes of police misconduct that I've seen

in a movie, you know what I mean, beyond like a cop just shooting somebody, literally a sexual assault, then has that exact same police officer saved a black woman's life. You cannot justify that scene. And I think it was like 12 hours later. And be a black director. You cannot justify that scene. And be the hero. Yeah.

be the hero in that moment. Matt Dillon running up that hill to be the hero. It's a hero shot. With the hero music, too, it's like, there's like no possible way you could justify that scene if you are Steve McQueen, Barry Jenkins, Ryan Coogler, like, you can't, it's impossible. Also, to your point, I think all the racism is so obvious and broad that it just ignores the subtler, like, microaggression factuality of how we navigate our life.

And so everyone is such like a caricature of a racist that can make you feel good, watch you a white person watching and are just like, well, I'm no Sandra Bullock, so I'm fine. I'm not racist, you know? Right. The movie starts off with these, obviously, there's a thing before that, but two guys who we don't know are carjackers, right? One dude is ludicrous character, is ridiculously hyper aware of every racial microaggression that exists. He's also hyper-aware. of this entire construct of American racism. And he's even talking about how big the windows on the bus. All of that stuff, right? He's what you would consider to be woke. However, he is chosen to be a criminal,

a criminal with a code that he doesn't rob black people. He's got this entire worldview, this entire politic that he's chosen to go out there and be a criminal. The moment they got, because we got guns, I'm like, yeah. Let's get into it. This guy, he's talking to me. He's telling me about, yeah, let's go. We're going to have a wild ride with this one. First best picture film since Rocky in 1976 to only win three Oscars to show like what a shocker this was.

By about the 10-year anniversary, the first thing, the end of the decade, that was when the first backlash really happened. By 2015, they're writing about it. And Paul Haggis, the director, he said, was Crash the best film of the year? I don't think so. Crash, for some reason, affected people,

touch people. People still come up to me more than any of my films and say, that film just changed my life. I've heard that dozens and dozens and dozens of times. So did its job there. I mean, I knew it was the social experiment that I wanted. So I think it's a really good social experiment. Is it a great film?

I don't know. That's also Paul Haggis on his, like, I'm no longer a Scientologist tour. Yeah. That's a whole part of this narrative. Like, why did this win best picture? Part of it is Scientology. Explain.

Paul Hagg is massive Scientologist, and a lot of this is like, Scientology at the height of its secretive power in Hollywood before it starts, like, in 2007 is when you start getting bigger exposés on Scientology, and people start saying, like, oh, hey, where is Shelley, Miskevich. Like, what has happened in Scientology before that? They're operating in the shadows,

and this is, like, one of their biggest, you know, Haggis wins for a million-dollar baby. He wins the screenwriting. Yeah, wins for crash. Does, like, three films the following year. Like, he's on a heater, and then he leaves the Church of Scientology, and the minute he does, he's gone. Yeah. And that's just like, I'm sorry. I don't mean to sound like conspiracy, Joanna, but that is connected. I'll give you the background on him. Longtime TV writer in the 80s 90s, early 2000s, won the back-to-back screenwriter Oscars. Walker, Texas Ranger. One best film for this movie.

Yeah, did Family Law? Was that with the bald guy? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I remember Family Law. 35-year Scientologist left in 2009, three years after a row of a, which is like his last big Hollywood thing.

And then he's one of the ugliest Me Too stories. I had like a civil suit for rape and got bankrupted by it two years ago, claimed that church framed him. Yeah. Pretty ugly reading. He got like arrested abroad. So yeah, that's part of the history of this movie. Yeah, I don't talk about them people.

The cast includes two future Oscar winners. Fred and Fraser and Sandra Bullock. Terrence Howard, Matt Dillon, nominated, Cheetah, Michael Pena, Ryan Philippe. Kind of tail end of the Ryan Philippe era. Philippe. You mentioned Newton. How do you say your first name?

Philippe. Is it Philippe? Tandui? Oh, Tandui Newton. Tandui Newton? Yeah. I call him Ryan Filippe. That was Tandy.

It's Tandy. No, she goes by Tanduiway. Yeah, she changed. She added a W. Yeah, that's very important. She did. Ryan Filippe, you call him? Ryan Filippe.

Ryan Filippe. Ryan Filippe. Ryan Filippe. Well, call him what I want. Well, I mean, you can't. Like, I'm just saying, I've never heard, I've literally never heard Ryan Leap. You heard it now. Jennifer Esposito.

Ludicris. Ludicris. Uh-huh. Lorenz Tate? Yeah. Interesting Lorenz Tate role. So I so. I was going to do this later, but I genuinely like him, and I like him in every movie, and I don't know why he wasn't a slightly bigger star.

He was in a lot of movies that I liked playing guys that I liked in the movie. He had a really nice 10-year run, and then he just kind of went to TV, and that was it. It's an interesting role for him because he spent the entire 90s building an undeniable momentum him to become a Hollywood star. Yeah. He kind of was Cheeto five years before Cheeto. I mean, he literally went from critically acclaimed performance New Jack City, right? He did dead presidents, another incredibly important cultural movie.

The Postman, like, that's your big, huge Hollywood joint, right? Then he has his starring role. A couple rom-coms. A couple rom-coms. He has Love Jones, beloved film. Then he has, why do fools fall in love? he's Frankie Lyman, that's your big biopic. He normally, he spends all of that time building up,

and then when Crash comes out, he plays, number one, he plays a lot younger. He plays like a 21-year-old, 22-year-old kid, which in it of itself is interesting. Yeah. And then, two, he plays second fiddle to a lot of people that he felt like he should have been on their level. Yeah.

It felt like he should have been maybe almost, it felt like he made more sense in actually Don's role. Oh, really? At that point? Like, at that point in his career. Don was the producer. I know that Don was the producer and Don was further along in his career than what Lorenz was. But they're about the same age, yeah.

But when you looked at it, I was, even when it was on back then, I was like, oh, it seemed like a role where he was trying to reenter the conversation after having a couple of cool years or something like that. He's second fiddle to ludicrous in this movie. He is for sure. Well, Ludicrous is a hell of an actor. Ludicrous is. He says, I am DB. I was looking at it. I was like, man, I like a lot of these movies.

Littaker's genuinely great in this movie. When I first watched, he was surprised at how good he was in the movie. I was surprised. He's good in every fast movie, too. I mean, he's good in the fast movies, but he's not, like, trying to do anything in the past movies. I just like him.

I think he's good. So, this was inspired by a real-life incident where Hagus's Porsche was carjacked in 91 outside a video store in Wilshire Borlvard. The movie completely, by the way, just real quick, I didn't know that until I started doing my research on the movie. The movie totally makes sense now. Yeah.

Totally makes sense now. And he kind of had this idea, followed it away, wrote an outline for it, didn't do anything with it for 10 years. He wants to make a movie about all the microaggressions and the societal reasons that he was carjacked. He wants to make a movie about that, but he can't quite do it without bringing everybody else into it. And he feels the need to tell everybody's story to where really the story,

story that he wants to tell. It's about being him a white guy being carjacked. He wants to know why that happened to him. Yeah. And then that ends up becoming this entire movie where he has to kind of litigate why that happens to anyone, why everything happens to everybody. But really, that's what he wants to talk about. It's obvious to me. Well, he said he wrote Crash to criticize racist and bust liberals for the idea that the U.S.

had become a post-racial society. Yeah, he got us. Got us good. He showed us. They had a $7.5 million dollar budget. He took out three mortgages on his house. They'd reused locations to try to save money. The cast took way less.

And they sold it in Toronto for $3.5 million. He released it in the spring of 05, built it wide, put out the DVDs in the fall. And then Oprah. That was the big stamp of approval. That was the whole cast comes on the show in October. Oprah stamps the movie. Then they decide to put DVDs to the different guilds. They were the first movie to send the DVDs to all the guild members.

I'll send you winning a Best Picture Oscar. Screener Gate, love it. They created it. Oprah and Screeners. Oprah and Screeners. I remember two things about the Oprah thing. Number one, I remember the big deal that it was that Ludacris was on Oprah's show. He was on Oprah's show as Chris Bridges.

Oprah didn't really have rappers on her show. And Ludacris went on the show and he kind of called her out on it. And they kind of went back and forth. I think part of it was taken out of the show and it was a big deal during the Oprah hates hip-hop era. What an error that was.

It was a huge era. It was a big era. And then also, we should do a retrospectum on Oprah's decision-making. We really should. One do that now or after the break? Let's do it after the break. This seven, This episode is brought to by Pure Michigan.

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Here we go. We're coming for Scientology and Oprah. Let's do it. No, Van's not going near Scientology. It's not saying. Staying away. Like, one time saw them people on Hollywood Boulevard, like recording people's faces.

Y'all got it. Whatever y'all need. But you're not scared of Oprah? Not as much. Not as much. Because I love Oprah, but this is with love. Sure. We got to look.

We have to look back at some of the decisions. Number one, Oz, Dr. Phil. Obviously, we took two hugeails there. Crash the movie. Yeah. Okay. What was the guy that wrote the movie, wrote the book, and he was on Oprah, and the book was great.

Oh, he turned out to be a plagiarist. Turn out the guy and write the book. James Frey. Yeah. I think that somebody should do like an Oprah spreadsheet. Ring her narrative pod? Ring her narrative pod. Episode 3, the guy who lied about his book?

A spreadsheet about the things that Oprah has put us on and whether or not is actually been super dope. You know what? You miss 100% of the shots. Are you going to call it like Oprah Losefree? There you go. Yeah. There you go. Doesn't roll off the tongue, but we can workshop it.

That's an interesting title. I like it, Joe. So. I don't. Well, here's my question about Paul Huggis pitches this show, Pitches this is a TV show. Yeah. What does Crash the TV show look like?

Well, we found out. They made it on stars. Oh, my God. And then he died. Yeah. But what is it? But what is it? He died.

That's why the show got canceled. Well, what does it look like in the mid-2000s? Where is it airing? It's an HBO. I would say showtime. No. Showtime is a great. It's a great call.

HBO passes. It might be stars because it was on stars. I think it's showtime. I think you're right. How about 10 years later is Crash? Is it a Netflix? It's for sure Netflix. It's like the fourth show they make.

So a couple other things. Terrence Howard, we mentioned huge year. Bullock is in the movie for like less than 10 minutes, but was really important for I remembered her being in it so much more. Here's, I'm going to, before we get to the categories, who's the worst person in this movie? Ryan Filthy. Why?

Why do you think? I think it's super miscast. No, how about, I'm saying character. Oh, worse character. Yeah. Well, he also does a murder, but... Yeah, I mean... So it's not a bad pick.

What about Fickner? I got to be honest with you. That scene between Figner and... Cheetle. Cheetle, that is the one scene in the movie that overwhelmingly works to me. Oh, I think that Tony Danza scenes good. That's a good scene, too. I think the Danza scene...

I thought that was one of the most realistic scenes. That's the one that's closest to, like... an actual conversation that a human has had in their life. But either one of those things, either one of those scenes, like, I've literally been both of those black dudes. Yeah. Like, I've been the black dude where some white guys, like, like, sitting you down and he's telling you,

you just don't know when to take a win. Like, you need to do, you have to get a little dirty to get what you need to do. And I've also been the other guy, I've fucking got fired for that. I also have been the guy where they're trying to tell you to ramp it up a little bit. Yeah. And you're like, don't tell me how to, but I didn't, he cucked out. I, I apologize for that.

You've never. Don't even play like that. I'm saying, don't even, don't even play like that because people will believe that. But in that first conversation, the one, the one that you're saying, the Cheatle-Fickner conversation, when you had that conversation, did that person say to you, black people, am I right? Is that something that they said with their mouth to you? What, they don't, the, obviously that they played. seen up a little bit. They don't say it like that though, but what they do is they

rap, they're trying to get to their end. It's a shit sandwich as a gift. They're representing it. They're trying to get to their end. And they tell you, listen, you're not going to be able to do what you want to do by staying pure. You're going to have to get dirty and play the optics of it.

This is how the world works. This is how it works. Yeah, that conversation, just not the way that it plays out inside of this movie. No, because he He said all that to grab his attention, to like rope him in and make him know that I'm shooting straight with him. I think the worst character in the movie as a human being is Sandra Bulk. It's completely unredeeming in every way. There's not one redeeming thing.

I was going to bring that up later. Did she create the Karen character? Is this the first Karen in the movie? As I, your most Karen adjacent member of the Ringer staff, she's way worse than a Karen. Like a Karen, this is, because the thing about a Karen is that it's sometimes subtle or insidious. Yeah. And that's, there's no subtlety here with this character. You know what I mean?

I still go for Matt Dillon and I'll tell you why. Like, wow, it's a good choice. So I can't argue it. Guys, there's no bad options in this movie. That's true. With, with, they don't give Michael Pena any, he's got no red in his ledger. That's true. He's a, he's, he's, he's the only.

Well, he's the answer to the other question, which is who's the best character in this movie. Easily. Easily. Easily him. Easily him. They probably deleted a domestic violence scene with him or something. Or something like that. I got to make them not like him.

But she gets traumatized early in the movie. And the thing about that is that her fear gets validated. She's scared of the guys. Yeah, she's holding the purse. But at the same time, they actually robbed her. So the rest of the time that, like she's freaking out about stuff, you're thinking, well,

her instincts were right before. You could almost like argue it away as her being... Validated. Yeah, validated a little bit. But with him, he literally is having issues in another area of his life.

He's the nightmare police officer. He's the cop that's having a bad situation at home, that's having a bad day that got stuck in traffic, and because of that, he kills or assaults you. Like, he did say, the lady at the end and he is going through something with his father, but that's like the worst version

of the fear that a lot of people have on the police. I think there's also, I mean, for me, it's, it's, because it's all systemic, uh, the, the, the Brendan Fraser character and the Fickner character and that whole,

you know, office, again, it's, it's like, it's settler, especially the Brendan Fraser character who you could argue if you're watching it, you think, well, he's close to a good guy. He doesn't want his wife to say racist shit, inside of his house and stuff like that. But, like, no, there's nastiness there too.

And the nastiness that's hidden, I think, is much scarier than her, you know, spewing it around the house. At the end, though, it looked like Brendan Frazier was... Oh, he's definitely fucking her. Getting it in. That's the type of shit that we're talking about. Deleted scene there, definitely. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Nona Gay. 100 miles an hour. Jesus. Where's known that? I interviewed her at the Ali Junkett. I told you about that. Yeah.

How that gone? She's unbelievable. I don't know why she wasn't a gigantic star. I don't really understand it. It seemed like she didn't want it. I don't think she did. Because there was, there's a moment here. There's this, the Matrix.

I'm missing. Oh, and Ali. She was one of the most beautiful actions of that decade. It felt like it was all sitting there for her. It kind of seemed like at the end she just kind of, she wasn't into it. Probably. 6.5 million dollar budget made 98.4 million. Lowest grossing film domestically to win Best Picture in 18 years.

Last Emperor. One Oscars for picture, screenplay editing, nominated for director, Matt Dillon, and one more. Roger Ebert, here we go. We love Roger Ebert. Every once in a while, he misses. The great ones miss. Larry Bird missed a couple game winners.

Michael Jordan missed a couple game winners. It happens. Four stars. Best film of 05. Quote, not many films have the possibility of making their audiences better people. I don't expect Crash to Work any miracles, but I believe anyone's seeing it

is like to be moved to have a little more sympathy for people not like themselves. Give the context, though. What's the context? Give the context about Raj. Why this movie might have touched him and affected him.

Oh, because of his wife. Yeah. Well, you think that's it? Yeah. I think he watched... I think that he watched the movie and... What do you think she thought of the movie?

She probably was like, Raj, that shit sucked. But he was... She was probably like, I don't want to hear no more about that. Get that movie out of here. But he probably felt like in a place where he's been probably judged and people have made a lot of decisions about him in his life because he's married to a black lady. He probably looked at the movie and went, huh, I get it because some of the shit that Raj's probably got probably came from the black community, which sometimes can be deified in conversations about race relations. Yeah.

So a movie that paints everybody as a little. fucked up, he probably was fucking with it a little bit, a little more than another critic would be. After the Oscars, he said, as someone who felt broke back was a great film, but Crash, a greater one, I would have been pleased if either had won. And then he said about Crash, it's not a safe harbor, but a film that takes the discussion of racism in America in the direction has not gone before in the movies, directing attention at those who congratulate themselves on not being racist, including liberals and or minority group members. See?

See? They like you, right? And or minority group members. Raj was tired of people looking at him crazy at the NAACP. And he's like, you're racist too. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, Coates called it the worst film of the decade in 2009.

This was the first wave of the backlash. He said, I don't think there's a single human being in crash. Arguments and propaganda violently bumping into each other, impressed with their own quirkiness. It's a kind of unthinking and curious, nihilistic multiculturalism. Nothing tempers by extremism more than watching a fellow liberal exhort the virtues of crash. Then he just goes on and on and on, killing it. Let's get to the categories.

What's the perfect age to see this movie? Exactly. I have 65. Oh, I wrote 15 babies first racism. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think?

You had a tiebreaker, 15 or 65 for crash. I'm going to go in the middle. I'm going to go like 23. Why? Oh. Because I think that 23 is at the point where you could have, which is the perfect response to crash. It's called the 10-minute regret. Crash is a 10-minute regret movie.

We've all seen it before where you leave a movie and you go, shit, that shit was okay. Yeah, that shit was. pretty good, man. I see what they was doing. And then on the drive home, by the time you make it home, you're like, man, fuck that movie. Like, you know what I'm saying? By the time you make it home, you keep... I like that. I've heard Van drop this take on like countless superhero movies. It happens all the time. Like, you leave the theater and you're like, they did it. And then by the time you get home, you're like, man, that shit sucked. Like, and Crash is the perfect movie and the perfect time at 23, 24, you think you know the world. You know just

enough to know that what you saw is bullshit. There's a cousin to the 10 minute take, which was my stepfather after we saw Godfather three. Yeah. Which is the I've just lost my leg because it got bit by a shark, but my dad is telling me it's okay. We're leaving off of her. He's like, no, no, it was okay.

It was okay. It was good. There was so good stuff in there. It was like, I have a bloody stuff for a right leg. I think seeing it when you're younger and thinking it's really saying something and then watching it again when you're a little older. I think Joe's right, but I think old people still the 65 and up crowd. Craig, what do you have?

I literally wrote down 72-year-old rich white man because those are all the people that voted for this movie with the Oscars. Yeah, it's true. It's so validating for every old rich white dude. Correct. Can't wait for Craig's take later. Categories. Most rewatchable scene. Carjacking scene. It's a good scene. I say

Pena and his daughter. Well, we're going to list a bunch of them. You have Payne and the daughter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Lachsmus scene? Both being just a bitch from hell is as poor Michael Pena's working on her door?

I would like the locks changed again in the morning. And you know what? You might mention that we'd appreciate it if next time they didn't send a gang member. Yes, yes. Well, you mean that kid in there? Yes. The guy in there with a shaved head,

the pants around his ass, the prison tattoo. Those are not prison tattoos. Oh, really? And he's not going to go sell our key to one of his gangbanger friends the moment he is out our door. We've had a really tough night. I think it would be best if you just went upstairs right now. And what? Wait for them to break in?

I just had a guy. gun pointed in my face. You lower your voice. And it was my fault because I knew it was going to happen. But if a white person sees two black men walking towards her and she turns and walks in the other direction, she's a racist, right? Well, I got scared and I didn't say anything. And ten seconds later, I had a gun in my face. Now, I am telling you, your amigo in there is going to sell our key to one of his homies.

And this time it'd be really fucking great if you acted like you actually gave a shit! This motherfucker Michael Pena was going through it. He really was. Rough two weeks for him. Like, two weeks, this is like two fucking days. It's 24 hours. Yeah. So he literally catches two calls.

One where he gets called a gang member when he's a loving, devoted father. Yeah. And then the other one where he tries to tell the guy, like, Yeah, fix your door. And the guy goes off on him. He just screaming out. Murder him later on. Yeah.

The Lachshma scene. Brendan Fraser not being able to tell the difference seen black and Iraqi, kind of an underrated racist moment in the movie. That's what I'm saying. He's like, 28 other racist moments. He's a stealth winner there.

The Dylan Newton harassment scene, I don't know if rewatchable is the right word, but it's a pretty affecting scene. I think she's really good at that scene. Terrence Howard and her are both like fantastic in that scene. Terrence Howard's great in that scene. Like the way his demeanor slowly changes. That's the confusing thing about this movie.

is the actors are really good in it. They all are, and they got top-flat actors. I tell you something about this movie, though. Terrence Howard doubled up really well in this movie, what I mean, in his career. Having DJ from Hustle and Flood, yeah, come right after this, was a gift. It was a gift that these movies were out at the same time.

Because if not, this is a type of movie that could Orlando Bloom you from Troy. I don't think Orlando Bloom ever recovered from Troy because he was too much of a bitch, okay? I'm sorry Orlando Bloom was the man and then in Troy he was just such a bitch

that I think it really hurt him for years to come and his character is so feckless in this movie that is the kind of thing that can stain you particularly with the community for a lot. Interesting. But DJ kind of got him back there because DJ was a straight G.

I'm so confused though but he's throwing trash into a car fire at the end of the movie isn't that a show of strength? than character growth. Yeah, he got his strength back. He never got it back. Strowing stuff in the fire.

You never got it back. Brave role, though. Seriously, brave roll. And he had a lot of issues to say Louise in his personal life. Yeah, certainly. Terrence Howard. Yeah. If those issues don't happen, I think we, I think he's in the conversation.

If those issues don't happen, he's still rowdy. Like, I think he would have been in a bunch of great stuff. I think it made him unhirable for a couple years there. Oh, I mean, I'll say this. He's had a fantastic career, even. still. Yeah. But I think this, when he started having his issues,

right at the time he would have been drifting off these two movies. My thing is the testament to how talented he is that he kept getting hired after these things became obvious. Because think about it. Prisoners is after this. Yeah. Empire is after this. Oh, yeah.

Like he, and he's back now. He's the world's smartest man. He's figuring out astrophysics and all kinds of shit. He was the first hired onto Iron Man. The first actor, Harold Diamond. High Spade. High Spade. A couple of months.

The Tony Danza scene? Have you noticed, this is weird for a white guy to say, but have you noticed, he's talking a lot less black lately? No, I haven't noticed that. Really? Like in this scene, I was supposed to say, don't be talking about that. And he changed it to don't talk to me about that. Wait a minute, wait a minute. You think because of that, the audience won't recognize him as being a black man?

Is there a problem, Cam? Excuse me? is there a problem There was an oral history about this movie and Terrence Howard said about the Tony Danza scene I remember Paul telling me

about when he worked for a network there were execs who told black jokes and his black colleagues had to just laugh along he wondered what their lives were like and what it felt like to be ethnically neutered shit

Tony Danza by the way incredible stunt casting never I don't think he thought I could see him like that never before since his dance had done something like that I think so No way.

He's pretty good in it. He's good. He's kind of surprised. Dylan saves Newton. A really well-filmed scene. It's absurd. I think if I'm her, I'd just rather die in the car. That scene makes me sick to watch, honestly.

It's really well done, though. I have a new category. I have least rewatchable scenes. This movie has. Seven least re-watchable scenes. And that Terrence Howard getting carjacked and then fighting back would be the only other one I have. See, so that's one of the more absurd. third scenes in the movie that kind of works.

Like, that they don't check the car. They don't, nothing. First Kim. Okay. Our bad. Like him sort of getting to the thing and he's in front of the cops because actually I've seen people that are just tired of taking shit. Yeah.

Make mistakes with the police like that to where they just, you're taking a wrong time with the wrong group of people to assert your manhood. I'm not going to let you tell me to move and all that stuff. That kind of thing actually, they might have stumbled onto something that actually kind of happens. So what do you have for most rewatchable scene? Yeah, Michael Pena and his daughter. Okay. Like the invisible cloak scene.

I got Lickner and Cheeto. Fickner. Fickner. Fickner. He's doing with Ryan Philippe. William Lichner. I have him and Cheeto. I actually watched that scene three times.

I think that's a great scene. I think it's, I think Cheeto is great in the. a scene. And I just think that's actually a legitimately great movie scene to me. You know, I know all the sociological reasons why per capita, eight times more black men are incarcerated than white men. Schools are a disgrace, lack of opportunity, bias in the judicial system, all that stuff, all that stuff. But still, it's got to get to you. On a gut level, there's a black man. They just can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar. I'm a Fickner fan. I mean, he's a key. Fickner.

The Fickner's good at everything. Fickner doing voice-only work in Mr. and Mrs. Smith is one of my top-tier, stealth great performances. What's the most 2005 thing about this movie, Joanna? The landline on Sandra Bullock that she drops that she falls down the stairs. Oh, landlines. That's really good. My dad still has a landline. Won't give it up.

Oh, does he? Yeah. Interesting. I have no camera phones and unironic racism. Huh. An ironic racism is an enduring legacy, Bill. But yeah, no one filming any of this police stuff. Yeah, if they're doing this in 2025,

somebody's filming something at some point in one of these scenes. Yeah. Yeah. What do you have, man? Smoking in Los Angeles. Oh. Smoking in Los Angeles. Happier times.

People just, he's like, he's just ripping Sigs, going crazy, smoking in Los Angeles, yeah. What's age the best? We mentioned Michael Pena. this is an important McElpena movie movie movie movie. I'm a huge fan of his. I actually wish he was in more stuff. I agree.

I was so fired up when he was in Landman. And then spoiler. And then he was fired up. And then he was literally fired up because they blew him up in one episode. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah. What do you have for what stage is best anything? The MCU.

A lot of MCU peeps in this. Oh. Yeah. Two different roadies. both roadies are in this movie double roadie double roadie Michael Pena Michael Pena I think I wrote them down here The dude who helped Iron Man

Is the Oh yeah yeah yeah Yes yes yes Oh the Persian guy The Persian guy who you're right Who helped Iron Man Yeah so he should win the that guy award I forgot that he was in that

There's another great that guy I asked to But like the guy who helped Iron Man And then Michael Pena Louise So I'm looking at at the movie, and I'm saying all of the MCU people that are in the movie, the MCUs. What did you have for what stage is the best thing, guys?

Indictment of the LAPD, talk to bottom. Yeah, that's age nicely. You know something else about the movie that makes it very 2005? So, the film is actually coming off the worst like criticizing the LAPD now is actually kind of tripe. People don't actually

do it as much as they used to. It's not a top of mind thing anymore. There's still obviously a lot to talk about. But this movie kind of buttons that up a little bit. Like the conversation around the LAPD, the LAPD was by far the most notorious police department in America throughout the 90s. It was a 90s thing that I think people had forgotten about a little bit.

Kind of, yeah. We're bringing it back. Yeah, I will say critique of the health insurance industry. Oh, that's a good WITDAG. That's age the best. Yeah. Just first rewatchable. She's doing great.

We're all in the heat. Really doing great. I have a What's Age the Best because I didn't notice this until I watched this movie twice in six days, the very ending when the car gets rear-ended, that's Shinikwa. Yeah, Loretta Devine, yeah. Yeah. I just, for some reason, didn't notice that. And the insurance guy.

Yeah. That's who? The insurance guy. I know, but who, but who is that, then? Shiniqua. I just never thought I'd hear you. That was a name. Yeah.

It was the character's name. Okay, I know, I'm with it. Shaniqua. Shinikua. Put a little sauce on it. Don't do that. Don't take debate. Don't take debate.

Bill, because he's in American-A-Dade. Bill. I'm not taking your bait. I have Keith David, who I love in every movie. He pops in this one. And just delivers. Yeah.

And just delivers in that one scene. Yeah. I'd say the cast is the West Age is the best for me. Keith-Div is really good. Yeah. Keith-David-Divine is very good. But do you understand, though, that, like, if there's a, this guy is riding high, right?

Because he just won an academy, or he can do whatever he wants. There's a version of this movie. that has more scenes like the Keith David scene, more scenes like the Figner scene, that's not as... You're talking about Huggis riding high off a million-dollar baby. Yeah, what I'm saying is like the movie loses itself and how important it actually thinks that it is. Yeah. Because that scene with him is a perfectly good scene.

I agree. Where a black man in authority is saying, you're not going to fuck this up for me and it can be fucked up. This is what you're going to do. Yeah. This is how we're going to work this around. Like, that works. And that's under, for me, that's under the umbrella of the LAPD indictment because there's like from Keith David to Ryan Philippi and everything in between.

It's just like there's no good corner at the LAPD in this movie. I have one more, what stage is the best? But you guys, if you have anything left, tell me now. No. I like when Sandra Bullock gets a little, gets a little Randy with her movie picks. Yeah. I like angry, angry bitchy Sandra Bullock. Like she did it in a, the blind side was like a totally different character for her.

her. I liked her and what's the movie when she gets gravity? Mm-hmm. I just, I felt like she, like, the seesaw of her with, like, rom-coms versus her pushing herself to, and maybe Hollywood didn't take her seriously as, like, a serious actress, but I think she's a really good actress. Well, she won a Academy Award for the lines of that. Yeah, so the... But I think she just got pigeonholed in this, like, Julia Roberts, Meg Ryan category for, like,

almost two decades. Yeah. And then it finally kind of broke out. out of it a little bit late. But I think she's really good. And then she made it all about Steve and changed it all around for herself. You know what about Steve? I'm pro-bullock is my point.

I like her a lot too. What seems the best is Bullock? Do you know what the funny thing is? You just brought up gravity? That movie's good. It's on the real-lice. People don't talk about. People don't talk about how much I loved and enjoy it.

People don't talk about it. You'll be getting on re-watchable this year. Interstellar is talked about every six weeks for some way. Interstellar is fucking great. Whatever. You don't like Interstellar? No. You don't like, are you a Nolan guy?

Hold on for a second. Just allow me 30 seconds of latitude. I like gravity. I like gravity as well. But you don't fuck with interstellar at all. I haven't watched it since the year it came out. Interesting. You should rewatch it.

That's actually a really good rewatchable. That one gets better every time you watch it. I might sit that one out. What? What about Inception? Do you like Inception? No. Oh, you know like Christopher Nolan.

Never mind. Move on. Inception's too weird. You don't like, you don't like. Memento? Love Memento. Yeah, you're a Memento. Oh, so you're early Nolan.

Yeah, yeah. I love Dark Night. That's kind of Nolan. It's like Nolan. I respect all the Nolan movies. I just like I wouldn't like crank up, oh, let me get an inception on Blu-ray and crank this out. I think Inception is a polarize a movie though.

Yeah. Yeah. So is Interstellar. Yeah. But they're all, I think they're all better the more you watch. I might be wrong on Interstellar. I know I'm not wrong about contact. That's the one where I'm like, that movie sucks.

You'll never convince me otherwise. That movie was bad. Wow. Fickner catching another stray. Yeah. contact. Jody Foster. The Carl Sagan joint about aliens and all that stuff.

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I love having a State Farm commercial on the crash episode. That's great stuff. Great. Great shot order award. Most cinematic shot. I don't have anything here. This is a ugly looking movie. Matt Dillon pulling Newton out of the car?

We can, we can. we can shoehorn that in but this movie is so obviously low budget that they don't really have. This is a screenwriter tried to direct a movie the one like flare is the

sort of like reverse zoom on Michael Pena when he's screaming because he thinks his daughter got shot. Or maybe... I'm going to make Van Rane act that later. Or maybe at the end of Ryan Philippe. Philippe. Ryan Philippe. Ryan

Philippe. And Philippe. Yeah. Like burning the car, which that shot him with the gloves. Taking the gloves off, yeah. Signaling that what Matt Dillon said to him earlier in the movie has already come to

the past. Just wait until you're on the job a little bit longer and it'll interrupt him. Wait a couple hours. Wait a couple hours. Yeah. It happened that night. Do we have a Kid Cuddy Pursuit Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop? There's no music in the movie. Yeah, there's really no music, right? There's a stereophonics maybe tomorrow drop

right at the end, which I like. But there's also, it was nominated for Best Original song, Kathleen York who plays the cop early in the movie, she plays one of the cops early in the movie, her song in the deep plays, and it is the most like we want to be Magnolia

Amy Man moment. Yeah. Okay. But no, but it's bad. Good answer. But you win, though. But it's terrible. Chess Rockwell and Brocklanders a word for best character names. Say it, Bill. Shadiqua.

Yeah. There you go. There you go. you go put a little sauce on that motherfucker Sheneika Johnson. Van, you're up with a flex category. You have to pick any category. I knew you're going to screw this up.

Any category? I'm in my own category. Yeah, that's... Okay. You want to use your own category here? Yeah, right here. Go ahead. Let's hear it.

This is an all-time we-solve racism movie, and I get the top five we solve racism movies of all time. I put it in here. Okay, so I got to figure out what the category name of this is.

Van's historical Go for it. The van-lathen historical take-award? The V impacts, historical impact? Yeah. Top five, we solve racism. Yeah, yeah. Top five white people solve racist moves.

At number five, the blindside. That's where racism loses to athleticism. At number four, a time to kill. Blacks deserve revenge. Are you just doing Senator Bullock movies? No, I mean, they're all, she's been in a lot of them. Right.

Number three, we're all racist, and it's beautiful. Yeah. Number two, the help, or how white women will save us. Yeah. Number one, driving Ms. Daisy, how elderly sexual tension makes a cool Oriole swirl. It's an amazing list.

That's it. I really wanted Miss Daisy to be number one and you didn't disappoint. Yeah. I was really hoping the help would be on there. That's what I was really getting for. The help and Miss Daisy are two movies that after the screenwriters or the playwright finished right in the movie, they went. Yeah.

I did it. We've done it. Well, the help is another one where it's an absurd movie. But the actors are pretty good in the movie. And you feel bad because there's good scenes. It's like this movie. They're like ridiculously good. Yeah, it's like, oh shit, Emma Stone's like really killing it in this.

I was working in a bookstore when that book came out. And this woman that I worked with who was in her like 60s or 70s who worked at the store with me hated the book so much. But people were coming in, white women were coming in by the droves to buy the help. And she was like, oh, the HEP? you want to get the heaps you just call it the hep to their faces and they thought they were mishearing her because she was this older woman and she could just get away with it it's great the butcher's girlfriend award for the weak link of the film

this is tough to narrow it down I have the Persian shop owner because I still have no idea what's going on in that character and what his arc was in this movie this is a not a living commentary well he doesn't realize he has a gun with blanks even though the box says blanks he can't read English

He can't read English. It says blanks. He can't read English. He says that earlier in the movie. Like he can't read his insurance policy. He doesn't read English. Right. And his wife is Diana Troy from Star Trek.

But don't the blank box even say like blanks where it explodes and there's nothing there? No? What are you? Like there's a cartoon of like it's very clear that there's no bullets. It's just blanks. I mean, I didn't see any cartoons on this particular box. Yeah. He shoots a little girl with blanks and then everyone's like, okay, we're going to go inside down.

Well, what do you, if there's a man. If there's a madman on the street with a gun, let's say. They just went back in the house. Who wants some cereal? I mean, they might have called the cops. You don't know what they did when they got them. They don't look like they called the cops.

Honey, you want a Pop-Tart? Yeah. Is that crazy guy still out there? He is. Yeah. Hey, you guys want to watch a movie? It's Christmas, too. This is a Christmas movie.

Oh, it sure is. There's wreaths and Christmas trees everywhere. Yeah. And then it snows and he understood. He couldn't. He could understand it. He could speak it poorly and he could not. read it.

Because pain is like, you need a new door. Fix the lock. You need a new door. And the guy's like, you're trying to, it's absurd. But the language barrier, he's functional enough to be able to run a store. But the language barrier is part of the social dysfunction that's stopping them from understanding each other. But if he's so dysfunctional that he can't understand he needs a new door, how does he run a

store? Like, they make it so that he literally can't understand anything. But yeah, we're expected to believe he's working 40 hours a week running a store. But we got to, we can't do it. He thought an angel saved him. This character sucked. What do you have, Joanna? It's good old Philippe.

Ryan Philippi. A miscasting? A, it's miscast. There's an amazing casting what if for this that we won't say now. I agree. And it would be a lot better with that. But I think he's miscast because Ryan Philippe has, I'm just saying it wrong now. Ryan Philip has a face that I don't trust ever.

I've never trusted him. You want him in cruel intentions. I want him in cruel intentions. I want him as like a, oh, no. No, not him. He shot someone, which is sort of what you're supposed to feel in this moment. And then the turn from that character is... Doesn't make any sense.

It makes no sense. You need a beat between... Or you need to see him visibly shaken from the interaction with Terrence Howard or something like that. There's really no wrong choices with the book this girl. Honestly, it pains me to say this. It's Lorenz tape. Okay. He's miscast.

He's totally miscast. he's playing this so wide-eyed because he's trying to seem younger, but we know him. Yeah. And we know that like he's more senior than this. We remember young Lorenz Tate. We remember

if the O-D.A.R. Lorenz Tate, they tried to recast a dog. It makes a lot of sense. He just doesn't. Like Paul Higgis, the wire is right there. Just crap. You have 20 different good actors. A bunch of people you could have grabbed. Yeah. Actually, you know it's funny. Is J.D. Walker, who plays Bodie in the wire. Yeah.

would have been perfect in that role. They could have had Omar. It could have been. I mean, they could have picked anybody. What's age to worse? Sandra Boat falling down the stairs. This movie won for Best Editing. I encourage people to, if they watch this after,

to watch how bad the editing. It's honestly, like, if we made, like, a Spotify movie about The Ringer, and we just, like, did a quick cut to try to... It's so bad. They must have run out of money for that scene. Two movies named Crash in eight years is just weird. I don't...

I think they're sure. be a rule if I was the movies are. You get a title. You at least get 20 years with the title for the next one. How good or watch does the movie have to be in order to get that title? I think it has to make at least like $5 million. Okay. Yeah.

Did you see the other crash, 96 crash? I saw in the movie theater. That was weird. Let me tell you something. That movie gets after it. That movie gets after it. I remember I had to see it. I remember going to Buffalo Video, Bank of Louisiana.

And like, and renting that movie and a lady at the. at the front going. Judging you. Son, that is a weird movie. And I still had to see it. He has sex. Spader has sex with the cut in her leg. Yeah.

We pitched, we saw pitched in this text exchange a James Spader Freak era, rewatchable series. Rewatchable's month with Spader. Do you know the other crash, Craig? No. Oh, Craig. Oh, my God.

Craig, you got to get dirty. You know what? So we already did 8mm. But what we should have done was Fucked Up Movie Month? Yeah, we should have done 8-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-A-R. Ah, dog, that's a...

That's one that deserves a revival right now. We should just done Crash Month. There are two other movies named Crash? Yep. I bet there are. I'm gonna start taking clips from Crash and just putting them on my Twitter without any content.

I am. That's a crazy movie. This is the new cowboy head. You should have done that after the Luke of Datsch's trade. You should just start making clips of Crash. What are you have for one stage? worst, Joe. The Matt Dylan hero

turn. Easy. The Matt Dylan stuff. And the fact that he's then the only actor nominated for this movie. Have you seen that clip? Well, there's a reason for that though, because Howard that they wanted to push him

for hustle and flow. And I think Howard would have got nominated over there. Yeah, but there's a lot of other great options that's not Matt Dylan. There's this clip that comes around to me every so often of Aubrey Plaza, hosting the Eddie Spirits Award when Black Lansman came out.

And she was like, Adam Driver, congrats on being the only actor nominated for Black Klansman. You're the best one in this movie. And that's what I thought. That's what I saw Matt Dillon was the only actor nominated for Crash. I was surprised Newton didn't get nominated, actually. I thought she was excellent. The image of this movie, the image of this movie, is her clinging to him after the crash.

Yeah. For sure, they played that up and made him. Morewood's the worst. In L.A. were trapped behind Meadow and Glass. You got to crash into someone to feel something. thing. Joanna's like, Joey's going to my move here. This movie's going to get in her head.

Can I tell you? When I first moved to San Francisco, I was walking down the street. This is like right after this movie came out and this guy, and this is going to sound unreal because I recently set on a different podcast about an inception pickup line than a guy tried on me. But I bumped into this guy and he's like, let's crash into each other like the movie. And I was just like literally. Wow.

That is the thing that has happened to me. The San Francisco is freaky. Freaky for like a bunch of freaks. Oh, it's since the same. 60s. Yeah, going for. Weird, freaky place.

Who said, who said something like that? He probably was a vampire. Do you think he was talking about this movie or do you think he was talking about the James Theater movie? It could have been either because it's a car crash situation. Morwood's age to worse. Cheeto calls his girlfriend Mexican and she responds by saying angrily, my mother's from Puerto Rico

and my father's from El Salvador and then he responds by saying, why do all of your people park their cars and their lawns? That's an actual exchange. Well, it's because everyone's racist. Bill, that was where they're like, don't like Don't like Don Cheadle too much. She's got this side too. They're just trying to slide that in there.

Sidebar, can't just throw something in in the movie that also really works? The whole thing with Don Cheadle and his brother and his mother, that's effective. Yeah. Like, that actually is effective how she has the one upstanding son. But for some reason, I don't know how many times you see this, they gravitate towards the fuck-up son. Yeah. And try to, like, protect him. And the whole deal.

She's projecting the sight. It didn't turn out well for the son and it was her fault, but she wants to blame the brother. All of that stuff where she goes, I know it's your fault. I'm blah, blah, blah. See, Dan's talking himself into this movie. I'm not. You keep compliment on that. The canvas whole foods bags.

The canvas whole foods bags. All that stuff. I'm just saying that the movie actually has some talent in it. It just falls under the weight of itself. What else do you have, Joe? That's it. Okay. The Ruffalo Han and Rubeneck Partridge overacting Award.

Ooh, this is a good one. I hate to give it to Michael Pena, but the 10 seconds scream, what is happening? Why is it so long? It's just weird. I think it actually kind of works on him in a way, unfortunately,

doesn't work for the wife character who we literally don't know. Yeah. Because she gets a really long, like, no, like a platoon. It's not his fault. It's the editing. By the way, that wife character,

I don't know the actresses' name. That's a classic, that girl. Yeah, I don't even know what her name is. But 187, I think stand to deliver, maybe dangerous minds, a bunch of different movies. What do you have for that category? Van's going to get mad at me. What? But I think it's Beverly Todd as Mrs. Waters, says Don Cheadle's mom.

Oh, interesting. Okay. You're going to get mad at me. I think it's, how you say your name? Pendui? Tedui Newton. It's Tandui Newton. The scene where she's crying and telling them that he lost his dignity.

in the thing. She has a cry thing that she does. She's supposed to be drunk, I think, is part of it. Are you talking about the one more when she comes to his... Well, she comes to his job. Oh, after. I agree. I don't like that scene. I think the bedroom fight is good.

The bedroom fight is good. But she has a cry thing that she does. Her cry is like overpower. Ugly cry. Ugly cry that she does. Joe, you have a flex category. What do you got? Oh, I am stealing...

In honor of House of Ar, I'm stealing the Mallory Rubin Award, did this movie need a better or an additional sex scene? Oh, that's so great. That's a great one. I'm sure I'd be so pleased. And I'm going to say we deserve to see Brennan Fraser, Nona Gay, have sex. When Sitterbogg calls him at the end.

When Sitterbull it calls him at the end. Hard R. Yeah. But there's R and there's Hard R. It's like Borderline NC17. You know, that was something I never knew was a thing. What? Hard R.

I heard somebody say hard R for a movie. Hard R's a thing. You can't sit. But if you say hard R in a movie. that's about race. I agree. I just didn't know hard R was ever a way to describe an R-rated movie. Interesting.

Soft R, hard R. Soft R. Yeah, I didn't know that. So you just wanted him to knock some boots. Well, I just think when Senator Bullock calls at the end and she's like, I fell down and he's like,

your friend's a bitch. Right. He should have been having sex with her rather than just like glancing at her at the elevator. And, you know, if they cut in, I don't want to direct the scene, but if they cut to him, like, in the middle and he's all, he's out of breath. He grabs the phone. Huh? Right? Yeah.

That's what's what big. Like in the wire or in any of these other? Or they do the eternal affairs where it starts with him and it scales back. Yeah, and then you find out that he's having sex. Good one. Mal would have been honored. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford How to Take Award. I already gave mine.

I think Bolick's character was the original Karen. You guys disagreed. Did you have a how to take for this? No, she's the... I think it's the first Karen. I think it's like the Neil Armstrong of Cairns. Right. I think there's a really good short film in here.

that's just the ludicrous scenes. Chris Bridges, our guy. Gave it back to Oprah, edited it out. Never heard from again. Just put together the ludicrous monologues, and I would re-watch. That's re-watchable. He's good.

They could have, the movie needed more ludicrous, for sure. You have a hottest take or keep in it with me? My only hottest take is this is the least effective, effective anti-slavery movie I've ever seen. Okay. At the end, certainly not hot. At the end, he literally free slaves. He literally free slaves. He gives him $40.

$40. No mule. And a mule. No mule. Oh, interesting. He gives him $40. He gives him. He gives him.

He tells him he's completely racist to them. And at the end, you all really feel good about it. You see a guy sink down, like, on the street, and you're like, he's just going to stay there. He's just going to stay there. He's going to be there in perpetuity. Were they trying to say something with one of them goes to a video store and sees all the choices for movies? Is that like hitting us with something? Story has the ability to transport and change us, Bill.

He's looking at all the MCU where it's going. Casting what ifs. Yeah. A couple good ones. Forrest Whitaker was supposed to play the Terrence Howard role, but the film and got the lady dropped out. I thought the Cheetaheel rule. Is the Howard role? I have Terrence Howard, but it was one of them.

Cusack was attached to Matt Dillon, had to drop out. And then the big one is Heath Ledger was supposed to be Ryan Fulipe. and dropped out. And this is kind of a different movie if he's in it. I mean, he makes great by Mountain instead. So good for him. But, yeah, I think Keith Ledger, I mean, I actually have different casting ideas for that role,

but I think Keith Ledger is a huge improvement in the Ryan-Philippe role. That character still needs one more scene, at least, to get where he gets. Could it be like a Monsters Ball cop, Heath Ledger performance? Wow, Monsters Ball. I haven't thought about that a long time. I like Josh Hartman. on the rewatchable. It's, it's,

well, there's certain reasons why it's rewatchable. But it, but it, that's on the, Josh Hardin could have played that young cop. You know what? When you said the John Cusack thing, he should have done it.

No, Qusack isn't the Dylan role would have been great. It would have been fantastic. Genuinely great. Like, legitimately great. I don't know that I've ever seen a play a role like that. Like, he's trying to be bad guys a couple times.

But not that kind of. Not like that. I think seeing him like that would have been, would have been super awesome. I think QSack would have been, I think of the, those three. He Fledger's like sort of the big one, but I think QSAC is the stealth. This would have been a much better movie with QSack and the Matt Dillon role.

So best that guy, it's the guy from Ironman. That's a great one. You know who I have? Who else did you have? Jack McGee. As the gun store owner. That's mine. That's mine. Yeah. I looked at a CV. This guy usually plays cops. And here are some of his character names that he's played. Detective, Sheriff, Deputy, the Chief. There's so many roles he's played that it's just like the name of the rank of the police officer. I remember him from Scrooge. Yes. You can barely see them nipples. Scrooge is my favorite Christmas movie.

You can't have your scrooge. You can better see them nipples. Fickner used to be that guy, but then it became one of the Fickner. He did too much good work. Keith David was also of that guy for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's probably somewhere in the 90s it flipped. I think it changed with something about Mary.

Yeah. D.N. Waiter's a word. Jennifer Esposito is eligible. Probably, yeah. She's great in this movie. Yeah, she is. I always liked her. I never understood why.

They just didn't have anything for her to do. I always felt like there was a better career for her. They just didn't have enough for her to do. Every time she's obviously gorgeous, she's talented. Yeah. They just didn't have enough for her. She's dope. Like, there was no series for her.

There were not a lot of parts for. There was like a feisty police woman series that she should have been on CBS for eight years. It's not too late for Jennifer Esposito. That could have been like, whatever that when they started spinning off CSI, Miami, all those. It could have been like CSI wherever and just she's the lead.

Dan Waiters, one more, the guy who runs the chop shop. Do you want to forget him? When he says, he's my pick. And when he says, do I look like I want to be on the Discovery Channel? Right. Loved it. Love that guy.

I like that guy. And also, I would say the woman at the locksmiths who like will not give up Michael Pena's name who's just like smoking and over it and snatching her chair and wearing all the eyeliner. I really liked her, too.

I was trying to remember the relationship that Jennifer Esposito was in. Eddie Murphy, right? Early? No, she was married to Bradley Cooper. But she dated Eddie Murphy in like the 80s.

Oh, did she? Yeah. Interesting. I didn't know that. Bradley Cooper. 2006. A lot of choices for Bradley Cooper. Yeah.

Recasting couch director of City. Joe has something. For, um... Okay. on the Ryan Philippi role. Yeah.

Mad Damon. Oh, almost like departed type of character. Yeah. Departed. Is he too old? No, he's the exact same age as Ryan Philippe.

I looked up actress that was the same age as Ryan Philippe. It's the same age. This is the year he made Euro Trip and Ocean's 12. Yeah, he's available. Euro Trip,

greatest can be of all time. Also, additionally, Toby McGuire, Casey Affleck. Casey Affleck. That's a good. Casey Affleck works. That's a good one. Yeah. I think Josh Hardinett works too, but Casey Affleck works.

I don't think Josh Hartnett is good enough. As an actor? Not at that. I like late stage. Late stage Hardin. I have a director for the recasting. Quentin Tarantino's crash would be unbelievable. Oh, brother, inwards, bro. Three hours and 30 minutes.

It would have been amazing. You just wanted to see Sandy's feet more than when she fell down the stairs. This movie would have gone down the end. N-word path, bro. He can't do it, Doc. Spike Lee's crash would have been interesting. Spike Lee's crash would have been. A lot of crane shots, you know what I mean, of people, you know, some jazz.

But Quinn Tarantino's crash is going to be. Spike Lee's crash? Noone Gay is having sex with Brennan Frazier. That's what I'm saying. Five in the first 20 minutes. Of course. Thank you for not doing, I recast Crash in Boston doing it. I was dreading that monologue.

Thank you for not doing it. We're just going to keep moving. Crash is Boston. No. I'm not letting you do it. No, moving on. Half S. Research.

Crash first Best Picture winner to be released on Blu-ray. Interesting. June 2006. Fun facts. Haggis had a heart attack during the last part of the filming.

Yeah. Miss the week. He was like, it's just so good. Yeah. I'm just making my masterpiece. We need, this movie needs me. People have to see this.

In 2015, hollered reporter, they found a bunch of the Oscar voters, and that's what would you do if you had to do this over again? Brokeback Mountain one convincingly. And then, I didn't really understand how this went. I'm just going to read what's written down. Newton wore a special protective underwear for the assault scene because Haggis wanted to look real from the camera's perspective for Matt Dillon to go there. I'm going to guess no intimacy coordinator in this movie? Yeah, it's a wild stuff in the dark.

What kind of underwear are we talking about? How special is that underwear, right? Like, are we, is it like... I don't know what to make it like. Well, they have like the modesty stuff that they wear, right? Yeah, but he's like, he's really up in there. Yeah. You have anything else?

Are you envisioning like the metal chastity belt from Robin Hood men and teeth? I'm sorry. I shouldn't laugh. That wasn't funny that Joe said that. But when she said, he said, he's... He's really up in there. He was. I tried an audience of the redwashers.

I'm like, how protective can that underwear be? What does she talk? It would almost have to be like an adult diaper with like seven different panties. I think it has to be like the metal chassis belt from Robin and Men in Tights. Like I think you need something a barrier. Apex Mountain. Oh, shit. I'll just keep reading stuff until you tell me if it was anybody's apex mouth.

Sandra Bullock, Brandon Frazier, L.A. Race relations, undercover cops shooting each other. Terrence Howard, there's a case because Hustle and Floo came out the same year. Oh, well, that moment, yeah, for sure. 2005, this is Apex Mountain. I don't know, Empire Season 1. That's pretty, he was pretty big. He was a big star on TV.

Yeah. Maybe. Yeah, so, yeah, that's pretty big. Bigger than Hustle and Flo? Best actor nomination, Hustle of Flow is pretty tough to be. Matt Dillon, no. St. Christopher statues? I don't have a lot of experience.

Human trafficking? Probably not. Don Cheadle know. Michael Pena, no. Rand Felipe? What would be his apex mom? It's growing attention. Don Dewey Newton? No.

No. What is her apex man? West Rome. Wasn't she in the first Mission Impossible movie or one of them? She's Missing Impossible. Two. the worst one. Lorenz Tate, no.

Ludacris. It's one of the fast movies. I don't know which one. It's Paul Haggis's. Jennifer Esposito now. No, it's Paul Hagus is Apis. It's Paul Hagus. Paul Hageus, definitely, yes.

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Hanks kills as Brendan Fraser's character. Kills. Would love to see Hanks in that morally gray. If you have Hanks, you've got to have sex scene. Would love to see him. Is Hanks ever had sex in a movie other than Forrest Gump? I can't think of one. I think of it.

I think of it. Hombie class. Can I test drive Tom Cruise and the Matt Dillon character for you guys? I want Cruz in this because if we're doing Magnolia methadone, we might as well go all the way. And I also think you need coquier energy in the way. this L.A. movie. Tom Cruise helping out the dad, you get the Magnolia angle yet again

with like Tom Cruise's weird dad issues, but then angry, like evil, Tom Cruise is the cop, but then Tom Cruise trying to save somebody from a fire. I mean, my vote's Cruz. I say Cruz. Is this the weird movie where you could put Cruz and Hanks in it together?

Yeah, you probably could. Hanks could be Brandon Frasier. But that's not the category. I mean, certainly not at this time in his career. Hanks doesn't belong here. I don't think. You don't think so. Cruz? I like Cruz in this. This movie is kind of like a Magnolia type movie.

You could even just get Cruz's character from Magnolia, jam him into this movie. Because you could also put Cruz in the William Fickner character, just have him come in for one scene coming in high. If it's a church of Scientology joint, why not invite Tom Cruise? Yeah, where was it? It's true. How is he not in this? Can I say something about the Cruz thing now? He works in Magnolia, but then there are other big ensemble, one scene movies where he doesn't work.

Like, he totally ruined Lions for Lambs? like he was terrible in that. That movie kind of sucked. That movie sucked anyway. He's not the reason that movie. There were other reasons, too. That was a great script. I read that script and thought that movie was going to win 10 Austin.

We forgot to do Apex Mountain for Church of Scientology. I think this is. 2005. Hagenz wins the Oscar. Cruz is jumping on Oprah's couch. Yeah. Lose free. Oprah Lose free. Another Oprah mistake.

Yeah. Just so that you know. Is that Oprah's fault, though? I'm just saying she was part of the hard launch of that whole deal. Another mistake. By the way, anytime the Scientology thing is mentioned, it's black money. Scorsese or Spielberg? Martin Scorsese is crash.

This is great. This is a movie Spielberg would have tried to take on, though. I feel like he easily could have, I could see him doing it. It's a little edgy for him. But that's the thing. It's like safe edgy. But yeah, Scorsese is the answer thing. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

One best actor. this year too. He did for Capote. I'd throw him in the Matt Dillon role as well. I think he'd do it. I'd like to see evil cop Philip Seymour Hoffman. Let me tell you something though. If he's in it, it's the redemption part

doesn't work as well. Because he's going to play it's going to be... Was Matt Dillon actually redeemed in this movie? I guess we could talk about it later. The movie thinks he is. The movie thinks he is. But if he's in the role, Philip Seymour Hoffman is going to be so loathful

and he's going to play it so well It would be funny if he played it like talented Mr. Ripley, Freddie. How's the peepin, Tommy? I think in the Fickner role, in his like Charlie Wilson's War mode Just coming in hot, Wilson. The Van Lathen Award, did this movie need more black people? Perfect. Nope. We're good.

Pickin'nets, can't wait. Wow. Where do you begin? I just wrote, oh God, all of them. I don't know how you pick nits inside of this movie. What are your... Bill Simmons' top 10 nitpicks of crash. I know she's a horrible person, but you just start screaming with the locksmith like 40 feet away.

She's mad. Nobody does that. She's angry. Nobody does anything that they do in this movie. Nobody would ever do that. There are no human being behaviors in this movie. Matt Dillon runs into Thandui Newton twice in like three days.

Yeah, and Ryan Philipy runs... And then it just happens to be there when she has a car crash in Los Angeles. Ryan Philipie runs into Terrence Howard. I have that later. Ryan Philippi happens to... Pick up Don Chino's brother. LA's a gigantic city.

You could literally go... You could go ten years without seeing the same person again. And not... Like, how many times did you ever... By the way, the only time I ever run into somebody I know was when I random see you walking down the street. Well, that's easy. I'm walking everywhere.

He's always, I'm always walking. We're sitting down and tell, and my brother goes, yo, was that you? I was like, yeah, he just, he walks, bro. But he's on a Zoom. But, but you could literally go 10 years without, like, randomly running into somebody. If you're not at a function, just like, out somewhere.

But that's the disease of this kind of movie. The vignette, everything's connected movie. Yeah. The, like, fable. It's only really worked once. Magnolia. Well, I guess, it's twice then. What's your other one?

Playing by heart with Angelina Joey. That movie's fucking awesome. No one knows about that movie except for me. Ryan Phillips is in that movie. Dennis Quartz in that movie. It all comes together in the end. It's like, whoa, they all know each other. Gina Rollins.

Sorry, spoiler. Great Gina Rollins movie. 27 years old. There's a monologue about dancing about architecture in that movie. It's a good movie. Oh, my God. John Stewart's in it? Literally, I don't know anyone else who's ever.

Saw it. It would just be me and Joe and rewatchable. Just two of us. Rewatchable is playing by heart. Let's do it. Wouldn't Matt Dillon just let her die in the car? In real life, probably. But remember, he's...

He's like, oh, shit, this is the lady who could probably get me kicked off the force and in a five-year lawsuit. I should just kind of let her go. There's another version of this movie where he runs up to her and he sees her. He looks around. And he, like, dropped a cigarette. Yeah, dropped the mask. Oh, yeah.

That's a better movie. A better movie. Better movie. She's catching it. She's why he's just walking away. Yeah. That's a better movie. So when Terrence Howard gets carjacked and drives off,

and the cops see something happening, right? And then they decide what something's happened to the car. They chase it. Chase it to this driveway where he's driving erratically. They don't walk toward the car. They don't check out. Make sure nobody else is in the car. Well, Luda is slouching.

Yeah. I'm just, I'm just how police work goes. It's a felony stop at that point. You're... So on a felony stop... You're at least putting them in handcuffs for two minutes and you're at least checking to see if anyone else is in the car. Oh, no. You're talking about after.

Yeah, when they have them... When Ryan Felipe comes in... When Luda... When Luda is slouching in the front seat... Yeah. They're checking the car. Well, hold on. But Ryan Phillip is like, let's just walk away from that. Well, at the beginning...

At the beginning of it, you're not checking... These guys are policemen. At the beginning of it, you're not checking the car. You're on a felony stop. You have to neutralize... him first. You ever been? You haven't, obviously.

I'm saying once they neutralize him, you're still checking the car. You're going to go check the car, but they hadn't ever really neutralized them because he was still walking. It's an absurd scene. He was advancing towards them. So, like, they're going to be like, they go, get out the car, get out the car, get out the car, get out the car. You get out the car, whatever, whatever.

But like, they're going to deal with him first before they go check the other side of the car. He wouldn't even sit down on the curb. Right. They weren't doing anything. Don Chito gets into a car accident, right where his brother had just been killed? What are the ads of that? One in a cajillion? I think he was supposed to show up to that

scene. And gets in the car. As in the car accident. All right. The white van just has keys in it for 12 hours. Nobody just takes it. Sure. The Chop Shop guy knew exactly what to do in an unexpected human trafficking situation. He just knows how to sell people.

Not his first rodeo. Is this a real human being? I would think hold out. I'm going to call Al. Wait a minute. He's like, first of all, their tire Cambodian, secondly. Yeah, he knows the whole deal. I would think that he would be like,

I mean, he didn't want the heat of the blood spatter from earlier, but he wants the heat of selling the human beans. Sounds great. Yeah. So I would think he would have been even more freaked out. But he wasn't. He got all fucking. I think he knows what he's doing.

Thomas Jefferson with the shit. Are chapshap guys? Secretly the most evil people in the planet? That's one of the lessons from Crash. They're actually supposed to be kind of cool. That's what I thought. Yeah. Any other nitpicks?

No, just the whole movie. Sequel prequel prestige TV, all black castor Untouchable. We mentioned earlier. It became a stars TV show in 2008. I think there's a prestige version of this show that you could try to make. I wouldn't want to watch it. But I think it makes more sense in that context than a movie. I think it's untouchable but not the way you usually is untouchable on this show.

True. You could orient. It's touchable. It's touchable. You could orient a prestige show around the case that Don Cheadle was on, right? Yeah. Around that case, like, with the dirty cop and the whole deal and the machinations within, like, City Hall. And then it could spread out from there, then to the DA, then to his brother.

It would have to be a black showrunner. Yeah. The sequel to this is the hunt for Ryan Philippe, right? Is Ryan Philipie going back to work? He burned his car. Is he going to Mexico? He's going back to work. He's going back to work.

Yeah, he's got to go back to work. So Don Cheadle's looking for the murderer of his brother who is on the force. All of that. That's part of the show. Core Jefferson's Crash. But it's a comedy? Yep. Oh.

After he does entourage, he does it. Guess what? He does an entourage. He does it. Guess what? It's already a comedy. Crash is already a comedy. He just does it.

It's like when Gus Van Sant and Psycho as a shot by shot remake. Core just does a shot by shot. Yeah. Gave-Bron. What is he doing? Is this movie better? Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Dorisberg, Sam Jackson, no, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins.

Tony Romo, Harley, Hayes, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm? The question is, how is Danny Treo not in this fucking movie? He must have been filming another movie. It's so L.A., crimey. Like, how has he not in it? They didn't find anything for him in this anywhere. Wilford Brimley, in the firm, in the Fickner Roll.

Because there's that whole scene in the firm where he's, like, showing Tom Cruise, the incriminated photos of him, the dossiers. You know what that's going to mean, Cheetah? Heartbreak. I think Wayne Jenkins is the Matt Dillon. We won't do it, Wayne Jenkins' impersonation without CR. But Wayne Jenkins and the Matt Dillon role would have been pretty interesting.

You don't want to try? No. Okay. Do you want to say Cheniqua again? No. Just won Oscar who gets it. I mean, it got three Oscars, but I think in retrospect, I'd probably say Terence Howard for best supporting actors.

actor. If I had to give an Oscar. I would say Terrence Howard. What about Ludacris as a nomination? That would be really fun. It would be really fun for Louie. That fast seven, he got robbed. Luda on the award circuit. It would have been great.

Probably in answerable questions. If this movie had a black director but was the exact same movie, what happens? And a serious rewrite of the screenplay? I'm saying it's the exact same movie. Exactly same movie. Every single. moment is the same, but the director's Black would have been. I'm telling you, man. It would have been...

Oh, it doesn't get any Oscars. Yeah. They'd run him out of time. It would have been... He or she would have just gotten destroyed from all sides. Any other in answerables? How did this movie be broke back mountain? I guess that's not really the question of the category. I think that had more to do it. Brokeback Mountain and where the country was in 2005. Yeah. That's it.

And the Academy specifically. Yeah. In old white. dudes who were probably 70 to 80% of the vote at this point? I'll say something about Brobeck Mountain is Broback Mountain didn't, Broback Mountain went for it. When you were in the theater watching Brobeck Mountain, that actually made me read the short story after.

When you were in the theater watching Brobeck Mountain, Broback Mountain didn't make that story for consumption with people that would be uncomfortable with any of the, and not even just the sex. the love and the affection between the two men. Roeback Mountain said either you're ready for it or you're not, and they weren't quite ready. It doesn't seem...

We're probably doing it this year for rewatchables. It doesn't seem as crazy now when you're watching as it did in 2005 that there was a mainstream movie that was going for some of the stuff it was going for. Now it's like 20 years later, it's like, of course they made this movie. Well, it's mostly I think that like Gillen Hall and Ledge are... But like, Angley wins best director. It's not... It's not inconceivable that it wins.

Best Picture. I think it was really really close. I think that's why everybody was shocked. I think it was a heavy favorite. Yeah, no. It's just like if it's going to lose. Now if you're redoing Oscars, it's one of the first ones you redo. But like, if it's going to lose to anything, that it loses to crash.

What else was nominated that year? Well, there was, Munich was nominated that year. Capote. Capote. Capote was the other one. Yeah. And then Good Night, Good Luck, which is not a good movie. So not an incredibly strong. Yeah, it was a bad movie here. Yeah, it was a bad movie here.

No. But, Burmody. brokeback should have won. It's crazy that I didn't win. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? It's probably the fortified underwear would be my pick for the not one. Game worn, fortified underwear. No, thank you.

You don't think Tendui and Newton kept that? Probably dumped that one. The St. Christopher's statue. I don't say the St. Christopher's statue. Yeah. The most notable thing. Coach Finstock wore, Best Life Lesson. Everyone's a racist.

But also Everyone's not a racist You can be racist You can be a redeemable racist Yeah Everyone is a little bad But everyone is a little We're all like pizza

How about? How about public transportation It's not so bad It's better than getting a car With Ryan Filthy Yep Good point Yeah

Best double feature choice What do you have, Joe? 25th hour Oh interesting Interesting one Wow You know, that movie has the, like, hyper-racist rants from all the characters inside of it, but it's like, we did this better. This is how spiked it, you know, so.

Grand Canyon. Come on. That's a great line. No, that's honestly, that's the answer. I was going to say American History, actually, but this is, great canyon's perfect. Grand Canyon. Because that's like the previous generation situation of this movie. The kind of same version.

Oh, we took a wrong turn coming back from the Laker game. Oh, my God. That movie's funny too I still fuck with Grand Canyon I kind of like the kid I know everybody She finds a baby I know everybody hates it

Mary MacDonald finds a baby Yeah That's amazing It's our baby I'll fuck with Grand Canyon Who won the movie I guess Paul Haggis Yeah Paul Haggis

Mm-hmm And we all Collectively lost I think As a culture Craig had you ever seen this movie No I've never been more honest I had heard about it

certainly so you knew you were a little prejudiced by what you had heard yeah i thought this was like the best movie i've seen in 10 years i'm completely lying oh i'm about the same bro what the shit no no you know that meme that's like my expectations were low but holy fuck yeah that is how i felt i thought this would at least have something i could kind of grab onto i thought this was a horrible movie what was the worst part of this horrible movie for you uh honestly how unsubtle it is and how lack of nuance there is. Just, I don't know, shocking, at 2005. Maybe that was a terrible time.

You know, what's funny is I do think the movie, if it were to come out now, I kind of think it would still be really successful. I think this movie would still make a lot of money amongst a certain crowd. Because it's kind of like if a Facebook post was a movie. Like, there's that kind of Facebook pseudo-intellectual, like, warped sediment bullshit that I think a lot of people would like.

It didn't even make a lot of money then. It didn't even make a lot of money then. Well, it made like 100 million. No, it made like 100 million under six. I mean, that's crazy. Oh, yeah. Like, relative to the budget. But, like, we used to live in a society where we watched more movies.

But who is watching this movie now? Everybody's on Facebook. Craig, the movie would come out and, like, we would go apes shit. It would end careers. It was like, we, like, people, like, movies, queen and slip, like, any movie that delves into this that doesn't do it authentically now is held up in such detest. You couldn't make it with any of the big names or anything like that, but what was that movie that came out a couple years ago,

that religious movie that did really well? Talking about God's not dead. No, it was about the sound of freedom. Sound of freedom. Oh, yeah. You're talking about something different, though. Yeah, but I think there's like, it's like there's a world in which it catches fire in that way because of that kind of side of society.

Wasn't Sound of Freedom the one that they like astroturfed the theaters, though, that like people weren't actually seeing that. that they were just mass buying tickets to make it seem like people were seeing the pay-it-forward model. Also, mass church groups, mega-churches, would get their people and take their people to go see the movie after church.

But to be honest with you, I might make one of those. Those movies do well. I'm being for real. I might make one of those. What is your mega-church scam movie called, man? Ooh, that's a good one. Yeah.

Oh, you know what it is? He won't be making a Scientology movie. We've learned that during this pod. Nothing. They blacked his fish. Yeah, black my face out of the kid. Mine is going to be about a prosperity preacher, like a black prosperity preacher that preaches kind of like leap of faith. It's a shadow remake of leap of faith with Steve Martin. It's about a black prosperity preacher that's actually just trying to get money, but then something happens. And he really catches the spirit. Right? He really catches the spirit. And then I'm going to put all of the people in it. He's David going to be in my shit. And we're going to put all of the people in it, and then we're just going to go church to church to church, running it up.

I can't believe every actor. It's called The Price of Heaven. I can't believe every actor read the script and was like, yeah, this is an awesome choice for me in my career right now. Craig, I guarantee you, they were so thrilled. I know, I bet. I really think it's hard to overstate how weird 2005 was. Just as a stretching society.

I could see how in the moment, if you're an impressionable young person and you go see this movie, like your 10-minute regret thing. I could even see it being like a year-long regret. I'm surprised Ebert didn't walk it back because he usually does when he has bad takes. But you can see how in the moment somebody could walk away being like, this felt important.

But just put it in context, okay? So post-9-11, we are dealing with a lot of, like 9-11 was almost, it was the big, it wasn't the beginning of online, it was the beginning of this really harsh approach to discourse. Tribalism. Yeah, to where we're like really litigating all the idiosyncrasies between us and all of that stuff like that. This movie deals in that.

Then you have like the Bush era where we thought we were divided. We weren't even nearly as divided as we are now. It was actually a movie perfect for its time in a way to look at the L.A. I thought 9-11 in some ways brought people a little closer. It did. And then Tom Brady and the Patriots started winning Super Bowl. That brought people closer. It did.

But it gave people license to say, I feel like it gave people license to say things that they weren't saying in the 90s. You know what I mean? Like, we went through a phase in the 90, the political PC culture, right? And then 9-11 happened and it just sort of let the lid off of a lot of things. It's happening a little bit again right now. Right. But then also remember that like by the time 2005 comes, we're just beginning to sort of

re-examine all of the stuff. Well, but the OJ verdict starts it, right? The way everybody reacted to the OJ verdict was illuminating. in a lot of different ways, and that kind of led to her. But then by the late 90s, I don't know, it felt like things had...

Oh, we were... You know why? Could be kind of moved on. You know why? Why? Because everybody was getting money. Yeah. We were having fun.

And then... And then everybody... It's like, oh shit. Everybody... Bill Clinton, party president. Party president. Party president. We were having fun.

Fucking in-sink, backstreet boys. Everybody was having a good time. The economy was good. Everybody was having fun. And then stuff starts to happen. And we start to go, oh, okay. Joe Francis, girls were going wild. Right.

2 a.m. 2 a. 2 a.m. We're in South Padre Island, Texas. Wrestling was the best that's ever been. Wrestling, the attitude era. The 90s was fun. The 90s was hell of fun.

Nothing better than the 90s. The movies were great. Nothing better than 90s. The music was amazing. You'd love the late 90s, Greg. We, like, internet was starting. Internet was just starting. It was a great.

It was a great. Was the other a mistake? The what? Was the internet a mistake? It was inevitable. Yeah, it was inevitable. That's what we're saying about AI right now. I thought the Cambodian children part, I was like, all right, we've gone one step too far.

We didn't need that. That's what broke you. I was like, what do we do? Craigman almost almost all the movie and then broke him. Cambodian children and women in it. I'm like, all right, Paul, come on here. Another reason why everybody did it is because of Paul Higgis. He was like, million dollar baby.

Also, I love that the only character he didn't redeem was the store owner, the Persian guy. Like, he didn't redeem, like, he was just like, oh, God saved me for killing this little girl. I think he had as much of redemption as Matt Dillon where they're just sort of like Christmas in L.A. But Huggis tried to redeem Matt Dillon, even though it was ridiculous. Like, you didn't even try to redeem. What was the redemption for the store of? They're getting rid of the gun. Yeah.

And he's, he's not going to go shoot people in the street anymore. to kill me. He killed him. He killed a kid, bro. I don't care. He did it. He guilty. 100%.

That's a, that's a charge. See, that shot is also, the two shots they use in the promotion of this, like when you're Googling this movie, is the, is the Tandy Newton in Matt Dillon's arms. And then Michael Payne's dream. Yeah. Crash coming Friday. I would watch Amelia Perez 20 times in a row before I watch Crash again. Actually, to be honest with you, Amelia Perez is kind of the crash of it today.

Similar similarities Except we We took a turn before it won best picture Here's a question for you We sure did Watching this movie Did you think you were watching The kind of movie where like

The kid is gonna die I did think the kid was gonna die Or like it's a different Experience rewatching crash I actually I hadn't seen it in a long time Like Terrence Howard gets out I thought Michael Payne died in the movie That was my memory of it

Oh yeah When he didn't die I was like oh I forgot The first time Terrence Howard gets out of the car with a gun the back of his belt, you're like something terrible is getting like that. Yeah, yeah. The painting scene was nerve-wracking. I was going to be really

Yeah. Craig liked the movie. No, it's just but then you re-watch it knowing the girl's going to be safe. Terence Howard's going to be safe and you're just sort of like, well, it's just Lawrence Tate and we don't really care. This movie won't best picture. I'm telling you, man, I don't know what movie I'd rather watch than, or I wouldn't rather watch than this. Like the room

Tommy Wiso, I would watch that. Well, that's just fun. I would watch anything over this. Yeah. Liz came in halfway through and it's like, what is going on? Every five minutes, this is just like ridiculously over-the-top racist interaction. Yeah. Yeah, that's Crash. That was the rewatchables.

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