The Rewatchables - ‘Die Hard With a Vengeance’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan are called back to action to play a lethal game of Simon Says. The guys put down their five-gallon jugs and cover the 1995 action classic ‘Die Hard With a Vengeance,’ starring Bruce Willis, Samuel L. Jackson, and Jeremy Irons. Producers: Jack Sanders and Ronak Nair Shopping. Streaming. Savings. It’s on Prime Visit Amazon.com/prime to get more out of whatever you’re into. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Detective John McLean, parentheses, Bruce Willis, is now divorced, alcoholic, and jobless after getting fired for his reckless behavior and bad attitude. That's the first sentence.

Reckless, divorced, and an alcoholic and no job injected into my veins. The quadruple crown. When is it ever not worked? In real life? It's like, yeah, having the birthday party,

John McLean's coming over. Don't let him drive. In a movie, he can just diffuse a terrorist attack and it's fine. Yeah,

in real life, John's getting drunk at the birthday party, whipping out his 9mmeter. Like, you know, look at it, boom,

boom, but in the movie, it's perfect. Has John McLean ever come to a birthday party not covered in grease in blood wearing a tank top?

In real life, John McLean is hanging out with the guy who was killed that led to the Karen Reed trial. Oh, he's on the third floor.

Wait, it's like, it is literally on her. 10 seconds. It's like, oh, no, John McQuaid's here. Oh, he's getting into it with John O'Keefe.

He's texting his buddies being like, make sure you plant the evidence. How long does it take a body to freeze? Anyway, John McQueen in movies, it's fine. Yeah. His life really fell apart. Here's my first question. Let's start here before we get in the movie.

So John McLean saves the Nakatomi building, prevents an incredible terrorist attack and then doubles down and saves everybody in the airport in Chicago. Yeah. How is this guy not at least Captain Sully at this point? I mean, this is... What else did he have to do?

Do you think that this is one of the greatest testaments to the power of the internet to create celebrities out of nothing? I mean, to be fair, this guy would have a documentary made about him in 2000 or whatever. Certainly. Yeah. What is his, in real life,

If you do those two things, what are your next 30 years look like? I feel like you have a time. Like you're at least, what was that guy, John Walsh, the America's Most Wanted guy? You're at least hosting a show like that, just getting massive paychecks. Do you have a morning talk show? You probably do. You know, Fox News is starting to bubble at that time. He's probably got a show on there.

He's there law enforcement guy. But you have to remember. He's smoking on Fox News. He's him and Bill O'Reilly. We're bringing John McClain to tell us. But you have to remember, also this was the era of, remember, Eddie Murphy left, Axl Foley left Detroit and went and basically solved two gigantic capers. Right. But he was outcast.

Right. So maybe they look at John McLean as somebody who went against the grain too much by saving people's lives in Los Angeles. Yeah. It should have been done it. It was out of his jurisdiction. You saved us too much money and too many lives. Right. Isn't this actually, we could really map this out?

all of the sequels find our favorite characters in a place in their lives you'd never guess. Like, how is Pete Mitchell not at least Chuck Yeager by Top Gun Maverick? Instead, he's like, I'm fixing old planes. No, you would be probably like, he would be on the cover of a Wheaties box. Yeah, would have, like Val Kilmer

would have happened to him with Iceman should have at least happened with Maverick. But see, that is, I guess, why our protagonists are our protagonists? Because they're complicated. Right. They're complicated and flawed in a lot. way that keep them in the bubble that we need them to be in to make the movies work.

All right. Counter. Captain Sully, random pilot, lands the plane in the water. That's it. They make a Tom Hanks movie about him. That's one of the things with these movies. Nobody makes a movie about John McLean. Yeah.

That actually would have been a better Die Hard 3. Is them making the John McLean movie about Die Hard 1 and then there's a terrorist life? I'll take it a step further. Why can't Holly move back from Los Angeles? Yeah. Has this guy not been through it? through enough. That's one of my picking nits. I will say something about Sully, though,

is that actually happened in real life. So he actually saved, like, actual, like, 200 people. Yeah. So, John McLean is a fictional character, so noted. So Sully's celebrity actually comes from actually... But this is what happens in real life if somebody does something like that.

Right. Are you sure? It should have happened. John McLean's at least doing $75,000 speaking gigs all over the world about the The two times you saved the world. If this was a contemporary story, what would happen is John McLean would do this. We would all get like, God damn, this is really what we need for America right now. And then somebody would discover his weird Facebook posts from 2021.

We're like, I'm not wearing a fucking mask. And we'd be like, no, John McClain is not allowed to even be a security guard. In-word tapes with Zeus is one of my best friends. Right. Yeah. So after you save Chicago, it turns out there's some frat photo of him in 1978. Yeah. that's not good.

And then that kind of dressed as Richard Pryor? Is that what you're trying to say? I just, my biggest pep people with all these movies we love is that, especially with the sequels, that they just discount

how amazing it would be for somebody to have pulled off the feet they did. Isn't there also a chance that John, this is the only time that John is competent? Because when we first see John, he can't even get his shit together. He's got, but then as soon,

as the adventurer is on, he's like really Jason born in this movie. In this movie, he's one, I mean, obviously, the original diehard as well. He's one step ahead of them at all time. He's making evaluations.

He, when Zeus has, John is like, oh, real quick, boom, boom, mix the thing, blow the thing up. He is really... He's got jokes. Yeah, the whole night. But the best part about Bruce Willis

is he still gets scared. Yeah. The best part about Bruce Willis is like when he's getting out of that police van in the beginning in Harlem, he's like, don't worry, I'll be dead in four minutes. Like, he's like, I'm still, like, sweating out beer, and I need a cigarette, and I need aspirin,

and I know I'm going to die. Like, this kind of character needs to have almost nothing to lose to do the things that they do. Or one of my favorite small parts of the movie is when they get to the park and the bomb's there. And he goes, yeah, there's a bomb there. Want to go ahead and grab it. He says to Zeus, let's go ahead and grab the bomb.

Seuss goes, why would I grab it? He goes, yo, Simon said you're supposed to be helping out. He told you to help me go grab the ball. It's funny. He doesn't want to grab it. It's funny. Did you see this in the theater? Yeah.

I saw it in the theater this weekend, actually, but I saw it in the theater when it came out. Yeah, I remember my excitement level was a 10 out of 10. And I remember being slightly disappointed by the last like half hour. Sure. It helps that the-being like first hour, great, fell apart near the end. Still had a good time. Not as good as die-her. And then I think over the next 30 years, the first 75, 80 minutes is so rewatchable.

It just kind of took another life. I think literally like up through the school evacuation, it's like one of the best blockbusters ever made. Yeah. It's one of the best action movies ever made. One of the best New York movies ever made. One of the best summer movies ever made. It just checks all the boxes.

The first 80 minutes is unassailable. And like so many other great ones, it can't sustain it. Yeah. And we'll go into some of the alternate ending. and stuff like that. But holy, I love that it just starts. We're just going. Yeah.

We have an explosion within 90 seconds and we're off and they don't spend a lot of time with McLean. It's just clear he's a complete fuck up and his life is falling apart and then we're off. Let's go. Yeah. Premise heavy. Like this guy is fucking with McLean. We don't know why. But that doesn't matter because McLean is in imminent danger in every single scene.

He has to find his way out of it. and the story kind of oriented itself around that. I went to see it in the theater, but I remember not being as excited because I was kind of getting off the old action star guys. I think it's after the last action hero. This is the tail end of that era.

Yeah. And so I remember going to see the movie and being like, oh, my God, that was much, much better than I expected it to be. It had the same kinetic energy of the first film. But, you know, Eraser and other movies like that, Maybe a racer was a year after this, or maybe it's the same. It is.

No, it's true lies was right before this. Well, true lies was. Cliffhanger was right before this. We had, like, the action guys from the 80s and early 90s had, like, one last run here through 95. And then 96 that starts a flip. We get daylight with Stallone. We get a racer. Van Dam kind of falls apart.

Arnold's pretty much done after night. Seagulls gone. And then Stallone after daylight. then he gains the way for Copland. So it's just, this is kind of the last movie. I was actually where you were probably. Like,

you know, and then the second Die Hard is done by Reni Harlan and it's like, it's really, really good. And if you watch it over and over again, it's awesome. We did the rewatchables.

It's discounted. But the crucial movie for Die Hard with a vengeance is Pulp Fiction. Yeah. Because when you find out Sam Jackson's going to be in this movie and you find out Bruce Wilson is going to be in this movie

and then you see the trailer and you watch it and you're like, oh, it's this kind of movie. And it's funny. and it's referential and it's like fast-paced, but it's like, it feels the most real of all the die-harts because of the way that people interact.

It's a crucial point. The same Jackson is the crucial part of this movie because he's bouncing around for years and years. Pulp happens. And then within a year, he's in this movie. And that was the appeal for me in 1995 with one of my worst years. Be like, Bruce.

One of your worst years? Not a lot going on. Bruce. Say more. Just like, you know. Tendon bar? Wait a minute. Just trying to get shit going.

Who hurt you? Who was she? No, trying to get shit going. This is my last year at that last year at the Herald. Okay. Trying to think like maybe the sports writer thing's not going to work out. We talked about this in other pots. Celts are, Reggie Lewis is dead.

Seltz are a mess. Okay. Yeah. Red Sox are a mess. Trot and Troy. This is when Boston became Loserville. Yeah. But it was like Bruce Wilson and Sam Jackson.

This would be fun on a Friday. Yeah. Could it hit you hard right there. I let it go. Boston Loserville thing. It was bad. The 90s were bad. Yeah.

Then it turned. Sam Jackson has this run from Pope where he just is in like five movies a year. But some of those movies were Die Hard 3. Time to kill. Yes, it deserves to die. I hope they burned in hell. All right, Bill. Long kiss.

Good night. June 10th was yesterday. Jackie Brown. Star Wars remake. All of a sudden he's like an A plus list. But yeah. Whatever. Prequel.

What was it? Keep doing the thing. Well, it's just that was it. All of a sudden he was an A plus Lister. Yeah. And it made perfect sense that he was right next to Bruce Willis in what basically is lethal weapon. Has this is,

we got to at least address that this is basically lethal weapons. This script was acquired to be a lethal weapon. It was supposed to be lethal weapon for. It somehow went and turnaround. 20th century Fox bought it. became this movie. But you could easily have seen Gibson and Glover in this. I think.

I could, but I'm glad that it's this. And I would put these guys up against those guys. On Sam Jackson has anyone taken advantage and rode the kinetic energy into the beginning of a career, not the beginning of a career, into the renaissance of a career like him. He was able to balance taking parts where he was with more established actors

like Bruce Willis. Yeah. Really weighty secondary roles with new stars like Matthew McConaughey, properties like Star Wars. He seemingly had a complete vision of how he wanted to start his golden era. And it really what kind of solidified him for the next 30 or 40, like every single movie was something interesting and had some kind of quality. Yeah, maybe it's because it didn't happen early for him.

Yeah. So he just like knew when the window opened. jumping through it. Right. So I know exactly how to do this now. He's the toughest one for the rewatchables actor rankings. Because I think this is like his 10th rewatchables. Yeah.

But like six of them, he's barely in the movie. Right. Like good fellas. Yeah. Like he's in, not as in Goodfellas. He's in coming to America as holdup man. Mm-hmm.

He's in do the right thing. We did that one. He's in Sea of Love in 1989 as black guy. Yeah. Like he's got some of this. That's what he's credited at? This is this black guy. You go through his things, magic sticks.

Is that what you credit me as? Is that what I am? He's like in magic sticks. He plays bum. You go like it's just, but anyway. But seriously though, by the time Pope Fiction comes, it kind of, and this doesn't happen as much as it used to, at least not for me.

By the time Pope Fiction comes, you go like, oh, okay, it's time for him now. But by the time that, because I had seen him. But it wasn't probable, though. This is like an NBA player at age 30 becoming a start. I'm not saying that it wasn't improbable, but I had seen him. You leave like jungle fever. He was in almost everything that Spike had done.

Exercise exercise. Exorcist three, he plays dream blind man. Uh-huh. But yeah, jungle fever. He's actually quite good in Exorcist three. It's a brief part.

Yeah. But jungle fever is when I think he goes on the radar in 91 where people are like. Yeah. Oh, this guy. Death by temptation. One of my favorite horrible. He's just, he's in all of these films. Juice.

Juice. Ninety two. One scene. In juice. Maybe two. He's in Patriots game in 92. When's fresh? A little bit later.

So that's like 95, 94, 95, maybe even 96. Then in 93, menace to society. Jurassic Park. True romance. Fresh and 94. 94. And he's been in like 9 or 10 rewatchables movies. I can't remember whether Fresh came out before after Pulp Fiction, but I remember

before being blown away by him and fresh. Yeah. So it's so and you know, everyone knows the story. He had a lot of issues. He'd a lot of drug stuff. And cleaned up and by the 90s. And then all of a sudden, he's, I mean, I can't even imagine how much money he's made. Yeah.

He's been in so many movies. He's been in 30 plus years of movies constantly. A lot of big blockbusters. He's always figured out of way to get an Iron Man or a Star Wars in there. Plus, he's been the lead in stuff. He was in like every Marvel movie for 10 years. Yeah. He used the through line to a lot of stores.

It's a little like how. Snoop Dog just kept going and going and seems like he's as relevant in 2025. I still feel like Sam Jackson's as relevant now. Well, he's become more than an actor. He's become a cultural figure. Totally. Like Snoot. Like Snoot.

Same thing. Whereas, like, you've seen a lot of these actors, I think it's really hard to keep that going for more than 15 years, you know? Like, even you watch somebody like Cruz who eventually couldn't keep it going. And then it's just like, I guess I'm just Mission Impossible Top Gun guy and that's it. Well, the thing that I've always loved about Jackson is that he seems to operate under the idea of like, I want to make movies that I would want to go see. And so many actors probably are like, I want to make a movie to win an award or I want to make a movie because it's specifically going to make me a lot of money. But he just is like, I like shark movies.

Yeah. I'm going to be in deep blue speed. I like this kind of movie. I like that kind of movie. And he makes him a lot. He's prolific. He doesn't take a lot of time off. And, you know.

And part of it is not shouldering the low. having all of these movies riding on your back. When that happens, that means a flop or a movie that's not critically well received doesn't ding you as much as it does somebody else. So you get to move on. His loss is just kind of coming. Yeah, you get to do cool stuff.

And if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't because they're not these. It's not like, oh, my God, I didn't like Days of Thunder. Is Tom Cruise over? You know. The big thing with him, I think he had a little more trouble carrying a movie. But if he was part of the movie, almost like a basketball player, like, if I can just be on the right team, I'm awesome.

And he's figured out a way, like, he can be like kind of the cool, collected brain Sam Jackson character. Or he could be like the bombastic character or the character like Zeus, which I probably think is what a top three, top four, Sam Jackson character? like for just for pure like jewels is number one I really enjoyed deep blue sea Sam Jackson we still haven't done that in rewatchables but I think he's great in that movie I'd probably say Ordel from from Jackie Brown is up there Oh fuck yeah fresh Fresh is up there just I love

Fresh came out around the same time that Searching for Bobby Fisher came out so I was going through a chest thing Yeah and to see the two different it was really cool trying to think who else. Ordel is definitely up there. Ordel, for me, Jules is the number one, but O'Dell is very close to Jules.

I love that character. I'll actually love that movie. I'm trying to think of what else. Well, there's an amazing sliding doors that we covered when Tarantino was on, what was that, the King of New York? It was the King of New York, yeah. With Sam Jackson and Lawrence Fishburn.

This is actually like, for all the sliding doors, It's the best one. This is the sliding doors. And we didn't, I didn't know it when he told the story. Lawrence Fishburn, he's trying to get her for Pulp Fiction, wrote the role for him. Please do it. Please do it.

Please do it. And Fishburn's agents go. He wants leads. It's a sporting part. It's a smaller part. You have to be a lead. So he turns it down. Which, by the way, those people are fucking morons.

There's no lead in fucking Pope Fiction. You could argue that, that Travolta is the lead. But there's no lead in the movie. The movie, it's not. ensemble. It's an ensemble movie that has a weird, circular narrative. They had a plan for him. All right. They just were like,

you can't be in ensembles anymore. You have to be a lead in the movie. So I think he did deep cover with Ellen Barkin. Instead, that's a great movie. So Sam gets jewels. Now Fishburn is negotiating for diehard diehard three. They want him.

They basically agreed that he's going to do it. He wants a lot of money and they're arguing. They're going back and forth. They can't agree on the money. Well, the producer. Andrew Vajna. Yeah. Unfortunate name. Oh,

Andrew Vajna. He goes to Cannes, because Bruce Willis, he's about to make Die Hard 3 with them, and he goes to the can to support Pulp Fiction. See Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction. He's like, what am I doing with Lawrence Fishburn? And he's like, fuck Lawrence Fishburn. He locks down Sam. Now Fishburnt's out.

Yeah. So he loses. Pulp Fiction and Die Hard 3, Sam flips spots with them and becomes Sam Jackson. And this is the biggest movie of 95, right? Yeah, if you throw in the global stuff. And then Fishburn sues, and they actually had to pay Fishburn $750K because they had a verbal agreement. A verbal agreement. I saw that when I was doing some research, which that is actually pretty awesome.

And then they also had to option a script that he wrote. But he ends up in the Matrix, so at all, I guess belatedly works out. But holy, like does Sam Jackson happen in the same way? But that whole point? Like, yeah, he's in the Matrix and it's cool, but he's basically like, this white man is Jesus for the entire Pulp Fiction. Right. By the way, that's 99. Yeah, that's four years later.

And there was a, between 95 and 99, I mean, Lawrence was working, but there's like fled and there's other movies like that. You could argue that this, that he was a tad cold. Not, he wasn't cold. He's Lawrence fucking Fishburn. But you could argue that he was a tad cold until Morpheus kind of gets him back. on the right track or whatever. The only other example in history of this Sam Jackson, Lawrence Fishburn, alternate universe flip-flop,

is Dominique Wilkins and James Worthy in the 1982, first pick of the draft, where the Lakers take Worthy over Dominic Wilkins. And if they take Dominique Wokens, and he's with Magic Johnson on the Showtime Lakers, doing all the stuff Dominic Wokens would do anyway and all the above-the-rim stuff, he becomes the biggest star in the league.

And instead he goes to Atlanta, has a great career as a hall famer. Some good battles. So like the Hawks are doing cover. But he could have been on the magic. Gotcha. On the Lakers with magic, winning titles, posters,

shoes, most famous person in the league. And it didn't happen. Hoodlam was in 97, by the way. I like that. I lost fan with my Dominic Wilkins thing. He just wasn't interesting.

That was interesting. It was like. Second Bruce Willis. a big. Bill thing, though. Second Bruce Willis. This is, yeah. You just were a neat guy.

He was, I like him. I like neat. No, we just found out. Bruce Willis, two diehard movies, makes a couple stinkers. Hey, what's going on with them? Let's do Die Hard 3. Rips off Pulp Fiction, Die Hard 3, 12 Monkeys, Armagedon, Fifth Element, the Siege, Sixth and Whole Nine Yards over the next seven years.

It's great job by him. And he's married to Demi more. Great job. I just want to throw one idea out here at you guys. So one thing that's worth noting for everybody for the listeners is that like when they make this movie, die hard has become a genre unto itself. Right. Diehard has created the die hard on a dark.

I'll talk more about this later. But I just also want to one of the things that really hit me when I was looking at like when this movie came out in 90s action movie context is that these guys not only had to top die hard to and die hard. but they had to top under siege and speed and everything else that was like around it, right? Yeah, what were the other ones? Under siege, speed. I mean, speed was the most recent one. That was 94.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's like the die hard in a blank became one of the most influential premises. And speed is the diehard cinematographer goes off and makes his own kind of movie. And it's crazy how good it is. But like they were able to cobble together a script that had been written for other purposes rejigger it so that it's in the diehard world

and then figure out that the one thing that these movies hadn't had before is a sidekick or a partner for McLean that was on his level. Like Reginald Val Johnson's good. People are good in these movies but like he's never had like a running mate through the entire movie. But they also moved him around too in this movie which they hadn't done in the first two. He's just trapped in a spot.

Yeah. Well that changes the dynamic. Like original Val Johnson was a guy in the chair. He's on a radio. because he was stuck inside of Nakatomi Towers. This one, New York is a character in the film. Yeah. Like, there's so much about this, like when I was watching it, I had never been in New York before.

But they're talking to me as if I had been. Oh, my God. New York traffic is a part of it. The parks are a part of it. If you call, like, now, like, it'll be a different hospital that the ambulance goes to, so we need to wait until we get below 14th Street or, you know, like all that. How did you feel living in New York City

with the New York City stuff in this movie? I didn't move to New York until five. years later. No, but you, you saw the city, you used all the parts of it. So when you watch this movie now. It's incredible. I mean, the grid system that they adopt, you know, I mean, there's like funny, like, how the fuck did you guys get up here or down there that fast? But, like, the fact that essentially the movie goes south, the entire chase down the island. Yeah. It's so ingenious because you can kind of track them, like Harlem, 72nd Street. Now they're at Wall Street. Now they got to go back up to Tompkins Square Park. Like, it's actually very, very,

you can visualize it really easily. What does Wall Street not have? Schools. What do they have a ton of? Banks. I was the first time I ever had that information. I didn't know what they had. They might have been a Wall Street elementary.

I didn't have schools. Yeah, it could have been a Wall Street elementary for all. I know. I have no clue what's going on. But all of that stuff is like part of the script. Pretty sure you can't get to the Yankee Stadium that fast. I mean, there's a lot of nitpics for this. To get a little of fucking Bronx?

We can get into that. Yeah. It's like, yeah, I'm just going to head down. Yankee Stadium. I'll see you guys in a second. Not sure that's how it goes. John McTiernan. What a run for him, man. Jesus Christ. From 87 and 99, he does Predator Die Hard Hunt for Red October.

I've heard that's good. Is that a good one? Yeah. Who's in that? Sean Connery. Alex Baldwin. Yeah. Oh, okay. Medicine man. Don't really remember that one.

Last action. Medicine, man. That's what John Connery, where they're down in, like, South America. With Madeline Stone. He's got like the cure to Canada. or something like that. That was actually like a good, that was a good movie. Only saw it once.

Okay, cool. Last action hero, die hard with a vengeance, and then Amanda Dobbins' favorite, the Thomas Crown Affair, in 1999. I like that movie too. And then the wheels come off. He does Roller Ball remake.

That sucks. And it sucks so bad. And that's it for John McTier. Well, he also gets caught up in the Anthony Palacano stuff, right? I don't remember that. Yeah. Is that true?

He was basically in the world. He went into jail, I think. Yeah. for all the wiretapping stuff. I know about the story, but I didn't know that it hit him so on. Written by Jonathan Hensley. We're going to talk about later,

the different category. $90 million budget made $3606,6 million, seventh biggest movie of 1995, a great movie year. So if you look at the top 10 films from that year, the fact that die hard with a vengeance is the number one global moneymaker of that year is,

Amazing. With some of the sequel stuff, some of the movies that it made more money then, when I looked them up. Yeah. Was it incredibly impressive that that film was able to outgross some of these movies. Like Batman Forever? Batman Forever. Like Batman Forever. Which one was that, Val Kilmer?

That's Valcimer. Yeah, that's the first Joe Schumacher one. A Toy Story. Apollo 13. Golden Eye. It's a bond. movie. Ace Ventura. Chris and Tide. This might be the most Chris Ryan year ever. Seven. Seven. The fact that... Get shorty. Dangerous minds. Seven could make $327 million worldwide. If they make seven today, that's going on Netflix.

Bad boy species clueless. What are we doing? Why can't we have years like this anymore? $327 million for seven. You go after the top 15 and we're looking at Outbreak, Bad Boys, Species, Clueless, the net. The American president. Fucking A. Disclosure. Higher learning. Honestly, I give Under Siege 2.

Our territory a spin every once in a while. I like it. More Chesne? Under siege too? Yeah. On the train. I'm just saying. Under siege,

die hard on the train. Money Train. A movie that I feel like if it comes out in other years, maybe does better, but there's so many good movies. You don't love it? I like Money Train.

Well, I like it for two reasons. Tommy Boy. Heat? A little movie called Heat. Casino. Come on. Money train, getting the band bat together from White Man Can't Jump, and then that is J-Lo.

That's the... Yeah, that's her arrival. That's the J-Lo 35-point game. Like, oh, my God, this guy off the bench could score. That's the 48-point LeBron Detroit game. You like that? I tried to throw it back to do some NBA stuff. J-Lo scored 25 points of the row against the Pistons.

Roger Ebert, our guy, three stars. Fair. I think three stars is fair. If we're giving stars to Raj's reviews, I give this a two-star review. I just feel like he took a couple miles per hour off the fastball. Maybe it was a hot. Didn't really check a lot of the Raj boxes.

Yeah. He did say die hard with a vengeance is basically a wind-up action toy cleverly made, deliver with high energy. It delivers what it just advertises with the vengeance. But if the plot's just going to go sideways in the last 40% of a movie, Raj is not going to sign off. that's not going to get one of three stars. You guys still feel that way?

Like when you watch the movie now, do you still feel like it loses itself? I don't know why we go to Yankee Stadium and then from every moment on feels like they were just trying to figure out how to end the movie. Yeah, I was going to talk about this. I still enjoy it.

I mean, we have a lot of nitpicks. We'll save them. There's some nitpicks. We'll take a quick break and we'll do the categories. This episode is brought to you by Amazon Prime. Ever finish a movie? And the next thing you know,

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We're getting into. Head to Amazon.com slash Prime and follow your obsession wherever it goes. Most rewatchable scene. This is one of the fun movies where I think every scene is in my list. You just wrote down all the scenes. Up until the boat. Yeah. Yeah.

I have starting opening scene right in the Simon says, which also gets the Kid Cudy Pursuit Happiness Aware, Best Needle Drop for Somewhere in the City. Hot time, somewhere in the city. And just an awesome swerve. Where you're like, oh, this would be nice. Just shots in New York and the song. And then all of a sudden, Bonwet Tower is exploding.

Yeah. And you're like, what the fuck? We've started? Yeah. And then Simon, we only hear the Jeremy Irons voice. Should have mentioned Jeremy Irons in the first segment. Should have, yeah. kind of the like I'm not saying he was DDL but was for that era was he was Oscar had the respect yeah it was like it was meaningful that he was in this movie he was one of the best actors in the world yeah and this I mean we were talking about uh Lawrence Olivier last time a marathon man and the British actor phone it coming in to play the villain in an American blockbuster that would like started with Marathon man this is a great example of that yeah and if you're going to do Hans Gruber's brother

as a character it's Alan Rickman the best villain ever in an action movie probably you're gonna have to bring in a real actor

yeah I do feel like that these guys when I see Jeremy Irons I feel like he just went you know what I just want to be

in a fucking movie in a tank top I can fucking be and people want to work out yeah I can be the fucking heavy

I can be physical I can be cool I can be sexy and when you see him in this movie he's playing with different accents. He's taking it serious.

I can have violent sex with a chick with a throat scar. She's got a sickle. I can throw her on the desk. It's interesting. So he wins the Oscar in 1990. Right? For reversal fortune.

Klaus von Bulow. Not a great hang, Klaus. Klaus. Killed his wife. Maybe. Well, he got away with him. Probably.

But you look at his IMDB and it's just all over the place. Like dead ring. Harris was a really interesting movie. But for the most part, it was not a commercial actor. Like, he was in damage and butterfly.

He played the Lion King. He played Scar's voice. But for the most part, was kind of over here. And then just kind of flies into. But this is what they did so well in the 90s, where they would just be like, Malcovic, now you're a super villain in Conair.

You're the best. You know what I mean? Like Ed Harris, come play in the rock. With that said, I don't think DDL at any point in his career does this movie. maybe to his maybe to his detriment yeah

but that's the thing it would have been amazing if ddl was in a version of diehard 3 Dale day louis you think you're too good for this now did you guys hear it's funny that you bring this up first of all DDL learns fluent German to play this part oh he goes so fucking deep he might scar

his own face yeah no he he learns how to drive the dump trucks himself yeah he's going all in now did you guys hear he learns how to make gold gets flooded in an Aqueduct just to know what he's doing. Marvel wants DDF. For what?

Maybe to play Doom after... Everyone has a price. Yeah. Well, he's working with his son, so he is out of retirement. He's going to be in his son's movie. Robert Day Lewis? Johnny Day Lewis? What's the son's name?

I think it's Sam, actually. Sam, I can't remember, though. But he is back-ish. I just don't know if he's going to do like a PTA movie, and I really, really hope he doesn't do Dr. Doom. There's no fucking chance that tomorrow

can get him. Are you a phantom thread guy? Yeah, phantom thread yeah, love phantom thread. Yeah. I thought you said are you a fan of threat now.

Sean and I are going to do that. I'm rewatched it was at some point. You should. I saw it twice in the theater. I thought it was just like mesmerizing. Mesmerizing how good he was in that movie. The only thing I'd say about him

is on the DDL before we leave is his reputation as being the best actor in the world is so cemented and ironclad he might care enough not to fuck with it

to ever give us a Simon Gruber or something where we just like watch him go wacky and really the history of all these guys is at some point

they come back as they get older and like ah fuck it like Olivier was like that all of a sudden we talked about that marathon man he's just grabbing gigs

I mean Hopkins TV movies is fucking Odin right you know he's old yeah the Hopkins would like show up for a FedEx commercial at a certain point. Yeah, yeah.

Next rewatchable scene. I have a lot on the Simon Says gimmick, but it's for a later topic. John McLean puts the sign on and we meet Sam Jackson. What the sign say? I don't know, you tell us fans. By the way, this was really controversial in 1995. Yeah, honestly, so I saw this in a theater on Sunday. and there were a bunch of people

who hadn't seen it before and it was a lot of younger people and there was a little bit of like oh yeah yeah like when we saw the verdict the Newman hit Charlie ramping and you could the crowd like gasp

like they couldn't believe it so it was like that kind of it's one of those interesting scenes to me because this is just Van's Wheelhouse it is because he just can't wait he's been waiting it's not the most racist thing

that happens in the scene and I love love it when that happened. Should we guess what the most racist thing is? What's the most racist thing in the scene? I feel like somehow we both lose if we don't guess the right thing. I might do the DDL and just abstain. Oh, yeah, you're going to retire from podcasting on me.

Just retiring. So the most racist thing in the scene is, so he's standing there with that, you know, that, by the way, it was. Is it the depiction of the guys on the stoop? Yes. So the guys on the stoop. Just 10 guys hanging down on a stoop? But no, they're throwing. shirtless and throwing a basketball around.

Go look at it. Ten guys on a stoop, crowded together. No hoop. They just tossing the basketball around. They got it. They got guns. They got liquor. Knives.

They got no shirts. They got no shirts. And they have a basketball. And it's like 8.30 in the morning. And they have a basketball. The kids are going to school. So school in New York City starts, I would say, either eight or nine. Let's say eight.

So multiple picking nits here. Why are all these guys just outside at 7.45 in the morning? Why is Sam Jackson opening his pawn shop for the early 8 o'clock rush? I think it's more of an electronics store. Yeah. I think they're asking if he would take that boombox, but I don't think he's a pawn shop. I think he's an electrician. I couldn't tell what the store was.

Yeah, he's an electrician. He's fixing. So it's like an electric electrician shop? Yeah, he'll fix your TV. He'll fix your stereo. 750 in the morning. Look, you got... Roliburg gets the worm.

And just that, like, it's a little too alive for 7.45 in the morning, I would say. Yeah. I guess I agree. Yeah. I think that scene is, I'll be honest with you, though. I think that scene is hysterical. Like, even when Sam Jackson looks and goes, call the police, tell him somebody's about to get killed. He walks out there and they're talking.

I remember being in the theater and all of a sudden, you hear, what the fuck right no when he has to walk by the old lady and he's just like yeah that that scene is funny to me

man I like who do we not want to help us he says to the two kids and they're like white people I also think they get in the cab and he keeps on Jesus he's like

stop calling me Jesus do I look Puerto Rican to you all of it's great the mean mugs on the on the the guys, I'm just going to assume he never makes him in the cab in their life. They doesn't get there? Yeah, because they hit him over that with a bottle.

There's 10 of them. I don't know. Yeah, it would be tough. I think it would be tough. I will say that when Zeus's character gives the rationale for as for why. He had to save him. Yeah. Number one, he knows he's a police officer.

He identifies himself as a police officer. He says, hey, I'm a cop. Some guy made me do this. And the moment that he says, I'm a cop, Zeus changes. He probably would have protected him anyway. But he's like, I definitely can't let the police get killed up here because if they get killed, then. Yeah, it's a free for up. Right.

Next one. Simon negotiates with John and John gets his badge back. My chair with me in it? Why are you trying to kill me? Kill me? That's really great. So ableist. I know.

That's also a great introduction to all the other cops. Well, that's what my favorite part is when Walter, the guy with the mustache, like his boss, he's like, he tells Simon he's negotiating. Believe me, the jerk isn't worth it. You stepped on so many toes to this department by the time next month. He's going to be a security guard. His own wife wants nothing to do with him. And he's two steps shy becoming a full-blown alcoholic. Kind of crossed the line, I felt like.

You should do that to us. Maybe a little too much information. On pods, you should be like, believe me, Chris. Ryan's all used up. I was going to do this later in the pod, but he doesn't take my real estate advice. Hey, hey, you don't want to work, Van, he's nothing but a porn addict. No, with Chris, like, I was thinking, like, if Chris, like, Chris gets divorced and becomes an alcoholic, when we're still doing pods with them, and it's like, I don't know if CR, I don't know if we can count on him,

tell him 11 o'clock call time, and Chris just shows up, like, can I get an aspirin? It's an indictment of you that if I was in that condition, you'd be like, fuck him. We're still wheeling him out there. Yeah, 100%. Chris, like, on a John McClurey. In the tank top, hair fucked up, popping aspirin the whole night. It would be amazing if Sierra just had an alcohol, alcoholic binge just for like a year. Just the wheels came off.

Sear showed up. He's wearing like a Ben Simmons torn sixers jersey, just stupid pods. I didn't watch that yet, but I'm here anyway. Saw it once. Could be a good gimmick for next year. Phantom thread. Did I read that wrong? I really like that when he gets the badge back.

Next one. Last, let's even. Have we gotten away from the trope of you losing your badge, but you're superior keeping it in his desk drawer? Yeah, with the other badge. It's so good. Hey, hey, you're back. And then the badge.

hits his hand like fucking Thor's hammer he's like fuck I'm the man again I'm a cop you telling me I could be a cop again being a cop was like the most important thing

Absolutely like The gun and the badge trope is just one of the great things Give me your gun and badge Yeah The hungover cop thing too So where was he drinking

I think was he up to the day before Like the gentleman on the stoop In Harlem He might have just been out all night You know what I mean New York City You can really push the limits He really tested Holly

Over the years is Walter in love with Holly? How many times is Walter going to bring up this man's ex-wife? It would be so weird. Maybe, or he's in love with Holly. How many times, if I came in here and every time I did something wrong, you went, Van Calica deserves better? I'd be like, yo, what the fuck you're doing? Yeah, why you keep bringing her up?

Yeah. Yeah. This is between you and I. Can I just two more things from the office when that happens? I love Charlie coming in and setting off a minor bomb. And Colleen can't be like, Charlie, you're going to be wearing. The chirp your ass! And yeah, just Graham Green.

And it's really funny that, like, this was a run in movies where I still feel like we were making fun of the act of getting therapy. So the therapist guy, everybody's just like, yeah, fuck you, man. Who are you? Yeah, you're a fucking shriek. Piece of shit.

I do miss that area. I also, we've talked about this before, but the 70s, 80s, just the police stations just moved in a way more fun way. And they just seem to capture it way better than now. It's all printed out papers, hard paper and landlines. Just people busting each other's balls.

Nobody likes each other. Everybody's like, you going to get coffee? The fucking pricks from IA are here again. You know, the whole fucking thing. Right. The fucking pricks. I mean, the whole thing is like in every cop movie, it's the same shit. 48 hours, I still think, is the best with that.

All of those guys are getting paid like $32,000 a year. They're just skimming coke out of the evidence room. All right. I'm going to go most rewatchable for this next part, which I think it's multiple scenes, but I feel like it all ties together. The phone game with the Seven Wives, into the cab ride,

driving through Central Park, cutting through New York City, and then him jumping on the train and the train bomb going up. I just feel like that's one scene. Wall Street is South. They stop yelling at me. I got a bad headache.

And the best way south is not 9th Avenue. It's through the park. Oh, dear. I told you the park drive is always jam. I didn't say park drive. I say through the park. Is that fair? It's like 15 minutes.

It's 15 of the most electrifying minutes in action movie history. And one of my favorite parts about it is that the moment when McLean goes into the park is the moment that Zeus realizes he's in. an action movie. Yeah. Where he's just like, oh shit. And this is like that kind of 90s meta, like a character is almost aware of the absurdity of their thing.

Like most action movies now are like, no, it's the accountant. And it's normal that Ben Affleck will kill 35 guys. Yeah. And nobody ever comments on it. You know what I mean? But in this movie, Zeus is us and is like,

what the fuck are you doing? We're driving through. Are you aiming at these people, you know? And he said he did say he was. at the mind. And he's in it, he's in it with a crazy white boy. He's with a crazy white boy taking him on a crazy white mission, crazy white problems.

He keeps coming back to that. He never loses his worldview. I honestly think that there's a couple of really unintended funny scenes, or maybe intended funny scenes. But the scene where Simon's fucking with them at the phone booth and they dive, I don't know why that is so hysterical to me. No, no. The answer is one.

He has a bomb. And they jump under, it's hysterical to me. To your point, also, this has got Grace Papaya in the background of the 72nd Street pay phone. Then they go and they do like traffic talk. Oh, you want to take 9th Avenue to get south? No, the fastest way south is through the park. Yeah. And then it's like.

Through the park. Then there's the ambulance blocking scheme, which is based entirely on him knowing what hospital responds to which call at a certain. point in the city. And it's just like the whole thing. And then it's the whole getting into the subway part. It's so New York that you are like so grounded in like this experience. You're so like I'm right here in this city. And it really feels like they're filming in New York, which they are.

I really genuinely feel like people were in danger. I was like, we were talking about it when we saw it on something. This movie would cost a billion and a half dollars because you have to shut down so many parts of New York. Then there's another New York thing that they're doing and I see my New York friends do all the time is their argument. over who's more New York. Like they're arguing over

who has the right way to get to this place. Who knows this? Who knows that? Nah, that's not what you do. You go there, nah, you don't know. This is what you do. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, that's my introduction to all of that type of shit. It was a great spot for a name drop there, but you avoided it. I'm trying to be your New York, France.

And then you could just listed like three people to impress us. But you didn't do it because you're not that kind of guy. Not anymore. The Central Park piece, there's a couple, how the fuck Did they do that moments in this movie? Even the Bonwet Teller blowing up. I was rewinding and watching them.

Like, did they actually blow up Bonne with Teller? Like, how'd they do this? Because I don't feel like CGI was good enough in 95. I don't know how they did it. Also, like, so many funny visual psychags, like when Walsh, the cop is following them and he loses them as they come out of the park. And he just sees, like, fucking cafe tables exploding. And he's just like, ah, I lost him.

We always talk about the concept of the rewatchables is if it's on and you're like, oh my God, I'm getting sucked in. And sometimes there are movies you can come in halfway through like, yes, I'm going to fucking ride right now. Or like Boogie Nights. Like when Dirk shows up at Jack Horner says like, oh, this is going to be amazing 40 minutes. Yeah, or the world over, whatever you want. This is the part.

You want to catch the opening. It's like Die Hard 3 starting right now. Yeah. Can we push that reservation to 7.30? Just give me like an. hour here. But if they are in that cab like if they are in that cab, I'm multi-viewing it

whatever sports I'm watching. I am just you just want to see it. finishing the fucking movie. If you oh, this also has Sam with the phone ringing. One of my favorite gimmicks, the nervous cop. Phone ringing and he's like, if you want to shoot me right now,

but first the Yuppie who's like, I was here first, bro. Yeah, yeah. Yuppies take a beating in this movie. There's like multiple bad ones. That whole scene's great. I do feel like nitpick, I do feel like the bomb would have caused a lot more damage.

But I feel like some people are dying. It's worth mentioning that they, this is when we were a nation and we would blow up a subway train for a movie and it would travel at 45 miles per hour within there and like the entire film crew were actually like running for their lives. And the film crew was like,

I'm really glad no one died when we had. Speed was like that too. It was another one where it was like, foof, thank God, no casualty. for that scene. They would just CGI it now. Simon breaks it into Fort Knox

a very hot entrance from Chris's girlfriend in this movie. I don't know. Do you want to save it? You want to save it? Okay. Yeah.

Thanks. This really seems like it's Fort Knox. They do a good job of like, I don't know what Fort Knox is actually like. It's actually not Fort Knox. Well, but you know what I mean?

Like the, where all the gold would be. It's just like, is this what it would be? like you're just all these gold with different countries. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

there's one scene where they bring out that gigantic drill. You know that big drill that they're drilling through the thing. When I watch the movie, I'm like, they really had that drill drilling into the shit. There's a lot of stuff like that. A lot of care. Ah, the elevator scene.

I have a, I have a breakout here. What was the lottery number last night? You mean like I had to turn the TikTok camera on thing? No, it's, no, it's not. When I see the elevator scene, you know what I thought? Fucking Captain America Winter Soldier.

Yeah, they stole it. They stole the scene. Yeah. I mean, sure, I'm sure it's been done. You know what? You got to stop because it makes the ringer verse. It makes the ringer verse feel orphaned when you do that. Captain America Winter Soldier?

Captain America. It's a Captain America like Colin Winter Soldier? Yeah. Who is the Winter Soldier? Bucky Barnes is the winner soldier. Oh, I forgot about him. Captain America's best friend and then he, whatever. So they steal shit from back.

There's an iconic, there's an iconic elevator scene where Captain America is on the elevator and all these people behind him are actually hydro agents. Yeah. And he realizes that he doesn't know that they're hydra agents yet, but he realizes that they're trying to capture him. And so he looks around and he goes, before we get started, does anybody want to get off the elevator?

And then he proceeds to fuck all of these people up. And that's essentially the same thing. It's the exact same thing that happens to die off with a video. Yeah, except John McLean puts a gun in a guy's head and is just like, God the fucking gun! This is like, this is fucking reservoir dogs right in this thing. I slow moat it to figure out how he did it. And my wife was just in the TV room with me doing on her iPad and just looking over at me like,

wow, this is just never going to end. You're deranged. Yeah. deranged human being. Yeah. But he's got the two people behind him. They edit it really fast, so you almost don't know what's happening. But he takes a gun and he shoots through his coat behind him at the two guys.

And somehow nails both of them, then turns it around, somehow kills the third guy and then is in the standoff with the fourth guy. But I'm going to say the degree of difficulty is about an 11.2 out of nine. I don't think John's getting out of there, but it's a great line when Susis is like, are you okay? And he's like, oh, yeah, it's not my blood. Yeah, it's not my blood. is a classic. That elevator

seems great. I like when the guy, he calls it a lift. Yeah, they fuck up. Calls it a lift. He also says it's raining like dogs and cats. And then nobody knows the lottery number, which is like the number one. And he's wearing Walsh's batch. He sees Walsh's badge number.

So all of you are going to die. John, by the way, his policing, he doesn't say, hey. You're under arrest. In YPD. No, John just, he notices that you're a bad guy and then he kills you. I think that scene could have been longer

where he could have just done more things to realize those guys weren't real be like, it's up with Patrick Ewing. Is he ever going to get over the top? Tino Martinez got a soft glove. Right? Can you believe that Maddenly is Yankee?

Just could have kept going for me. But Wade Box, I mean. A couple more quick ones. Because you split for a race. The little Wade box. The kid saying, look around, man, all the cops are into something.

It's Christmas. You could steal City Hall. It's just a great voila-la moment. John McClain, good at the voila moments. One of his signature things. I like on the boat just when Irons takes the gun from Sam and just shoots him in the leg. Yeah. That's the swig down.

That's a swathe's eating the egg. He is never afraid of him. He realizes guys is not combat tested. Yeah. Let me see that real quick. Got to take the safety off. Where's McLean? That's like cool villain shit.

And then the ending is ridiculous, but I do enjoy to say hello to your brother. Yeah. What do you got from us? watchable, CR. I have the same sequence that you're talking about. If I had to pick one, I'd probably go cab ride downtown. Van? Exactly same thing. What's the most

1995 thing about this movie, CR? I got pay phones. I had those as well. I had crucial scenes with pay phones. Crucial pay phones and crucial taxi cabs. World Trade Center is there and Rodney King references.

Rodney King references. There were only 42 presidents. Yeah. So that's a good one. So that's a big part of it. I'm going to add that one. And the look of New York City. This is one of the last movies.

Because when you get movies filmed or set in New York now, it's a, I guess, post-Juliani New York cleanup. So you get a different version of New York almost. I know this is New York Month. But New York existing as the Warriors, New York, or as the New York that was in all of these different movies, movies kind of gone now. Happier, sunnier in New York.

Happier, sunnier. No internet yet, no bikes. More corporat yet. No bikes. More corporatized now instead of like no electric bikes. Businesses, yeah. No pot. If you do this. If you do, if you do. Pot smoke everywhere now.

All right, Pam Bondi. Relax. Maybe clean up the pot a little bit. New York, but in New York, when I go there now, you drive pop by places, there are activations everywhere. There's all kinds of stuff. You can tell that the city has kind of a different ethos to it now. But this is one of the movies where you,

where you could still have that New York as a character in the film. I have the lady saying, and I'm going to marry Donald Trump. Yeah. And Hillary Clinton reference in this one too. Yeah. I have the Twin Towers that you mentioned, but I blew it out.

Bruce and Sam jogging both with hair with the Twin Towers behind them. Very 1995. Yeah. And then Bonwitt Teller. Yeah. Department stores. Jack, you have any idea with Bonwet Teller?

Absolutely not. I don't know. What was the big Boston department store? I mean, they were all the same ones. We have Wanamakers, J.C. Pennings, all those. I mean, the big one in Connecticut was Calders. Okay.

Or Caldors. Caldors? Yeah. We had Gotchas. Yeah. I don't know what happened. Gotchas? Yeah, Gotchas is, it was a, it was, it was, lasted through the 80s into the 90s.

But I think on Macy's bottom or something like Gotchaos was like a, like a Louisiana. Department store chain. Yeah. Got you all. Bloomingdale's was big in Boston, but I think that's... Bloomingdale's all around. It's all around.

Yeah. It is funny when you only live in one place for a while and then you go to other places. They have a Bloomingdale here? It's just like completely shocking. Does you guys have Dillards? No. No.

We had Dillards in the South. Yeah. Love Dillards. We don't always do this category, but did this movie need a better title? Can we talk about the Die Hard with a vengeance thing for a second? Yeah.

I mean, is there a new? New York thing that we could have. I mean, if you just call it a diehard in New York, that's pretty good. How about diehard three Simon says? Well, is that just a better title? Am I crazy? Here's the thing is.

By the way, why can't this be diehard three colon something? Why did we get away from that? Well, I call it diehard three. Honestly, when I said that I wasn't super jazz about going to see it, I went to see it. I was seeing movies so much at that time. It was kind of because of the title a little bit. It's like, what is the title?

It's Simon's vengeance. It is Simon's vengeance. Die Hard 3, Simon says. I don't know. It's just better. Or just call it diehard 3. Diehard 3, the other gruber? Second gruber.

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I have a bunch. What do you have CR? I got to say, I have a bunch as well. I fucking love a black guy and a white guy working together. You know what? Sometimes we've been at odds. Jesus Christ, when it clicks, it clicks. That is my what's age the best by far.

the first thing you learn about Zeus is we don't need no help from white people really the movie is about a racial reckoning where white people and black people help each other white people and black people

help against like when they're a Toccan Square Park he's like say it! He's like I was gonna call you an asshole! I'm like, yo, yo, that's actually the center of the movie and it's against the crazy Europeans the crazy Europeans are the enemy. As the OJ trial is happening in your life

OJ trials happened. That's what's aged the best. That's the lesson of this movie. McLean always has, well, went away from it, but McLean is with us. He always has a brother that's helping them out. It's funny, 48 hours basically starts that. And it just keeps going in that thread.

So this movie's both ripping off 48 hours and ripping off itself because it's a diehard movie. But this movie doesn't, a lot of those other films, they play the racial differences. Like, it's subtext, right? It's jokes, it's whatever. 48 hours is obviously. But in this one, you have the, the Zeus character who has a direct way of looking at things.

And that's kind of the times were a little fraught. So it's kind of McLean who just wants to get to mission accomplishment and Zeus, who has all of these other views on society. Well, the shoot the gun thing is funny where he goes, look, all brothers don't know how to shoot guns, you racist motherfucker. Right. Yeah. it has a lot of moments sprinkled like that even when Zeus at the pay phone is like police business hang the

fuck get a new fucking phone or whatever and he's like don't do that shit like you're here like as like my assistant basically you're not a cop and he's like I'm gonna fucking walk away then how about that? Yeah you need me more than I need you like it's got like power dynamics in a really cool way

anyway it's just like I I think every five years we gotta have so Zeus does so so Zeus says all brothers don't know how to use the gun and then he does exactly what McLean tells him to do. He does exactly what McLean has him to do. What else do you have?

Can I do Katia now? Save it for the end. Okay. What do you have for Wood Sage the best? Hangovers. Yeah, it's one of the great hangover movies. One of the great hangover movies. He just needs a couple of aspirin. Yeah. A couple of aspirin. His head's really hurting him.

Yeah, hangovers. Filming this bunch of New York we mentioned. I have for Wood Sage the best anytime a character the phone rings and somebody in the police station answers and the cop doesn't want any part of it and they go, I think you better take this. Walter. I think you better take this. It's always good. I like when evil brothers turned out to be the one wreaking the revenge.

Yep. Which has had mixed results. Another 48 hours. Gans's brother didn't totally work. But you know, what this movie does great is they hide Simon like the sharp. from Jaws shows up at minute 50. Yeah. And when he shows up and you're like,

God damn, Jeremy Irons is blonde and he's fucking killing people? This is crazy. Then they let him rip for a little while. Then you get him acting like somebody else. You get the moment where one of my favorite moments in the movie. When he's Mr. Vanderflug? Yeah, Mr. Vanderfug. And then at the end of the movie where McClain thinks he's going to die,

and he just goes, your brother was an asshole. Yeah. And it hurts Simon. Sure. And you could tell. And so, you know, no one's going with that. If fantasy had been murdered at the Braves game. Jesus Christ.

And then CR becomes, he becomes the Simon Gruber. He goes to Atlanta for revenge. He goes to a Hawks game. Trying to blow up a hawks hornet's game to get revenge for Sean. That's basically, I'm just doing action movie premises. I get it. Why are you staring at me like that? You're a sick motherfucker, bro.

Hungarian army. Hungarian army explosive expert Now working for the Iranians Targo A quote actually said in this movie Yeah Hungarian army explosive expert Now working for the Iranians

It's a fucking triple crowd The last draft pick of the bullets Yeah I really like when they do Does the name Gruber mean anything to you And they do the flashback of Hans falling Yeah This is my biggest

Midnative pick But yes What That reveal Oh you wish when the therapist is like he spoke with a German accent you'd be like yeah I know a German guy oh you think you would have caught that earlier

good point good point CR any experience with German people in your past like yeah here's another what's age the best when we have an action film and a car chase but somebody's in a cab and then just a random passenger gets in the cab thinking it's entering a cab 100% success rate

it's never not worked ever in the history movies Also love when they steal their Mercedes. Comandering people's vehicles. And they're like, who is the 42nd president? He's like, go fuck yourself. Commentaring vehicles seems like it would be the single most fun thing about being a police officer. Be like, I'm just going to take your car. I think it's a slightly more controversial act now.

But yeah. Alcoholic hero cops who have people say to them, Jesus, you look like shit. This. Every pod you start with me. You look like. Jesus. You look like.

But like out of a place of your concern. Yeah. Like what the fuck is going on with you? By the way, that Bruce, that's Bruce Willis's place in the action movie pantheon. Yeah. That's his place. Yeah. The every man cop who looks like shit but can rise to the occasion. Yes.

Right. Stuff's at stake. I have two storytelling mechanisms that have aged the best. Yeah. There is a constant ticking clock in this movie, a series of ticking clocks basically, because every task they have to do is you have 15 minutes, you have this. Sometimes they actually keep the action

to the amount of time that they have to get there. They go real time. They go real time. So that plus the changeover in the middle of the movie where they can't use the radios anymore. And everybody is now we're in the dark. We can't call.

And it's like you have to use the switchboard. I also love the switchboard. The whole fucking world just called 911. Yeah. Also, the fact, this movie gets into like dueling plots because diehard is intimate, right? Yeah. But not this one. This is not an intimate diehard.

And obviously the subsequent sequels, which we haven't talked about at all, they're not intimate at all, right? But this one is not into it. Yeah. But like this one is. Just among as a tech hacker? This one is. No thanks. McLean's dummy mission that he's actually on.

then the existential threat of the bombs at the school with the guy trying to diffuse the bombs. There's multi-front wars and then the heist going on at the same time. So it's kind of a blueprint to a contemporary action movie where it's just not about the thing. Yeah. There's four or five different things happen.

I think this is a what's age the best. You tell me, because everyone does same Jackson impersonations, right? Does it come from this movie or pulp? Pulp fiction. You could argue he's doing more of the Sam Jackson impression of Sam Jackson in this movie than in pulp. No, you could. I think you could.

It's pulp. This is like on the level of my Joe Pesci was better in lethal weapons, too. This is on the same level. It's Pulp Fiction. Okay. Yeah. On my way to St. Ives, I met a man with seven wives, every wife, has seven sacks. Every sack had seven cats. Every cat had seven kittens. Kittens, cats, sacks,

and wives. How many were going to St. Ives? John just nails it. There's no way I'm knowing that. Zeus nails it. Zeus nails it. No way I'm figuring that I mean. No way I'm figuring that. You just hear it once? There's no way. It's hard. It's hard. So Zeus nailing it is what's age the best because I'm just so impressed that it's cool that he's like I'm good at puzzles. Like let me let me think about this for a second. Also, that's too fucking hard. Movie is, Zeus is kind of the brains of the operation when it comes to that whole thing. So another little thing that the movie is doing

some of the expectations, but that's a nitpick for me is some of these things that they have to do, I just don't have any faith they would have figured them out. The question is whether or not they were supposed to or not. True. And then any action movie villain playing Simon says, sign me up. Oh, go ahead. Can I talk about Katia now?

I thought for sure you would use that as your CR flexi. category. You want to just do that here? Go ahead, do it. You want it so badly. Katia is played by the country music singer Sam Phillips. Yeah.

Her entrance in this film is among the three or four greatest character entrances of all time. She is wearing... The cigarette in her mouth? Popped collar, green army shirt. Her blonde hair is slick back. She's got sunglasses on and she's got a cigarette dangling from her mouth.

And then she cuts a guy to pieces so that she's covered in his own blood. And it's the hottest thing I've ever seen in my life. Save Edie Falka. Even better than Idy Falco Copeland. with this is really the heyday for you. Those movies are a year apart. These are the two.

This is like, like, Ali Frazier of blonde smoking. Is Edie Falco? Does she ever actually smoke or she just has the cigarette her mouth? She's got dangling out of her mouth. Yeah. I think he's dead,

my dear. She's mute. Yeah. And the Israelis tried to kill her. It's funny that she's a country Western singer who just by mere body language and a smear in her face looks like a German.

I didn't learn this. I started doing research last night, I would have bet anything that she was in Eastern Europe and didn't speak in English. She was like a critically adored country music song. She was married to fucking the guy. Tebow and Burnett. I literally

looked that up last night. I mean, this does lead to, did the the Malie Rubin Award for Did this movie need a better sex scene? It would have been nice. They said they threw that in because McTiernan's like we're getting in R anyway. Let's get a little. Also, can I just say? We could have maybe unleashed her the kind of vision we need.

Exactly. Is guys who are like, I'm getting an R anyway? We're getting an R anyway is the greatest sentence. We're putting in more headshots and there's going to be some fucking. Yeah,

I love that. But you know what? Killed that? Remember when we, Craig, Craig was not here today, but remember when we talked to Craig a little while ago,

like last year, two years ago and he was like, this movie had unneeded boobs? Like, why did this movie need boobs? Remember when we were having that conversation? Yeah,

you know why the movie needs boobs? Generational. Because this is fucking America. That's why the movie fucking needs boobs. Couldn't there have been a bomb and a strip club in this movie? Exactly. Like, that's why the movie means boos. What's the, what was the scores in the 90s?

In the 90s. I'm trying to think what, you know, my wife might be watching. What was the one, 90s? Pandas? You did Carrie's? But yeah, scores. Yeah. Scores, yes.

They could have put a bomb in scores over the school. Don't give away free IP. What do you have for Big Gahuna Burger Award for best use of food or drink? Aspirin. The aspirin. Great Shot Gordor Award, most cinematic shot. For me, bomb-wit tower exploding, which is really good. What do you have?

That is actually, I was going to say, the opening three or four shots of the sun coming up in New York City, and you're just like, I'm now hot. Great stuff. Yeah. Chess Rockwell, Brocklanders. Hold on. I have one for Great Shot, Gordo. What's here?

The fucking guy getting cut. and half. Oh, from the wire. The wire. That is when I realized, oh, fuck it. They said, fuck it. I like when they drag them to.

We should put that in one stage the best when they're pulling the two different parts of his body. Yeah, you get the legs. There's intestines everywhere, by the way. That's way messy. Chess Rockwell, Brocklanders were our best character name. Zeus Carver is pretty tough to beat. Yeah.

It's up there. What do you have for Flex category, CR? Okay. I got two. One that's preexisting. It's when would I have died and it would have been water jugs. I still don't understand it.

I've read extensive explanations to how they figure it out. And it's just... Weird. My brain just figures the shit out. I couldn't do it. So you would be able to do water drugs. Yeah. But you wouldn't have gotten through St. Ives.

I just, he said it so fast, I don't think I could have remembered it. Water drugs I would have gotten. But I did make up a new category from my flex here. Yeah. It's the Ratso. New category. Yeah. Ratso Rizzo, I'm walking here.

Most New York quote for it. Nice. We did. Why keep. calling me Jesus, do I look Puerto Rican to you, the Wall Street guy saying your lights are on. Look, I'll make this very simple. One 12 Wall Street

or I'll have your medallion. What? You don't like white people? I like Zeus going, I'm not jumping through hoops for some psycho. That's a white man with white problems. You deal with him when he crosses 110th Street. And then Walter

saying, get a hold of musson in Triborough. Tell him to close the East River bridges north of 59th Street looking for dump trucks and Connie goes dump trucks and Walter's like McLean says their dump trucks headed up the FBR loaded with gold Connie

Walter they don't allow dump trucks on the FDR! So I like that one the most. That's a good category I wish we had that three episodes ago. All right Butch's girlfriend award for a week link of the film.

So this movie has the Apocalypse now Flight of the Valkyrie's problem, where like the action in the beginning of the movie is so good, there's no way to have a finale. It's like the helicopter is an apocalypse. So it's like the first 113 minutes of this movie are fucking perfect. And you just can't top it. You can't top the subway car with the end of this film. And they kind of, they kind of give up. They kind of shrug their shoulders.

Yeah, we'll go. When we do half-ass, we'll go into the alternate ending. I had basically the same thing but I'll even go a little more precise Why is Zeus involved in the last 40 minutes of this movie? It's fucking ridiculous. He's a normal person. There's a

moment in this movie where it's like, all right, Zeus, thanks for everything. Yeah. Maybe you should go back to your store and your family and this is now like a police matter. Simon no longer needs you. Simon, you're not involved. You're not, this isn't a buddy cop movie anymore. Thank you for everything. but instead he's just now a cop

he's in a chopper leading the attack he's shot in the leg he's fine you're doing wind horse fingers yeah because I was gonna fucking get at bill but there's no reason to it's a good point you know what this happens so often

in these mid 90s action movies do you remember how Erica Eleniac becomes a fucking commando and she's She pops out to one of the great, great adolescent Van Lathan moments of milk of the early 1990s. It's just, bro, I'm not even going to fucking try to act like I wasn't like, oh shit when that happened. Then by the end of the movie, she a fucking Navy seal. Yeah.

So that does happen in these films. And it's something that they've gotten away from. They don't do that that much anymore. No, that is probably for the best. I mean, 48 hours invented it. Reggie Hammond goes from, he's on a 48 hour, you know, whatever. By the end of the movie, he's shooting guns, trying to find guns. Did you have a weak link or no?

I did. Holly. Got sick of it. The wife. No more mention of her. Hey, McLean, call your wife right now. Go call Holly. Man, fuck all that.

We got to get to the end of the mission here. stop bringing Holly back into the movie. I know she was a big presence in terms of the driving narrative force of particularly the first diehard. And you could say, second two. She's on the plane. She's on the plane.

But like, at this point, it's over. He saved basically two different cities and Holly's still not fucking with him. Can I give you, I had this for casting couch, a twist that would have made this movie better. The calling camp character, we make her Annabella Shura and John McClain's involved with her post-divorce

but she's dumped him because he's an alcoholic but she works in the police department with him and now we have a little sexual attention and she's pissed and blah blah and the movie's just better. You take the phone call. We have the meeting. Yeah, if that's a pitch.

It's just a better movie. And then it gives it a little bit more states. Oh, I got to call Holly. Oh, now I got to call her. Is Bedelia in any other diehard movies? I don't think so, right? And honestly, probably we talked about this. You could talk yourself to her not being in Die Hard 2.

I know they shoehorn her in. I think it's sort of like they basically make it. That's why John isn't like, I'm just going to turn this over to airport cops. It's a little shoe running. The Die Hard 3 is ridiculous. What stage is the worst? We get it. McLean has a bad headache.

He mentions it 42 times by like the ninth reference. Little stale. What else do you have? I mean, explosions in the New York City Financial District are a little touchy. And then this whole thing came out around the Oklahoma bombing. So they had to do a lot of like basically like preemptive press to say like it had nothing, you know, obviously we're not making light of this. But we're also. Yeah, Willis does the press tour for it.

And they're like, there will be no bombing questions. We're just talking about the movie. We made it a year ago. So probably that, I would say. The two age the worst. So McLean's policing. John gets to the point to where he just, if he thinks he just kills you.

Okay. Yeah. Like, he doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. If you have an Eastern European accent, you're dead. You're dead.

Like, particularly when he walks up on the guys and the thing, he just boom, boom, boom. I get it, though. He's in a combat situation. And although I like it aesthetically, the heist where there's been an explosion and there are five or ten dump trucks that are going down there and taking all of that goal

and the cops are just like, oh, okay, this guy's it. That just doesn't make that might sense. That's something that you have to believe in order for the movie to work. Do you know what actually also has aged the worst is probably the reputation of like city services? Because like in this movie,

when they're like, we're going to have to find the bomb ourselves and it's like the sanitation workers and the librarians and the firefighters are all just like, we're going to fucking walk into schools. There might be a bomb. We got to do it. And now it's kind of like everybody's like, I don't know, these guys that take too long to respond. Who needs libraries?

What's age worse? Well, they, even McTiernan has acknowledged this. The gold is just way heavier than this. The dump trucks. They would need like 100 dump trucks, right? They would have needed 480 dump trucks to take out as much gold as they took out. Each gold bar weighs 25 pounds.

One of the funny things is that they've only, completely fucked it up. There's in the Fed, the Federal Reserve, there's only apparently a billion and a half dollars or something like that. So where did they get the other $300 million? Oh, it was $174 billion. Yeah, they took some liberties. Okay. But it's like that's not even like a piece of the Lakers at this point. Right. Because the Lakers sold for $10 billion. $10 billion. Valuable. Valuable. Of all time. Ever. $10 billion. Yeah.

You got $4.8 billion for it. $4.8 billion. check, actually. 10 billion bucks, you know. And by the way, the the Minnesota championships don't count thing is absurd.

It's absurd. Okay, so if O.K.C. wins on Sunday. We're taping this before game seven. We should have a... Is OKC like, we've won our second title. Honestly, it's ridiculous. This is what you should do. If OKC wins on Sunday,

you should do like a live pod from Seattle congratulating them. Yeah, congratulations the Sonics fans for pulling off their second title. If the Sonics fans won a show, say that's our franchise? They can but it's the same franchise, right? You won 11 titles. It's fine. You've still won a shitload. They've won 17 titles. Five titles of

Minneapolis when then they moved to L. But it's the same franchise. And they just kept the name Lakers. It's not the Lakers family? Like what are you talking about? They're the Lakers though. They're still the Lakers though. It's bullshit. You win a title in a city. That's where you won the title. 17 championships. Minus. $10 billion valuation. 16 championships.

60. Wait, now you made me screw up my... Oh, okay. Boston blitzed your mind. No. The ending stinks. Yeah. It's bad.

This is the flaw in the movie. It's the what's age the worst. And then you can see the alternate movie, the alternate ending on the special edition, all the stuff. And it's on YouTube. I sent it to you guys. The actual end of this movie didn't happen.

McLean goes and finds him in Hungary and plays McLean says with Jeremy Irons and eventually kills him of the rocket launcher. And it's really interesting. It's the most interesting John McLean scene of the first three movies. And of course, the studio is like, this is too dark.

We can't end the movie this way. It's like he's a vigilante. Yeah. So they basically hustle this reshoot. They spent a lot of money on it. Oh, it's like, oh, it turns out because he has the location on that aspirin. It's crazy.

So there's like a idiotic. Like a Quebec bottle of aspirin means you know he's going to be back there now. Like literally at that location. And then there's a helicopter. And then they shoot him. And then it's like Zeus is just sitting on the sidewalk. Why is he in Quebec? If I'm Zeus, I've had enough.

Yeah. I'm not going to Quebec. I'm not going to. I know how it turns out. Yeah. Or when we get to Quebec, we're not going to go jump this guy and put the spotlight on him when he's trying to have sex with Katia we're gonna just go arrest him

or send in SWAT my legs fucked up yeah I'm gonna skip Quebec I've walked with a limp now what it where's my money for all of this uh it's really dumb so all right so we're gonna go now to my flex category

the Rough Lohanna Rubin and Partridge Joe Bracketing award that I mean Sam dials it up a couple of times Sam dials it up and Irons dials it up a couple of times Dan what's your flex category. It's the Ed Norton Reverse Dunk Award that this movie need a random sports scene.

You don't consider the brothers on the stoop. Yeah, there's some good passes. Yankee Stadium should have had a game going on. Well, yeah. Yankee Stadium should have had a game going on. There should have been a game going on. You know what I think happened? Wade Boggs, Don Maddenly, Paul O'Neill, Danny Tartable. All of those Yankees are the answer to you. What? I think the lockout had happened.

The strike. I think that's how they were able to film in a stadium. stadium just available for people to drop by and check it out? I think it was. I don't think there were games. But it should have been mentioned in the movie, though. I look back at that era, because that's right before the Yankee Golden era starts. Right. Year before.

Year before. They're in the 95 playoffs against Seattle. So, you know, some of these guys that would go on to become, you know, mainstays, it's pre-Geter. It's a good call. Yeah, but they should have been a game going on. Could have gone to, yeah, or they could have done the Met Stadium probably maybe. makes more sense for this movie. Yeah, probably.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? Not sure how hot this is. Okay. How hot is it to say it's the best diehard movie? And to go along with your points earlier, how hot is it to say that it's perhaps improved by not imperilling Holly, by not having that kind of like, like weight on McLean?

That it's really just more about him trying to save the city and save himself. diehard's one of the best movies of all time I'm just the hottest take award I think everybody needs to calm down on that take No I know I because I think there are people out there Who are like diehard 3 is the best diehard movie And not even hot as taking it Like they actually genuinely believe it

So it's interesting I wanted to say it But I didn't have the nuts for it But this is my favorite one That's fine I'm not saying that this is better than die hard right Because die hard's too groundbreaking it has a perfect ending

whereas this ending is not so Rocky 4 is my favorite Rocky movie or Rocky 3 I can't even remember this is my favorite one of those two is my favorite it changes all the time

it's not the best one but this is my I could see how people it's the most entertaining it's my favorite one yeah I think it's fair all right I'm going full hot good I think they blew it using the Simon Says gimmick for this movie

and I think it was a franchise and I think it was just sitting there And I don't know why. Initially, it was a script called Simon says written by the same screenwriter. Lethal weapon grabbed it, couldn't figure it out. It just overboughty. Give it to Die Hard 3 and they use it. I think it's either an action movie franchise or a horror movie franchise.

And I actually think you could say it's a better horror movie franchise. I mean, it just basically saw. Yeah. Yeah. They did saw. But the whole Simon says gimmick, I didn't say Simon that time. I think, I think I just see murders. blood and sequels with it.

Wouldn't it be crazy if we found out that Trump has been getting Simon says for like years? And like every day he gets a phone call. It's like Simon says you got to do this and he's like, fuck, all right, I got to tweet this out. Right. That's actually kind of the plot of Captain America Brave New World.

Well, so Simon says it was supposed to be a Brandon Lee movie and then he died. He passed away, yeah. So if he doesn't die and Simon says just because like could they have made like five Simon Says it's been 30 years we literally could probably get Simon Says going right now Jack does your generation care about Simon says

Sure okay oh yeah I played that oh yeah interesting You know what I didn't see And maybe I missed this why did Joel Silver not produce this movie They had a falling out Yeah who had a falling out I think he had a fallen out. I think he had a fallen out Willis

Oh him willis okay cool You know Willis was feeling it a little bit He was married to Demi Moore Joel, a combative personality, I think. Yeah, I think Joe wasn't. I think because that was, there was a piece in the research about like Shane Black was maybe going to write this when it was Joel Silver. And then it didn't. Interesting that Joel Silver, this movie does not get made with Lawrence Fishburn.

And he goes on to make the Matrix. I think this is true. I'm not positive for casting what ifs. We did Fishburn, but that Sean Connery was their first choice for Simon. Heard. Yeah, I saw it. So we think that's true? I mean, I think he makes the phone.

I saw that in the research, but Sean said he didn't want to play like a... It's such a... But then he... Remember they did Medicine Man, though. Remember the Medicine Man movie? I just think that movie bombs if he's... I don't think it's the same movie. I don't think it works.

Yeah. I don't buy him as like an evil. Plus him trying to do a German accent. Also, Irons when he takes the... He's like got the tank top on. He's ripped. Yeah, she doesn't work. When did Sean...

Has Sean gone bad in anything? Fantasy? No. Atlanta Connery Has Connery gone bad in anything? Besides

He in like the 70s stuff He's like I mean I haven't seen Hunt for Red October But is he a bad guy in that? He defects

To know So does that count? No he defects To the Americans The Americans Is that streaming? What is this Hunt for Red October thing?

I'm not in on this joke It's a white whale for CR It's like one of the most Oh you've never seen that before No I'm not I like it We just haven't done it yet and CR.

And he keeps giving me, like, he's Simon saysing me. He's like, Simon says if you want to do one for October, you got to watch it in sight movies. A phenomenal. I'm waiting until CR becomes a divorced alcoholic. Then we're going to do it.

Showed up. Just fucking smoke and sakes. God, CR, you look like shit. He's bringing this little airport liquor bottles with him, pouring his coffee. McTiernan turned down Batman forever so he could do this. That's a good casting with him. Best That Guy Award.

is Colleen Camp count or are she calling Camp? I think she's calling Camp. The Kevin Chamberlain is bomb expert Charles Weiss. Yeah. The bald guy with the glasses. Yeah. Just if you saw him after that, it would be this. But I think the answer is Walter Cobb.

Larry Brighman. Larry Brighman. Never knew what his name was. And big time New York theater actor. He's in the Al Pacino Richard the third movie that got made like a little bit after this. But he's like, in that movie, you can see he's like a big time. And he's in Injustice Farad. Yes.

Yeah. I had Anthony Peck as Walsh is up there. He's also in Hunt for October. John Domen, who's Rawls from the wire, is the construction foreman when they go into the tunnels. And I don't know if this is that guy, but it's a that guy. Like if you know, you know, is Elvis Duran. Oh, yeah, Rayo guy. Young Elvis Duran.

Yeah. Young Elvis Duran. I have Phyllis Yvonne Stickney. the black lady who says in the movie who says everybody just called 911 at the same time a mainstay you see her everywhere she's Malcolm X all different types of roles shout out to her I don't want to call her

she's a fantastic career by so I want to shout her up I'd never do this but I have to go back to a movie we did last week because I messed up a best that guy award okay and it really bothered me all week because I didn't realize it was the same person best marathon man that guy So the guy who recognizes Zell

But doesn't recognize him right away And then follows him on the sidewalk I think it's Was also the gardener At the beginning of bad news bears Breaking Training Oh shit Who was like

What was up with Marathon man And Bad News Bears breaking training In bad news they use him He's like basically the special needs gardener And they pretend he's the coach And Kelly League teaches him How you had to say hello How are you?

How bad do you want to do bad news bears breaking training? I just can't play. I love that movie and I can't believe I missed it. Is that the Astro World one? Astrodome. Astrodome one? Astrodome. Kelly League drives, he's 13.

I'm sorry. That was controversial bad news bears when they went to Astro world. Travis Scott takes over the league team. They lose a couple of the kids. Kelly League drives the van to the Astrodome. Yeah, they go play. Yeah. Against the, they play against the Houston Toros.

The Houston Toros, yeah. And then there's another one where they play against the Japanese team. We don't talk about that. That's the sequel. we don't discuss. Dionne Waiter's a word? It's San Phillips. It's San Phillips.

Without a doubt. That's easy. Or there's only one more person. The Chester A. Arthur truck driver. Oh, Jerry. Yeah. Jerry comes in.

By Joe's a loom. Cooks for a little bit. Solves a riddle. Gets the fuck out of Dodge. We did. I already did my recasting couch of Annabelle Siora in Collin Camp with some history of John McLean. If Joe Pantiliano is in here as Walter Cobb,

I'm not going to argue. Or like as the, I mean, Graham Green's really good. Joe Panelaun is in the movie. I'm not going to argue. This is like peak Joey pants. I feel like we could have snuck him in somewhere. But him is Walter Cobb, just getting mad at McLean and calling him a drunk. I don't think the movie's worse.

Yeah. What do you have? For recasting. I was thinking more about city. Could this have been in any other city? San Francisco. Because L.A. It's just, you're just in traffic and you're dead.

Simon wins. Simon says Do the collateral drive of L-A-X to downtown 20 minutes. Simon says go to Eagle Rock. Fuck! It's going to take three hours. What, they're putting in a bike lane in Hollywood Boulevard.

I'm dead. Half-ass internet research. So they were trying to make Die Hard 3 for a couple years. And Bruce is just rejecting scripts left and right. And especially because there had been so many diehard ripoffs. But one of the scripts was called Troubysh, which had McLean fighting terrorists on a Caribbean cruise line. Speed two.

And Bruce Will said, no, thanks. Sounds too much like under siege. They repurpose it, make it speed two. Can I do a little number here? Because I was looking at IMTV. Yes, that's speed, speed two. It literally became speed two. And one of the issues with them developing this at the time was that there were so many studios had so many scripts in development that were just diehard in a, you know, like that was basically.

So here are some of the ones that they had going at the time. But some of them got made, some didn't. Sandblast, which was die hard in a sandstorm. No safe haven. Die hard on Martha's Vineyard. Rissillo, let's go. Oh, my God. Track down.

Die hard in English channel tunnel. Wait, what was the Martha? Sandblast. No safe haven was died. Can we make that now with Rosillo? Rissillo is... He's the leader. He's John McLean.

He's got the tanker. He's a sports podcaster, like hanging out Martha's Vineyard. He's all the vineyard. Him and Chris Long go out for a really long night on Martha's Vineyard. They're hung over. And then it's like the fairies. They're not running. So track down is diehard in the English Channel tunnel.

Suspension. Diehard on the George Washington Bridge. platform and rig were both die hard on oil rig movies. High Roller was diehard in Vegas, which is basically Conner at the end, I guess. Right?

Yeah, but they never... Vegas was still sitting there in the 90s as a full action movie. You could have done die hard. By the way, sitting there right now. Yeah. What else? In contempt, die hard in a courthouse.

He Who Dare's Die Hard in the British Embassy in the United States. I feel like you're making these up. No, these are all from my MDB. L4, Die Hard. to center for disease control. And a bunch of diehard in hurricanes. And Tyhar,

Wuhawn. Yeah. Tyhorne. Yeah. We got to keep the virus in. That's actually, you got to kill the terrorists, but you got to keep the virus in.

Yeah. They're going to release this if we don't stop them. Damn. Man, that Martha's Vineyard one. What a great location for an action movie. There's no way in,

no way out. And you could have like maybe Rissillo like over the course of the movie he falls in love with like a yuppie girl who's only there for the summer. Right. Diehard Catalina is sitting there too. Driving around with buggies.

Yeah, just like waiting at Catalina. Oh my God, such a pain and they has to get there. And then it's just the island, you know. The screenwriter Jonathan Hensley was detained by the FBI because the Federal Gold Reserve stuff in this movie was so accurate that they thought he had like inside.

tell. Actually brought him in for questioning. What was his research? Where did you get it from? Where did you get his stuff? He just said he read everything in a New York Times. Bruce Willis' sandwich board was blank. Yeah.

They didn't want to take the chance. They CGI did it. Yeah, they thought it was offensive. Yeah. And then, Ben, how did they do the four-gallon drug thing? Just want to see if you could do this right now. I can't. The four-gallon drug thing.

jug thing, I really don't know how you would do it. I told you I would die during that. I have no idea. Like if the idea is that you can't subtract, you can't be off by a couple of ounces, then I wouldn't be able to do it. You take the three gallon jug, you pour all of it into the five gallon jug. So now there's three in there. You take the three gallon jug again, you pour all of it into the five gallon jug,

but only two of the gallons go, one gallon stays in the three gallon jug. But how do you know you only got one gallon? left. So you keep that one gallon in the three gallon jug because you've poured five of the six gallons. Oh, okay. Yeah. Then you pour out the five gallon jug. You take the one gallon that's left

in the three gallon jug. You pour that into the five gallon jug. So now that has one gallon. Then you do the three gallon pour it in the four. That's actually pretty smart. Okay. Well, how about this? Since it's so easy. What we'll do because you're talking your shit

right now, that's fine. I'm not talking about shit. I'm just saying it. It actually wasn't that hard. The other one I think was way hard. There's a room over there. Get Fanduil to fucking sponsor it. The Bill Simmons Jugg challenge

for the Ringer Network. And I will take odds and we'll make bets about whether or not you can get this done. But we have to switch it up. Yeah. Switch up the numbers. He's obviously nailed.

But if you really feel like you can do this, I already said I can, I already said how to do it. We'll figure out. a different one. The Bill Simmons Jug Challenge. You just wanted to do the Bill Simmons Jugs Challenge. That's where that was all going.

Apex Mountain. Bruce Willis? No. Well, you could say that these couple of years are, but I don't know, man. I think there's a case that's right here. I think you make a case that's right here. Okay. Okay. I mean, I want to hear the case. Well, so he's red hot as an actor. Yeah. Then it dies down. Then he has pulp in 94 and this and 95.

And that leads to the 12 Monkeys Armageddon, and 5thelham and siege, 6 cents, whole 9 yards. This is his run. I feel like he's kind of the number one call in 95 for anything with action or kind of cool anything, right? Like, Hank's is like, Hank's has the Hank's corner. Yeah.

I just think Bruce, this is it. Yeah. I think he has, I think if you're making a movie, It's like, can we get Hanks? Can we get Bruce? Can we get Cruz? Right. Those are the first three calls.

That's who you mean. Can we get the guys played Targo? Yeah. And when you talk about like culturally, the Demi Moore. Yeah. Yeah. Also like Demi Moore, this is right around when she got the 20 million for Strip T's. I think it was 12.

But yeah. As a couple. Well, you just Lakers valuationed him. Yeah, exactly. As a couple, it's about as good as it gets for a couple. Yeah. He's a huge, huge star. Yeah.

Sam Jackson, I don't think so, but I also couldn't tell you when it was. Maybe Jackie Brown? No, I think it's later. I think it's this area. This area doing pulp and diehard. I still feel like it's like how long is this guy going to be up here? And then at some point that flipped. He's just done so many different types of movies.

It would be difficult to pin down, like when he was the most relative. and most at the peak of his powers because he maintained. It's somewhere in the 90s that. We can agree on that, right? Maybe. But at some point he became like, oh, Sam Jackson is just here now and that's how it's going to be. Maybe, but you didn't argue that it's.

Sam's curious. Yeah. You know. So maybe when he gets Star Wars. That's 99. Yeah. So it's right around there. Yeah.

Jeremy Irons probably went in the Oscar. Or a marching call. How about Harlem as a movie location? Shit, no. What would you have? Harlem as a movie location? Yeah, in a movie. I mean, I said that so quickly, and now...

What about Harlem Knights? I mean, not very well-liked movie. I think it's had a... A re-reckoning. No, I know. But it was a bomb when it came out. So, you got Harlem Knights, you got the Cotton Club, you got Hoodlum.

These are all going to be black movies. You got... I don't know. I just wouldn't think about Harlem as a movie location die hard with the vengeance being... It's only like in Harlem briefly. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't think. What about a movie set during the summer?

Like summer movie. Action movies maybe. Okay. That needed the summer as part of what they were doing. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. The Wall Street school system. Yeah, for sure.

Apex Mountain. We've ever discussed before since. Gold Reserve. Bond with Teller 100%. For sure. 100%. Maybe the first and last time it's been mentioned in the film.

Colleen Camp, who's your girl, the cigarette smoker? Sam Phillips. Sam Phillips, all of them. Cruiser Hanks for this. Oh, I got a couple of other Apex Monson.

Go, let's hear. Die heart sequels? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. John McLean's sidekicks. Yes. Yes. So this is

bigger than Dale Johnson, bigger than Justin Long. Who's the dude in two that helps him with the air traffic control. He barely has a, like, a partner in that movie. Yeah. So John McLean Sok is, this is definitely an apex mountain of John McSachian.

Cruise or Hanks? To me, easy cruise. The running. Cruise is McLean? Yeah. I could also see Cruz as Simon. Oh. Blonde Cruz?

OCR. Now we're talking. That fucking rocks. OCR. Trying to do a German accent? Yeah. Say OCR one more time. and it's got a

gigantic pause all right Bill Simmons Juggs movie no that's actually awesome so Cruz with the collateral hair yeah he just goes blonde tries a German accent like Valky he tries it for like 10 minutes

and then he's like I forget it What thing would Cruz have learned how to do He probably Learned how to do all the construction stuff He's like we don't need Targo I can do all that I've actually studied gold What if you drop the racial component

Cruises Zeus It's Cruz and Hanks Together Why I dropped the racial component Why not have Cruz running an electronic store In Harlem Just be like hey I'm the first gentrifier Yeah I'm the guy

Like everybody knows them They love me here Scorsese or Spielberg, I would say Scorsese. Yeah, Marty, New York City. What role would Phil Hoffman have played? Simon. Yeah. We're good. He also be good. He also would be good.

The weed cop with a or you could have done maybe the Graham Green part. Yeah. That would have been funny. Pickin' Nits. John. We mentioned everything being open at 745 in this neighborhood is a little

dicey. Zeus leaves the store, doesn't lock up, nothing. Just leaves it open. well I mean it's not like that I think he tries to get back to his store in multiple times yeah never says at any point we hear about holly 45 times we never hear zoos stay over the next 15 hours shit I left my store open he's also a staple in the community so maybe they're not going to run doesn't he think his stores getting destroyed though yeah oh he said those guys are all he does say that yeah because he does actually he does say that because he just felt like he'd be a little be on his mind a tiny bit more that his entire livelihood is about to because because he's like he'd be a little bit more that his entire livelihood is about to because he's because he's he's He stuck up from McLean and he says what those guys are doing to my store right now. Yeah. He does say that. How did Simon know that McLean wore the sign?

He's, it seems like they are watching them at any moment. Like he knows like when they're in the van with the FBI. Oh, he's watching the NSA guy that they're like, are you still, you know, putting your glasses in your mouth to push up? Let's talk this out. He's got a hundred people working for him because we see them all at the end. There's a lot of guys. Yeah, there's a lot of dudes. He's got two football teams of people.

Well, yeah. Is there like a Mike Frable meet the group moment in three months before the highest? Hey, guys. I'm Simon Gruber. So you guys are going to do this? There's some kind of paramilitary organization

or something like that. Yeah, they're all like mercenaries. But you're asking, does Simon Gruber have a Connor Stallions who's constantly on rooftops looking at McLean? Yeah, it's like, well, the dudes in Yankee Stadium.

He's like Luther. you're going to be, you're going to do drive the truck with me and Bobby. You're going to be over, you're going to be in Harlem making sure McLean's going to wear that sign. Yeah. Like how, or did they just put a camera there? Well, my unanswerable question for this, which is tied directly to this, is how many of these tasks did Grubber reasonably expect McLean complete? And how did he know they were being completed? I mean, whatever he was doing, he was obviously keeping them busy until.

But if they fucked the St. Ives thing up, was there even a bomb in the trash can? Well, you know, at the end, when they ask him, they go, there was never any bomb in the school where he goes, I'm not a soldier. I'm not a monster. Right. So I don't know how many people. But he does blow up the train. And the train, if it stayed on the train, would it kill thousands or hundreds of people? Yeah, so I'm going to go, maybe you were a monster. You're about to blow up 200 people.

Right. But he had to blow them up to achieve his goal because he needed to go in there. So yeah, definitely a monster, though. We mentioned the 480 dump trucks. My inner nipick for me, I think movies fucked this up a lot. I just think McLean is just covered in blood. Yeah, I had our main characters. I think blood is every, I think he's had sprains.

I think about Marvin getting his brains all over like Sam Jackson's hair and Pulp Fiction. Getting shot point blank. There's four Marvin's in the elevator. Like there's just stuff all over, John McLean. So let's take it a step further. If I bang my shin in the middle of the night, like getting back into bed, I'm limping for like a day. they get a train derailment, they get shot,

Zeus gets shot, they get splinters from a winch wire stuck in shoulders, they get trapped in a flood, then shot through a manhole cover, flip a Mercedes traveling at high speed, fall halfway off a bridge onto a hard surface,

and they're more or less like walking around. Excuse me, and McLean gets hit it and headed with a bottle. Yeah. This character, the John McLean character is the same character from Unbreakable. That's him in Unbreakable.

It has to be. Because he is so, fucked up. There's actually one scene where he's all fucked up, blood everywhere, and it's almost as if the water rejuvenates him because he tastes the water, he wipes the blood off, and then he's fine. He's ready to go back in the game. It's hung over. Just needs some ass. I got a couple

picking nits. Go. So McLean doesn't even think about taking the $12 billion. Right. Or even just being like, what's important is we each get a gold bar here. Right. So the gold bars are everywhere. He says, we'll make a deal. 12. Think about the stakes here. People are going to look at Van like he's an asshole, but I have to just put it

out there. This is not like, hey, we got a suitcase full of a half a million for you, $200,000, but it's $12 billion. McLean, Boy Scout, doesn't even think about it, doesn't go, ah, or doesn't even tell Zeus or somebody else.

They did offer us $12 billion. It's happened in Marathon man last week. Yeah. Hoffman just could have left with all the diamonds. He's like, no, I'm too good for the diamonds. Or a diamond. Yeah. A dime. That's tuition for the rest of the Columbia. Yeah.

Secondly, the henchmen that are in this are all six foot four German dudes with crew cuts. Yeah. There's just no fucking way you're going to believe that these guys are cops or guys that work on Wall Street. Yeah. And all fucks this up when they all arrive. Yeah. And all these guys get off and Simon gets off the truck. It's like, hey there, partner.

And it's like, why is there like a fake German Texan man who's in charge of city services here? Like, who's going to do all the, like, demolition work? Simon was like Sam Presti. Like he liked length and athleticism. Right. A lot of 3 and D guys. We didn't talk about the biggest picking knit. McLean, first of all, he drowns in the tunnel.

But even if you're going to say he doesn't and the thing shoots him out, he gets shot up in the air. Who's driving by Zeus Carver coming back from Yankee Stadium? Hey! What's all? It's fucking ridiculous. That's where, like, to me, that's the jump the start. shark moment of this movie. You're like, all right, this is now getting stupid.

I do for the same way that you were, you were talking about how you'd like to test yourself with the water jug thing, I do want to do the move that McLean does where he's like, take the anti-lock brakes off. That's a badass fucking shot, bro. Yeah, that was good. And every time I see, I'm like, yeah, man, our anti-lock brakes holding me back? Last one is a big one. Did you have any? anymore? No.

No. Oh, just the German thing. Like the second you hear a German accent, you're like, wait a second. Right. Simon's this mastermind. Yeah. Planned everything out meticulously. And then just gives McLean the aspirin bottle that has the address of where you got the

aspirin bottle. Well, also, how did Simon think he was going to get away with all the dumpsters being full of like metal pieces on Targo? Just wouldn't be like, sorry about your headache, John. Yeah. Tell them to keep the bottle. basically tells him, hey, there's the bottle. Why don't you check it out?

It's like he wanted to get caught. Yeah, maybe. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, I'll podcast around Touchable where they did multiple sequels. You guys didn't like live free or die hard, not even a little bit. I thought Oliphant's good, in it.

I thought it was pretty cool, yeah. If I'm on an airplane and I don't have a lot of choices, maybe. Hacking is a good diehard thing. No. Saw it in theaters. Me too. Oh, I did too.

I sought the day of the NBA draft. Yeah. What a day for you. you. Well, I was trying to get ready to write the running diary needed, went to it like an 11 o'clock diehard four at the Grove to kind of

take my mind off it and was disappointed. I'm sorry you heard that. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trail, Dorisberg, same Jackson, no, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harley-Maze, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, long legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm.

Got to do one more DB. before the, you know, as we end the NBA season. And I fucked up by never mentioning that earlier in the playoffs, she said, bonjour, Mr. Hartenstein. So I would probably go, D.B. saying, oh, Fiedershens, Herr, Gruber. Simon Gruber, just a mastermind. You've played through headaches, but we see you.

He sees the whole city. As a launching pad, just one Oscar who gets it. Man. McTiernan. Yeah. Direction. Is there an Irons case? No.

No? That doesn't do enough. Out of curiosity, what was this Oscar's year? No chance for anything. Yeah. 95 was rough. Unanswerable questions. What's the next day like with the newspaper coverage?

What's the lead story? Is it the subway? Bill, that's a fucking awesome question. So, like, let's actually... Can we be specific about how does the New York Post cover it? Bonwetelo blowing up? Times covers it? So you have...

New York's under attack? What are the headlines? You have multiple explosions. You have the flood. You have McLean himself. Then you have somebody getting cut in half on a boat. You have a boat blowing up. You have a school.

You have a... Because a lot of stuff doesn't quite happen. I think the number one story is the something. subway crash. Subway crash is on the front page. I think it's almost a New York under attack. Kind of, because the bombs in the school. Madman gets away.

Finding a bomb in a school is a fucking crazy story. But they didn't. You know what I mean? Like it's like it's an almost story. Yeah, it is. It's a part of the narrative. Then Simon dies. So they get, they got his face on the deal.

This is the mastermind of the New York. It would have been cool. Simon had made it a multi-day thing so that we could have had New York Post, Simon says we're dead. Yeah. Yeah. It could have been like an eight-day thing. And then the other thing I was thinking was 1994, which was an amazing time in New York City, because you had the Rangers, you had the Knicks. You had the heyday of Mike and the Dog.

And then you have diehard filming in New York, probably Apex Mountain. Wait, you're skipping a very important question. What? How do Mike and the dog react to this? Well, so that was my third thing. If this is really New York City, what is the next day Mike and the Dog? Well, so, or is it 1995, Mike and the Dog or in 1994? I don't know what is it.

We have. Because they're filming this in 94. But I, because the movie came out of May 95, we have to assume it happened in May 95. So the Knicks are in the playoffs. And I think dogs like, Mike, we got to talk about what's going out in New York City later. But first game three, Nick's Paces. Let's talk about, what is Huey got to do? Later on, we're going to talk about

how things blowing up, Mike. It was a huge day in New York. I just went to Bonwit last week. I went to Bonwit three weeks ago. It's staple of the city. But driving through Central Park, dog, it's just crazy.

I just can't believe they did that. Yeah, I think they get to it in the second hour. Take some calls. Yeah. And then we got to talk Rangers, Mike. Yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie?

I want her knife. The scythe. The little sithe that she has. That was good. I thought I wanted a gold bar, but it's going to be a fake gold bar. How much is one of those gold bars were? I'd want one of the bricks. It'd be like a game used diehard gold brick.

Bricked up. Movie used. How much would one actual gold bar like that for real? So apparently they're 25 pounds. But how much is it worth? A 25 pound gold. Depends on the price of gold. Yeah, at any given moment.

I know, I understand financial shit, but like, what's the ball? Well, I don't. It would depend on gold by the pounds. So what is it by the pound? If it's like $100 by the pound, then that's the price. So it's a brick. See? They always say buy

gold. It's like gold never goes down. I can't hear this out. Okay. I'm going to do this. I'm sure somebody will email us. It's $108 by the gram today. By the gram. $3,300 by the ounce. $3,300 by the ounce. That's what's how many ounces in a pound?

Fucking math. Gold price per ounce, $3,367 right now. So each brick was like over $100,000. Yeah. Look at you. Jugs. Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson. What do you got?

If we can beat racism, we can beat Europe. Yeah. they work together. They beat racism. And then they beat the Germans just like we did in fucking 44, baby. I love it. I was going to say, just don't count out the divorced alcoholics in your life.

They never know when you're going to surprise you. Yeah. I was going to say from the piece of memorabilia that I would want is the packaged shirt they hand John McLean at the police station to be like, here, you got to put something else on. And then I would wear that shirt from my entire alcoholic era of five casting.

If the sandwich board was, get the fuck out of you. I don't want to have to defend. And you're at somebody's house. And they're like, yo, I have the sandwich board.

Do you want it? You know, it's funny? Is it all the random shit? You know, if he wore that in Boston, people would be like, hey, man,

how's it going? Come on. What the hell? Can I get one of those? Yeah. What did you get that at? Would you want the blank sandwich board? No.

No, I don't want the blank sandwich board. Pretty good artifact from the 90s movies. I would have wanted to neither. Best double feature choice. I'm going to die hard. Oh, okay. Go die hard right to die hard three. That's good.

Skip die hard too, which is kind of in its own universe. You know what I got? Under siege. I got the siege. Oh, because it's another New York. That's really good.

All whatever with Bruce Willis, who kind of starts off like he's going to be the hero and that. I still haven't decided whether I like that movie. And it came out like almost 30 years ago. every time I look at it. I might have to watch it again. My dad's here all weekend. Maybe I'll make them watch it.

It gets better every time I look at it. It's really good Denzel. And it's really good Bullis. Like an off-kilter kind of Annette Benning? I would probably I'll just go Pulpiction. Who won the movie?

I'm going to say Sam Jacks. Oh. Because I think... I had Sam as well. It's the breath of fresh air that the franchise needed. It's one of the, those rare moments

when you can tell I don't know if this is literally true but at least on screen you can tell that the star is happy to share the screen with the person and is like you got this scene like you can you can make fun of me you can like make me look stupid you can make me look small

minded or whatever I love acting with you and I think he just gives this movie a new life I'm gonna go will it's just hard to beat the character of a of John McLean I think Sam Jackson wins because Pulp Fiction no longer becomes a fluke. That's what you mean.

He is now there. He can help carry a major, major movie, and now the rest of his career falls in the place. And the movie stands the test of time. People love it. Like, CR was at what theater we were at? Vidiates. On Sunday night.

How many people? Pacts house. People loving it. Yeah, on a Sunday night. Have you guys done, have we done, the last Boy Scout? Yeah. Yeah. Left-handed throw is tough.

I don't know why they had to sink that in. Let me ask you, what is more intriguing to you? Florida Keys Month or New Orleans month? What do we got for the Keys? Yeah, what's in there? Out of time. Oh, shit. Out of time is that shit?

What's the Hackman movie? When I say I've been scouting out of time, it's like the fucking Maverick studying Cooper flag tape at this point. Like, it's going to happen this summer. Just telling you. Here's the only thing about New Orleans month versus Florida Keys month. It really comes down to, in my opinion,

a battle between Angel Heart and out of time. And like, which movie do you want to do more? And that is a tough decision to make. An Angel Heart, New Orleans has Heaven's Prisoner. Fucking unhinged. It's on the list.

Heaven's Prisoners, Angel Heart. What are the other two New Orleans movies? Big Easy. I mean, I would say we should do it. Can I throw a Florida Keys? Let's do it again. Have you ever watched that? one.

Let's do it again. What movie? Let's do it again. Oh, let's do it again. Uptown Saturday night with Bill Cosby and. Oh, you're going way back. And then let's do it again. How about tightrope with Clint Eastwood?

Tightrope with Clint Eastwood. Going through the French quarter looking for a sexual assault turn. Kind of gets pulled in. Is in too deep. He's getting into the dark side. Maybe we should do Into Deep Month. Crossing the line with. Crossing the line month.

Tightrope's a good one. Yeah. He's like, you know what? I kind of like the dark side of the French quarter. We could re-eight millimeter. Well, that would be a good time to do the Re-Miamese vites. We're doing that live in L.A. My favorite Florida Keys, I think, is Nightmoops,

which is about Hackman plays an ex-Full-Ball player turned Private Eye, who has to go search for the teenage daughter of a B-movie actress in the Keys. Wild Things is Keys, too, right? Wild Things is Keys. Wait. Wild Things might just be Miami.

I think it's the Keys. Is it? We could do South Florida. We could do South Florida Month and get Scarface in finally. South Florida Month. South Florida Month will be Scarface Wild Things. South Florida Month. South Florida Month.

Yeah. Scarface Wild Things. That gets a little more interesting. I feel like the keys are the most underrated movie location. Miami Blue TV. What was that Netflix show? Bloodline. Really use the key. Nice. Good first season, yeah.

I just can't think of that many movies that are set in the keys that like besides the ones I'm upset that New Orleans hasn't been in more movies. Like it stands in for everything. They shoot so much there. But there's a ton that we're forgetting. There's obviously the movie the big easy. Did you like that movie? What's the?

I did, but it has an age great. What's the Alex Baldwin? Pretty dated. The Heaven's Prisoners is a classic. Yeah. So let me, there's, there's films on it. We're just, we're not, we're not thinking about them. And then there are a lot of movies.

I knew you'd be here. Basha. Hey, can I tell you something about that? That movie is the movie where I realized that it wasn't quite going to happen for Alec Ball. Is Angel Hart, New Orleans? It is. Come on,

Sierra. That's what I thought. Louis Iephy. Because heaven's... That's the movie that gets the rewatch was canceled from Spotify. They're like, we'd no longer like... Can I be real? When you go back and you look at that movie, there was a lot of scandal around it during that time,

it ages actually better than some of the other films that, I mean, obviously she's doing wild shit in the movie. Cliff Huxdable's daughter being in that movie was the single craziest thing that happened in 1980s. I would put it against anything else that happened in the 80s. It was a conversation. You can't even understand what that was like. My mother was like, what is that girl doing?

Because the movie was at New Orleans was a big deal. like my mother was like what is that girl doing? Like because it was like Angel Heart was a devil worshiping movie and stuff like that. Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. That was America's family. Yeah.

Still can't believe it. You could also do like just hearing rumors about oh, there's a big sex scene in this movie. It's like with Lisa Bonnet? Covered in blood. And then you go to the movie and you actually see it and you're like, uh, I just,

I, you could also do controversy month. Movies that went crazy with... Oh, really controversial films. Really controversial films. Yeah, could almost be like, holy fuck, this was a big deal month. Yeah.

AngelR was one of those. Well, then there was the whole thing with Angel Heart about whether they actually had sex or not. That would be a good month. Did they actually have sex or not? Don't look... Yeah. Monsters Ball.

There's some talk. There's some talk. There's talk. Don't look now with Julie Christie, Donald Sutherland. That was a famous one. Yeah. Last Hangle in Paris was there a talk?

Can't remember that one. Yeah. That one was problematic. Yeah. Yeah, that became a problematic one later. There's been over the years. There's been, there was one where the couple, oh, Alck Baldwin and Kim Basinger in the getaway.

And they get away. Maybe they took some liberties. See, this is my thing with Alec Baldwin. I don't know, I know we've got to wrap up, but all of these movies mean something to me. The getaway, I fucking loved. Heaven's Prisoners, I loved. I like these movies, but people just,

they weren't fucking with him. Like, it just wasn't. I think they were fucking with him. They knew deep down. What was lurking in there. He was like making some weird choices. Yeah. I mean, he talked his way out of Jack Ryan.

It's not like they were like, you know, this fuck run for October. We gotta get it. Where do you stand on the Mexican? Uh, the Brad Pitt one. Yeah. Julie Roberts. Gandalfini.

Sorry, once or twice. Don't really have a real. It's not very good, but Gandalfini's great in that movie. Yeah. Gandofini was just great for the entire night. And nobody was kind of on it. It's already true romance.

Eight millimeter. You're so demented in true romance, yeah. Yeah, whatever. But like he was like fantastic. And then once again, kind of gets to that point. I don't know. It doesn't happen as much anymore to me where by the time Tony Soprano comes around, you go, oh, so it's his turn now.

They're finally giving them something. Right. Good. Watch swingers with my wife and my daughter and her boyfriend who is in town. and my wife was insisting that they would like it and he was like, all right, they're not going to like it. We watch it. They both loved it.

Oh, that's good. Yeah, swingers. Still, like, really solid. Movies almost 30 years old. We did it only rewatchfuls a million years ago. But I was, like, surprised how much they liked it. That's cool. Yeah.

Yeah. You never know what's going to age and not age. Yeah, I wonder if they would like go, for instance. We let go. We let go. I love swingers, but I always, think about the scene where Fabro's character calls that girl like 90 times. That's what they were going nuts with a loser he was.

And that, that is so tough to watch. He has like three or four scenes in that movie. My daughter was like, oh my God, what's wrong with this guy? But she kind of liked it. But it's a really fun snapshot of L.A. Even as the years past, and L.A. has changed since we've even been here. Yeah. Just what L.A. was like back then pre-Internet.

Last thing I'll say, there's no. defining piece of whatever of L.A. culture like now. And that's what some of these things kind of missed. During that time, it was like, oh, my God, I want to go to L.A. because it's like, I mean, there's Beverly Hills 9-210. There's Melrose Place. There's Swingers. There's even entourage.

And then entourage. There's indie movies happening. For the next generation. And now cities having personalities like that, everything's so homogenous. It's kind of like doesn't exist unless I'm missing some stuff. stuff? No, I mean, I think the last big LA thing was probably insecure. Listen, I hope Joanna.

Insecure is great. Hopefully, Joanna didn't hear that because we're trying to come in certain with L.A. I mean, L.A.'s great. It's so cool here. There's so many different awesome pockets. It's telling me. It's very politically active. It's really a special place. They got great cats here. Yeah. I like your point about Die Hard with a vengeance just ending 30 minutes in because

somebody couldn't have gotten from Manhattan Beach to Brentwood. Fuck. How do I get to Bradwick? 405's clogged. All right. Chris Ryan. Thank you. Van Lathan. Thank you. Jack Sanders. Is your mic on or no? It is. What was your take on Die Hard with a vengeance? I think when Bruce Willis found out that Sam Jackson was going to be his co-star in this film, it was the closest any person on the planet Earth has felt to the moment when LeBron James found out the Cavs traded for Kevin Love. Oh, shit. Wow. Look at Jack. Jack.

I just think like this is my favorite diehard. I think it's better than the original one personally, even though I think there are plenty of Knicks to Pitt. Yeah. But when Sam Jackson shows up in the beginning of the movie, you're locked in. Yeah. He's,

he elevates the movie so much. It's amazing. He's about to get killed. Tell him somebody's about to get killed. I was afraid to even go to Jack after the Mets got annihilated by the Braves. I didn't know what kind of stated. Not worried. But I thought that was pretty coherent.

It's a long season. Yeah. All right, guys. Great seeing you. Great senior.