The Rewatchables - ‘Disclosure’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Wosny Lambre

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Wosny Lambre pour themselves a glass of 1991 Pahlmeyer Chardonnay as they rewatch the spicy 1994 corporate thriller ‘Disclosure,’ starring Michael Douglas, Demi Moore, and Donald Sutherland. FOR TICKETS TO THE LIVE DEN OF THIEVES TAPING IN LOS ANGELES ON DEC 16th -  CLICK HERE Watch this episode on our Ringer Movies YouTube channel! Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Michael Douglas, to me more. You have no idea which you're up against. We'll see. Disclosure, Redid R. Now Blaine. All right, so, I don't know why three guys are doing this movie. I just want to acknowledge it coming out of the gate. It's a corporate intrigue. erotic thriller.

We don't have to do that anymore. Oh, in Trump's America? We're fine. The reason we're doing this is because this is now one of the funniest movies of the 90s. I have no idea how to even explain how this movie happened. I saw it in the theater.

I was excited to see it in the theater. It did really well in the box office. And then the years start passing and the internet forms in the shape and habits change and people change. And now this movie is like, how the fuck did this happen? Was, you suggested it.

So, during the picture, pandemic, 2020, early 2021, like, I was watching damn their three movies a day. Yeah. Yeah. And between whatever your different streamers have available, sometimes you just end up on Amazon or YouTube and just rent movies.

And, you know, when you're renting a movie, you get to watch the trailer first. And I'm like, all right, do me more? Michael Douglas. Yeah. Okay. You know, basically what I miss. Exactly. Yeah. And I'd never even heard of the movie before, much less seen it. So I

popped it in and you know you think you're in some sort of erotic thriller which there's definitely a lot of elements to that in a movie but it turns into something completely different throughout the course of it and I just was fascinated by it as a document honestly did you what's your history of this movie van how many years uh going all the way back to I had that scene on one of my mixtapes that I had back in the day oh no I had VCR mixtapes of different things and I had that scene on one in the mixtapes. Oh, no. So, here we go.

Okay, we're off. What I remember about the movie was the bait and switch that people felt when they saw it. Yep. Because Michael Douglas, a couple of years before that, had done basic instinct.

Of course. And a couple years before that, fatal attraction. So this was the third in what people thought was going to be the erotic trilogy of Michael Douglas.

Those two movies have pretty outreacted outrageous sexuality throughout the whole thing. This movie doesn't. No. For one scene, it's ratcheted it up and did it's referenced for the rest of it. And a lot of people were like, wait a minute, what's going on? And she was smoking hot at the time.

So people wanted to see Demi in this way, and they got one blistering scene of it. And then it went away, and it was about corporate espionage. And what the internet was not going to look like 30 years later. Yeah, this was the trilogy of Michael Douglas, the every man with his dick getting him in trouble. But in the end, he's going to get out of it. And it turned out to be that crazy ladies fault. This is what the late 80s, 90s were like.

I wrote down, it's a sexual harassment movie that's really about men's fear of the 1990s that women were starting to take their jobs, which you feel all the way through. It's about this weird, the internet's coming, what's this going to be? I remember seeing this movie. I didn't have email for two years

until after I saw this movie. So he's getting emails popping up from no server. I'm like, well, that makes sense. Digital messages. They were FaceTiming. Yeah, they're FaceTiming. It's like, well, that seems realistic.

And then finally with the VR stuff with the gloves, it's like, well, maybe that's where things are going. Yeah. And then you see it now, and it's just hilarious. That scene in the hotel room has to be one of the funniest scenes in the 90s.

Yeah, it's... They have to find a way to sort of tie a bow on the plot stuff. Because I think the movie just has so much to say about so many things, whether it be, you know, technology or whether we should embrace it or fear it, women in the boardroom,

sexual harassment, sexuality, like, masculine. Like, this movie has so much to say about a lot of issues. And, you know, in the meantime... And it's trying to do it in an hour and 50 minutes. It's cramming and everything. And in the meantime, you know, the, the, the,

VR goggles, the Oculus at the end was part of that wrap up. It wasn't great but I enjoyed it. Vain was getting, you were starting to think, what was that thing you got? What? The Apple Goggles? You got the Vision Pro. Is that what the Apple Vision Pro is like? Do you just go into a virtual office and grab files? Well, no, but kind of though. You can do different stuff and then, you know, after a couple of minutes, your neck starts to hurt and you take it off and your girl and your dog are looking at you. Like, what are you doing?

What just happened? What world were you just in? But it's so funny about how much about the internet, the movie gets wrong. I remember there's one lady and she's standing up there. Oh, no, it's Jimmy Moore. She's giving her a thing. And she's like, it's going to be a place where there's going to be no race, no gender. No, we're not even going to think about any of those things. And then we get the internet and we obsess about those things.

Oh, it does this. It's like poor gasoline on all it. Right? Like, we were going to do all of this stuff, move files around. Nah, we wanted to play Angry Birds on our... phones, that's what the internet did. But when you talk to people who were like, you know, technologists or whatever, at the time, they were true believers.

They really thought the internet was going to bring us closer, not have us be alienated. You know, like you could talk to somebody in Beijing from your couch in Boston. And all of those things ended up being true. It's just not how we spent our time on the internet. Just not in the way that we thought that they were true. Exactly. You were talking to the person in Beijing, but not to your mother. Like you were talking to the person in Moscow,

but you're never in the same room with anyone. It just didn't go the way we thought it was gonna go. We thought it was gonna add two, but it replaced. Yep. It shifted in real time, because I was in college in the early 90s, when some people were like in the computer room, starting to email, and we were all like, what the fuck are those people doing?

Like, wait, you could, and then eventually you could get information. I remember when I was in grad school, like going to the library, and you could use, like, Nexus, Lexus, stuff like that. But when I saw this movie, 94, we didn't know what the internet was going to be because the net was the other movie that came out with Sandra Bullock. That's another one where they had this vision. Hollywood had this vision of what the internet was going to be and you would have these helpers.

So in the net, it was Mozart's Ghost. And in this movie it had that angel. And it was like, this thing was going to help you and find you and you could navigate the world with it. And then three years later, we had AOL and it was just like, yeah, I'm just going to send some emails to my friends. It's funny, though, but like Apple's like Apple's like. intelligence thing. That's the whole thing. It's like you have an assistant with you that's just kind of following you around.

Yeah, Siri. Well, I wrote that. So the movie, the 2024 internet things, it kind of gets right. Angel is basically Siri. Email is basically email. Yeah. The video calls are now Zoom. And the VR is like actually with the Metaverse is. It's just the Metaverse is way more interesting. Yeah. I think.

I think it wasn't the technology that they got wrong. It was the application. It was how we would respond to it. Right? And the way that we responded to it was the way humans respond to things, which is the simplest, pettiest way. Like, what can we use it for? How can it make our lives easier?

How can it, but in very small ways. Literally, the whole thing became, do you got games on your phone? Like, and so this was, but I think I would watch Futures from the past. and I watched this one guy from like 1959 and he was in black and white he says one day there's going to be a device is going to be in your pocket and you're going to be able to do all your banking

book all your travel do all your stuff from that device it's like in 1959 he's saying this and it seems like such a new world and you have that device now and you're on Pornhub yeah you know what I mean it's just like you have that device you're in Pornhub watching

this movie exactly here's the thing though that I think a lot of people, you know, mention when they talk about basically how the internet has developed. Like, I think when it was at its best is when there was less and less people on it, right? Where it's just like these few, like, niche groups, you go on your forum, you talk about your top five rappers on Questlove's, you know, rap forum. Okay, player.com. Yeah.

And keep it pushing, right? It wasn't this fraught thing. But then like the more and more people, the more ubiquitous the internet became, the worse it got. Like, that's just the reality of everything. Well, this movie came out 30 years ago. Yeah. It's amazing. And in some ways, it feels like 100 years ago.

And then in other ways, like, I don't know, this movie, this was a big deal when it came out. It was a big deal that Demi Moore and Michael Douglas were in a movie together. It was during that crazy Michael Douglas run where he, which we've talked about before, but Romance in the Stone, 1 and 2, Wall Street, fatal attraction, Black Rain, War of the Roses, Basic Instinct, this movie, American President, Ghost in the Dark, darkness, the game. He's probably the most bankable picking scripts actor we had.

I don't think he was the best actor we had, but I think he had the best batting average of big market movies. He was able to develop such unique chemistry with every single female on-screen. That was the superpower. You're right. He was able to give you

a completely different movie based upon in the American president, he's this charming, affable, vulnerable, most powerful man in the world. And in fatal attraction, he is completely overwhelmed by the woman,

as he kind of is in this one. In basic instinct, he's shooter. He's shooter. He's like a weird, you don't know if you should be really farmed type of guy. But he's got the dark side in this movie because she alludes to it. And then in one of the depositions talks

about like vibrators all this stuff they did and she's like I know I know Tom I know he I know he keeps secrets that's what's going off of this dude parts of the early part of the movie it's like the first scene is him with his family and it's like he is Mr. Dad

yeah it's the most generic family scene you could have he even makes a joke about like oh you didn't get the memo I was being dad of the year or whatever he makes a joke about it and as soon as he gets to the office like don't worry folks I'm Michael Douglas I'm still horny yeah so it's like I'm dad of the year. I'm Mr. Holsom, but

I still got... Well, they have to bring Dennis Miller into it to be like, this guy's got more ass than a rental car. But I noticed it, but it was even the slight pat on the butt of the secretary. Which is like one of the craziest moments of the movie.

Oh my God. Right. You can't do that. And this is kind of like the Mad Men thing. When you would watch Mad Men back in the day, there's guys would watch Mad Men and there were, there was two types of dudes that were watching. One type of dude would watch Mad Men and he would be like, damn, I can't believe they were able to do that.

And the other guy would be like, bring that back. Like, look how good we had it. So we could drink in the office at 2 o'clock and do it and smoke and get, and we had voluptuous women that we could say whatever we wanted to. This was the days. But you know when you're watching the film that that's going to come back to bite them any ass at some point. and it literally does.

One of the reasons this movie is so funny is they circled around in the end where at the end the assistant slaps him and it's like, oh, who thought that was a good idea? There's a lot of moments we're just like, wow. Who thought that was a good idea? But that was the mid-90s. To me more,

so the 90s resurgence she has, which starts with Ghost, she's in a few good men, decent proposal, and then this movie. You call it a resurgence? Yeah, because. Because she, after St. Elmo's fire.

I think it's a surgence. No, she was big in the mid-80s, and then she had some issues. But you look at her late 80s, IMAB. It's pretty rough. Ghost is the comeback. And then by the time this movie comes out, she's probably the most bankable actress we had. What's weird is it's the peak. Because after this, she has scarlet letter now and then strip T's in the juror, and it's over.

So this was the peak. She's never looked better in a movie. She looks unbelievable in this movie And she's really believable I think as the as the You know calculating off as tempterous It's just It's crazy

Because like when you look at her In the film it's like all right This is like a professional woman And she has like a kind of inviting Sort of nature to her But then once this woman starts talking You realize you're dealing with a stone killer Yeah

And that just doesn't let up the entire movie and it's not a way that I'm used to thinking about Demi Moore, not deploying her like ferocity in that way but she was just like, yeah, I got these people in my sights and I'm going to kill him and she goes about the whole movie almost pulls it off

but that's what I was struck by. I was like, oh you know, this is a nice lady, you know, nice lady in a, you know, Kamla Harris sort of outfit, right? And like, no, she's a she's an assassin. Well, that's what he had with basic instinct too. I have reference there.

So it, so it They, they, they, uh, to me, first, okay, so you say she never looked better in the movie, it's facts because I watched this on,

um, prime video and then afterwards, it, uh, suggested a shrip tease and just for research purposes, I had to revisit it. Of course. So I'll revisit it.

Sure, Kuliko is fine. It goes, Kali, come on, man. Let, let, let, let the boys play. Okay.

Let the boys play. Um, and this is her at her, Shrip Tee, she got in super great shape and it was a big deal, $12 million, because she's gonna be new. This is her at her absolute, the absolute peak of

oh my God, what a ridiculously beautiful creature. The problem that Demi Moore had is that the roles that she picked after this, she started trying to prove different things she started trying to prove different stuff. And then when the, where was it, you said, is it the Scarlet or the Crucible

or something like that? Yeah. She was going for the Oscar. They were doing all of that stuff. She never quite got there. oddly she might get there now having sort of a dimi more resurgence as we talk about it now with the substance and some

other things she's kind of back a little bit back a little bit she has two lines in the first four episodes of Landman but it's somehow second in the opening credits that's why when Bill asked like she was on top of my mind because of you know the movie that's doing pretty well commercially

Landman and then I had just watched her Hot Ones interview where she just eats these wings and she's like making fun of to do the entire time. And I'm just like, wow, like, this is a really charismatic actress who, you know, she's like 62 or something now,

who like, you know, when they get to be that age, Hollywood kind of just, all right, granny, we're taking you to the side door type of thing. But like, she's back in a major way. And I'm like, we need more of this. Yeah, she. So St. Elmo's, I had this as my hottest take. I'll just do it now.

My favorite parts of hers were the St. Almost fire part in this part. Because I think they both leaned into the side that was really unique to her. Right? She's, there was a sexuality at her. Kathleen Turner had it.

Sharon Stone had it, but there weren't a lot of people that had it. And it was almost like she didn't want to unleash it in too many movies. Then when like Striptees is like a terrible movie. So that's a thing.

Striptees was like a weird nudity comedy. I don't even know what it is. It was kind of the worst version of utilizing someone's sexuality in the movie. The movie was a comedy. there was no actual heat to the movie. The nudity itself seemed like a stunt. Yeah, like shoehorning it in.

Yeah, come to see your nude and there's not much movie left. Underrated film of hers that I really enjoy, and you left out a few good men that was in. Did you say a few good men? I said it earlier, yeah. But like, people, G.I. Jane was a very polarizing movie at that time. But that also was a fantastic use of her physical. and her charisma

because in that role she carried the entire movie Herly Bego Mortensen, yeah She's great in about last night There's movies that I think if If you're going sliding doors movies she could have been in That she would have been awesome in I think she would have been awesome in both Terminators

Like if she'd been in Terminator 1 She'd been the perfect age Terminator 2 I think she would have gotten Jack Like into Hamilton did There's Kathleen Turner parts I think she would have been really good in I think she would have been good in Romance in the Stone. I think she would have been good in War of the Roses.

So, yeah, you look at her IMDB, and it's in a weird way, like, a few good men, I think, is probably her worst performance in a great movie because that Joe Galloway part is just a mess. Yeah, it's tough. And it's crazy because her public life, her, like, she's such a big tabloid figure in terms of, like, who she's dating. And then there's the Ashton Coucher. She's dating a younger guy.

And that's, like, so much of the noise and the tabloid. boy fodder around her is about her sexuality and that kind of thing. That was later on. Yeah, that was her, that was later on. Yeah. Well, I mean, when she started Dave Bruce Willis, that was about as eight-listy as it got for a celebrity couple until we had Brad and Angelina.

I really liked her. I think her and Douglas together, it made sense in the Douglas arc. Douglas was with, you know, Kathleen Turner, strong, confident, beautiful, great actress, Glenn Close, crazy, confident actor who actually turns out to be crazy in the movie. Sharon Stone, all-time irrational confidence performance.

But he was always at his best kind of playing off really strong actors like that. But what was this movie actually about, I think, is the real question. Because it's not a sexual harassment movie. It's actually this corporate intrigue thing. Yeah. And I think I had to see it like five times to understand what the plot actually was.

And I'm still not positive I understand it. I think Barry Levinson, the director, producer, extraordinaire, who's like, I didn't realize he's, like, produced. Like, he hasn't directed anything that's been, like, of any relevance, of, like, major relevance, pretty much since this. But, like, he's produced a lot of, like, TV and, like, TV movies that I've enjoyed. And he does, it feels like he has opinions about corporate culture, these sort of tightens of industry

and what they're about. And what's funny is like when I hear Van talk about like the platitudes that Demise Moore is using at this like sort of shareholders meeting where she's talking about this product and it's like it's going to bring humanity together and all of these platitudes.

And I think the message in the movie, it's like it's all crap. These people are just like the robber barons before them. They just want to make money. There's nothing different about this industry. But like when you hear some of the soaring rhetoric of especially early Zuckerberg and jobs and Jeff Bezos and these guys like they want the public to think that there's like this higher calling to this enterprise that they're pursuing.

But realistically like what does Instagram do? They, you know, they've optimized selling us pants with seven zippers. Amazon makes it so that you don't have to leave your house to get toilet paper. Like what did they actually do to change the world? Apple's a hardware company. You know, like what the – this isn't like – indoor plumbing or electricity. You know what I'm saying?

Like, the idea that these guys have done something to change humanity is, I think, is BS. And I think Levinson, quite presciently is, like, calling BS on this whole culture. Like, which I think is very interesting. But again, the movie just has too much to say about too many things. Yeah. I disagree, but that's a different podcast. So what... Wait, you disagree with the point?

Yeah, I do. What do you disagree about it? Well, I think that guys like jobs, like, you... I think that there's a spectrum here, right? Definitely. Yeah, and so, like, you know, Steve Jobs and Wozniak invented the personal computer, basically. Like, they had a different view of the world. They took, like, computing out of that changed the world.

Sure. So, like, they took computing out of someplace where the military was doing it and put a computer, like, in your home. That fundamentally changed the world. And I think if anything with Steve Jobs, he was chasing that high. And I think I'm not going to be like, I'm not like a tech bro, but I think he kind of did it again in many different ways. The iPhone is definitely revolutionary in terms of that. But what I would say the thing about this movie is I think he's right. But I think the movie doesn't have the balls to be about what it wants to be about.

I think the movie shoehorns the corporate. But obviously, it's based on a Michael Crighton. It's based on a book, yeah. Michael Crichton book. Who's got a difficult relationship with women, to say the least? I think that this story wants to be about, it wants to be a very direct indictment of workplace culture and harassment and no means no. It's having a conversation, really, that we're kind of still having.

We act like we're the first generation. to have the conversation about consent, where the first generation I have the conversation about sexual harassment. Yeah. With the first generation, no, it's been being had

for a very, very long time. This movie kind of wants to be about that, but in order to get people to have that conversation in 1999- You gotta throw a sex in there. You gotta throw a sex scene in there, and you gotta give them some half-baked internet mumbo-jumbo-jumbo

corporate espionage to wrap it all up in because what they're really talking about is whether or not, the current workplace structures that they have can last women entering into them. Because at the end of the movie, the lady gets the job.

At the end of the movie, he gets sped it on his butt. And his saving grace is that he's happy that a woman gets the job. Well, the guy who creates the angel character, like one of his computer programmers, was that scene in the middle of the movie when he's like,

Douglas says, she got to you, didn't he? And he's like, what do you expect? they're smarter than us. Of course they're going to rule the earth. The movie's really trying to dive into some of that stuff, but pretty casually. I agree with most of what Waz said because this ties into an idealism that existed in that 92 to 95 range where it's like Clinton takes over.

We're going to have our young, our version of JFK, right? All this good stuff is happening with technology. This is all the smart people. All the best and brightest are now going to drift here. and we're going to do in Seattle and Silicon Valley all these different places. And people were just really optimistic

about stuff. And you kind of feel it in this movie. What you said is right because this is ultimately a movie about Donald Southern doesn't want to lose money because he's merging. And he doesn't want to lose $100 million. He wants to make as much money as possible.

There's some cockamamie scheme to frame Michael Douglas' character because he fucked up the product line. And that's it. The only thing I would say about that is, I don't want to get bogged down. But the only thing I would say is that Donald Sutherland is the, he's the devil of the movie.

The virtue of the movie lies in the engineers and the people who are trying to create something. So that would actually change stuff. You can't put those chips in the CD-ROMs by hand. So, and again, and we're going to get into, again, for me, what age is the world? the best and in these different things. And, you know, a lot of it is my own biases, right?

I think, like, the engineers and the technologists that Van are talking about, like, the people who are actually, like, you know, the truest believers in who we would say the most meritocratic, like, they deserve to be in these positions. In this world, they're not the ones who win. They're the ones who get trampled over. It's these corporate operators who end up winning. It's not the technically... who you would assume in this technical industry.

The creators. Yeah, the creators would be the ones, you know, reaping all the benefits. Like, no, it's the same corporate sharks who reap all of the benefits. And the way that you get ahead in this world is to maneuver, is to be a mover, be an operator, and not be...

You love this. I'm wondering, is this making you uncomfortable yet, Bill? Not at all. Is Bill a corporate maneuver? It's that. What's happening? He's moving to I'm just looking right now

to see one of the sweat. I'm like the CEO of Digiom. I love this idea. There was the Donald Sutherland of the ringer. He's moving to chess pieces. Planning a merger. Here's the plot really quickly.

The CEO, Sutherland, he wants to retire after the merger. Tom Sanders, the Douglas character. He thinks he's going to get promoted to run Citi ROMs. Demi Moore's character Meredith comes in. No, she's running it.

We have the sex scene. Harassment stuff flies back and forth. First day. First day. Harassment stuff flies back and forth. He figures out how to get his job back and that he's being set up to be fired for cause. Somehow gets all of these incriminating things

and then challenges her and what really happened, I think I figured out the fifth time I watched this movie is she had fucked up originally with the product line and she's trying to frame him because he was the only one who would be able to eventually figure out that she had fucked up. Right.

Which of course raises the question why even do the sexual harassment stuff? Why not just say from the get-go, you fucked up the product line? This is more than a nitpick. It's just like, how about just from the get-go? Just blame him for the fact that the product line was fucked and you don't have to like buy him to wine. I mean, I have to be honest with you.

I didn't make it until the end of the movie until at least like 1998. But it's, I'll just be real with you. Like, I'm serious. No, like, no idea. It was like, okay. But they, the, the overblown way in which they go about, like, just trying to make him look incompetent is so stupid.

The most convoluted crazy event. And then he becomes Ethan Hunt. Yeah. Like, he legitimately goes into it, espionage, breaks into somebody's hotel room, the whole nine. The movie just becomes a whole different film. Courtroom drama film? Yes.

There's a courtroom drama shoe in here. And it's got that great lawyer character that was a very like 1990s, that female attorney who's going to use hard copy. Like that was basically Leser Abramson. Some really funny technology stuff in this movie too that I want to get to, but we get to take a group break. If you thought HBO's euphoria was intense in high school,

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That happens. The video linkups are, like, the whole concept of CD-ROMs being so incredibly important. Yeah. When was the last time a CD-ROM existed? When AOL sent the CD-ROM. Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah. AOL 7.0.

I thought it was witchcraft. I'm like, yo, futuristic. Yeah, it's crazy. Just the idea that you could skip a song on a CD, like that you didn't have to press fast forward on something and like hope that you got it, you know, right, as the next song.

So you just press the button and a new song would start playing. It was just like, boom. So we have somebody getting an email being ominous in a movie, where it's like his email, somebody who goes to a computer and like the score would be like, dun-ta. And then I guess they're saying the future is VR being able to work virtually,

but you have to be in some sort of crazy universe with gloves to go find your files. Virtual reality was a big 90s obsession. Yeah, like where's this going? It's almost like when flying cars were an obsession in the 60s. It was just this idea that you would leave the physical world and spend so much time like sort of fully a moment. immersed in some alternate.

And not in the office. By the way, it's kind of where we ended up during COVID. That's why I was going to ask you, like, watching this during COVID when we were living in a virtual society, like, did it... That's what I'm saying. I thought the movie was pretty good about, like, predicting future. Just like the FaceTime element of it all. Right?

That just seemed completely insane as an idea. Which is still from Total Recall. I think Total Recall invented that. Remember the FaceTime on the TV? Yeah. Either that or the Usher. You don't have to. call video.

Yeah, they had that too. All of the technology and this stuff, like the, you know, the digital communication, the sort of the idea that like people would want to leave the physical realm and, like, be completely lost somewhere else, whether they're doing their job or doing something else. And, again, just like the creeping sense that this wasn't a good thing. That's what I felt like the movie was saying to me, like, I know, like, this stuff seems new and exciting, but like,

the movie is very skeptical. In a lot of ways, it's an art versus commerce movie. Yeah. In a lot of ways, it's a, how do we break ground and use new technology to go to different frontiers? Do something cool. Right.

And then who's going to profit from it? And is it going to be done in a way that's responsible or in a way that prioritizes doing something new and different? Like, I got the Vision Pro, and I played around on the Vision Pro. And then the only thing that was super awesome about it was like, you guys are making judgments. That's not what I'm going to say.

That's not what I'm going to say. I just want to hear you. That's not what I'm going to say. I'm just nervous. I'm not going to say that. Watching NBA games on the Vision Pro is actually super dumb. You can see the Lakers not play defense in a totally different way. Why you got to do that?

Like what? What should you, you got to let go in 2025, Bill, you got to let go of vendettas. I just love making fun of the Lakers How's that a vendetta? You love making fun of shit? Like what? I don't know. What do you like making fun of the Celtics?

But yeah, so like, all of the things that Division Pro could do and it's a very cool piece of... Yeah. But really what I'm doing is watching NBA games on it, pulling the stats, doing all of that stuff, but it's more fun to do with somebody sitting right next to you. Yeah.

It's more fun to do. do with Kalika, at your crib, it's more fun to do it that way. So I think we thought that we would be doing all of this amazing stuff with this technology. And don't get me wrong, there are people that people that are, but we're just kind of not. We're just kind of like passing the time with it, you know? So Michael Creighton sold the movie rights for a million dollars before the novel was published. Wow. Before the novel was published. Big dog. In the book, the difference is... Wait, hold on for a second.

He's the motherfucking man. He got a million books. He's like, I have this idea, gives them the one paragraph description. They're like, here's a million dollars. Oh, that's... Man, give it up to big crights, man. So in the book, Tom obtains enough evidence

to Michael Douglas character to overturn Meredith and Phil and they both get fired, but the merger doesn't go through and Tom doesn't receive his promotion. And then Meredith and Phil get better job somewhere else. So it's a little cynical. It's like this actually worked out for them.

They're in a better spot. $50 million budget made $214 million. Mammoth hit. That's a smash. Mammoth hit. In 94. People love Michael Douglas got his dick. His dick got him in trouble again.

That's like all they had to do in the commercial campaign. That's all I had to do for the trailer. You need to get that $399 rent tool going. The story of the movie was so robust. Like the story around the. premise of the movie. It was one of those things. It was literally legitimately controversial. Like, one of those things that was, they were talking about like on the Today Show. They were talking about it in, this is actually a movie where a woman

sexually harasses a man. I'll say something about Demi Moore is casting that part. Yeah. Is really, really, to make it believable. To make it believable, the actress that has to play that particular part. Well, we have a great casting, what it for it because somebody else was supposed to get it. We'll talk about that later. Her sexual magnetism has to be like... But also the strength that she can dominate a man and turn heel.

It's a great part. Creighton was saying that the reason he did it this way was because everyone would know the other way. If it was the female that was being sexually harassed, it's like people... The flipping it was made him... Well, that's what he said. Why he did it? Well, that's... I'm just reporting.

So... He said the flipping it was what made it interesting because it made people kind of reevaluate what sexual harassment was. Yeah, I mean, but it's also what made it so controversial. I've never read the book talking to Sean outside before we came in here.

He's like, the book is a little bit less ambiguous. It's like this woman is pure evil. Yeah. And she's come to ruin this poor great dad's life. Yeah. Which is very similar to the fatal attraction theme. I don't think the movie is that 2D. I think this character is a little bit more 3D

in terms of her ambitions and... At the end. Yeah. Throughout the... At the end, they humanize her a little bit. But throughout the... She is straight up Lucifer incarnate.

She's lying. And then even when they catch her in the lie, she doesn't pivot back. She doesn't say, my behalf of lying. She doubles down. Yeah. Yeah. Like, then at the end, you start to realize

that she kind of is a woman that's getting grinded up in the boys club. Yeah. And it's trying to survive it. That's, like, again, that's why I think the movie's a little bit more three-dimensional. I think what they're trying to say is, like, there's no other way to be a CEO. Like, the way that you are one of these corner office executives is, like, if somebody crosses you, you kill him. That's it.

And you bring the power of the institution to bear on that person. You rally your big dogs around you, and you kill them. And that's what she tried to do. And I think to me, the movie is just saying, this is exactly what a man. would do in this position. There's like quotes with it. It's like, when did I have the power?

She had the power! Like, the movie is making me. Yeah, when he starts yelling at the maid, that's one of the funniest scenes. He has at the maid. Hey, come on down here. I have the power. Yeah.

Roger Ebert, not impressed by this movie. Really? Two stars. Wow. He wrote, It is an exercise in pure cynicism with little respect for its subject or for its thriller pratt. Plot, which I defy anyone to explain.

The theme is basically a launch pad for sex scenes. And yet the movie is so sleek, so glossy, so filled with possessal porn, that you can enjoy it like a sharper image catalog that walks and talks. Jesus Christ! He was not feeling this movie. He was insanely well-written. I'll say this, though, watching the movie now, it is with just everything in the way things are now and, like, kind of where I'm at, it is very unhorny.

I mean, it's horny at the beginning, but it, for all intents and purposes, blows its whole wad after that scene, and then there is no more sexuality in the movie whatsoever. And that is the entire rest of the movie. This movie isn't in any way, to me, an erotic thriller. It has a... Yeah, it doesn't throw in, like, the sex scene with his wife where he starts to get carried away in it or nothing. Did you mean triple horn sex scene? Nothing. Like, none of that stuff happens that the erotic.

the rest of the erotic thrillers all have, it doesn't exist in this one. All right, we're going to most rewatchable scenes. Today's the most rewatchable scene brought to by Paramount Plus. This holiday season, your mission, should choose to accept it, is to watch every mission impossible on Paramount Plus. Van might do this.

Catch up on the greatest action franchise of all time, starring Tom Cruise, of course. Now streaming on Paramount Plus. All right, we watchable scenes. I do that right after I finish watching. everything Taylor Sheridan has ever made every second of it. I'm right there.

Are you caught up on Landman? No, not yet. Landman's great. Yeah. All right, first, we're watchable scene. Tom finds out he might be out of a job. Just throwing that in there. Second one,

Tom and Meredith see each other for the first time right into Douglas angrily talking, telling his staff about it. God damn, Garvin. What happened? I didn't get it. What?

You're not the new VP? He announced it. With some kind of secret. Meanwhile, he's got her install up there in the office. They're bouncing in. back and forth like it's a fucking tonight show. Who? Meredith Johnson.

Who's Meredith Johnson? This isn't going to affect the spinoff. This is a technical division. She doesn't know the difference between software and a cashmere sweater. Hey, come on, now. What aren't you telling us? Hey, I might be out of a job, Lou and how about that?

Is that enough? You know what it's like out there? He did say something about the spin-off. They didn't tell me about me. You think they're gonna tell me about the goddamn spin-off? Which features some of the funniest workplace banter. It's so good. You can't even believe it.

It's so good. It's just like you're one. watching it going, oh my God, like there's 19 different lines in this scene that would be an HR violation. 100%. I had that as a rewatchable scene when he realizes he got passed over and he goes and tells his sort of team or whatever and they just start basically debating feminism. Right.

I don't know where. Hey, let me guess. She's attractive. What does that have to do with anything? Great rack, nipples like pencil erasers. She's attractive. Yeah, she's very attractive. You think she's sleeping with the carven?

That's why he bought the Nordic track. You know, it's a curse to be me. Life holds no surprises. This is such a cliche. Oh, come on, Hunter. How do you think a cliche becomes a cliche? You mean, like, size doesn't matter? I have such a thing for you, Hunter.

All right, all right, please. Can we get some work done here? That's what they're doing. They're going back and forth. And Dennis Miller's like, you know, the typical guy, like, he's doing a nice crack. The red is the avatar for the cool chick in the office. Yes.

Who can... She can talk like the guys. She can get a little more. And also just like the avatar for like the new American workplace. There's like this woman who is an engineer and she went to school for it and she knows her stuff just as well as anybody else. But she's explaining to her male colleagues the difficulties of being a woman in these environments and everybody being like, yeah, get over it, whatever.

I love that scene. Next scene. Tom goes to have a drink with Meredith. Yeah. Stop by the office, around seven. Pick that a bottle of wine for us. The radar gun I had for Demi in this scene. Oralda's Chapman range.

It's like she's on 108. It's nuts. 108. She's so good in this scene. I say, because there's no nudity in the scene. No. It is the hottest non-nude sex scene ever. Wow.

It's, there's no. We'll be back on the mystery. Skin Podcast after this. Been a member since nine. Been a member for a long time. But it's, it, and it's, and maybe it shouldn't be. Because I think that's part of the scene.

Part of the scene is that if those worlds are reversed, you're not in any way supposed to find that appealing. If those roles are reversed and it's the man that is pushing up, the scene is kind of an indictment of the viewer in a way too. Because, because she's being so

aggressive and she won't take no for an answer, honestly, there's a part of that that is, there's a part of that that's hot. And so you're supposed to feel a little nasty after you realize that this is a married guy. Well, you know they have their history, though, too, because she's playing the history piece of it. Like, come on, for all times' sake.

And I think why I find the movie to be interesting is that the way they deploy it, is that Michael Douglas kind of wants it. That's what I think complicates this whole thing. She says rub my shoulders and I'll listen to your problems. He's like, all right. I'll rub your shoulders. But there's a familiarity there to where it wasn't coming from someone whose shoulders he's never rubbed before.

100%. And he just keeps going and going and going. Well, you left out the party. She's like, let me see some photos of the fam. And she's showing her. And she says something. He goes, well, she never lost the way from the second baby. It's like, she just straight up.

She's just straight up, no, she straight up looks at her and goes, she looks like she always keeps food in the refrigerator. I'm like, God, damn. Killer, killer. She's like, the only thing in my refrigerator is a bottle of champagne and an orange. I'm like, okay, you're trying to save my wife fat? Yeah. Then she starts doing, though, remember all the things we did?

I guess it's going to be a bit inhibiting. What's that? Domesticity. Oh, you'd be surprised. Well, I don't imagine you can jump her from behind just because all of a sudden you get excited by the way she bends down to pick up the soap. You remember that, don't you? Yeah, I remember that. And you miss it.

Compensations. Of course you do. Life's a series of trade-offs. Isn't that what you tell yourself? I wouldn't trade what I have if that's what you're saying. I wouldn't want you to. That's exactly why I can trust you. You have a lot more to lose than I do.

That was a very common trope back in the day. Like old, old friend comes back. Yeah. The old flames starts flaming. Yeah. So then we just get going. And a lot of dirty talk. Doesn't really work out.

We do get, this is, Vin, I, Waz knows I'm going to do this. We have this and we have single-weight female. Yeah. Which are in the finals of guy getting a blowjob pretending he doesn't want one, but he's also enjoying it. Oh, no, no. Oh, no, no. Oh, no.

I think single-white female is better. It's better. Because he knows who it is. He's like, I'll finish. But after a single white female, he gets... He gets a shoe in the eye. Yeah, he gets angry. Yeah.

He gets, like, self-righteous. Oh, you don't have to tell her because I'm going to tell her. Yeah, you're going to tell your girlfriend the next day that her roommate gave you a blowjob, but you didn't know it was her. Yeah. Good luck, dog. No shot. You knew it was me. So he gets out of there.

She has the classic line. Hold on. Before that, like, the point. that I love, the reason why he stops, he somehow looks at his reflection in like a glass or something. He's like, is that classic, like, looking in the mirror and he's just like, oh, he's the greatest great shot Gordo of all time. What am I doing?

You know, he's like, what am I doing? And then he stops. And yeah, she, someone of those. You stick your dick in my mouth and then you get an attack of morality? It's a good line. It's a good line. He responds, I have a family. now.

Yeah. What? You get back here and you finish what you started. That scene is fucking bat-shack-crazy. It is bad shit crazy. She walks out. Yeah, with her bra. She's in her bra.

She's leaning over. Get back here. Guys, there's no other way to say it. The hottest woman in Hollywood at the time. You could maybe make an argument for Sharon Stone or whomever, whatever. Begging. Begging. begging for a guy to come back into the office and have disgusting nasty sex with her.

It's just an unbelievably magnetic scene. And she's, and if you're a Demi Moore, you've got to give it all to that scene. And she does. Next, we watchable. Dennis Miller on the double date with Douglas, just blowing his cover. Unbelievable. Doing Dennis Miller lines. You see, this is my big shot asshole.

It's not like I'm getting scouted by the NBA. Yeah. It's like, I don't know if they just let him write all his lines. They all sound like things. Who got to you? Then the wife sticks up for him. I love that. So he told me.

So let's just have a nice evening. It's like, I'm pretty sure the evening's been ruined. Yeah. And then that also leads to Tom getting mad at, mad at her after about the whole thing. So that was one of my, like, when he actually comes clean to his wife, and she just like goes down the list of like how much of a, fuck up this guy is.

She's reading him the Riot Act. I just thought that was very well done. He does, his responses. Sexual harassment is about power. When did I have the power? Barry Levinson, outro music. Next scene. Let's go.

Tom's sexual harassment deposition is hilarious. That Lordly dude is excellent. Yeah, he's got the lawyer dude. Both lawyers. Very strong in the situation. He has a female lawyer. Yes.

And she has a man. She has the typical old male boys club lawyer. So would a gynecologist get an erection when he sees? Great question. Just like, oh. It's just playing all the hits.

That's a very squirmy scene. And then Meredith's deposition when they find the 91 Palmire. I said to get a nice chardonnay. I remembered that Tom liked white wine.

From those trips. to Napa that he was sort of an amateur wine connoisseur and that he would be impressed by an ice bottle. Yes. Do you remember the wine? No. The 91 Paul Meyer? Yes, that's right. Do you know where your assistant got that wine?

I assume that she got it from the liquor store down the street. Would it surprise you to know, Ms. Johnson, that there isn't a single liquor store in Seattle that carries that bottle? Mrs. Ross is very resourceful. Very resourceful. A bottle of wine you can't find within 500 miles of Seattle. I have no idea where she got the bottle of wine. Isn't it true, Ms. Johnson, that you told Mrs. Ross three weeks ago that you wanted a bottle of the 91 Paul Meyer

for your meeting with Mr. Sanders? That's not true. And when she couldn't find it, you said, oh, oh, what was that? It had such managerial brio. Oh, here it is. If you don't find the wine, find a replacement. And they realize it's not sold within 500 miles or whatever.

That's really good. That's a bit of like a baby wine guy. I was proud of that moment. It's like how were you going to get a wine from four years ago or three years ago, whatever it was at your local store three days ago? But see, that's good legal stuff. That's the legal stuff. That's the courtroom drama stuff.

the next one is when he finally somehow gets the tape which we'll talk about later in Nipix and they play the tape and she knows she's cooked and then she turns into Femphital haven't you ever said no

and meant yes Mrs. Alvarez like oh okay we're going here now like literally like sometimes no means the person wants to be overwhelmed that's the equivalent we're recording this that's the equivalent of the He's Sharon Stone interrogation.

100%. And then she has the big speech, which Craig's going to play now. Well, when he really wanted to stop, he didn't seem to have any problems doing it, did he? And that's when you got angry. Of course I got angry. So would anyone. Don't we tell women that they can stop at any point? Haven't you ever said no and meant yes, Mrs. Alvarez?

Up until the moment of actual penetration. The point is he was willing. That tape doesn't change anything. The point is you control the meeting. You set the time. You order the one. You locked the door. You demanded service, and then you got angry when he didn't provide it. So you decided to get even to get rid of him with this trumped-up charge. Ms. Johnson, the only thing you have proven is that a woman in power can be every bit as abusive as a man. You want to put me on trial here? Let's at least be honest about what it's for. I am a sexually aggressive woman. I like it. Tom knew it and you can't handle it. It is the same damn thing since the beginning of time. Vail it, hide it, lock it up, and throw away. away the key. We expect a woman to do a man's job, make a man's money, and then walk around with

a parasol and lie down for a man to fuck her like it was still a hundred years ago. Well, no thank you. We expect a woman to do a man's job, make a man's money, and then walk around with a parasol and lie down for a man to fucker like it was still a hundred years ago. Well, no thank you. Classic. So good. And for me, we still haven't hit the best scene in the movie yet because we get Tom sneaking into the whole tower room to get the VR files. And all of a sudden, this beginning, comes a Star Trek movie for five minutes. Yeah. And it's VR, he almost

falls over into the VR cliff. You know it's funny? The special effects are so bad. And then the Demi Moore 3D Avatar Jump Scare. Yeah. Out of nowhere, she comes in. She's in the system.

Oh my God. She's doing it in the files. It's the fucking Lawmore, man. Even when I watch when I watch that scene, when I watch that scene, I'm thinking, look how

like harrowing that is. falls off the thing. I do that for fun at home. It's a game on the Oculus called Frank's Plank Adventure. You got the Oculus and the Vision Pro? I'll go in, baby. It is called Frank's Plank Adventure. And the funniest thing is, like, watching people play it

because you're walking across a plank between two gigantic skyscrapers, but you're in the VR. So the people that are walking across your room are legitimately doing like this. They're scared. Some people cry. and get down. So all of that technology,

we used it for bullshit. Right. I'm telling you, we used it to have a good time with it. Not to get files. Not to get files. Not to get files. And change the world and espionage

with the angels and all that. Make sure you don't get fired from your company. Shout out to Demi Moore's. I'm angrily using my computer face. Yeah. She's fired up. I love that scene. It's so stupid.

I also love, I had this in Onceage the best. this device that really was only in the 90s when somebody needed to get into somebody's hotel room and they would just call him like, hey, I need my roommate up, it's 3-11. I'm like, sure things, sir. And then you just walk into the room

and the maid's like, hello, sir. I promise this doesn't work in real life. Yeah, that's the room. I always have questions about this because I wonder. Could anyone do this? Because they do it in Pacific Heights, too. Melon and Griffith gets in there. Yeah, like people could get in their rooms

and the security seemed to be lax. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if room service is doing your room, the door is just open, how do they know who's actually staying there? Yeah. The big stockholder meeting showdown. Demia gets fired. Yeah, tough. Unrealistic, but fun to watch.

And then the ending. Stephanie gets the job. Turns out she was A friend all along. Who could have saw that coming? I'm counting on you to be my right hand, Tom. We haven't even talked about the A-FRIZN. The A-Friend situation. Are you chemistry major?

Yeah, I am. Happy music. Tom's got his job back, and his family's still there. Dimmy Moore's out of a job. And women won. There's one scene you're leaving out. Okay. By far, the most hilarious scene in the movie.

It's not even close. This is the funniest scene in the movie. The dream sequence. I had that in what stage is the worst because I hate it. Donald Sutherland making a move on him? So good. That is so funny. What is that soup made out of Tom?

What is that soup had out of Tom? And all of a sudden, Tom, he's grabbing Tom. Dude, his mouth is wide open. His tongue is sticking out into the camera. It's brutal. It's a good jump scare. Yeah. So what do we have for most rewatchable?

Oh, come on. Oh, I know Van's answer. This is the sex. Okay. I mean, it made Vance mixtape for a reason. Yeah. I love the VR hotel room. Makes me laugh.

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Limited time only. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. Next category, what's the most 1994 thing about this movie, other than all the sexual harassment and workplace stuff that we talked about? I'll give you some nominees. Sure. your emails to you out loud.

The Jeep Cherokee is very 1990s. Super. It was the dream car for me that time. 1990 Seattle? Put me in the Sean Kemp, singles. They had literally a ghost service. Early Starbucks, yeah. Dennis Miller, just being cast as an actor working as a computer programmer

and Michael Douglas. I enjoyed it. We have him coming up later. But I think the casual sex harassment. Him's hidden the assistant with the files on her butt. Great job. I think that's the single most 1994. thing about the movie. It's, is that, and it's just the way that they're talking about sex.

It's a way that we just don't do that in public ever. These days. Oh, Van thinks it's coming back. I think it is, too. As long as we get the Craig Horlebecks out of the way, so we can have fun. I know. The fun police. What stage the best?

Speaking of Dennis Miller, I like what movies bring in comedians, and this was a great Dennis Miller. This is my favorite stretch of Dennis Miller. I love this HBO. show. I liked when he's in this. I liked when he's in the net. It was in the net too, yeah. But I like when they bring the people in and just let them kind of cook as themselves.

Hey, the thing was, hey, this movie's not very funny. Yeah. Just come in for four, five scenes. Yeah. Give us a little funny. Get your check, go home. She doesn't give you a boner? Because she's definitely giving me lift off.

Just like all these, like, cliche Dennis bonyers just ripped him off. They were really smart. when Meredith shows up for this another what's age the best of making Tom kind of undercutting him like dad that one part when he sits at the table and he's in the smallest chair

she makes fun of his tie and he kind of looks down like he's just off balance for the first five minutes. When he sits in the small chair that's another funny scene in the movie. Oh yeah. And he's just below everyone. Yeah.

He was starting the day because this takes place over like a week. Right. So he's starting the day on a high. And we know this because they start each day with Monday. Yeah. Bong.

It's like the shining. He starts the day on such a high, and he just gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller throughout the day. I have a couple more. Do you have any of what's age the best? Yeah, for me, it's definitely like the corporate culture portrayal. The Dylan Baker character, Philip Blackburn, like, that, like, typical corporate blunt instrument machine where, like,

he's just not a human being. He's just a freaking automaton basically. Like, for instance, like, Van comes into our office. Whenever he's here, he's, like, humanizing the situation. Let's talk. Let's engage. Let's have some human connection. This is nice.

This is a nice moment for you guys. It's what happens. This movie shows you what the typical corporate culture is, which is like, leave your humanity at the freaking door. And I thought that that's, for me, that's what age the best about the movie. The conversation about consent when they had it was like verbatim the conversations that we ended up. They literally have a conversation in the movie about living consent. That the idea that consent is born at any time and it dies at any time.

And when we started having that conversation again, when I say we, I mean, us as a society during the Me Too movement, it was sometimes positions as if it was the first time, like I said before, that that conversation had ever been had. And it wasn't. And so when I saw that, I was like, you know, it might be good for us to remind ourselves that we've been talking about this stuff for a long time. And maybe you don't put it on any specific generation

or any specific group of people. And you remember that these things are things that we're socially legislating and we should continue to socially legislate them until we get on. This was a 90s movie thing, though. And we did, like, Wesley and I did Philadelphia for rewatchable. It was the same thing.

It was like, Hollywood knowing there are these big important topics that they needed to hit, being super clumsy about it, but hitting a bunch of it anyway. And then other parts where you're like, oh, why'd they do that? So that's another thing to Van's point that I think the movie does a good job of predicting this sort of white male angst. Where, like, the identitarian way that we do everything now. Like that guy in the train in the beginning. 100%. And he's talking about, oh, they got like women in the workplace or all of that.

All of these anxieties to the point where, you know, when Tom is yelling at his wife in the kitchen, and he literally says, I'm that evil white straight male. Like, this is, they're predicting the freaking discourse that's happening over and over and over again in our current society about like, you know, the white straight male being basically like the devil's avatar, right? this movie's doing that predicting that you're looking at me for

that chatter more would say it's the best the elevator opening and did me more and she just goes going down bro and he does know whether he should get it or not she's at just a couple of great entrances

with her yeah man I really love the sneaking into somebody's hotel room to get information and then juxtapose with the person on their way up to the room and not knowing if they're going to get out in time. Yeah, that always works for me. I also'm always into the guy who comes home

after obviously some sort of adultery moment has happened. It's like, I'm just going to take quick shower. Bro. If I came home, barely talked to my wife, it's like, just quick shower, I'll be right back. My wife would be like, what the hell happened? I'm checking you for scratch marks. This is one of my biggest nipis.

D. Ray Davis, shout out of D. D. Ray Davis has a ridiculously funny stand-up bit about this. He goes, if you're going to be out there, you'll be cheating on your girl, messing around your girl, you just got to need to take showers all the time. Right. Random times. He was like, banging out 10 o'clock every day.

Just take showers all the time, random times. And then when you come home and you come home and you're getting the shower and she asked you about it, you can be like, girl, I'll take showers all the time. Right. But he comes home, he goes, he sends her on an errand. Yeah. Like, go get me a beer.

So get away from me. the stink of Meredith and the smell of wine on my breath and the Wolverine scar I got I'm going to get in the shower well it also there's some good filmmaking in this movie because he's in the shower and he's got the scratch marks and then the wife comes in and he's just like and then he has

to get out he has the towel and it's just he's just trying to hide the scratches for two minutes it's compelling and then you think why are you wearing a t-shirt you know that he's in it up to his ears and the wife goes Like, who's Meredith?

And you're like, oh my God, what? Yeah. And she goes, Meredith just call and you were, hey, dog, think of something. Like, think of something to say. That whole scene is really good. Here's a, yeah, that's it. That's all I got. Because we talked about the other stuff.

The Fortune 3 Clap Award for Most Giffable Moment. I honestly, the Demi Moore Evil 3D Avatar, I might have to start working into stuff. There was one, there's a moment at the end where, um, at the last board meeting where he basically lays out the case that she is an idiot and incompetent. She's the one that actually needs to be

fired and he mouths the word just bye-bye to her. Oh, that would be a good one. That would be a nice... Should I send that to the Lakers fan bog after they give up 40 today? To Atlanta? Like, mine is

when she is leaning over the balcony when she just comes out of the room and she's going like, get back here. Yeah. That's mine. Okay. Just for your own personal pleasure.

No, I'm just saying that's a good gift. Great check, order award, most cinematic shot. You already did it. I do like the escalator scene when they have the tape and they're going up and Demi Moore kind of knows something's up. And they ride up. They're going up. And then you see them behind and she's just kind of like, hmm. There's another shot for me.

It's like her first scene in the movie, like, before we see her, it's just a shot of her shoes. And Michael Douglas, like, looking down. And he's like, wait a second. Who is this? And then she's revealed And then we're off to the races Denny Theves Benihana Award, scene stealing location That office building

Which they built for the movie Oh from scratch Because Levinson wanted a set That had all glass So people could see what each other was doing And he just felt like So they built it And it's really good

It was still on a $50 million budget They built the whole office Did they shoot in Seattle? Yeah Huh We rarely get to give out either of these awards, and I'm going to do both of them. The Elizabeth

Shoe is an Oxford Electrochemist Award and the Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This Character was actually good at his job. Both goes to Meredith. She's a former Miss Teen New Mexico now working as a higher-up in Malaysian conduit for a computer technology company. I'm going to say it's a stretch.

Not into it. No. We don't know what happened after she might have went to like MIT or something. Maybe. But not Sure That's what Again the movie

wants you to think It's like It's not that she's some Excellent Worker She's an operator And a mover And like

You know The older woman Who eventually Gets it Like when her And Tom Was sitting there And they're watching

This woman Demi Moore's Ascent And basically like She's like Yeah I got passed over Too

I've been here Longer I'm more Tenured I'm more qualified But this person came in And stole the show

Well, here's the case for her not being good at her job. She completely fucked up the product, right? She was like, yeah, yeah, let's use the cheaper stuff and we won't tell people. And then the product got delayed. Then she comes up with this crazy scheme to frame her ex-lover in a sexual harassment thing so that she could then blame it on him, I guess, for incompetence. Then she's on tape visiting the line. Yeah. And she can't, she acts like she's got to act like she's never seen.

Terrible. Bad at her job. The Big Kahuna Burger Award Best Use of Food or Drink The 91 bottle 91 Palmire It's just huge Perfect

Okay She oh When she hands him the The glass And he's like Wow you got this on deck And she's like I like to keep the boys below me happy

Yeah This is too good Butch's girlfriend word Week link of the film For me we already mentioned it I don't know why they had to do though Like if you're actually just fundamentally look in this as a movie.

You don't need to do the sexual harassment plot. You just blame him for the CD-ROMs being fucked up, blindsign him at the end, and he gets fired at the reality is if you don't do the sexual harassment plot, you don't have a movie. You don't have a movie. You don't have a poster. You don't have an ad campaign. I hate to say this, but the weak

link of the movie is the wife. Oh, I had her in What's Age the Worst? Really? Why do you do that? I told Carrie, when I was about to come to work today, I was like, there's a take that Vance going to have, that Maybe I've worked with Van too long, but I know exactly what the take's going to be.

So go ahead. Like the wife is the weak league of the movie, right? Because number one, she can't really feel, she doesn't really know. She's not in Demi Moore's league, right? And she gets it, and she understands that. But she doesn't really add anything in any way. She wants to be a ride or die,

but then at the same time, she's being a nag and gag, which we don't like. Yeah. And then, like, she doesn't really... Part of me is like, he should have gone with Demi Moore and for him the power couple. I have that coming up.

Something like that. So my issue with her was I didn't feel like she was pissed off enough. Yeah. Especially the one that position where Demi Moore's, like, I remember I told him that his wife, he said his wife hadn't lost the baby weight yet. So if we're comparing her to Triple Horn or to...

Triporn's another one. But Triplehorn was different, though. Triple horn in basic instinct was a constant reminder of who he really was. The wife here doesn't really do that. She kind of vacillates back and forth and then she's out of the movie.

It doesn't seem to know his history either. If I have a charitable view of what the movie's trying to do with this sexual harassment thing, it's like, we think dudes are too Neanderthal in nature to understand sexual harassment at a high level. So let's turn the tables and make it a dude

who's being sexually harassed and can't do anything about it. Right? And so it's like your job and your higher-ups are coming after you. And then there's the people closest to you. Like, well, did you really? Like, maybe you made the person think that you kind of did want it. Yeah. It's kind of sounded like you wanted to be.

Why did you go up there? That's what it felt like the wife was doing, where she's like at first she believed it. But then when she sat in the deposition, it's like, maybe you did want it. Maybe that's what I felt like her role was. It's like even the people closest to you start questioning your integrity and whether you deserve it. The Dennis Miller thought was something, I just be honest with you, the Dennis Miller thought was something that people had been talking about because I remember in an actual real case, which was Mike Tyson's case with Desiree Washington.

There was, he had invited her up there. It was like 2 o'clock and they were going to play board games or something like that. And none of this excuses anything But I remember people having the argument About exactly Why would you go to somebody's room at that time It's a poor argument to have But that was Dennis Miller's utility

It was a 90s argument It was a 90s argument, yeah She was a little too dutiful the wife And a little too forgiving Especially near the end I just feel like there would have been a scene Where I don't know She asked him for some coffee

Or he asked her for some coffee and she's just mad. She's like, well, you ask your whore to get the coffee? You put your dick in her mouth! And just like she just starts

screaming at him for no reason. Which definitely probably happens. As somebody who's been chewed out a time or two by a significant other, I tend to agree with you. Maybe a little bit too lenient. What's age the worst? Just CD-ROMs being a crucial plot point.

Yeah. I had the Donald Sutherland trying to kiss me nightmare. the full circle movement moment where at the end the assistant slaps Michael Douglas on the ass it's like oh we've come

full circle terrible moment we all do it the ending email daddy we miss you a family so corny I would have told Levinson

like dude let's just end it when she asked the movie horseshoes that way it starts like a Disney movie and ends like one a friend

a friend tacky any other what's age the worst the sonics man and when I saw that I was like that could also been on what's age the best. Seattle loves the sotties.

They still do. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubeneck Partridge overacting word. Douglas wins it multiple times. You think it's Douglas? Who do you think it is? Donald Sutherland. He's too cartoonishly.

What about him yelling at when he's yelling at his wife and he yells at the maid? Come on down here! Listen. Oh, but it's sexually harassing. It's white male rage. I don't think that's overacting.

I go Sutherland because. in that scene where they're talking about crushing Tom and he's like, we want to crush him in and he grabs his subordinates dick. Yeah. Yeah, that is a moment. Come on.

I'm gonna Zach. I think it's Dylan Baker. Because he is so stormy. He is, from the moment he steps into frame, you're like, that's the guy I'm not supposed to like. He is laying it on. We're friends?

Yeah. Was there a better title for this movie? No. No, that's perfect. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? I think we know what it is. Bill, give it to a little. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford How to Take Award.

Mine I already gave. I think Demi Moore's two best roles ever. We're sitting almost fire at this movie. I love that take. Mine is Michael Douglas and not Frank Sinatra's actually the coolest man who's ever lived. Just for being able to pull off these roles over and over again? Like, I believe that these women want to fuck him. Yeah.

And I believe that this guy has a burning desire to fuck these women. Every single. Like, it's in him. It's pouring out of this guy. Like, his, he's just thirsty. And then, of course, you know, he marries Catherine Zeta Jones. Well, he's probably the number one actor ever where you're watching the sex scene thinking, like, I wonder if they actually, like, fuck during this. So this is my, it's almost yours, but it's different.

Like, mine is that I think he is a stone cold freak in real life. Yeah. Remember when he got mouth cancer from, like, remember that? Yeah. He's just stone cold freak in real life. That's why he is so good. As a freak? Like, in these roles, there's a version of the American president.

I've always said that. There's a version of that that's an erotic thriller. Cheating American president? That's even better, an even better. version of the movie that they fly. You know why we know he's a freak? Because of the basic instinct scene, when he just walks to the bathroom naked and the director

is like, yo, Michael, we can kind of see your ball swaying during this. And he's like, let it fly, man. Keep it in. Keep it in. Sounds great. Hey, Roxy, let's have a talk. Man to man. Casting what ifs.

Mules Foreman originally attached to direct, but left. Due to creative differences. And then Levinson guys. hard. So originally set to play Meredith, Annette Benning. Doesn't work. Got pregnant and dropped out and then ended up making American president with him a year

later. Beautiful. Fantastic actress. Probably pound-for-pounder bitter actresses than Demi Moore, but it doesn't quite work. No, she can't know. Demi Moore ended up getting it over Gina Davis and Michelle Pfeiffer. Fifee would have worked. Fifee would have worked.

I don't know if she does it at that point in her career. Yeah. She's in her. I got to save. kids at a high school while Kulio Song plays phase of her career. But the woman from Scarface? Yeah.

80's Michelle Pfeiffer. Oh, fabulous Baker boys, Michelle Pfeiffer. And then Michael Crichton wrote the character because he knew they were going to turn the book into a movie as he was writing it because he's like, I got this. And he wrote the character Mark for Dennis Miller in his head as he was writing.

Oh, okay. Well, it's always a pleasure to give this a word out. The Van Lathan Award, did this movie need more black people? It had one guy that I saw sitting behind somebody. And he literally, so one guy was sitting behind him, and I could tell that he, whoever this extra was or this day player, was trying to let his people back in Cincinnati know that he was in the movie.

Yeah. Because he's sitting behind her, and he's like, he's trying to look. He's trying to see. He's getting the, like, he's trying to look when they had the thing. And the black guy that they had in it was one too many. We need to stay out. That was my answer to no. We need to stay out of all in his business.

We didn't need any black people in any of this stuff. Best that guy word. The nerdy guy on Douglas's team who played Angel, whatever. Oh, yeah. His name's Nicholas Sadler. I know that guy from different movies. I don't even know where else I've seen him, but he's like a great that guy. The son, the Conley Jr., dude.

Basically the son of the CEO comes in and he's, like doing all the talking. Yeah, he's one of those guys. He's a that guy. Joe Erla is his name. Is Dylan Baker or that guy or is Dylan Baker? Dylan Baker's Dylan Baker. For me he's that guy.

Because I had to Google his name, name. Dionne Waiter's a word. I don't know if Tom's lawyer isn't too much, but she's a candidate. It's the two lawyers for me. The other lawyer, angry, semi-sexist laid-off guy in the ferry in the first scene. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's good. My pick would be Dennis Miller.

I think he's not in it quite a number. enough. And every time he comes in, he's just fucking throwing sliders and curveballs. The movie needs him. Otherwise, it's a pretty, like, stiff movie. He clinched it during the scene at the dinner

where he tries to out Michael Douglas to his wife. That's where he clinched it. And then, by the way, at the end, all of Michael Douglas's people turn on him. Did she get to you? Did she get to you? Did she get to you? And then at the end,

he's fine with it. They boys again. Yeah. Recasting Couch Director of City. I think this would have been an amazing. David Fincher movie, and he wasn't quite David Fincher yet. But if it's David Fincher in the late 90s,

maybe even the game David Fincher, just being given this movie. Michael Douglas. Which the game's only three years after this, but I think this would I think in Fincher's hands, this movie is like one of the great 90s movies. Yeah, I think of freaky directors, like De Palma.

The Palma would have been good, too. He might have took this over the freaking. Oh, that would have been more sex. Yeah. There would have been a following scene throughout Seattle where he's just following Debbie Moore around the city. I think the movie's definitely a lot freakier if the Palmer does it.

Yeah, because Levinson was not, he was like, did the natural. That's not his diner. Yeah, like his. Rain Man. The movie has a brightness to it and a lightness to it that it probably shouldn't have, honestly. We probably should have talked about Levinson more because he was one of the big commercial directors

of really mid-80s through the, 90s, peaking with Rain Man, which won just about every award. And it was a big deal when he was directed in this movie.

But even that movie... I don't know if this was... I don't feel like Barry Levinson is a horny guy. No. Even that movie, Rain Man, is dealing with some

like unbelievably heavy, heavy subject matter. But there's a lightness to his touch that makes the movie palable to a much, much larger audience. And this movie

kind of didn't need that. But if maybe, if honestly, Honestly, if it is Fincher, it maybe doesn't make $250 million. But he basically makes us with Gone Girl, right? It's a version of the same kind of movie. But we've changed at that point. Yeah.

And, you know, I'm looking on his IMDB and stuff that he's produced. And it's like a lot of TV shows that I've personally enjoyed, like, Monsieur Spade and Dobsick. He's about the homicide. Immortal shades of blue. With Ray Leota and J-Lo, where Ray Leola is just like an insane corrupt NYPD cop and J-Lo's trying to like keep it together as his like

partner and team member. I just told you. What? 1992, Leota's last movie. I watched it on an airplane. I'm the way to Denver. Tyrese. Ray Leota. Clint Eastwood's son.

Scott Eastwood, yeah. There's a heist and it's not very good and I loved it. Bill loved it. I loved it for an airplane on a small square was perfect. I didn't realize that you were such a Tyrese guy. I like Tyrese.

Yeah. I think he's had some good actor moments. Is that like controversial opinion? No. He just kind of made himself into a caricature. Yeah. But I think there was more talent there than... Definitely a talented cat.

I mean, he's having a great career. He's just... As a public figure, he's a funny guy. Every time we talk about any black actor, Van always gets a look on his face like, I'm going to be hearing from him later when we... Well, yes. He knows these people personally.

But, I mean, Tyrese has had a... He's one of those guys that's had a sneaky, underrated movie career. Yeah, I don't even know if it's sneaky. Yeah, I think... It's in the fast franchise. Fast franchise. But I thought Baby Boy, he's really good in that movie. Bill, you've never seen Baby Boy.

What the fuck? Of course I've seen Baby Boy. People's a real movie. Yeah, that's a crossover movie. It's not like a crossover. It's a crossover. I saw it. I saw this movies.

You think it's a crossover? So, like, how about this? Can you commit to the Baby Boy rewatchables? Let's lock that in a long time. It's like that. Is it what I'm saying? I saw in the theater, though. You saw Baby Boy in the theater?

I didn't have a lot going on in the 90s. I fuck with Baby Boy. I love Baby Boy. When you think of the Singleton movies that you would have saw in the theaters, I wouldn't have thought that Baby Boy was before. Well, Poetic Justice was first day because of Tupac. Oh, yeah, first, yeah. And also it was so close to Boys in the Hood.

That was like an event. John Singleton, because we did hire Learning. John Singleton. Saw that in the theater. Yeah, it was appointment viewing in the 90s with the movies that he made. Yeah. Half as... Oh, I skipped one.

Romo Collinsworth or someone else for the director's commentary. This is easy for me. It's Quentin. It's always Quentin for me. Quentin narrating some of these scenes, dude. Tarantino? Yeah. He a real life freak.

It's always Quint. So somebody on the internet, like, spliced up his commentary on King in New York that he did with you guys on the rewatchables. And I just watched that like two days ago. Yeah. And when this guy gets going on a movie, on an actor, on a director, it's riveting. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's Collinsworth for me. Yeah?

Because I need to play by play of the actual scene. I was thinking, Romo. Okay. He's rubbing her shoulders, Jim. The wind's open, Jim. She's touched his leg, Jim. Stuff's going down. His dick's still hard, Jim.

Yeah. Let's go. Half a hundred research. the 1991 Paul Meyer these days a $600 a bottle. Wow.

Yeah. Wow. Industrial Light and Magic made all the VR stuff. I don't think they brag about that in the offices. Yeah, that's not the best moment.

Yeah, that's not one. Films marketing touted it as the first Hollywood movie with major stars to address the topic of sexual harassment. I'm telling you,

this was a crazy time for movies where it's like, this is the first age movie. That was like how they marked sexual harassment. movie. Sliver, the movie where we talk about

video voyeurism. Right. We didn't have the internet. So anytime Hollywood tackled a topic, it was like a big deal. It's like, oh, we're doing this. Third most rented movie of 1995 and the number one rented movie

in Baton Rouge. Oh, I was about to say. Showgirls was one of my top-rated ones. Third of 1995. A decade later, Demi Moore was sued for sexual harassment by the caretaker of our Idaho ranch. The case was dismissed.

Wait, what? Yeah, just passing out long. And then Demi Moore gave birth to her third child a month before she was cast and biked 28 miles every morning pre-dawn to get back in shape for the film. Oh, my God. Kudos. Dedication. To her.

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It's a decent proposal. It's this movie. It's like if she's in a movie and she's on the poster, it's making $200 million. Hmm. For some reason, I can't call her Apex Mountain. Yeah, because it's definitely not the movie that she's most associated with. I think it's probably a decent proposal. Because that's barely a movie.

And somehow that movie did really well. It's not ghost. Yeah. So the problem is we've done all these movies and we've probably already litigated this. Yeah, it might be ghost. It's not, it might be ghost. When people think of Demi Moore, they don't think of disclosure. So it can't be after this movie

I was just trying to think of When did she have the most power? Coming out of this movie This is when she gets the 12 million for stripte So much money That's what I was thinking She gets the 12 million for stripte She sets the record for a salary

After this movie So it might be this one Sexual harassment movies Yeah It's got to be Older Donald Sutherland He's got this And he's got six degrees of separation

A movie that we're going to do On the rewatchables at some point So I think it's right around here He's got the beard He's got that smarmy Like that weird posture Always in a suit Arms Cross

When I think Donald Sutherland Because he was I don't know why I think outbreak man Be compassionate But be compassionate Globally When he was

I was thinking invasion Body Snatchers Boom Virtual reality No Actor Dennis Miller I think yes Because he's got this

In the net Yeah 91 Palmire Definitely The Miss Teenage New Mexico pageant? I think this was the peak. When was that ever mentioned? Who even knew they had it?

Anything else? Seattle has a setting? You know, so singles comes out this year too. Singles, yeah. Sean Kemp and GP are in place. Ken Griffey is there. Oh, no, it's sleepless in Seattle. What am I talking about?

But this is year before. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's this is Starbucks is starting. This is Amazon is getting ready. This is it. This is Seattle's a quarter. You're buying Seattle stock right here. Cruz or Hanks?

Oh shit. In this movie specifically? Tom Cruise. Like the aggrieved, you know, like... I had Cruz as well. Incredulous, just lecturing people. Like, that's Cruz. I get it.

It's just the sex part. It probably works. But sometimes the thing that puts me off, it's probably Cruz, right, over Hanks. But sometimes the thing that puts me off about Cruz and Hanks is that Cruz is so handsome that the guy who plays the lead here has to have some sort of every man type of situation

but Tom Hanks just doesn't work in the role and Tom Cruise does that's the thing but Cruz you need a guy that's like what does she say about him at the beginning of the movie she says you're handsome but you're not irresistible and that's like the perfect guy to like to play the role.

It's just for me I could just see Tom Cruise yelling at his wife yelling at his bosses yelling at his subordinates. Yeah, he gets overact. That's what he does so well. What were Cruzes? Did he ever... He never had a movie like this.

Never did he? He never did. Eyeswashed Shutt was the closest. Yeah, he did. Rock Thriller. That's his rock thriller. Eyes Washed Shud. Racehorse, rock band,

wrestler of fantasy team name. AlchamX is pretty strong for a horse. AlchamX is strong for a rock band too. Alchamax sounds good. Yeah. Going to see Alchamax tonight. Picky Nits. Meredith would not have made sure.

that the phone was hung up. Phone's just dangling. It's early cell phones. People don't really know how to work them like that, dude. One of my nipings is the whole part with the, we got it all on tape type of situation. I've been trying to get in touch with you. I can't get in touch with you. I got the whole thing on tape.

I had that as well. Your whole career is in the balance. I have a tape that. I brought the tape home from work so I could listen to a couple of. times. Here it is. Or Demi Moore on the what it was like some kind of bicycle The Stairmaster just laying out her whole plan

And yeah they're just literally just Saying all the evil things So tomorrow we're gonna set up Tom And blame the product launch on him Just so we don't gloss over it The dude who had the tape Is a freak Yeah he definitely masturbated

He masturbated the tape. No he said it In the movie he goes I have the tape and I was listening to it with my girlfriend a couple of times. Oh, yeah. The freak. Sick. Freaky dog. The legal proceedings just started in 24 hours.

We had a lawyer and a judge and we're just ready to roll. The merger's coming. Let's get illegal. The movie takes place over the course of one week. Yeah, the case is up and completely adjudicated. Lawyers, depositions. Lawyers, depots, and the whole no fucking way. Another thing is like as the case is going on, they're all still in the office and they're all acting like normal.

Like when he gets in the elevator with Demi Moore, like somebody who just accuse you of sexual harassment in the workplace, you're getting in an elevator with her alone. Immediately somebody's placed on leave. It's not even like he's on there first and she just big boys and gets on. She's on there and he just goes, I'm just going to voluntarily hop in the elevator with somebody who forced me accused me. That's crazy. The settlement offer. once he has the tape. And it's clear that, you know, whatever.

He gets his job back at $100,000. He's like fist pumping. I'm like, I'm going for like $5,000, $6 million. Give me more stock shares for the merger. $1 million? I mean, $100,000? Like, no. Anything else?

No, by far, my two biggest nitpigs were the tape and how quickly this was like... Adjudicated. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black castor untouchable. gotta say, presumed innocent has proven that we can bring these back. Literally this is what it says. We need the

presumed innocent treatment. Yeah. Tomorrow. This should be season two of presumed innocent. I would love it as a prestige show. You could cast too hot, you could go a lot deeper with things. You could play a lot. I would love that as a person. My man Foss Bender's doing TV shows

now. I would love to see him in the lead role of this. Is this this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Retrayo, Sid Goldberg, St. Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Nell, Bairn, Harlan Mays, evil after Ramon, Roman, long legs, or Philip Baker Hall. I guess we could have put Dylan Baker in there, too.

Can I give you long legs? Oh, yeah. Go for it. Somebody's got the tip. You're having sex on it! I've done long legs for Venn. Oh, my goodness. Just one Oscar, who gets it? Dimmy Moore, man.

I have Demi Moore as well. Yeah, I had Douglas. Okay. Oh. I have Michael Douglas. You love every man, Mike. You love him. I do.

I do. I just appreciate the guy that literally gets caught with his pants down, but is still fighting tooth and nail as if like, he's, because if he used to be believed he did absolutely nothing wrong. He was the model worker. He's always been that. and these people are out to get him. I just love to stay fastness.

He does reconsider maybe some of his interactions with his assistant. Yeah, he apologized to her. There is an enlightening that comes along. I'm sorry, I slapped down the ass with the files there. Probably she didn't do that. And the moment that he sees his assistant in there. That's a great. His face.

His face is like, oh, my God, I've slapped her on her ass before. I like the assistant. I thought she was a good actress. I don't know what happened to her. I really liked it. Yeah. I really liked her. I don't think that we can pass it up.

Probably in answerable questions. Did we ever figure out a really good way to do Malaysian CD-ROMs? Or we just... It was just a mess for the whole 90s? Yeah, I think so. Elizabeth's son, did he become Jeff Bezos or some other 2000s billionaire? It seems like he was right there around the boom, you know? Might have started something.

They'd like 200 million bucks. He's definitely living off his Apple stock after the iPhone and the iPod go crazy. Sure. Did Meredith become... our vice president nominee in 2008 on either side. Wow. Could have been.

Did she come back and buy the company like she said she would? Did she become a billionaire? Did she become a billionaire? I feel like she bounces back pretty strong. I think she does too. She took two days to figure out

what did I do wrong here and then solved it and then was doing great. Yeah. There's actually a version of this like a sequel just around her but it's like a sex in the city type. situation on HBO. Suddenly I see he comes on at the beginning

and just taking on the scene. Any other unanswerable? No, not for me. Best double feature choice. I'm going with the net. The net's a good one. Let's just go with like, here's what we

thought the internet was going to be like in 1994. Internet movie. You could also do any of the Everyman trilogy with Mike. I like, I picked enemy of the state because it's just... Oh, I like it. That's another good technology movie. It's just like paranoia.

technology like you know these systems of power that's just going to crush this regular guy just trying to get through the world and through his life yeah that's what this movie kind of reminded me of we did that one on the rewatchables

a while ago and it's so funny how it sees surveillance where it's just like it's the late 90s and everywhere you go we'll be able to see what you're doing with these cameras and it's like you can't even do that now I mean or maybe we're getting there at the Quippers arena

You know, you are. No, like, Will Smith's like in a dressing room and they're like, they can zoom around the store and get in there. As soon as you leave out of this building, you are on camera. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you're always on camera. And it's so funny when I'm watching all these interrogation videos, I'm watching the cops. He always drops that.

Like, we have to explain the interrogation video. Are you talking about first 48 or something? No, no, I go on YouTube and I watch interrogation video. Like actual real interrogation. He likes seeing suspects get interrogated on YouTube. This is a huge. YouTube search for ban. So is this like, so you could be prepared if the cops ever interrogated?

No, he's, you like the dynamics of the interrogation. I just like to watch a cop use the re-techny on a suspect to try to get information. And I learned so much, you're always on camera and your phone is telling the police and everybody else where you are at all times during the day. Like, they know exactly where you are. So, but yeah, but my double feature choice, I ought to change it to the game. game because I hadn't thought about the game's a good one yeah as a double fee you know what I will change it to that because I just had basic instinct but that's

literally basic yeah the Indian Reds is a Wadne Award for what happened the next day I think eventually Meredith becomes the center of New Mexico like 2002 I think Tom gets divorced I don't think the wife lets it go I think it starts coming up he takes the family to

Napa and goes on like an insane wine bender like a sideways type bender. And like, I think Tom leaves the business. Yeah. I think Tom has happened. I think they relocate to Ohio.

They, his wife, I don't think the wife leaves him, but I do think that she sets an ultimatum that at this point, you can't continue to be in the business like that. You got to get out of it.

She definitely goes on a girl's trip where things happen. Yeah, of course. There's a revenge girl's trip. She blocks down. Yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?

There's like a Sonics thing in his office that I thought was super cool. In Tom Sanders' office, that was cool to me. Yeah, I would want the basketball he has that makes no bouncing sound. Yeah. He's just throwing around the office. There's no sound at all. I would go with the Palmer bottle if it was unopened. Just like movie used bottle of wine.

I can't say. Just say you did the bra, man. It's the ripped pan. He's just. All right. It's fine. You want the panties themselves? Yeah, you can...

Lord have mercy. I'm saying, I'm sorry. I apologize to the audience, sincerely. That was a Larry Sanders joke. Wait, a few years later. They were talking about Planet Hollywood. One of the characters said, so I can have lunch next to Demi Moore's ripped panties?

I think it was already. Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson. Don't ever assume what the internet's going to be like could possibly be one. Life lesson for me, Dennis Miller says 10 years from now, you're going to need a forklift to get it hard on. And I'm going to assume Michael Douglas is like 48.

He's supposed to be in this movie. Probably 50. So that means in 20 years, I'm going to need a forklift to get a hard on. So that's the life lesson for me. Technology has changed it, brother. Yeah. My life lesson is very simple. Man, don't give your boss a shoulder up.

Like, there's nothing that could good... The 7 p.m. glass of wine. The 7 p.m. glass of wine shows. It's a life lesson we knew, but somehow this movie did... Who won the movie? Give me more. For me, it's Levinson. For real. Yeah, yeah.

I just love that this guy... Like, nobody would try to do this nowadays. In terms of... Go out of your way to stake in opinion on all these weighty topics of women in the workplace. and sexual harassment and technology and corporate culture and mask it. Like he has something to say about a bunch of weighty topics. And like that's what I like the most about the movies.

Now, look, I don't agree with, you know, his conclusions ultimately with everything. But I like that he has the balls to do it in a way that I just don't think filmmakers would do. They might stick to one thing. Like, you know, I just watched the Nora and they're talking about sex work. And it's like, all right, I'm going to talk about the nature. of sex work. And, you know, there's going to be a little bit class mixed in, but we're sticking to, like, what it's like to be a sex worker,

which is, like, you know, a pretty weighty kind of thing. This guy's, like, five, six different weighty topics that he's just taking his hand in and just being like, here's what I think, here's my take, here's my whatever. And I thought it was a pretty entertaining movie in the process. I got them anymore. I got them more. I got them more than you. I respect it.

But Nora was about a sex worker who got mixed up with Russian Borat. That's my blurb. That's my one blurb for Nora. I love that movie. It's great. I like this too. Craig, now we're in a different studio. We have to stare at you through a blurry window.

But you had never seen this movie. What was your take? 10 out of 10. Love it. But you know how people say 10 out of 10, no notes? 10 out of 10, but a lot of notes, I would say. It's a 10 out of 10 on the entertainment scale, you know? This is like a they don't make them how they used to Hall of Fame.

Yeah. Really up there. I just think these movies are becoming like cultural case studies like kids in school should be required like if you're a sociology major you should have to watch this movie just to see like what people were thinking

and stuff in the 90s also you guys didn't bring up so this movie came out in 94 Sam Levinson born in 85 Sam Levinson the creator of Euphoria the son of Barry Oh yeah Oh yeah

Craig! Come on Craig Sam that means Sam probably saw like this movie 10 times when he was nine years old Yeah You know, probably was pretty formative. Yeah, explains a lot. For old Sam.

Great play. That's got a fantastic point. I like your culture or artifact. This is the thing with these movies that I think, we try to make this point over and over again. This is just what people thought enacted and thought was a good idea in 1994. And it's really interesting to watch it in that context. It's the same thing for Philadelphia, the way they talk about homosexuals, about what he needs in the movie,

it's pretty accurate. It seems crazy now, but that was what 1993 was like. If Philadelphia came out now, I think it would be criticized for not being sensitive enough when the entire point of the movie was to have a conversation

about sensitivity and compassion, and you can only do that with the truth of the drama that was in the movie. And Denzel would make them change the character a little bit. I don't think he would. See, I think the filmmaker would. Or the filmmaker would be like, we can't have me this homophobic. A different actor might.

Yeah. But the conflict that's in Denzel in that movie, especially in that one scene, that's the point of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else, correct? What did Liz think? We had to go. It was a blast.

We like stopped at like four different times to figure out if the plot made any sense. The answer is now. And how it would end? It's just, you know what the problem? The movie's really fun and everything, but there's a couple of plot things that are just so stupid. Like, they build up certain things, and then there's no payoff. Like, the voicemail was like this big thing. Like, Liz clocked in the beginning, she's like, he didn't turn the phone off.

The voicemail's going to be a thing. And then it's like building up and building up. And then Michael Douglas just, like, calls his friend. And he's like, oh, yeah, I just typed in the wrong number. You have the voicemail? And he's like, yep. And then there was another one. And it's like, oh, how are they going to take down to me more?

How are they going to take down Meredith? And then he just calls his buddy in some other city. And he's like, hey, you got the files of that shows Meredith doesn't know what she's doing. And he's like, yep. Yeah, right here. Hold on. It's like, I don't know. I'll fax them to you right now.

With no drop off, yeah. I also want to say that these are the coolest offices I've ever seen in a movie by far. Yeah, for sure. The aesthetic in this movie is especially now where everyone's in like 90s nostalgia mode, like the big clunky cluttered office, like the big physical computers. It's like perfect. Sounds like disclosure was a big hit at the Craighouse. They stopped it four or five times as Craig was watching.

Yeah, I didn't want to find out more fish on that. All right, that's it for disclosure. I think we made it. So much fun. Don't forget, for the people listening, you can go to the Den of Thieves. The Reden of Thieves taping on December 16th. Thanks to Craig Horlebeck for producing. Thanks to Jack Sanders as well.

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