The Rewatchables - ‘Dumb and Dumber’ With Bill Simmons and Jennifer Lawrence

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and actress Jennifer Lawrence hop in the Shaggin’ Wagon with Lloyd and Harry as they rewatch the 1994 classic ‘Dumb and Dumber,’ starring Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And this time I didn't because we had a special guest. We have Jennifer Lawrence on the podcast to break down Dumb and Dumber. And we were talking as we were about to go on and I thought I pressed record and I didn't. So you're getting Zoom audio from both sides. So I apologize in advance because usually we have great audio on this podcast. We pride ourselves in the pod sounded good. This sounds fine, but there's a couple times when, because it's on Zoom, you know, if both of us are talking the same time, it'll cut out for a second. So my bad, I apologize in advance, but we're breaking down. Dumb and Dumber, I think this is the first Jim Carrey movie we've ever done on the rewatchables, which is almost impossible because we've

almost done about 300 of them. We do not have a lot of celebrity guests on the pod, but we said, screw it. You know what? It's the summer. Let's get a little frisky. Dumb and Dumber. Jennifer Lawrence. It's next. Without a doubt, the most intelligent, enlightening motion picture experience of a lifetime. Good day, mate. I laughed till I stopped. A movie filled with actors, scenery, and talking. See it with someone who knows how to get to the theater. Dance to the beat of a different rubber boy.

Provocative, compelling, and other big words. I got worms. Movies come and go. but this one's here right now. Dumb and Dumber. Rated PG-13 starts Friday, December 16. All right, Jennifer Lawrence is here. She wanted to do a re-watchables.

We sent her a list of possibilities, and she sent back Dumb and Dumber. Why? Why was this your choice? I mean, in the title, re-watchables, that's a re-watchable, Lawrence special for thousands of years. It's been in your life probably since you,

first started watching movies, right? I'm way older than you, so I saw this in the theater. Were you allowed to watch this early? When were you actually allowed to watch? Oh, I was the third kid. Nobody was monitoring what I was watching. My favorite show was Nip Talk when I was like a little bit. The third kid always gets away with a lot of stuff. That would be a good podcast, the third kid, just all the things that they were allowed to do. I married a third kid. My wife is. So yes, Dumb and Dumber was a staple in our household. This was the year of Jim Carrey. first actor ever to have three films go number one in the same year, 1994. Wow, what was it, Mask?

Ace Ventura, Mask, Dumb and Dumber, which came out in December. He did $706 million worth of box office in 94 and went from, so my history with him, he was this comedian in the 80s who he would pop on talk shows everyone so well, but he could do impressions of everybody. He could do like Clint Eastwood, and he could do Charles Bronson and all these different people. And then he was in a vampire movie, Lauren Hut, and that wasn't very good.

And then he ended up on In Living Color, which was Fox's version of S&L, and he became a breakout star on that. Everybody liked him, but he's just a movie thing just never happened. And then all of a sudden it happened. And he was the biggest comedian star in the world. It never really happened.

You never met him, did you? I met him once in Atlanta when they were filming, dumb and dumber two. I wanted to be in the movie just like as something I was going to be what was her name, the ex-girlfriend, Frida, they talked about her that wrote the John Deere letter. Anyway, but I was shooting one of the Hunger Games,

so we did not work it out schedule-wise. But I also met the Farley brothers at the same time. It was huge. So have you, I mean, you have a comedy coming out this month, but have you been in like a super duper silly movie like this before? No, never. I mean, I've always wanted to. I've always been, you know, open to comedy. But I don't know. And the evolution of comedy after like the kind of early 2000s, Judd Apatow, there's been kind of like a blind spot a little bit. There wasn't anything that I was reading that I felt like would be funny enough. We talk about producer Craig and I talk about this all the time. We're something shifted in the mid-2000. thousands and it was right around like neighbors and this is the end.

Yeah. Right after that. I mean, this is the end is hilarious. This is the end and neighbors happened. But then somewhere in the mid-2010s, comedy shifted. People, I think, became a little more sensitive. Yeah.

People became a little more afraid to push the envelope with comedy, which is kind of what you have to do. And then we moved into this different era. Yeah. I mean, that's the, I mean, I hope that, I hope it works out for our comedy because it's not appropriate. It is offensive. Yeah, we talk about this all the time where it's, you know, there's lines.

And part of what makes something really funny is if the line gets crossed a little bit, you're never going to know how to cross lines unless you accidentally cross a couple lines that maybe go a tiny bit too far, but you don't realize. But otherwise, everybody is just going to be scared the whole time. So your movies. I mean, I definitely, you know, there's like cruel, that's just like not funny. And, you know, that's, like, dumb and dumber. There's Mary Swanson is obviously a lot smart.

and more together than Larry, than Lloyd. Yeah, I think one of the reasons dumb and dumber has become so timeless as it is like, you know, it has some fun with the lines, but it doesn't cross it. But it's just so silly and fun. It's kind of timeless. Yeah. You know, now it's 29 years old. It's that comedy, it's that comedy gold that's just like, I mean, Jim Carrey's

physical comedy and slapstick is amazing. But it's just like, it's universally funny. and when I was rewatching it for this and I'm still laughing at all the same spots. It's just like that really universal comedy that's not so much like, it's definitely not so much about wit. I mean, it is.

Witt and timing, but like that delivery, those performances. Yeah, that's the thing. And we're going to try to figure out later in the pod what 23 actors could have played those two roles. But so. No, thank you for giving me a hint

so I can start thinking about it. Yeah, you can put it in the back of your brand. the Farley brothers did not know who Jim Carrey was. They only told he was the white guy in living color, which he basically was. Oh. And imagine then him showing up on set and seeing that meteor before your very eyes. Well, I think they saw. So they're negotiating with them.

And it's like in the 400, 500K range. But then Ace Ventura comes out. The Fairley brothers see it. And they're like, oh, my God, we struck gold. But now Jim Carrey has also struck gold. So, hey, my price has changed. So he ends up getting $7 million for the film instead of the 400 to 500K range. But they're happy because he's always-

Had anybody been paid $7 million for a film? So people have been paid that. But what happened after these three movies was he makes the cable guy. And when he does the cable guy, he gets $20 million. And it becomes this huge story. Like, oh, my God. Because he had that and Demi Moore got paid somewhere around the same for Strip. and it became this whole thing of, oh, my God, actors, they're making so much money now.

But really, they probably should have been making this much money the whole time, right? Like you think the Clinton Sly and Tom Cruise, all those people, they were the reasons the movie were making money. So this was a salary shift that basically starts here. The Jeff Daniels piece was even crazier because, so he does speed that year that summer. And he'd been considered to be basically a dramatic actor until then, but speed hits with Keanu Reeves. and the Fairley brothers want him for this, but New Lion's cinema doesn't want him. So they low ball him.

And he still takes it. He only made 50K. And his agents didn't want him to do it. Nobody wanted to do it. New Line's kind of hoping he ends up like quitting, never quits. And just clicks with Jim Carrey and the rest of this history. Who did they want to replace him with if they wanted him to quit? Probably a bigger.

We're going to go. We have casting what ifs for this later. There's a bunch of them where they're trying to shove different people in this. but nobody knew that he was this funny. And so he becomes another big winner from this. But it goes back to what you said earlier. Like the performances are ridiculous. And if one of those guys are off, the movie doesn't work, you know?

Yeah. The Fairley Brothers had never directed a movie before it. There's some stuff on the internet about the original screenplay was kind of come up with by John Hughes, the guy who did all the 80s Breakfast Club and Ferris people or all those things. I know John Hughes. Yeah, but really what if the screenplay? you know, two idiots on a road trip. Right. And they improvised a bunch of it too.

Yeah, that's not really what makes the movie the movie. No. So he's not involved. His name isn't even, there's stuff on the internet about his name was stripped from the project because he didn't want to have his name on it. I don't know what was true or what wasn't true, but it definitely like the Genesis, like they definitely batted around ideas of them. 17 million dollar budget. it made $247.3 billion. Wait, what was the budget again? 17 million, which 40% of that went to Jim Carrey.

Yeah, totally. So it made $247.3 million was the fourth biggest movie of the year. And a lot of that was the Jim Carrey train, because this happens sometimes where somebody becomes a star and then whatever the next movie is, people are like, I've got to see that, new star. And it happens three times. then

right. Well, then cable guy, everybody was like, all right, enough for this guy. But he was still, you know, he went on another heater

after that in the late 90s. So, I mean, his run from 94 through the rest of the decade is ridiculous because he's got, liar,

liar, he's got a whole bunch of stuff. It's funny to go back and read the reviews of this movie, though. Roger Ebert, who we always used

for the rewatchables to see what his barometer was. Two stars. Was there? a huge fan. He said Jim Carrey was a true original, and he said that the parakeet joke made me laugh so loudly, I embarrassed myself, I just couldn't stop.

Well, which one? He was so old that his head fell off or? Yeah, the head fell. Yeah, that petty the parakeet. But wasn't a huge fan. The consensus was like mixed reviews, but everybody loved it. And now belated everybody's like, that's a classic, which is sometimes what happens with this stuff. And then Lauren

Holly had been in like the Bruce Lee movie. She was in beautiful girls, I think two years later, but this is probably the biggest movie she's been in. So this, you would have been the Lauren Holly part. She was married to Jim Kerry at the time, I thought. Yeah, they fell for each other during the filming. Oh,

I thought he cast his wife. Or I think that's what, well, anyway, they only married for like a year. They got married a year later after the film came out. Yeah. Yeah. So, but that would have been your part. in this movie? It would have been? I don't know. Who would you have played? I'm dumb and dumb dumber. Harry? Um, I'm the dog grooming ladies. No, I like that idea. You could have,

maybe in 2003, they would have had maybe Harry's not, maybe it's Harry yet. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I mean, I would, I would love to wear the mutton cuts uniform. But yeah, I guess I would play Lauren Holly's part. What would, if you were hairy it, what would your hair do be for that part? Like Jeff Daniels, he had the, he shampooed it and then didn't dry it and just made it crazy. I know. It really did add so much. Oh, I guess I would, I don't know.

I would just do the hairy. I would just give myself bangs and chop it. Although my hair is so curly, it would, it's not naturally like this, but it's naturally more curly. Well, maybe you make it like pearly 80s and just go straight up. It would be like, yeah, I could be like a high pony that. like flops. Yeah. All right, we're going to do the categories. We're going to take a quick break. Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? Zepbound terseptitide may be able to help. Zepbound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity

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Usually when we do this and we do like boogie nights or something like that, there are these big ass scenes. You know like, all right here are they eight scenes. This one has so many quickie one, two minute,

you know, little bits. So I'm going to rip through them and then you tell me what I missed. Okay. Oh, we'll just go through. And then you give me your takes as we go. When Lloyd wants him to leave and he says,

we got no food, we got no jobs. Our pets are falling off. I've had it with this dump. We got no food. We got no jobs. Our pets' heads are falling off. Okay, just calm down. What the hell?

How are we doing here, Harry? And he talks about beautiful women flocking like the salmon of Capistrano. Instinctively flocking like the salmon of Capistrano. Right. And then he says, I'm sick and tired of trying to eat my way through life. It gets a little sensitive for a second. Sick and tired. I have a nobody.

Lloyd admits selling Peter the parakeet to a blanket, which is only a minute, but we see the blanket petting the, and does the polyones crack. Pretty bird. What did you sell him, Lloyd? What kind of stuff? You baseball cards or sack of marbles. Petey?

Petey? You sold my dead bird to a blind kid? Lloyd! What do you? Petty didn't even have a head. Harry? I took care of it. Yeah, can you say pretty bird?

Pretty bird. That's when you know this movie is officially. Unhinged. The Boys versus Seabass. You know who played Seabass? No. Very famous hockey player from the 90s,

a little before your time. Kick his ass, Seabass. Cam Neely from the Boston Bruins, who was one of the biggest stars of the late 80s, 90s. But he's the Fairley brothers or New England kids, so they got Cam Neely

because they love the Bruins, so he played Seabas. Cool. I don't know if you noticed this, but they're in this whole scene, the waitress is reading, of course you're angry. Yeah. I don't know if that was a real book or not.

And then the other thing, when they scan those guys, Lloyd says he saw it in a movie. The movie he saw it in was Something Wild, which starred Jeff Daniels, which was the 1980s movie. I didn't know that. Yeah, a little call out. A little call out for Jeff. Next one I have is Lloyd's dream sequence in the car. So he says, do you love me? me? And she says, no, but that's a real nice ski mask.

He's telling the joke to like 10 people. And he says, no, but that's a real nice ski mask. Does a fire fart. We have a dinner fight scene. We have him ripping the heart out. But that's one of my favorite parts. I like the, I like his version of what, what like the posh upper class world will think of his sense of humor. Yeah.

Torture and the hitman? Where do you stand on that? The Peppers? I'm pro-it. I'm pro-torture for that scene. You know how that guy is? Mike Star? Yes. Yeah, he's a famous. I think he was in Goodfellas. He was in a bunch of wild movies. That was when we hear the one here the most annoying sound in the world. Which was improvised? Improvised and still funny.

Hey, want to hear the most annoying sound in the world? Still funny to just do in the car if you're torturing your family. We have the hot, the ketchup and the mustard, all that stuff. That was great. The boys realizing what's in the suitcase. They rent the hotel Danbury. That's what you think is the funniest part of that scene, though, because the funniest part for me for that scene is,

he says his hands are going numb. And he says, you know, the extra gloves, my hands are starting to sweat. You're right. Maybe you should wear these extra gloves. My hands are starting to get sweaty. Extra gloves? You've had this pair of extra gloves this whole time. We're in the Rockies.

I'm going to kill you. Well, yeah, we'll start there. And then they rent the Lamborghini Diablo. They're wiping tears with $100 bills. I go tuxedo shopping. I love that whole part. This is in the running for me for most rewatchable. The Snow, I'll benefit.

Nice set of hooters you got there. Talk about the owls. The snowball fight. By the way, Petroge, if you don't love me, I'd kill myself. We'll go back to that in a second. The bathroom scene, which is the famous scene. And then so you're telling me there's a chance. What do you got for most rewatchable?

My favorite scene in the movie is the limo scene on the way to the airport with Mary Swanson. Okay. Tell me why. Well, it's one of my favorite scenes, I guess, in history. Why are you going to the airport, flying somewhere? How'd you guess? You know, saw your luggage and I saw the airline ticket. Put the two and two together.

And then the delivery of I Got Worms. This isn't my real job, you know? No. No. My friend Harry and I are saving up our money to open our own pet store. That's nice. I got worms. I beg your pardon?

that's what we're going to call it. I got worms. We're going to specialize in selling worm farms. You know, like ant farms. And then when he could tell that she was nervous, and then, you know, there's really nothing to worry about Mary. You're more likely to be killed on your way to the airport while. There's fiery explosions going on at the back.

Like, it just kept getting funnier. And then his hug when he drops her off, like just imagining being dropped off by a driver at the airport. port that opens his arms like that. And one's one's... Any thought asshole was in California? California. Beautiful.

But then there's also the Aspen where when Harry goes, I don't know, Lloyd, the French are assholes. Right. Husband's always in a different place. I think I like when they realize what's in the suitcase is my favorite stretch. Because then that goes right in the snow aisle benefit. Like if I'm flipping channels and they're about to realize that they have the suitcase of money, I'm just saying because I know the next like 20 minutes.

Totally. It is very comfortable. All right. What's age the best? So just the hair is really smart in this movie. We talked about it earlier, but Jim Carrey's bowl haircut and his chip tooth and Jeff Dana's hair. It's just kind of perfect.

It's absurd, but it's not like completely insane. I wouldn't be shocked if somebody had hair like this, but it's still fucking crazy. Or would we, they just did a really good job with the universe. I think they did. I like the, the mut-cuts car. Yeah.

That for some reason is safe on the outside, but not on the inside. The dogs are just kind of rolling around. Yeah, the shag. Do you think that, do you think Peter would be upset if they did that these days with the dogs? I think that would be concerned. No, because it's so easy to fake. What's your, do you have an animal story from your career? Did you have to work with an animal?

I had to skin a squirrel in Winter's bone, and I'll tell you one thing, Peter did not like that one. Oh, geez. Jesus. I don't remember that one. That was a good movie. I like that one. Seabass's hat. What's age the best?

It said, Weim, Dynum 69. And for some reason, it's very subtle. You have to like... I never notice that. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, you mentioned the Lemos scene. I had that area. Lloyd and Hare in the Hart Hot Tub. I've never seen a hotel room that had a heart hot tub, but it seems like one of those things that all have in some movies. Yeah.

The, uh, punching the guy through the phone booth always kills me. That's not the only movie where that's happened, but I was like when there's phone booth violence. Yeah, it's cool. I mean, the whole movie, it's like a little flipped on their heads where like the villains are, like that was a really cool moment for that villain. We're like, oh, he's like, what a badass.

He's like an action star. 10 to 1 odds, I can get you gambling by the end of the day. And they make that and they're like, you're on. I don't know how, but I'm going to do it. some of the funny one-liners I wrote down were the Aspen, California, the monkeys inspired the Beatles. Oh, the monkeys. Yeah, soup de jure, soup of the jay.

Yeah, John Deere letter. Yeah. Him thinking her last name was Samson. He says he has a rapist wit. There's like, it just has like, there's like 20 of those. They're just like kind of firing through, but they're not lingering on it. You just kind of have to catch up. I like the fake boogers on the number.

and then the last one I had for what saves the best is the soundtrack. Oh yeah, great soundtrack. Very, very, very, very 94-95-ish. It's got their crush-to- And they still, they held up. You know, it's not like when you're listening to an 80s movie, like with the synth. It's like they're good songs. Right.

Crash Test Dummies. That was their peak. The song. New Age Girl by Dead Eye Dick. If You Don't Love Me by Petroche. and where I find my heaven by the jiggle events. I think all of those 29 years later have really held up. Do you have any for what stage the best for you?

I don't know, the shaggin wagon. I do love the shagging wagon. Do you think it still exists? Is it like in some warehouse somewhere? No, because at the time when they wrapped that movie, they didn't know if anybody was going to see it. They didn't know how iconic it was going to be. Yeah, it's probably gone.

I would bet anything that's destroyed. But taking the air at boom, shocka, I know I'm about talking. A couple quick categories. Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. They dropped that crash test dummies, mm-mm song, right? As Lloyd and Harry are breaking up. It's good.

It's like the perfect, like kind of sad. It's a good mood setter, so I'm going with that. Yeah. The Big Cahooner Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. The super hot peppers. Super hot peppers, of course. Well, I know the laxative and the tea, but the super hot pepper thing, yeah. So if you're, let's say you're in this movie.

Let's say you're Harriet. Oh, my God. Are you eating the hot peppers? Are you like method acting it? No. I don't do anything method. I don't even like to stand up in between scenes. So you really wouldn't?

You wouldn't do it just to do it for the reaction on the on camera? No, I don't think so. I mean, it depends on how spicy it is. It's like really going to like, what is it? Is it like a ghost pepper or just like a red pepper? They said it was a, I think. I think it was a, they just called it super hot. Craig, did they say what kind of peppers those were?

Super hot red pepper? Peruvian hot pepper? I don't know. I'll look it up. I would probably do something to give myself like a little bit of a spice. But if you really get one of those where it goes in waves and your mouth is burned all day, that's going to. They're called atomic peppers. Atomic pepper.

I would probably eat like a jalapeno or something, something I can handle that, but would be able to give me the reaction. The Denna Thieves Benihana word for scene stealing location. I don't know if this is scene stealing, but I did notice the aerial shot, sorry, I'm back to the shaggin wagon, I'm obsessed. But the aerial shot when they start their road trip was really similar to the road shot in Ace Ventura. And I didn't know if that was on purpose. I don't know why it would be on purpose, but it looked identical. Like a callback. Yeah, maybe.

I kind of like, I don't know if they were actually an Aspen or if it was fake Aspen, but I liked being out there. outdoors in Aspen. I like the hotel, which is definitely a hotel. Yeah, I love the hotel. But just that whole scene just felt very like posh, snowy. That's part of like the finding the cash and the suit case briefcase and it being like a really compelling part to start. It's like a sense of relief too and they are finally like they're in robes and they're warm and bed. Right. So the Butch's girlfriend Award for the weakest kind of piece of the film, they want us to believe that Lauren Holly's character, Mary Swanson, who's supposedly mourning her missing husband, who's been kidnapped, which they kind of float over that plot.

But that all of a sudden, she's attracted to Harry and Terry Gar's character's trying to set them up. I don't, I'm confused by that part. Right. Because if she's supposed to be acting like everything's normal, then why would she be dating another man? Right. While she's married. Yeah, in general, the kidnapping plot. The kidnapping plot is very confusing. I mean, I assume that this guy was a trusted family friend. So when they wanted to call the FBI, he was like, no, you absolutely can't. They'll, you know, because why else would you not just like call the FBI?

Right. You would think you would. So if we're going to really break this down, which probably nobody ever has done before, Mary Swanson, husband gets kidnapped. She's living in New England. She has to bring a suitcase. of cash to the airport without telling the FBI. But she also buys a ticket to Aspen and leaves the briefcase.

This was before 9-11, so it doesn't matter. But also, she dropped it before even getting on the flight. Did she even have to go to Aspen? I have a lot of questions. We're going to do this later in picking Nitz, but I'm glad we're talking this out now. And airport is the most surveilled place in the world. It's not a good place for a heist. Okay.

Well, you would think if you're going to do this correctly, somebody else would have a different suitcase and you would do the thing where you put the suitcase next to the other suitcase and then pick up the different one because there's cameras everywhere. Yeah. Would be my guess. Yeah. I don't know of the plan of put a suitcase of cash just in the middle of the airport and walk away and fly to Colorado. It seems dicey. What is the old mafia movie where they're using a storage unit and at the airport or at the train station? and it's going to drive me crazy.

And then at the very, you don't give it away. There's not like a big scene. They don't give it away. They just see the guy that we don't like going to the storage thing. And so we know he's going to get arrested. Right. I know what you're talking about. And unfortunately, I cannot think of the movie.

But you're right. It just seems like they could have maybe added an extra scene there. What's age the worst? So the what's age of the worst is basically like what? 29 years later, you're like, what the hell is that? So a good example. they show a current affair. They show the TV show they're watching the kitchen.

Now, current affair, I don't even think that's been on for 15 years, but they do the they do the heist thing. And then it's like, and then the blind boy who bought a parakeet with no head, I don't think anybody under 30 knows what a current affair is. Did you know what a current affair is? Was that still on when you were a kid or no? Yeah. There's no current version of a current affair.

I don't even know what that would be. where do you stand on dumb and dumber the prequel? I'm going to put that in what stage the worst yet. So the actress who's one of the bad girls or bad guys, Karen Duffy, when she's in this movie, this impact is age to worst

because she was an MTV VJ named Duff. And when she was trying to be an actress, it was like, oh my God, that's Duff. She's in this, but now nobody would know that in 2020. Oh, yeah, nobody would know. And then here's the last one that's what stage the worst for me. So Beck had a chance to have the theme song be Loser,

his most famous song, and turned it down. He explains. I remember getting a phone call one day, and my manager said, there's a film that when he used losers theme song. There was a long pause, and he said,

the name of the film is dumb and dumber. And I just remember that sums up what the world thinks of me at this point. I tried to have fun with it, try to take it too serious, but at the same time it was a little disheartening. And then it turned out. Yeah, so he got his feelings hurt. Yeah, wow.

He took that personally when he probably didn't have to. Probably still a good choice for Beck, though. To stay out of dumb and dumber. Yeah, how to see now. We don't need to laugh at that song. The Ron Burgundy flew to where it. So best time for a pee break. Any two minutes of this movie where you're like,

I've seen this part, I'm going to run out. I have Lloyd waiting at. at the bar. No, I like Lloyd. You mean we landed on the moon? That scene where she's like talking about her boyfriend.

Yeah. Maybe the gas station where he's the FBI lady. Oh, that's a good one. All right. Let's go with that. Was there a better title for this movie?

I'm going to say no. Possibly, but I don't. Yeah, no. I don't have it. But I'm really bad at titles. Who do you think was dumber? I think the dumbest.

I think Lloyd. And that's what I had to. Best quote. The two most famous quotes from this movie are, so you're telling me there's a chance. And just when I think you couldn't be possibly any dumb when you do something like this and totally redeem yourself. I feel like those two quotes kind of moved into the pop culture kind of universe. Right?

You just drop that. People know immediately dumb dumb. Is there another quote from this movie that you would say did that or is it just those too? Our pet's heads are falling off. Right. Yeah, sure. Okay.

there's three. All right, casting what ifs? We mentioned the money stuff. So apparently Steve Martin and Martin Short turned down the role of Lloyd before Jim Carrey became a star. Had no interest whatsoever. But then, this is where it gets really, I could not believe this. So they get Jim Carrey. His co-star was supposed to be Nick Cage. That is just so wild. Nick Cage wants $2 million. dollars and they say screw it they start battling about the salary and then he goes and does leaving Las Vegas and wins the Oscar wow and they get Jeff Daniels big sliding door yeah yeah total side note I that what was the latest Nick Cage movie with the incredible unbearable weight of

talent or whatever yeah yeah you like that one yeah I thought it was really funny have you had a sliding doors role like that where it's like, oh, if it had gone this way, this would have happened. And if it had gone that way, that would happen. Yeah, Twilight. So what, tell the story? I mean, there's no story. I auditioned for Twilight. They turned me down immediately. I didn't even get a callback. But it would have been totally different. I got Hunger Games, I think, like a year later. When did you do Wintersbone? Was that after Twilight or during Twilight? Or like when they were figuring out. That was probably after Winter's Bone

was like 2009. All right. So let's talk this out. You get Twilight. Yeah. And you're now doing three twilight movies over the next, what is it?

Like four year. There's like a four year commitment to do three Twilight movies. So how's your life different at that point? I mean, the work is still the same because I felt similar when I was doing Hunger Games. I have to churn out movies in between

so that I'm not only, you know, known for this franchise. Right. I was still in a franchise, so I was still trying to counteract the franchise-ness. And I would still be doing that if I was in Twilight. You're not happy with my answer.

I'm sorry. No, I'm thinking about it because I had a daughter who was like, you know, four or five, six, who was like basically like the youngest part of the Twilight demo. And Twilight felt almost like it was too big. Like Hunger Games felt the rate kind of big. Twilight felt like invasive to Stuart Pattinson. I almost didn't do Hunger Games because Twilight had come out and that fandom had happened.

And I was just when I was trying to like talk to people about like making this decision after they offered it to me. And I was just like, I don't know. I don't know. And it was so hard to explain to people. It was like, I don't think you understand. And like this level of fame is like it's on because we, I just assumed it was going to be like twilight, like the twilight level of fame. And that was just never something I had in mind.

I wanted to do indies and, you know, and I wanted to do good films, but I didn't want to be the most famous person on the planet. Like that's a very different life than what I had pictured for myself. Well, it also felt like the last era of celebrity fame like that, because that was still like the end of the Us Weekly era. It was a little pre-social media, social media hadn't kicked into it.

Yeah. now and there was like so much paparazzi and so much interest and I just seem like those two were miserable for three years. Not that I'm sure you went through some of that too in different ways. I mean, I totally get it. I would have been miserable too. Yeah, I don't know. It seems like she, they both came out. Okay. It seems like. Totally. And nobody's like doubts that they can act. You know, it's like Dakota Johnson with, um, what's it called 50 shades of gray. Like she's a phenomenal actress. So 50 shades of gray just like, you got her name out there and nobody could say that she was a bad actress.

Right. All right. This is the Mark Ruffalo, Vincent Hanna, Saul Rubenek. There's a long story behind this, this award, but the overacting word when somebody dials it up in a scene. And I'm going to go with C-Bass. I thought C-Bass downed it up. But it turns out he was an NHL, multi-time All-Star, but he's got the, got the faces that he's brain around and the tobacco and well also he makes the perfect expression

when he comes into the stall at 2.15 on March 25th for manly love right. His face lights up when he sees that it's Lloyd. Yeah. Best that guy. So there's two elite that guys in this movie.

That guy is when you can't remember who somebody his name is but like how it's that guy but you don't totally know the name. One of them was the rich guy who was orchestrated in the whole kidnapping. His name is Charles Rocket. Yeah, what was he in? So, S&L, first five years, the cast blows up. And the next year, he was supposed to be the Chevy Chase. And he ended up

saying the F word on live TV and ended up getting fired like two weeks later. So that was kind of what he was known for. God, a lot of people were about to be the next Chevy Chase. He really, Chevy Chase pissed off a lot of people by becoming Chevy Chase. I know. And a lot of people wanted, and it's just ever happened. But then he became like that guy. The other one was the cop was played by Harlan Williams, who's been in a bunch of other Farley Brothers movies. And this guy, he's a comment. John Cusack is the cop. Which cop are you talking about? I'm talking about the you fellas been doing a little booze and have you? When he drinks the peeve. That's not John Cusack. What? Yeah. I hate the break into it. My whole life. Sorry. You can still think it's John

Cusack, if you want. I was like, it's so cool of him to do this. Harlan Williams. Okay, so the Dion Waiters Award we give out. This is, Dion Waders was a basketball player who would just come in for like five minutes and make a bunch of shots. And we, they call it a heat check. Cool. So from a heat check standpoint, somebody who just comes in only has a couple scenes, but they crush it.

Probably goes to the bad guy who dies from meeting the peppers. He's only in like four scenes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also like Terry Gartho as the kind of drunk aunt who's trying to set up Mary and Harry. He's great. And she's great when she's, oh, absolutely. It's so funny. Yeah. So it's one of those two.

All right, let's recast the top two parts. Who would you go? You've worked with some of these people. Who would you do if you were making, if you were remaking dumb and dumber right now, who would you put in the two parts? By the way, you can go female, you can go one male, one female. Like, what would you do? I guess I would go Tim Robbins for Lloyd.

Tim Robbins, interesting. Okay. And I would go myself for Harry? All right. Let's say it's another female. Who do you want to be in Dumb and Dumber with? Let's cast it. Amy Schumer.

Who's Harry and who's Lloyd? In that instance, I guess I would be Lloyd and she would be Harry and I don't know why. What's Lloyd's name? in this movie. It can't be Lloyd. That would be weird. Laura? Lita, Laura. So Laura and Harriet? Okay. All right. We'll see if somebody bites on that idea. No, I don't think so.

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classmate as a child, chipped his tooth, and they took it out. So that's really what his tooth look like. They filmed the Aspen scenes in Breckham Ridge, Colorado, and Park City, Utah. But the Danbury Hotel, which is not a real hotel, it was the Stanley Hotel, which is the hotel that The Shining was based on. Oh. This is where it gets weird. Craig, you're going to love the story. During the filming, Jim Carrey stayed the night at the Stanley Hotel. He asked to stay in the infamous room 217 from the book, which was 237 in the movie. So Jim Carrey is staying in the room.

According to the tour guy at the hotel, three hours after he went to sleep, he came running out of the room and left the hotel, has never been back and won't tell anyone what happened. This is an actual story on the internet. This is why it's half-fast internet research, but this is on the internet. Wow.

I've also run out of hotels because of ghosts, but I'll tell anybody why. You have a hotel ghost store? Because I did too. Really? What's yours? What hotel was it? Well, it was houses that I was renting in New Orleans and I had a hotel that I would go to in the middle of the night when I needed reprieve.

Okay. So what was the ghost? There would be footsteps up and down the hall, door slamming. Door slamming is tough. Yeah, door slamming was hard. And for so long, I just kind of like your brain just explains it. I was just like, oh, it's my assistant or it's, you know, and then I would ask her. And then at night, you know, when everything's locked up and I have security, I know nobody's in the house.

And then doors would be slamming. Did you try to trace the history of the house? No, but I sent a group chat to some actresses that I figured somebody in there is going to have like a ghost hunter or something that can cleanse the house. So one of them, like, writes back and she's like, yeah, this woman, she does it, you know, over MapQuest. just give her the address. So I gave her the address and she said the house could not be cleansed because too much blood was spilled there. Oh my God.

So I rented another house and I moved. And when the guy was like showing me around the house, I was like, have you ever had, you know, any go? Because it's New Orleans. They talk pretty openly about like we would all show up. And a couple crew guys and myself, we'd be like really shaken up from like a night of, and the New Orleans locals would just be like,

oh yeah, well last night it was a full moon, you know, the houses get real loud around here. And so I asked him, like, have you ever had any, you know, and he looked at me like I was crazy. And I was like, okay, well, that makes me feel safe. I moved in and immediately had to move out. I got home from work. There was a vacuum cleaner in the middle of my room. And we knew that nobody had been there because we have cameras and all that stuff.

And then I was on the phone with somebody downstairs. We were doing nights. So it was lunchtime at midnight. And I was downstairs. And the door upstairs just started slamming. What? Yeah. So then I finally just moved into the hotel, The Maison, in New Orleans. And then I just, whenever I go to New Orleans, I just stay at the Maison. If anybody's wondering, the Maison is not haunted. So here's my take on this, because I'm a ghost guy. I think this means that you have like the vibe that the ghosts feel like.

I don't want the car. No, I think that's what this is. Do you get weird feelings when you go into houses? You know, sometimes when I drive by houses, I feel like I can feel exactly what it feels like to live there. My publicist is dying. And I can sense death on people for sure. See, there you go. That's why the ghosts are coming at you. Okay, what's yours? I was in the Oklahoma City in 2010 to go see Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook play.

And I stayed at the Skirman Hotel, which was allegedly haunted. and when I was checking in, I asked them to put me on the floor where the ghost was. And the lady behind the counter says, oh, you want to meet Effie? I'm like, yeah, that'll be fun. So I go up, like, whatever, I go to sleep at like 2 in the morning. I'm one of those people that when I fall asleep, I don't wake up.

Like, even when we had kids, like the kids would be crying. I don't wake up. I'm just out. And at 4 o'clock, I just woke up because I thought somebody was in the room and all the hair in my arms were standing. And it was like one of those. And I, so I'm like fumbling for my glasses. I'm like, hello, hello.

And I grabbed the glasses, put them on. And it's over by the window where I think the person is. I turn the lights on. Nobody's there. It's empty. But I'm positive somebody who's in there. So I'm like, what the fuck is going on with this hotel? So I check, I start Googling it on my phone.

And it was about this ghost Effie, who was the mistress of the person who was in the hotel in like 1920. They had a, she had a like a, mistress baby and was kept in this room and ended up jumping out the window to her death with the baby. And where I looked, I didn't know this story. And where I looked over was the window. And then I was just up the rest of the night.

And after that, I believe in ghosts because I have no other explanation for what happened. See, now my dog's barking. But I had, I had no other explanation for what happened. I didn't know the story until afterwards. So that made me think like, all right, this is real. But now I'm like fully in on, I totally believe it. Yeah, I mean, for me, it's just no, it's like I've seen it. When I was, when I was doing Causeway,

was when we were having all of this ghost drama. And I could tell that everybody, you know, the people that were working with me in my producing party, everyone was just like, she's really tired. Oh, she's really tired. And it's like, yeah, I'm working 18 hour days. And then when I get home, I just want some more attention. So that's why I just run out into the front yard at like three in the morning,

switched to a hotel. So I finally had my producing partners sleep over with me when we stayed in the new house. And, you know, not as like, I'm going to prove it to you. Because at that point, I was genuinely, I was tired and I just didn't care. Like, I knew that things were happening and I did not care. Like, I'm not, you know, you would have to commit me. And so we were sleeping in bed together and the doors to the bedroom just opened. And I looked over at her and her eyes were wide open. She's just really tired, ladies. And I was like, did you see? see that? And she was like, yeah, yeah, okay, I saw that. It sounds like you need to be in a horror movie. I love horror. It's my favorite. Can't you be in a movie where you move into a house

with your husband and your two small kids, but then something weird happens? And also, what if, what if it got worse? What if movies stopped having the ability to scare me once I, like, got, you know, once the fourth wall was dropped? I, my number one, other than Halloween, my number one scariest movie is Amityville horror, which is now super dated, but still scares the shit out of me. We just watched it like three weeks ago with my kids because they love it. That's one of those where that's like kind of the first. There's something wrong with the house movie. Now they made 120, but they always work.

To what? Like there's a murderer on the loose? Yeah. I think it's scarier because everybody's moved into a house or an apartment or a condo at some point in your life. And the thought of that property having a history. that you have no control over, I think is the single scariest thing

other than murder on loose, which has been made a million times. All right, we had a huge tangent there. This is why the rewatchables is fun, right? You never know. You go on these little tangents. Yeah. Okay.

So Jim Carrey refused to shoot the alternate ending of Harry and Lloyd getting on the bus with the Hawaiian Tropic Girls. I think that was the right call. Me too. Yeah. Good job. Jeff Daniel said he was at a golf course

one day and Clint Eastwood told him he had just seen dumb and dumber and Jeff Daniels braced for a negative reaction and Clint Eastwood said he liked it and that the bathroom scene had happened to him once on a date so he told Jeff Daniels wow

yeah the big we forgot to mention this the big gulfs huh when he oh yeah hey guys oh big gulfs huh

all right well see you later. I'll see you later. Those guys were not actors. They were just hanging out watching the filming, and Jim Carrey just improvised that and threw that in. And then I didn't know that,

I didn't notice this in the 100 times I've watched this movie, but when Lloyd checks the time in the men's bathroom stall, his watch says, Casino Alarm Chronograph. So like he bought like a fake brand Casio watch was the joke, but it's really fast. You have to notice it. All right, Apex Mountain.

So Apex Mountain is, is this means when somebody is at their highest level of success, power, influence. And you have to decide was this movie there at Pex Mountain. So this is a good example for this. Jim Carrey, I think coming out of this movie. Ace Ventura, I feel like, was his APA. So this, I don't know. They both are?

Yeah, but think after this, after he has three in a row, like he can basically get any movie Green Letty wanted, right? You could have made a movie about a haunted, a comedy about a haunted, hotel where he's upside down. And the studio would have been like, okay, here's money. Make that. Yeah. So I would probably say this.

Lauren Holly, maybe. Jeff Daniels, he had speed and this in the same year. So I'm going to say yes. Yeah. I mean, yeah. It speed like basically recreated or, you know, rebooted the idea of a summer action movie. That got stolen year after year after that.

And then this movie. Fairly, brothers, I'm going to say there's something about Mary. Definitely. They could do anything they wanted up. it up. Yeah. Aspen? I don't know. Probably not. Snow owls? You ever thought about snow owls before since this movie? No. Okay. Only when I see kitty cats that kind of remind me of a snow owl. How about frozen tongue sticking on a metal pole? Well, that's Christmas story. Okay. All right. That's all I got for that. Best racehorse name. I'm going to give you either Lloyd Christmas

sea bass or dumb and dumber? What horse would you bet on? Sea bass. Okay, me too. Picking nits, we mentioned the kidnapping plot. I still don't really understand what happened or how she explained to the husband after he was saved. Oh, here's Harry. I spent the day with him.

Yeah, I don't understand her needing to hang out with a man she's never met before in order to look normal to people who know her and would be like, where's your husband? Why are you on a full date? Yeah, where's the Aspen society wondering what the fuck's going on with this lady and this weird guy with the crazy hair? Any other nitpicks for you in this movie? Anything that sticks in your craw? Nope.

Well, I mean, I want Lloyd to end up with Mary. You know, it breaks my heart. Should that have been the sequel? No, because poor Mary. Mary's the best. Yeah, Mary's good. Yeah. The next category is sequel, Pre-Equality.

Prequel, Prestige TV, all black cast, are untouchable. Well, they made a sequel under prequel. So rarely do we have two of those actually happen. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Catherine Hahn, Steve Bishemi, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, or Philip Bicker Hall. Have you worked with any of those people? No. It went really fast, so I hope I didn't, like, rudely forget someone. Want me to go again?

Danny Treo. Catherine Hahn, you never worked with? No. But I saw her at a party one time that we gave it. her a deep bow. I think she's my answer for this. I think we could have squeezed her in. She could have been part of Mary's family. Oh, yeah. Well, in that time, too. I mean, she was talk about an apex. Squeeze her in her. Just one Oscar who gets it is the next category. Jim Carrey? Yeah. All right. Probably an answerable questions. I have three. First one. I'm glad we talked about

purses before or ghosts. So Jim Carrey's character, Lloyd, gets really mad spilling the salt. He says it's bad luck. Have you ever heard this before? Do you believe spilling the salt is bad luck? I do now. I don't remember a time where I hadn't seen this movie, so I've always believed that. So someone spills salt, you're like, uh-oh.

And then the door starts slamming in your house you're running. And you're like, oh, my God, shit's going down. I clock it. I don't always say something because that would be annoying. Have you ever seen the movie? But I clock it. I'm the same way. I've only seen it in this movie, so I don't know if they made it up, but who knows.

Next, unanswerable question. Do they really need to protect snow owls or snow owls in danger? Like, I didn't Google this. Is there like a snow owl shortage? Are people coming after them? Are other animals like going after the snow owls? Are they having trouble reproducing? It's just kind of left over here.

Yeah. All right, here's the big one. How much money was in the suitcase? I was wondering that when I was rewatching it, 100,000? Well, so here's the thing. He says at one point that the Lamborghini that they bought was $275,000. And it seems like they bought that. They're not renting it.

But wasn't there that whole movie myth thing about money because money is actually really heavy once it gets to like a certain like how many how many $100 bills before it's actually like super heavy to lug it. Yeah before they couldn't have flung it and then had it land on the ground and fly open. Also not a good suitcase lock. No.

I mean they were banging on it, banging on all they had to do was just throw it on the ground. I have some research on this. A million dollars in $50 bills weighs 44 pounds. Wow. Interesting. So $100.

would weigh like 25 pounds. I think, here's my answer. I think it's $500,000. Well, no, I think it's $500,000 too. I mean, it's $625,000. What is this? Like prices, right? You're jumping me?

I'll give you $30 to $1. Because they probably spent half on the car. Presidential suite, I'm guessing, is like $10,000 a night. They bought all those clothes and gifts. For them to run out, I'm going to say around $500. All right, the next category, we're almost done. The Andy and Red Zawame Award for what happened the next day. They're head-shaking back.

What happens? They end up passing another bus that's filled with male athletes. Okay. Steers. Rubbed down and oiled up and like shaved. Okay. I like it. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?

You can have anything from the movie? I feel like it made myself very clear with the Shagman. So you would actually. have that in your house, like in the in the driveway? No, because I mean, I live in New York. There's nowhere to put that thing. So I'll say the book, of course, you're angry.

That's a good one. I would go with the casino watch, I think would be a fun one. Or the hat, the Seabass's hat, would be another fun one. I think the bus is the answer, though. Because that's like one of a kind. Everyone knows what it is.

They have this Hollywood site, this prop site, where they sell props for movies. I don't know if anything from movies, they probably had some hunger game stuff from in there, but they have like amazing stuff. They have like the Bible from Shawshank that sold for like $400,000. I wonder like if that shag bus was on like in one of those auctions, like what we would actually go for. I mean, I guess it was like 100,000 bucks. I could be wrong, but I'm betting that it was just like put down as soon as the movie was over. Yeah, you're probably right. I have so much memorabilia spread throughout America. That's so annoying. But like, because I don't know

where to put it. I can't dedicate a closet to like hunger game stuff. So in mixed in with my boots, like my actual boots are just like the Hunger Games boots that I wore the movie. Well, when you get, when you get older, that stuff adds up and adds up and adds up even more. And then you have, oh, I'm there. We just moved and I had so much stuff that I had no idea of why I had it. It just, it adds up over time. The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson. What's your best life lesson from this movie? Best Life Lesson from this movie.

Take opportunities as they come. That's good. I like that one. I mean, that they would have ended up on the bus with a bikini girls. Right, take your job. Who won the movie for you, Jim Carrey? Who won the movie for me? Yeah, who won the movie?

I guess Jim Carrey, but I really feel bad for not. I mean, Jeff Daniels is really getting, you know, I like the more understated. Like, you need to have a little bit of the, straight man too. It's so important. So I hate giving all the love to Jim Carrey. So I'm going to say Jeff Daniels. Oh, all right. A little zag. All right. This is where we're being producer Craig in for his take on the movie. Craig, you coming in? Sure. Craig loves when we do comedies because he's convinced that his generation is punting on comedies and it makes them very upset, which is why we're

happy your movie's coming out soon. Craig, what's your take? Dumb and Dumber is like a real old classic for me. That was like the first comedy I ever remember. I've seen it a million times. I haven't probably seen it in a decade though. And I'm genuinely shocked how well this movie holds up. It shouldn't hold up as good as it does, but it does. No, totally. I thought the same thing when I was laughing at all the spots. I'm not a big laffer when I'm alone. I was like watching on my iPad in bed. And like, I'm not a big laffer when I'm alone. And I was like giggling. I know, me too. Me too. And I was also surprised. Yeah, I don't know if it's the physical comedy aspect of it, but like Jim Carrey's movements will always age well.

Yeah, his delivery. Carrie, I took care of it. Yeah, and when he comes back and he slams the door and he spins and he falls to the ground, the physical comedy era, I don't know if it kind of ebbs and flows, but it doesn't, it seems like we're in an ebb right now. You know, the Austin Powers and Mike Myers and the Chris Farley and Carrie. We don't really have somebody like that right now that's like, who has the belt for. Well, you know, they've really just like kind of given over the thing.

the youth, like those used to all be powered by like young people. And I guess now young people only want, or the industry thinks they just cash them in for TV. Yeah. And the SNL pipeline from like SNL character to movie doesn't really happen anymore either. And a lot of those SNL characters from the 90s, all those guys were physical comedy actors. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. What happened to physical comedy actors?

I don't know. So it seems like everybody, it's way more understated kind of. sneaky now versus like the big physical. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if it's going to come back and somebody's going to change it, but. I mean, Melissa McCartney, she does great. That's true. And she's really good.

Sessions on us now with the podium that was on wheels. Bridesmaids, so that came out, 2010. But that's a good, like, physical comedy movie that, you know, we're moving into a different era. Well, maybe when you remake Dumb and Dumber with Amy Schumer, you can have some physical gags. I can't do physical comedy, but thank you for thinking that. I could. Also, one last note, the Lloyd and Mary in the limo scene is just like, that's aged so well because that's what every Uber is like now. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that's a good one.

The Uber driver asked me recently if he liked, if I liked the scent in the car. And I was like, yeah, I like it a lot. And he was like, it's from the one hotel in Miami. And I was like, that's great. Sweet. Oh, my God. I'm going to know. All right. So your movie's coming out when? On June 23rd. Give us the 10 second pitch. It's just a good old-fashioned laugh-your-ass-off comedy with really good performances, if I do say so myself. But I was mostly thinking of Matthew Broderick and Andrew Barth Feldman who are in the movie. And it's, I think it's worth seeing. And you have to see it in theater because the comedies are

just you can't watch a comedy at home alone on Apple TV. You just can't. So now you need to make a horror movie and a sports movie. I think are your next two. Sports movie. Why do you say that? You just got to check boxes. You haven't made a sports movie yet. Oh, okay. I was thinking more like just retire soon. You can do that too. You can stay in New Orleans. You can buy a house. Yeah. Hang out with the ghost. Plant roots.

Jennifer Lawrence, thank you for coming on. We appreciate. it. Thank you so much for having. This is produced by Craig Horlebeck, and we'll be back next week. Good luck with your movie. Thank you very much.