The Rewatchables - ‘Father of the Bride’ With Bill Simmons and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: December 22, 2021

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Coming up next, don't forget to fasten your condom. Father of the Bride is next. Touchstone Pictures presents Steve Martin, Diane Keaton, Martin Short, and introducing Kimberly Williams. I'm told that one day I'll look back on all of this. with great affection and nostalgia. I hope so. Good night, Mr. Banks. Drive carefully. And don't forget to fasten your condom.

Dad. Seap belt. Amen. Amen. Seap. Father of the bride. All right, Amanda Dobbins is here. Can't think of a better person to share Father of the Bride with me.

My name is Bill Simmons. I watched this with my 16-and-a-year-old daughter who had never seen it, even though she thought she had seen it. She'd never seen it. So that was emotional on Saturday. night. Who cried? Neither of us, but my wife cried because my wife always cries during father of the bride. Yeah. This is, there's only a few movies that have just completely grabbed a piece of turf

that's available. There's lots of turf all over the place. Like there's mafia movie turf and buddy cop, whatever you want to say. This is the only, my daughter is getting married movie that I think is the default for everybody. I don't even know who the competition. Who is the competition? There is no competition. There's absolutely none. There's a lot of wedding movie competition. And there is obviously the original with Spencer Tracy and Elizabeth Taylor. But fine.

We mentioned the original. We don't have to talk about it again. This is the one for me. This is the one. This has been the one for 30 years. Yeah. This has been the one. Now, you're obviously married to media mogul, Zach Barron.

But you saw this movie when you're a kid. And at some point, you're probably wondering, hmm. If I get married, I wonder what that's going to be like. I wonder how authentic this is. Are my emotions going to mirror the emotions of this movie? Am I going to think of the movie as I'm getting married? So what was that like for you? So I vividly remember watching this with my father.

And I was seven years old when this movie came out. And this I was allowed to see very early because it is a family-friendly movie. So this is my first Nancy Myers experience, extremely formative, as we know. probably one of my first Steve Martin experiences because I'm young. You know, I wasn't like checking out S&L in the 70s. And then I was watching it with my dad who I am very close to you. In this movie at one point, Steve Martin talks about how his character is like his daughter and her fiancee is like his wife, Diane Keaton.

And I'm definitely my father's daughter in that sense. So I remember watching it. I cried. I think I was like eight or nine. And I think I cried from the growing up and like leaving the family home and like not having the same relationship with your dad that you once did. It's a movie about change in a lot of ways. It's really affecting when Steve Martin realizes, oh, this is going to be different now. And so I think I watched it less as like, oh, I'm going to get married one day.

And more is like, oh, like I'm not going to have the same relationship with my dad that. I will right now, or I have right now. And yeah, that moment still makes me cry every single time I watched it, including yesterday. So this movie, I was in college when it came out and I saw it on a date with somebody I was dating at the time. Okay. And you see yourself through the prism of the future son-in-law when you're watching it when you're in college when it comes out, right? I'm not thinking about the dad. I don't care about the dad.

And then I dated somebody else after that. and this was like her movie with the dad. Yeah. So I was watching it even more differently because I was like, all right, if this is like one of their favorite movies, how do I fit into this? Sure. And you start thinking of that. But then once you have a daughter, if you're lucky enough to have a daughter, which I was,

now it's a completely different movie. And now, and I've seen it a whole bunch of times because this is one of my wife's favorite movies. If it's on, she's just going to run with it no matter what one movie's on. So you have like the little. girl part of it, right? And he has the flashback at one point where they're playing, you know, that when she's sitting at the table and it's all of a sudden a little girl. So I saw my daughter in that vein for a while. Seeing it this time and watching it with her was a totally different

experience, thinking like, oh my God, this could be happening to us. Who knows when? But I might be Steve Martin. You're on the verge of it. I actually, I did think a lot about you when I was watching it yesterday because I knew we were going to have this conversation. But Annie, the daughter in this movie, is very young. She's 22 years old. Well, yeah. Oh, my God. She's five and a half years older than my daughter.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of strategy there that we can unpack to anyone who's going to have to go through this anytime soon. But yes, it's, you're, you're getting close to someone leaving the nest and also possibly someone bringing home, uh, romantic partners and how you're going to. have to react to it. That's already happening. No, yeah, I know. He says in the opening monologue, and this one hit me a totally different way this time. He goes, you have a little girl, an adorable little girl who looks up to you and adores you in a way you could have never imagined. Totally true, by the way. That's the number one best thing about there's this stretch with

your daughter where you're like, wow, I'm actually somebody's legitimate hero. I can do no wrong with this person, but this is the best relationship I have. Then they get a little older. And he says, I remember how her little hand used to fit inside mine. Again, 100% true. Then comes the day when she wants to get her ears pierced and wants you to drop her off a block before the movie theater from that moment on, you're in constant panic. So I'm in that moment now. That hit me in a totally different way. I was like, oh, my God. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I remember going through the please drop me off, you know, from the mall. I don't want to be associated. And then I really remember the, this is the person that I'm bringing home. I just, I got to say right now, my dad behaved better than Steve Martin. My dad had it together. And Bill, I believe in you when the time comes. I know that you will keep it together.

But I do remember thinking about it. And now it's really interesting. When I rewatched it this time, I was investigating this Steve Martin, Diane Keaton marriage. And I realized that I'm this Steve Martin in my marriage to Zach. And I'm like, I'm definitely the person who will have a meltdown in a grocery store. have to be bailed out from like the local friendly jail. So it's,

you know, it's something for every phase of life this movie. Well, so my wife and daughter, we were watching it Saturday night, which was the highlight of my Saturday night because it was right before the Patriots lost of the Colts. So this was really,

I went from like apex to Nadir and two hours. But my wife was laughing because in that scene when she, when she's telling them about how she's getting married and she's like, but he's just like you, except he's brilliant. And it just keeps cutting a steep. Martin and he's like, wait, what? And my wife was going, this is how you would react when the moment comes. But I think it's so crazy that this is the only movie like this. And now, you could say

it's actually not the only movie like this because it's a 1950 movie with Elizabeth Taylor and Spencer Tracy. And we use the word iconic too much on the rewatchables, but it's an iconic 1950s movie. It really is. Absolutely. It is. So when they were remaking this in 1991, it's like, still close enough you know, like think about movies in 1981, 82 now that that would be the 40 year mark where it would be like if they were remaking Blade Runner, we'd be like, all right, that I still remember when Blade Runner happened.

So I think people were reacting like that a little bit, but ultimately it's a Steve Martin movie and that's why it works. Yes, exactly. And I know he had been doing some of this like family friendly dad stuff before parenthood, etc. But this is the one for me where he, I mean, this is the first one I saw and he just nails the balance of completely deranged but also affectionate and like the physical comedy and all of those

reaction shots that are absolutely perfect. And but still you believe in their connection and he's so moved in those moments of realization that no one has come close. And you're right that like I can't even think of that many father, daughter movies that could compete against it. It's like people don't even try. Well, you know what's funny? I was thinking the bizarre version of this is Rachel's getting married.

Yes. And the dad in that movie in the kitchen, which we're going to do rewatchables at some point. I don't know if you figure in on that because I think that movie is amazing. And I think Anne Hathaway is amazing in it. But the dad is, the dad is amazing in that movie. And they're in the kitchen in that one scene when the dad melts down because they find, I forget what they find. But it's so intense the opposite way. But, you know, with this movie, it's just like, I have this daughter.

She's the special little gem of a person. She's perfect. Well, she came back from Italy. she's getting married. And that's, you know, the crux of it, which is how I would react if I hadn't even known my daughter was dating somebody and now at a sudden I had to plan a wedding. It's very gentle. You know that everything's going to be okay throughout the movie, which as soon as you said,

Rachel getting married, I just tensed up because that just, I was like, oh, my God. I remember how uncomfortable I was throughout that. And even when Steve Martin is, you know, going through his stations of the cross of accepting, like my daughter's getting married. It's sweet. You know, this is like a really. very earnest movie where you know everyone's going to love each other in the end, which is really nice in a way. That means that you can explore the other parts of the emotional journey without being

like, oh, God, like, is this family going to split up? It's, you know, not a divorce movie by any stretch of the imagination. This is like a pretty stable family. But it, I find it so comforting as a result. A stable family. Yeah. With a really nice house in San Marino. Sam Reno, which is one of the most stable places in the country. Zoe's had some games there over the years. And every time we go there, we're like, wow, this place is great. Why don't we live here? It just seems so nice and happy.

I drove through the other day and was thinking about doing this podcast. I didn't drive by the house, which is apparently technically in Pasadena and not in, are we going to do the whole house thing? Yeah, we've done it. No, I mean, we drove by the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It still looks like the house. They messed up it a tiny bit, but not too much. It's so beautiful.

Yeah, really, really nice place. It's funny how they described it in the movie as like a small town in Southern California, which San Marino is just like a really nice labor. It's really nice. In suburban L.A. But it's still like in suburban L.A. It's not like you have to go far to be anywhere else in Los Angeles, except for Bel Air. You do have to, it is a long drive from Bel Air.

And I'd like to talk about some of the commutes to the to the in-laws home. Great point. Let's talk about Steve Martin for a second. Okay. So Steve Martin's been in my life ever since I can remember liking comedy. S&L, which I started watching when they had the half hour shows, I think on like Thursday or Friday nights, they would do the greatest hits re-airs on primetime. And that's how Steve Martin hosted a bunch of those. It's like, who's this guy?

And then the jerk comes out in 1979, which I saw in the movie theater. Okay. A movie that I don't think has held up the way maybe I would have thought, even. 20 years ago. I think there's some movies from that era, like airplane, Blues Brothers, some of those where they were just like all time bangers. And then as the years past, they've kind of faded. But he became a superstar with that. He also had this comedy album, and he had a couple of them, but that were like massive selling albums. And he was touring and he was selling out NBA arenas. And him and Richard Pryor were the two most famous comics of the late

70s. So the jerk seemed like it was going to open up this whole movie career for him. He made pennies from heaven, which I also saw in the theater, which was pretty disappointing. It's weird. It's like an artsy. I haven't seen that one. Dead Men don't wear plaid, which didn't work and bombed. So now it's like, oh, Steve Martin, a movie star. That's happening. Man with two brains, which he makes with Kathleen Turner coming off a body heat and she's red hot. So that movie's actually pretty good. She's amazing in it. That's like between that and body heat, all time, hot performance by an actress where it's just like the sexiness of the actress is actually a trait they're exploiting in the movie.

And then he makes Lonely Guy, which is a really, really funny rewatched movie that didn't make it, but I think has this whole cult following. And then finally, All of Me with Lily Thomas. So that takes us to 85. The movie career has not happened yet. Yeah. Then he does this Audible from 86 to 92. Three Amigos.

Yes. Roxanne, which was a real thing. Roxanne was a massive movie in 1987. Plain trains an automobile, arguably the best Thanksgiving movie ever. Dirty rat and scoundrels. Yes. You love capers.

I do love capers. Parenthood. Ron Howard. There we go. Flawed but lovable movie that I think everybody has seen multiple times. My Blue Heaven didn't totally work. L.A. Story, he wrote it. A little goofy, but a mood movie.

And then Father of the Bride, Grand Canyon. So he makes nine movies in seven years. as he transitions to being like an adult and a parent. And it's a really interesting shift where he's like the wild and crazy guy comedian to now he's like, dad? Yes. Doesn't happen very often. And I, like I said, I came to him as dad, a sentimental family guy, you know, and you go back and you see three me goes and you see dirty rotten scoundrels. And so you learn that like, oh, Steve Martin used to like be a little edgier.

And, you know, and the dry sense of humor. still shows up in the family movies and what keeps it from being like totally, you know, schlocky and overly, overly emotional. But it is a little bit like discovering your dad was cool, like in his 20s, you know? Oh, yeah. It was the experience I had to be like, oh, Steve Martin, look what else you can do? Because he was so firmly ingrained in my consciousness with Father of the Bride as like, you know, good natured patriarch of family movies. He's had one of the great Hollywood careers. And I don't think people would think that. But you go back to like the comedy writing he did with Smothers Brothers.

And he's in that whole scene in the 70s when there's only three networks. And there's just a bunch of amazing comic minds that are just kind of floating around. And you don't even necessarily know who all of them are. The comedian stuff he did, he was so good at it that he wrote a great book. He wrote a really good autobiography about why he gave up stand-up comedy. And it was because he was so good and so famous. at it, that the people were just basically, they were like, he became a jukebox. He would just come out. They would know all the lines. And he's like, I've taken this as far as it can go. I need to do

something else. He's written scripts. He's acted in all kinds of movies. He's written for the New Yorker. He's relevant in 2021. He had a show on Hulu that I, that did well. And that, now we're in like the seven decade of Steve Martin, which is amazing. You know what else he did that really lived? in my consciousness, Oscars host. And so that was like an interesting 2000s and he's sort of like calling back to the stand-up comedy, but obviously like also like softened

for network audience. So he really just kind of exists as like the friendly patter guy to me for almost a decade. Yeah. Well, it's Oscars host, great one. Him and Billy Crystal, I think we're probably helped the most by the Oscars.

Yes. He was a great talk show guest. And he's one of the, three or four most important SNO hosts ever, and that matters because SNO is a pop culture institution. He hosted, I think, one of the three or four best SNLs of all time in 1978 when they did, he did the King Tut sketch, which was really one of the most famous, like, high production pieces they ever did. Medieval Barber was in there, wild and crazy guys. He was like a phenomenon. Wild and crazy guys, even I know. Yeah. Yeah. And if you read the SNL books, like that's why they

considered to be the best show ever. But in general, like, was always one of the best. He's in the five-timers club when they welcome in Tom Hanks and he's the person who runs it. His best friend is Lauren Michaels. Right. So he has the Oscars. He has S&L and he has the talk shows. So he always felt relevant, even if he wasn't relevant from a movie standpoint.

You know what I mean? Like he would have these runs where the movies weren't working, but he still felt famous and important. Yeah. I mean, I do think this movie sort of cements him as like, maybe not America's dad. That's probably Tom Hanks at this point, but like, ah, dad, which, and it's amazing also that this was 30 years ago.

I know. And he still has sort of kept that corner of like, I guess a slightly a vuncular, funny, reliable patter guy that you're just always happy to see. Yeah, and I was going to do this in half-ass internet research, but I'll just do it now. Okay. Didn't have any kids when he made this movie. That is interesting. He never had a kid.

Neither is saying Keaton. Yeah, he never had a child until he was 67. He does have a kid now. Wow. But he was America's dad in this movie, but actually he wasn't apparent. So in a weird way, probably approaching it, maybe that's good that he didn't have any dad baggage. You mentioned Nancy Myers. This was the second of the four Myers-Keaton collaborations.

I don't need to tell you this. I'm just telling the audience. Baby boom, baby boom, 1987. Yes. Which was an important Diane Keat movie

because it was the first time she moved away from Annie Hall, Woody Allen's 70s, Kate Corleone. And it's like, can she actually lead a movie herself? And she did. And I think it's an important

Nancy Meyer's movie to female heroine, which she then obviously comes back to you with it's complicated and something's got to give. And the intern, there's sort of like the yuppie trilogy that starts with Baby Boom.

And Baby Boom has some of the aesthetics, like the Vermont home that Diane Keaton moves to, has a beautiful kitchen. But I think Father of the Bride is really where you see the Nancy Myers formula, just like clicking in the house, the kitchen, the skirt suits, the beautiful, you know, tree-lined streets, the house, the, the, the upper middle class.

or maybe even just upper class, like calm and like and sense of ease and beauty that allows for these sort of like safe emotions. But it's it's extremely important for everything that comes after for Nancy Myers. Most important in the house. Yeah. I can't even imagine how many houses she looks at

before she picks the house. She, I mean, it's the houses in her movie is as important as the two lead characters. It's, it's certainly. the third character and usually probably the first character in almost every single one. I mean, the interesting thing is like this, so they use the exterior of the house in Pasadena. But I do think the interiors were all sets, right? Yeah.

And the backyard, the backyard, I think was different. A different house. So she's building these homes. She's like, this is her vision. It's so extraordinary. And this is like such like our early 90s, like affluent, you know, like all of the pillows and the hydrangees everywhere. where it's so specific. But it's amazing.

She could just have a beautiful career designing homes, which is why I think everyone in her movies is an architect. Like Annie is it a spy. She's an amazing architect at 22. Sure, nobody's an amazing architect at 22, but whatever. And then Steve Martin later on, and it's complicated, also an architect renovating Merrill Streep's house, specifically the kitchen, remember? So, yeah, Nancy Myers has a gift for home.

home renovation, shall we say. It would be funny if she had a terrible house. She couldn't. She couldn't pull it off for herself just in movies. She didn't direct this movie though. Charles Shire directed it. Right. Her ex-husband.

She wrote it, but she, you, it's a remake of a 1950 film. So it's technically, she's rewriting it. But I think what this movie did, because $20 million budget made $120 million. What this movie did was it allowed her to do whatever she wanted after this, I think. And that's what we see with the films that come next. And she grabs this corner of, I don't even know what the corner was, but it was sitting there for somebody and she took it.

Yes. I think it's probably female. Well, again, her ex-husband, Charles Chyre, they were like a husband and wife directing team. And they did Baby Boom. They did Father Bride, Father Bride Part 2. And then they flip. And she directs parent trap.

But I think they wrote it together. And then they divorce. And she goes off and does something's got to give and all these sorts of things. So it's the corner that she eventually develops is like woman of a certain age, just really like figuring out how to thrive in later life. Incredible. Yeah, incredible part for some actress who isn't getting incredible parts anymore. Exactly. Not too intense. Right. There's no like I have to shave my head halfway through the movie because I have cancer kind of plots. It's exactly. It's just like my divorced, my divorced

husband is a pain in the ass. It's small scale small scale conflicts. But smart, a little neurotic, and always kind of you can relate to some of the emotion. They're broad enough, whether it's the

father-daughter thing or just wanting to marry Jack Nicholson, despite having Keanu Reeves right there, which, I mean, it's tough. Every day, it's really a toss-up for me. Parent trap. Kind of a weirdly important movie. I think it's a delightful movie.

I was also, I think, what, 13, 14 when I saw it, as was Lindsay Lohan at the time. Well, I think she, unfortunately, I think, I think everything that's happened to her since has probably hurt that movie a little bit. Yes. It's kind of tragic to watch now. It really is. She's such a good actress. She's so good. It's one of the great kid actor performances ever.

Playing two roles. Ever. Yeah. She's great. Yeah. Okay. So we covered Nancy Myers. We didn't cover Roger Ebert, our guy. Three stars. Yes.

Three stars. Great. I was kind of hoping for three and a half, but he did say one of the movies with a lot of smiles and laughter in it and a good feeling all the way through. I completely agree, Roj. You nailed it. You got it, Roger. I do feel like if you go back to the contemporaneous reviews, they are all under the shadow of the remake. You know, they're just like this Spencer Tracy.

And Spencer Tracy is like one of the great Hollywood icons, as you said. But the further you get from both the original and the remake, I just don't feel the remake anxiety that I think some of the critics at the time. Not at all. My daughter didn't mean know there was a remake. Right. I think there was an Elizabeth Taylor thing too, because she's another one who,

I think of this a lot, like when you think about what's going to happen like 50 years from now when you're dead. Or like what? Yeah, yeah. The reality is you just disappear. And Elizabeth Taylor, felt like the biggest star in the world in the 60s. And then when I was growing up in the 70s,

it still felt like she was still kind of one of the biggest stars in the world, even though she wasn't doing anymore. And I know all the way through the 80s, she still felt like this enormous deal. So when they're remaking Father of the Bride in 91, they're still in Elizabeth Taylor Hangover. Like, I'm sorry. Like, it's 40 years and you think, like,

who are the biggest stars in 1982, 83? If you remade a movie with them, if you remade risky business, Tom Cruise would hang over that movie. You just was. No, it is true. Though it is funny, generationally,

you know, I did my research. I learned about Elizabeth Taylor, but, you know, white diamonds is the first thing I think of when I think of Elizabeth Taylor, which is the perfume commercials

that ran through like the late 80s, early 90s. Well, my generation was just like this lady keeps getting married. What's going on here? She got married eight times. She really did.

It was always like the Johnny Carson, blah, blah, blah, or Elizabeth Taylor. and she became a punchline for that. All right, we're going to take a break. A lot to cover with the categories. I can't wait. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana.

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as saying, you really have to prove to me that that's going to work. I'm going to go into that thinking this is a mistake. We shouldn't have done this. There is a better way to move the narrative alone. It works in this one because the monologue's really good and he's really good in it. Completely agree on both fronts. The monologue also sets up the, you know, the voiceover narration, which is another warning sign for me usually of like, oh, you guys didn't get it together in the script. But obviously there are many famous counter examples to that.

And I think this is one of them. No, you and I are aligned on that. narration is usually a crutch and you really, like Goodfellas is a good example of like narration. Totally worked. Totally works. A lot of times they're usually trying to put scotch tape on whatever the pot holes were with the narration. But this one, because you actually see Steve Martin talking and because he nails the monologue, then the narration, I think, actually adds to the rest of the movie because it allows the George character to say what he can't really say in the moment.

to the people until the very end. I agree. From that moment on, you're in constant panic. Couldn't be more true. That's true. My daughter getting a driver's license is the monkey wrench in my life I never wanted. Sure. I look at Life 360.

I wonder where she is constantly. I see the car moving. I'm like, where's it going? It's a nightmare. Just wait someday, Amanda. Next rewatchable scene, Annie tells them she's getting married. Yeah. So this scene was rewatchable anyway because Steve Martin's so funny in it.

It's totally rewatchable in a different way now because nobody gets married at age 22. So now I watch this and like, oh my God, I would have like an aneurysm if my daughter came back from a trip. I was like, I'm getting married. Last night while I was falling asleep, I was actually doing the math of everyone's ages in that scene because they start arguing. And Steve Martin's like, you're too young. And Diane Keaton is like I was younger when we got made. married. I was this age when I had her. So I'm like, okay, so now Diane Keaton's like 44 and the mother of the bride, which is very young these days for mother of the bride. She looks fantastic.

Diane Keaton just really making the 90s gap fashion work for her. But everyone here is just, they're jumping into the things. The timeline, it's compressed. I will say in 1991, it felt early. Okay. I mean, it is. She's 22. I went to, I graduated college in 92. I went to one wedding that year from a class that was older than mine where the people dated all through college and they got married a year later. And then one of my roommates got married two years after we graduated. So he was like 24. 24 is kind of when it starts 22. It's like somebody might be pregnant if you're getting married at 22. Right. Well, has she graduated from college yet? Because she's doing the study abroad program and it's not clear to me. Like, has she graduated and then is doing an extra study abroad? You don't finish college with a study abroad program.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it seemed like almost like a graduate program. But then they should have said she was 24. I actually think it was a mistake. But I think they're trying to stay faithful to the 1950 movie, which absolutely people got married when they were 22 in 1950. It does not happen as much anymore. Anyway, Steve Martin's unbelievable in that scene.

But he's really, really great. His facial expressions are so good at that scene. I also like the flashback when there's suddenly the seven-year-old with the braid, it's like, Dad, I met a man in Rome and he's a genius and fabulous. We're getting married. Yeah. I mean, I think about that all the time. That is like a perfect 30-second encapsulation of parents, like complete inability to think of children as like actual adults.

It's very useful to understanding your own parents. I can say firsthand knowledge. I still in my head, my daughter's like eight years old. And I just can't. I can't get past it. I think that makes sense. That's reasonable. Like my wife was telling me they went to dinner and they had wine and my daughter

a glass of wine. I'm like, what? Wow. Yeah, it's like, yeah, she's okay. Yeah. She can try wine. I want her to like try this stuff. But it's just in my head, she's still seven.

One other thing about the getting married scene, which I think is important. I'm not saying this just to cater to you. I swear. Yeah. I don't need to suck up. We've known each other too long. I don't need to suck up to you. I think Diane Keaton's really good in this scene.

She's great. As it goes along and as the daughter is laying out the case, this is why I fell in love and this is what happened. And she's so excited and Steve Martin's so horrified. And Diane Keaton's like welling up. Like she gets it. Yeah. She's locked in and she's like really genuinely happy.

And that's like that can only be a really good actress in that moment. You know what I mean? Totally. Both of them are actually recreating the timeline. of being like, wait, okay, she's telling me something. Wait, is this what I think it is. Oh, my gosh, it is, it is what I think it is. And you can see the moment when Diane Keaton's character is like, oh, this is what's

happening. And you can see when Steve Martin is like, oh, this is happening in a completely different way. And also the juxtaposition of their two faces. I mean, it's truly funny. They're great actors. She totally gets it. You can see she's a little suspicious but happy.

Yeah. And then as she's hearing the case, she's in. She's like the daughter sold her in two minutes. And she's like just genuinely happy. This is my little girl. And Steve Martin is just completely horrified. It's really good. Listen, I think this movie alone made up for K. Corleone and Godfather won in my opinion for Dianke.

I agree with you. It's made up for both sides of that. This made up for her just getting in the limo and leaving all the school kids behind on the street when Michael Corleone. It was gone for five years. It's also a good performance. We don't have to get into Godfather right now. You know what I feel about her character. Listen, I will take my Kate Correleone stance to the grave.

I mean, you can hate her or you can hate the person. She just wasn't. No, I hate the character. I hate the character. I hate her in the movie. It doesn't make sense. It should be a different actress, but I love Diane Keaton. I'm sorry.

I didn't hear from me in five years. By the way, I married a 16 year old in Italy and then she blew up. I've been back for a year. Let's get back together. What? It makes no sense. Oh my God. Wait, can I say just some more things about the dining room scene?

Yeah. Like all of the writing around it of Steve Martin going through. I can get tickets to like Paul Simon at the forum. And then, you know, all right, Paul Simon's an, um, sure, okay. Just the details are very funny as well. And Lakers game, but I don't think magic's even on the Lakers at that point. It's like these two things that are cool, but not as cool as they've made it seem to pay for 10 years ago.

Exactly. Oh, and then, wait, I'm sorry, one more thing. Independent communications consultant is still... Great stuff. My in-laws were in town the other week, and they were talking about some cousin who's, like, starting his own media company. And, like, before I could help myself, it just, like, slipped out. And I was, like, independent, that's code for unemployed.

Like, to my in-laws about, like, a very nice cousin of theirs. But it's so good. It just makes me laugh every time. What do you think his job would be now in the 2020-20-1 version of this movie? What's his job? Well, I don't think he has to go to Rome anymore. I think he can do everything from like his sad, you know, one-room computer layer. Right.

He's got a studio. Yeah, exactly. Like down in the arts district in LA. Exactly. Right. And so he's not meeting anyone at like mid-n-n-end screen. He's like a computer programmer probably. Exactly.

He's an independent computer programmer. I'm sure he's doing well, but he's probably not socializing as much. next scene meeting Brian the son-in-law yeah it's so good and we'll have the Brian conversation later because I have some yeah yeah yeah

some thoughts on that as well but sure yes I do as well he's kind of perfect I think so too he's not really a part of the story the story is about George and Annie and Nina and their family

and so it doesn't really matter who shows up he kind of should be like an affable zero, you know? He should be handsome for the pictures, but not handsome in a way that the dad would immediately get threatened and think the guy was a player. He should be like simple and happy, but not seeming like he's got some sinister angle.

He's just kind of... Like, not really a threat, actually. Just like a normal guy named Brian McKenzie, which is just like a very generic funny name as well, that you sort of do forget about. That seems good. He has to, Steve Martin's growing him a little bit. I like all that.

Next one I have is cutting down the wedding list, which is a shorter scene. But if you've ever been married, it's so cutthroat as you're trying to figure out whatever you want to get to your number, the best part is they're like, wait, didn't Harry Kirby die last year? Steve Bart's like, yes. Yes, that's great. Cross him off. That scene absolutely slaughters me.

the the, the, the, the, the, the, uh, the bunder fight, which we needed a little

melodrama in there, but I actually think, I think Kimberly Williams, and we'll talk about her later, too, I think she's really good in that scene. She is.

Yeah. It's completely ridiculous that she's that upset about it, but she really does sell it. And, you know, it needs that because the dad needs to form some sort of relationship

with the son-in-law, and he realizes, like, oh, my love for my daughter trumps, whether I think this marriage should be happening or not,

I've got to help her out. my daughter's in trouble, which is how you should react. But it does also have like the physical comedy of him like opening the box to like expecting some horror and just like a blender comes out. And like Steve Martin just like grappling with his blender is generally very funny. Last one I have is the kid montage, uh, basketball scene. Yeah. I mean, I knew that the, and it is the montage into the basketball scene.

It's really important with the darling love. You're just playing. That's just for me. at that. That's a lot of the things I care about in one movie. This is where you and I meet. And it's the same. It's so good. And it's so cheesy. And, you know, even like, even the line at the end of the basketball scene where he's just like, I know I'm just thinking about how I'll remember this moment for the rest of my life. I didn't cry, Bill, when I said it just now, which we got to account as an achievement for me. Because it gets me every time. I got choked up, but I just fought it off. Okay, that's good.

Because I knew my daughter would make fun of me because she's kind of a cyborg with these movies. I did not put a Frank scene in this. And we could talk about Frank later. Yeah, I think there's an obvious category for that one. I have a lot of Frank thoughts. But what's the most rewatchable scene for you? Mine is Annie saying she's getting married. Yeah, it's got to be that first family dinner scene.

Because it sets up all of the dynamics of the movie and everybody's very funny in it. Okay. What's age the best? Kieran Culkin. Incredible! My God! What a month for Kieran Culkin! This might be the best,

what's age the best in the history of what's age the best. It's really good. It is so fucking hilarious to watch this and think that kid's going to be Roman Roy. It's really. And even at that dinner table scene that we were just talking about, he gets a few reaction shots. And his tiny little face is not that different from Roman's face sitting at some of the like succession boardroom tables.

It is amazing. We were, my wife and I were dying and my daughter was getting mad for us because she didn't watch Succession. But it was just like, oh my God, we're just waiting like is there going to be like a, what's the eight-year-old equivalent of a dick pick scene? Like, what do we have? He plays it very standard simple. But it's just so funny to think he's going to grow up to be one of the most arranged characters in the history of HBO. And he's very cute. And they give him a couple like kids scenes stealing moments.

And he nails them. He's very funny. The show for a thing is great. Yeah. And jelling his hair back for the wedding, very cute. Morewood's age the best. What can I say? I'm a father.

Worrying comes to the territory. Bang. Put that on my gravestone. Kimberly Williams. Yeah. Just have utter delight in this movie. I thought she did a great job. She's really likable.

And I actually thought she was going to be a bigger star after this movie. But I think this movie is so distinct. I think it's hard. You can't imagine. What is she going to do next? Like she tried. She was in a couple different things, but it's so hard to disassociate father of the bride from her. Well, she and Steve Martin actually do have father-daughter chemistry in this.

And that's really hard to manufacture. And so a lot of what's happening in it is that you just see them really connecting and it's very moving. And I don't know whether you put her in scenes with other people in, you know, different dramatic scenarios, whether it has the same punch. But they really do work. Even those pickup basketball scenes, very charming, the way they,

like, dance around each other. Yeah, she, she's actually pretty believable in those scenes. So she was in, I think like a year and a half later, she was an Indian summer, which was one of the many terrible big show ripoffs. Right. Sure.

It's kind of watchable, terrible. I'm not going to, like, shit on it too much. It is watchable, but she's, In that, and I think that was going to be, is this going to happen or not? Didn't totally happen. And then, and then fathered Brad 2 and then a bunch of TV movies, TV shows. Then she married Brad Paisley. Right.

And kind of became Mrs. Brad Paisley. It became. Yes. Yeah. Which not a bad thing. He's super famous and she got into it and the whole thing. But there was a moment there where I thought, oh, if there's like a new brat pack for the early 90s, she could be in it. No, I mean, she's still defined by it.

I remember when she married. Brad Paisley, the amount of like father of the bride wedding content around their marriage, which let's be honest. I clicked on a lot of it. Who am I to judge? But she's, she's, she's Annie.

100%. San Marino. I'm putting that in as a wood stage the best, especially after having gone to many soccer games there. And it's a wonderful place. I think San Marino is a little like fight club. They don't, it's like San Diego's like this too where they don't,

the people that live there don't tell anybody. about it. Yeah. It's super nice. They don't want anyone else to know. They just keep it as their secret. Really nice place. Even like one of those places you see the old school hardware stores and yeah, it's very beautiful. The drug stores that have like ice cream sundaes in them and things like that. It's really nice. I remember Ryan Gosling and Eva Medez went house hunting in San Marino once. You know, it was like covered on the real estate blogs that and and I was like, where is San Marino? What is this? And you you set me straight very quickly. You were. like this is, this is a secretly very nice place.

This is where the fancy people go. I don't know if it's that secret anymore. I feel like the secret's out. I have the basketball scene for Wood's age the best, only because we've seen this go badly. This is about as well as it's going to go. First of all, dads and daughters don't really play one-on-one like this. You'd play horse.

You'd have shooting contests. You wouldn't. No dad wants to play their five-foot-two daughter in basketball. You just don't. There's nothing fun about that. but you would have like a three-point shooting contest. But they make it work. She's believable.

She has some good moves. And I believe that the worst basketball scene ever in a movie is in Teen Wolf. Okay. And Booth plays with Teen Wolf's dad. And I don't even know what the game is, but they're just, they're both shooting. They're whipping the ball off the backwards. So if that's a one, this is like an eight. Oh, that's pretty high.

I was going to ask you. I'm not an expert like you are. I appreciate the celebration and all of the context that they put. around the basketball. You know, they're clearly having fun. It also does seem like Steve Martin makes at least one of the trick shots himself. Oh, yeah. He definitely does.

Like they don't cut away every single time, which I give Steve Martin credit for. I think he's an unbelievable athlete. I think that's why. Oh, really? Well, the physical comedy. That's why. That's true. You can't be that good at moving your body unless you're also coordinated.

So I would guess like, yeah. I have no idea if he's like a good tennis player, a good golfer, but I would just would think he would be. Makes sense. You think about like the parenthood, the famous Little League scene. Oh yeah. When his son does something good and he runs it and he has like all that.

Like you just can't not be a good athlete and pull off a scene like that. A couple more would say it's the best. The overwhelmed dad who can't totally afford the wedding is just a great movie plot. When does that not work in a movie? Every single time. But I think this is one of the best ones. Yeah. They get all of the like as someone who has had a wedding in the last decade,

Like, it's still very accurate to how all of these people operate and how things spin out of control very quickly. And suddenly you need a tulip border and there are swans and people you've never met running around being like, let me tell you about your blue suit. It's, it really, it holds up. It sounded like you said, 150 ahead. I was about to kill myself. And it was 250 ahead. That part's great. Yeah.

We mentioned the house for what stage the best. And then Steve Martin said this about the movie. This movie represents the complete death of the hippie Laurel wreath standing on the mountaintop marriage. Although it's been dead a long time. This is the first movie to see it. I thought that was interesting. So it's like this end of the baby boomer generation.

Yes. Yeah. There are kids getting married. It kind of plants the flag on that. And then I think it scared everyone else off because it did it so well. Yes. Can I add one more? Yeah.

Add as many as you want. The hot dog hot dog bun scene. Oh, yeah. Okay, but this as a problem in America persists. And I, and I have a meltdown every single time it happens to be. The other week, we tried to order curtains for a room in our house, Bill. And so you need the curtain and you need the curtain rod. And then you need like the ring that attaches the curtain right.

And the curtains had like seven holes. and the rings are only sold in packs of nine. And then suddenly I'm just like doing math. And seven and nine are like really hard to multiply as well. You know, they don't match up. And I've got the calculator out. And all I could think about was the hot dog, hot dog bun scene and father of the bride.

We have identified this fraud that is being perpetrated on us. It's been 30 years. No one's fixed it. Please help us. I tell my daughter's really stressed out about math. She's not that good at it. It's her one week spot. And I was like, look, when you get older, the only two things you're going to have to worry

about are adding up a tip at a restaurant and when you have to figure out fractions for hot dog butts and hot dogs. That's really it. Those are the two things you need math for. Other than that, you'll be fine. Other people will do the math for you. It's totally true. But it drives me insane every time.

We haven't solved this. It's amazing. 30 years haven't solved yet. All right. We're going to take another break. And then we're going to do what's age the worst, which is a surprise a long list for me. Are you looking for support in your weight management journey?

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Where do you stand on Father of the Bride, too? Do you wish it exists? Would you rather it didn't exist? I'm okay with Father of the Bride too because I, well, I mean, it's obviously more far-fetched, but, you know, Bill, pregnancy and all that stuff pretty weird. So it's like they do manage in the same way that Father of the Bride comments on weddings and that thing very smartly, I think. Father of the Bride, too, is sort of funny for that. But I agree that maybe it would be better if everyone just lived happily ever after in a vacuum.

Where does it stand in the money grab rankings for you? It's not the most offensive. Maybe I like it more than most people. I do like this family. Well, $30 million budget for that one made $76.6. Okay. So maybe not the most effective money grab? Yeah, it's like bringing Fronk back, but his accent wasn't as strong the second time.

I don't know. I had some issues. Maybe Father of the Bride, too, is better if Kieran Culkin really is leaning into Roman Roy. Yes, exactly. Like a 13-year-old. It's really going up the rails. Morwood's age the worst. The virtual Netflix sequel, I think, was one of the low points of the pandemic.

I would agree with you. I don't blame them for doing it. We're all in a weird place. We're trying to figure out what entertainment is when none of us can leave our houses. But when you look back at that, that's how low our standards were. And that's how bad of a headspace we all were in a country where it was like, hey, this is a good idea. Let's do a Zoom table read. Nobody wanted to be on Zoom more.

I agree. And like watching it now takes you back to that particular moment in time, which I just don't ever want to revisit. Who wants to go back to April 2020, whatever that was? Not me. Yeah. The parking situation at the wedding is the what stage the worst, just because nobody would drive to a wedding now for a couple of reasons. One, you would take Uber. Two, way more drunk driving awareness, probably starting in the 2000s.

But in 1991, you would have driven to a. wedding and been like, I hope I don't get stopped on the way home was kind of weirdly the mindset back then. There's a hundred cars for, there are way too many cars too. Everything about the parking feels weird. And then the cops are able to drive up to the driveway, which I'm like logistically, this doesn't make sense. Like how did the car?

Yeah, I agree with you. And then having little kids driving the cars. Sure. Right. But that's funny. So it's funny. But that's not, it wouldn't happen. A 14-year-old would be rough.

Right. Diane Keaton's clothes, some winners. There's a couple where it's like, what's going on here? You're wearing khaki pants and it's all over the map. It's so of a moment, though, and also is really coming back because, you know, everything old is due again. Yeah. And she, it's very hard to pull off that like high-waisted khaki with this denim shirt like tucked in.

And the hair of that length, most people, it's just not working for them. And she makes it work. So I, you know, I think it's era and context appropriate. So age the worst, but now aging the best because it's kind of coming back. Yes. A little bit. Exactly. Another what's age or worse, bear with me. Slight stunt casting with Diane Keaton as the mom in this movie at the time that now nobody would think was stunt casting. But in the moment, it was kind of one of the hooks of the movie. It's like, yeah, Diane Keaton's the mom and father of the bride.

It's like, wow, Diane Keen's going to be the mom of somebody who's going to get married, that seemed, it was like, whoa, that might be a stretch and then it wasn't. But now you wouldn't think that. Right. And I guess also it's, I mean, it's, I don't want to say a thankless role because we both agree she's really good in it, but she's not the star of the movie. It's a thankless role. Yeah.

That she makes really good. That she, that we are giving her thanks for. you could have put a much worse actress in that role and that part disappears basically. That's true. But it is a movie about the dad and the daughter. So it's hard for, she's got to get, you know, you got to run some plays out there, get some shots for her and they do it. And she's, I think she maximizes whatever the potential was.

Last, what's age is the worst for me. I just don't love the falling in the pool scene. I think it's super hacky and gimmicky. It's adorable. Right. get it. We needed some levity. We need it. But I just, I just, it's too unrealistic. The rest of the movie is like at least realistic. Anything that happens. That scene is like, this would never happen. Come on. The, when he's going through the medicine cabinet and then the rear falls off the window,

that, that's funny. That is realistic. And that makes me laugh. Even like going in the desk and like kind of thumbing through stuff. Realistic. But then it gets silly. And I laugh at the dogs part because those dogs are very scary. And I'm. person, like when they're aggressive dogs, I don't really know what to do. So I often always think, like, release. You're right. So it's like stayed with me. I guess it's helped me negotiate difficult dogs in my own life. But it does, it goes on for a while. Yeah. I get why they did it. It's, I think it's on the silly scale, uh, ramps up a tiny bit too much. Anymore what's age the worst for you? Well, when do you want to talk about Martin Short? Let's, I, you know, I was going to

I had a, let's do it now. Well, because I would say specifically, like the accent gag just is not a type of comedy we do anymore. Like, oh, what? I can't understand you. And, you know, making jokes about like,

you know, it's not broken English in this case, but just this whole, like, very running gag of being like, you don't speak how I speak. We just, that's not,

that's not comedy in 2021. And we talk, I know you guys talk about it all the time on you watchables that a lot of comedy doesn't, doesn't age well. But this is one where it's

kind of the whole character. Yeah, it's funny. I wasn't even going to go 2021 with it. I was thinking more like, it's a one-note gag. Yeah. You see,

the first time you see the movie it works, but the eighth time, you're just like, all right, get this guy out of here. I get it. He's got it.

Nobody can understand his accent. Like, right. I actually think B.D. Wong is funnier than him. Yes. But I just,

it's hard to believe this 30 years ago. This was like a phenomenon. Totally. Martin Short, as this character was like, oh my God. This is one of the funny, is he going to get nominated for an Oscar?

Like, people thought this was hilarious. Right. It's like, eh. And you bring up that he is like brought back for Father of the Bride Part 2 and arguably like plays a larger role. Though the scene where he's leading them both in the workouts is still to me pretty funny in Father of the Bride Part 2. But yeah, it's just, it's it's one note, as you said. So my daughter who's pretty, she's of this generation where they're going to judge all this stuff. Yeah.

She wasn't. She was more like that guy's annoyed. Yeah. Like, all right, I get it. Nobody can understand him. Like, he's in the movie. I don't know for how many minutes, but it's like three minutes too long

with the same joke. Yes, exactly. And probably my least favorite part of the movie. All right, casting what ifs. Steve Martin cast before they wrote the screenplay. Huh. They locked him in. They knew it was a remake.

Can we get Steve Martin? Yes. And then they wrote it, Nancy Myers and Charles Scher. So the rarely seen casting anti-what-if. They knew they knew the movie was better on him. This was a stunning one to me. Phoebe Cates offered the role of Annie Banks. Wow.

Wow. Because she was pregnant. Wow. Though, I mean, that could have worked in the movie, as you said, like, why are people getting married at 22, even in 1991? But I guess that would make it a little more scandalous than they wanted to show. Yeah, but she would have been like 29. Yeah.

Yeah. But Phoebe Cates, who my generation completely loves and is all in on, but never had like great follow-up role and then just got married to Kevin Kline and started having kids. But there's this alternate universe career for her that I think. Yeah. I got to say her versus Demi Moore, it's like pretty, if she had just said I'm fighting for every Demi Moore part with Demi Moore, I think she gets half of them. then that's also an interesting one-if for Jimmy Moore, but that's a whole other, yeah. Diane Keaton. Mm-hmm.

This are her words. Disney Studios, Jeffrey Katzenberg at the time. Didn't ever want to work with me. Charles Shire and Nancy Myers who'd work with me before I had to beg to get me into Father of the Bride. Just before Father of the Bride, I'd done a movie called The Good Mother, which was a big failure. Like big failure, and that was it. That was a Disney movie.

So when Charles and Nancy wanted me for Father of the Bride, Disney didn't want anything to do with me. Now, I don't even remember the good mother to you. No. I looked it up. I don't even remember it coming out. No idea. It is. Apparently Jeffrey Katzenberg was like, nope, she's out.

Well, Disney. So there you go. You got lucky that Diane Keaton did it anyway. Great job, Disney. It all worked out. Best That guy, aka the Joey Pants Award. B.D. Wong's won this before. I think he wins it again. Do people, does everyone know that's B.D. Wong? Or is it just like B.U. and fantasy and Chris Ryan. Is B.D. Wong? People know that's him or do they know him as that guy from this? I think they know him as a that guy. I don't think he's B.D. Wong. If they know him. Well, I know him from this. So it's hard for me to, everywhere else, he's like Bidi Wong from Father of the Bride. So maybe he has some sort of awareness. But, Well, then the other nominee is the guy who plays the son-in-law, whose name I didn't know until I looked it up when I was researched in this movie.

So that would be the other candidate. Does he do anything else? Can you be that guy just for one movie, like the movie in question? O Contrere. His name is George Newburn. Okay. His IMDB has been in like 200 things. Okay.

But have you seen them? Have I seen them? Yeah. He's been in a bunch of shows just like he hasn't had starring roles. He was in, in 2001, he was in one of the comic book movies. Sure. Weren't we all? But here's the crazy George Newbernstatt.

Okay. One of the highly prolific, respected audiobook narrators in the world. Really? As of September 2020, over 350 credits on Audible. Wow. Yeah. He's like one of the guys for audio books. By the way, that's lucrative.

Yeah, great sad by George. Now that I'm looking at, I forgot that he, had a long run on scandal. Oh, yeah. Which I did watch. In Providence. He was in Providence for a while. But he's aged and he looks so different that I almost don't think of him as the guy

from Father of the Bride when he's on scandal. All right. So we'll give him, we'll give it to George Newbern. I think B.D. Wong has graduated from Joey Pants. Yeah. The audible stat is interesting. Good for him. Vincent Hanna, give me all you got a word for best overacting.

Martin Short. I mean, Jesus. Sure. But is it even like best overacting? It's just most overacting. Most overacting. Okay. Great.

I agree. Dionne Waiter's Award. Mm-hmm. For best heat check. Okay. I'm not giving it a Martin short. No. Because I think both of us are kind of annoyed by that performance.

Eugene Levy's in one scene. He's fine. I really like B.D. Wong. I think he's really funny in this movie. I love his facial expressions that I thought I think he really adds something. So Diane Keaton has too much. to work with. Too many lines.

She's the second biggest star in the movie. I know, but as we said, it's like a thankless role. No, she's in the whole movie. Okay. Well, I just want to say the dying came's great. And also Kieran Culkin's not eligible.

Could be eligible. I guess if you're watching him under the Roman Roy prison, maybe he's. Yeah. Maybe he's more fun. He gets a few moments. You know, and there's that like really beautiful,

lovely scene like when he's practicing right before the wedding. And, you know, then he and he say good night to each other. And it's like, I love you, dad. look, you know. All right. I like it.

Okay. We'll give it to Karen Coken. Recasting Couch. Okay. This is one of my favorite recasting couches I've had. I can't wait for your reaction. Wow. Okay.

As the son-in-law, I'm taking you back to 1991. Think of it in the 1991 context. George Clooney. But that bill, that changes everything. Even 91 Clooney has so much charisma. He's just pulling the focus. So I like it. But then you're making, it's not a movie about seeing.

I'm reinventing the movie is what I'm doing. I'm thinking Moet Facts of Life, George Clooney, where it's like he's still boyish. I don't feel like he's going to steal anybody's wife or girlfriend. He's charming. You could see how he could have met this woman in Italy and stolen her away. Right. And now as you're watching this years later, it's like, oh, my, I can't believe George Clooney was the son-in-law. It just would have been a fun wrinkle.

I mean, it is a fun wrinkle, but he, like, you know, when Steve Martin's like, do we know that this guy is, how old is this guy, has anyone run a background check, yada, yada, you can see him being slightly more of a threat, even facts of life. Good point. All right. I try. Have fast internet research. Only have a couple because I've mentioned some of them. There's some guy named Tom Irish who made his film debut in The Father of the Bride in 18. And his last film appearance in this movie.

And he played the same character in both, Ben Banks. So popped up. That's very cute. Spencer Tracy nominated for Best Actor in 1950 for the original father of the bride lost to Jose Farrar for Cyrano de Bergerac. Martin Short portrayed the wedding planner. The portrayals based on somebody named Kevin Lee, who makes regular appearances on the Real House of Beverly Hills.

Oh. And assisted with Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston's weddings. What are your favorites? I'll bet he did. Yeah. I want to talk more about this as a wedding movie in nitpicks. I think this is like a great wedding movie and also I've got some notes. Can't wait.

The house with the actual inside house sold for $1.998 million in August 2016. This is where the wedding reception and the backyard stuff was filmed. Okay. So I got the basketball. The exteriors were filmed at the Pasadena house that I've driven by. The people paid $9.50 for the house in 1999. It's not worth way more than that. But people come by all the time, take pictures.

I'm sure. It's like the Michael Myers house and a bunch of them. Yeah. That's all I got for that. Apex Mountain. Steve Martin, you can make the case maybe. Like at this point, I still think it's probably 1978 or 1979 range. when he's got the jerk out.

He's the biggest comic in the world. He's on S&L. That's the most famous. So I would say that. You could make a case for second career Steve Martin right around here. Like mainstream Steve Martin? Mainstream Steve Martin. Starts here?

Because I don't think he like hosts the Oscars or does any of his sort of just kind of America's dad stuff without this movie. Yeah. Mainstream Steve Martin. This is Apex Mountain. Okay. Diane Keaton, no. But mainstream Diane Keaton still. still know, but that's probably in the mid-90s, right?

That's 95 range. Well, I would say it's something's got to give, which is her, like, full Nancy Myers movie that she stars in. And I think that's like 2003. Yeah. I think that's really 2000. But Diane Key and the apex mountain is Annie Hall. So what's interesting is they both have their apex mountain.

Right. Like 13, 14 years before this movie. Kimberly Williams, yes. Father-daughter movie is undeniably yes. Yes. Nancy Myers, no. San Marino, 100% yes. Dad's.

Probably not, but I'd throw it out there. Wedding movies? It might be for me. Do you have? I think so, too. Even though we have nitpicks, I still think it's the wedding movie apex. It's a whole movie built around a wedding

that's ultimately like a happy movie and not Rachel's getting married where it's just complete dysfunction and people fucking in the basement. Right. And it's like all of your other favorite wedding movies or movies that, you know, except for like the godfather. I don't count the godfather is a wedding movie, even though the wedding is important. But yeah, I'll come after Father with Bride. This like really starts the 90s explosion of everything from four weddings and a funeral to wedding planner and wedding singer and you name it. People are like, oh yeah, weddings. Great setting for a movie. Right. I'm with you. That's all I have for effects, ma'am. Okay. One more break, and then we're going to pick some minutes.

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So many issues with the wedding itself. There's no father, father, daughter dance. I mean, just the father would be present at the wedding. Especially a wedding this organized, like he would be there taking photos. Like he would have to, they would need to make sure there's someone who's in charge of running the wedding who would insist that he be. there before they cut the cake or they do all the sorts of things, just for the photos alone. He's like part of the run of show. I agree with you.

Also, I was going to weddings in the late 80s, early 90s. The father-daughter dance was happening at those weddings. A lot of the stuff that we have now, weddings was happening in the late 80s, early 90s, including all the freaking songs you hear. A lot of the playlist just hasn't changed. They've added new ones, but a lot of the old ones from the 70s are still there. The best man speech. The made of honor speech, I got to say, that was probably added like mid-90s.

I felt like that became more of a thing as around mid-90s. The parent, usually the dad of the bride giving a brief toast, that is now morphed into everybody gives a speech at the wedding. It's true. We got to cut back on that, everybody. Yeah. Just a note. The speech police needs to maybe step in.

But the father-daughter dance, the first dance between the bride and groom and the father-daughter and dance were fucking staple. since whenever we had weddings. I don't know how they don't have it in this. They never have a dance. And then Brian and Annie's first dances with everybody's on the dance floor already. They don't have their moment. I thought for all the money they paid for a wedding planner,

where are the special dances? Well, this is another thing where in the scene you really like where they're going through the wedding invitations and trying to cut down the wedding list. So the wedding planner is getting an invitation to the wedding. And Steve Martin is outraged about this. and everyone else in his family is like, of course we have to invite him. You know, he planned the wedding.

I was Steve Martin. No, you don't have to invite him. He's working at the wedding. Like, he's in charge. He doesn't need an invitation. That's his work day. What are we doing? Also, the invitation responses never come back all in a row.

Half the time that people forget to respond and you have to call them and check and make sure they're actually coming or not. Okay. Let's talk about this list for a second. The initial list is like 500 people. I don't know. I've never been to a wedding with 500 plus people. That's insane.

You're inviting cousins of cousins at that point. I don't know 500 people. Yeah. That was ridiculous. That was absolutely ridiculous. And then when Steve Martin once again is, you know, setting limits and he's like, we are only inviting 150 people to this wedding and everyone else treats him like a monster. I'm like 150 people.

That's a lot. It's a sizable wedding. Yeah. Mine was 128. And we left some people in the cutting room four and there was blood. Mine was 150 because my in-laws, who actually, my husband planned the whole wedding. So I shouldn't. They were wonderful.

But their list was like, you know, and we have nine relatives from Denmark who also have to come in, et cetera, like a lot of people. And it was still only 150 people. It was a large wedding. It's a tradition of five people from Copenhagen to your wedding. What about that one? That is? And did the bride's family is supposed to? to pay for nine international tickets from Denmark? I did not know about that.

Ludicrous. Yeah. That doesn't make sense to me. So she's in Italy for three months falling in love with Brian. Yeah. I know we didn't have email back then. We didn't have texting. Right. Pretty sure we had telephones. Sure. Yeah. Seems pretty close with their parents, especially her mom. Seems like the mom daughter have an awesome relationship. At no point it's like, hey, I met somebody. That's not a conversation she has with her mom ever. Did you have phone cards in 1991? Yeah. Yeah, this, because this is what I remember, like, you know, from my study abroad phase was like, you went and you got the phone card. It, like, did sort of have email, but you were saving to make sure that you would call in once a

week. I completely agree with this. Also, when they go visit the in-laws. Also, like, what are they, they don't hear from her for, they don't hear from her for two months. You assume she's dead? Like, of course, she's going to check in once a week. Right. And it's like they know when her flight takes off and lands. You know, they know when she's coming home. So they have some information about her. But also, so the in-laws do go to Rome and they talk about how they got to meet Annie and spend a few days with her. So the in-laws knew. I don't know whether this was like kid of divorce sense tingling. But I was like, in real life, if you didn't tell your parents about your fiance, but your in-laws had actually gotten the information several months ahead. and had a lot more access, there would be major. Furious. Furious.

Like huge family fight. Furious. Yeah. I also think because the husband's family was obviously much wealthier than Steve Martin's family. I think that family offers to chip in. Oh, totally. And at least for the Copenhagen flights. They're not just sitting back and letting Steve Martin plan anything.

If anything, they're trying to flaunt their wealth a little bit and be like, let us pay for this. let us pay for that. Also, where was the rehearsal dinner? This is a great point. No rehearsal dinner? Everybody just meets on that Saturday? Totally skipped it. I have no idea. And also...

Because that's what the grooms family pays for the rehearsal dinner in most cases. So they would have had this fancy one at the Bel Air Country Club. That's a whole like 10-minute scene we could have had that they just don't have. It would have been very good. Come on, Nancy Myers. Hans-Mier's, get your shit together. There is that scene in the kitchen, like, after, Steve Martin imagines the whole wedding at the steak pit, which is wonderful.

Honestly, it looks like a great wedding. When Diane Keaton is like the in-laws did offer to pay and Steve Martin, you know, takes umbrage at that and it's like, we can afford to pay for everything, which is, which is another like sort of nitpick in this movie where the Bel Air relatives are supposed to be like extremely unfathomely wealthy. And Steve Martin and Diane Keaton are just like average people. these people have a beautiful million dollar home in San Marino

and are they're doing they're doing well themselves. They have a fucking awesome backyard. Yes, exactly. Yeah, that is hard to get a backyard like that's people are also thriving, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, no rehearsal dinner was just super annoying. No Sunday breakfast after like what? This only happens in movies where people get married and then they immediately have to go on a plane to wherever the honeymoon is. Who does it? I've never been to a wedding in my life

where the people left that. night to go on their honeymoon. It's never happened ever. I mean, even if you're just thinking about timing-wise, what, they leave at nine o'clock. That's probably the earliest you could leave to catch a red-eye from L.A. to Hawaii. Just wait a day. Go the next day. But like the flights to Hawaii aren't leaving at nine o'clock. You get red eyes on the way home from Hawaii flying back to L.A. But there's no, I agree with you. I will say, though, I mean, you're 100% right. By the way, my best friend's wedding does it too. They're like, we got to get out. We got our honeymoon. moon to go to. It's like, you're fucking rich. You're going to fly on a private jet to wherever you're

going. This is 100% not how it works in real life. I agree with you. But it does end the movie well. You know, it's like, I appreciate it's a quick ending. They're getting out of the movie. It's not an extended, you know, 20 minute sequence with everyone hugging. It's, it's to the point. So I appreciate it. I have a thought on that, but I'm going to hold it for the probably in answerable questions. Okay. more picking nits. There's a 14-year age difference between Kimberly Williams and Karen Culkin. Again, this is some of the math that I did last night.

So if Diane Keaton was 22 when she had Kimberly Williams, then you add 14, 36, totally viable. And they do even say that I've never seen in my life an age, unless it's an adoption, I've never seen an age difference like that just with two naturally born kids. That's insane. You have, but like usually there are kids in the middle, you know? And then there's like once they, and so it's a family that wanted to have like three kids and suddenly they have five because, you know, surprise later in life. But they, he does sort of acknowledge it in the, they try to play it soft, but they do acknowledge in the voiceover. It's like, Maddie showed up a surprise a few years later.

So I guess they just. A few years later. I know. It's like 14 years later. Yeah. It snows in L.A. in this movie, which is. Okay. Now you can make a case.

all right, we're near the mountains in Pasadena. I get it, but it's not just a light sprinkling. There's like actual snow that they have to shovel. It's like two inches of snow. Yeah. And it's like, oh, and he makes it. He sells it. He's like, oh, this hasn't happened in 36 years.

It's like, okay, cool, but this would never happen. Also, that the entire, that the wedding isn't canceled immediately because of the snow. Because whenever it even rains in Los Angeles, people are like, oh, sorry, can't leave my house. got to get, you know, out all the canned goods supplies. I have no idea how to drive or do anything in the rain at all. So, snow melts. Wait, but how about this? Snow melts.

The backyard's a fucking mess. Right. The front yard is like a mud pit. And now they're parking 200 cars in there. That's going to be like a slip and slide trying to get out of there. It's really true. They yada yada to the whole thing. Though I do like the one BD Wong line that's like just all I can say is thank God

snow is white, you know? It just works. which it does match. They at least acknowledge that the snow would impede some of the plans, but at least matches the decorations. But no, it's insane. Snow is gone by the night time. Yeah.

It doesn't freeze in the ice, nothing. It's just perfect again. But it's like melting beautifully, that one shot of the church itself outside is you can definitely see all the fake snow that they've put in like beautiful little patches here and there. It just looks like a Rockwell painting, but it would not look like that in real life. I have a slight nitpick on could you have would they end up with 200 people

150 I mean 200 from a list of 500 is just cramming them in that house 200 people in that house is you're really going to be crammed how many bathrooms you got four bathrooms at that point

right you still have to have waiters and stuff walking around like that house needs to be pretty big to comment those people. I was thinking about that when I was watching. I was like, what kind of house is this? The tent is pretty sizable. They do a nice job with the tent. I'd just like to say it is a pretty tasteful wedding. That's something I should have put in like what's age the best. It's like you can

see it being like really tacky like late 80s wedding, but no, it looks nice. But I don't know whether the tent is really accommodating 200 people. Could this be remade as a 10 episode Netflix show? please no. Okay, but wouldn't you watch it? I would, but I just know it'll be bad. No, I mean, it'll be bad. Oh, you would watch it. Wow, look at you.

Of course I would watch it. But Bill, like, I'm watching like every Thursday morning. I'm like, oh my God, there's a new sex in the city remake episode to watch. You know, even though it's like one of, it's not really working. And it is in many ways betraying the sanctity of the original. But I would watch it. The thing is, is that they would have to, like, remake it circa 1990 with Steve Martin. I'm just imagining this is also sort of why even though Father Bride Part 2 is not good.

I'm like, sure, I didn't mind it because I like spending time with these people. So they would need to remake it with these, like in this world. So you would have to be there. They'd be the grandparents. Yeah. Kimberly Williams and George Newbern would be the parents. And then we'd have new people in their 20s, the movies built around them. And Steve Martin and Diane Keatner, the wise old grandparents.

Yes. I actually, if that was a 10 episode down, all right, I'm talked into it. Fine. You broke me. The Roman screw up, you know? Oh, my God. Wow, you've really talked me to this now. Yeah.

Yeah. Like I'm saying, you can't do it on Zoom. It can't be Father of the Red part three. We got to have the budget. We got to have all the characters. We got to sink through this. But I'd watch it. I can't believe it took you less than 90.

seconds to break me on that. Unbelievable. You love this movie. So you'd want to spend more time with that. So B-Fru-Prob, probably in answerable questions. How much did the wedding cost? They said it was like 250K. Befrugal.com broke it down. The venue is free. Annie's dress cost $68,000. They say that. $68,000? That's what they said. Hold on. That's crazy. In 1991? They have it as $570,000. two guests at $250 per head, $143,000 on food. We know that it wasn't $5.72. So maybe this is lower. Bridesmaid dresses, another 10.

Copenhagen flights, 10. Wedding planner, probably 20. I think we're somewhere over the 200 mark if you add everything up, right? I think Brie Frugal did a bad job. Probably. I mean, I did multiply 150 times 250. Yesterday I got out my calculator. What is that? 40 grand?

No, I think it's. was $25,000. But that's just, you know, for food and guests. The church is not free, but the house is free. But the tent is not free. They're rewiring, you know, electricity. They got to bring in all of the rentals. Tables.

Tables. So maybe 150? Yeah. I mean, but 150 in 1991 is an insane amount of money for a wedding. Like the, the price. have changed, right? I think it's probably got to be like a $50,000, $60,000 wedding in. Because when BD Wong calls with the estimate, the 250 ahead includes everything from the catering to the, the tent, to the, you know, what have you. So I, the $250,000 seems like that seems to that's, yeah,

that's too high. So we'll say somewhere between like 60,000 and 90,000. Okay. That sounds good. Which is, which is a tremendous amount of money for a wedding at any point, but certainly in 1991 and certainly for wedding at home. We're not even paying for the venue. Okay. My next answerable question, because I knew you would answer yes for should this be remade into a show. Yeah, sure. Okay. Would you call it Father of the Bride 3 or grandfather of the bride?

Grandfather of the bride. Okay. Yeah. Next question, unanswerable. Is this the best Steve Martin movie ever? I think I'm probably more qualified

than you to watch because I've been there the whole time. You are. But you've also seen almost all the movies. Yes. But it's my sentimental favorite, for sure, and it's such a sentimental favorite

that it's hard for me to detach from it. I mean, what would even be in the running for you? This is it. I think this is the answer. I think, the jerk would have been there for a while, but I just don't think it's got in the legs. The other one,

Roxanne was a massive movie. Okay. And was a movie that people were not, were worried that he was going to pull it off and they did. And it's really good. But I think it's this. Some people might say parenthood, actually, because it's the first type of movie that tried to do the stuff they did. It got spun off into the TV show. I think it has some footing. There's some bowfinger people out there. just for the records we i mean a interesting movie weird movie though i rewatched it last year i also i really like dirty rodent scound rolls but that's not a solo steve martin as much so i think it's this okay all right here's my big unanswerable question okay just hope you're sitting down well you are i can see you yeah are we sure annie was a good daughter oh i'm gonna make the case okay okay

She's even met somebody for three months. It's just traipsing around Italy. Nobody hears from her. Meets this guy, immediately decides to get married to him, comes back, drops this like atomic bomb on her family and then gets mad how they react.

Okay. Completely flips out over this stupid blender thing and forces her dad who doesn't even want her to get her married to kind of solve that. And then at the actual wedding, completely, completely,

ignores her dad the whole time. Doesn't have the father-daughter to answer with her. Doesn't make 10 minutes of time with her leaves without saying goodbye. And then at the end, it's like, oh, the phone rings. Oh, it's Annie. Oh, dad, I just wanted to say goodbye.

If my daughter fucking gets married and just leaves and I don't get the hug in before the end of the wedding. And then I get like this like, oh, I forgot to call my dad phone call. That's it. I'd be so mad. I would cancel the catering stuff, but you pay for this then. You didn't even say goodbye to me at my own wedding.

Maybe I'm spiteful. You make a good case. I think the phone call is a great movie moment. I tear up every single time. And it makes no sense logistically, as you pointed out, that's not when flights leave for Hawaii. It's not how weddings end. It is totally ungrateful for her to not find him at any point. Also, it's just not how weddings work, like he would be around.

So I hear you. my defenses are number one again great movie moment and number two she's 22 years old she's really young and i think all of the problems in this movie which make for a great movie but they can be traced to just she's 22 and she doesn't strategically have it figured out yet the thing that you got to do if i could give advice to your daughter or to any other daughters out in the world you can't have the first guy you bring home be the one. You know what I'm saying? You got to let the dads get a little afraid and get this energy out. So by the time you bring the actual person you want to marry home, they're like, they're relieved. You know what I'm saying? And they're just like,

it's, that's, let me tell us. And I know this from experience. So everything that she's doing, she's just a little young and she didn't totally plan it out. Is she a bad person? Or, Is she just inexperienced? I leave it to you. Bad daughter. Okay. Go find your father before you leave. I don't care if you miss the fight.

Find your father, find your mother, have one last mom with them, and then go on your honeymoon. I agree. What the hell? I mean, I agree. And also, like you said it's a nice moment. And it is. It's a little choke up moment that she calls. But you know what else would have been nice?

If she had the gets back out of the car and runs because she realizes she didn't say goodbye to her dad and runs across, throw all the cars and gives, you know, in the hug. I also would have enjoyed that and it would make me think she actually cared about her dad. Right. That's true. It's sort of like a reverse the graduate. Or my best friend's wedding when he pops up at the end, Julie Roberts thinks he left and then all of a sudden there's Delamette more Rudy with one last hug. And I know

this is hard for a dad to hear. And I get it. And I related to Steve Martin in this movie more than ever when I watched it recently. But it's also about her moving on and them coming to a new place and a new understanding. You know?

She could have hugged him. She could have hugged him. And I hope that everyone listening or everyone related to you takes that lesson to heart. Hug your parents. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Is the house available? The house is off the table. Oh, come on.

What about just because there are several houses, I just want the front of the house. You know, just that one. How about the bedazzled wedding bride sneakers? Those are really nice. I was going to ask, what do you think happens to sidekick? Like, is it bought by another company or is George Banks on the street? Oh, interesting. So is George Banks like, is he like, is he like Jeff Bezos right now?

Well, I mean, I don't think so because, you know, when Brian shows up, there's that great line of like, he's wearing Nike's. So George Bakes is like an independent athletic shoemaker in the early 90s trying to go up against Nike. I'm guessing it doesn't work out totally well. But do they get acquired? Yeah, maybe they get acquired. Maybe he's like, yeah, it's probably more likely he like merges with footlocker and it doesn't really work out that well.

Okay. If I can't have the house, which I think I should be able to have the house or at least the kitchen, but fine. I would take the cappuccino maker. I love the cappuccino maker scene. It's really sweet. Yeah. That's good one. I would take the sneakers.

My wife and daughter went nuts for the sneakers. I think they filed that away if my daughter ever gets made. Do you know actually that I wore white sneakers? I got married and I think it's because of this movie. You're standing for six hours. I didn't put it together until this moment, but I'm like, oh, yeah, that must have been where I got the idea. Who won the movie, Steve Martin?

Yeah, I think so. I think it has to be Steve Martin. You can make a case for Nancy Myers because this is when it all comes together, but it comes together more for her later on. I knew this as a Steve Martin movie for a while and then eventually it became, oh, Nancy Myers wrote that movie. But I never felt like the wind was in there. Yeah.

All right. That's it for the rewatchables. Kyle Creighton produced this one. He's not married yet. I look forward to that movie. Kyle, if you'd like to make a comedy about it, I would enjoy it.

Cousin-in-law of the bride? Yeah. Could be about me. Really, really fantastic. There's a lot of potential here. Yeah. All right. Amanda,

was great to see you as always. Thank you. Father of the bride 30th anniversary. You can find it on all the other streaming places and we'll see next time and we'll watch us.