The Rewatchables - ‘Flight’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

The banana boat’s a-coming for Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan as they prepare for liftoff with Robert Zemeckis’s 2012 drama, ‘Flight,’ starring Denzel Washington, Kelly Reilly, Don Cheadle, and John Goodman. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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CR, it ain't 2024 plans. Same old, same old, the watch. Yeah, man. Just flying the friendly skies. Some big picture, a little Philly special. Yeah. You still following football? What's that?

You still following football? I don't know. What are you talking about? Soccer? My name is Bill Simmons. Do not touch the merch, motherfucker. Flight is next. I want to talk about the days leading up to the accident.

I'm sorry. What did you say? I said, God help me. I'm amazed at what Bob Zemeckis was able to do. You have to say there was an ordinary day. I mean, it was an ordinary day. I've got control. You're a hero, man.

You saved my mom. Ten pilots recreated the events and simulators. Every pilot crashed the aircraft. You were the only one who could do it. Flight, Richard Dard, now playing. All right, guys, this is our first taping of 2024. We've been circling this one for a while. It's on a lot.

circle in the airport. Literally. It's on max. It pops on the different ones. It's always on cable somewhere. And it is a definition of a rewatchable. It's an improbable rewatchable. This is a movie that did not get nominated for Best Picture.

It's intense. I think people really love the first 25 minutes of it. But for the most part, we're like, hmm, not sure how I felt about that one. Definitely good. Then's always great. But then it has this tail van over the next. 11 plus years and it becomes a rewatchable. How does a movie that's this unsparing about addiction

that has not exactly like the most uplifting ending in the world, how does this become a rewatchable for us? Because it's the perfect Saturday afternoon movie. It draws you in. It's got great scenes. Like great scenes in the movie. It starts off with one of the great scenes in movie history. I have lots of spots in the pod for it later.

Happy New Year. It starts off with one of the great scenes ever. And then you, from then on, we're just cooking, right? Yeah. But then the really, the only thing about the movie that keeps it together is the fact that it's, because it gets a little uneven and it gets a little weird, it's two movies. But there's all these great scenes that are like connecting it together. him going off out of his mind and people coming back and going at him,

you're always going, ooh, oh, ah, so you can never quite turn it off. Yeah. And that's what makes it rewatchable, right, all the way to the end of it. Is this a movie that plays a lot better once you know how the story goes? 100%. So when you first see it, 35 minutes in, you're like, this is the best movie I've ever seen in my life? Like, what is happening?

And then Kelly Riley and the hospital and everything that happens and Hugh and the whole hearing and everything. And it's really disorienting. It's very disorienting to watch a movie where the climax happens 21 minutes into the movie. It's actually... Or for Van, four minutes in the movie. No, for Van, four minutes.

So, I think that the more I've watched this movie, the more I've enjoyed it because you're used to the ride. You actually know where it's going after the plane crash. And you can kind of start to pick up on all these little details that make it a much deeper experience. So interesting.

So the fact it might have been disappointing the first time you watched it. And then the fact that you kind of were used to... No, it's not even disappointing. It's like you... I remember the first time I saw this. It was in the Cinerama Dome. And I could not get over the plane crash. I was like, you expect me to watch a movie after seeing that?

Like, besides all the stuff that probably most viewers are thinking about their own nervousness about flying if they have it. Yeah. But you're just like, my adrenaline is pumping so hard. and now I'm supposed to watch this like eight, like eight minute scene with James Badge Dale smoking in a stairwell. Like there is nothing but a come down after that plane crash. But if you watch it enough times, you're like, oh, now I understand the rhythms of the movie.

Yeah, what did you say? It was the first 25 last 25 or Craig said that? Yeah, Craig said that. But what I think one of the reasons, I think this is one of my favorite movies the last 15 years, and I would not have even guessed that five years ago. But it reminds me of like we, Chris and I, and I guess you did too,

growing up in the album's generation, where you just listened to an album over and over again. And it would be the first three songs that jumped out initially, the ones that were the obvious hits. And then you'd be like, no, I also like this song, too. And then you'd argue with your buddies about it. And then after you spent, like, a year or so with the album, you'd be like, oh.

There's no skips on this. Yeah. That fourth song that I never really liked, I kind of dig that song now. That's how I feel about five of the flight scenes in the middle. Like, I really like the hospital. I like the cancer guy. Yeah.

I think that seems really the wisdom that he's spouting and just in general, I actually feel like that's the heart of the movie, but you would never guess that you'd have to watch it 11 times. So I think I liked it more. It always used to bother me before because he pops in and he pops out, you never see him again. It was almost like a, like he was like an apparition? I was wondering, like, did he, was he really there?

Did they conjure him? That they make him up is Denzel. Oh, interesting. So I think I got it more. The like this time that I watched it. But there are a lot of things where the movie just kind of lost itself. When I was first watching In a good way or a bad way?

Well, now it's just flight. It's not good or bad, it's just flight. Right? Watching it this time, I realize that John Goodman is not in the movie as much as I thought to you. He's in three scenes. Right.

So, and then, on top of this, the love story between her and Denzel, it just does not work. It is just a large portion of it. It's a completely different movie. Is it good that it didn't work, though, because I actually think that's part the point of this movie.

Because in a normal movie, it works, and they end up together, and she goes to visit them in prison in the end. And it's like part of it. The whole point with this is that he can't have anybody. Like, his life shot is done. I think it works. I think another reason why people probably bristled at this movie is that it is a true anti-hero. Like, you never really wind up being like whips cool.

Like, I like whip. Like, and it's different than Alonzo in Training Day because you don't have a Jake character. Like, kind of the Kelly Riley character is a little bit of the audience avatar, but she's got so much of her own shit going on. And like you said, pretty much vanishes about two-thirds into the movie when she leaves him after he goes off the wagon so hard. Yeah.

But you're- He had to go to yellow stuff. Basically trapped inside of Wip's skin the entire movie. And it's a super uncomfortable place to be, you know? But the payoff of that is when the door starts jiggling in the hotel room. And you're like, oh, no. Yeah. Oh, no.

Oh, don't know. Don't know. Come on. I think that I feel that Whip deeply got the fucking shaft. Oh, my God. Oh, should save this for Stephen N. Smith out of his take. It's on there. I'm going to get to, when I watch it, when I watch it now, because I see a movie all the time.

Whip didn't do anything. Coming up next. It didn't. Did Wips a hookahle prop give him courage? Should all pilots drink screwdrivers? Be honest with you, like, I remember I was talking to somebody. There was a point where there was an interview about this, and they were talking about the fact that maybe the fact that he was on drugs made him more intuitive and helped him fucking fix the plane. Well, definitely gave him less fear and you needed less fear to land the plane.

Yeah. So, like, at the end of the day, whips apologizing and stuff. And I'm like, yo, what the fuck are you apologizing for? You saved everybody on the plane. Yeah, but that's what makes it so interesting is the difference between like more. morality and legality, right? Like, legally, he's somewhat indemnified. Like, they've gotten his toxicology report removed from the case and everything.

But morally, it probably wasn't right that he did what he did, right? Probably wasn't right. I'm a results-driven motherfucker. It's like what Dan Campbell goes for it on two-point conversion from the seven. If it goes in, Vance is like, great call. Great call. Exactly. I love it.

is when he, my favorite, one of my favorite teams, like I said, just intensely rewatchable scenes in this movie. One of my favorite scenes is when he's talking to the fell fire ticket, Margaret or whatever, and he goes, and he goes, let you know, that could have been your fucking son. Right. If not for me. And I'm like, just go say whatever he wants you to say.

You owe him your life and your son's life. And then at the end, he's taking all of this goddamn, oh, I was a terrible person. and stuff, maybe, but I ain't never saved 96 motherfuckers. You have. Right. So, you know, I don't know. Well, two things are going on when they make this movie.

It comes out in 2012. It's the height of the anti-hero renaissance, right? Sopranos has ended, but we still have Breaking Bad and Don Draper, depending on how you feel about him, and just in general. Disorder. We're in this whole world where the anti-hero is back. And so he kind of feels like he both fit in, but it was a little redundant compared to what else is going on.

The other thing is movies are really starting to change in a bad way. And Brad Gray, who was one of the people who got this movie done, it was a kind of movie that it had Denzel. It had Roberts Emacchus's director. It had a big plane crash. It was an expensive movie, and the guys had to shave their salaries to make it. But Brad Gray said at the time, you want to have the big franchises and blockbusters that can really rule the day,

and you want to make pictures that you care about. There should always be room for movies like this. And that's, I think, one of the reasons I love this, movies, it's from the last 12 years, but it's a movie that they really made in the 80s and 90s, the movies that we talk about on this pod. I don't know if they make movies like this anymore. Wips the 70s guy. Like WIPP even feels like somebody that like Nicholson or Hoffman would play in the 1970s. Isn't this like an Apple show now and it's not that good? And it's like it's an alcoholic pilot and we have one star. We put it in the big box. See, that's the thing is that I don't know.

It's not as good. They would have to be about something else than his addiction because this is such a searing look at alcoholism that I don't think people would be like, let me sign up for six hours of that. It's a movie that's like about the movie. It's about the actual story. It's not about, it's not the type of movie that's a star making vehicle that, that for somebody or it goes and gets you an Academy Award or it's not going to sweep the Oscars. It's a movie that's about itself.

And that's, to me, a lot of times the type of movie that they don't make anymore. Like every single film that somebody does now is either like a big, huge. prestige play, that odd Netflix type of situation where they just want you to watch it over and over and over again. Or it's a superhero joint, which I'm not dissing a superhero joint, so obviously I love them. But just making a movie that's like about the story that's a tweener. All these great performances, all of these great happenings, but it's not going to be

remembered as one of the five greatest films of the year. It's just a good solid movie. But meanwhile, it was. Oh, was it? So, no, I mean, if you go back and you look at that year, I think it's one of the best five films. It's very similar to Castaway, which the mechis also did. Castaway had the same thing. I saw in the theater.

I liked it. I had some issues with it. But then it started to come on cable and became one of my favorite movies of the century. And it has a lot of that even the ending feels a tiny bit similar where kind of leaves on this ambiguous. He learned his lesson, but, you know, it's floating into the abstract. But even that feels a little stapled on, you know, like that. very, very ending of the speech in the prison and then the son coming to visit him

feels like almost like it's like a little bit like man, we have to put like a little bit of cushioning on this movie. Like the audience hated whip. Yeah. Yeah. Like a tested bat. Denzel. You guys have heard of him. We did the Denzel draft. How many Denzel's are we up to

on? We're in double figures now, I think. We did the Denzel draft and CR like, he was like Harbaugh. He was stealing my signals. Yeah, I had Connor in the back. Watching your tape. You did, you took flight, I think, was your first pick. It might have been, yeah. I was like, who's the Connor of the ringer?

We need to hire one. But where does this rank for you in the Denzel? Is this Denzel Mount Rushmore for you? Because for me, it is. I certainly his, I think. I should say rewatchable Mount Rushmore. I say arguably his last great performance. And since flight, has he done anything better than?

No. I don't think so. I never saw that. Somebody, like Sean, going to dive through the wall and make a fences argument, but I'm not going to... I mean, are we talking about just performances? Performance.

I mean, he's pretty unassailable in Fences. Like, it was... I think he's unbelievable in this. Yes. And there's more to do in this movie. This is about... On the top of my head, I would say, Alonzo from Traineday, Malcolm X, this,

and take your fourth. Like, pick your fourth. I think he got game has to be in there for me. He got game. To me, Mobetta Blues. obviously that's like one of my favorite movies of all time, probably my favorite movie of all time. But this is Denzel.

It's oddly one of the most challenging roles for him. Yeah. To see him as this much of a curmudgeon. You know what I mean? Like this much of a, I don't give a fuck. Like where the scene with Kelly Riley where he says,

you know, he's on a suck dick for drugs, it's like, Jesus Christ. Have I ever quite seen him like that before? I mean, Alonzo was just very one-dimensional. But this was a guy whose addiction was bringing out the worst of him. Yeah. And you hadn't really seen him be that...

And Alonzo had like swag. Yeah. And Whip doesn't. You know? Wip's like... Wips carrying water weight because he drinks so much. You know what I mean? Like, whip is beat up. Like, and it's a really...

It's a really brave performance when you think about it. You know what I mean? Like, it's pretty... Just the amount of like, inebriated acting he has to do and just... But making it not seem like, oh, this guy is in touch with some sort of poetic strain of his brain while this is happening.

It's like, no, he's just fucking, he's a fucking mess, you know? You got a little fatter for it, too? Mm-hmm. Wasn't afraid to take the shirt off with looking flabby Denzel. I don't know if you've seen that before. His ass was on screen. He showed his ass off. I was, when I watched it this time, I thought about leaving Las Vegas because I thought

about, like, a movie just where somebody says, hey, I'm going to fucking go somewhere and just drink myself to death. And I don't care what anybody says. It doesn't matter how much you love me. You can't love me out of my fate. You can't drag me out of my fate no matter how hard it is or me or hard it is for you to watch. I was just going to drink until I fucking die. And this guy was a dude who seemed to be stopping just short of that.

But he almost wanted to do that, right? He wanted to be for somebody, just leave him alone and let him kill himself. Yeah, anytime there's a movie scene where somebody takes the giant swig of the vodka bottle or the tequila bottle, you know, it's like, just kill me. Almost if he hadn't saved all of those lives, he would have been content to just fucking have OD one day or something. like that, but like people are trying to... The whole trial and the whole movie is about him kind of trying to come to terms with his humanity and the fact

that he actually matters in the world. You were saying that the movies were sort of changed a lot around the time when this was released. So what is this? This is 12? Ended 2012. Yeah. When you think about all the other... Not only his contemporaries, but also

all the movie stars that have come since Denzel, it's pretty hard to think of a single one that would have done this role, with the exception of maybe DeCaprio. Yeah, I was going to say Leo, other than that. You'd have to have the way to the startup, too. Because being a movie star has become almost more about what happens off-screen than it is on-screen. You know, it's like, they're a really good actors, but for the most part, being a movie star is like, look at Ryan Reynolds. Like, he has like 100 companies, you know what I mean? Like, it's become like just another part of a portfolio that you

have to be a famous person and to be a business person. And for Denzel, it's always really been about the acting more or less. And he makes the movies he wants to make. Even if he makes Blockbuster's like Magnificent Seven or Equalizer, those are the movies he wants to make. But you don't find, like, Brad Pitt might try this one. He plays bad guys, but they aren't like bad guys. You know, Hanks wouldn't do this.

Hanks wouldn't go to this. And nobody younger, I can't see anyone younger doing it. Cruz's version of this would have been hilarious. It becomes a drama comedy, I think, at that point. It's a little like cocktail. Well, Cruz made a movie. about a very famous pilot from Baton Rouge. Yeah.

I named Barry Seale. Yeah. Did you see that one? American Mate? And if you know the actual Barry Seale story, there's not a lot that's fucking funny about it. Yeah. Like I'm saying the fucking judge basically set the guy up to get murdered back home.

But the movie kind of had a comedic touch to it. It was really about the Iran Contra and all of that stuff. Yeah. So it's different. This one, they go dark. they go super dark in this movie. I think my favorite Denzel, and, you know, I've said,

I think he's become my favorite actor over the last six years. He was always in the running, but I think just from a rewatchable standpoint, I find myself gravitated in his movies the most. I always like when there's some sort of damage with him is my favorite version of him.

And he's played that in a bunch of different ways. Like, even a man on fire, which we already did. Damage guy, like just trying to, you're kind of rooting for him. Yeah, I know. I know deep down that he's a good guy. Equalizer is looking out for the little guy. Equalizer's another one where it's like there's some sort of damage that he's hiding,

but he's the forefront of it seems fine, but it's not. It's something interesting about Denzel. So when you have a conversation about him now, because there's a generation of people, and I say this all the time that remember Denzel basically post-training day or like whatever. 21st century, Denzel. 21st century Denzel. Remember the Titans on.

Right. They don't remember that. one time he was the sexiest motherfucker walking around, right? He was the best-looking guy in the thing. He was a legitimate movie star icon like good looks.

He... Well, that's basically Mo Better Blues. That's part of... Mo Better Blues. That's part of the meal ticket of that. He's just fucking amazingly handsome guy. He went away from the movie star type, right? You know how these guys try to preserve themselves

for decades and days? He let himself become older. Yeah. He let the... the roles change. Unlike Cruz. Unlike Cruz, unlike Pitt, unlike some of these other guys, which that's a big part of who they are.

It's not a diss to them. I'm just saying he let himself become an older guy, take different roles, lose the sexy but pull more other dimensions into his performances. Like Belichick right now. That would explain this Patriot season is

if Belichick is doing cocoa puffs before the game. I wonder, Denzel would never answer questions like this, but I wonder where this ranks for him on his favorite movies that he's done. Like, I would assume Malcolm X and Training Day would be, you know, first sentence. Yeah. But then after that, I would, I'd love to know, like, what the next two is. Because he, I had him on the pod once and he's like a classic.

I don't like to look back. I make my movies. I just go on to the next one. I don't think about it. But I would imagine he put about as much of himself and just, what, you know, I always wonder with him, like he's, they always say he's a little bit of a method actor when he plays a role like this, does how far does he go to try to tap into the guy?

It just feels like he put a lot into this one, because we've seen other ones like he did, what was the one with Walberg, two guns? Yeah, I mean, he can crank out. Mail and Denzo, I still like. I'm still in on Malin Denzo, but you know, and he's like, all right, I'll be there at nine. That's why I'm really interested to see what he's like in Gladiator 2

coming out, I think probably end of 24, or maybe 25. I don't know. They're still shooting it. But because it's like a supporting role, but it is a supporting role in like what could be an awards blockbuster. Yeah.

And he hasn't really, I'm trying to think of the last time he's kind of just popped up in a movie like that in a supporting role. Usually, unless he's directing it. Not one that big. Not one that's got that much where he just, no.

He never's. Yeah. He's never like just coming off the bench Andre Agu Dua, 2017 style. And I don't know what. Like, Roli's playing. But like, it's, He's Hannibal in it.

Hannibal? Well, there's one other big piece we have to talk about this movie. It's probably the best plane crash. So that was the other thing. I was going to ask you guys. I wrote down my list. So if we want to do this, we can do it now.

Well, it was more than just plane crashes. I was talking about set pieces and spectacles and movies. Because I think that, to the earlier point about movies changing over the last 15 years, is they put a lot of money into the CGI and the animated effects and the visual effects that they do in a lot of blockbusters now. You guys talk about them all the time. Night Boys.

There is something about this that's almost the last of its kind. Where, I mean, obviously, it's all effects-based anyway. It doesn't seem like it. It seems like a... How did they do that? Yeah, it doesn't seem like it.

I'm looking for the cartoon part of it when I'm watching it this time. Even down to the rear projection of, like, what's going on outside of the window. And when he's... And when he's... When he's like...

When he inverts it and you can see... Like, it's like no perfect. So they didn't... invert an actual plane to get the shot where the guys coming out of the hotel. I do not think so. Of course, okay, obviously, people are going to be like, that's a stupid question, Van. But that fucking looks ridiculously real. It looks practical to me.

I don't know they didn't really invert. Actually, I didn't know. But like, when I watched it, there was not any, it was like Nolan's stuff. Yes. Yeah, that's exactly it. It's like, there's like, when you see the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, it's when you see the truck chase and dark night like there are a couple of things

where you're just like oh I'll remember this for the rest of my life bullet time in Matrix or whatever like this plane crash I've watched on YouTube just to be like I just want to see like what how like the order of operations or the cuts or like the different things

that he does because it sticks with you for the rest of your life after you see it once it's so cool when they shut the engine and he's gliding and they're heading toward the church and that like 12 seconds the filmmaking is just so fucking good in that. Yeah.

I have my top four. Flight, castaway, alive, and fearless. Yes, that's it. And then Sully and the Grey and the Edge are my honorable mentions. A lot of those are one of the cool things about this with the exception. I mean, Sully obviously is different. A lot of those are from passenger perspectives. That's the thing.

So you're sitting in the back and the audience is being asked to be like, oh shit. Like, this is all of my fears about a plane going. down. Like, this is what it's like you're sitting in coach, your elbow to elbow with somebody, and all of a sudden you're gripping the armrest. But this is the pilots. And it's written entirely in the jargon of aviation. Like, there's not a lot of like explanations as to what they're doing or why they're dumping fuel or why this is happening. And yet it's just as gripping as if you're watching it and alive and you're seeing all the passengers. So, you know, I had aviophobia for a long time. I went about 11 or 12 years while I didn't fly. Like to just stupe.

hunting news. Can't believe it. Never would have guessed you might have had problems. I took a train back to Baton Rouge. You're John Madden and Tony Cornazer. Yep. 48 hours. 48 hours.

But you would think that this movie would make you more fearful about flying. Oddly, it was one of the things that helped me. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. Because of, number one, the number of redundancies that they have on the plane that you don't know, just how badly something has to go. Not going to work for everyone, but how badly something has to go.

I mean, how badly where it's one screw that wasn't rusted a couple times and now we lose my way? That's such a major oversight that would have to happen. And then every single time he rose to the occasion to, like, solve a problem. Yeah. His expertise in what was going on. He knew exactly how to get back. And, you know, that plus the real-life silly situation, the pilots are up there and they're super, super skilled.

So how do you feel about the flight from a couple weeks ago where the guy on mushrooms got into the cockpit? It was like, you need to bring this plane down. I watched that. I also watched Dark Side of the Ring where Kurt Henning and Michael P.F. Hayes were... Oh, the plane ride from hell? The plane ride from hell were brought. Lesner and Kirk Henning were fighting.

Yeah. And the woman was like, you know, they could actually go through the fuselage of the plane. And I was like, really? I didn't know I had to worry about that. I don't know I have to be considered about falling through the side of the plane. Do you, are you, have you ever been scared of flying? No. The only thing that changed for me over the years was after 9-11, I got scared to being in high

buildings where I used to love shit like that. And then after that, I just, like, freaked me out for some reason. United 93, which not a rewatchable. I'll never watch that bitch. I've never seen it. But that... I don't give a fuck what y'all on. I'll never look at that.

That's a really well-done movie. But they, they, the last part is from the cockpit and it's really harrowing. Why did you look at that bitch? It's on the theater. Yeah, me too. You, y'all went to the movies to see that movies, man. Sorry. I never in life will I watch that motherfucker ever.

I was upset that they made. I was like, why would you make this joint? It's very much like a tribute to those people, though. God bless them. It's a really good movie. We're going to take a break, and I want to talk about the Oscars stuff with us. If you thought HBO's Euphoria was intense in high school, saddle up. Season 3 of Euphoria picks up five years later, and life looks very different.

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not just Denzel, our guy Don Chieel, Beth from Yellowstone. Kelly Riley. Bruce Greenwood I love Bruce Greenwood man I'm a big Bruce Greenwood Have you seen Apelow?

Yes He's awesome How many times has he played Jack or Bobby Kennedy I feel like I He's been in Kennedy a bunch time He was in 13 days Aipelow is a mortal lock for dog month

You like that Dog Month Apelow is in It's so good John Goodman Melissa Leo Tamara Tooney And Nadine

Velasquez, we'll get to later. But from an Oscar standpoint, no Kelly Riley for Best Supporting Actress. Denzel snuck in there for Best Actor. I don't think we knew what to do with Kelly Riley yet. This is pre-Beth. You're right.

It might even be pre-chut adjective season two, which she's also in. Yeah. I think we weren't quite sure how to read the music yet. Daniel Day Lewis wins for Linkin. Lincoln. Other nominees...

As soon as he stepped on the set for the movie. Bradley Cooper's Silver Linings Playbook, Hugh Jackman, Le Miserab. Phoenix for the Master. Denzel for Flight. That's a great... Shockingly good lineup. Category.

If we're re-litigating that, though, are we going Daniel Day over Denzel? This is about as good as Denzel can do as an actor. It's kind of a coin toss for me. Daniel Day Lewis is pretty incredible, Lincoln. I couldn't finish it. It, uh, I guess I should. That movie's ponderous.

Yeah. Do you want me to tell you how it ends? Wow. It's good for me. It's bad for Lincoln. Actually, that was bad for me too, because we could have got our 40 acres if they would have let the guy live. But, you know, y'all people won't going to let that happen.

It's like, I'm Irish. I don't know what you're looking at me for. I still think that Joaquin Phoenix in the master was. There's a case. The Zach. brutally, brutally good. It's a good like when those NBA MVP years were three guys you could make a really good case for.

Yeah. It feels like that one. That was a hard one to watch too. Best supporting actress was Ann Hathway wins for Les. Are you really making the Kelly Riley case here? I'm just telling you who was nominated that year. Helen Hunt for the Sessions. Sally Field for Lincoln.

Amy Adams for the master. Come on. And Jackie Weaver for Silver Lining. I want everybody to hear this that you think... Kelly Riley in flight should get nominated over Amy Adams and the master.

I don't know if she should have, but I like Kelly Radley in flight. Okay. More than... I mean, Amy Adams was acting circles around her in the master. It's just like a much more weighty part. Like, I even think flight might be better if Amy Adams is playing the... Come on, Chris Ryan.

Why are you shitting on Kelly Riley? What's going on here? I like Kelly Riley. I'm just like, let's just She, like, Beth is one of my favorite all-time television characters. Like, I really love Beth, but like, in this one, she's kind of just, you know, she's there. I mean, she's good, but she's. How many Amy Adams master conversations have you had in the last 10 years? Just me, me and a guy at a bar. And then Tarantino won Best Original for Django Unchained.

And Flight was nominated in that category. And Zemeckis did not get nominated. And Zemeckis did not get nominated for Best Director. we had the guy from Amore, guy from Beasts of the Southern Wild, Spielberg for Lincoln, O. Russell for Silver Linings Playbook, and then Angley went for Life of Pie.

Life of Pie. So Zemeckis is probably the most enjoyable, underappreciated from an award standpoint director we've had in the last 35 years. He's done awesome stuff, and the Oscars just don't care.

Well, I would adjust your parameters there because he has spent much of the last two decades and all the time between castaway and flight working on stop motion. Like animated stuff. So it's really, it's a strange one. It's almost like what would have happened if Avatar flopped.

And it was like, oh, so James Cameron's gonna just go off and make these like different kinds of like, these technological kind of like movies and not just give us a live action genre movie. that we're dying for. And it's kind of what happened with Zemeckis, because he's, he's one of the biggest directors

coming out of the 80s, right? I mean, we were, I was at my friend Simon's yesterday, and we were talking about it, and he is a high, high caliber goat. Like, he is. He's not mentioned,

not at all, in any of the convos. Right. Take your pick of goddamn movies. I'll give you some. Back to the future. Starts with used cars, and 80,

all three back to the futures Roger Rabbit Death Becumseur Forrest Gump She said the only one he got nominated for What Lies Beneath? Castaway You skipped contact? Contact for a reason

You don't fuck with contact? No You'd rather watch United 93 than contact I didn't say repeatedly And then he made a bunch of other Honey you have two choices United 93 are contact today and it can't be contact

United 93 it is Just electric sexual attention with McConaughey and Jody. They're not supposed sexual tension. Whatever. That movie sucked. Come on.

Oh, come on. Contact. That's how see it once movie. Contact is really like contact. Contact is fucking great. Guys are nuts. You're just like weird UFO shit. Of course you like.

You like the unknown. I did not like that movie. You like the unknown. Do I need to see it again? Because I'd like vehemently did not like it the first time I saw. I think it's not dissimilar to this in the sense that it's a pretty brave movie. You know, it's a pretty, he's really good. Brave.

Yeah, because he's really good at the bait and switch. He brings you in this movie, it's a plane crash. In contact is about, like, the search for extraterrestrial life. But then the questions it asks after the switch are much more interesting. It's like, how can you be forgiven in flight or like, what is it that you're looking for? What are we looking for in life in contact? Why are we reaching out to the stars? I was spoken a lot of pot in 97.

Maybe it just didn't hit me? It should have hit you even more. Didn't like it. It was probably a Boston dirtweed. You needed the banana boat. You think you better than the cocoa puff? Okay, let's do this. Let's get Bill a cocoa puff and then we'll watch Conflat.

Here come, Bigg. Bill would do like 64 Thunder fake trades in two minutes. Here's how we get Quieted on the Thunder. Plate was the last kind of important movies that Mecca's made. And he's made a few cents, but this was the last one that really hit. But he had an unbelievable run. It was like 30 plus years. Nominated for Best Actor, Denzel, Best Original Screenplay, and that was it for the Oscar Noms.

$31 million budget made $161.8 million. Got us a hit. Zemeckis and Denzel did not take a lot of money to make this. Roger Ebert, four stars. In his top five of the year? He said it was one of the most terrifying flight scenes of Everwitness, called the movie Nearly Flawless,

said the performance by Denzel was brave and one of his very best. Not often does a movie character makes such a harrowing personal journey that keeps us in deep sympathy all the way. I think that's a good point. I always felt bad for Denzel, even as he was acting horribly

for his character, which is a tough one to pull off. Well, they start with him. The movie is this really intoxicating, a pun intended, mix of lows highs. Like you see this guy and you're like, this guy's a fucking basket case even though

he's doing well in other ways. You hate these guys. Even though romantically, even though there's a lot to envy. There's ways that he is killing it. And then he gets on the plane and you're like, this is the baddest motherfucker that's ever fucking lived. He's like, and then there's just these other scenes where his humanity is the scene with his son just crazy. And you get to a point to where you're like, okay, well, he's a piece of shit again. And then just when you think you're there with him. He does the

honorable moral thing in remembering the maybe the hottest woman. And so... Did contact have highs and lows like this or now? You know, I get why you don't like contact. Because you're very... You got to get outside of yourself,

Bill. You got to get in with the ethereal, the intergalactic questions. You want mystical bill in 2024? I want mystical bill in 2024. I want to see it. I'll go back to the drawing board. I'm going to buy you some tie-dye. And you can come here. I want to see you.

We'll fuck around with it. Most rewatchable scene. Where do you want to start, Van? Opening scene. Okay? I would like to say hello to Kalika Abrams, who is the woman I am with, and just know that we almost didn't have a situation

because there was an audible gasp when the movie started. The movie starts, and we in the Cinerama Dome. You were like two minutes late today, and I was like, I wonder if Van made it out of his house today. Right. Like, the movie's... starts and I was like, shit.

And then you're on your phone, like, trying to see what else she's been in? Like, what, like, did she do like a CineMax situation earlier in her career? So, can I see more of this? She's from my name is Earl. Fucking amazing. The movie just wallops you. And that opening a scene for her. Yeah, I'm trying. We're all trying to be a little diplomatic here. But it's one of the, it's one of the holy shit nude scenes, I think.

Hey, listen. I'm sure there was a male version. versions of it too, but... Why are you doing this? I'm just trying to tiptoe. Don't tiptoe. I'm just being careful. The fucking woman looks amazing. And by the way, everyone knows it.

Everyone watching this, listening to this, knows that why we acting like she didn't look amazing. What we got to talk about Brad Pitt and Fight Club just to even it out? No, I don't need to do that. Okay, good. Give it up, Bill. In the theater, it couldn't have been more quiet for like two minutes. everyone was just kind of like

it was like Tiger Woods staring down on an 11 foot butt to win the master for two minutes and then she does the bendover and Denzel's on the phone and you can kind of see him

like side eye on her like holy shit and you're just like oh my God I've never seen this in a movie before unbelievable job by her it's like a real like Zemecas used to make movies

in the 80s where they would just be like this lady's got her shirt off this whole scene for no reason. We used to do that in this country. We used to be a country that really cared about certain aspects. Really peaked in the 80s. I think she's wonderful.

She's great. She's great. And then, you know, it ends up becoming a major part of the movie later. But I'm not going to lie. Of all the ones that are burned into my memory, this is one of them. So, Latino Hall of Fame for you. Latino Girl Hall of Fame. Way up there.

She's like Babe Ruth? She's up there. She's a founding member. Like, because, you know, there's been a lot. You know, Salma Hayek.

Yeah. Dust till dawn. Then she comes back and runs it back in dogma. If Van hears somebody say the word poppy, he's in the dead. He loses it.

That's for everyone. Why is y'all got to act like it's only me? Y'all know y'all can't fucking handle that. Y'all know y'all can't handle when they, when the Spanish starts to come out. So Samma Hayek. Samma Hayek. We can do this later.

We can do this later, yeah. Denzel snorting Coke right into filling all right and doing the Yeah, I was going to say The Scorsese head pullback? Well, I'll save this for probably unanswerable questions,

but his breakfast is Miller High Life weed, cigarettes, and cocaine. Old Miller High Life, too. Would you have thrown in like a breakfast bar? Well, I think that I would have gotten an ice cold Miller High Life to be completely honest because like for as much as I enjoy their product,

it decreases in drinkability as it gets warmer. One thing, I don't know if this wins Great Shot Gordo, because there's so many good things in there. But I love how it's just one camera from far away just kind of capturing. Watching the life happening and she kind of walks out of frame

and she comes back in. It's such a great barometer of how chaotic his life is. Unbelievable hot woman, drugs and alcohol everywhere and then he's on the phone with his ex-wife about his son. I mean the first 25 minutes is completely rewatchable but we'll just go to the plane crash part. I guess

you could go when he's searching for the sliver of sun Well, that's when he's taking off. Right, that co-pilot. That part's really fun. But going to the plane crash, one of the, I'm going to say it's, what, seven minutes? It's nine minutes long. Nine minutes?

Just absolutely harrowing. From when Ken is like, okay, I'm going to do this and something breaks in the plane to when they land. The guy's like, we're going to dive. We're to dive. There's nothing but houses. Jesus. And that guy's freaking out. Yeah.

And he is. cooler than a fucking cube of ice. Say I love you, Trevor. Oh my God. Even that. Say it right in the black box. That's the only piece of dialogue I think in that entire thing that isn't about flying. Like all the rest of the dialogue is like dump this, do this, pitch that way.

And then he's like, what's your son's name? And she's like, Trevor. And she's like, say, I love you, Trevor into the black box. When I say I want you to retract the flaps, retract the gear, trim us nose down. Okay, but everything's going to be opposite. So make sure you trim us nose down. Hey, trim down, what are you going to do? Margaret, when I tell you, I want you to push these forward, full power, full throttle.

Can you do that? Okay, when I tell you... Wait, sir, what are we doing? Why would I trim down? We're going to roll it, okay? What, what do you mean rolling? You got to do something to stop this die. Margaret.

What's your son's name? Trevor. Say I love you, Trevor. What? Black Box. Say I love you, Trevor. You be a good boy. Mommy loves you.

Okay, here we go. I got control. But what struck me about that was that he asked her come out there to help him, right? So he asked her to come out there and help him. We got to do the things so I can get manual control or whatever it is. While you're here, though, know that we might not make it out of this. This is the last time your son's going to hear your voice.

The wherewithal to say, hey, tell your son you love him. He's just thinking about everything while he's up there. We lost all power. Poor Camie, the stewardess, can just, she dies trying to help a kid. And then every time the plane flips, she's flying around. Just getting fucked around. Yeah. Just really rough.

Cross. You laughed. It's just, it's so. Like, Bill. Bill. You like that. You, how fucking came you. It's so awful.

Yeah. It's so awful. Like, oh, my God. It's kind of funny, right? But we never even get like. I see. Look at him. He's like.

We never get like any cammy time. She's getting thrown around a plane and Bill is at the house. It's almost like an S&L stretch. It's like they put a man. Manichin, like when they made the airplane movies, and it's like the mannequin stewardess is just flying up and down. The cross of the church getting clipped, symbolism. Brace for Impact, they crash right before the baptism water, symbolism.

And the crash itself just really, I don't know. It's about as good as you're going to do with those. It's impossible to top it in the movie. Like, it's just... That's so we have. It's fantastic. You've seen Fearless, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I like Denzel waking up with the bloodshot eyes and talking to Bruce Greenwood and finding out they lost too. And then he cries and it's like blood red. Yeah. He wakes up and there's silence because he's so fucked up. He's still concussed. Yeah. He's still concussed. And it's just so crazy coming from the last scene that you saw to see that now there's no chaos except he's wearing all the chaos on his body. Yeah.

And he can hardly move. He can hardly talk. Like the whole nine, it's like a really great scene to button up to crash. And he's watching it on TV. I like, I mention how I like the gaunt man, gaunt cancer guy, the cigarette. The meeting and the stairwell. Yeah, there's just some, I think this is probably in the running for best quote, if not the best quote of the movie. As soon as you realize that the random events in your life are God,

you will live a much better life. You spend your life believing that you have all the control over what happens. Bullshit. I think that's the point of the movie. I make a case. That's, I think that there's an element. about like, because that's actually like, I mean, I'll be completely honest. Like, when I fly, I'm like, one of the reasons why I don't get scared of flying is like, I was really not in my

hands. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be. Well, it's also just like, this is just crazy that we can do this, that we can fly from Los Angeles to New York in five hours. And it used to take weeks and months or however long it used to take. If you were going by like, carriage or train. And now we're like, yep, here I am for lunch. And I'm just kind of like, I'm like, the sacrifice for that miracle is a little risk. A little risk. Yeah. James.

James Badge Dale, I.K. Departed guy. That's my guy. Not set up quite enough in the departed for the shocking ending reveal that he was the murder.

Needed one more scene with him where you got coffee with somebody. Cheeto telling Whip about the blood reports. I like when Denzel becomes a rational confidence, Denzel.

No one could have landed that plane like I did. But that's interesting because it's like that's the first time we've really seen him in a normal circumstance outside of the hospital or on plane.

And that's the first time you're like, this guy's a dick. This guy's not taking any, like, this guy's kind of like, what are we going to do to get me out of this? Who's writing me a check? You know, like. Yeah, he feels his self-righteousness is so overwhelming that he can't even contemplate like the trouble he's in. Yeah.

And Don Chito in that moment understands it. And he's trying to say, hey, stop bullshitting me. You can't bullshit me. I know you are high. And I'm on your side. Yes. And I'm on your side. help you, so why don't you stop being an asshole?

And Chito kind of like throws cold water not just over Denzel but over the audience too in the movie. Like this guy's really fucked up. The funeral we talked about It's a lie whip. That actress, what actress?

Tamara Tooney. She's in SVU and in Devil's Advocate. Yeah. Talked about it. Devil's Advocate. Much older, like 15 years older at this point. It took me a second to realize that was the same actress. But she's really good in this movie. Whipsing the other pilot in the hospital, I really enjoy.

Kenney. That's a great scene. I never shared my opinion about your physical state the morning of the flight. I never said a word. The crash was preordained. I prayed on it, Captain. Vicky and I both prayed on it.

There's only one judge, sir. Praise Jesus. And he's got a higher plan for you. This event, although it's tragic and its loss of life it's also a celebration of life nothing happens in the kingdom of the Lord by mistake sir

praise Jesus Captain we can pray with us that's Brian Garrity he's he's a really cool cool actor that's a really good scene I like the wife praise Jesus

praise Jesus they're just they're so moral but they're still a part of him yeah that just knows you're the baddest motherfucker you know what scares the shed to me too is uh wips injuries where they're like

you're doing great and it's like but here's all the things you did you tore the tendons and your left wrist and like this and like when you see Ken and he's like my pelvis and my leg are shattered and those guys are like the guys who got out of the flight doing well like that's just terrifying

Cheeto when he does that I'm trying to save your fucking life thing what life good Don Cheeto in this movie go on home hey Captain Winneker you can't I'm telling you right now.

You walk away, you're going to prison. I'm trying to save your fucking life. What fucking life? Huh? Don't kill yourself on my account, Hugh. Captain Whitaker, this NTSB hearing is a federal agency hearing. Do you understand that? Yes, I understand that.

Okay, well, we can't play around with these people. Now, we walk in there like this, with this, we're done. Everything we've done goes right out the window. I have no more moves, all right? It's all on you right now. You're talking about when the plane is reformed. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I love that.

And he's been doing, and he's been doing, uh, drinking a screwdriver in his car. So imagine, like, he's walking in. And Cheeto knows. And Cheetel can see it the second he sees him. And he's just like, we're doing all this to like save your ass. And it's like the plane behind them is put back together, but not really. Yes. Which is kind of symbolic of everything that's going on.

They, they're all together. He's fine that he's got the toxicology report thrown out, but like WIT is like WIP is still broken. He's still in sections. He's not like whole. Cheeto tries to sell him some hi-fi stereo. Denzel finds the second hotel room. Oh, shit.

This is up there with the best 10 minutes of any movie of the 2010s. Yeah. I'll watch this every time it's on. I could be upside down. and I'd watch this. As soon as you could be inverted. Killing time at 2 in the morning. And it's like,

what's that noise? Oh, that door? Yeah. And you're just like, no, no, no. Don't, no. I've seen this movie. I'm like, no, don't go in there. Don't do it.

It's a classic, I know what you're going to do, and I still don't want you to do it. It's watching me a car crash happen. I was watching with my wife with someone who had never seen this movie. And he opens the hotel bar. And she was like, come on. There's never been that many liquor bottles in a hotel bar.

almost seems like a hallucination because it's like where did they put all of the liquor in the whole hotel in this little fridge? My mom, I watch it with my mom. My mom's like, that ain't nothing but the devil. That's Satan right there. I'm trying to mess with this good man. That whole stretch

and then they, hey, hey, hey, how's he doing? Yeah, I didn't hear a peep last night. So, wait. So you had never watched this movie with Carrie. No, I soloed it when I saw in the theater. Yeah. Did she get scared of flying? That's usually people's like Resistance this movie.

Didn't get scared. Okay. No. Cheeto and Bruce Greenwood show in, show up. That's a great scene. When they come in. Is this the banana boat? Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going, Denzel, fine in the second hotel room. Two Cheetah and Greenwood discovering him. Two, John Goodman. I think it's all one scene. It's my vote. And I think it's the silver metal. It's somehow better than the plane crash,

which is the greatest plane crash scene ever. Yeah. Goodman coming in. I forgot to put in Goodman the first time he shows up I guess that could awesome When he brings the cigarettes in the stroke bags You just sit there Ass eat magazine

You just pull on that thing Oh that's what you do Stroke Just stroke it Got you some stroke bags big dog And then CR Just you take this one Just the banana boat

Harling Mays Yeah I mean I think that The idea is that this dude I think is a barfly friend of his Like his little connect His little light guy he bangs around Atlanta with and gets into trouble. And Goodman comes in and it's a 101 mile per hour fastball at your face, like the entire scene. And it's so awesome that he does it.

And then he's like, and I'm out. I'm out. Yeah. I'm done. I'm Dick Nixon. I'm walking out the door. This is it. He needs a $100 bill.

I got a $20. I don't do. Like, he's sitting there and he's just dominating them. They are arrested. Yeah. In the fact that he's such an expert on drugs and all of this shit. It's just such an amazing idea, too, that we have to level this guy out. So we need to get the banana man.

And it happens instantaneous. I'm back, baby. He's back. He goes over there. He's going to need – and then he starts prescribing shit. He's going to need a little cocaine later. All right. So give him this.

Boom, boom. He's out of it. Take a little tobacco out of the top of the cigarette. The cocoa puff, yeah. The cocoa puff, baby. All right. A little cocoa puff, buddy. Who's a banana man?

You? Who's a banana man? All right. I focus up, big dog. There's a train coming to you. Yeah. Keep it down, big dog. Banana boat's coming.

It's a banana boat. And banana boat is here? All right. Nothing keeps you down, dog. Nothing keeps that big dog down. Goal her up. So how do you become the banana man you think? What's the story behind that?

I think it's one of those things you could take a class from University of Phoenix online. And you can get certified in banana services. They got an ITT tech. That, all the stuff he's saying as he's giving Denzel the drugs. I used to be an H-Back guy, but now I'm more of a banana man. The hours are better. But right, remember, he's complaining about the drugs that the hospital is giving them at first. Right.

This is generic this. This is generic that. We need the pure blue ribbon gold metal shit. Right. The narration as he's giving Denzel the drugs fucking kills me. It's so good. Well, Harling's going to come up later in a different part of the category. The testimony, because I drank the vodka.

That's become like a huge meme too. People, so the addiction community is all in on this movie. I think more so than the pilot community. Pilot community not as in it. But most people, seem to think that this is one of the best movies ever about addiction in the battles you fight and that they all point to the second hotel room as like the quintessential oh my god this is your

worst fear if you're an addict like opening that and seeing that and that that moment you have where you have to like fight your demons yeah which is what CR fights anytime somebody's like hey you want to go outside and have a Marlboro red with think at a bar 1230 at night no camel like CR same thing camel A when we're on the rewatchable stuff at some bar and some of us like, hey, Sierra, want to grab us? Stay outside in the back. Sierra's like, oh man, it would be like

the hotel room. That's what I see in my mini fridge is just cartons of camelways. Different friends. His hand comes in and just grabs them. Melissa Leo in the testimony scene. Captain Whitaker, on the three nights before the accident,

October 11th. October 11th, October 12th, and 13th and 14th, I was in I drank all of those days. I drank in excess. On the morning of the accident. I was drunk. I'm drunk now.

I'm drunk right now. I'm Miss Block. What a great, like, also, Melissa Leo just, like, likes being in Denzel Washington movies. She was in the Equalizer. Yeah. Are they friends or something? Because she showed up, because she shows up kind of, it's almost like in the same

role, like a real pivotal one, two scene thing and then pops back out. Yeah. It's funny, Denzel, there's a lot of. a lot of runbacks with Denzel with people in the universe. Then the speech in jail, I think, is really good. And again, like I said, you know, some of them will never forgive me.

Some of them will. But at least I'm sober. I thank God for that. I'm grateful for that. And this is going to sound real stupid coming from a man who's locked up in prison. But for the first time in my life, I'm free. For a rewatchable scene,

I would go with that whole stretch. Okay, I'm going to go crash. Okay. What do you got to crash? Okay. Got to go crash. No, wrong. I go opening.

I got to be real to myself. Okay. Because it's literally the most rewatchable scene. I don't care what you got. It's literally, you guys have so much shame. We have to de-shame. I don't have shame.

You guys have so much shame. If you have to re-watch one scene in the movie, you can't tell me that wouldn't be the one. Craig, step in here. Did I start flight five minutes into the movie for me and my wife? Maybe. What did I miss? Nothing?

No, no, he's good. No, it's good. Just opening credits. This guy drinks a little bit, by the way. I was watching this movie on my laptop with my entire wife's family, like in the same room as me, but not looking at the screen. But people were kind of walking behind me. As soon as that scene started and I knew what was up, I paused it, went right upstairs. Yeah.

I bet you did. I'm trying to decide what's more challenging, watching the Nadine Velazquez scene with your wife's family or watching the plane crash scene on an airplane. Oh, my God. Can you imagine if you were sitting next to a dude on the plane and he just started to flight? Hey, I'm going to cut that shit off, though. Like, like, hey, brother, like, cut that shit off, player. That's a hilarious, like, sidebar combo is worst movies to watch next to somebody on a plane. That would horrify the place up there.

It would be like this in salt burn. Hey, man, what's up with that bathtub? No. Don't worry about it. This guy's just thirsty. I'm glad you brought that up. My mom announced over the holidays that Salperin was her movie of the year. I can't.

She loved it. I am not joking when I think Salper would make a good rewatchable. It would make a fun one. Yeah. Would your mom do the Salper and rewatchables? I asked her to come on the pod and talk about Salpern and she was like, I don't, I would never do that. I don't need to go on your podcast. It's just that whole thing.

I'm not like your father I don't need to go on your podcast What's age the best First 30 minutes we mentioned How about pounding air from an oxygen mask When you're hung over That's so sick Definitely aged well

Yeah I think that's like I don't know if that was as known In 12 as it is now That was a little piece of science That we don't get Now he'd have the IV Yeah

Right combo Concierge guys What's age the best I have a bunch Smoking Denzel Just one of our great movie smokers Oh yeah Just the kind of like

Mount Smokemore. Yeah. Mount Smoke Moore. De Niro, Denzel. Leota? Bro, he is a forceful smoke. And Chino. Mickey Rourke, yeah.

Michael Corleone. Just banging him out. Mickey Rourke's a good one. Yeah. But Denzel, I love, like... Who's the one in Copeland we loved? Edie Falco. I got Kelly Riley.

She aged the best. Yeah. It's got better. And the Kelly Riley, like, femme fatal thing is obviously... So you shot on her Oscar nomination. I'm glad you've circled back. you have any of what stage the best because I have a few more

No, that's it The staging of the plane crash Like I said before It's just like one of the last great Amazing like seemingly practical Like special effect Step pieces Honestly this movie was also a part of the 2000s

Cocaine Renaissance Cocaine came back Hardcore in the 2000s In the 2010 2010s Yeah like what's another example I have some knowledge from my previous workplace, so I can't really

talk about it. Oh, you just mean like cocaine in general period. As a recreational drug. Yeah, sure. Of course, yeah. I like when they come up with fake airline names that actually sound like fake airlines. Southeast? Is that a South Jet Airlines. I'm like, hey, what are you flying? I'm flying south jet. It's kind of like

not the best airline. Yeah, it seems like a spirit airlines for the South. And that's an important context. Where you could have drunk pilots and drug flight. That's the thing. That's an important context clue for WIPP. because he was a badass pilot in the Navy and then before he was flying with that guy, they were flying for Delta.

So there's something that's hampered his upward mobility to be like on one of the big airlines. And he's doing like 45-minute flights from Orlando. Yeah. When he's been doing it that long. What's age of best calling bodies, souls on airplanes? I kind of like. Appropriately creepy.

Is that what they're supposed to do? I think that's like a ship's thing. Like it goes even back to like boats. It feels like it's supposed to like scary. you into doing your job or you constantly refer to everybody as a soul. Stroke bags, what's age the best? It's funny to hear that.

That's age the worst. Yeah, I think stroke bags have kind of in phase out. Well, stroke bags have also aged the worst, but just the phrase stroke bags. Those might be the last three stroke bags in... That's my stroke bags for you, big dog. And then he goes on and lists all of them. One of them's bad ass eaters

or something. It's like ass masters. Ass masters? Yeah. So, you just put that you made that title up. Sparytelling. You think I'm Whitlock? I don't know. Well, I didn't know.

He didn't know about a search history. He's fine. C.R. Sweet Jane is heroin background music? Pretty solid. Can I touch... Would you go Mazzie Star over Sweet Jane? Do you want me to?

I was going to save this for Kid Cutty. I was also going to save this for what's age the worst. I think this has the most generic soundtrack. Oh, I had that later. Yeah. Yeah. Try Harder, Zemecha. It's like, I know that the forest

going to soundtrack is iconic. Save it. All right. Save it. The trailer for this movie is really good, even though he uses that stone song that half the trailers use. Last one, what stage the best? Kelly Riley, the character goes to, she needs to get some drugs

and she goes to the porn set. I have so much about this. I do too. The movie is called The Beast with Two Backs. It's a remake. It's a remake. He says we're putting the name. narrative back into porn.

Yeah. That's a quote. And then he says, the scene is the more comes in, find you in bed with one of your nurses. This is a whole separate movie that I'm in on. The Beast with Two Backs. Like the making of the Beast with Two Bags feels like a Nathan's field.

It's going to be my hottest state. Okay. The Kid Cuddy of Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. So we have under the bridge. Yes. During the Kelly Rally relapse. That's sympathy for the devil for the Goodman appearance. Give Me Shelter for Denzel.

in the hospital and then sympathy for devil again for Goodman's save and then we also have the heroin and feeling all right feeling all right C.R. Go do it. Well, I didn't think that killing them softly could be topped for when those guys are

doing heroin and the Velvet Underground song Heroin is playing but it was topped by Under the Bridge and Sweet Jane by the Cowboy Junkies. It's just too on the nose it's like there's so much good music out there or just Semecas find one friend who's got like a really cool playlist.

Horace Gump had the same issue. I do like, Forrest Gump, though, I feel like But when it came out, like nobody, I feel like it was like, oh, Bob Seeger, Jackson Brown. But I feel like it was narratively that all made sense with Forrest Gump. I get it. It was just the easiest possible choices

for each year. Jenny's about to, you know, Free Bird is playing, she's about to jump off the thing. I feel like it worked. And I was at the point where that soundtrack turned me on to a lot of music at the age I was at. The Big Gahooner Burger Award for Best

use of food and drink. The self-screwdrivers on the plane. I love that. Is there any food in this movie? A tiny bit, no. Just pouring out a tiny bit of the orange juice and throw in the vodka. I have the airplane bottles of vodka before the crash. Yeah.

The gallon of vodka that he gets. That's great. Yeah. That's one of the all-timers. And the winner is the mini bar. The mini bar. Oh, the minibars. And him house and all the beers when he was, when she comes back and she finds him.

Yeah. Denny Thieves, Benny Honour Award for Scene Silling location. And great shot order word for most cinematic shot. It's got to be the slow motion approaching the church, right? Yeah. Going. Oh, I thought you guys were to say Whips Fuckpad. Oh.

Oh, okay. We can do that too. Wait, can I ask you a question? Slow motion approaching the church is one of them, but also the inverted plane. Over the hotel. Over the hotel. Yeah. Oh, and the guy's seeing it.

Incredible shot. I also like the shot, when he puts the bottle on top of the fridge. Oh, yeah. And it stays there for a while and then he grabs it. Swipes it. Yeah. The Vincent Chase Award Are we sure this character was actually good at his job?

Is it whip? I have the co-pilot. Oh, man! He's been freaked out. We're going down! He never forgets his, like, well, what to do, though. He's just freaking out. Yeah.

He always is like, oh, okay, man. You're a co-pilot. Get your shit together. Yeah. I have Bruce Greenwood. Who... The union rep for the air rep? It just didn't seem like he had very much control over what the fuck.

was going. It's a good point. Yeah. I like that. Wood sage is the worst. I already, C.R. mentioned Zemekhas Goes Chalk

with a lot of the music. There's a, so, I would say for a wood stage the worst, there's a two hour, 45 minute

version in this movie, and there's a one hour 40 minute version of this movie. And this movie's kind of in the middle. And I am not sure. I had this in the,

in the, the, the what's her oh the butcher's girlfriend for weak link of the movie I really like Kelly Riley in this movie I I feel like they're missing a scene or they didn't nail the scene or literally lay in the plane no pun intended on an awesome scene with them on a porch where they had these moments where I'm like man I wish these two great actors I just wish they one of these scenes was better and more memorable because it's not I think what you're getting at is that second act where it feels like

it's just like this kind of roller coaster of him being like, I'm gonna be okay, you've made me feel okay, and then he falls off the wagon, and then like this kind of back and forth that they're doing. Because they spend a lot of time building that Kelly Riley character up, where it's, we have all this backstory with her, and she's got a drug issue, and we're off with her, and it feels like it's about the two people.

She has no influence on him. But I don't think that's the point. I think the point is that like there are, like, there isn't actually like a white knight coming to save you that makes you see like the error of your ways and the value of life. Like, you have to find that out yourself. But it seems like he affected her, though. Well, so what happened, in my opinion, is that she saw as bad as it can get, she wanted no parts of it.

But for him... She's like, this is how I wind up in The Beast with Two Bags. And the Beast with Two Bags. Right. For him... The Beast with Three backs, it would be the sequel. For him, she is essentially no different three, the Beast got another back. Yeah.

Like, it's like... A third back. For him... Beescott Back. She's just like another beer. Beescott back. She's just another beer. He's just using her to self-suit.

Yeah. Like, she's just like... another upper downer or whatever. And when she realizes that, that it's just another thing that he's using and he'll abuse her, just like he abuses the alcohol and the drugs, she goes, okay, I gotta leave.

Yeah. And I think there's also there's something about those scenes where it's like... I just wanted an awesome scene with them. I got you. And it's missing. I really enjoyed the scene where he finally shows the depth

of his depravity to her. When he... Yeah, yeah, that's good. Where he's still around, he goes, you know, I never had to suck dick. And she goes, I never,

Because she, her character still has some dignity. Right. And she finds that dignity. She wouldn't do 2,000 for the anal. We're going to talk about it. Next one is the, oh, that was my Butch's girlfriend. Did you guys have Butch's girlfriend or no? You have a weak link?

Not really. Not really. And then was there a better title for this movie? I'm going to say no. I got one. This is your pilot speaking? That's good. Oh.

What do you have? Soulplane 2. turned upside down Soul plane two inverted Soul plane two inverted The Malay Rubin Award Did this movie need a better sex seed? I don't know if it could

I think we're good I got a better title Act of God Yeah that's good That's good Craig Look at Craig Good job Craig Look at you coming into 24 all guns blazing man

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vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. Would you have for what stage the worst? Man, interracial. Dr. Um, is taking interracial away, you know, you guys familiar with Dr. Umar? I think so, but I'm not sure.

He's from Philly. Yeah. Oh, then I know him. From North Philly. Yeah. I know you know all the brothers from Philly. I just wonder sometimes when I see interracial on camera, I'm like, yo, what would Dr. Umar say?

Like, what's going to go down? Like, what's in his mind? I wonder if Denzel would do this right now with the whole Dr. Umar's situation. We're losing interracial out there. Dr. Umar got us. I got to tell you, I don't think Bill Warr, I know how to respond to this.

Yeah. I'm just going to stare at you. I'm just saying. I got a beautiful black sister, but there's a lot of bunny hoppers out there, and they can't bunny hop no more because Dr. Umar got him in check. So shout out to you guys, Craig.

You fuck with Dr. Umar? I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah. Okay. I don't know who Dr. Umar is. I'll sing it around on the group text. Okay. Sounds good.

Thanks. Best quote. I really enjoy I've been every kind of masseuse there is. lesson in life if somebody who likes says that to you maybe break up with them

right oh shit I also like when Goodman comes into the room with the with the cocaine and all that and he's like guard the door

see low all right gentlemen I need that table cleared and placed in front of whip with a chair behind it now please I need a glass of water I need a credit card

I need a hundred dollar bill Do you have an S-A-S out of state? I do, actually. What do you got? This movie makes a lot more sense when you understand that Nick and WIP are dead, the entire movie. Oh, you're saying this is a Top Gun Maverick situation? When the plane is inverted and flying over the hotel,

you see Nick, she's in, she's on the gurney, she's got the oxygen mask on, she's obviously OD'd, and then WIP crashes into a field full of angels with the people in their robes. So obviously there's something about the symbolism of like the congregants there. But even like you kind of

mentioned, the James Badgedale character is sort of an apparition. These three people are smoking in a hospital. He's probably the most famous man in Atlanta. She's somehow there. And that this movie is essentially their purgatory and that they have to like make things right before they move on.

Oh wow. And she does it. And that's why she kind of has this sort of beautiful exit where she gets into the car and drives off into like a new life. And he eventually does too. He just needs to take like a kind of more like, you know, spiritual accountability for what he's been doing and who he is and what it means to his father. He makes the decision to go. Yeah. And you can say that like Cheetah was almost his lawyer in this whole thing, but like Goodman is the devil on his shoulder who's like dragging him back into it. You mentioned that the bottom. So it's like heaven can wait. Yeah. And you said that your mom was like the, the, when she saw the, the, when she saw the

mini fridge. That it's like... It's the devil. It's basically the snake. It's like the temptation. So that's why the mini fridge had so many bottles in it. Yeah. And it's glowing.

It's like, you know, it's like... That's really interesting. It is interesting. I think it actually... I mean, I'm not saying that that is what the filmmakers intended, but I do think a reading of the film in that way makes some of the more odd parts about the movie click. Which, to be honest with you, throughout the...

Even a part in the movie there where they're taken off and the... the copilot goes, oh God, and Whip goes, he can't help you now. Like, there's a weird underlay. The lady that she's very, very religious. Yeah. Like God is like pulling at him the entire time. There's also this weird stuff where it's like every time WIP walks into a bar, the plane crashes on the TV, which is, I guess you could make an argument that that would be realistic,

but most bars you walk into, it's just a basketball game or a football game is on. Like nobody's watching the news and bars. and another thing is like when he goes and meets Ken, the co-pilot, and he's like, there is only one judge, sir. Like, there is this idea that, like, he's based... So I just thought that was interesting. Did you read this on, like, Reddit.com slash Denzel? And then I didn't Google it on Reddit specifically

because I was like, I like this idea, so I did not read it. That's really strong, see. But I... Some of your best work. I bet someone else has thought of it before into that person, I say. Well, I'll tell you what, you better cite them or else you could lose your job at Harvard. But I didn't read about it, so, you know...

Well, we thought Top Gun Maverick that we made a real case after that movie came out. We did the rewatchful. He dies when he's going point 10 or whatever. And then he just kind of lands and he's all of a sudden at some bar and it's ridiculous.

And it's like he's dead. And then the rest of the movie is him kind of catching up with stuff. I have a hottest take as well. Yeah. She should have done the beast with two backs. Two grand? $2,000?

She should have done. I'm sorry to follow up his beautiful. Beautiful spiritual, but like when I saw the movie this time, I was like the guy came over, it was a fair offer. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it could, I feel like this movie has an anti-sex work underbelly. I won't tolerate it. And so it made it seem like he was.

I think part of the problem was that the directing team was a little bit harsh. A little. I thought the one guy was like. Kip was nice. I thought they were trying to be cool. He's like, hey, he looks at her. He says, you have talent. Yeah.

And we have this, and he doesn't just say, come over here, get smashed out by Don. He says, we have an artistic perspective. Yeah. We have a point of view. We think that you can add to that $2,000. $2,000. Those guys were kind of like the Cullen Brothers of porn, you know? Right.

They're trying to get something. These were too bad. Great title. That's, um, mine is, I have probably the worst one of the three. Sometimes I feel like cocaine gets a bad rap. Oh, because it's actually like this great equalizer? Yeah. Really helped out the, really helped out Denzel in this movie.

Maybe all the cocaine awareness adds in the 80s should have had a disclaimer. Yeah. Maybe there's some positive, some side benefits. He's a little kick-up, kicks up the energy. I don't know. Danny McBride Award for playing yourself. Pierce Morgan. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, he was in it. Yeah. The Cliff Booth Award, is this movie better if the main character had a pet? We don't always get to do this. Is this movie better if Denzel has like, I don't know, a white lab. Or like a... So he can get the dog high hook hook?

That's not be one of the worst... No, where he comes home and the dog's been alone for like two days. So you want to add animal cruelty into whips? Yeah, or it's just like, oh man, now even the fucking dog, like, maybe at the end Kelly Radley takes the dog. Faced the dog. I think it probably would have been better if, like, Kip, the porn director, had like an iguana. It was just on his shoulder or something like that. Like an albino snake or something.

Yeah. Casting what ifs, we only have Kelly Radley. beating out Olivia Wilde and Dominique McGilligate. Who is Dominique McGilligate? I don't know who that is. But I know who Olivia Wilde is. It's an interesting idea. I think she's too young at this point in 2012, but it's...

She was super, super hot in her career at that point, though. Interesting one. She was like on top of everybody's list. What do you have for Rough Loe-Hanna Rubinick Partridge overacting Award, Chris? I think it's probably Goodman. In a good way. I love Goodman because he's our runaway winner of the Dion Waders Award unless you want to make a case for Trina

or Vicky Praise Jesus the co-pilot's wife. You've made a case for Trina, haven't you? Made a case for Trina. I think the case can be made. I think it's a strong case. Very strong case.

One of the strongest, but I think you got to get... Goodman's so Dionne Waiter's in this. This is the definition. Right. He just comes in, hits three-threes, comes back in later, scores 12 points in two minutes,

leaves. The only thing I wish they showed more of him doing the Cocoa Puff construction. Yeah. Because how you make the close up. And then he's like obviously in his, yeah. Best that guy award, we mentioned the lady from the devil's advocate to Maritone.

I have her, yeah. I got Peter Garrity, who's the airline owner who's like, does your client know he's going to jail? What's he from? Oh, he's in the wire. Yeah. The judge from the wire. But also, Craig and I were talking about this beforehand. Is the implication that that guy

owns the Braves? Yeah. That's pretty funny. Well, he said they're at the stadium. Yeah. He's talking about I just love baseball. I have a better one. Did MLB sign off on that? Were they like, yeah, sure, she played there? I have a better that guy, though.

So he goes to the meeting and two beer, Barry gives the long speech. That's the rat from Dead Poet Society, the bad guy. Oh, wow. You just bought yourself a ticket out of here, New Wanda. That's that guy. Recasting a couch. just can we do thought experiment or Ryan Gosling as the co-pilot?

I think Gary Ritty's really good I think Just putting in like a high high level actor Just bring somebody Just just Just some star power

Right How about Viola Davis Is the flight attendant Who survives Instead of our devil's advocate lady She's not come on man What She's not going for that

That's a great part She's not She's not fucking around She's fucking in black hat She was just two years later Games too Or whatever Come on

She's not Come on, guys. Was it disrespect over Viola Davis? She's not coming in for two different scenes. She's in like four scenes. Melissa Leo does? Melissa Leo, that's a different scene. That's a scene of authority.

People love them. All right, then let's make Viola Davis in the Melissa Leo scene. Viola Davis and Melissa Leo scene. Exactly. And Melissa Leo. Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, that sounds great. Everywhere is right around the corner.

You guys got to be more mindful. Have fast internet research. Flight was loosely inspired by the 2000 crash of Alaska Airlines Flight 261, which was caused by a broken jack screw, no survivors. They were able to fly the plane inverted near the end and it didn't work. Flight was filmed in Atlanta, Georgia. Robert Zemeckis, big plane guy.

Yeah. 16-100 hours of flight experience, which may be why he filmed two of the best plane crashes we've ever had. The airline pilot community pissed about this movie. Why? Patrick Smith. said that Whitaker wouldn't have survived two minutes at an airline

and we shouldn't be slandered by his ugly character. They have very stringent testing. They don't want to have fucked up pilots. I'll get to some picking nets, yeah. In real life, John Goobman's sober since 2007. There's a movie called The Pilot with Cliff Robertson from 1980 where the title character is an alcoholic and has to make a risky decision

and save the plane and pastures and then deals with the country. consequences and the addiction. I'm just going to mention that. He sets the alarm for 714. This helps out your theory, C.R. In the theme of faith, the Chronicles 714 reads, If my people who are called by my name

shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. Another religious symbolism thing. Denzel So this is really for Van This is half-ass internet research for Van

About the opening scene Denzel says Over the years Part of his preparations If he has a bed scene With a lady in the movie This is my fit I know this one

He takes them out to eat So they have They feel better about how you're not What a guy What a guy What a fuck is a guy So that it seems like they've known each other Like, there's a little bit familiarity.

Here's this quote. When I did flight, the first scene we shot, she was supposed to be naked. So I thought maybe we ought to go out and have a bite to eat or something. Say hello and get to know each other a little bit. Before you got to walk around with no clothes on all day. Where do you think Denzel Washington takes Nadine Velasquez to eat? Probably like. Chili's?

Yeah. Like a vegan place? No, no, like a Jay Alexander. You know what I mean? Probably like a steakhouse, right? Some are nice. Some are classy. But just think about some of the women that Denzel has taken to eat.

Let me tell you something. There's been a few dinners. Her. Eva Mendez. Eva Mendez. She was like, hey. He's like, who is. Sinai, Nathan?

He's taking some ladies out to eat. Yeah. Everyone in Moe Better Blues. Right. Finda Williams. Fucking beautiful. Billy Bob Thornton's X-Wi. Milojovich.

Yeah. There's been a few. He's been. He's got a punch card. So. It's like, validate your parking. Yeah. Quarter.

table. Right. So Nadine Velasquez said she was a little put off by having to bend over right in front of Denzel with no clothes on because it's really, you know, a revealing. So she asked the makeup artist to give her a piece of flesh-colored tape to protect her her parts. So when she leaned over, nothing. So they filmed that part of the scene and then they're doing the part when she climbs on

him and they're waiting and they're moving the cameras around and whatever they're doing. Denzel, this is her telling the story. Denzel asked, can I ask you a personal question? She said yes, and he asked, is that a piece of tape that you have down there? Yeah. He was looking at it, wondering if it was a deformity and must have been confused

because it was so close to her skin color. And she told him, Denzel, you can't have it all. Oh, Jesus Christ, we're getting busy on. That was from an interview with her. I'm telling you. Yeah. Apex Mountain

Wait, I have one more piece of Hapace on this research that I can't believe this is true. Kip, the porn director slash drug dealer actually is a pretty accomplished film editor who edited Country Strong.

Wow! Shout out to Liz Kelly. Holy shit. Also, the flight number 227 it's a superstition regarding flights. Adds up to 11. Do you want to tell them the superstition?

A number of spectacular airline crashes have had such flight numbers such as AA Flight 191, the DC-10 that lost an engine in Chicago and crashed in 79, and Delta Flight 191 that crashed as a result of a microburst in Dallas. See, now Van's going to start adding numbers

when he's going up. I already started looking at the shit. Apex Mountain Denzel no Nadine Velazquez She's also on my name is Earl at this point So I'm gonna say yes

Yeah Apex Kelly Radley no Zemechus plane crashes So I give you this I'll give you castaway I think this is better than Castleway We sure

It's I think it's better I think it's way more interesting Yeah Okay Castleway is a very fucking like that's a harrowing like, oh my God, it's fucked up. But this is like a step by step. This is better to me.

I like when the guy's trying to help Chuck and then he gets in the head and he's like, ah. It's just like, wow, this crashing on a plane just seems like the worst. The plane hasn't even crashed yet. People like, ah, got Cammy the stewardess bouncing around.

Addiction movies. I go leaving Las Vegas. This, leaving Las Vegas. So leaving Las Vegas, I would say probably because it wins, wins Oscar stuff, right? Train spotting. Working for a dream.

That's not going to be in the rewatchables. That's a tough movie. That's not going to be on the rewatchables month with that in United 93. That actually, to be honest with you, would be hilarious. Like, unwatchables. Like, just movies.

I never want to see this again. That's that Clint Eastwood Hillary Swank movie. Oh, million-dollar baby. I won't watch one second in that movie again. I was so angry. Like, we did it on the Midnight Boys because Jomey had never seen it before.

You never seen a million-dollar baby? So Jomey had never seen a million-dollar baby. Did you know what happened? Nope. And I was like, Jomi, you in your wildest dreams cannot imagine how this movie is going to end. Yeah. And so we made him look at it. We made him watch it and then come back and report to us on the next podcast.

He was like, yo, what the fuck is going on? And people were like, here's all the Oscars. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's such a weird Oscars. Post-Rosan John Goodman for Apex Mountain. what else will be up there?

Like tons of Cohen stuff that he's done. Lobowski. Lobowski after Rosanne? That's Lobowski then. Atlanta? I'm going to say no. Cocaine is a positive force. Yeah, sure, Bill.

Yeah. Got a cocoa puff coming for your big boy. Cocoa puff coming free. All right. Now here comes to Bimanaana, man. Almost everything that Goodman, it's all post-Rosein. Yeah.

Yeah. So absolutely not. Heroin Barron batches called the Taliban Fuck Apex Mount for that Right

Stroke max Stroke bags Mugags Hotel minibars Best use of a hotel minibar in a movie scene I'm gonna say yes

We rarely get to do best racehorse name But Whip Whittaker Is just an amazing name for a horse It's like Whip Whittaker Might win the triple crown

Cocoa puff as well Cocoa Pov Banana Boat Here comes banana boat All right, picket nits. I have a few. You want to go first? I mean, it's just, with all due respect,

like, no one notices that this guy, like, reeks of booze that has cocaine. That's my first thing. He's point two-four drunk and it just kind of waltzes into the plane. Like, hey. But he's all sandwich. The Coke, but you're still going to be emitting the booze odor. The Colpilot did notice.

He said he smelled it on him. Yeah. I mean, I'm surprised that Margaret doesn't. I think it's that she knows who he is. Oh, she says, She's like, I've known you for 12 years. She said, I've known you for that long. You're going to tell me you went to dinner and you only had two drinks?

I mean, he asked for a black coffee and, like, four aspirin. Like, she knows what's that. Yeah. It's a CR before the podcast. Same thing. Black coffee. Panetta me. Cocoa puff.

Yeah, I feel like they would know. Would Catarina, aka Trina, be more scared on a super bumpy flight, knowing that she had just spent the entire night with this guy and done drugs and gotten super drunk and they never slept? and now he's in charge of this plane. Probably, but it's not the first time I would have mentioned. I also think that there's an interesting element of, it's like a lot of that stuff is automated.

So it's like even in the beginning when they're taking off and like I think Ken is like something, like says something about autopilot. And he's like, no, no, no, we're flying today. He says, I'm flying today, yeah. And it's kind of like, that's not really like, you can probably let the autopilot take care of a lot of the flying. I do think though that in that.

Which isn't to say that I want my pilot to be faded. I never even knew that you could take off with the autopilot and when I, because this movie made me go Google a bunch of shit

you can't just take off with the shit you can land with this shit yeah like the plane can fucking land itself was fucking weird

um but did he maybe want to wasn't he trying to like fly super fast and push through the he was going like above the recommended air speed to get through like the cloud car

yeah they're not making sure the adjoining door in the hotel room is unlocked maybe just like that out that mini fridge out of there There's no mini-fridge.

That's my thing, like, no mini-fridge. Additionally, the security guard guy out front would have definitely heard Denzel up all night, destroying the shit, falling down. He was like, oh, quiet as a people all night. There was bottles everywhere. Yeah. He, like, hit his head on the toilet. He didn't hear any of that?

Yeah, there's an obscene amount of alcohol on the mini fridge. Maybe he's listening to pods. It's be funny. You go out there. You go out there. He's just listening to Riscilla. He's like life advice Great this week.

There's an obscene amount of drank bottles in the morning that just feels like the guy would be dead. I would say there's 20 drank bottles, maybe more. That's my biggest picking Nick. Is he fucking Andre the Giant?

Right. He is fucking crazy of them. Yeah. Maybe 30 bottles. You build up top. But remember all the beer bottles, like everything that he's drinking, he is,

He never gets alcohol poisoning. And I know guys with high tolerances, but he's not that big of a dude. Why didn't they just postpone the hearing? Just say he had food poisoning. There's something like kind of, yeah, I mean, I think that. Better outcome than having the banana boat come in. I know.

I think there's something inevitable about he has to eventually face the judge, you know? I would have gone with the food poisoning excuse. Any other picketts? only one is I would have brought him to my house closer to the time that he needed to testify

like I give him like three days sober Oh yeah Like instead like You get to start Two days, 10 days It's gonna start itching a little bit Sequel prequel prestige TV

All Blackcast are untouchable I got a prequel And a pretext TV piece to this Yeah and a prequel too Prequel would be Whippin' Charlie and the Navy Oh That's good

It's pretty fun sequel would be whipped being shot caller in prison I just watched shot collar again oh we're officially scouting it yeah it's being scouted for the 24th slave you got your guys watching yeah I got my guys you guys are watching Yamamoto four scouts at the last shot collar screening on stars

three business liking that movie as much as I did it's just like awesome it's just like no business like it's amazing he's so frail and then he becomes the is not it is no business like in that movie as I did it's so frail and then he becomes the is no fucking business like We wouldn't have

Prison Movie Month It'll just be Prison Movie Year 2025 prison movies Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins Danny Trao Catherine Hahn

Steve Busce Sam Jackson JT Walsh Byron Mayo Harling Mays or Philip Baker Hall Arling Mays is disqualified

So I would say that This movie is 18 times funnier If Sam Jackson is what would occur I had that Wait a minute

Bro I If he's just like like I said rolling motherfucker You're incredible I also had I said

Sam could play either whip or he could play John Goodman's character Oh yeah Which would give us

The Denzel It's the banana bow motherfuckerucker Open wine Big Dog Hold that Sam Jackson is hardly

Maze I think is better I mean like That would I would love to see the Sam version with whip

But Was I talking to you? I don't think Wayne Jenkins can be in any movie where someone calls someone else Big Dog. There's already enough Wayne Jenkins in it. But I do think that Harling Mays, we should go back and do the previous 300 rewatchables of Arling Mays.

So I was thinking like... He's here for the future. If Harling Mays was in the company and saving Private Ryan when Giovanni Rabizi gets shot, and he's just like, focus up, Big Dog. Here's a train coming. Keep it down, Big Dog.

It was just like in France That would be good I was thinking if Byron Mayo was in the first scene Put some pants out You're gonna get this big dog round up again Oh fuck Just one Oscar who gets it

Denzel Can I make a case for the screenplay? Sure This is about as well written of a screenplay as we're getting the last 15 years just from what they're trying to do and actually pulling it off and building all these different characters. It would have been a cool win who won that year? It was Tarantino.

It was written by John Gatton's. He worked on it for like a really long time. What are the best screenplays? Like Whiplash fucking... Yeah, it's like it's for me it's in that whole group of when we talk about like oh, that's a really original piece of work with cool. characters that's memorable and rewatchable and the whole thing. I think it's,

I think it's on there. Probably in answerable questions. Look, WIP, everyone's a hero in their own story, as Dave Chacobie has always said. And WIP can make the case, like, I'm the only person who could have landed that plane.

They simulated it 10 times. Maybe the plane got a little fucked up because he flew it through the most turbulent path possible and jostled some shit. And maybe he was to blame ultimately anyway. Just throwing it out there. It's unanswerable. I want to know, like, could he really have gotten the toxicology report struck?

Like, the lawyer, when Hugh was like, congratulations, big win for us today. I got your tox report struck. Like, that just seems like one of those things where it's like, they're not going to strike that on the technicality, you know what I mean? Or it would get leaked that this happened. Right. I mean, yeah. Could you really invert an airliner?

So there's been a lot of, there's a lot of internet stuff on this. Popular mechanics had a piece on it. theoretically you can do it it could immediately risk engine failure they said conceivably this could work because the inversion it would

basically stave off stuff that was happening I thought it did happen that's what you said like they inverted the plane right but it crashed well the question is not if you can invert it is if you can turn that motherfucker back over once you've inverted right so that's what popper mechanic said you'd want to increase power if needed flip

and land quickly because once you righted the plane, it would crash down again. So you would almost have to flip it right before you're on the ground for it to work. But it could happen. Next, an answer to question,

what is a banana boat? Like, ultimately, what do we think? If we all had to go around and circle and say, what's a banana boat? Like, you're, you're down,

you got a lot, you're hungover, you're drunk, the banana boat's going to take you to the beach. We're going to get it well. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

What did Harling May is do for a living? I think he dealt a little bit A little time drug dealer Yeah Probably made a little book What was his W-2 2 form that he filled out? Like he was

Spiritual advisor Worked at a sports card store He's a welder or something like that He was in sports card nonsense Yeah Um Drunk flight attendants What?

I don't know Maybe bring him back Is that an unanswerable question? Was it more fun If flight attendants Seemed a little drunker? I think shit would get really wild up in the air right now if you had

if you had drunk flight attendants who were fighting with drunk. I like it. If they're drunk. I like it's a little more festive. Yeah. We'll have a drink. It's like when the bartender when you're at a bar and the bartender's like, yeah, I'll do a shot with you. I think that if that's the case, if we want to do that, we should start designating like, this is the fucked up plane

and this is the silver plane. I've always been with that. It's called Spirit Airlines. Right. I've always been with that. One plane. Let the flight attenders drink. No kids. Like the whole night. The party flight. Yeah, party flight. All right, here's my big one for you. What song has been more overused in movies?

Give me shelter or sympathy for the devil? Sympathy for the devil. By the Rolling Stones. Yeah, I think... I actually did the research on this. So you guys have to answer and then I'll tell you. I think sympathy is... I'll go sympathy for the devil.

Okay. Sympathy for the devil was in focus, flight, suicide squad, interview of the vampire, Tropic Thunder, coming home with John Voight and Bruce Dern and Jane Fonda, and Crewella. Those are the only movies that's ever been in? Those were the ones that I could find on the internet. Oh.

Give me shelter. Flight, Goodfellas, the departed, casino, Ford versus Ferrari, the gambler, the fan, lair cake, and adventures and babysitting. It's actually been in more movies. Interesting. I love adventures. Flight is the only movie that doubled down and said we're going to do more. Even Scorsese, even Scorsese had never done that one.

But yeah, I thought it was funny. Scorsese used Ging Me Shelter in three different movies. and arguably his three most re-watched movies. Best double-feature choice of this movie, what he got? I had cast away. Fearless. I had fearless. The Indian Reds-Owant-N-A-Word would happen the next day.

We know. What do you think happened to Kelly Riley? Married with kids. Yeah, she went somewhere. She's probably a YouTuber now. Any regrets about the Beast with Two Backs? Oh, yeah. About what could have been?

Yeah. Maybe she comes back and she does OnlyFans. I don't know. I just don't think we should rule. out sex work. Did she know stepmom porn's coming? Like she's...

Milf, the whole deal. She's right on the edge. She's got her own camera. Do it for yourself. What piece of memorabilia would you want for this movie? Goodman's travel case? Cocoa Puff.

Coco Puff. Yeah. The Coach Finstock... Which guy here at this table because the best part is when he's like somebody make me a cocoa puff and Bruce Greer was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

And Dodge Hill's like, give me a cigarette. Right. Coach Finstock are best life lesson. Sometimes you have to crash a jetliner to realize you should stop drinking. Yeah. That was my life lesson.

I think that's a good one. Okay. Yeah. Do you want to do a little more Byron Mayo? Is the third person in the hotel room? Byron Mayo storming out of the bathroom when they de Velasquez. Jesus. Who dropped the bomb in there?

God damn it, Trina. Come on. We can fly to Atlanta. That's just 45 minutes. Dump that cold. pilot, get me in there. All right, and who won the movie? We got that. Producer Craig, let's hear it.

I pretty much agree with you guys on everything you said about this movie. The opening scene, I'm not the easiest flyer either. I don't know why, like last five years, haven't been an easy flyer. This movie, I mean, I'm sitting watching this on a laptop in a room, and I'm terrified. Couldn't have imagined watching this in a theater. Genuinely, easily the most, like, harrowing

plane crash, I don't know, maybe any scene ever. The most stressful than I've ever seen. It's terrifying. Yeah, we should have mentioned in what stage is the worst that the movie theater experience of that scene. Oh my God. Just versus like watching on your laptop.

It was loud. It was loud. It was amazing. The come down is so hard after that in a movie theater. I know. But I do feel that like this is a first 25 last 25 kind of movie. I wanted one time in the middle. I wanted him to fly that little putt putt playing with her.

I thought like seeing him one more time get up there like a little drunk. Yeah. I thought would have been awesome. Maybe that could have been the extra scene with them. Like they were taking. in it and I was like oh great I just think it needed one more like actiony scene to like reel you back in and like you know like a little cocoa puff in the middle of this did this movie need a cocoa puff?

Yeah but also Chris is they were dead the whole time theory that's probably the best one I've ever heard and it made me like think about this movie completely differently I I've just seen this movie a few times I it's really weird that they're doing white robe baptism in the middle of a field there's the most believable one I've ever heard so I Like I said, like if that's somebody else's had that idea before me, that's, I like it. I like it, too. Thanks. Good to see you.

Good to see you, best.