The Rewatchables - ‘Forgetting Sarah Marshall’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: March 5, 2019

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey take a trip to Hawaii to try and get over the 2008 hit comedy ‘Forgetting Sarah Marshall,’ starring Jason Segel, Mila Kunis, and Kristen Bell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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St. Louis, Missouri. I love B.L. Are those sad tissues or happy tissues? Forgetting Sarah Marshall is coming up next. Peter, as you know, I love you. Are you breaking up with me? Everywhere I look, I'm reminded of her. Why don't you go on a vacation?

I could go to Hawaii. Welcome to Turtle Bay and enjoy your stay. Peter This spray Get out of your head It's really nice out here Are you gonna jump for what? Oh,

Universal Pictures Presents Oh, hey You're welcome to join us Obviously, like Okay Forgetting Sarah Marshall That's a great necklace

Liz Did you have that a second ago? Oh, that's gross All right, Chris Ryan is here Sean Fentacy is here We're talking about The 2008 Classic for getting Sarah Marshall.

Recommended by Craig the producer. Congrats to Craig. We're going to do Fletch this week. Blame him. Yeah. Anybody who's older than 25 and you were like, where's my Fletch pod? It's Craig's fault.

Please tweet it, Craig, the most powerful member of the Rewatchables team. But here's what happened. I made him watch Fletch anyway. I pretended that we were going to do Fletch today and he watched it and he really liked it. So at some point we're going to do Fletch.

Yeah. He's like pretty good. We're definitely going to do Fletch though. We'll do Fletch. Okay. But we want to do this one just because he planted the seed. I watched it again. I really enjoyed it.

And I actually, I'm going to start here. You can make the case this is age the best of any of the Apatow comedies from the 90s. Or from the OOs. I assume that this would be a big part of the conversation, the Aptovian era. Stoler as like the almost, not the better Apatow, but the kind of, he's like perfected a certain formula. Yeah. Yeah. So do you agree or disagree?

Which one has aged the best out of all of those? Well, it's an interesting concede for this specific podcast because I think that five-year engagement in forgetting Cyril Marshall, both of which have flaws and everything, but like when they're on TV, I'm just kind of like, oh, yeah, I kind of like this movie a lot. I forgot this guy's in it. I forgot this part happens.

Whereas with knocked up and super bad, I feel like those are just like kind of like ingrained in my mind the way like any 80s comedy would be, sort of like one of the classics I've grown up with. Like, I don't know that I can watch knocked up again. I've seen it so many times. But I continue to find these, like, really surprising and thoughtful and interesting. I think I have a bigger relationship to Superbad.

Yeah, I do too. This is a really good movie, though. It's really coherent in a lot of ways. It's not just like a sticky comedy. It's trying to say something, which seems kind of silly given what's happening inside the movie and the setting and everything. but it has like a little bit of heart, but it's also not trying to be a story that tells what it's like to be a 40-year-old man.

A lot of the movies that Apetow writes and directs himself, he has these like heavy themes, and he's like, I'm going to explore this stuff. This is like a populist comedy that also has something to say. So Apatow's script advice to Jason Siegel, who is the star and screenwriter of the movie, I want the first draft you give me to be a drama.

We'll make it funny. it's going to be funny because we're funny and we're going to add jokes and the people we cast will be funny the reason people will see it and see it again again or connect to it is because there's an underlying drama. Pretty good advice.

So this is one of those movies that it's almost like a salary cap era comedy because you've got guys like Hater and Jonah. Early Hater. Hater had been on S&O for like a year. On their first deals. Yeah.

And like now you probably couldn't schedule them, you couldn't pay them, but like you've got like three to seven people in this movie are like, holy crap, that guy just came in off the bench and dropped 12 points in five minutes. Yeah, right. And so, that's the crucial part about this movie, is that

like, he's right. They did have funny people. They did have people who could just make, like, really liven it up when Seagull's crying for 10 minutes, and then they could like really energize the movie. Yeah, you know, also I think my rule about weddings, movies that opens with weddings are always a go, also movies in Hawaii

or go, in part because the lot of thoughts on this. People want to go. People want to go. to Hawaii and make a movie. They want to be in Hawaii to make the movie. So even if it's a salary cap team and Jonah Hill isn't yet the Jonah Hill that we know, it's still like, sure, I'll go to Hawaii for 15 days and make your movie. It's just such a no-brainer.

I was thinking how if we had the same philosophy at the ringer, it'd be like, yeah, so we're going to do these watchables, but we have to go to Hawaii and do them for four weeks. We should get this podcast sponsored by the Hawaii Tourism. Yeah, we're the Hawaii. They're sponsoring us. So we're all going to go down. Siegel went to Hawaii for a month before the filming to work on the script, quote unquote. Oh, yeah, to get a feel for Hawaii.

I remember when Lost was going and I was like, this show's going to go for like 15 years because like, why would you ever leave this place? And obviously, it probably drove them a little nuts after a while being stuck out there. And like, if you're in Hawaii for a long time, you're like, this is my seventh $35 cheeseburger of the day or whatever. Yeah, and that's a subtext of Hawaii is how expensive it is. But the idea of unbroken beauty and comfort is such an interesting core idea in the movie. The idea that everything should be perfect when you're there and you feel terrible is one of the big defining aspects.

Sandler figured this out. Yes. He's made entire movie selections for four months of his career based on locations. Yes. Including blended, which my kids love. Yeah. But Sandler's figured that out. He's made entire movie decisions based on this.

There was also that one with Vince Vaughn and like Peter Billingsley. Couples retreat. That was another one where it's like, hey, guys. You guys want to go to Hawaii? Got this script. We could just go on vacation. I would, by the way, totally do this about the famous actor. It's very telling that no one, with the exception of descendants a little bit, but not really.

No one ever makes the dark side of Hawaii movie. They're always like, it's a movie set in a resort. Like, what the hell? Like, yeah, let's hang out of this resort for three weeks. Brady Bunch even did it. There is that one movie, though, about the couple that is like kids. kidnapped, that thriller. Do you remember this? Oh yeah, the David Kapp movie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Oliphant's in that, right? Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about? I feel like it's called like Last Resort. Something like that. Oh, 8, 09. I've seen that movie. It's in this same era. Ola fans the Kidnapper. Yeah. Wow, you just spoiled one of the most exciting movies.

There's a really big twist in that movie. About 11 years ago. Sorry. But you're right, that movie starts very idyllically too. It's sort of like, it's beautiful. These people are on vacation. They're having a great time. It's the perfect place to go. You can see why people would want to make a movie.

like that because you get to spend two months in Hawaii. The worst case scenarios of this were either, what was the one with Claire Daines and Clair in Capekansas? Broke down palace. Yeah, that's like, hey, we're going to go to Thailand. Oh, wait, we're going to be in prison the whole time. It's not great. And then the one with Naomi Watts, where the family gets hit by a tsunami.

That's another one. It's like, yeah, it's tropical vacation. Oh, wait. Oh, there's a tsunami. Oh, that'll be a bummer. Those are significantly different, yeah. Adam Sandler has this figured out. The thing is, is Hawaii.

is one of the few things in my life that has lived up to the billing. Yeah. For years. I didn't go to Hawaii until I was in my 30s and when I went, I was like, pretty cynical. So I'd been cynical about everything

and people tell you about in life. Yeah. I felt really lucky to be able to go to Hawaii. Yeah, I've just been let down time and time again. And then when I got there, I was like, oh, shit. It's real. Like, this is actually really as great as everyone says it is. But in the same way that you're talking about before

about like the kind of emptiness that you can still take with you there. I remember the first time I went to Hawaii. I went to Maui, the first year I was living in L.A. So it was during the Spurs Heat Ray Allen shot finals. I don't know how I managed to go away during the finals. Thanks, Bill. And we arrived in Maui, we arrived at the hotel. And I remember it was like, it was June or whatever. And we went and they were like, you have two complimentary drinks at the terrace bar and you should go get them right now while we take your bags to room. And we got there And it was kind of like weirdly overcast and cold And like these two birds came and like

Wouldn't stop like wouldn't leave us alone And we were like sitting there with our weird mitis And we're like, does this suck? Does this suck for a second? And then of course it turns into paradise But there are moments there where you're like I don't know how to adjust to being kind of weighted on hand by a foot by the staff and like all the stuff that happens in Hawaii

And you kind of get that sense from this movie That he's like uncomfortable with the paradise part of it As a kid in the 70s The two big Hawaii moments were the Brady Bunch three-part episode when Vincent Price stole the kids from Luea. And then it was three episodes spread over three weeks, which was a big deal back then. But then the other one was, I'm blanking. Oh, Charlie's Angels.

Yeah. So Charlie's Angels went to Hawaii and they had to go to a nude beach. And it was like kind of racy for late 70s standards. And that was Hawaii's been on my radar ever since after those two things. But for pop culture. It's been on my radar. South Beach and Hawaii have always made whatever you're watching somehow like 28% better. Yeah.

I don't know. Like, painting gain, which I'm not even sure was even a decent movie. Yeah, that was also one that we got so jacked up for that it would have to have been citizen cane to live up to what we thought it was going to be. Yeah. But it was set in South Beach and that carried a lot of ways. I also feel like the Florida Keys is really helpful or when it or like the bayou when it's super sweaty. Sure. There's certain locations that just really enhance mediocreness.

This is not a mediocre movie. Yeah, those movies are always kind of like steamy crime thrillers. Yeah. You know, they're like, what's the Matt Dillon, Neff Campbell, Denise Richards movie? Wild things. You know, that's like that kind of like... Body heat. Yeah, Hawaii is beautiful.

What's like the Alec Baldwin? Classic. Heavenly creatures. Is it Heavenly creatures? Yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Good one. Classic. Also, the thriller that we were talking. talking about before. It's called the perfect getaway. Yeah. And it's David Toey. It's not... Well, I just ruined it for everybody. They're not going to watch it. So, the other thing that I think really helps this movie, and I'm happy to have this conversation now, Kristen Bell and Milakunis, both thrown 100, really rare to have a movie

that has two awesome, super likable actresses playing really good characters. Both those characters are really good. Like, Sarah Marshall on the wrong hands is a disaster. and a villain and she's just a bitch and you don't like her. And the way she unfolds in this movie, it's like she's a bitch. She's a narcissist, but I actually kind of like her and I feel bad for her and I'm rooting for her. And when she's trying to win Jason Siegel back, it actually seems like a good idea. You've gotten sucked in. You know, you should do this dude.

And then obviously he doesn't want to. It's a little bit of a test run for her character on The Good Place because she's kind of an asshole, but you kind of like her and want to be around her. Yeah, that's a good cop. And that's what she's been working on. And if you had a relationship with her before this, which I did, my wife's favorite show, maybe your favorite show of all time is Veronica Mars. And on Veronica Mars, she was not like this at all.

No. She was very smart. She was sort of an outsider. She was, you know, she was like a sleuth in a high school. And she had this kind of like, kind of tougher exterior. You know, she wasn't a glamorous TV actress in that show. So this was kind of her redefining herself a little bit because she's obviously beautiful and she's very funny.

But she's really good in this movie. And Mila Kunis, who had just been in that 70s show, and McCauley Culkin's girlfriend were basically her, the two things I knew about her leading into this movie. And she had gone for the Catherine Heigel part and knocked up. Yes. Yeah. Which I have that in casting what if, so let's hold that thought.

Okay. But just insanely likable. And this launched a really, really good 11-year career by her. This movie is basically defined by these two things that happens. One, it's a love triangle where you, you're actually engaged with the possibility that Peter could wind up with either one of these women because it's not like when you're watching some romantic comedies

and you're like, come on, man, you know who you're supposed to be with. What are we doing here? Greg Kinnear, are you kidding me? Like, you got to go. But in this one, you're actually like, he just met Rachel. She's working at this hotel. She's got her own life. Like, he's kind of like in a weird space.

It's possible. She gets super crazy at that one scene with outdoors. Oh, yeah, at the bonfire. So that's plants a seed, like, ah, maybe. Well, there's just like, all those things he's there the entire time he's there, he's pretty much pining after Sarah. So she could be like, I'm not so sure

this is the right thing to do. So that suspension of disbelief, that mystery kind of powers the movie. And then the invert, the thing that makes this movie so good is it is essentially a movie where it's about the breakup, but the person who's the hero of the movie

is essentially like this emotional puddle rather than somebody who's like, defining their own reality. So he's always reacting to them, which is like the best part about it. And usually the girl is the emotional puddle in the movie like this. And this was one of the very smart things

this movie did is it flipped it and made this guy just an emotional disaster. It is a... It is a primary example of the thing that most of the Apatow comedies got accused of, though, which is you have incredibly beautiful women pining after these schmows. Like Jason Siegel is a little bit more handsome

and a little bit more accomplished maybe than some of Seth Rogen's characters or Steve Correll and Forty girl virgin, but for the most part, he's still this like Galoof, you know? He's just kind of, he's big and he's burly and he doesn't really... He's like crying or naked for most the movie. You have to wonder, like, how high his Tinder score would be at that point. Right, right. This is that whole generation though,

because every CBS sitcom was like this too, or ABC. Two guys and a girl kind of thing. Jim Belushi married to Courtney Thornt Smith. Yeah. There's 25 examples of that. I will say, having lived in Los Angeles for a long time now, though, there sure are a lot of beautiful women married to a lot of galumph-looking guys. You know, like, it's not totally out of the realm of possibility that something like this could happen. Maybe not in the Seth Roke and Catherine Hegel variation.

Sure. But this one isn't pointed to as frequently as those others. So I want to ask about this. So you're saying L.A. men out kicked their coverage. Not all of them. Bill's lower jaw got like really standing there. Not all of them. No, I agree with Sean. I see it at the soccer games and the school things.

there's a lot of couples in L.A. where you're like, really? It's like that guy? The Dr. Dan Aykroyd with nothing but trouble? Really? Yeah. What are other great breakup movies?

So, wow. Most of them were not that funny. I mean, I was thinking about this because I was, my wife was rewatching. There's sections, but not entire movies based on a breakup. Right. Because like Singles has the whole section where they bring up. Absolutely. And say anything has probably the most like affecting, like,

breakup, but, you know, obviously it gets solved. But there's not very many movies that start with the breakup. Yeah. That start and then put you through that and put the character through that. I think the movie, the breakup starts with the breakup. The breakup literally does, but I would argue that this is a better film. Oh, definitely. Yeah, I still don't understand why the breakup didn't totally work.

It was a hit. It had, it made a lot of money, and it had two people, like, kind of at the, not Apex Mountain, but pretty close in their primes. And it's not a movie I would ever rewatch. it certainly won't make the rewatchables. Right. Right. But this is just,

it's a pretty big achievement to make a movie where the guy spends pretty much the first hour blubbering. Like, you know, and it's like still, oh,

I really want to watch this. This is compelling. You know what I think is the closest comparison? Just tonally, I think is high fidelity. Yeah. That's good one.

I think you say, Kramer versus Kramer. No. Because that might be the greatest breakup movie about that. But see, that's actually not really a breakup movie. That's a fatherhood,

father's father's son. You know that the bulk of that movie happens between the kid and the father. And there's some tough moments with Merrill Street. But, like, high fidelity is all about the breakups. Is kicking and screaming a breakup movie? It kind of is. Yeah, to some extent. It's a year after college.

Yeah, I think it's... We just broke up movie. Right. I think it's a little closer to the end that that becomes a breakup movie. What about Eternal Sunshine? That's a really good one. That's a great one. I feel like we're missing one and some reader's going to, or Twitter is going to hit us.

Is Eyes Wide Show to break up movie? I mean... Stay tuned to the rewatchfuls. It's a lot. Milakunis after this became... She's really underrated. That's my take on Milakunis. Is she may list her?

Because I feel like she is. The two bad bombs movies made a shitload of money. And even in the positioning of those movies, which Kristen Bell is in, she's still positioned as the star of it. I feel like Kristen Bell's a pretty big star. I think she's probably at this point, like, one of the most recognizable actresses in Hollywood, even though you don't think of her that way, but between, like,

being in Jim Beam commercials that are on for 15 hours every football Sunday, and then being in 70s show and being in bad moms and this, like pretty much everybody knows who she is. I say this carefully, and I know it's going to make Sean uncomfortable.

Okay. So you're going to stare at him first to make him feel even more comfortable? I'm not making eye contact with Bill for the rest of this podcast. It's a very small and select group of actresses that, guys can really like

and women are okay with. Like my wife likes me Lekunis. My wife looks at me Likunis. Christy Yamaguchi, Christy Yamaguchi skating over thin ice right now. It's great. My wife really likes Milakunis and is like, I could be friends with Milakunis.

Same thing for Kristen Bell. Everybody likes Kristen Bell. I think it's very hard for somebody to pull that off. And conversely, I'm going to bring it all the way around. Same thing with actors. It's very hard to find the actor who, like, women can have a crush on, but men are like, yeah, I like that guy.

I'd be friends with him. That's like the hardest. This is the algebraic equation of stardom, isn't it? It's the hardest little circle to enter is that, where everybody likes you. I'm a little bit reluctant to dive into the ocean waters of this conversation. I will say, I think one of the things about Milakunis and Kristen Bell is

they are both very funny actresses. They are not self-deprecating. In the past, when you would write about this kind of idea, you would always talk about Jennifer Love Hewitt and how my wife hates Jennifer Love Hewitt. Everybody's wife hates Jennifer Love Hewitt. I can't, I'm not going to paint with that broader brush. But Jennifer Love Hew is not funny. She seems like a nice person.

Fair. She's whatever as an actress. Milakunis was very funny on a sitcom for many years. She's totally at home with Russell Brand, Jason Siegel, Jonah Hill, and Kristen Bell, who are all like big stars and comedy stars. And that's part of the reason why I think people are just, there's a universality to her appeal in addition to the fact that she's beautiful and she's a good actress and all the other things.

Christina Applegates another one. Very similar. So that makes bad moms so funny because they put all three of those people in a movie together. It was like they really put time, energy, thought into. And Catherine Hahn is the highest. Han is the same way. Who is the highest approver rating? Han is the same way.

All right. These seven actresses have the highest approver rating across the board. Let's put four of them in a movie. It's almost like Hollywood should do that more often. There's a reason that movie. That's like a cliche, woke thing to say, but it is true. It's like just put the best people in movies together. If they have chemistry, that movie's going to work. Did Milakounis have the right career?

So I think she's actually done more big stuff than I was able to remember before I looked at her filmography. Like she is one of the co-stars of Ted. That's one of the biggest comedies of the last 10 years. You know, she is. But I'm saying she's been, I would say, the most successful comedy actresses the last 12 years. If you look at her, the body work,

she did... Depends on how you feel about Jennifer Lawrence's acting, I think. She did two bad movies. I mean, two bad mom movies. Uh-huh.

She did, Ted, which made a crazy amount of money. She did friends with benefits, which also did really well. And then she did... And date night? Forgetting Sarah Marshall,

and she did date night. Pretty good. That's pretty good. Pretty good. And all those movies were successful. She also appeared in Black Swan. Yeah, I was just going to ask, how does her Black Swan performance age?

My question is, would you want to see her do maybe two less of those movies and a couple more weird black swan type movies? I think she tried. I mean, she's somebody like, when she goes off and does like Max Payne after this movie after Sarah Marshall. But I feel like that was like, I'm going to do a darker movie where I'm in like, you know, it's a genre. Remember that movie? What was that movie with Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick? Oh, a simple favor. Simple favor, yeah.

Yeah, like she, I wish she had one of those in her arsenal, like some black comedy. She's not dead. Yeah. I don't know. I think she got married to Ashton Cucer. She's kids. That sets it back a couple years usually. Maybe.

I mean, the bad mom's movies are only the last couple of years. I don't think Milikuz is going to have any problem. She just doesn't exist in our minds in the same way that like Julia Roberts does. She probably needs like a prestige TV show that she stars in. If you want to change your mind about her, like that's, probably the way that she's going to do it. Classic take from the host of the watch. So since mid-2000s,

what actress has had a better run that does comedy and just has made big market, big audience movies? Depends on how you're defining comedy. I mean, Hathaway going there? I think that's a good one.

Yeah. How many movies does Zane Hathaway made that were like big hits? Prada, Interstellar. Yeah, Le Miz. Yeah. Okay, that's good. The intern?

That's fair. She's made a lot of hit movies. How many hits is J-law had? A decent number. Silver Linings Playbook, American Hustle, The Hunger Games movies. I mean, the thing is, I guess my point is Milakunis has never mentioned with these people. She's just kind of over there on the side. And meanwhile, I think she's had a good career. Very few of these movies are, like, none of her movies are as big as the Hunger Games.

You know what I mean? That's like an international blockbuster. Maybe that was the mistake is maybe she should have done one spy franchise movie or something. Could she have been in a spy franchise? I don't know. Or could she have been... She was in one last year. It's called The Spy Who Dumped Me.

It's not that great. Right. Oh, I forgot about that one. That movie feels like it was basically made up as it was shot. You know what would have been nice for her? Fallout. Yeah. Throw her in there as just somebody.

I don't know. It depends on if you want her to kind of be the smoky, shadowy, femme fatale, or do you want her to be the likable, clever, in on the joke, you know, leading woman? I like her best in movies like forgetting Sarah Marshall. I'm a huge fan. And I'm a huge fan of Kristen Bell, too. So this movie, 85% of Rotten Tomatoes. Who cares?

105 million worldwide, 63 in North America. Two things stood out in the trotting on it. I guess three things stood out when they trotted out this movie that I remember specifically. One was that Apatow was officially a thing because he had a couple, he'd had had 40-year-old virgin, he had knocked up, and it had gotten to the point, and Super Bad. And it was like, he was at the point where it's like, he has a movie, I'm going. He's involved. That's great.

There was a big, like, Vanity Fair cover that was kind of like the Apatau era. And it featured his whole crew of people. This came out right. His way of doing things. Like, the whole thing you're talking about where it's like write the drama and we'll improv the comedy, like that permeates every one of these movies. So at the same time, he has this generation of people that he worked with on Freaks and geeks and underquared all these things.

Jason Segal was in that. We'd never really seen him in a movie, but he was in How I Met Your Mother, which was a really big movie. He was the draw of this movie. It wasn't Milakounis and it wasn't Kristen Bell. He's hilarious in some of the other Abatow stuff, though. He plays basically himself and knocked up. He's really funny.

Yeah. And Seth Rogen's in there and Jonah Hill, and it just felt like there was this little group, which Franco really wasn't in one of those first couple movies, right? Not until Pineapple Express. Yeah, yeah, it was later. But he was in Freaks and Geeks. So one thing you had the Apatow.

The second thing was a really, really shrewd billboard campaign. And I never noticed this stuff ever. And I don't know if in L.A. It's just more prevalent. I don't remember this. It was, I hate you Sarah Marshall or I hate Sarah Marshall or something. I didn't have a website too. Yeah, and there was a website.

But there were all these billboards that were going around town. It wasn't for the movie. It was just saying, I hate Sarah Marshall. It was like, what is this? And it almost seemed like a slam page or something and not a movie. And it was just effective. It was like, what is this? And then the third thing was the dick scene.

I mean, that became part of the publicity for it. It was like, this guy does full frontal in the first scene. And how you feel about that, it drove a lot of awareness of the movie. It's like, yeah, that dude from how I met your mother is like fucking naked in the first scene. I got to say, rewatching the movie, I was quite fearful. about having to talk about Jason Siegel's dick with you. Do you want to get it out of the way now? No, is Jason...

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Guy dating a famous actress. Kind of in the background is a celebrity appendage, boyfriend-based. the guy in Us Weekly in the mid-2000s were as a picture and it was like, and her boyfriend, and it was always like a composer or producer. It's like her boyfriend, the producer, Sean Fennessee,

and you never knew like, had any idea what he was producing. One thing we learned from Wedding Crashers, you can do so much in the first 15, 20 minutes of a comedy. Yeah. Like you can get so much of that crap done in an entertaining way. And Peter eating fruit loops out of a giant postable

and watching himself on entertainment tonight. Yeah. Blue is Access Hollywood. Access Hollywood. Billy Bush, right? And all the stuff you learn about the characters in just him sitting on the couch watching TV is kind of ingenious.

What was the show called crime? The crime scene? Crime scene colon, scene of the crime. Yeah. Yeah. Billy Baldwin. So it's funny that you say that because I thought of this last night.

I think if this were diehard and the movie opened with a, you know, news at 7, and you watch them just explain about how there's a terror attack, you'd be like, this is the laziest exposition set up ever.

But just by getting Billy Bush to talk about crime scene, scene of the crime in the way that they did, just makes it so much more effective, so much more clever. And that is the height of the Caruso. When you watch entertainment tonight,

you'll be like, it'll be like this person on Roswell or something and their boyfriend, who you've also not heard of and like see them getting Starbucks, and they're like, who knows what'll happen between us? And it's such bullshit,

but it really is effective. in this movie. Good premise. And then they break up and he goes to Hawaii and they're there. You can explain that premise in 10 seconds. Yes. Celebrity, boyfriend of a celebrity, they break up, he goes to Hawaii to forget her and she's there with the most annoying possible new boyfriend possible. Did you ever have a breakup and thought

I got to just go to Hawaii alone for five days? No. Never heard you, Chris? No. No. I have not been I've dumped my adult life, though. You've not been dumped in your adult life? Is that something you just said? Since high school. I mean, I mean, like, technically I was dumped in, I think, sixth and eighth grade.

Okay. And I've been rejected, obviously. It sounds like you've maybe been cataloging these incidents. Well, I mean, I'm just saying, like, there's a certain emotional distance I have from some of the content here. Chris is a dark gothic, Neil Diamond. That's what he's going for. He's not, though. He's truly not.

I like how proudly you wear that fact. I didn't say that. I didn't say I was proud. I feel like I'm missing out on a little bit of human experience. Sean's going to break up soon because in the last rewatchables, we had this quagmire where he said he was on a date in a movie, but it was a 2003 movie and it turned out. I may have accidentally deleted that episode from my wife's phone.

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I have six, but I think there's more. You might nominate a couple. First one, the breakup scene's rewatchable. It's just so... I wonder what you found rewatchable about it, Bill. I mean, it's rewatchable on TBS when you don't have to see Jason's Eagle naked down.

It's just good. It's weird. He's naked the whole time. Did they do like a... like what sound effect do they do? I guess they would put like a, they could put the blurkle over it. Yeah, that's right? I could do that.

And she dumps him and it's just a classic breakup scene. But then right after that, him at the club with Bill Hader. I'm nominated that one at well. Amazing scene. So funny. We don't hang out in places like this. Liz and I. Why'd you take me here?

This place smells like strippers perfume. I'm going to get herpes just from sitting on this couch. Bill Hater is incredible. in this movie. I actually think it's my favorite Bill Hader movie. Really? Of all his performances. Yeah.

Every moment he's in this movie, I'm in. I'm just all the way in. I love this guy. Next one for Rewatchable. I like when he Skype's Hater and his wife from Hawaii and she's not there. So he's there. No, no, I swear to God, she's not there. All that is really funny.

I like when he does the, I'm on the moon. Yeah. Look, I'm in Hawaii. The Dracula music song, the first time he plays it in Hawaii. You know, I could play something else. I just think out of context, this might be... Thank you. It's getting kind of hard to believe.

Things are going to get better. When Mila Kuhniz tells him to go play it, not realizing what it is, but that scene's tremendous. The double date that goes off the rails near the end, I have that one nominated, and then Jonah Hill going off on Russell Brand. he flips out. I guess that's connected.

So I guess you could team that up. What's missing? Anything? Every single thing Paul Rudd does? The first... So the first Paul Rudd? Okay. I'll add Paul Rudd.

When they bring Russell Brand back in, he's got the coral in his leg. He's just like... Kunu, can he call the front desk for me, please? Yeah. It really is. Kunu, call the front desk now. Okay, Monster Man. It's all good.

They're coming wiki-wiki. Can you get some towels? me please so I'm really losing a lot of blood you sound like you're from Landaan yeah I forgot oh you're right you're that guy who works for Kaiser

Permanente there's so much random shit that you can just tell that the that Stoler and probably Apatow and Paul Rudd were just kind of freelancing in real time and proving in this movie because everything that Coonoo says is

I get a huge kick out of I think also every cutaway to crime scene scene of the crime and everything Billy Baldwin's doing. I have that for what's the best because those scenes are so short. The Bateman one and the post credits. Just for you. Yeah. Who do you have Paul Rudd's character versus

Brian Fontana and Anchorman? For Best Rudd. The Brian Fantana Cologne scene is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. That's kind of how I feel too. The Sex Panther scene. I just watched it last weekend. I hadn't seen in a while. London gentlemen? They're posing them down like Sokwood

at the end of it. It's so good. When are we doing Anchorman? I don't know. Well, we're saving it. There's a couple we're saving that, you know, for the end of the world. Anchorman is weirdly the godfather of comedies. That is worthy of a two-hour podcast.

I actually was thinking as I was re-watching Anchorman this weekend that it might be the most re-watchable movie of all time and it's not the godfather. Wow. Well, we'll have to wait until we do that episode to make that official judgment. It's probably the godfather of comedies. It's the godfather of comedy. Every scene is like, lights out. It's, it, yeah, it holds up.

And the fact that there's, like, on YouTube, just, like, another movie worth of stuff. Oh, my God. Brian Fantan is also, like, the fifth most important character in that movie. I know. Same thing here. Kunu is, like, the ninth most important person. But every time he's there, I just, I get such a huge thing.

So what's the most rewatchable scene for you guys? I think there's, I have one more. Yeah, I do it. I like them. It's pretty short, but I like when Peter and Aldis meet on surfboards in the ocean. And they're talking. Let's do that with the getting back on the beach scene as ours. With the reef in the leg.

Yes. That whole segment is really, really good. Okay. How are you so cool? I like him. It's exactly what I was going for. For some reason I'm going with when he Skype's Hater and the wife for the first time. The first time, not the time when he makes her head go up and down.

No, no, no, the second time. When he's like, I don't know. I just love Hater. What's age the best? Great title? You know, I love to give credits to the great titles every once in a while. Forgetting Sarah Marshall is an awesome title. It explains the movie.

It's memorable. Somehow this movie, I feel like, gets a bunch of stuff under the wire that I feel like ordinarily would have gotten noted to death. Anything from male nudity, how much time he spends crying, is this guy likable enough? Is this guy's music good enough to make it seem like he's a tortured genius? Yeah. I leave that movie being like, no one's ever seeing this musical. Like, it's just going to be performed in some weird Los Felas. Playhouse.

And then also like even the title where it's like that title is really really like attention grabbing but you could see them essentially calling this movie the breakup, you know, like a couple of years before that. Or inside of you.

Wow. What's age the best? Turtle Bay. We talked about it. I got a lot of questions about Turtle Bay. Just make sure it's one of those movies where you're just like, let's go. I'd like to be there. Yeah.

Let's go. Let's go on. It's actually another... Can I throw in one of my... Another rewatchable scene that I have? What? Is the hike. Yeah.

When they go on the hike. Because first of all, it's hilarious for anybody who's ever unwillingly gone on a hike with someone. Yeah. And second of all, just his like leap off the cliff. Backwards.

Bill Hater, we mentioned him. I think he's aged fantastically. It's like a young Bill Hater. It's an early Bill Hater, but his career has obviously changed. We talked about Peter as a little.

a celebrity appendage boyfriend. I always just like that concept. One of my favorite ones was Ellen Pompeo's husband, Chris Ivory. I think that was named Chris. Chris Ivory running back for the Jacksonville Jaguars? Chris something.

But it was, she was in Us Weekly forever and this guy was always here like this. It's like, producer, Chris so-and-so. That would be incredible. And he became a celebrity. It's Ellen Pompeo and her New York Jets running back. Chris Ivory.

No, but it just became a cottage industry of just the person in the US Weekly photo next to the person. It is Chris. Ivory, by the way. Chris Ivory. There you go. The Chris Ivory.

It's a different. Differently, yeah. Another would stage the best for me, how good and terrible the do something song is, that it's just realistic enough that this could be a song with like him posting the things with different words on it. For some reason, Sodombe was one of the words. He's going through things he has to change. That is the genius part of the Excess Hollywood.

It is just closing the show also with a music video, which is something that Access Hollywood would do. Is now the time to talk about all the snow? No, no, yeah. And then the other two things that's aged the best for me are crime scene, scene of the crime and animal instincts. I love the crime scene scene and the crime stuff so much. It is my favorite part of the movie.

I wish there was like a hundred of them on YouTube that I could just watch on a loop. And also like the rejected Billy Baldwin ones. Playing the Seinfeld keyboards over the Seinfeld baseline over the crime scene stuff is like just the clear Caruso CSI Miami. and just, I wrote down what my favorite one was, oh, I think it's going to be hard for her to enter the pageant without a face. Can you say dixicle?

They should have been like 100. They should just kept filming them over and over again. It's really great. Shout to Billy Baldwin for being so game. And then Animal Space. Actually, Loki, one of the funniest moments of the movie is the engineer is like, come on, Peter, I got almond brother. They can't.

I'm not getting paid for today's session. Animal Instincts was also just stupid enough, but also just realistic enough that it can't be ruled out that that could have been a show. The CBS Drama Zoo happened like eight years later. It's not that far off.

Yeah. What else do you have for what's age the best? Anything? I think we talked about it earlier, but the cast, the salary cap cast is unreal. You know, the fact that they've got Jonah Hill

in like four scenes and Jack McBrayer and, you know. Yeah. That is crazy. That's a little... And wig and... a deleted scene. Yeah, that's right.

Oh, yeah, we're going to talk about that. So we'll go with that, the seller Capcast. It's pretty good. Yeah. What stage is the worst? I only really have that the movie does drag in the middle. It's probably about 15 minutes fat.

I think it's pretty obviously the McBrayer plot line because I just don't understand. Like, it's funny. It is definitely funny. Yeah. But you're like, so at the end of the day, why was this in the movie? Mm-hmm.

Right. And it's like 20 minutes. It's a detour. Yeah, but like you, I would love to have done detours with a bunch of, like, give me more hater or give me more, like, people who are working at the hotel or whatever, 10 more minutes of Jonah Hill. But the weird, like, let's have, like, graphic sex five times and, like, do all this, like, instructional stuff,

which doesn't have any bearing on Peter, really. I think there was a real need during starting, like, 0,304 all the way through the rest of a decade to make the R-rated accommodate to get your bang for the buck for the R. Yeah, they got that taken care of in the first. 10 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just think like the better decision would have been to cut all of that stuff out and put the Kristen Wig stuff in there. Right. I think because she's deleted scene with the yoga structure is like five minutes long. I would have rather had that. I think in the context of Apatow comedies though, it feels pretty lean. You know, that's the biggest criticism that those movies get that they're all 20 to 40 minutes too long. This one's under two hours. Even the extended unrated version is still under two hours. Yeah. It was two hours, though. It was like 118 minutes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But plus credits, you got five minutes. Like, it's not that bad. Is it a little bit fat? Yeah, but. It drags a little in the middle. I'm with Chris. Like, if you're going to drag, like, give me one more FaceTime scene with Hader just to break it up.

Felt like there was about 15 minutes in there. It was like, I get it. She's going to break up with Russell Brand. And then we're going to have a come-to-Jesus moment with her and Segal. But let's get there like a little bit faster. I don't really have any other. What's Age the Worst? I think this movie could be released now.

and I don't feel like I don't feel like I would have changed that much. Casting what ifs. You mentioned the Milakunis thing. How she auditioned for Knocked Up, lost the role, Catherine Hegel, but Appetal kind of filed her away

and then she got this one. Was Hathaway up for that role too? I don't remember. For the Catherine Hegel role? It raises the question, would Knocked Up have been better with Milakunis? No. I'm not a fan of Catherine Heigel.

I'm a big fan of Catherine Heigel and knocked up. I'm not, I don't, I'm not a fan. Whether Milakunis would have been the right replacement, I don't know. Like, I don't, no disrespect to the human being, Catherine Hegel. Like, I do not like to watch her on screen and movies on television, period. Catherine was also a classic fantasy. No disrespect to the human being. No disrespect to her.

I just, I'm just not into it. No respect to her torso, arms, legs, her head. But I don't like her acting. God bless her mother and her child. I just don't want to watch her. I think Knocked Up's better with Milakunis. It is interesting. What if?

Catherine Hegel's not funny. She's not. Milakunis is funny. The problem with Knocked Up is I never bought for a second that she would have ever been interested in Seferrogan. To me, like that's like being like the New Testament would be better with Bruce Willis. Like of course we could go back and like like engineer that. But this is a clear like they picked one over the other. Yeah.

I think so. But I think that Catherine Heigel works perfectly as like a specific kind of person in that movie. Yes. an annoying person. Yeah, I was ready for them to break up the whole time. The other casting, what if the role of Algeus Snow?

Algeus. Algeus Snow was actually written with Charlie Honum and mine. And he was in undeclared. He had some Apatow background there. Entirely got rewritten for Russell Brand. I would imagine it's not written at all. I would imagine Russell Brand just did that role.

I don't want to backtrack too much, but did Russell Brand age well? Russell Brand as a cultural American crossover phenomenon. Well, that did that age poorly, but I actually think this movie is kind of the peak of the Russell brand. And he's really good in it. And it's actually realistic that a lot of the other chances that people are professionally with him. He pretty much has this Gend to the Greek and Arthur, right?

Yeah. He's definitely a star, like in the movie. He's extremely memorable and he was kind of a breakout sensation of it. And he's like kind of, I'm going to say this. And I'm sure people are going to tweet at me. But he's like, the joke. Rogan of England right? Like he has like a YouTube podcast and he's like no

no I mean like I'm not saying it's not like the rogan army's coming like Judge me No I meant more like people saying I didn't get Russell Brand right I'm saying that that's what he does now a lot yeah and before this when he was a comedian in England he was always kind of a hot button person you know he was always he famously

had that crazy gaff on UK MTV after 9-11 Oh yeah that's right he was always a sort of a controversial person This was him lampooning a kind of I think a kind of Brit pop rock star that you and I really like and are interested in, and really taking it to the extreme and making them seem like such a ridiculous, pompous ass.

Doesn't he get you at the whole line in this movie where he's like Liam and Noel Gallagher had it off with my girlfriend, so I know where you're coming from. It's great stuff. The rewatchful as the back-to-back weeks has ended your marriage in Chris's life because the Joe Rogan people are not coming. No, I'm not saying it was a bad thing. Farewell, Chris.

Enjoy your time in the YouTube minds. You guys should see the YouTube comments under the flat circle. I'm ready for this. Deanne Waiters Award, tough one. Some people aren't eligible. Haters in it too much. Russell Brand's in it too much.

Is Jonah Hill in it too much to be eligible? I think the fact that he gets his own movie after this either says he should win it or he shouldn't win it. Like it's either it breaks the rules because this character then went on to get a whole movie or we should say that's proof that he should win it. Jack McBarre William Baldwin

or either of the big guys Neither of the big guys Neither of his names I know I think it's Jonah I think he's not in it too much and he's thrown heat

every time I really like him in this movie I think he's funny I like what he does the English accent I like when he gets mad I like when he takes Jason Siegel's plate

even though he just started eating and gets pissed off about it He says okay I'll just go fuck myself thing That's amazing. So you don't think it's Rudd?

So he'd be the other kidday. I think it's pretty hot. I mean, I think Rudd's in like two seats. Pretty much bats a thousand in this movie. Jonah Hill's in it. He might be in it one scene too much to be eligible. He might. Everything I think, every line.

It's red. It's got to be red. When Rudd is like, come on out. Oh, the weather outside is weather. All right. We'll give it to Red. Half-ass internet research. This film is based on scriptwriter Jason Segal's experience.

Breaking up with Linda Cardalini. Yeah, I knew we were going to get to this. As well as three other breakups with unspecified women. The naked breakup did not involve Cardalini. But he did say one girlfriend broke up with him while he was completely naked. Rather than being devastated, he thought to himself, this is hilarious. I cannot wait for her to leave so I can write this down.

There you go. Get him to the Greek, the spinoff follow-up two years later. Nicholas Stowe or director Apatow Russell Brand Joni Hill I haven't seen it in a long time I don't have the same relationship I think I've just seen it the one time

like forgetting sorry Marshall I feel like I must have seen at least 10 or 15 times by now I never never We had a couple of people that you guys should do get them to the Greek as a rewatchable I just haven't re-seen it I remember liking it when I saw it

Craig Yeah that movie stuck with our generation It did Our generation Craig just became the spokesman for a generation Gen Z He's like Bob Dylan of Gen Z He's like Bob Dylan of Gen Z

I didn't think it was that good but I'm willing to give another chance. Jon Hill plays a different character. He doesn't play the guy from this one. Oh, he doesn't. I actually think it would have been funny if he played the same character who has now moved to L.A. That's what I thought happened.

Yeah, that's not what I know. He plays like a newly hired ANR for a record label. For Diddy, right? For Diddy, yeah. He's got to get Alas of Snow to the tour dates over the series of, you know, one 24-hour period and becomes a close friend of his and they get fucked up.

And he's trying to get over his, is he trying to maintain his relationship with Elizabeth Moss? Remember this? Elizabeth Moss is a big part of the movie I'll tell you one thing the Simmons kids love the babysitter with Jonah Hill Oh that's a great movie That movie's good

That movie's like legitimate sound I like Jonah Hill is like God I like Jonah Hill Quite a filmography It's pretty amazing Good job by him The song Inside of You Was Thought Up by Segal

After he wanted to create quote The worst song that your girlfriend's new boyfriend Can Sing in front of you It's really good It's very funny Also, Russell Brand's performance of it in Hawaii on stage and he's sort of like bending over and doing yoga poses is incredible.

Inside of you! Inside of you! I got to look out for the video team. They need gifts of us. The naked picture of Milakunis in the bathroom created on a computer wasn't real. Yeah, there you go. How many times have you Googled that information? It was in my information.

In your notes? Okay. What's weird is they were very... Did you get a team of researchers out on that? They were very deliberate about in anything written about this movie, getting that out that that's not actually hurt. Right. Real dick, fake breasts.

Yes. Okay. The film features a great deal of improvised dialogue. 60 to 70% scripted 30 to 40% improv, according to Nicholas Stoller. They were reunited as screenwriters for the Muppets in 2011, Siegel and Stoller. Siegel's Dream Project. And then they did a five-year engagement after this.

right? The waiter who, from the buffet who then punches Jason Siegel later. You know who this is? Yeah. Kalani Rob. Kalani Rob, surfer from Romeroom generation. Unreal. Yeah. I definitely didn't know that when I first saw it. I didn't know it either. I watched it. I was like,

is that Kalani? Same reaction. And then he seemed taller in the movie then I think he is. I don't know how they pulled that up. But he is so memorable in that movie because he brings him the second rum bottle and you're like, like, I does seem cool. You know, Jason Seagel's reaction. reaction to him. How was he cast in this? How did that even happen? He's probably just hanging out. Just hanging out in Hawaii, surfing?

All right, it's time to talk about Jason Siegel's dick. Oh, boy. You want to do an air horn? It's going to be quick. It's going to be quick. I'm just going to get through this. So the director, Nicola Stoller, gave an interview and talked about how there was a little self-fluffing before the scene with Segal. He said, and I quote, I'm just going to read the quotes. I'm glad you're getting to this. This is great, because Sean might actually melt into his seat.

Jason wanted to make sure his penis wasn't too small because it was cold in the studio but it was a fine line because having an erection while getting dumped wouldn't really read as truthful. So he would be backstage with materials provided him by the prop master and then would yell, I'm ready, I'm ready and we'd come running out and we'd shoot. I don't know if hard is the right word for it,

more like a semi-chub. He didn't feel like he got to that place. To me it always looked like a totally normal penis but then again, I wasn't the one showing it. I don't want to keep talking about this. You're just going to read that and then we're not going to talk about it at all. Our job is to get information about the movie to our listeners. That's not our job.

Nobody comes to this podcast for that. To learn about this movie. They literally came to this podcast to listen to one of the most renowned podcasters in history. Talk about Jason Seagull's dick. Self-fluffing. No, it was self-fluffing. All I could think about when you were talking was my parents working really hard to put me through college. Yeah, definitely.

So I could get to this stage of my life where my boss uses the phrase semi-chub on this movie podcast. I was just reading a quote. So there you go. I guarantee the audience was interested.

Apex Mountain. You guarantee the audience of the watchables? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Sure. Apex Mountain, Jason Seagull's dick. I highly doubt it.

Apparently, it's not the apex. Yeah, apparently it has more to grow. Listen, it was cold in the studio. One of the great little mini lines, And I don't know if this is only in the unrated version or not is when Russell Brands starts singing on stage and Jonah Hill's character turns to Siegel and says, It's went from 6 to midnight.

Teach me. I bet you also, that seems suspiciously like Seagull saying, like, they ask you about my dick. Say that's not as big as it gets. Right. You know, it's like pretty, pretty, like, you know, you're doing your guy a favor there. It's cold in the studio.

Sure. Apex Mountain, Siegel's dick, no question. Siegel, I think he's on How I Met Your Mother, and then he's the writer and star of a movie. It's not getting any better for him than right here. I wanted to talk to you guys about him a little bit, just in general, because I don't think his career really went in the direction that I thought I was going to go.

I think he had some issues. No, I actually think that this is his lane, though. Like, this is what... But I thought he was going to be like an Albert Brooks type. This movie reminds me a lot of modern romance. If you never see Modern Romance, I think it's Albrook's second movie. and it's this like creation of a persona that is loosely based on him. It is very much about like the relationship that men and women have.

It's kind of goofy, but it's kind of sincere. It's really well made. And I thought that he was going to take this on a little bit more, these sort of like crypto autobiographical broad comedies. And he didn't really do that. No, I mean, so I think. I don't even think he wrote another movie after the Muppets. I'm looking.

He did. I mean, he worked on five-year engagement, and he also did sex tape with Cameron Diaz. He didn't write that, though. He did. He did right that? He co-wrote it, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

It was five years ago. I mean, he hasn't really done a lot of stuff. I mean, he did the end of the tour. He did the end of the tour, and he played David Foster Wallace, and that was a big part, but that's 2015. He was in this is 40, but not really for a scene. Five-year engagement. The Muppets. Very funny, and this is the end.

Bad teacher. He's hilarious, yeah. I think he's had some issues, though. I think that was part. of the problem. I have no idea. I think, yeah.

Yeah. He was also on how I met your mother for like 10 years. Well, that's the thing is I think he's probably got a lot of money.

I just mean also like that will slow down your like film career if you have to spend seven months of the year on a CBS show. It is.

It always is weird to me when somebody writes a really good movie and then doesn't keep doing it because you could say the same thing about Affleck and Damon. Like it's just weird

that they never wrote a movie together after Goodwant They spent all this time in this movie and it was great. And then they just never got back together. I guess sometimes you make too much money. I don't know if something's happened with him. I know that in interviews,

he's always struck me as a really thoughtful and interesting guy who's pretty reflective about his place in the Hollywood landscape and what his career has been like. Also famously a successful high school basketball player at Harvard Westlake. He was a teammate of Jason Collins. His character on How I Met Your Mother goes by the nickname White Chocolate. That's his basketball player. And his real nickname in high school.

was Dr. Dunk. Oh, yeah. I love Jason Segal, and I hope, I want a second act. Yeah, me too. Write something. Apex Mountain,

other than that, nobody really, Milakounis, I think, did even bigger and better things after this. Kristen Bell obviously did. All the bit characters did.

Billy Baldwin? It's either back draft this movie. Sliver. Sliver. What about Turtle, Turtle Bay? I have,

can we, can we pick minutes because I have a Turtle Bay thing. We're almost there, hold on. The Joey Pants Award. Steve Landisberg is in this movie. Former cast member Barney Miller, he plays the doctor.

It's got a guy. Oh, yeah. Great that guy. I mean, I know I'm a Steve Landisberg, but he's really that guy as well. So I'm giving it to that. Treo Bouchemey or Michael K. Williams. I can see Treo in one of the bars there. I could have been, yeah.

Could have been like working for the hotel. We should remix this category soon. I feel like we do. It's getting stale. Should we get rid of it? I would be curious to know if the listeners have a suggestion of either who we should replace these guys with

or if there is another category we should introduce. How about... I'm getting rid of it. It's done. It was the last one. How about the new categories? Which guys should have shown their dick in this movie? Yeah, right. How come we did not see McBrayer? The Jason Segal semi-fuff board? Why not share your semi-chub, you coward?

Saul Rubenick, they knew. for overacting? I think it's Siegel. That's good. Have we ever had that? Have we ever had the star? The star of the movie also be the overactor?

I think he's definitely the one who's playing it the most emotionally and he's like crying and he's naked and he's just going for it and doing the most. I was going to go Jack McBrugh. McBrayer and Maria Thayer

as the couple are really they really doubt it up to. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I'd vote for them. Siegel's good though. There are definitely scenes of Siegel crying while watching TV

that's like very, broad sitcom comedy. Pickin'nits. Yes. My biggest one is, wouldn't Peter have known that the crime show got canceled since he was one of the

since he wrote music for it? What is this? What year does this come out? Oh, wait. So, I mean, like, you're using your cell phone a fair amount, but I could see it not happening. All right, what do you have for picking nits?

Does Rachel have the authority to give him that suite? The Kapu's sweet? No, no way. And that's the thing that really bothered me. She gets fired within 10 minutes. It doesn't seem like there's a lot going on at Turtle Bay. She's like, I can just cut out and go on a hike with you.

You know, like we're fraternizing with the guests. I can give you the Oprah suite, the $6,000 a night suite. And all you do is clean up after yourself. Yeah. Yeah, what was that? I'm just like, so can I start to trying this out at hotels? It's like I, you know, hey, I don't have a reservation, but I know you must have this amazing suite that you only save for like Megan Allison.

But, you know, and I'll clean up after myself. And you just have to get embarrassed by your ex in front of the reception. Well, I could stage that. I could stage that easy. You sound like a sociopath. No, I'm saying if it means a $6,000 a night thing, I have my wife be like, we're getting a divorce. And I'm like, oh, no. Listen, Sean's a much more realistic candidate to get divorced after last week.

I think we should use him the analogy. That 2003 date. Fantasy is walking up to the reception desk. His wife listens to that podcast and is like, what fucking date? Yeah. walks out, she's like, Ma, nice and turtle bed. I feel terrible for you.

You got to take this Oprah Suite and then you just sneak your wife back in there. It's the fact that Sarah Marshall is a famous person and then he is dumped and humiliated by her in favor of out of snow. I just feel like I've had experiences at hotels where it's like I have to fill out a form to get a toothpaste and she's just like,

take the suite. And she's not the manager of the hotel. These are great points. You're right. Let's cancel this movie. These are great points. What's the point of this category? It's a leap of faith. It's a leap of faith.

Yeah. I guess it never occurred to me. Maybe you're right. Maybe that is ridiculous. I'd never heard of the just live there and clean up after yourself and it's cool and nobody will ever want to be in this sweet. It's also an interesting bit because she could have just been like, yeah, we do have a room. Like that doesn't really change anything that much.

It's just that he gets this dope sweet. I have one more nitpick. How famous is Russell Brand's musician supposed to be? Like, he's famous enough that he closes Access Hollywood and he's writing. anthem of his generation. He's like the male wine house, I think. He's not going on vacation alone. Like, he's pretty much an A-list celebrity.

He's at least, no musician. He's the first musician ever who has no entourage, basically, which is completely unrealistic. Oh, and so it's kind of weird that, like, he would have had three people with him, he would add a bodyguard. He's just like, he was way too normal to be a famous person. Well, the person that he reminds me of a little bit is like Richard Ashcroft.

Sure. You know, from the verve. And if Richard Ashcroft walked into a Hawaii bar grill 10 years after Better Street since then? He's saying like if Richard Ashcroft was on

entertainment tonight. For the last five minutes to access Hollywood and they presented it like he was this major star like his new anthem for a generation. It's like Adam Levine meets William Gallagher, basically. That's what he's presented it. So if Adam Levine's at Turtle Bay, he's not by himself and he's not just showing up.

Yeah, he probably rents the whole. resort out of himself. They've got like a normal room with another room on the other side of the wall, but Siegel gets the suite. It's crazy. That doesn't happen. Yeah, he, first of all, they should probably just delete this movie from Sling. We've unwound it. Here's the other problem. He then says how he's going on a year and a half long concert tour and all these different countries. So he's obviously very successful. But not successful enough to get the $6,000 suite. It's entirely possible that that was like improvised on in the moment. So it's not accurate to like what tour logistics are.

This goes back to how I think we should open a consulting firm for questions like this when they make movies. Any moment where they've decided to play basketball in a movie, bring you in just to consult? I should be the sport. Yeah, when it's the 100-yard football field with no end zones and stuff like that. I just want to be, it's trying to be consistent. The boxing reading that's too small. The football last minute drive where somehow they're going backwards on the last drive

I've been there at the 40, and now they're at the 30, but they should have been at the... Yeah. I don't know if this is a nitpick, but I feel like there's a real snake move by Sarah Marshall just going to Hawaii so quickly after the breakup. Well, she'd been dating the guy for a year, though. I know, but even still, there's... I don't know. There's an interesting moment.

I would be curious to know from the people who wrote the movie, I guess, but it's the only people who could answer it. There's a moment where he's like, you should go in... Hater says to me, like, you should go on vacation by yourself. You should just go, and he's like, I've always wanted to go to Hawaii, and he's like, don't go to Hawaii. and I think it's the implication that like Hater knows she's going to Hawaii. I don't know.

How would he know that? I think he just thought it was weird. My only other nitpick is at the very end, they do the call back to him being naked again and Milakunis goes back in. Why is he completely naked in his own dressing room? Who gets, I don't like being naked ever. My, I, so, uh, wow. Oh, my God.

I'm just like, who likes being naked? Why are you naked in your dressing room that's not even locked? What are you doing? Who does that? For somebody, making it like the gym? I can't believe how many conversations I've had about the human anatomy with Bill in the last two weeks. I think that there's a reason for this.

Okay. He's wearing a Unitar. And I don't think he's wearing any underwear. I think he's just taken the Unitard, which is a single piece of clothing off entirely. And then he gets on the phone. So he's like comfortable in his own body. And I would be, did Stoller say anything about Jason Seagull's prep for that shot?

He didn't. I didn't get the info on that one. Best quote. Bill, how many times have you? screenshot of this movie while watching it on your computer. Just be honest. You're like Dr. Skin for Jason's sequel.

First of all, it's Mr. Skin. Mr. Skin. Your site is called. What's the site that they start in Knocked Up? I'm not hearing it and talk about it. They start the site and then like somebody one day is like, yeah, it's like Mr. Skin and they're like, oh shit. That's, was that knocked up or was that?

Yeah, it's knocked up. Remember it's like that's their startup that they're out? Yeah. Best quote. I think it's going to be hard for. enter the pageant without a face. This killed me when they're talking in initials at the club and he's like...

You don't need to put your P in a B right now. No, I don't. I need to be my L on somebody's T's. That's disgusting. I laughed so hard last night when he said that. That's so funny. They understand what they're saying. They're just using God put our mouse on our heads for a reason.

You got to stop talking. about it. It's like the Sopranos. It's over. Find a new show. That was good and topical. I like when he decides he's not going to have sex there and he's like, maybe the problem is that you broke my heart into a million pieces and my cock doesn't want to be around you anymore, okay? Because you know what I realize? You're the goddamn devil! I think that's the winner. No, this is the winner. This is my favorite line. Matumbo, out of the shot. You look so hot Give me crime scene girl Andre the Giant out of the shot please

Mutombo out of the shot Come on! So good Also you've got crates between your thighs But with a shorter beard Definitely add Nobody's good enough to write that Are those sad tissues

Are those sad tissues And then he turned out a blowjob From his ex-girlfriend mid-blow job You know how hard that is for a man it's called blue balls. He's like Gandhi, but better he likes puppets. Just classic.

Who was that guy? What was that guy's name? It's the big guy? Yeah, I like that guy. All right. What was the best quote? Matumbo. I like the Matumbo line.

Matumbo out of the shot. Could this be remade? Devon McDonald. I still want to ride for Kuhn who thinking Peter is a guy who worked at Kaiser Permanente. Hey, man. I'm Pinia. Yeah, no, I remember I'm Peter. We took a surflist together.

Oh, yeah, you're that guy that was with Kaiser Permanente. No, I'm Peter. We had a nice talk out in the water. Oh, that's cool. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix series? No. No. It's good as a movie.

Probably unanswerable questions. Was Dracula the musical a good idea? I kind of feel like it was. I think that's like one of my favorite parts about this movie. idea. So isn't the origin, the origin, origin of this that he wanted to make that movie, that that was the movie idea that he had to do Dracula the musical as a puppet musical? And Judd Apatow was like, that's not a movie.

That's a funny part in your movie. Yeah. I didn't know that. Maybe. I believe that's what happened. I mean, this is essentially like him just like putting the secret out there that he wants to be the Muppets guy. I mean, it worked out that way for sure.

Right. Although in the same movie, I mean, he wanted to be the Muppet's guy, but he also wanted to show his dick in the movie. So, Dracula of the puppet musical. I don't know. I think that could have a chance. I think the funniest part, one of the low-key funniest parts about this is like Peter might not be, like,

it's not like he's Mozart. It's just like, this is a really weird bad idea. Yeah. Most significant others would be like, hey man, like I want to support you, but I don't get this.

Yeah. But I do. There are definitely parts of Peter Breeder that I really relate to. Like if you are of a certain age, and you are into Stephen Sondheim and the, Muppets and also want to work in Hollywood. That's the kind of shit that you come up with. Sure.

And being like, when he says, you remind me of a dark gothic Neil Diamond. And he's like, that's exactly what I'm going for. The super in Big Lobowski. He was like, do you want to come to my interpretive dance? It's closer to that to me. Yeah, everybody in L.A. has their weird idea. But also, sometimes the weirdest ideas are the ideas that get really

successful. Did he, did they stay together? Rachel and Peter? I don't think. No, I think she's back in Hawaii within like three months. Or her ex-boyfriend shows up in L.A. and murders both of them. It's a bad ending.

And then Animal Instincts investigates the murder. Yeah, how many seasons did Animal Instincts run? Oh, like four and a half. Yeah. It's pretty good. Yeah. Not enough to get the residuals though. I think it's on NBC for three years and then Fox

gets canceled and Foxx. Fox picks it out. Runs it for one more year. Who won the movie? It has to be Jason Segal. I think it's Segal, although I think Coonis has like a nice shot there. She's really good.

I think Segal wins it because he also wrote it, I think pushes it over the top. But I really want to give it to Coonis because I feel like from this moment on she just becomes a star. And she's my favorite part of the movie. Is she? Yeah. I like her character. More than the dick, you'd say.

Dick's not in the top 10. Maybe not top 50. No, I just, I like her character. I think it's really, that was kind of a nothing part, and she made it really fun. And, you know, it's like the classic movies like this where they, Kristen Bell's part, I thought, was really kind of developed. Like, name five things about Milakunis in this movie. Like, from the way her character is written, like, she had a bad relationship with her boyfriend. Dropped out of college.

Dropped out of college. Works at a hotel. Works at a hotel. That's really all we know about her by the end of the movie. And I still really like her. I'm like, you got to stay. Like, we know nothing. Yeah.

So it's a good job by her. You think Segal one? I think Segal one because of the writing part of it. Because I think that the movie itself, which is like just like everything that's kind of makes this movie super unique and weird and thus somewhat like makes you keep coming back is like it's permeated by like his weird personality and his interests and his vulnerability, which is like something pretty significant because I think by doing this movie it kind of like it changes the way in which he's viewed going forward and it's not necessarily like. going to be like, you can't be like an action star after you do this kind of movie usually. It's true. So with more than 10 years removed

from, especially that crazy Apatatow moment, because, you know, Appetatow, it's funny. Like, he has done this with so many people. You know, he did it with Seth Rogen. He did it with Jason. He did it with Jonah. He did it with Lena Dunham. He's doing it with Pete Holmes right now. He's done it with so many people where he... He's doing it with Pete Davidson now. Yeah. With Pete Davidson, right.

He's next. Obviously, he finds these incredibly creative people who don't totally know how to form formulate their persona and what position to put them in to succeed. And he does a great job of it. But at this time, he was a major, major movie producer. And all of his movies were hits. That's a little harder to accomplish in studio comedies now.

But with 10 years to look back on what they did, where does this one sit in that Apatow moment? It's a really good question. I was thinking about this, like, whether I, like, do I like this is the end more? you know, which I think is probably my my favorite one of those to watch. But that's so fascinating because I almost feel like in a weird way we've passed the moment where he could do this anymore. Because all the, they basically like Hollywood took the

high concept, easy to explain part of these movies and made it bad moms or game night or these like movies that are just like I can, it's like, there's something about like everyday life, but we'll put a twist on it and then we'll have people. There's more high concept. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

And I think that that's the time where he could be like, it's going to be about 2, 220, and we're just going to kind of live with people and soak in it. That seems to be over. I think he's really good at taking people who are a little bit odd or different, not traditional leading people and then making them seem like they're leading people, which it actually seems like it's an obsession of his to some degree. Definitely. And like Segal, he's just like really tall.

You know, he's like this big doofus. and he uses that in this movie to his advantage, like his size, like from that metambo line all the way through. But like Pete Davidson's a really good example of that. Like he's just weird looking at a really kind of not in a bad way, but he's just different. Yeah, but he's magnetic in a way. Everything about him is just kind of like,

I don't even know who you would compare him to. And Apatow sees people like that, and his instinct is I want to make a movie with them. Would you say forgetting Sarah Marshall is your favorite of these movies from this time? No. But I like it a lot. I think it's in the running for Best Romcom of the last 12 years

because I think it is a rom-com. Yeah. So if you're looking at under that lens, it's certainly like the one that brings the most to the table. It is a very sort of male-per-view rom-com. You know, a lot of the jokes, a lot of Dick Humor, a lot of the Jonah Hill and Paul Rudd stuff,

even the Jack McBrayer stuff. Like, it doesn't have the same tonal that a Nora Ephron movie does, but it is ultimately a romantic comedy about two people finding each other. What's end with producer Craig explaining to us why this is his favorite movie the last 12 years?

I just think every single part of it, it's just a movie of like 10 really good scenes. I wish you guys, I think the best scene is when he's like just a montage of him being a bum at his house and like him in the same sweatpants for five straight days and like singing that sad piano song about having to go to a psychiatrist.

Peter, you suck, write some music, but instead you sit and write these bullshit songs. It's so self-loathing. Go see a psychiatrist. I hate the psychiatrist. We'll go see one anyway. I don't like the psychiatrist. You need to go see one. See a psychiatrist.

I'm not going. I just love it. Is that what you're like before you come in to record us? Exactly, yeah. That's what I'm doing downstairs. How many times have you imitated Gandalf in your own home? Countless. Kand off.

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