The Rewatchables - ‘Forrest Gump’ Live From D.C. With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

Live from a park bench, The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin rewatch the 1994 classic ‘Forrest Gump,’ starring Tom Hanks, Robin Wright, and Gary Sinise. Prod...ucer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:12 Wow, is this fun. Wow, was Mallory on one. This is just a rollicking affair. We had such a good time. Thanks to everybody who came out in D.C. for the cold weather tour. Here it is. Forrest Gump. Paramount Pictures presents.
Starting point is 00:02:29 My name's Forrest Gump. People call me Forrest Gump. The story of a man. Are you stupid or something? Stupid is a stupid does, sir. Who was good at just one thing? Life. I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Forrest Gump, rated PG-13, starts Wednesday, July 6 at theaters everywhere. You crazy have efforts. Jesus. Waiting outside in the car. cold. Over there is Chris Ryan. She has family in attendance. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:43 The mother of dragons. The one the only Sean Fennessee. My name is Bill Simmons. We have three children of divorce up here and Chris Ryan. We should have done Kramer versus Kramer or marriage story. Would that have been good?
Starting point is 00:04:11 That's the encore. Marriage story? We'll do that maybe later. Encore. We're here to talk Forrest Gump. Classic DC movie? You all feel like this is a DC movie? We kind of cheated.
Starting point is 00:04:27 This movie is about America. It's America. We're going to relocate to Tuscaloosa at intermission. This movie came out in 1994, and there was a backlash, then there was a front lash. I think we're like mid-lash now. Sean, complicated relationship with this movie. You're like me.
Starting point is 00:04:50 deep down you love it I do you and I we have talked about this movie before and you're still getting over it I'm coping for those of you for that episode it complicated for a variety of reasons right
Starting point is 00:05:03 really exciting bold movie from a great filmmaker but also came out the same year as like the movie that changed my life Pulp Fiction was the movie that changed everything for me but also I watched Forrest Gump on a plane this week and I was just bawling the whole time
Starting point is 00:05:18 I cried like five times I this movie just touches me CR I think that this is the weirdest biggest movie ever made like I think that there's a world in which this movie is the room you know it's like
Starting point is 00:05:32 the scion of the KKK becomes an SEC kick returner and and then invests in Apple Matt what's your relationship with this movie because you love a good cry Love a good cry I watched this movie with my mom
Starting point is 00:05:52 who you'll be able to hear screaming throughout the evening that's her first came out and then many times I would say it was a mainstay in our household you know I love the American myth
Starting point is 00:06:06 I love college football I love joining some of my closest friends and colleagues on stage in front of 850 people to talk about young forests prematurely ejaculating into Jenny's
Starting point is 00:06:18 Don't step on my corner I have a whole bit Come on. Getting a blanket and everything. We're going to really do this. I hope you guys like this kind of humor because it's all that anyone has prepared tonight. Premier Magazine in 1994,
Starting point is 00:06:33 of which I have a copy of described this movie when it was coming out as a combination of being there meets zealic in terms of endearment with a touch of world according to garp. It's kind of accurate. Sounds amazing. So we'll walk you through what happened because I'm actually old enough to remember this.
Starting point is 00:06:51 This movie comes out and it becomes an absolute phenomenon. It's huge. But it's the same year as Pulp Fiction. And then it's the same year as Shawshank, which kind of creeps up and becomes this movie that everyone's like, hey man, I saw Shawshank, that movie changed my life. And it was kind of word of mouth. And by the time we got to the Oscars, Forrest Gump was favored to win everything. And people were like, fuck that movie.
Starting point is 00:07:14 And that was the next 10 years of Forrest Gump, Sean. Yeah, I think because it was framed as a movie made. by and four baby boomers. And it's the world, it's America in the second half of the 20th century has seen through the eyes of people who were young when these events were happening, as opposed to, if you were like me and you were
Starting point is 00:07:33 12, and you were like, I need to see a man stab Uma Tharman in the heart with a syringe. That is America to meet. Pulp Fiction on the rewatch. Do you remember the backlash, Chris? Yeah, because Pulp Fiction was cool, and this was for squares, and this was like a
Starting point is 00:07:48 double-disc, Motown, Boom. Cuma Cathedral soundtrack and Pulp Fiction was like all these incredible songs nobody had really heard before But at the same time over the course of time when you get out of the context of it versus Shawshank or it versus Pulp Fiction I think it does it does take on a life of its own I remember by like 1998 after I'd watched Shawshank and watched Andy and Red hug enough times I really hated Forrest Gump yeah I was like how did this movie not win this is the most important movie ever made and Pulp Fiction's probably second right around 2004 10 year anniversary
Starting point is 00:08:24 the internet has arrived at that point and the internet basically exists for people to just get furious of Forrest Gump won all these awards over over Pope picture in Shawshank and I think that was the peak of the backlash and then something weird happens from that point on
Starting point is 00:08:40 it was on a lot and it's like you know what this movie's really good and then by 2014 it's like god damn why did Jenny have to die and then by 2020 you're like oh man this is a great one Jenny just loved a party hell
Starting point is 00:08:56 wow who had five minutes for the first Romo impression from Chris yeah she's coming back Jim but I think we're I think we're now in the zone
Starting point is 00:09:11 of this movie's back 30 years later it's the 30 year anniversary this year I love this movie I think it's for the same reason that the movie worked in the place, which is that I'm sentimental about watching Forrest Gump 30 years ago. And the movie is about being sentimental about being 18 or 25 or the first time you prematurely
Starting point is 00:09:30 ejaculate in front of a woman. These are critical moments in a person's life. And I view Forrest Gump the same way. Hanks. He has this run from 92 to 2000. League of the Rhone, Sleepless in Seattle, Philadelphia, Forrest Gump, Apollo 13. Up and Comer 7? Not a lot of people realized he was in that?
Starting point is 00:09:49 It was a porn movie. Oh wait, my notes are wrong. Toy Story, that thing you do, saving prevar out, you've got mail Toy Story to the Green Mountain Castaway, and yet Sean thinks Tom Cruise had a better career. No.
Starting point is 00:10:05 No, that isn't what I said. What I said and what Chris backed me up on, and if you let me dangle here, you're fucked later. Is, I think Tom Cruise is the superlative movie star. I still agree with this. You agree with this, CR? Yeah, I agree with it at the time. Fucking traitor.
Starting point is 00:10:23 You guys were just locked in your, like, you're the dragon fight when I was happening. I was like, yeah, Sean's right. Mao, you get a tie-breaking vote. Harrison Ford. So, Hanks, this is, I'm going to say the peak of, I'm going to play a character with something wrong with him and potentially win the Oscar,
Starting point is 00:10:43 which was one of the reasons we had the backlash. This starts, Daniel Day Lewis, my left foot, and Hoffman, Rain Man. Two really good movies. Mm-hmm. Hanks and Gump, it starts to go sideways with Jody Foster in Nell. Not sure if you guys have seen that movie. It's an atrocity.
Starting point is 00:11:05 She grew up in the woods and has her own woods language. Yeah. It's really bad. Isn't Liam Mason the doctor in that? He's like trying to coax her into society. Yeah, I wish she had killed her. Mallory. Will you do the rest of this pod in the Nell language?
Starting point is 00:11:20 In the Nell voice? Val Kilmer. at first sight, blind guy regains his sight and then loses it again. But doesn't lose the girl he loves. Mir Sorvino, that's bad. Sean Penn and I am Sam. This is when the wheels
Starting point is 00:11:35 really came off, leading to Tropic Thunder, Ben Stelleras, special Jack. And then we were done. That was it. Until Emma Stone and poor things. But Hank wins the Oscar over
Starting point is 00:11:51 Morgan Freeman. How do we feel about this, Mal? This is the most iconic performance of his career, right? Are you going to ride for Castaway? So you're saying you're redoing the Oscars 30 years later. We just get to reset button it. I don't think it's an indefensible or all that controversial win. Like, it's fine, right?
Starting point is 00:12:18 Sean, hosted the big picture, doing a post-Oskers podcast on March 11. Could you imagine that episode? Are you apprlecting if this happens? Are you just losing it if this happens? Yeah, we just can't see. Tarantino not getting best directors, I think much more declaring. I never really thought that was unworthy. You think just because he had just previously
Starting point is 00:12:36 won for Philadelphia that they didn't need to give him a second one? Have you guys seen Tom Hanks and Forrest Gump? The movie would be about it. That's where I landed as well. Tom Hanks is amazing in Forrest Gump. I thought Freeman's amazing in Shawshank. It's just one of those years.
Starting point is 00:12:52 What were the other nominees that year? I have this, actually. Travolta. Well, your guy, Nigel Horthorn and Madison, King George. I had a poster of him on my wall in ice cream. Just big nige, just hanging out, yeah. Paul Newman and Nobody's Fool, a Sean favorite, and then John Gibraltarveton, Pope Fiction. I think Hanks was amazing in this movie.
Starting point is 00:13:14 I mean, he's the best part of this movie. So I'm okay with it. Yeah, I mean, he is literally the only part of this movie. Okay. What about Fair Bryant? That's true. Now, where do you stand on movies that stay with one character over a long period of time, and who would play you in the Mallor Rubin over a long period of time movie?
Starting point is 00:13:35 Oh, I mean, somebody who had a lot of gray hair at 32. That's going to be one of the prerequisites, I think. I love following a character across the course of their life. I'm looking forward to the Boyhood podcast that we get to do one day. wonderful film, delightful. It's inextricable, right, from the overall structure of the film, which is like you're telling the story of American history through the story of this person's life.
Starting point is 00:14:02 It is like every other aspect of the film, the genius and the absolute befuddlement entwined inextricably because, like, Sally Field is playing Tom Hanks' mother and is 10 years older than him, and that doesn't make any sense. And also Tom Hanks looks the exact same age over, over literal decades of this way. They made John Lennon's mouth move on the Big Cavett show, but didn't think, like, what if we added a little gray around the temples?
Starting point is 00:14:34 Right. I always saw it. So, like, one of the things that... I think the reason why the movie ultimately works, though, is because they're making this movie from his perspective, right? Like, they're essentially making a movie that has, like, a childlike innocence to it, like this has been discussed in many of the 30th anniversary pieces you were referring to, but like this idea that when he goes to New York, all he sees are taxi cabs.
Starting point is 00:14:59 So like on the avenue, it's just like hundreds and hundreds of taxi cabs, even though probably in reality not that many caps, right? But it's like his mind sees it that way because, and he does a great job of reflecting that in the performance. You're really getting into in answerable questions. But the is Forrest Gump completely diluted and none of this stuff happened to him? Yeah. Oh, I mean, I'm going there now.
Starting point is 00:15:21 I mean, Jesus. You know, it's so convenient that he met every sitting president of his life. It was a star collegiate athlete, a war hero, a champion athlete who went to China. How convenient for Forrest. Do you guys think Top Gun Maverick ended when he died and they just kept going? Because that's the other... That's the best one of these series. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:45 He just dies in the beginning. 18 months I break that theory out about some movie, and Bill's like, that's a great call, Chris. Was that yours or was that online? I think that was me communicating the conventionalism of online. I can't take credit for that. Did you come up with Gracie Knoll? Was it aggressive hole your thing?
Starting point is 00:16:04 Was that your theory? It's being aggregating from a lot of my own sources, but yeah. So the movies that move with one character over a long stretch of time, this is probably the most famous one, but World According to Garb, Walk the Line? I don't think that's enough credit for that. Would you count Goodfellas? Sure, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:21 It's 20 years. Boyhood, and then Benjamin Button going backwards. Yeah. But basically the same premise. What's interesting, because I had the magazines from back then. What happened? Elvis. And then I did the Austin Butler, Mama.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Just for Sean. This was marketed as, holy shit. You're not going to leave the technical. Yeah. That was like the whole premiere magazine. It's two pages of Zemeca's just being like, man, we went for this. You're not going to believe the stuff we did. He says, one of the quotes is, I think if David Lean was making movies right now, he'd say,
Starting point is 00:17:04 where has this been my whole life? It was the actual Zemeca's quote. So, he said that about his own movie? Yeah. He was so fired up about the technology. He's like, we have Hanks with John Lennon. They're on the same screen. David Lean was filming the sun rising over the desert in Lawrence of Arabia.
Starting point is 00:17:24 I was like, God, if only Gump was here. That's what running across this skyline. That's what Zemeca says that. He says they were waiting for days for the right sunset. He's like, we could just make the sunset right now. That was like a catastrophic choice for filmmaking going forward. Yeah. Well, it was, I mean, that's, do you want to do a quick Zemeckos thing?
Starting point is 00:17:46 This is one of the things he loves as being on the cutting edge of things. You can tell this is one of the reasons why he wanted to make this movie. Because the first couple of movies of his career are just very standard stories. I want to hold your hand about young girls who love the Beatles, used cars, about used car salesmen. And then all of a sudden he's like, wait a minute, what if we went back to the future? And I figured out how to make the future look like the future. And then what if I did Who Frame Roger Abbott? And I put cartoons in a movie with real people.
Starting point is 00:18:10 And then he's constantly now, and he spent the last 20 years, only thinking about the technological excitement and the breakthroughs that he can make in filmmaking. And you can tell that a big reason why he wanted to do this was not just to do this picker-esque story over a history of time and his generation, but also to make John Lennon's mouth move on the Dick Cabot Show, that that's actually interesting to him to recreate what it would have been like to meet John Kennedy or all these other things that we see in the movie.
Starting point is 00:18:34 And then a couple of years ago he was like, what if Denzel Washington smoked a banana boat and turned a plane upside down? Riverboat coming. This won Best Picture, and he won Best Director. So this was the biggest quote-unquote achievement of his career, but he Zemeckis had. He did well for himself.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Yeah, I mean, he made back to the future, so the Oscars can eat shit. Here are all the things Forrest intersects with are in this movie. The Ku Klux Klan, Elvis, Bear Bryant, George Wallace and Alabama integration, JFK, Playboy Magazine, LBJ, Abby Hoffman, Black Panthers, 1970s China, John Lennon and Dickavitt, Nixon and Watergate, Apple, Nike, shit happens, have a nice day, and maybe AIDS.
Starting point is 00:19:25 What do you think is the most culturally significant contribution he made to our society over the course of this film? Oh. Gump? Good question. What's your answer, Mal? I think it's teaching Elvis to dance.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Oh. He had the most, like, hands-on, like, that was him. Like, it wasn't just like, oh, there's Nixon. It was like, no, I taught Elvis how to do the hound dog, you know? I think, and I think this is an appropriate room for this answer, he deserves credit for the birth of podcasting. Because ultimately, this is a movie about one person talking for a really long time to a bunch of people who are just trying to get through a lonely commute.
Starting point is 00:20:07 That's what this is here, without forests. This would pump up the volume, those were the two. Do you think Coward was inspired by Gump? I can just solo this. I got it. Jordan Love. Let's go. Moving guest hosts.
Starting point is 00:20:28 What do you think, Sean? He was really good at assembling and disassembling that gun. That was kind of amazing. They were like, you're going to be a general one day! Because he's good at assembling a gun? That was impressive. I thought that amazing shrimp-o captain. I thought that was his most impressive thing.
Starting point is 00:20:43 All the other boats were destroyed. Gumps out there just sailing around. Most DC thing about this movie is obviously the Capitol and the monument in the White House, which we get all in the row, and then we get the big scene in the water. That's why I feel like this is a Washington movie,
Starting point is 00:21:00 even though it's not set in Washington, because that's probably the best use of that entire environment I've seen in a movie, right? Would you go into, did you say that maybe, what's the Clint Eastwood movie that we did? In the line of fire. I like when Mitch McDere gets like
Starting point is 00:21:15 completely bulldozed by the FBI at the same location. Yeah, yeah. It's like your phone's tapped. Your life is you know it is over. What about when Jim Garrison goes for a walk with Mr. Alps in JFK? And he explains how this entire country is built on a lie? Not untrue.
Starting point is 00:21:35 The backstory, this was a 1986 novel by Winston Groom, and they adapted it, and they believed the people that were working on the script believe that it was actually really should be about Forrest and Jenny and their spiritual journey and that's what they did. So one, best picture, best director, best actor, I can't believe this,
Starting point is 00:21:59 but our girl Robin Wright, not nominated for best supporting actress. Pretty tough. Yikes. $55 million budget made $678 million worldwide. This is the crazy stat, though. It's stayed in the theater
Starting point is 00:22:16 for 42 weeks, Sean. 42 weeks. That's longer than any sports season. Yeah. They did the thing where they released it in July. It ran for four months. And then the Oscar nominations came out and it was nominated for 13 Academy Awards. And they were like, we'll put this back in theaters. And then everybody was like, absolutely. And it was a top five movie in America after they re-released it seven months after it came out. Also one of those movies that any, you could see like on any family vacation and every member, your family could go.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Right? Oh yeah. Grandma, little six-year-old who's probably bouncing around. A couple of things that you're like, you're too young for this one.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Here's what Forrest did in Jenny's roommate's bathroom. It's natural. It happens. If you're six, you probably don't understand what happened in that scene. And if you do understand,
Starting point is 00:23:08 watch out. Roger Ebert, four stars scarred a magical movie and he said Tom Hanks may be the only actor who could have played the role. I can't think of anyone else's gump. Our guy, Raj. Raj got an ovation last night in Chicago.
Starting point is 00:23:25 We brought him up and the crowd just applauded because he's a home game for Raj. He's been dead for nine years. What's your problem, D.C.? Yeah. We're talking about Roger Eber here. All right, so if you've never heard the rewatchables, we do categories and we break them down
Starting point is 00:23:42 and we dive into the movie. This first one is the most rewatchable scene. and here are my candidates. The first one, Forrest meets Jenny and the bus, and they hang out. As children. As Little Forrest.
Starting point is 00:23:54 And he gets bullied, and she says, Run, Forrest. And all of a sudden, he's on Alabama playing football. And we are fucking off. There's a couple things. There's a couple things out of
Starting point is 00:24:24 in between those moments. Honestly, barely any. Absolutely incredible moment. I love when they cut to him on the bench. Like, when they choose to go back to the modern timeline, right? The way that he turns and sides smirks and says, I could run like the wind, and you get to see like the actual genuine pride that he takes in his achievements. And it's lovely. Now, you wouldn't believe it if I told you that I could run like the wind blows.
Starting point is 00:24:58 That day on, if I was going somewhere, I was running. I wish we had Ben Solac here from the ringer to break down, Gump as a kick returner. Yeah. It would be amazing. Oh, Gump was a dude. Good calling. What was this 40 time? Like 3-9? I don't think Solac would be impressed with Gump's combine results at all. You don't think so?
Starting point is 00:25:25 No, he's just a North-South runner. Also, if you're grading those kids riding their bikes, like, they suck at riding bikes. They couldn't catch that kid? Yeah. Gump, tough wonder lick test for Gump. Next scene. Forrest visits Jenny in college. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:25:52 You're going to do some physical comedy here? What can we expect? You ever been with a girl for us? We get the premature e-gumpulation. Oh, good. You've been saving that. I wrote that backstage. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:11 I can't tell you how many times I've imitated this in real life. Can you put me, take me back to 1994? Nothing was funnier to me other than Buffalo Bill in the dungeon. 1994, you're sitting in the movie theater. You see this for this first time. I'll do this Charlie Rose. And you say what? You think what?
Starting point is 00:26:30 Just laughing my ass off. Like, oh my God. We get to relive this and redo it and imitate it for the rest of my life. It comes home when they pan down to the roommate's face. It is the most psychotic thing in American film history. First of all, when he sees her in the bra and he kind of does the double tape. Like he's looking at like a snake that has just been on. leash from a cage.
Starting point is 00:27:21 And then she puts the hand on it. He's just, the fastest anyone's ever come. Ever. A light nipple graze. That was all it took. It just destroys the blanket. I don't even, I can't imagine what happened to that blanket. I can't believe I'm sitting this close to you again.
Starting point is 00:27:41 His facial expressions in that scene are historic. That's how he wins the Oscar. Who's five? It's probably. It's unbelievable. That should have been. the Oscar clip when they're like in Tom Hanks before it's got
Starting point is 00:27:54 He's like Morgan Freeman standing a boat Multiple sequences of him returning kicks for Bear Bryant's championship crimson tied teams earning his way to a spot on the all-American team no labored breathing that even
Starting point is 00:28:14 touches what we see when he is sitting on Jenny's bed saying I'm sorry the best part quietly though is the muttered I'm dizzy and then she says bet that never happened in home acting great line
Starting point is 00:28:33 Jenny Gump more rewatchable scenes the Vietnam battle scene is really good they filmed it in South Carolina they put like 20 palmetto trees in some plantation and just went to work and it actually looks like you're in Vietnam it's a really good scene I don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:53 C.R. You're a Vietnam guy. I am a big non-guy. The whole four-tores sequence is great. Yeah, I just kept going back more. He's just incredible at set pieces. It's like this, the flight crash, castaway crash, obviously.
Starting point is 00:29:08 You know, there's just like, he's just incredible at, like, moving these major pieces. So it's two flight references. Yes, two. Two. Saves four people. There's a couple great moments in this scene. Like, Lieutenant Dan tell him I'm going to leave him.
Starting point is 00:29:20 Leave me here. And then him. him going back to find Bubba. I didn't ask you to pull me out of there. God damn you. Where the hell you think you're going? I got an airstrike inbound right now. They're going to name the whole area.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Don't you stay here. God damn it. That's an order. And then realizing it's but, is that the first time you cry in this movie? Ooh. How many tear jerks were there in this one? That's a loaded statement.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Yeah, maybe I'll rephrase. How are we back? How many times did you cry during this evening? Did you cry? Did you cry? Many tears while watching? Yeah. It's a sad and emotional movie.
Starting point is 00:30:07 I think most of the tears come at the end, but it's hard not to get a little choked up when Bubba is dying and saying that he just wants to go home. Why did this happen? I think what's interesting about the Vietnam scene, though, is like it's not even really a scene, right? The whole Vietnam sequence is wonderful. They meet Lieutenant Dan.
Starting point is 00:30:24 He's holding a roll of toilet paper the entire time talking about how, like, one thing you need to know is about your socks. And the movie is like really more a collection of vignettes than scenes. It's like a big montage. Yeah. Yeah. Next one, monument protest scene. That's it. That's all I have to say about that. That's the right on, man. You said it all. What's your name, man? My name is Forrest, Forrest Gump. Forrest Gump. Yes. Abby Hoffman. Would you've gone bigger actually? for the Abby Hoffman came in there?
Starting point is 00:31:17 I love that guy. I don't know what that guy's name is, but when he's like, Forrest Gump! That's like one kid. Right on, man. My brother and, my brother and I have said that
Starting point is 00:31:25 to each other a hundred times. Sierra, what are the odds for his speech was actually good if the mic had been on? Oh, no. He was definitely giving out like same game parlays.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Today I like Tulane or Louisiana Tech, take the points. It's all I got to say about. that. And then all of a sudden, and there's Jenny Gump. That's one of the best scenes of the 90s.
Starting point is 00:32:05 Incredible. It's really great. It's still gets me. Has anybody here ever tried to recreate that on a date? People get a little jumpy about stuff in that area, I know now. But like, you could try it.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Try it, try it. Tell them Chris told you it was fine. Do you count as that scene forced and beating the hell out of the boyfriend at the Bach Panther Party? That's my favorite character in this movie. That guy? Hipster Dufus guy.
Starting point is 00:32:33 Next one, just a quickie, the hurricane scene, just Seneas cooking on the top of the boat, screaming at the storm. Remarkable. Forrest's mom dies leading to the following things happen. Forrest gets rich on Applestock? Yeah. Forrest becomes a gardener.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Jenny shows up. They go to her old. house, she throws rocks at it. She turns down Forrest as a husband. Leading to one of his best monologues, why don't you love me, Jenny? I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is. I'm not going to hear the Forrest voice for you guys.
Starting point is 00:33:09 I'd make a good husband, Jenny. You would, Forrest. But you won't marry me. You don't want to marry me. Why don't you love me, Jenny? I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is. Jenny's response
Starting point is 00:33:50 to have sex with Forrest and then leave early the next morning in a cab one of the most evil acts ever perpetrated by a human being in a movie that we've ever seen I'm including saw movies I'm including
Starting point is 00:34:06 what's in the box Yeah seven Is this worse than seven? Yes Avenge in Seven Forest is just like great I'm a kid now like that's amazing Every time he looks at the Nike
Starting point is 00:34:22 Cortez that he's wearing, he's like, was I that bad at sex? It's devastating. Well, now, I mean, since you're here. Already? Wow. There's two directions here. Either, you know, the premature thing was another issue. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Or Forrest was amazing. Yes. And rocked her world, and that's why she had to get away. Yeah. No? Well, I think she had to get away because, like, Jamie Lanister, you know, she doesn't believe that she deserves to be happy, which is actually, like, a deeply tragic tale. I do believe that Forrest was a very deft and capable lovemaker by that point.
Starting point is 00:34:58 I do. Yes. Are you familiar with the show The Good Place? There's a great moment where spoilers for the good. The bill has spoiled every movie that's ever been made. It's fine. When Tahani is describing having sex with Jason and basically is like, he has no self-awareness and is thus extremely good at sex.
Starting point is 00:35:20 So I think Forrest, like, knew what he needed to improve, right? And was ready. I forgot to thank Honda for sponsoring tonight's podcast. Thank you to Honda. Really appreciate it. I can't believe this is my career. Chris, have you ever had a traumatic post-sex experience that led to you just sitting in different rooms of the house in complete silence? Was it for us?
Starting point is 00:35:54 No, you know what? The night is young. Two more scenes. Forrest meets Forrest Jr., played by Haley Joel Asman. Wonderful. Incredible casting. Man, it's hard to have to get choked up to this scene. You got a daddy named Forrest, too.
Starting point is 00:36:12 You're his daddy, Forrest. And then Hank does the, oh no. Forrest, look at me. Look at me, Forrest. There's nothing you need to do, okay? You didn't do anything wrong. Okay? Isn't he beautiful?
Starting point is 00:36:36 He's the most beautiful thing I've ever saying. He's very smart. He's one of the smartest in his class. When he like rubs his chest, when he's asking, is he smart? Is he smart? And then she's like, top of his class. Meanwhile, he's like, you know, in pre-key. Top of his class.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Finger painting stage, I think, yeah. He put the two dominoes. He was tearing through Curious George. True. Yeah. He's not a complete dumb ass like you for us. And then she does. that will you marry me for us?
Starting point is 00:37:26 She says, okay. And we're off. We're at a wedding. Lieutenant Dan shows up with the magic legs. Last scene. I mean, we just got to commemorate it. I wouldn't say it's necessarily rewatchable, but Jenny dies and Forrest gives the speech is one of the saddest scenes.
Starting point is 00:37:44 This is Waterworks for you, Mel. Oh, my God. Well, and especially because the whole conceit and framework of the movie is that he's telling the story of his life to strangers on the bench because he just wants to reach Jenny. And then he does, and how does he have to continue the story? How do we hear at the end of it?
Starting point is 00:37:58 He's standing at her tombstone, and then the birds. Bill, they flutter above their tree. She just wanted to turn into a bird and fly away. Sean, your heart is basically black. Did this, you're a Jets fan. Did this bring any emotion out of you? When I was watching the movie yesterday on the plane, during the scene, Lady turned to me,
Starting point is 00:38:23 and the scene next to me, it was like, are you okay? Because I was destroyed. You know, I'm the hideous to look at and just red face and got tears. But there's a real, there's a real, I'm apparent now thing about this
Starting point is 00:38:37 because he's talking about Little Forest to Jenny. And honestly, really tough scene to not make awful. Again, like Hank's selling against a tombstone. I mean, that's really who he was acting against in this scene.
Starting point is 00:38:51 And the whole, you're with him the whole time. You're like, this is exactly how we're supposed to be feeling in this moment, which I think in the hands of almost any other actor just wouldn't work. It's great acting. It's great writing because he can't all of a sudden be more profound than he is. So he has to kind of still stay in the zone, but it has that extra layer of almost poetry to it.
Starting point is 00:39:12 I have a serious question. Would you have read the letter? Little Forrest writes a letter, right? And Forrest leaves it on the grave. It says he's not allowed to read it. It's sweet, I guess, that he's respecting his three-slash-four-year-old child's inner life and privacy, but wouldn't you want to know what was going on in your son's head there? Do you think it said, Mom, why didn't you tell me dad's a dumbass?
Starting point is 00:39:39 Dad sucks. Mom, what's the story with dad's apple stock? Do I get in the back? Did we sort of will? My only nitpick with the scene was Forrest, who, it's been. established, not a rocket scientist, gets super eloquent there for like three sentences. You think so?
Starting point is 00:40:00 He's talking about destiny and fade and it's like, you were a gardener, like by choice, and you had Applestock, and you've been established that you're kind of all over the map. Now you're just eloquently breaking this down for us. I don't know, I did buy it. It raises something really interesting, which is like the difference between the book and the movie. In the book, the character is so.
Starting point is 00:40:23 so different because he's more of a savant. So for anybody who's read the Force Gump novel, he's like a math whiz, but he also is very socially enacts. They made it more almost like will hunting rainmanage. But he's just simple in this movie. He doesn't have any of those skills. So you can almost feel like a little bit of the carryover
Starting point is 00:40:42 from the character in the writing. Yeah. Well, what do you got for most rewatchable, CR? I think I'm going to go with the Vietnam, the ambush and like the rescuing. Oh. I think it's the most... See, he always likes a good...
Starting point is 00:40:52 No. Just brothers band of brothers that's going when you service our country Yeah Matt
Starting point is 00:40:59 Matt what do you have I'm going to go with the scene with Jenny and Forrest at the National Mall and Sean's Abby Hoffman impression I do just want to state
Starting point is 00:41:10 formally for the record though that your bias which I'm sure will come up a lot tonight against the Iran across the country for three years sequence
Starting point is 00:41:18 and not putting that in the most rewatchable scenes is crazy You, like, documented the entire life-powered and skipped the running. It's coming up later. Yeah, I bet. What do you have, Sean?
Starting point is 00:41:31 I love meeting Little Forest for the first time. Wow. Didn't pick a Tom Hanks' scene. No. Tom Hanksson meeting Little Forest. Oh, Little Forest. I thought you meant Little, well, there's multiple Little Forest. I like Monument.
Starting point is 00:41:45 Prochets, my favorite. All right, next category is what stage is the best? If you're ever in trouble, just run, run away. just good advice from Jenny good one in terms for us could understand he's like all right so I'm gonna run if I'm in trouble
Starting point is 00:42:01 you think that was like a metaphor for Vietnam yeah what do you have give me one I got the pacing this is a very long film and it goes in a bunch of different places and has a bunch of different shifts totally but it never like is any scene
Starting point is 00:42:15 in this movie longer than like two and a half minutes like it essentially flies through it so I always thought the pacing was great now should we talk about the feather that's a what stage is the best I think so okay yeah let's do it
Starting point is 00:42:29 because this is a fairy tale right this is a fable so you have this like deeply symbolic bookend to open and to close you're saying that you think Farscump is an unreliable
Starting point is 00:42:44 narrator but like the feather is our version of that is the audience we get to like project our meaning onto that right And like, you guys talked about this on the first pod, like, what do you see in that feather? And the idea that it's just going to fall on his foot at the beginning, then it's there at the end, he's going to pick it up, right? He's going to put it in his briefcase. Like, you move through life.
Starting point is 00:43:05 You cross paths, the randomness, the coincidental chance encounters. And, like, that actually, I think, connects to the grave sequence that you cited, right? This idea of, like, is it destiny? Do we choose our own course? It's both, right? wonderful. Who doesn't love some literary symbolism in their blockbuster? Did your mom like that thing? That's more of a dad one. The feather's more of a dad one.
Starting point is 00:43:29 What do you have, Sean? What stage is the best? Give us one. Blaming everything that happened in this country on one guy. My first What's Age the Best? Robin fucking right. Just one of the greatest looking actresses of all time. I wouldn't give her goat status, but she's in the A block of the TV show. about it. A block of goat status? Just the perfect Jenny Gump.
Starting point is 00:44:01 I don't know. Who else could have played Jenny Gump? Who would you have picked from any era? Any era? Yeah. Cleopatra? Is she eligible? Who?
Starting point is 00:44:14 Cleopatra? I didn't think about it. I didn't mean to go way that far back. Mary Todd Lincoln? Jesus. Just love Robin Wright. Princess Brad and this, like, unassailable.
Starting point is 00:44:26 I thought the CGI in this movie for a 90s movie is actually like pretty good. It is. They're like still not doing this good of a job on Disney Plus today. It makes it wonder if like... Yeah. They're not. As a civilization peak with Jurassic Park in this
Starting point is 00:44:40 and then it's just been basically... It was like realistic CGI but you could still tell that but now it's like I don't know where we are now. It's because it's used sparingly you know? Yeah. I mean there are a couple of sequences in the Vietnam set piece where there's a lot of it but for the most part it's just very
Starting point is 00:44:56 small dashes where it's not like the entire movie was shot on a green screen or on a soundstage. It's shot in real environment, so it looks good. More would say your best. Sean, how many door songs? So, there are five songs by the doors, but I actually read that there were six. Yeah, which...
Starting point is 00:45:12 I thought there were six. Like, I think the doors are a little bit over-criticized, but five is a lot. Zemeckis is like, I'm going for this. Isn't it three in a row at one point? Yeah, he just really liked the doors. He wanted to set the record straight. Although Forrest being a dumb guy who likes the doors, is it great?
Starting point is 00:45:31 That's a great thing. That's really funny. I like how he described the rain in Vietnam where it's like stinging rain, fat rain, sideways rain, rain that came up. Vietnam, it wasn't fun, was it, Chris? I could tell you some stories, but... A very young Haley Joel Osmond? Incredible.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Sure. What do you have for what's age of best mile? How about quotability? I think this has been a little bit of a journey for this movie, right? Where the stupid is this stupid does or run forest run or life is like a box of chocolates almost became like so ubiquitous and inescapable that like then people tired of them. But the staying power for the lines from this movie is extraordinary. It was this and Austin Powers.
Starting point is 00:46:17 Yeah. In the A block of the goat conversation. Another point. I have another what's age the best action. Yeah. New York City Lieutenant Dan. Unbelievable. I love to party with that guy.
Starting point is 00:46:29 Did he know Harling Mays? Great New Year's Eve. Pure CRLG. Yeah. Speaking of Lieutenant Dan, I had when it's finally going on the boat and he says, Forrest, I never thanked you for saving my life.
Starting point is 00:46:45 And then he dives into the water. That got you, Sean, a tiny bit, no? That aged the best? Yeah, it's a great moment. Okay. It's a great. Nice to Nace. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Yeah, that's a good scene. So this is a What's Age the Best, that Playboy magazine that Jenny Gump was in? Yep. Sold at a movie prop auction three years ago for $4,800. UPS. U-PU-N-Hourg? No, it really was $4,800. The Lieutenant Dan Redemption, going from Magic Legs,
Starting point is 00:47:17 as the new wife at the wedding. Would it have been funnier if he married Cunning Carla or Long-Leges-Linor? No. He was like, this is, remember long legs, Lenore? What do you, married them both like
Starting point is 00:47:29 Byron Mayo? Dubeom? Polyamory forest. It's the future. I got too much love for one lady. Sierra, this one's for you. What's Edge the Best?
Starting point is 00:47:47 Attractive, coked up characters on the edge. It's like, oh. Yeah, timeless. She's going on the hotel balcony. Oh, no. Yeah, she's speaking my language. I just had a few.
Starting point is 00:47:59 So every still picture of Forrest in this movie, Hank says his eyes closed. Yeah. Such a good bit. Just like a little... Fortune magazine, you can do better. Come on. We can get another cover shot, can't we?
Starting point is 00:48:12 I really like Young Forrest mocking the principal after his sex with his mom. It's very funny. Bernard from Lost, I thought of you. Of course. Would you put the Bubba Cump... You're mixing up your scenes there. The Bubba Gump.
Starting point is 00:48:26 Now that would be a movie. Bubba Gump and Company? I can't even say it. That restaurant, there's like 33 of them. Is that what stage is the best or what stage is the worst? I think like the franchising and merchandising of forest gum. Like again, this is not Star Wars. Right.
Starting point is 00:48:45 So you go what stage is the worst? No, best. Okay. The fact that they were able, like, people wear Bubba Gump Shrimp Co hats. That's astonishing. Do you, when you see somebody wearing a Bubba Gump Shrimp Co. I'm like put on a Baltimore Orioles hat.
Starting point is 00:49:05 New owners. Congratulations, Mal. New owners. I'm thrilled. So long, Angelos. Sign gunner Henderson. Forest Alabama football career we mentioned, but I just, God damn, I enjoy that part of the movie. It's amazing. You could have had seven more scenes of him.
Starting point is 00:49:24 I would like to see him in the Cotton Bowl, like all kinds of things. You want to do the soundtrack here as the Woodstage is the best? also be at what's age the worst? I have it in what's age the worst. You do? But for a very personal reason. Oh, let's hear it. Sierra. You wanted me to jump ahead? Okay. I used to
Starting point is 00:49:39 work at record stores in the mid-90s and this was just an absolute nightmare to fucking put in the security case. It was only the Bubba Gump, the forest gum soundtrack was this double disc. We could never keep it in stores because boomers were like, I love all these songs. And so we would have to constantly restock it,
Starting point is 00:49:55 which means you would have to put it in the plastic security case and it was just the bane of my existence, so I never forgave it. It was this and melancholy and the infinite sadness. With those thick double cases. Yeah. That was great. So we talked about this when we did the first time we did this spot, which was a lot shorter.
Starting point is 00:50:13 I have no idea what I said about it then. So if I contradict myself. The picks are so generic that I actually respect it. Like it's like he's running the scene. I will play Running on Empty. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Almost like Forrest Gump level IQ for the song choices.
Starting point is 00:50:27 I totally agree. I totally like if you rewatch the Vietnam sequence, It's like, hey now, what's that sound? Like, while they're looking around, looking for what's the sound. Like, it is the most literal, but, and also, it is the most obvious top 40 from that era. So it's a double whammy of obviousness,
Starting point is 00:50:46 and yet, if you just put those songs on. The songs are good. It's like, oh, Jackson's around. Some good songs. Yeah. Any other What Stage is the best before we keep moving? No, I had the, just, I just wanted to talk a lot about Dan in New York. Also, I will say, great drill sergeant.
Starting point is 00:51:01 I love this drill sergeant in this movie. This is one of my favorite people in this film. The drill sergeant? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we should save him. Can save him. This did the five-fecta, Sean.
Starting point is 00:51:12 VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, Blu-ray, and streaming. What do we call that? The Quad-Fecta? Absolutely. The Fantasy Fecta? The Fantasy Fecta? The Quint Fecta?
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Starting point is 00:52:49 What do you have, Mel? I have Jenny as Bobby Dillon. See, Bobby Dillon. Singing, plowing in the wind, in the nude. Yes. The Big Cooner Burger Award best use of food and drink, the 15 Dr. Pepper's, I don't think. More than a box of chocolate.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Box of chocolates is tough to top. I like Dr. Pepper. Genet Thee's Benihana Award, scenes still in location, obviously, the monument. And then what do you got for Great Shot Order Award for Best Cinematic Shot? I got Jenny running across the reflecting pool just because it was actually a pretty cool.
Starting point is 00:53:26 They had to take, like, two days to make it, and they would basically shoot all the extras in squares of, like, 1,500, and then lift them and then replicate it. So, you know, innovation. I like Forrest beating the hell out of Jenny's annoying boyfriend in slow motion. As a great shot, Gordo? Yeah, I like the slow-mo. It's like, oh, he's going to kick this guy's ass.
Starting point is 00:53:45 The technical of cinematography in this film? Forrest is, like, strong, man. You didn't want to mess with Forrest. Absolutely. American. Yeah. That's like Greenbow, Alabama strength. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:53:57 The Butch's Girlfriend Award for the weak link of the film. When I got tired, I slipped. When I got hungry, I ate. The jogging sequence. my God, why? Just why? Why is it in this movie? He jogs for three years, two months, and 14 days straight.
Starting point is 00:54:15 This is the dumbest scene of all time. Why did this happen, Chris? So him becoming a champion ping-pong player. Right, exactly. Or busting up watergate. That's fine. What person can run for three years and two months straight? What?
Starting point is 00:54:33 Why are you staring at mean horror? It's the movie in miniature, right? Like everything that the movie is trying to do is present in that scene. And the way that he, like, you get the emotion of him saying that it brought people hope, right? You have the absolute kind of, like, incredulity of, the response that you're having is the one that you're supposed to have. But then, like, we get a great moment where we see the clippings that Jenny has collected, which I have some follow-up material on in unanswerable questions. He's a sensation. Like everything that he does inspires not only attention, but rapture.
Starting point is 00:55:07 And he doesn't give a shit. Sean, help me. Well, it's a plot device. Because you've got to ask yourself, if Jenny wanted to get impregnated by Forrest Gump, dubious proposition in the first place. But if she did want to do that, why would she keep the child from Forrest? This is a guy who owns the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company. You lock it down.
Starting point is 00:55:29 He's on the cover of Fortune Banking. Yeah. You would, in theory, but what we need to do is be completely distracted from that question and have a whole set piece where forced, for some unknown reason, is going to run for the duration of Haley Joel Osmond's life so that by the time we get to see him, he's that age and cute. And so we're like, okay, I get it. I see why they're back together.
Starting point is 00:55:50 Also, she got sick. I think that's why it's there. That's not in the book. That whole running thing. That's all an invention by Eric Roth. I'm going to say he developed planter forciitis. Or a torn meniscus. Something is happening at some point
Starting point is 00:56:05 over three years. Morwood's stage the worst. So the CGI is really good except for John Lennon's lips. They just couldn't figure that one out at all. That was really rough. No possessions? It also is...
Starting point is 00:56:18 Very strange. A peg or two out of the John Lennon genius Yeah? Yeah. Forrest Gump just writing those lyrics for him. Is that not what happened? Here's what's in Forrest's suitcase at the bus stop.
Starting point is 00:56:29 A ping pong bag. a curious George book, some awards, and a feather. Not the beauties of the South. Like that thing, Playboy? You could just put him in jail if somebody opened the suitcase. Like, this guy's planning an attack.
Starting point is 00:56:47 You mentioned Sally Fields 10 years older than the hanks. Here's a good wood's age of worst. Warner Brothers had Forrest Gump. And after a Randman came out, they decided it wouldn't work. And they traded it for the rights to a movie called Executive Decision.
Starting point is 00:57:01 which was a $650 million mistake by Warner Brothers. Tough one, Sean. I don't know. Kurt Russell, Steven Seagall. They hijack a plane movie rocks. I'm not saying I didn't like executive decision. I'm just maybe not great. There's a deleted scene that they shot
Starting point is 00:57:19 and is on the 25th anniversary Blue Way where young Jenny kills her father by releasing the tractor handbrake so it runs him down in the cornfield. That's sick. I love that. I wish that had been in the movie. The filmmakers decided the audiences would not forgive Jenny.
Starting point is 00:57:38 Hasn't it? Jenny's father been terrorizing her for all of her life? I think we would have just stood up and applauded. You know me. The scenes in if I'm the director. I'm keeping that one. It sounds amazing. The Simmons cut of Gump was not unreal.
Starting point is 00:57:53 You keep that scene, Sean? Yeah. I think you got to save that for the Gump prequel, Jenny's Reckoning. I feel like that would be. All right, fair. Can I ask Bill just off the real. not to digress here, but if you did make Forrest Gump,
Starting point is 00:58:06 do you think, do you have Gump like on the court with Garnett being like, anything is possible? See, I was going to make an Embed Simmons joke here, but I'm just not going to. Well, this is going to bum you guys out, but they
Starting point is 00:58:26 filmed the deleted scene with Gump and Martin Luther King. Yeah. Where Gump distracts police dogs that were going to attack Martin Luther King and they decided in their infinite wisdom we should probably take this out
Starting point is 00:58:40 and thank God. Kind of redefines deleted scene. Yeah, that is, talk about deleted for a reason. I can't even believe they film that. I can't even believe they talk about it. It's just unbelievable. And then Eric Roth, the screenwriter, who's done a lot of good stuff,
Starting point is 00:58:57 they were developing a sequel. And in the sequel, Forrest Jr., I'm not making this up, Forrest Jr. at 8. forest ended up in OJ's car in the backseat Forrest became a ballroom dancer who danced with Princess Dye not making this up and then he he found a Native American girlfriend they lived in Oklahoma City she worked in a federal building and got blown up in the bombing it's true and then
Starting point is 00:59:31 Eric Roth was like but 9-11 ruined all that yeah they had agreed to do it and 9-11 happening there like let's back off on this gum thing i listen this is apparently factual i i don't understand i don't even know what is the craziest out of those four things that would be like if you got high and hung out all night with your friends and be like let's just think of what gump do would be the craziest force well there's one other thing about it which i don't think was going to be in the movie but in the gump sequel book the movie exists and the movie the the second book is all about how the real Forrest Gump meets Tom Hanks
Starting point is 01:00:11 and talks to him about how inaccurate the portrayal of his life was in the movie Forrest Gump. Like, everybody involved in the whole Gump on the enterprise? And is it Tom Hanks a dick in the book? Yeah, he's like, I don't care. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:23 These people are on drugs. It's stupefying. Best quote. I got one other, what's age the worst. It's just, it's not a big deal, but it is like when you lead with I'm related to Nathan Bedford Forrest. This was mine as well.
Starting point is 01:00:38 We should talk about this. Terrible. Yeah, tough. Mama said the farthest part was to remind me that sometimes we all do things that, well, don't just make no sense. You could just have a chat about people. People make mistakes.
Starting point is 01:00:50 You don't need to name your son after the founder of the clan. Yeah. The Nathan Bedford Forrest Wiki is like a wild ride. Like that guy... You spend a lot of time on that wiki? Last night I was like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:01:03 This guy's in this movie? He's a bad man. Best quote, that's not the typical best quote from this movie. I really like there's an awful lot you can tell about a person by their shoes. Yeah. That was a good one. That's a good high school yearbook quote. All right.
Starting point is 01:01:21 Stephen A. Smith-Hottis take a word. You have one C.R? Yeah. So this is like this is out there. So this again, but I think this really works is that this movie works way better if you just look at it as like an allegory for Jesus Christ. And basically the entire movie. I thought you said this was out there. No, I mean, it's out there, like, it's out there, like, this has been talked about on some Christian forums and stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:01:44 Oh. Okay. If you Google Forrest Gump Jesus, you get to some interesting websites. So, like, it's pretty obvious. The beard, the apostles, Lieutenant Dan, the conversion moment. Like, it comes up a lot, and if you watch it as, like, a parable, it actually... Jenny as Mary Magdalene. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Yeah. It's pretty sick, you are. Yeah. I'm doing the work. I'm trying my best, you know. Thanks again to Honda. I don't remember which book in the New Testament, the premature ejaculation happens in,
Starting point is 01:02:23 but I also realize that that's absolutely a sin to say out loud, so I'm sorry. What do you have, Bell? If Forrest Gump lived now. Now, he would be canceled instantly. One tweet, and he's done, right? Name for a clan leader, as we just discussed.
Starting point is 01:02:45 Shove a woman off his lap, right? Pushes a woman. Shows the president of the United States his ass, pulls down his pants in front of the president on television. You mentioned beating up Jenny's date constantly starting fights and punching people. He was violent. During the three-year run that he's just constantly, when he says if I had to go, you know,
Starting point is 01:03:09 like constantly defecating in public. Right? How much of the three years were just arrests for public urination? Like, maybe it works better in your timeline if it's just that. So you think he's canceled? Instantly.
Starting point is 01:03:23 I like it. What do you got, Sean? This is kind of elaborate, but go with me. If Forrest Gump was never born, the New York Jets would have zero Super Bowls to their name. Because think about it like this. You go back to Alabama in 62. You got a young hot-shot quarterback, Joan Namath.
Starting point is 01:03:42 He needs to build his confidence in his freshman season at Alabama. What does he need? Good field position. Who's getting him that field position? A little pun return in him, Forrest Gump. That gives him the confidence to project him into the AFL and eventually to Super Bowl 3, where he gives us the one title we needed.
Starting point is 01:04:01 I love it. So Elvis, taught Elvis taught Elvis to dance, taught the Jets how to win a Super Bowl. That's right. I like it. My hottest take doubles as the Vincent Chase Award for,
Starting point is 01:04:15 are we sure this character was actually good at their job? named after Vincent Chase and entourage, who could enact but was a famous actor. So this goes to, let's talk about Forrest's mom here. Wow.
Starting point is 01:04:31 You zagged. Named her son after the head of the KKK. Yeah. Let's just start there. To remind him that sometimes we do things that don't make sense. Sleeps with the principal, with Forrest just outside swinging on a swing, so he doesn't have to go to a special school. Let him go to Vietnam.
Starting point is 01:04:54 Could have gone to the AFL. Could have gone to the NFL? There's two football leagues in 1963. Easily could have made a living on that. Here are some of her quotes that Forrest thinks were so wisdom and so great. If God had intended everyone to be the same, he would have given everyone braces on their legs. What does that even mean?
Starting point is 01:05:17 Mama says stupid is as stupid does. What? Mama always said, dying's a part of life. Oh. Whoa. She did it again. Life is like a box of chocolates. You don't know, never know what you're going to get.
Starting point is 01:05:36 You actually do. There's a fucking. with all the chocolates. You know what you're going to get. It's like, oh, there's the cherry one. Oh, that one has a nut in it. Mamos is as dumb as Forrest Cup. I think you really need to consider
Starting point is 01:05:53 that she knows who she's speaking with in all of these services. Oh, she lowered her playing. Yeah, she may have been fair. Watering down the wisdom, fine. Casting what ifs. I swear this is true, but Zemekis wanted Harry Anderson to play Forrest Cup.
Starting point is 01:06:09 from Nightcourt. Yeah. The guy from Nightcourt. And didn't do like another CBS show instead? Yeah, he couldn't. He was doing some random CBS show. It's like, damn, I guess I'll have to get Tom Hanks. And John Travolta was the original choice and said after that passing in the world was a mistake.
Starting point is 01:06:27 I would say so, John. Can you imagine if Travolta had done, would he have done Gump and fiction in the same year? I think he does Gump over fiction. Or maybe he does both. What do you think? Well, he, I think he would have done Gump over fiction, too, because of the film involved, but he made two movies that tried to read Gump. He made both Michael in which he played an angel.
Starting point is 01:06:48 Yeah, that movie's terrible. In which he played like a man with magical powers. I like phenomenon. And in both cases, he was like, I got to get me some of that gump. I'm trying to correct the gump mistake. Phenomenon's good. I like that movie. He looked right at me when he said that.
Starting point is 01:07:03 This led me on a deep dive all the movies John Travolta passed on. Forrest Gump, officer and a gentleman, American jigolo, Splash the Green Mile, and Manny and Scarface. Yeah. Chavoleta said no. Sean Penn claimed he was the second choice for Forrest Gump, and he turned it down. I don't know if I believe that.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Did he claim that on John Burtonthal's podcast? Yeah, yeah. I think he did. I think that's true, actually. And then for Bubba, three people definitely turned it down. David Allen Greer. Dave Chappelle and Ice Cube
Starting point is 01:07:41 Yeah Ice Cube is Bubba Gump does not work I'm just gonna No Say that right now Hot off of Boys in the Hood His first new
Starting point is 01:07:52 Next movie would have been Forrest Gump I can't I don't do Anaconda instead though I don't know Chappelle felt really bummed out When the movie made $670 million And Badgered Hanks To work with him again
Starting point is 01:08:06 And they did you've got mail together. There's one other audition. Do you want to tell them who audition for Bubba? Tupac. Tupac Shakur. Yeah. Audition for Bubba Gump.
Starting point is 01:08:18 I think it would have brought a different energy to Bubba Gump. Different vibe. Yeah. They hit him up, Bubba, you know. Jenny Gump, Jody Foster, Demi Moore, and Nicole Kibman all turned it down. I don't know which one of those three would have been the worst one, but probably Demi Moore. And Terry Gilliam turned it down as a director. There's one casting what if that we haven't touched on, though.
Starting point is 01:08:48 That Joe Pesci was being discussed for Lieutenant Dan. Oh, my God. And it's one of the great. So did you think, I didn't know if that was real. You know, but sometimes you see something and you just need to believe it. You know, that would have been amazing. Of Joe Pesci being like, shrimp, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:12 What the fuck is so good about shrimp? Think about the amazing visual image of Joe Pesci with no legs. Yeah, it's incredible. Just that stult body? What have been amazing. Harder to prop him up against the side of the hospital bed, though. So the Ruffalo, Hannah Rubinette Partcher's overacting word, Sinise styles it up a couple times.
Starting point is 01:09:34 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Joey Pan's Best That Guy Award. So ironically, I think Sinise was a that guy before this movie. and then graduated being Gary Seneese. I didn't know who he was for this movie. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:09:49 It's like a stage actor. It's not like he went on to be one of the world's great film actors, though. Like, have you looked at Gary Seneas's IMDB lately? Well, he was in CSI for like 10 years. He hasn't been like a movie in 20-something years. I think he was too creepy in ransom and that was it. He couldn't get normal parts. He does this.
Starting point is 01:10:07 He does Apollo 13. I mean, he was a big deal. Yeah, he does a nice run. I think it's Sam Anderson. It's the principal. Oh, that's good. Oh, my God. from Lost, or Guy Lee Paxton from Justified?
Starting point is 01:10:17 He's my vote. So, Dion Waiter's Award, which is for Best Heat Check, where somebody just comes in and steals a couple scenes. You could go, Michael T. Williamson is Bubba, the horny principle you could do. You could do cunning Carla and long legs Lenore. Yeah. Oh, that's a great one.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Old lady in pink dress at bus stop, really in the Gulf stories? Yeah, she's wonderful. Or Dick Cavett aging himself 20 years. What would you go with Sean? I have one more nomination, and it's my... pick. It's Ephimo Omalami as drill sergeant. Yes. Oh, okay. You must be a goddamn
Starting point is 01:10:50 genius, Gump. You must have an IQ of 160. That guy is incredible in that scene. He's coming for the full metal jacket crown in that scene. It's pretty good. Has there ever been a bad drill sergeant in a movie? No, never. It's never not worth. Should we just like
Starting point is 01:11:05 cutting drill sergeants into like dead poet society? Yeah. Great idea. I'm going with Dorothy Harris, the bus driver. Oh, that's a good one. iconic showing, again, like, across time, when they do the Rosencrantz and Gildenstern or dead version of Forrest Gump, where we're seeing the entire story
Starting point is 01:11:22 through side character perspectives, I wanted to be through bus driver Dorothy's guys. That's the story we need. I know. We have a new category just for the tour. What would Tony Romo's director's commentary for this movie sound like? Then the jogging season?
Starting point is 01:11:57 saving it up for years, Jim. It's all this moment. The jogging scene would be great. He's like telestrating across the room. Yeah. He's been running a long time. He's going to run all the way to May, Jim. I like that you specified human breast.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Yeah. Well, guys get up to weird stuff in farms. Half a S-Rner Research, Greenbow, Alabama does not exist. They made it up. Everyone heartbroken in the office. Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that was a conversation killer. They spent two months building
Starting point is 01:12:36 Forest House on a South Carolina plantation and they finished filming and they argued with the person who won the land and they said, fuck you and knocked it down. They knocked down what would be a tourist attraction today. I think people would go to this house. Big mistake. Wow. I think I have to retract my prior comment
Starting point is 01:12:54 about the successful merchandising and franchising of the Forest Gump universe. No-brainer. So the author of the book, Winston Groom, says that he intended the disease that Jenny had to be hepatitis C, not AIDS. I think Zemeckis. Great, great spot to laugh.
Starting point is 01:13:16 I got very serious there. The hammer on that was like, not AIDS. It does feel like Zemeckis. Zemeckis is leaning AIDS, yeah. For sure. Kurt Russell was the voice Elvis. Yes. This one, I was stunned by Michael T. Williamson wore a lip attachment for Bubba Gump's protruding lip. I did not know that.
Starting point is 01:13:36 Better tuck that in. Get a column trip wire. Tom Hanks's younger brother, Jim Hanks, was his double for the cross-country scenes. This is a great one, good internet one. Jenny's date of birth was the same day as the Trinity test. It's an Oppenheimer shared universe, baby. Hell yeah. Sean coincidence? We need a fourth hour. What if the last shot of Oppenheimer
Starting point is 01:14:01 was Jenny Gump being born? Move over, Barbie. Oppenheimer's security clearance needed to die so Jenny could be born. The park bench was in Savannah, Georgia, it's now in the Smithsonian. You guys could go see it. Here's what Forrest says.
Starting point is 01:14:20 This is what Tom Hanks said, Forrest said, at the Vietnam rally after the mic was pulled. Sometimes when people go to Vietnam, They go home to their mamas without any legs. Sometimes they don't go home at all. That's a bad thing. That's all I have to say about that. I'm not sure Abby Hoffman should have been that blown away.
Starting point is 01:14:39 You said it all, man. Forest Gump! Zemeckis and Hanks did the thing where they waived the large part of their fee for percentage points and made ungodly amounts of money from the movie. I think they did that because Paramount was trying to... The budget cuts. cut the budget on them.
Starting point is 01:14:58 And so they said, we'll let you cut the budget if you give us points, which turned out to be pretty darn smart. And then in the novel, which Sean alluded to earlier, Gump was an astronaut and a professional wrestler and a chess player. And it's just, I think, a different vibe than the movie. There was one more, another theory that was floating on out there that I found on the internet. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:15:18 This is, Forrest's Dead theory. So the idea is that the bullies kill him early in the movie. and when he breaks out of his braces it's him leaving this mortal coil he does good deeds on earth until he finally gets his angel wings which is the feather and then this is a CR
Starting point is 01:15:40 just a little bit of spice on top of this Haley Joel Osmond shows up and he sees dead people spread the needle love it great stuff did Chris can convert to Christianity in Chicago?
Starting point is 01:15:59 We're watching too much true detective. I'll tell you that. Apex Mountain. I think yes for Tom Hanks. This is it. After back-to-back Oscars and he makes this movie work for $680 million, what movie would they not say yes to Tom Hanks for?
Starting point is 01:16:16 Yeah. And then he's right into Apollo 13 and Toy Story. We get Woody right on the heels of this. Tom Hanks. Love that guy. I wish Sean liked you a little more. Tom Hanks. So it's not Cloud Atlas? No.
Starting point is 01:16:28 It's not. It's a cheap shot. Robin Wright. No. House of Cards. I can't believe I mentioned frantic last night and House of Cards. What is wrong with me?
Starting point is 01:16:43 Your problematic face. She was nominated for four Emmys for that. I mean, it's got to be that. She's great. Yeah. Zemechis? Premature ejaculation? I think so.
Starting point is 01:16:57 I think so, yeah. I mean, it broke the record by like two seconds. Yeah. What about a... Bobby Thompson or Forest Cup? For boomer pop culture, would you go this or big chill? Oh. Big chill.
Starting point is 01:17:17 Yeah. Yeah. What would you say, Sean? It's a tough one because this movie comes out post-Clinton. And I always think of Clinton as like, you guys did it, you old bastard. you know, like you got your guy in there, you know, you just really wanted to take over the world and you fucking did it, and then you made
Starting point is 01:17:34 force scomp, you assholes. Now you just won't give up the goddamn crown at all. Just step back. Just step back. Let Mallory go forward as a leader of this world. Apex Mountain Shrimp? There is like a seven-minute stretch of this movie where every single possible preparation of shrimp
Starting point is 01:18:02 is enumerated in full. And it made me kind of want shrimp. Joe House is out there. somewhere. It made him hungry. Gary Sinise Apollo 13 or this? I think it is. Okay.
Starting point is 01:18:15 Sneak guys. Love that. The Oscars, Apex Mountain, the 1994 Oscars, which had David Letterman hosting, and it was the Oprah Uma one, and it became super controversial,
Starting point is 01:18:31 and then we had Shawshank versus Pulp Fiction versus Forrest Gump, and it was like baby boomers against newer people. Old school Hollywood against new school Hollywood. Gen X, your generation. Gen X, yeah, my generation. Can I give you a data point about this?
Starting point is 01:18:47 Yeah. In 1995, when this Oscars took place 49 million people watched the Oscars, 83 million people watched the Super Bowl that year. In 2023, 19 million people watched the Oscars and 112 million people watched the Super Bowl. The Oscars fucked up. That's terrible.
Starting point is 01:19:08 What happened? I felt like the Oscars meant the most, mattered the most, and resonated the most in the 90s, because we had enough movie history at that point. I really cared who won. There was that whole movie making culture. All the magazines. It's just like, I really cared.
Starting point is 01:19:24 And now I care because you care. Yeah. You care so that you can watch all the movies and be like, you know that movie you loved and talked about? Hated it. Yeah. But I was just too long. But Sean, how many people are on letterbox every day?
Starting point is 01:19:40 You're fine. You're fine. Don't encourage him. Don't encourage him. And I love to respect all of you. Ridiculous. Michael T. Williamson? Apex Mountain?
Starting point is 01:19:50 No, it's heat. You fucking ain't right. Methamphetamines. Movies built around a dumb character? Would you go this or dumb and dumber? Ooh. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:11 I mean, I would rather watch Dumb and Dumber right now. Okay. To watch the Monument, I'm going to say no. I just think they'd probably have better moments. Spider-Man Homecoming. Tragic hot female movie characters? It's a long list. How much more do we have to go on the show?
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Starting point is 01:21:53 Find your season at experienceGR.com. It's always a pleasure when we get to do this in person, especially with her parents here. I wasn't sure if you were going to skip this tonight. Oh, God, no. The Mallory Rubin Award, which we named after, Did this movie need a better sex scene? We literally named this after Mallory,
Starting point is 01:22:18 and it was probably an HR violation, but we're all okay. Okay. I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to share this with 850 of my closest friends and my father. Sorry, Dad. It is astonishing to me. Astonishing.
Starting point is 01:22:42 That there's not a scene in this movie where Jenny teaches Forrest how to perform oral sex. First hears once, never take your eye off the ball. And he becomes the best ping pong player in the history. You don't have to worry about the premature ejaculation.
Starting point is 01:23:17 And we have seen this man attack an ice cream cone. The future of our country, yeah. Amazing. Wow. Was there a better title for this movie? Probably not, right? I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:23:49 Good title. I'm stuck. You're going to give me a second. Yeah, give me a second. Yeah, no. She really went for a joke? She didn't care. All right, time to pick some nits.
Starting point is 01:24:10 Yes. Man. How long was Forrest at the bus stop? I mean, honestly, how many hours? Like six? Nine? These three different buses, right, have gone by. Three hours, five?
Starting point is 01:24:25 It really makes that Forrest is in heaven idea. Make a lot of sense. Because it could have been 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Where he was waiting for one bus. And he's three blocks away from where he's. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, yeah, he's stupid. That's right.
Starting point is 01:24:38 I forgot that he's done. How did he even get that far? Like, how did he get to Savannah? How did he get anywhere? I mean, he ran across the entire country for three years. he knows where everything is, except the apartment that he has the exact address for. That's five blocks away. All those people stayed at Forrest's mom's bed and breakfast in the middle of fucking nowhere,
Starting point is 01:25:01 Alabama. That place was packed. What was going on there? The lush canopy of the tree line, a lake. Beautiful. Wasn't near anything. Where were these people coming from? It was a long time ago.
Starting point is 01:25:12 You didn't need like a big Wi-Fi signal, you know? Just needed a refuge to run. I have a couple. First one is a little bit of a culture of accountability. I feel like I missed the boat as a child from... I didn't ever use gump as a verb, and I feel like we really missed out as a society, so you could use it in two different ways.
Starting point is 01:25:33 One would be for premature ejaculation, so you could be like, Gary almost lost his virginity last night, but he just gumped out right after he got past second base. That would have been great. Also, just anybody running from a stressful situation? like, oh man, we were about to get in a fight with a bunch of Cowboys fans last night, but then Gary just gumped.
Starting point is 01:25:52 He straight up bumped out the bar. So I feel like we couldn't use that. But the one that I'm really concerned about was, do you think that Forrest's mom was like, if you had told me you were going to turn into Debo Samuel, I may not have had sex with that principle because we probably could have put you in like IMG Academy, like right? Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 01:26:14 Great one. Great one. You have any shot? Yeah. You already pointed out that it's insane that Forrest's mother allowed him to enlist in the military after graduating from college at that time. And he was an only child.
Starting point is 01:26:31 That was apparently also another thing. With a 75 IQ and they're like, you should definitely go to war. And then on top of that, how long was he in Vietnam? Oh, I had that as my next one. So he meets JFK because he's in the All-America team and it has to be the 1962 team. because JFK died the next year.
Starting point is 01:26:49 Basic training. Vietnam. We know Bubba dies in 1965 because you see it on his gravestone. And I have no idea what happens from 1965 to 1974. He plays ping pong. For nine years for the military?
Starting point is 01:27:04 Yeah. A lot of ping pong. Can they do that? A lot of ping pong. I don't want to make this... I don't want to make this movie longer, but it feels like there's one... Like, he could have been like a roadie for the Rolling Stones for two years. Oh, that's a good idea. That's a great one.
Starting point is 01:27:18 Taught Mick Jagger to dance. Maybe that's where all the oral sex tootelage happens is. 65 to 74. Just two a days. Are we okay with every Louisiana boat getting destroyed in Hurricane Carmen except the Jenny boat? Not super newly, no. Yeah. It's a plet hole.
Starting point is 01:27:43 Sort of forces you to wonder if Forrest just like was okay maintaining a monopoly. on the shrimping business? Did he offer any of those people jobs? Oh, that's a good point. It's very strange, actually, if you think about it. Supports your would-be-canceled idea, too. Forest destroyed everyone else. Why couldn't Jenny meet one nice guy?
Starting point is 01:28:06 Not one? Well. Nobody like... But that's the story, right? She comes from an abusive household, so she's seeking... She's some rich guy in 1975, and that's it. She moves to Derryan, Connecticut, and has a couple kids, and we're done.
Starting point is 01:28:19 Couldn't happen for her. Poor Jenny. Here's a nitpick. Once Forrest gets rich, he's getting ripped off immediately. I mean, that's like, come on. He's the biggest target who's ever been rich. Nobody has to bother ripping him off
Starting point is 01:28:36 because he just keeps giving his money away. Right. Well, Lieutenant Dan, he's just like, here, take my money. He's like, I've got some Apple stock, and it actually worked out, but there's 10 terrible versions of that. I don't understand how he got Apple stock before Apple was a company.
Starting point is 01:28:49 I had a question about this. This is a picking knit. I can't like when tenant Dan did that. Do you think like Dan was on the message boards? Just like, oh, yeah. That's an unanswerable question. Jobs really got something cooking in the garage. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:00 He went to high school with Wasniak. I thought Apple was around the mid. Was it around the mid-70s? Anybody know? Yeah, but it didn't go public. How would you buy stock in a company that doesn't go public until 1982? This is a movie where someone jogged for three years
Starting point is 01:29:13 to go straight. Here's a nitpick just for Chris. we needed Lieutenant Dan to throw a forest a bachelor party where things got a little nuts 100% Yeah
Starting point is 01:29:24 Like one of his magic legs He's just missing the next day Yeah It's like Where's my right magic legs Just for a whole time's sake The wedding's almost canceled Lenores pops out of a cake
Starting point is 01:29:35 Yeah Bill did you consciously pick movies for this cold weather tour That involved people with severed limbs And prosthetics No this is the last one Thank God, yeah It's two nights in a row
Starting point is 01:29:45 Just realized All right so I don't know if it's a nitpick or if it's an unanswerable question, but why did... We talked about how evil of an act was for Jenny to leave. But why did she leave? She can't break him. She doesn't want to hurt him because she knows that she's...
Starting point is 01:30:01 Wait a couple weeks, or maybe she finds out she's pregnant. And that she leaves the next day. She's like, I got to... No. Well... That's the thing. I mean, Forrest is not the father. Bang. I mean, he's not the father.
Starting point is 01:30:16 I feel like I literally... on Lori right now. Yeah. Yeah. Has this not occurred to anyone else sitting here? Oh, no, of course. It is right at the moment when she's dying, that she calls up her rich moron,
Starting point is 01:30:30 childhood friend. And she's like, I really need somebody to look after this kid. Maybe it's the guy who's worth $500 million will help out. So I would say good theory, except when they're watching TV together, they really look alike. You don't think she's coached that kid?
Starting point is 01:30:46 She could have been like. She could have been like, look, he's going to walk over to the TV. Just kind of like mirror. Just tell your head. Also, the name on his birth certificate is like, Dan. It's not Forrest.
Starting point is 01:30:56 And then she ex post factoed it. Yeah. No? See, this is the Jets. This is the Jets. This isn't you. Deep down, you don't believe this. All right.
Starting point is 01:31:08 Why didn't Forrest get what Jenny had? Yeah. The grim conversation, but we're all friends here. I think we should have it. That's why you guys came out to talk STDs. Let's put it on the table.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Why not, Mal? Well, so there are a couple timeline variables to consider, right? So we have the, is it HIV? Is it hepatitis C? Chris and I did have a conversation earlier today
Starting point is 01:31:34 where we debated whether it was smart and or safe to Google on our work computers. Is hepatitis C sexually transmitted? We decided not to do that. We figured we'd just like workshop it live here right now.
Starting point is 01:31:49 We just like sort of nap people at the Navy Yard. It was just like just get on the street it. Question for you. But either she already has whatever she has before they sleep together, in which case, Forrest Jr., they're at risk. Or she doesn't. She contracts it later, which means are we supposed to assume that Jenny is still shooting heroin and sharing needles after she has a newborn?
Starting point is 01:32:15 that's like very depressing. All right, just to get grim here for a second. She dies... Just to get grim? Like, that wasn't grim? No, I thought I'd take it up a notch. She dies in March 1982, which is nine months after the first recorded AIDS case.
Starting point is 01:32:31 So it's still a mystery. Hot take, maybe she just had a virus. Maybe. I think if you're Zemeckis and you're making this movie and you have your character say out loud, it's a virus. They don't know what it is or how to treat it, and that's the time frame. You know what your audience is going to assume.
Starting point is 01:32:48 Hot take, maybe the filmmakers fucked it up and they didn't research when everything started. It was like, oh, yeah, it was around then, and then they just, that was what they did. The movie is literally about key dates in American history. That would be a bummer. Any other pick-and-knits? Got a couple quick ones.
Starting point is 01:33:07 Yeah, do it. Has Forrest Gump ever considered closing the blinds in his hotel room? It's not just that he's involved in Watergate. It's then he calls and he's like, they're keeping me up. It's like, close your fucking drinks. Yeah. Then you wouldn't see the light. It's shocking.
Starting point is 01:33:24 And then we would have gotten more Nixon. That would have been sick. Yeah. What did you do, Forrest? I think the fact that Forrest names the shrimp boat Jenny instead of Bubba is outrageous. This is Bubba's dream. He couldn't honor his friend. sure he's honoring him by like seeing through the promise
Starting point is 01:33:44 that's fine. He gave him half the fortune. His family. He gave him a boat. Bubba. It's Bubba's dream. What did Jenny do for that dream? Never write him a letter? Yeah. She took off her shirt. One time. Sequel, prequel, prestige TVL, blackcast
Starting point is 01:34:04 are untouchable. I'm not against prestige for this. A prestige for us. I'm not against it? I'm not against it. I got to be a bit of choice. I'm not against it. I got to be completely. What streamer? What streamer are you putting it on? Probably a failing one. Feels peacock-ish.
Starting point is 01:34:21 Sorry. Can I throw something at you? Are they here? Could be. Yeah. Mr. and Miss Peacock are right there. So we didn't do recasting couch, but I can fold it into this category. I didn't. I missed one. Yeah, sorry. What if we are living a sequel to Forrest Gump,
Starting point is 01:34:40 and Forrest Gump is being played by Travis Kelsey? And this is the way we get the Oscars back is when we realize this is all a Truman show, right? And the last year has been a movie. And then that gets nominated for Best Picture and beats Oppenheimer's special dispensation. So recasting couch, Travis Kelsey is forest gun. Yes.
Starting point is 01:35:04 He saves us from coronavirus, wins multiple Super Bowls, dates Taylor Swift, pushes like a dubious credit card on us. Like, whatever it is he's up to. and has a podcast. I love it. It's the modern man. Great one.
Starting point is 01:35:23 Great one. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Catherine Hyne, Steve Booth-Scheming, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays,
Starting point is 01:35:40 or Philip Baker Hall. I definitely, we talked a little bit about Byron and what he could participate in in this film. I think he would do some great work. I think Danny Treo would be an amazing addition to the Vietnam squad. But if Wayne Jenkins have been coaching Alabama,
Starting point is 01:35:57 teams work, man. I'll tell you what, the United States are forces. Yeah, you're in the mid-alysis. You really channeled the power of Wayne. Wait, Wayne was the special teams coach at Alabama? Is that okay? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:35 Just one Oscar. Who gets it? Hanks or Zemeckis? Thanks. Okay. I agree. Probably needs to be questions. So many.
Starting point is 01:36:43 I'm glad about a forest and football. Yes. Best weight kick returner ever, Forrest. Unbelievable. It's like every time he had the ball, 100 yards. Where do you think he finished in the Heisman voting? Because this was really the era where there was like a huge gap typically between the first and second place finisher. So I, because on me, I researched this.
Starting point is 01:37:04 Stolbach won in 63. You think he's second behind? Staubach? There were no receivers or kick returners on the All-American team. Oh. They took some liberties.
Starting point is 01:37:14 They did have the NFL and the NFL back then. So we had two football leagues and I find it impossible to believe that he wasn't drafted in one of those leagues. Like, it's impossible.
Starting point is 01:37:24 He's Devin Hester times 10. Yeah. Somebody, there's 30 teams. Corderole Patterson. Bruiser, physical runner. Yeah, just imagine what Shanny could do, just putting him into some concepts, you know?
Starting point is 01:37:35 He is on two. Bear Bryant title teams based on this timeline. I guess I go to nom. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. He was so good, the whole section held up stop signs.
Starting point is 01:37:47 That's how many times he scored a touchdown. They had to tell him the stop. We forgot to point out, though, in picking Nitz, that whenever they hand him the ball on the kickoffs, that it's an illegal forward pass. Oh, that's fair.
Starting point is 01:37:59 It's true. So the jogging scene that's reprehensible. Where did a... Forrest says I'm done. I'm going to... to go home now. Where did everyone else go? They're like, we follow this fucking idiot. Montana?
Starting point is 01:38:13 Where are I, we're 20 miles from a hotel? You're going to stop here? They're just in the middle of some highway. I believe they're in Arizona, right? And so he's so close to the West Coast at that point. It's like, just see it through. Do it one more time. Right? Get to California. You have an unanswerable course?
Starting point is 01:38:29 Yeah. What's up with everybody he comes into contact with either dies or gets maimed, including all of the presidents? Well, Nixon didn't die, but eventually he did. But it just seems like he has like this trail of death that follows behind him. I don't know what's going on with that. So there's a more sinister movie lurking underneath Forrest Gump.
Starting point is 01:38:50 Look, if you shot this movie from Jenny's perspective, it's much different. This guy shows up three times in her life, beats the shit out of her boyfriends, ejaculates prematurely, and then gets her pregnant. Yeah. Like, that's fucking crazy. Are you saying that actually the demon in her life was not her father, but Forrest Gump? That would be an amazing, now that's our prestige show. It's called Jenny. It's the Jenny Gump story.
Starting point is 01:39:19 Pacific Heights version of this? It's like the guy next door and he's just like, okay, Forrest, whatever, man. Vinyl Season 2? Is this your backdoor pilot for vinyl season 2? Just a lot of cocaine? There's a whole, is this a conservative movie thing that developed in the midnight? from this. In 1995, National Review included
Starting point is 01:39:40 Gump as one of its best 100 conservative movies, and it's still ranked number four right now. I don't really understand this, and I'm going to make this an unanswerable. Or maybe we just move on. Let me just show the dichotomy
Starting point is 01:40:00 that anybody can claim this movie. So within five minutes of the movie, there's a scene in which an active and awarded military service man speaks to an anti-war protest group and is applauded and then meets the love of his life in the pond. And then, like, five minutes later,
Starting point is 01:40:20 he's beating the absolute shit out of a democratic socialist in front of the Black Panthers. So you could say this movie is all things to all people. Yeah. Good answer. Any other answers?
Starting point is 01:40:38 Because I got one more. Did this movie invent deep fakes? Yeah. That's good. Yes. You think so? Wow. Conceptually, at least?
Starting point is 01:40:49 Man, you guys didn't expect this pot to go to this dark, huh? I know. What do you have, ma'am? So the scrapbook that Jenny makes, the clippings, I'm assuming everyone goes frame-by-frame, freeze-frame, to read some of these headlines. one of the small ones is investigation of Gump
Starting point is 01:41:07 to continue in hometown What? What is that about? Dark Gump! This is what I'm saying? It's sitting right there for us. That's like unbelievable. And then there's a lot, like, so there's really intriguing, serious, sinister stuff like that, and then it's just juxtapose against an inquire our headline.
Starting point is 01:41:26 Go-Go Dancer says, Forrest Gump made me his secret lover. And then there's a little photo of Forrest, And the banner that says, I don't know her. So he's like the proto-Clinton. I just thought of the running and the dark Gump. Like, it's basically Ted Bundy and Gump. Gump's running the country, but he's also a serial killer.
Starting point is 01:41:49 Yeah. Maybe that's the prestige thing. We get some like... Directed by David Fincher. Some slate columns about the run where it's like, what's he running from? The dark truth about behind Gump's endless run. All right. last one for me
Starting point is 01:42:05 just because we have to Cruz versus Hanks has been a big big battle for us what is this movie like if Tom Cruise played Forrest Gump well you would love the running scene well yeah exactly that's why I brought it up
Starting point is 01:42:26 every scene of of Gump running goes up five levels and by the way there's no fucking Jim Hanks as a stunt double Cruz is doing all the jogging scenes and I think he's hanging off the shrimp boat Fantasy, what do you think
Starting point is 01:42:43 if it's Cruz plays gum and Kubrick comes in to direct the first section? I mean, we all saw the magic between him and Jennifer Connolly on that bed in Top Gun Maverick. Imagine what he could do with Robin Wright in that scene prematurely ejaculating. It's got Cruz written all over it.
Starting point is 01:43:00 It's a funnier movie with Cruz. Is it? It is for me. Any other an answer from else? Okay. Best double feature choice for this movie.
Starting point is 01:43:11 What do you got, Sean? I mean, I think Back to the Future shows you the genius at Robert Zemeckis. I feel like these two movies together are great. I have castaway.
Starting point is 01:43:22 Yeah. Because the Zemechus and Hanks of it all. Or so you could do Caste Beards. Wonderful beard. Or you could do the water boy.
Starting point is 01:43:31 The water boy. Great call. I honestly can't talk that. That's so good. Great stuff. Can I point out one thing, though? There's a movie coming out this year called Here, directed by Robert Zemeckis,
Starting point is 01:43:45 starring Tom Hanks and Robin Wright, written by Eric Roth, shot by Don Burgess, who shot Forrest Gump. It's a reunion of everyone, the critical people who made this movie. The movie is based on a graphic novel that takes place in one corner of a house over millions of years.
Starting point is 01:44:03 each panel is a different image of that space in a period in time. And somehow, this will be a movie starring Jenny and Forrest. Wow. I'm in. Which is kind of what Forrest Gump is about. Yeah, I love it. Can't wait until 2025. Too long, Bill Simmons, Ringer.
Starting point is 01:44:23 Sounds kind of awful. The Indian Red Zawantene Award for what happened the next day. I have Forrest Jr. ends up creating Facebook. Yeah. And eventually it becomes the bane of our existence. I like this. Yeah? I think Lieutenant Dan opens a hedge fund
Starting point is 01:44:45 and eventually is the inspiration for billions. Oh. That's great. Magic legs, LLC. Chris, what piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Easy. The seat pad from Lieutenant Dan's wheelchair. Oh. Oh. What a choice. Sean?
Starting point is 01:45:04 That'd be... sanitized before you took possession or the original must just come on okay uh like braces so I had
Starting point is 01:45:13 I really like the gum Mao table tennis set yeah yeah just be an amazing thing to bring out of party you get a flex a light paddle paddle all you got 25K for that
Starting point is 01:45:22 fake magazines like the Fortune magazine the Playboy is good the Jenny's scrapbook would be the original scrapbook would be unbelievable yeah
Starting point is 01:45:29 and then obviously the shrimp boat I can't believe I don't where I put it I can't believe you didn't pick the mud-caked Nike Cortez. You love a pair of Nike Cortez. Yeah, all right, that's the winner. How is your Mao memorabilia room going? That would be my first one.
Starting point is 01:45:45 All right, we're almost done. The coach Finstock will wear a best life lesson. You can believe in destiny and luck? See, yeah, I got profound. You guys didn't expect that one. No, you leaned forward, and everyone thought you were going to make another premature ejaculation joke. I thought one more. was coming. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:10 He's going to do it again, Jim. Who wins the movie? Hanks. Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks. You guys agree with the Hanks? That's it. We're out of categories. This was great. It was good to be in D.C. I promise we're going to come back. We love D.C.
Starting point is 01:46:33 It's really fun to come back. I don't know what the next movie will be, but we'll be back. this has always been for me a fun spot. Did a couple book tours here. We had great showings, and this was a great showing as well. So thanks for coming. On behalf of these, wacky three and the Rubin family.
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