The Rewatchables - ‘Furious 7’ With Bill Simmons and Shea Serrano

Episode Date: March 30, 2020

It’s never goodbye when The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Shea Serrano fire up the 2015 action thriller ‘Furious 7,’ the seventh installment in the ‘Fast & Furious’ franchise, starring Vin Diesel, Paul Walker, and Michelle Rodriguez. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's been a lot without you, my friend. And I'll tell you all about it when I'm sure. see you again we've come along from where we began oh I'll tell you All right, Shea Serrano is here The five year anniversary of Fast and Furious

Seven, which is now called Fast Seven. The movie studio wanted to call it Furious Seven, but the fans basically decided it was going to be Fast Seven. I saw this movie early April 2015 at the LA Live theaters near the Grant Land

offices. It was about five weeks before I left DSPN. went at like probably one o'clock in the afternoon on a Friday. Tried not to read anything about how they handled Paul Walker's tragic death. He died halfway through the filming. Didn't know what to expect. Had heard rumors that it was super emotional. I went with Rief Bartholomew and I think Mark Lassanti. Pack theater.

The ending comes. It is so much more emotional than any of us expected. People are crying in the theater. I'm sitting next to two guys that I've worked with for, a few years. We're like biting our lips. We're glassy-eyed. We're trying not to cry. We stumble out of the theater and we're like, okay, man, I'll see you later. Have a good weekend. And we just get the hell out of there. And it is the most emotional experience I've had in a theater, at least this century. Where did you see it and how did it play out? I also saw it at the theater,

the day that it came out. Larry Me and I, we were living in Houston at the time, and we rarely ever get babysitters. I just don't like somebody who I don't know taking care of my kids. But when this movie came out and her family couldn't come, I was like, I don't get someone off Craigslist. I don't care who it is. We need to be at the theater when this comes. And it was a, it was the same thing. Laramie didn't really pay any attention to the Fast and the Fear's movie. She saw one or two and then was like, you got it from here. She went with me to this one. And we were both at the end, same as you. I just couldn't believe how perfectly they stuck that landing. Yeah. Every every single part of it, you're just like, Jesus Christ.

We're all in there crying, like for real crying. I've only cried, cried in the movies a handful of times in my entire life where, like, I get watery eyed all the time, but where tears are actually coming down. And that was, this was one of those instances, both of us, too. She hadn't seen a Fast and Furious movie in like seven years. And still, she didn't even know maybe that Paul Walker had died before we had gone into the thing. And we're just watching it. We're like, Jesus, this is, this is tough.

Yeah, and it's weird because, you know, we have a lot of people in our lives. We have athletes in our lives. We have actors. We have musicians, politicians, writers, whoever. When Paul Walker died, he was just, you know, he was the rock of the Fast and Furious movies, not The Rock, but The Rock, because he was in really all of them, except for, what was the one that he wasn't in? Tokyo Drift. Fast, yeah, Tokyo Drift. But, you know, he was the Keanu Reeves.

character. He was, as we've discussed, we did Fast 5 in this podcast. We did the first movie on this. It was basically point break with cars. But over the course of four, five, six, it became the James Bond franchise for, you know, the 21st century, the diversity of the cast and the diversity of the audiences that love this movie, it just kind of kept growing and growing and growing. And Fast 5, I still think is the best action movie of the 21st century. Fast 6, super satisfying. Everybody's ready for Fast 7. And you get this news, Paul Walker dies.

This guy, there weren't a lot of Paul Walker conversations. We just all liked them, but it wasn't like, if I had said to you, let's do an entire podcast about Paul Walker, you'd have been like, why, what happened? And then he dies and the ripples it had in the community of the fans that, like, truly love this movie. I mean, it was unbelievable. And then people start wondering, well, wait a second, how are they going to finish? They're not going to finish the movie.

And then it's like, no, actually, they take a break from the filming. And then they're like, we think we can finish this movie. My reaction was like, this is a mistake. This is, you're actually doing Paul Walker to service. I don't like any of this. I don't think this will work. I wish you guys would just cancel the movie.

Do you remember where your reaction was when you heard they were going to continue filming? Yeah, I was nervous because, as you mentioned, he's, he's, Dominic is the central character in the films. He's the, you know, he's the gravity of it. But, but Brian is the one that makes it accessible to everybody. Paul Walker had this really unique ability that I think nobody realized until he had passed away was he's, he's this incredibly handsome guy. And oftentimes when a movie star is that handsome, you feel like there's no way this person would ever want to hang out. I never got the sense that George Clooney would hang out with me.

Right. You know what I'm saying? But with Paul Walker, he just was so kind-eyed and gentle all the time. He seemed like, oh, this guy would come to my house and, like, play video games with me for two hours. You know what I'm saying? And so when he passed away, it's like, I don't know. I don't know how you can't replace the energy, first of all, so you can't do that. I don't know what do we do here.

How do we handle this situation? And fortunately, they were smart enough to pick. pin down all of those parts in the exact right way? Not a phenomenal actor, but an exceptionally likable actor. And somebody that, you know, he died at a stage in his career when the fast movies were going to keep going on, you know, for as long as, as long as the audience is going to come out for them. But, you know, I also, I think he had potential.

Like, could he have been John Wick? You know, Keanu already had that thing in motion. but he did have the potential to create a different kind of franchise. And I don't think there's a lot of actors like him. I actually think Chris Evans has this quality too, where you're just kind of like, he seems like a normal guy. Yeah.

I like him. And Chris Evans is somebody that he's kind of been all over the map. I don't know if he's always picked the right movies, but he's been in a bunch of good ones. I think Chris Pine's another one when we did the rewatchables with Tarantino, and he was talking about how much he liked Chris Pine. and how unstoppable Chris Pine, the movie Unstoppable with Denzel,

he was like, Chris Pine, I just wish he had made more movies like that. And I think that's somebody that in a different world could have potentially been Brian in the fast movies. But I still feel like Paul Walker and Keanu, just something about them. There's a likability. There's a little bit of unintentional comedy,

like in some of the dramatic scenes. The action scenes are completely believable. and I just was not prepared for the outpouring. So they start making this movie. They're halfway through. He dies on November 30th, 2013. They decide to rewrite a bunch of the script. At this point, they have the early basis of the technology

that now, if this happened in 2020, with the deep fake stuff they have, with the stuff that Scorsese used in the Irishman, they would have pretty easily been able to replicate him in all these different scenes. In 2014, not as easy. And Peter Jackson had a visual effects house called Weta Digital that was able to recreate Walker's face from previous stuff they'd shot. He had two brothers, which was fortunate for this, Caleb and Cody, that they used as stand-ins. Physically, they apparently looked a lot like him.

and the final version of the film showed Walker's face superimposed over the bodies of his brothers or an actor named John Brotherton who's the white guy with the crew cut that works for Mr. Nobody. The face is superimposed and 350 visual effect shots,

260 used a computer-generated face and 90 used repurposed actual footage of Walker's face. And I got to say, the first time I saw the movie, it was pretty seamless. There was only maybe two or three moments where I was like, oh, that didn't totally look real. Now you watch it on at home and I know we both watch it over and over again. It still worked pretty well.

Are you shocked how well they were able to pull this off six, seven years ago? Yeah, because I had no idea that they had done that. When I watched it in the movie theater, his face is 15 feet tall. I didn't catch it. Even when I watch it now, I'm still trying to like see the edge of. of it, like that final scene where he's looking out of his car window at Dom, and I'm trying

to like, this has to be one of the fake scenes. I don't know the rest of the movie, but I know this one has to be one of the fake ones, and I just can't see it. It's unbelievable how well they did it. Usually you can tell, but I don't know. I couldn't tell. So that scene you talked about,

I was going to do this in half-fast internet research, but that was a deleted scene from a previous movie. I think it was a deleted scene from Fast 5. That was a deleted scene from Fast 5. And they basically just use the same things, change the dialogue

a little bit, and we're able to make it. Because if you've watched Fast 7 a bunch of times like we have, it's a scene that doesn't totally make sense, but it fits the kind of the blueprint of the fast movies where every movie has to have one emotional scene with every movie has to have one emotional scene with Vin and Paul Walker.

So they felt like they had to obey that. But all of it worked. And I'm with you. They kept it really quiet how much CGI they did and how much special effects. They were really purposeful about not letting any of that go out. I remember because we were doing Grelin at the time and I really wanted us to do a story about how did they do this and there was no information. They shut everything down.

and now after a few years we know a lot more about how they did it I've still never seen the documentary or the behind the scenes footage of how they did it and I'm not sure I really want to either new director for this one James Wan replaced

Justin Lin, friend of the podcast who basically at the end of Fast 6 um Han Han going away at the end was kind of the way Justin Lynn was going to say farewell to the franchise. Ironically, he is now back for Fast 9.

But James Wan was a horror director. $190 million budget grossed over $1.5 billion. Most successful fast movie ever. Ninth highest grossing movie ever. Third highest 2015 film. And wouldn't you say a big piece of that was words, started a spread about how great they wrapped up the Paul Walker thing. In a weird way, it became an advantage for the movie, and I'm fine with that. But don't you think that helped the most here?

Yeah, that helped a ton. It was very similar to what happened with Fast 5. By the way, I have never in my life called this Fast 7. I don't know. What do you call it? I call it Furious 7. Every time you say it, it sounds weird in my, in my ear. So you go fast. You call it Furious 7. I call it Area 7 like they intended for it to be called. But this was a similar thing that we saw happen with Fast 5 because they did part 1. They did Tokyo Drift. They did Too Fastly and Furious. And it was starting to sputter out like on a global scale.

It felt like if part 4 comes and you're like maybe they got the pieces back because they brought Dom back into the thing. And then by the time Fast 5 came, people were kind of like, I don't know. I don't know about this franchise anymore. And then you slowly started to hear how good it was. oh my god this is an incredible movie you have to watch it and this yeah like you're like you're like you're saying the same sort of thing happened with with furious seven you just started to see people get pulled into it if for no other reason then to watch how they wrap that part up because it's impossible to watch that scene to watch the way that they we see brian uh playing with his his kid

on the on the on the on the beach um with his wife and then we see them drive off together and we have dom talking and we've got these zoom in shots of everybody sort of watching it happen and it's just so you can just pull it up at any point in the middle of whatever you're doing and you watch it and it gets you they just it's I never thought fucking whiz Khalifa would make me cry but I hear I hear it come on like oh god this hurts so fast for they rejuvenated the franchise we have not done fast four in the watchables yet we will at some point okay fast five is just stupendous it's such a good movie it's so great we broke all of it down. The franchise peaks in every conceivable

way. It's got the salute me familiar speech. It's got everybody. Nobody's died yet. It has some incredible action scenes. It has the rock showing up. It has a 15 to 20 minute ending that is as good as any fast scene

ever. Fast 6. I saw that ironically in your neck of the woods, San Antonio. at that point, you knew it was going to be the Bond franchise. It was whenever they released this movie, it's going to be massive. And I remember I was there for the 2013 finals. And it was games three, four, and five were in San Antonio. And we were there for nine days.

I was doing NBA countdown. Seeing Fast Six in the theater might have been my highlight of that week. We saw it on a Friday night. in one of those theaters with the great chairs. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that more than anything that happened in game three or four or five. I can't remember. I worked all those games.

I was high-count-down. I can't remember any of the details of any of those games, but I remember everything about Fast Six. So then Fast Seven, you know, we're like, all right, they're just going to be making these every two years. Paul Walker dies. They're able to rejuvenate the franchise. The other interesting thing about this movie,

The Rock's not in it that much. He had a, filming conflict with Hercules because once the filming got moved back, as you know, the Rock likes to make 12 movies a year. So his schedule, he just couldn't get out of the Hercules thing.

So they had to rewrite that stuff on the fly, which is why he gets hurt early. And then we really don't see him again for an hour, 15 minutes. And then he comes back at the end. So that's story behind that. Filming locations, L.A., Colorado, Atlanta, the Dominican Republic, Abu Dhabi, Tokyo.

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Back to this one. Before we get to the categories, I just wanted to give you the plot. It's completely absurd. And I want your thoughts. Here's the plot. Dom and his crew returned to the United States after securing amnesty for their past crimes, living normal lives until Deckerd Shaw, a rogue special forces assassin seeking to avenge his comatose brother, declares war on the team.

Let's just cover this now. Amnesty for their past crimes, which were a lot of crimes. Are you okay with this plot loophole? This is not a loophole. What's the loophole? What's the loophole? They got amnesty. I'm asking you.

If you save the world, you can come back to America. That's fine. So you're saying by saving the world at the end of Fast 6, the U.S. government looks at that and goes, okay, we're good. Yeah. Fresh start. If they were going to let the astronauts from Armagedda not pay taxes for the rest of their lives, sure. Dom can come back to California.

What do you think like the first two months are like as they're back? maybe a little party like reconnect made this does Brian get back into his old fantasy league now that he's allowed to be with his friends

like how normal are we talking here when we say living normal lives they go straight into it it's free tuna sandwiches at the shop for everybody

we got a house party at Dom's what's what's wild to me is that when we see them and they're living their normal lives they have at this point tens of millions of dollars

hundreds of millions of dollars between them probably And they could have been wherever. They went right back to the normal neighborhood. Like, that's just everything was totally normal for them. They're fine. They're fine. I feel like they at least should have moved into the gated community that Magic Johnson,

Mark Wahlberg and Sam Jackson lived in. With the amount of money they absconded from Brazil with alone, they could have at least had a security guard where they lived. I would love for Mark Wahlberg to be out on a walk and he runs into Dominic Torretto. And they're both just there with their sleeveless shirts looking at each other. Oh, how many times do you think Mark Wahlberg has kicked the tires about maybe sneaking into this franchise? He's probably on a phone call right now trying to figure out. Yeah, it's like, hey, does Mr. Nobody have a brother that I can play?

I just come on in. He must have been so mad when the John Cena thing happened. Oh, absolutely. He's probably like, I'm right here. What are you guys doing? I'm a better actor. All right. Let's get to the categories.

Most rewatchable scene, I only picked four, and I am more than happy to have you chime in after we get through these four. But I try to narrow it down because these four are so good. It's really hard to consider any others, but I'll give you the floor after we're done. First one, State them versus the Rock. So the Rock is working at night. It's the emptiest FBI office, probably ever. There's not even like a custodian vacuuming. It's just, it's completely dark.

It's just desks, empty desks after empty desk. I don't know what time of night it is. And Elena's there from Fast 5. She's working with The Rock. Still, new haircut, looks great. Still a little hurt. Still a little hurt about how Fast 6 played out with Dom going back to Letty. You can see it in her eyes.

It's a little awkward with her on the Rock. Okay. She says goodbye. At this point in the movie chronologically, about, what, 15 months pregnant, but not showing it. Okay. Not showing it, not showing the baby at all from Fast Five, but she's 15 to 16 months pregnant. Looks great.

She leaves. The Rock walks through the elevator, comes back, and Statham is at the Rock's computer. You're under arrest? Like I said, I'm here for the team that crippled my brother. There ain't no goddamn team. It was just one man. and he's standing right in front of you. And the Rock's like, okay, I guess I'm going to have to kick the shit out of you.

And they have a really awesome fight. That includes the rock doing the rock bottom move, his wrestling move. Yes, yes. And then there's a grenade, things blow up, and Hobbs and Elena go flying out the window. I would say six stories, five stories, six stories, how many stories? Five or six stories, easy, easy. land on a car, they're both fine. And that whole scene, that four minutes is really great.

I would like your thoughts. Okay. So I also agree this is an incredible scene. I do have a few things that I wanted to ask you about. Because we know at this point that Dominic Tyrell, Vin Diesel and the Rock are not good friends. No. That's what it is. They don't like each other.

Now, the part that you mentioned here, where. the rock saves Elena, grabbing a hold of her. They go busting out the window, slam into the car. This, to me, seemed very much a rip-off of what Dom did with Lettie in part six when he crashes on the bridge, jumps into the air, catches her out of the air, and then lands on a car. They do the air. It's almost the exact same thing. And I'm wondering, is this a situation where the rock is like, it's time for me to start

splitting apart. I'm going to start sowing the seeds here. I need to, like is this a little, a little, like a little poke in the eye for Van Diesel, this particular scene. So you're saying there's some Durant Westbrook, 2015 range. People start wondering if they're going to have their own team soon, kind of maneuvering here. Exactly. That's exactly what this is. Where nobody's saying it, but we're going to do one or two little things that you can look back on and go, oh, oh, I get it. I see where this was. That had to have been a fight. I can't imagine,

Dominic Toretto saw that scene, saw the rock do that thing, and he wasn't like, what the fuck is going on? That's my thing. I do that. That's my thing. You know what I'm saying? You're on my corner. I land on cars. I save women and I land on cars.

And here's the rock doing that thing. It's an incredible fight scene. There are only a few people in the world who you can have fight the rock. And it makes sense, which is why we started getting all of these movies where it was like the rock versus giant animals or the rock. or The Rock versus a skyscraper because we just ran out of people. But Jason Statham, top level fight confidence on a movie screen. Yeah. Watching those two go back and forth, you never got the sense that The Rock was letting up.

You're like, oh, shit, this is a real, this is a dog fight right here. It's so much fun to watch them do what they do. Like, The Rock is not a great actor. Statham is pretty good. Statham is like genuinely a pretty good actor. Yeah. The Rock is not. He's just a rock.

And the rock, I'm going to get to this later. The rock dials it up in this movie. Yes. And if it was like my podcast mic right now, Craig would be in my, producer Craig would be in my ear going, hey man, can you turn that down from like seven to five? Unfortunately, the rock had nobody in his ear to tell him that.

But this is a great scene. I also like, anytime the rock's fighting anybody in these movies, you know, he's a solid six three. And he's probably 260, 280 pounds, whatever he is. So they always have to use inventive camera angles to make it seem like it's a fair fight. He's got to have five, six inches on Statham, I'm guessing. But the way they shoot this seems like it's a little more equal. I'm going to do a little adet.

I know I promise four, but since you brought up the Rock versus Van Diesel, I don't know if this is a most rewatchable scene, but I did want to mention they throw the scene where Dom goes to the hospital to visit the rock. And at that point, there's so much. hatred between the two guys in real life. You can kind of feel it in the seed. It's like, hey, what's up, bold buddy? But there's just no warmth at all. Would you have even kept that scene in? Yeah, I think you need that in there. Because you have to have, you have to have the rock handing off the information to Dom. He's the only person who could, who could get. It doesn't

make sense if he gives it to, to Brian. And then you need the whole, my official answer is stand down, but my unofficial brother, brother answer is fucking kill him. It's like you guys are brother to brothers. You guys don't even like each other. I think if we were advising Chris Morgan, who I think has written all these movies, I think we would have advised him to lean into the real life rock Dom tension in these scenes. And like, Dom should come in and be like, so you broke your harm, huh? I've never broken a bone in a fight. Or like he's, there's like a little alpha dog shit going on even as he's seeming supportive. I wish they had thrown that stuff in.

The second scene, I would say this is the most absurd scene in the history of the franchise, except there's another scene coming later that's even most absurd. It's also phenomenal. I don't know what you call it when, because they've done it in almost every movie when Dom and his team, they come as a team to hijack something, whether it's, you know, a giant truck with things, whether it's a truck that's headed for bad things. What do you call that, like a hijack unit? Like, what would be the word for that?

I just, not right now I'm in my head imagining them pitching this movie to the producers. And that's the phrase. They're just like, I don't know, they're going to come in and hijack a truck with things. It's like a hijack, hijack squad, hijack race squad. It's a high crew. It's a mobile high screw. Okay. So they've had a lot of them in this one.

This is the best premise they've ever come up with. They, for reasons that remain unqueer, decide they have to drop these cars from a plane with parachutes and they're all going to land perfectly on the road somehow. Okay, here we go. I have no idea how they did this. The amazing thing is they actually really did this. They didn't do CGI for it. They had a Lockheed C-130 Hercules that carried the vehicles that dropped.

from 12,000 feet high above the sauna in desert making the cars plummet at a speed of up to 130 140 miles an hour. The cameras needed to be mounted on the cars in a way that they wouldn't be destroyed. They performed multiple dry runs

with a single car. Then finally when they did it, they dropped two cars a piece. They put parachutes on them. They used skydivers to film the cars and then just kind of hoped it worked. And apparently

the cars, all the cars landed on their drop zones. 70% landed perfectly and 30% didn't. And then when they actually filmed the part where the cars land and start driving, that was done differently. They just had a pulley system.

They dropped the cars from 6 to 10 feet. They had stuntmen in the driver's seat going like 40 miles an hour and going full speed. And they used cranes for that. They would remove the cranes with CGI. Are you shocked to know that they actually did this and this was not CGI?

I was under the assumption that there was no CGI in this movie at all. I just assumed all of the stunts were real. That was Brian running up a bus. So, no, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. Okay. Well, it leads to, first of all, incredible setup. Then they're on there.

Then they have to do the hijack thing. And then like 15 great things happen. We have, first of all, you have Tyrese who can't land, because he's just flying around. Then finally he shows up at the perfect time. We have Dom and Statham ending up driving each other off a cliff and then driving down the cliff.

Yes. And avoiding trees. And then it's like, oh, no, now we're at the end of the cliff. And they're both like, fuck it. And they keep going and go off the cliff. So they go off the cliff twice. Then we have the whole Paul Walker. He's got to, they have to do the thing.

Nobody better at jumping from one car to another at 80, miles an hour than Brian in these movies. I mean, he really, he's the LeBron of this, right? He leads the league in this particular stat, yeah. Five times, six times he does this over the course of the movies? He does it five or six times in this movie by itself. He got so good that in this one, now he's advanced to where he's throwing other people onto cars, which is what he does with Ramsey. He's like, hey, you got to make this jump. She's like, I can't do this. He's like, yes, the fuck, you can't go and just fucking shoves her onto the car. It's incredible. I can't imagine how terrifying it would be to be standing on top of the hood of a car that's going 80

miles an hour being ready to jump into another car. But then he's getting rammed from behind by the car behind the car. Totally fine. Incredible balance. He's doing whatever he can jumps in, has a great fight scene with the guy from the raid. And that leads to the whole, he gets locked in. The bus starts going off a cliff. It's halfway over. It's dangling. He's got to bust out the window and then come back around. And I got to say, like, in the theater, this whole, everything about this scene is, uh, is all time. And then finally it ends with Dom getting cornered with Ramsey and he's got to turn around and just drive off the cliff. Uh, we have three ridiculous things happen in this movie. In this particular scene, we have the car is getting dropped from a plane. We have Paul Walker somehow

not dying at the end of the bus thing and then running up the back of the bus and jumping. and Letty coming just in time and grabbing him. And then we have Dom flying off the second cliff, which he clearly should have died. Somehow didn't. What was the most absurd part of this scene for you? Okay. One quick thing, before we get into that,

this is not the guy from the raid. When you talk about the guy he fights in the bus, that's Tony Jha, who's from the, like, from Aung Bak, from the protector. The guy from the raid is Eco Weiss. Oh, my bad. I got my movies mixed up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But an incredible movie fighter. Yeah. Brian versus Tony Jaw is an unbelievable moment if you're like big into these action movies. This is the like Kobe LeBron matchup that everybody wanted in their finals that they never got. We got a small version of it here. It's like when they played in the All Star Game. That's what we had to settle for.

When they guard each other for like two minutes in the All-Star game, we're like, oh, this is cool. Yeah. And I love in this scene that they don't kill them. Tony Jaw survives, jumps out, rolls. comes back stands up and he's like all right cool i'm good like this is a very very much of like a handshake or a high five saying you're the man we understand you're better at this than we are so that's great my my single favorite part in this i rewatch this probably like once or twice a month and then i just rewatch it with my youngest son and he's fired up about this movie they do the bus scene where it's

dangling off the cliff brian comes climbing up it and and parkey my son is just freaking out he's screaming he's like make it make it run like he's screaming at the TV. I was so proud. I was so proud. But yeah, my favorite parts, one of my favorite parts in the whole franchise is when he runs up the bus and he jumps and here comes, like you said, Ledy out of nowhere, fish tailing it across the edge of a cliff, like as far off as she can get. Her wheels are on there a quarter of an inch those back wheels maybe. Brian grabs a hold of it.

She whips them over. He falls on the ground. And then she gets out and she looks at him and all she says is you good and he's like thank you and then she just gets it back in the car totally unimpressed with this incredible feat that she has just saw

and participated in letty is unbelievable we talked about the shaw fight Shaw versus the rock like that yeah I think that that's the fourth

best fight in this franchise every every one of those four fights it either has letty in it or the rock in it one of those two she's just unbelievable in like every capacity

We're getting to her later. I have a whole three-minute thing I want to do about her later. Excellent. The bus jump run was actually really done and it was done by a stuntman. Not Paul Walker.

They decided not to have Paul Walker in that scene. But he's actually in this part of the movie. It's not, this was the first part of the movie, so they actually filmed this. All of it's great. And it's long.

This has got to be 10 or 11 minutes. It's really sad. I'm going to ask you in 20 seconds or less, explain why they needed to get Ramsey so badly. They needed the God's eye so that they could find Shaw. That's what the Fats and Furious team needed it. The government just wanted the God's eye because it's the ultimate tracking tool. Boom. Okay.

12 seconds. That was great. But here's the problem. Shaw shows up. So they found him. So why do they need Ramsey? They weren't expecting that. They weren't expecting that.

They were not expecting that. What Shaw is there? It's like, why does Dodd's up? I care about protecting Ramsey so much. How about just kill Shaw, the guy that you were getting Ramsey to go, fine. He's right next to you. Dom doesn't kill people. That's one of the things that Parky mentioned when we were watching it.

Brian throws some guys out of the back of the bus and all of the cars following move out of the way so the guy can just sort of roll to a stop. Yeah. And he's like, why didn't they just run them over? I don't understand. I'm like, because those are the good guys. We don't kill people. Yeah, there's real honor with those guys. The next scene, next rewatchable scene.

And I should mention when you saw this in the movie theater on the giant screen, the cliff stuff and especially Brian hanging off the bus and all that stuff, just was magnificent on the 70-foot screen. So is this scene that I'm about to talk about. I have it written down as... The double building joke. Parsle fly! You have...

First of all, it comes out that Ronda Rouse is in this movie. Yes. And at this point, she's still in her Mike Tyson stage of her career. Yes. Invincible. And it becomes clear when you read about this movie, there might be a fight scene with her and Lettie. We know this is fictional. I'm still about 80% as excited for this as I was for like Tyson Holyfield.

It's like, wow, Lettie's going to go at it with Rousey. Like, say no more. I'm in. So you have, they're in Abu Dhabi. They crashed this fancy party. Lettie's wearing a cocktail dress. It looks spectacular. It looks like she's headed the Oscars.

And at the same time, they're trying to figure out how to get this car. An incredible moment where Dom just lifts up the car that there's only seven versions of that. You got this, right? Cool. And they cut to Dom a couple times, and he looks like he's taking the worst shit he's ever taken it. entire life. He was holding that car up for real. He was for real holding that car out.

It seemed like 10 minutes. I think when you talk about great action movie faces, it's him and Slice Stallone in the finals. For Dom trying to hold something and then Slice Stallone like hanging from a cliff and cliffhanger, same kind of intensity. So we have a great fight scene. We have Statham showing up yet again as they're trying to get God's eye to find Statham.

keep showing up to where they were. Maybe don't have God's eye. Maybe just he's going to keep showing up to find you. And then everything leads to Dom and Brian getting, getting into the car, driving out, and jumping from one building, one glass building to another, landing. There's no brakes. Now they have to go through the second thing. And then the tail end is, is the car spinning out, Brian jumping out. Nobody jumps out of cars better than Brian. Like never, never, never, separated shoulder, never broken wrists. He's just figured out how to land and roll. He's like Barry Sanders.

And then Dom jumps out and is almost, almost out the window and looks down. And it's fucking harrowing. It's so well shot. I'm going to just get to tell you, this would be my runner-up choice for my favorite scene in the movie. Everything about this is immensely satisfying. What would you add? I would add, I'm going to keep coming back to my main girl, Letty, the fight that you mentioned with Ronda Rousey. I was very much in that same camp with you when I heard she was in there.

I'm a big UFC person. So I heard she was in the movie and like, she's going to fight Lettie. They have to. Because in part six, that was the first time we had like a real Lettie fight when she fights Riley. Yeah. The undercut the like bad DSS agent. Gina Carano. Yeah, Gina Carano, who is an unbelievable fighter in movies. And we, they have two separate fights in there. The one in the like subway stationery where she tackles where Letty tackles are down the stairs, which I think that's the single best fight we've ever gotten in the franchise. It's either that or the Rocket versus Vin Diesel from five. But you knew going in, you're going to watch this fight.

So you're just super fucking pumped about it. And it was everything you were wanting it to be. They do the great thing where at the very end, when they both fall off the balcony and crash into the piano, it's like a 20-foot drop. And they hit it. And if you watch it, Letty, Michelle Rodriguez, is. She just makes the best face that it absolutely looks like. If you've ever got your wind knocked out of you, this is the perfect face.

She makes it seamlessly. I'm like, oh, my God, this is, I just love, love this so much. This is also my runner-up scene. It's not my favorite scene, but because of that fight and because of the, like, absurdity of this building to building jump, just at these three giant buildings out of nowhere. I love it. I love it. You know, I just thought of this as you were talking about the scene.

And there's been a lot of great. fight scenes and action movies over the air. You have two dressed up attractive women going at it. I don't know if that's happened in another action movie, right? Like, they're both dressed. This is like if this happened on the Oscars red carpet. Whatever party is going on in Abu Dhabo, it's basically like an Oscars red carpet type of party. It's a weird wrinkle to throw in, but it really works.

Because, and I couldn't tell, I forgot to look if they're wearing like high heels. heels. I assume not. They're probably the, I don't think they could do a lot of those stunts if they were. I think they, I think in the movie they are. Maybe it's like, they CGI. They see I had the high heels in. Who knows? But yeah, that's what's so, what's so much fun about this is that it never feels like, it never feels like this is supposed to be two beautiful women fighting like, oh, isn't this what guys like? They're just like fucking fight each other, punch each other in the face as hard as you can. And this is going to be the same as when we had Tony Jha versus versus Paul Walker, like just go at it.

And they just go at it full speed. It's unreal. So this is also the moment when the fast franchise goes to, there's basically no coming back after this scene where there's nothing too absurd for a fast movie. Yeah. Going, jumping from the one glass building to another and then doing it again.

after that all bets are off. Like at this point, we might as well be outer space. We might as well be in a sub. In Fast 8, they end up, were they in Antarctica? Yeah.

Driving at ice. Like, all bets are off once this scene happens. It definitely is a before and after type moment for the franchise. And I'm fine with it.

I think the other thing I love is the look on Dom and Brian's face as they're in the air going from one building or another. Can you imagine how terrifying that would be? Yeah, that's a good, that's a good point. Each of the best Fast and the Furious movies, they always establish something.

Like, for me, I'm a traditional list. The first one is my favorite one. I just love all of the parts of it. But part five, which we keep going back to, that's when they perfected the recipe. They're like, oh, we need this. We need 30% family. We need 60% ridiculous action.

We need 10%. You know, they pinned it down perfect. part seven is when they ramp that they like got the volume up as high as they could go that was as ridiculous as they could get without sacrificing any of the emotional heft from movies because part eight it doesn't have that part eight is fun to watch you've got the fucking rock redirecting a submarine missile with his hand just like pushing it somewhere out like okay we get it but it didn't have the emotional pool that that this one does same with with hobbs and shaw you're just like all right you're doing ridiculous things, I get it.

But seven is when they got all of those little, the little lights on the machine to go up as far as they could without compromising any of the other pieces. It's a wonderful bill. It's just so much fun. And then we have the ending as the last rewatchable scene. Oh, God. The ending.

The ending is, so let's break it down. Okay, go for it. The actual action ending of this movie, I want to get to later. I don't want to cover now. And it ends and you think whatever and Dom comes back to

Letty brings Dom back to life, all that stuff. And when you're in the theater watching it, you go, whoa. So they didn't kill Paul Walker at the end of this. So what are they going to do? Cut to the next scene. Everyone's on the beach. I'm not sure I would have had Ramsey there.

How'd you feel about Ramsey being there for the final scene? I know they didn't cut to her at the tail on, but she is there in the beginning. Maybe you would have gotten rid of her. You okay with her being there or no? You know, it's funny is I don't even remember her from that scene. I've watched it a hundred times. The two shots that I remember from that scene are when we look out and we see the family on the beach.

And then there's one. We get like pool in shots of each of the characters. We see it with Dom and with Letty and with Ludacris or Tej. And those are the ones that I remember. You could have told me right now she wasn't in there. And I've been like, oh, okay, that makes sense. but yeah, it's fine. So, and it's like, oh, so this is how it's going to end.

They're going to be, it's just Paul Walker, and they're just going to make it seem like he, you know, this just ends in the beach. And then, then it cuts to Vin Diesel. And he starts getting that sad Vin Diesel look on his face. Tyrese does the, this is, it's beautiful. And now he's getting emotional. And like, oh, man, they're going to go for this here.

And then it cuts to VIN And it does it's never goodbye It's never goodbye And the and the whispery for song kicks in And it's fucking on It is fucking on at that point You have probably In my years of working with you

I've probably heard you do 200 Vin Diesel impressions The one you just did right now Is far and away your best one so far I'm proud of you You got that the You got that right. I mean, you just get choked up. I thought that this was me imagining this when the song came on.

I'm like, oh, my God. So now everyone's in the theater. And there's this moment where you're like, oh, no. Oh, no. I don't want to cry right now. But I don't know what's going to happen. Vin goes off. He starts driving.

And they're like, fuck it. We're coming for you now. they unleashed a Paul Walker montage on us. I was not ready for it. I'm still not ready for it every time they do it. They go back to Fast 1. We see Young Vinn. We see that.

And then it just goes and it hits all the notes of the series. And then finally ends with the, with they're at the end. They're driving next to each other. And then Paul Walker just kind of goes off toward the water and the camera goes up. And then it says for Paul. masterful. Honestly, like fucking perfect. I can't believe how well they did this. Yeah. So I thought, probably same as you, I thought they were going to find a way to like have him sort of sacrifice himself to save the team.

Yeah. And going going a different direction with that, it was it was such a smart, beautiful choice. There are only a handful of movie scenes that no matter how many times you rewatch them. You have to watch it. That they don't. that they don't lose any of their effect. Like if you, I've, I've probably seen the first whatever five minute scene of up 25 times. And every single time it gets you, every single time. It has not lost any poignancy whatsoever. This particular scene is in that conversation, which is unbelievable. When you think about 20 minutes earlier, they were jumping skyscraper to skyscraper in a, like,

how are you able to do all of these things in this one movement? movie. I don't get it. I don't understand. But this is why they make the movies and you and I watch the movies. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking the most, the most emotional scenes I've ever seen in a movie. I remember the champ going way back. Ricky Schroeder, John Voigt, and spoiler alert, John Voight's a boxer, but he dies at the end. And Ricky Schroeder's his son. They're super close. And Ricky Schroeder's go, champ, champ, wake up, champ, champ. And that's, and that. was super emotional. The end of terms of endearment was really, really when Debra Winger sang goodbye to our kids. Every three, four, five years, there's a movie like that.

Some people would throw steel magnolies and there you're going down the line. Never an action movie. Yeah, that's what's wild. So all of the movies that you list like that, it's always, oh, duh, this makes sense. The end of my girl when Thomas Jay dies. Right, right, right. And Vedas at the

funeral. Like, oh, duh, this makes sense. I understand. We have to have Susan Saran just going off the rail sort of with her sadness. I get it. I understand. But to do that with Paul Walker and Vin Diesel. Right. At the end of an action

movie, it's just an undeniable level of genius. No matter what you think about any of the other movies, I understand there are a bunch of people who do not like these movies and they think they're ridiculous. And parts of them are absolutely ridiculous. Sure. But we cannot pretend like there's

not a real emotional heft to that scene. Like they didn't pull it off in an unbelievable way. It doesn't make any sense how good that one scene is. And that song is perfect and really good. And became the iconic song in the summer. I left Grantland five weeks after this movie came out. And a couple weeks later, Jim Cunningham, who works with us now at The Ringer and a couple other people made a video.

that was basically my goodbye to Grantland using this song. And it was fucking emotional. It made me realize you can put the song with anything and it's emotional. Anything. Vin has the monologue at the end. Do you want me to just read it or do you want me to read it in the Dom voice? I need it in the Dom voice. I think we all do.

I think we deserve it. I used to say I lived my life a quarter mile at a time. And I think that's why we were brothers. because you did too. No matter where you are, whether it's a quarter mile away or halfway across the world, you'll always be with me

and you'll always be my brother. Thank you. That's really fucking good, Bill. The key with Dom is when he says brother, he says, brother, he kind of bails on the last syllable. Yeah. He'll always be my brother.

Anyway, phenomenal. That's my pick, not only for most rewatchable scene of this movie, but I think most rewatchable scene of any fast movie and one of the most rewatchable action scenes of all time. Any other scenes you would throw in for most rewatchable in this movie? No, those are definitely the four main ones. I can't pick that one as the one that I want to rewatch the most, the most rewatchable, because it just,

does too much to me. It's too draining. So you go to the double building maybe? No, I'm going to drop onto the mountain. Oh. Brian running up the car. Lettie saving him. What I really like about that one,

we didn't talk about it. We've not talked about him enough. I don't feel like it's Tyrese in the scene immediately before that. When he starts demanding, he wants to be like one of the leaders of the crew. I want to be the leader. And then it gets to making his jokes. That's the opening of that scene.

And then the ending is when Ramsey is sort of reading the entire group to themselves and he's like oh you're probably ex-military or ex-cop you've got some training you're the alpha you're mrs alpha you're the like practical joker or whatever and i love when she gets to tirees and she says that to him and she's like you're the the clown and the joker and he's just dead face out and he goes wrong mrs alpha joker wrong double alpha man candy you know what I'm saying? Man, set your candy ass down. I remember watching that in the scene and just busting out laughing.

I think he's responsible for more laughs in the franchise than anybody else. So if we can add those to, then that's the one I'm going to pick. That would be the, that's the one scene that I think represents the most of what Fast and Furious is all at once. Let's take a break and then we'll do what stage the best. Hey, let's take a quick break to talk about feedingamerica.org. I would encourage you to go there. Your impact, just with $1,000, you could potentially provide at least 10,

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I'll just tell you what I wrote here. Paul Walker. Dot, dot, dot. Fucking love that guy. I just want to put him for what's age the best. He's just age really, well in this movie because I genuinely miss Paul Walker. Another one's aged the best.

The Lucas Black return. How'd you feel about that? A little comeback for him. I felt really good about adding him into the end of the thing. I want to see all these characters as much as possible. Some of them I do want to see sparingly. Lucas Black is one of those ones where the more he's in the movie,

the less effective he is. So if you just have him pop up, because he has the one part in there, He's only in there for two minutes, maybe, but he has a one part where here comes a little bawa, and he's like, hey, this guy wants to talk to you, whatever. Lucas Black thinks it's about a race, and he's like, oh, not right now. He says he knows Han, and then he turns and he gives a look. Just one little look.

It's two seconds long, and you're like, boom, you did it. All right, get out the way. You did what I need you to do. Let's keep it moving. Good to see him and Dom in a scene together. What's Age the Best, the facial recognition technology they had back then, which was really primitive. It still holds up.

I think, you know, they would have probably been a lot easier to do this in 2020. But nice job with that. Kurt Russell is Mr. Nobody? Great. Really delivers. There's some good casting. There's a casting what if for this that I think I want to have paramedics in your house because I think you might pass out.

So call the E&T and just make sure they're outside your house just in case anything happens. I thought Kurt Russell did a good job. I just want to mention Ramsey gets swapped from a car to car, not once but twice in this movie. Two different times there's a car swap with some hot computer nerd. I don't know how they pulled that off. We also have two head-to-head collisions in this movie with Vin and Statham where they just both emerge unscathed.

It's fine. They're good. I'm going to hop out of my car. Hey, another head on question. I'm good. No visit to the chiropractor or anything like this. Okay, so. Well, they do crack their necks.

They go like, crack, crack, crack. They're fine. Totally good. So we've talked about see you again by Wiz Khalifa and Charlie Puth. I tried to do, I was going to do a championship belt of the I'm sad. Somebody just died. songs dating through my life because the initial one was the way we were by Barbara Streisand. If that came on, you would just be like, oh, man, I'm about to see the death montage and the

Oscars. I'm about to see somebody died. Something bad just happened. And then you go through and wind beneath my wings by Bet Midler. Tears in Heaven by Eric Clapton had a nice run. Candle in the Wind by Elton John. I'll be missing you by Puff Daddy. Hallelujah by Jeff Buckley.

And then Sarah McLaughlin for a while with I Will Remember You. Like for a while. We're talking like a decade long, you know, LeBron and the finals kind of run for that. And then See You Again came in and just knocked all these songs out and has had the championship belt ever since. Is there any other song that jumps to your head as a defining song in this weird category?

The two that you mentioned that came to my head immediately, Sarah McLaughlin, and then the tears in heaven, because that one is about an actual, like his son, yeah.

His son, yeah. Yeah, it's for, like that's, that's wild. I will add one, one in here by Master P. The missing my homies one, which is an unbelievable.

It's really good. It's like, it's surprisingly touching when I was in touching, when I had just graduated college, the year that I left, a friend of mine got in a car crash and passed away. And I will always remember going back to the school. He was in this fraternity I was in called Omega Delta Phi. I was like a Hispanic fraternity. And I went back to the to like the house where we all hung out. And for some

reason this one guy, he just kept playing that song on repeat. Like, I mean, I know the reason why he was sad about it. It was called I Miss My Hommies. But he was just in his room playing it as loud as possible and I just kept hearing it like restarting over and over again. And it's like a kind of a hokey addition to add, but it, that's, that's another one that I, that I thought of for sure. With the, with the Charlie Puth one, Charlie Puth was Khalifa, I'm trying to picture, is there, is there a scene you can add it to in a movie and it can make you still, you still don't feel bad for the person? You know what I'm saying? Like I think this is, one of those songs where you can put it in any movie, and it doesn't matter who we're seeing

on screen. Like, if they're leaving in that scene, we're going to feel bad for it. You're a big Shawshank guy. Like, imagine, you know, the scene when they load bogs up into the car after he's been like crippled. If they play Wiz Khalifa Charlie Puth right there, I think you, I think all of a sudden you feel bad for Boggs that he's like, oh, man, this is a tough goodbye. Yeah, you're right.

Well, I think Hallelujah is like that too, but with the Jeff Buckley version, if that comes on, you're just going to, you're going to feel, you're just going to go through an emotional vortex immediately. You're right. Even Boggs and Shawshank. That's a good one. Any other what's age the best for you before we move on? No, I think my pick here has to be Paul Walker.

It just, yeah, me too. It's so great watching him. It's so, that final shot of him, just looking out the car, smiling and peaceful and bright, like there's a brightness in his eyes. that you're just like, you immediately get taken back to like all of the times that you've,

all of the hours you've spent in movies with this guy with like stuff that's just good and fun to watch. It's separate of the fast and the furious movies. But like, remember the scene in varsity blues when he comes walking out on the patio and they shoot up up at him like he's superman. Like for a lot of us, that was the like introduction of Paul Walker into our lives. It's such a great opening. But she's all that.

the skull's joy ride. I can picture him into the blue when you just have him on a beach. That's a good movie. I miss him. I miss him. Seeing him in this. Yeah, it's interesting.

He pulled off the handsome blonde guy who wasn't a dick because usually the handsome blonde guy is a dick in the movies. You become Johnny Lawrence. Yeah. What's age the worst? Don't say anything.

Leave it blank. Unfortunately, I have seven things. Oh, my God. All right. I'm seven times mad already. but go for it. I'll go smaller ones and then go to the big one. Letty's amnesia plot.

Like, how long do you have amnesia? Doesn't they go away after like a month? How long did we have to milk the amnesia thing? She had that for like two years, which she just doesn't remember anything. Nothing comes back? She was in a car crash that almost killed her, like cut her some slack. Okay. She's going to take your time.

Take your time, Lett. Take all the time you need. The Rock's daughter in the movie, not sure why she's, in the movie. I don't know whether they were trying to humanize the rock. I'm not sure if that was his daughter. Just very strange. They tried to make, they add like a family story to the rock. Not sure if I needed background with his family and then they kept extending that to the future things. I love that that Dominic has no idea. He has a kid. He's like, what? What do you? Like he's never, the rock has never mentioned him in any of this.

I'm going to mangle his name. As you know, I have pronunciation, dyslexia. Demon Hensu. Is that how you say it? Mos Jikandi, the guy who plays Moz Chikandi, Oscar winner Demon Hensu? I think that's how you say it. He's great.

I'm just going to read what it says in Wikipedia for his character for Moes Jekande. A Nigerian-born mercenary and terrorist who leads a private military company that Eliza Shah and uses the gods eye to track its creator

and use her to track down his enemies. Not enough backstory with this guy. He's just kind of thrown in. It's like, hey, here's our bad guy, but we don't know anything about him. There's no scene where he's mean to somebody or he lays out his plan or I just like, wow, that guy's, I'm scared of this guy. He's just kind of there.

And I don't really understand. I feel like they cut out a key scene with him that would have helped. So he's a really, really good actor. Yeah. I love this guy. He's in a, I think the very first time my song was in this movie called In America. Do you ever see that movie? It's really, really good.

He plays like this. In America? In America. Yeah, it's great. I don't know if I did. Follows his Irish family, I believe. It's really good. But he pops over that.

I wonder if when they pitched him on this movie, if they're like, hey, you're going to be the bad guy and the furious, and the new Fast and the Furious movie. And they read him what you just read. And he's like, hell yeah. And then he gets there and then he's like realizes he's the second bad guy. And you're going to get 10 minutes of screen time. and just sort of, you just have to die now, and that's it.

Yeah, not enough Mojikande. I think they probably told him like, hey, man, you know, Paul died and we had to rewrite a lot of the movies, so we had to lose some Moz Jaconde stuff. Sorry about that. But it's just, out of all the villains we've had in all these movies, probably the least successful execution. I don't love the ending, the action ending of this movie in L.A. I don't dislike it.

I'll watch it. I just think, especially if you're comparing it to like the bank heist at the end of Fast 5 or even like the airport runway and Fast 6, it's dark. It's hard to see what's going on. There's helicopters and drones and the rock just randomly shows up. And we have diesel and Statham in a parking garage. He could just kill him decides not to. Let's have a street fight instead.

and then everything cresting with, Dom deciding he's going to take down the helicopter by driving up a ramp, going 75 feet in the air, clipping the helicopter, and then crashing to wherever and then somehow surviving that. I think if you're talking endings,

this is probably my least favorite of the first seven of action endings. Where do you stand on it? Okay, so I have a theory about this because I'm right there with you as far as, like this isn't super memorable. We have a couple good lines. It's kind of fun.

The Rock with the Giant Gun is great. But in all of the other movies that you mentioned, the Bank Vault dragging, the giant airplane, the final race with Brian and Dom at the end of the first one, those were the actual endings of the movie. I don't think that the big action scene here wasn't the ending of the movie.

I don't think that was the point of that scene. I think it's to set up. We just need to get to the goodbye scene at the beach. I think that's the real actual ending, which is why this movie feels so much different when you walk out of the theater. Because they weren't building toward this gigantic thing. They had already done that. They had already given you the mountain scene and the skyscraver scene. You got what you needed.

Now we just need to fill some space here and plug up some pieces. I have some concerns and questions about where the police fire department and everybody else were as this unfolded. then, you know, they're taking down a 12-story tower and then parking garages are blowing up. Things are blowing up everywhere. There's just no police. There's no anybody. Nobody's like, hey, we have some action downtown. Can somebody get down there?

Very strange. Another what's aged the worst, just bear with me. The surprise the first time you see the ending that we had in the theater has aged the worst just because you're never going to top the first. time they're like, how are they going to land this plane with Paul Walker and then it happens? I think it's been forgotten, like, how hard that was, because now we're used to it and it's an iconic scene, but I think it's been forgotten how hard that was and how badly that could have gone in the wrong hands. My nominee for the winner of what stage the worst is the entire Decker-Shaw plot and how it

ties into the next couple movies. because at the start of this movie, he murders at least 20 policemen. Like, at least to go see his brother. There's 20 bodies strewn everywhere. 20 innocent people that he's just taken out. He murders Han. I loved Han.

I'm still upset that they killed off Han. I feel like he should have been an OG along the lines of Tyrese and Ludacris. Like, just keep Han and keep Gogh. I would have kept everybody. he almost kills the Rock and Elena. They should have died. They fell six stories. And then he blew up Brian's house and could have blown up his wife and his small child.

And then within a movie, we're fine with all of this. Yeah. It's never, it's kind of the elephant in the room with all of the subsequent movies to Fast 7 in this series. Don't you agree? I wonder if there was ever like a time where they, They're just sort of hanging out. And Dom is like, hey, do you remember when you tried to kill my sister and her husband and their child? That's pretty crazy, right?

They're just drinking coronas at a barbecue. Well, that basically is the end of Fast 8, right? Yeah, that's exactly what it is. They're on that little balcony thing and they're kind of sizing each other up and they're like, hey, we good. When you try to blow up my brother-in-law and my sister, yeah, we're good. We are absolutely not good. I can't believe. So every once in a while, I will go through and just rewatch all of the movies in their entirety.

And the last time I did it was at the end of 2019. I'm just watching them. And then they had the trailer come out for the new one and you saw that Han was back. And you're like, this is crazy. They have at this point killed off Han. Like, they killed off Han and Tokyo Drift. And then they brought him back later on just to kill him off again. And then they're going to break.

If they make 20 of these movies, he's gonna fucking end up dying like five times. And it's just weird that that's the like pocket he fell into. Well, if you're thinking spin-off movies, before they did Hobbs and Shaw, I would have gone with, what was Galgado's character's name? I can't remember. I'm blank.

I just called her Galgado, yeah. Yeah, Galga. I would have had her and Han in Europe and just done like a little low budget scene with those two as the stars. Would have been a better move for her than doing seven Wonder Woman's. We should have at least gotten one of those, like, mini movies that they slid in there. Like, there's a 20-minute mini-movie with Dom.

It's like him and Letty, and we get to see, like, there's a transition between. We should have at least gotten one of those. Han is just such a fun creation. Yeah. Terrible. Tough. The big Asian icons of the 2010s, he's up there. And then the guy in the Walking Dead.

Steve Yun, who they also killed off. It's like, how about not killing off these guys? Anyway. All right. Are the paramedics outside of your house yet? They're at the door waiting, yeah. Okay. I'm nervous.

Casting what if. We're doing casting what ifs. This is, I think, my favorite casting, what if ever. Do you know who turned down Mr. Nobody before Kurt Russell took it? I can't even imagine. Your favorite actor. Are you, wait, say the name because I need for you to say the name because I don't believe you right now. Denzel Washington.

Get the fuck out of here. Get out of here. There's no way. He turned it down. Why did he turn it down? I don't believe this. Where did you read this? Oh, it's, it's on the internet.

Okay. It's on the internet. He turned it down. they even promised them that they would blow out the part for fast 8 that it was a smaller part in fast 7 and then in fast 8

it would become a bigger part and Denzel said no that's wild why do you think you said no did he want to be in the action part of it did he well think about it he's in that stage

like he's about to do fences he's he's thinking you know he's in Oscar mode at that point, right? He's thinking... Okay. He's thinking, I'm not doing an action movie. I'm good with that. And if I'm going to do an action movie, I'm doing the Equalizer, too, and I'm just going to be the star of the action movie. I'm not... I don't need to do, you know, this version of it.

So, yeah, he turned it down. Two other names that I didn't really fully understand. Taylor Lautner and Hallie Berry were also considered for Mr. Nobody. Taylor Lautner is a weird one. I don't know. I know he had some momentum at that point, but I feel like Mr. Nobody had to be older. Yeah, he definitely had to be older. Taylor Lottner does have like this weird old guy face about him.

Yeah, I guess. Maybe you put a couple of them little gray streaks on the side of his hair and pull it off. Kurt Russell was a great, a great pick because Kurt Russell is a nice little throwback to like those late 80s, early 90s action movies. He just is comfortable in that space. Yeah. Oh, okay, cool. I get it. You're like a charming, smart, good actor.

Here's 25 lines to make the most of them. So they're, they, I don't know if this is true on the internet, but there's a theory that he's tapping into his Tequila Sunrise character. And that it's the Tequila Sunrise guy from 1988 8 now is Mr. Nobody and he's basically paying homage to that guy. Who knows? So apparently Jason St. Aetham was originally offered the lead antagonist role of Owen Shaw in Fast Six.

Couldn't do it because he was making movies called Parker and Wildcard that I don't even remember those movies. Then they figured out how to work him into Fast 7 and beyond. But did you know that? He was supposed to be the Fast Six guy? I had no idea. He's perfect. He's better as the Big Brother, though. Yeah, I agree.

Worked out. That's all I have for casting what ifs. Next award is the best that guy, a.k.a. the Joey Pants Award. So I guess we could go with Tony Jha or he could go with the guy from the raid. You pick. I'm going with Tony Jha. Okay. I was really excited to see him pop up in there.

And I'm like, I mentioned we were at the movies with Laramie. And I'm like, oh, it's Tony Jha. Look, look, look, look. She's like, I don't know who that is or why you're so excited. But can you please be quiet because you're making too much noise right now? I mean, he's definitely, he definitely qualifies for this because I screwed it up early in the movie and thought he was in the raid when he wasn't. So that's a good example of why he wins to Joey Pants Award. The Vincent Hanna, they knew award for Best Overacting.

The Rock really dials it up, as we mentioned earlier a couple times, but especially in this scene when he greets Statham. You sure as hell ain't the IT guy, so you better start talking before I break that finger six different ways and stick it right where the sun doesn't shine. He's just rattling off. It's like he's almost in professional wrestling mode. It's not a great performance by The Rock.

I think he had probably too many things going on. The Dion Waiters Award for Best Heat Check. So our nominees here, Tony Jha, again, Rousie, who's only in one scene, Ronda Rousey, or the guy from the raid. I thought about putting Tyrese in there because he's really not in this that much, but he has huge stats. But I feel like he's too pivotal to the franchise. He can't be eligible. He's on the starting lineup. He can't be this one.

So who would you go with here? I got to go Rousey. She really went for it. She's not that great of an actor. She has like one line, two lines in there, and neither one of them are good. Thank God you showed up. These parties bore me to death. But when I watched it, I saw the fight.

I'm like, all right, this was great. And then this was around the same time where there started to be rumors that they were going to redo Roadhouse with her. Yeah. And I was like, fuck, yeah. I'm in. where after this I'm in. FYI, I'm still in. Five years later.

Give it. I never dropped out. I'm still in on Rhonda Rousey and Roadhouse. Next category is the recasting couch. So obviously, now that we have this Denzel information, it's hard to see anything else other than that all due respect to Kurt Russell. I loved him in this movie. He's great.

But Denzel in this movie, there's a whole extra level. of weight, fascination, him doing scenes with Vin Diesel. I can't wrap my head around it, and I don't know what he would have brought to the table other than a lot of things. I think it's just one of the all-time wins. I'm really upset and disappointed that he didn't do it. It would have been so funny to see Denzel,

possibly the greatest actor of our generation, dropped into a scene where he's standing next to the rock and the Rock's like, Daddy's got to go to work. And you've got, and you've got, and you've got, and you've got Denzel, Washington in the very next scene doing Denzel. I would, I would like

to see it. I would put Dindel in every movie. Denzel's going from working with the Rock and Fast 7 to Viola Davis and fences. Maybe he couldn't wrap his brain around. I wish he had done it. It's a great, it's a great movie, What If? And I can't believe I didn't know about it until this week.

Half Fast Internet Research. second most pirated movie ever, almost 45 million streams in 2015. This was before they were able to really crack down on the pirating. 340 cars were used in the film. 230 were destroyed. Brian's conversation, oh, I mentioned the,

when Brian and Dom are talking, that's a deleted scene from Fast 5. Yeah. And then the song at the end, which was dedicated to Paul Walker, see you again, received one, billion views on YouTube in 2015.

In July 2017, became the most viewed video on YouTube ever. Really? Wait. So you said this was the second most pirated movie? Do you know what the first was? I don't. It's probably Tokyo Drift.

That's my... That's my... The parking garage fight scene between Diesel and Statham, they put in a couple Easter eggs referencing the transporter movies, which I missed. There's the actual... BNW from Transporter in 2002 and the Audi

I'm sorry the Audi from Transporter 2 in 2005 So the car that they get into when they do the double building jump is a is really there really is only seven cars or seven models of it made

it's $3.4 million It's called the Lichen HyperSport and When they actually did real stunt shit with it, they used fake versions of it because it was too expensive. I would assume so, yeah. So apparently Gal Godot is, oh, her character's name is Giselle.

Yeah. She has scenes in this movie where Giselle takes led to the hospital after they've flashback scenes where she's actually taking Ledy to the hospital and Ledy's trying to get her memory back. And the scenes were cut. Yeah. So that's why she's billed in this movie. So that's all we got.

All right. Speaking of Letty, Apex Mountain. I'm going, Michelle Rodriguez, Apex Mountain here. She's never looked better. She has a really great fight scene with Rousey. She's just throwing 100 miles an hour of this whole movie. She brings Dom back to life at the end. I think this is my favorite Letty movie of all the Letty movies.

She punches the dude in the face at Race Wars. It's the right amount of her. It's not too much. And every time she's in a scene, she's bringing heat. You agree or disagree? I absolutely agree. This is my favorite movie to watch if I want to get all of the best parts of Letty. A really fun thing about her when you're watching, this movie especially, is every scene she's in,

she just makes it a little bit better than if she wasn't in there. Yeah. She knows exactly how to play off of each person. She knows how to make Brian seem a little bit tougher. She knows how to make Dom seem a little bit more vulnerable. She knows how to make Ted seem cooler. Like she could just do whatever you need or do, you drop her in. She's great.

She's unbelievable in this movie. I love Michelle Rodriguez. I'm very on the record about that. Yeah, I think she's the best actor of all the actors in this franchise. Oh, yeah, yeah. And, you know, look, she's had a great career. And I'm sure she's made plenty of money. And she's in one of the great movie franchises of the past 40 years.

I wish she had made one film in the last like 10 to 12 years, you know, like a dramatic film where that kind of pushed her. Like what's her Oscar, her Oscar resume movie? I feel like she could have done it. I think there's some part out there that she could have played. I think she was a good enough actress. I know it's weird to talk about somebody in the fast franchise like that, but I do feel like there's some missing part that she never got that she should have had.

She has an Oscar in her. You could tell, especially, if you had any doubts about it at all, you could tell in widows, which is also kind of an action movie, but she gets to play it very, very straight. She's wonderful. She has a very, the very touching scene when she, like, has the breakdown. Yeah. And just like, yeah, she could do it. I would assume that the reason she hasn't gotten it would not be because she didn't want to do it.

Right. I think this is bigger forces at play. That script never came across her table, but she could 100% do it. Agree. Wiz Khalifa and Charlie Puth. I'm going to say yes for both. I'm going to say yes for Abu Dhabi.

I think this is Apex Mountain for Avedo. Okay. It's a movie location for one of the nine highest grossing movies of all time. I think big win for everyone in Abu Dhabi. And then this is my favorite. You're going to love this. I think this is the Apex Mountain for action movies with bald stars.

We have Vin Diesel, Statham, The Rock, Tyrese, and Demon Hansu, all in one movie. Plus, I would say you're the premier action movie writer in the world. You're bald too. Everyone wins. It's a bald tsunami of action baldness all the way around. Great job by everybody. That's an unbelievable starting five right there, those five guys. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Yeah. You can't beat that. I mean, get Michael Jordan an example. Xavier McDaniel, sneak them in there, too. They could have just gone for the whole thing there. Okay. Time to pick a couple nits.

Oh, God. I mentioned Elena's 15-month pregnancy. Can we just talk this out for like 90 seconds? Please do, because I don't even, I wouldn't pay any attention to it, but go for it. So, Fast 5, she ends up with Dom. Fast 6, Letty comes back. At that point, have we seen Paul Walker? I'm sorry, Brian's baby yet.

Is Brian's baby born yet in Fast 6? I can't remember. I haven't seen Fast 6 in a little while. Yeah. Okay, so he has the kid. Then we see the kid on the way to preschool at the beginning of Fast 7.

Seems like it's at least a year since we saw. You figure at least a year has passed between Fast 6 and Fast 6th. Is that fair? Say 12 months? I always have a hard time doing the time aspect of this. I had no idea until like two years ago that Breaking Bad happened within a one-year stretch.

I thought it was like eight years. I don't know. So I'm going to let you have it. You can go for it here. Okay. So we'll say a year. And then we see Elaine at the beginning. She looks great.

Definitely not pregnant. And then in Fast 8, which now is happening a few months after Fast 7, all of a sudden, and she's got a little Dom baby. And the math just does not add up. Now, granted, this is the same franchise that has cars being dropped from planes and cars going through buildings in Abu Dhabi. So, you know, I'm not going to dwell on it too much.

But I just wanted to present the possibility that Dom might have had a one-nighter with Elena at some point. I think, okay. During the Fast 7, Fast 8 range. I think there's no way that Dom sleeps with Elena again after Letty comes back. Okay. My theory here is Dominic, Touretto, superhuman, is of such unbelievable DNA that his seed takes longer

to, like, formulate than a normal man. This is like how elephants are pregnant for longer than humans. I think it's the same thing with Dom. There's no way you could grow a tiny Toretto in only nine months. You need minimum 24 months. Okay. So it's a 24 to 27-month pregnancy because Dom's seed is just a different kind of seed. I'm willing to accept that explanation.

Okay, good. So another nitpick, the first head-on car crash with Dom and Shaw. The funeral happens, Shaw shows up, Dom chases them out. They have a whole thing. They end up in some place. They have the head-on. And then all of a sudden, all these cops come from the ceiling and Mr. Nobody's there. And how did all those people know they were going to end up in that?

exact spot. I've never been able to figure that one out. If the head of your organization is a guy named Mr. Nobody, you can do whatever you want whenever you want. Like, you know all things. All right. There you go. Best quote, I think we already did it. But I did want to mention the Rock saying, which is why when I get out, I'm going to put a hurt on him so bad he's going to wish his mom had kept her legs closed. The Rock definitely wrote that in his trailer and went to James Wan. It was like, hey, man, thought of this one liner for Hobbs. What do you think? They're like, cool, Rock, do you think. Could this be remade as a 10-episode

Netflix show? The answer is always no. Don't, I'm not even sure how I feel about Hobbs and Shaw. I don't really want to mess with the franchise. Probably unanswerable questions is the next category. Here's the first one. Is race war is a real thing? And if it is, why isn't it on ESPN2? And why can't it replace the sports void we have right now?

Everyone's in cars. We're not interacting. Can we just have race wars now? We're all in quarantine here. I agree with you there. And this is also one of my unanswerable questions that I had written down as well because when Dom and Letty are driving out to it

and he's trying to get her to remember things, trying to jog her memory here. And she's like, oh, we used to come here. And then he says to her, oh, we invented this. Like, we created this thing. And then you get there. And it's very clearly like a corporate sponsored event

at this point. You've got all kind of like brands set up, celebrations and what. whatnot. I need to know if Dom and Letty are, do they get a piece of this money? Is this like when you run a music festival and you get some of it off of there? Is this where they're getting their money from? That, that's a question in my head because that should, I know Dominic Trout doesn't care about money, but he should be getting his money off of that. So should Letty. Or is Dom full of shit? He's like, yeah, we created this, but he really, we really did it. He was just, he happened

to be at the first one. He knew that she wasn't going to remember anyway. He's just making shit up now. it's like if my wife had amnesia and then I'm doing a podcast she's like what are you doing I'm like I'm doing a podcast I created it like how does she know any different she has she had amnesia she's just going to believe whatever I come up with okay uh next one this has always bothered me as this franchise went along how does how does dom know so many super connected powerful people like so Brian's house blows up. And then the next scene we see there in the DR, they're at this security-filled compound with Dom's friend, Brian and his wife and the kid. And Dom is talking to the friend. It's like,

thanks for, thanks for hooking them up or whatever. How does somebody like Dom, who just lives in downtown L.A. and was just racing cars and fixing them the first time we meet him in the franchise, all of a sudden his network expands so he has, you know, billionaire friends in the Dominican Republic. How do you think that happened? Because he's such a charming guy. And by this point, we know he has spent several years in South America. He's making those connections. You get Dominic Torretto in a room with somebody.

That means you have Dominic Torretto in a room with someone who thinks they're his best friend. That's just what he does. Everybody loves them. So anyone who meets Dom, they're just ready to do. He's like the godfather. He's just doing favors for Dom from that point on. Yeah, because who has a bad word to say about Dominic Torretto? Not one single person.

From the first time we met him in The Fast and the Furious, and he's just a protector of all thing. That's the reputation he has. And from there going forward, it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. He, that's just who he is. All right, fair. next question is how does everyone on dom's team get so good at karate fighting kung fu like what what changed from fast one to fast seven is it like when they were maybe after they got back to the states after fast six they all had money dom is just like

hey i was thinking we should all just get much better at fighting and brings in you know some specialist and just teaches them what changed from fast one to fast seven where everybody's just the highest level fighter. I think that's exactly what it was. By the time we got to seven, probably between somewhere like four and five, he said, hey, guys,

guess what? This seems like it's going to keep happening. So let's train. And then now they're just spending their time training because they're no longer have to spend their time plotting on how to steal DVD players from 18 wheelers. So they've got a bunch of downtime.

They probably just hire in somebody to come on in. Okay. This last one, my answer to this is no. Okay. I just want to start there. Okay. My answer is no.

All right. But I have to throw it out. We have the technology now where... Nope. I already know what you're going to say. Well, please continue. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt, but go ahead.

Does Brian ever come back to the franchise? Mm-mm. You can't do it. You can't do it. There's no way. There's no good way to do that. At best, you can have, like, what they did in part eight with a picture of, of them, something like that. Maybe a flashback to a scene that we have already seen, but we can't

have any new material. I don't want to hear, this is like I don't want to hear a new pimpsy verse. It doesn't make any sense. I just want to listen to the old albums. I just want to listen to Riding Dirty. And let me get it that way. There's no way to do this correctly. So there's a story that comes out. They're making Fast 11. They figured out how to have Paul Walker in the movie. and his family is going to get $20 million from it. If his family is like, we're cool with it, then I'm fine. I'll fall in line behind the Walker family. Absolutely.

If they make that decision, go for it. My answer is no, but if the Walker family really pushed it and we had the technology, I would at least welcome it with an open heart. I would be their opening night. No question about it. Okay. I do think we're heading toward a world now where, from a technology standpoint, where that's kind of stuff will be possible. I hope not, but what are you going to do?

I mean, we're talking about like, like they could redo a Godfather sequel and just use everybody's faces from Godfather 1 and 2 and make it right after, you know, Frato died. Like, I don't know what's coming with movies, but I do know that they're very close to having all that technology. It's a little freaky. category. Who won the movie? I say Paul Walker. It's got to be Paul Walker. It's just rewatching it now these years later, five years later, he's the one you're most excited to get to spend some time with for obvious reasons. But still, that's the, that's the feeling that's there. Did you ever see Terminator Salvation? With Christian Bale? Yeah. Yeah.

Do you remember when they had Arnold walk out in that one scene and you're like, oh, fuck, Arnold's back? It didn't look terrible. It didn't look great, but didn't look terrible. I just don't throw that out there. They never figured out with the Terminator remake why Arnold was an aging robot. Yeah. It's like, robots don't age. They're just robots.

They're the same age for eternity. Why are you now old? I think it's like it was covered in the human skin and muscle. Sure. Sure. I think that was one of the reasons nobody went. Last question before we go. Where does this rank?

Give us your fast rankings right now. But not for best movie. For most rewatchable, where does Fast 7 rank in the top three? In my heart, Furious 7, because I just watched it is number two. It just edged out Fast 5. Number one is always going to be number one. But because I just rewatch it, I have to put it in second place right now. I have five first.

I have one second. And then the third one is either four or seven. I'd probably put seven. Oh, seven is way better than four. Absolutely. I just like four because it lays the DNA for all the movies that come next in a really smart way. The franchise is dead at that point. You know, action movie franchise, you have one, you have two.

Two's never going to be as good as one unless it's John Wick. And then three is kind of like holding on to the fumes of one and two. usually doesn't go well. I don't think it went that great in this case. And just the fact that they were able to revive the franchise, I thought was really smart. Lay the all the seeds. I think seven is,

I texted you a couple of days ago, and I was like, man, what a satisfying movie. So I'd probably say 7.3A and 4.3B. I got to say, when I got that text, you and I, we've done a ton of podcasts together at this point. We've had some rough patches. There was the time we're used. I think this was when we did Fast and the Furious

and you were making fun of Dominic Torretto. Vin Diesel saying it wasn't a good actor, which I disagree with wholeheartedly. There was that. There was the time you invited me on to talk about Reggie Miller, and then you just talked shit about him for 35 minutes straight.

No, it was three minutes, and then I circled it back. You were just scared. It felt like 35 minutes. I was really mad at that point. When I got that text, the subtext to it was, you said, oh, this movie's really satisfying.

And what I read was, this movie's really satisfying for how bad this movie. I was 100% expecting to come in here today. Oh, no. And here you just talked down it. I'm really excited. I'm very proud that you did not. No, that was a 100% genuine. God, I love this

movie. I'm glad it's in my rewatchable life. Okay, good, good, good. And I'm sure we'll be rewatching it a million times more. The question is will this be fast, last appearance on the rewatchables? Because now we have done five. We did the first one

and we did this one. Is four worthy of a rewatchables. My answer is obviously yes. So I think the next time we do one of these, but we have other stuff in the works. You will be popping back on. We have a lot of spare time right now. Yeah. Yes, that we have. We have to figure out how to, as soon as Concepcion has the technology, which we got him, one of our setups, we have to figure out if it's possible for us to do a three-person one on Zoom, which I think the technology of being in remote locations once you get past two people is a little dicey for us. But I think there is a way for us to be able to do it on Zoom.

So stay tuned for that. If they could figure out how to put Paul Walker in this movie five years ago, we can figure out how to get three guys on a podcast. That's how I feel. Shea Serrano, a pleasure, as always. Talk to you soon. Thank you. Okay, thanks to State Farm.

And thanks to you, Shea. We'll be back on the rewatchables. Later in the week, we're going to be doing Enemy of the State, the Tony Scott classic from the late 90s, I think 1998. We're going to hopefully do this, me Chris Ryan and Shaw and Fantasy on Zoom. We'll see if that works out.

But we will see you then on the rewatchables. Stay safe out there.