The Rewatchables - ‘Halloween 4’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan awaken on Halloween Eve and return to Haddonfield to rewatch 1988's 'Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers,' starring Donald Pleasence, Ellie Cornell, and Danielle Harris. Watch this episode on our Ringer Movies YouTube channel! Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the return of Michael Myers. And there's a lot of reasons why. But let's play the trailer first. Ten years ago, Halloween, evil had a shape. Terror had a night. And now he's back. Six bodies, cherries.

That's what I've seen. As much as you, Michael Myers, is here in this town. Halloween 4, the return of Michael Myers. He's come home to kill. Halloween 4, rated R. Starts Friday, October 21st, at theaters everywhere. All right, C.R. and Vanner here. How do you keep a horror movie franchise going after you've murdered the protagonist of the movie?

This was a question of the 80s. There's money at stake. We fucked up. We shouldn't have ended that last movie that way. What do we do? And in the 80s and the early 90s, the answer was, ah, fuck it. Maybe they won't remember what we did.

Let's bring it back. And that's Halloween 4. We had a much different relationship to franchises. We had a lot fewer questions back then. Really, no questions. We had no internet. We had no podcasts. We had no real analysis.

We didn't hold things against people. We weren't re-watching stuff a million times. Somehow he lived. Van, he was stabbed in the eye with a wire hanger. He was shot 11 times. He was shot in both eyes at the end of Halloween, too. Both eyes. Done, blind, just flailing around.

Blown up. Burned to death. Burned to death. Saw it. Saw the mask burning. Then went in a 10-year coma, even though he's already dead. Kept all of his muscle and his eyesight. Much like Stephen Segal and I think it was above the law.

Hard to kill. Hard to kill. Hard to kill. In a coma, but it was immediately when a new Tai Chi. A lot of acchi again. A lot of acupunal. I'm not sure, though. Kileywood-Rog brings him back to life.

Yeah. He still knows how to drive, even though he never learned because he'd been locked up since age six. He still knows how to get everywhere with no map and no navigation system. And still knows how to turn off electricity, phones, and power lines. Yeah. He's back, baby. So what a lot of these guys, they started as slashes and then they turned supernatural.

Yeah. But they always give you an explanation as to why they turn supernatural. It always is. In Halloween, they never do. I was asking, see, R. They get into it in six. In six. Well, the four or five, six are called the Thorn Trilogy,

where they try to come up with this supernatural mythology behind Michael. Mythology around Myers. And let's just say it did not work. I mean, you watch him and he is, I mean, he's like, he's got the instincts, right? Like, I'm looking at him, and he actually should have, like, play football. Like Drake May. He's got the instincts. It's like, look at him, scramble.

Look at buyers. Look at him navigate the roof. This guy has it all. You know, he steps up in the pocket. He steps up in the house. He steps up behind something. He's behind some way. He's through the forehead.

He knows exactly the way to kill. You give him something. He turns it into a kill. He stabs it through. You blunt. Give him any objects. Yeah, if he's at a garage, he's going to use the tools he's got in. Shotgun?

What do I do with this? I have an idea. Take you, throw you into the electricity. And you, you, you, you, you end up burnt up in the whole nine? I think you bring up a really good point, though, which is that this franchise in particular, but you could make the argument

for a bunch of the things that came out in 1988, which was a banner year for late period horror franchises. And shameless sequels. Yeah, we had Nightmare on Elm Street 4, the Dream Master. We had Friday 13th, Part 7, the New Blood. We also had Halloween 4, obviously, and then they kicked off Child's Play

and Hellraiser 2 happened that year. So it was a lot of the big banner, our movies. We run our franchises so much differently now, like where it's just this meticulous Easter egging and connections and everything's building up to this. And Halloween's the one that I kind of wish we could have had to do over on. I couldn't agree more. Even though I love so many of these movies and even have a huge soft spite for spot for three. If they had been like, how do we want to roll this out over the years? I think it would just be like unquestionably the heavyweight champ of all-time horror franchises.

You know what happened? Friday 13th, what did you say? It was the seventh one in 1988. Yeah, it was new blood. So the first one was 1980. So think about that. They're basically making one a year. And in each one, the guy dies, but then somehow comes back.

And I had probably the Halloween producers at some point. We're like, what are we doing? There's money out there. Let's bring Myers back. Well, we can't. He burned to death and got shot in both eyes. They're like, ah. You know what we've lost?

And they just did it. You know what we've lost? in the movies now, we don't have the desire now to necessarily kill the demon at the end of the movie. Yeah. The horror movies now seem to be more about

how the people that are in the horror movies escape their torment. Yes. Rather than how they thwart the demon thing at the end. Because even like scream, right? It's almost as if

Ghostface is a totem, a mantle that different people will pick up when they need to kind of, it lives forever. Yeah. But whereas Michael Myers, Freddie, Jason, these are dudes. They pretty much in Scream did the thing that as an amateur, like, internet sleuth of unproduced Halloween screenplays and, you know, summaries of those screenplays.

Scream pretty much does what a couple of the Halloween movies that didn't get made by Carpenter and others suggested, which was that it's not Michael Myers who just keeps getting up out of the mine shaft. out of the explosion. It's this evil that, like, will infect different people in different ways. And sometimes they can wear the mask or sometimes they can just...

Which I think is what they try to do at the end of this movie because she has a moment of Myers. It's one of the best moments of the franchise. And they just, they just, like, basically skip it. Or not skip it, but they rewrite it in five. Because it's a big swing. Oh, my God.

It's a gigantic swing. Useless, most useless person in any horror franchise ever, Loomis, just ridiculously used. Are we doing this now? Oh, God, I hear. Come on. Always hate them. Always hate them.

Does Loomis replace Vincent Chase? Wow. One of the most, a dude who essentially exists just to warn people and not really do shit about it. Yeah. You've never seen anything like this. You're going to help us out? I will be getting a donut. He's kind of like the Myers hype man.

It's like Bundini Brown for Myers. This guy's a killing machine. You don't understand what he is. I think a lot of that is like. Well, fucking stop him. What can Donald Pleasins feasibly do? You know what I mean? He can walk into rooms and be like, Michael Myers is back.

But they can't have him do like kung fu against Michael Myers. I get it. But should he be testifying before the Senate? We got hold on because like that I have so many of like about where Dr. Loomis's jurisdiction begins and ends. Right. Yeah. Well, the big thing with Loomis, it's it's autopilot.

I'm getting paid in cash, Dr. Loomis in this one. where every line that he's ripping off, it just feels like he's, he's just like, all right, fine. We're not talking about a normal prisoner, Hoffman. We're talking about evil on two legs.

He's the man. He's evil. But just say, he's not even, his heart's not even in it anymore. Like, you think when we did the Halloween pot originally a couple years ago, we talked about, like, he had these brilliant monologues in it.

And he just these ways of spinning stuff. And he was like, I looked in his eyes. the blackest eyes, the devil's eyes. We're like, oh shit. Myers and now, and then this he's just... Evil on two legs. I want to ask why you like this one.

Because I have my reasons, but I'm curious because I think this is... You talked about it on Guess the Lions as like a comedy almost, and there are some funny parts of it. But I find... I think this is a really effective... I think it's got some really scary scenes.

It's on cable a lot. It almost, other than Halloween 1 was probably the most rerun movie. I'm sure it's a... I'm going to be on AMC and all these other ones over the next couple days. Super easy watch. It doesn't really have any dead spots. It's ridiculous, but not like completely over the top, ridiculous.

I really like how charismatic Myers is in this. I wrote down some things I enjoyed, how he climbs and walks the roof Undertaker style, like when the Undertaker used to walk on the top rope. He drives a truck from the gas station. He's like, fuck it. Maybe in the mental hospital. I don't know. Maybe they learned how to like to stick shift. Yeah, he learned how to release the clutch.

I like when he does, he kills the guy, and then he does, he gets in the recliner, pretends he's the guy. This is a little subterfuge before his murder. He's really, he's gone to the next level. He, he, I like when he tosses the furniture out of the way when he's in the attic. He's just like throwing boxes. And the pickup truck move, when he hides under the pickup truck, pulls up, climbs on the sides, throws all those guys out, throws the windshield.

Like, it's some really good athletic Myers. stuff. I'm saying. I think he did well in the combat this year. He's the Aaron Donald of

slasher's. Right. He can throw. He can explode. He can beat the double team mentally. The Aaron

Donald of slasher's. I like, first of all, I care about this one because this is the first one that I ever saw. This is the first Halloween movie I ever saw. And to me,

this one is a very pure representation of who Myers is. He's just a force. He wants to kill this little girl. You don't even really need to know the reason

why he needs to do it. He just is. He just is and he will not be stopped and everybody else just kind of gets caught in the way of his vendetta against this one person for one reason and it's going to have a high body count. The other thing, Chris, is I like, you know, the

big theme of this is this kid comes from Haddonfield and kills his sister and becomes this legendary story in the town and then he comes back in 1978 and kills a bunch of babysitters a bunch of people. Now it's like he's like basically Aaron Rogers against Bears in the 2000s, 2000s.

It's multiplied by a million. Yeah, but yeah. Yeah, like, just it's like he owns Haddonfield. And even when they have Halloween every year, he still kind, his shadows kind of lurking. Yes. So as soon as it's like clear that he might come back, you have this vigilante

mob who's just getting drunk at some bar and they're like, oh, boom, and they're fucking out and their trucks with guns. Like, I like the idea of somebody tormenting a town. Yeah, and I also think that they do a really good job in this movie in a subtle way. This movie is not so subtle in some other ways. But

the idea that like Haddonfield is the real star of this franchise and that like what when this town starts to forget. Even though it's filmed in Salt Lake City this time. Haddonfield quote unquote. She just leaves dumped on the street. Why couldn't they go back to the original place?

What the fuck? I don't know. Tax credits. The idea that basically as soon as this town forgets, like even with the Sasha Jensen character Brady. And she's like, you remember Michael Myers and he's like who's that? Like it's 10 years ago. He would have been like seven years old but he's like grown up in a world where that's like kind of an

urban legend. I love the idea that they keep going back to this and that like the town is somehow culpable of it. It happens in multiple movies where a girl will be running up the streets like screaming help help and nobody comes out of their houses. Like there is some like it's the town's fault. I'm telling you he's here. He's in this town. I like what you said there. about the missed opportunities.

You said it like three, four minutes ago. About like if we could just go back in time and redo this franchise correctly, I feel like it's unassailably the best one. Yeah. Even like if they even fucked up with this. Like they probably should have created a new Myers heading to four.

I'm like fuck it, let's bring her back. But the little girl, like I feel like that for Halloween 5 with the little girl, like they could have just gone that direction with what maybe she becomes Michelle Myers. And there has been, basically like there was a script or at least a pitch of Jamie

is now the evil and it's like how are we going to extract the evil from Jamie or is this like a disease that she has and like there's Jamie the killer ideas floating out there I think what you basically get is the first two so obviously Carpenter does the first one it's this iconic

never to be repeated masterpiece then you have two which is made by a carpenter disciple and very much like Carpenter is involved in that movie and then like someone because It's just a lot of nudity in the moment. Going crazy. But I also like it.

He essentially, that's like an instinct of John Carpenter, right? He taps that guy to do it. He doesn't want to do it. He has some other things. The mythology behind the series, to me, are as interesting as the movies. Yes. And then so three happens. Which I had never seen until, I had never seen it ever.

I watched it this weekend when I was watching this one. And I kind of like what they did. And for me, 50%. You like three. Well, I liked it. First of all, I love like those types of horror films. I've talked about them a lot, but, like,

I like the fact that they tried to get away from it. They tried to do something new. They tried to do something different, and they tried to come up with an idea of, like, what if Halloween could be, essentially an umbrella that we could throw all these, like, horror ideas under?

Right. And for me, 51% of why I like these movies is Michael and, like, the Strode family drama and all that stuff. But 49% of it is vibes. That's why I hate five is because it feels the least vibey consistently.

I do like seeing them float down the river at the beginning, but after the, But that almost feels like footage from four that they used. You know what I mean? Like five is like more or less like it looks like they shot it in Fresno. It just doesn't have any like Halloween feel. Like the town doesn't feel like Haddon Field.

But this one actually, like especially the opening credit sequence in four, is just like super Halloween atmosphere. You made this point in the Halloween pod we did that it's one of like how many movies that you have to watch at a specific time every year. That's incredible. We talked about it extensively about it. Like, I've watched Halloween every year. I started making my kids watch it when they were five. We went to the Halloween houses.

Five. Oh, yeah. I would just, the two scenes that you can't watch, we would just skip over those. My wife and I watch horror movies together. I told her I was doing four. She was like,

I love four. She was a kid when she saw them. So Daniel Harris was like, she was closer to Daniel Harris's age and she was Jamie Lee Curtis's or whatever. So she has like this soft spot, especially for four. But we were watching four.

And as soon as it comes on, and it's like the ghost hanging from the tree. Yeah. The pumpkins, the weird fields, the leaves blowing. She's like, I feel like so Halloweened out right now. Like, I'm so in the zone. And this movie immediately put me there. It's perfect.

Because it's the soundtrack and the imagery. There's a couple of Christmas movies, right? Like Christmas vacation. Home alone. Some people have diehard, even though it's not a Christmas movie. Home Alone. 34th Street. I mean, I'm old, so it's a wonderful life.

I still will watch and all that stuff like that. Yeah, but there's not that many. It's this time of year. We always said Jaws at the beginning of the summer. It felt like right around July. Yeah, yeah. It's time to watch. What was the mayor's name?

Brody. No, not Brody. It's, uh... We compared, in the first pot we did, we compared the mayor. Uh, Mayor Vaughn. Yeah, Mayor Vaughn. We compared Mirvan to the sheriff and Halloween one. Mm.

Because Loomis is just like, look, this guy, he's got the blackest eyes ever. He's Satan, he's evil. He's come to kill everybody. And the guy's like, more fancy talk. He's just like not listening to him at all. Doesn't put the word out. I like this one, they're a little more afraid. And this one is just like, oh, shit.

Oh, yeah. A man of action. Yeah. I like this movie because, and I've always felt this way, you can watch this movie in, like, however way you want to. Like, I can watch this movie as a comedy. And me and my brother, we used to. Every loomis scene is hilarious.

Every lumas scene is hilarious. And every Kelly Meeker scene is incredible. And oftentimes when Michael Myers pops up, it's kind of funny. Yeah. It's like when Michael Myers, like, they're running around and I'm like, oh, my God. God, Michael, Mike has no emotion. Yeah. Mike's just like, I'm back, bitch.

Yeah. Like, he just, and every, when he pops up sometimes, and it's, it's so funny, they're so helpless. Yeah. And they're, they're so scared. He's showing no emotion. There's nothing that they can do. When old boy from Days and Confuse is trying to load the gun.

Brady, yeah. When Brady's trying to load the gun, I'm dying laughing. It's so funny. Like, Brady, bro. Yeah. Like, Brady, run. Just give him your head. so he can twist it.

Brady, you need to run. Like, you're fucked if you stay here, and Brady ends up. That scene is the killer is so funny because you're like, oh, he's going over the railing. He's definitely going over the railing. He's going to throw him over the railing. He's like, nope, he's just going to crunch his skull. I always felt like there was a copycat thing that could have done where Myers dies, but somebody became obsessed with the murder.

That's what's Green was great. That's what's going to do Michael Myers. That's what's kind of what Halloween 4, 5, 6 should have been to me. They get caught in between because essentially what you could do is you could have just made Halloween over and over again. And honestly, I would go. And the producer of this movie, Mustafa Akkad, like, he, I think is obviously like probably a, given the amount of scripts that get thrown out, a difficult person to work for. But on the other hand, is like, this is what Halloween is and this is what Halloween movies should be. And this is why people keep coming back to them.

And the reason is that, like, you have a guy terrorizing a babysitter. And it's like, essentially, they create this. that, they have a new Halloween set up in this movie, but they also are getting pulled to, like, I think Loomis is the thing that it's like, he's the one who remembers all of the movies. So every time you have Loomis in there, he's like, he's back. Yeah. His eyes, you know, like, shot him eight times. But it's almost like you could just keep making Friday the 13th over and over again.

And it's like another group of kids go to Camp Crystal Lake and have no idea what they're getting into. But also, they're in, which is interesting at this time, they're in a franchise war as well. They're in a franchise war against. Which is why we had this movie. Against Friday the 13th. They're in a franchise war. They got young upstarts.

Hellraiser is coming along. Later on, the leprechaun is going to come in. They're in a franchise race against these big, huge horror movies. And the mythology of the one dude is, like, super important to all of those guys. You know what I mean? So you were a Myers guy? Sure. Over Jason?

Yes. Over Freddy? Yes. The only competition for me is Lother Face. Kruger to me was the funniest. He was the most terrifying. Like, I was telling Chris outside the, the Freddie scene where he's telling the people that they can't kill him. Yeah.

And he cuts all of his fingers off. I've been stabbed, shot, blah, blah, and I just keep coming back. He just was the man. He was the most charismatic out of all of them. But he was also the most verbose. The other guys didn't really talk. Myers checked the most boxes. He didn't talk, though.

Super horny. dating back to Halloween one. I think it really starts when he was like six and the premature Jackalater came over to hook up with his sister and that really launched him into complete chaos. You mentioned the guy from Dazed and Confused, Sasha Jensen, who played Don Dawson.

It's hilarious that he's in this movie. It's like this, there's Paul Rudd is in six. Some of the cameos are great. Depp is in Nightmare. No, Depp's in Nightmare. No, I know. I'm saying, like, when you watch these movies and someone, like, legitimately, either big or, like, was in a much better film. Kevin Bacon. Yeah.

Friday. Yeah. And you're just like, I can't believe this is happening. So this movie, when it came out, I remember my buddy Jeff, who was, you know, best man in my wedding. And we loved the Halloween movies. And we thought these were done. And then I was in college. He was in college.

All of a sudden, the trailer came out. We were like, oh, my God. So we saw it same day and then had a call after. We were like a little disappointed. It was good, but we were like, why didn't they do this? What do you think you didn't like about it? Was it the Jamie story?

I think our hopes were just too high. It had been some time since you had seen Michael Myers on a while. Yeah, it had been since 81, right? So seven years, and we really had high expectations. The trailer was better in the movie. And we were really disappointed in Loomis, who just was a little bit of a mailing job by Pleasence. But then, as the years passed, it really grew on me.

And I think, if you're going to, do the lineage correct that you probably go 1 to H2O the 2018 one you're probably good with those four but I still defend Halloween 4 yeah I go 1 2 4 not in my ranking but just like if you wanted to watch

them how it should go 1 2 4 and then maybe H2O and then you should definitely watch 3 because it's just such a cool idea I think the problem with 4 is they kill off Laura Strode and they don't explain it so she was 18 and

Halloween 1, 21 and Halloween 2, and somehow had a kid like right after that, but then they make it seem like she died. Yeah, car crash, right? Is that what they said was? I think so. Childbirth death, drugs, parachute didn't open

possibility? Yeah. DUI, I don't know, but they, but I don't know how four can relate to H2O if she's dead in four. Any of those things? I think in H2O, she said, like, it's like she faked her death and like got a new identity. Any of those things? But I don't know what happens with Jamie.

I could blame Myers for. I could blame Myers for getting her liquored up. Yeah. I could blame Myers for... You're doing the Freddie thing, yeah. Yeah, like any of those things, Myers could all be behind it. H-2O was my favorite for a long time. Because I was, like, I was in high school and had...

Was it cool rappers were in there? It was Bust the Rhymes? That's the one that's like the Big Brother House. You're thinking of L.OColje and H-2O. H-2-0, yeah, yeah. So, like... Which is right in that teen movie era of Scream, and I know he did last summer H-2.

And then she's back. She's back in Michelle Williams, is it? Michelle Williams. So it's like, that's another great actor in a Hollywood franchise. And there's a couple of really great kills in H2O. H2O is good. Yeah, I like H2O. Yeah, I like H2O.

Anyway, there's belated respect for this movie, and I think people now seem to feel like this is probably the best slasher movie of the mid-late 80s. Do you know what watching this movie basically does is it's the closest I get to like the feeling I have when I would sneak into horror movies when I was a kid? Yeah. Where, like, I didn't have very high expectations. I kind of wanted to see some sex and violence and cheap thrills. And then you go and you sit down and you watch this and you get, you just start laughing

the second. It's like only two people are picking up Michael Myers at the asylum. You know, it's just like we're in for it, man. Like, not a SWAT team, not a prison convoy. This guy's responsible for 20 kills. Also, I had this for nitpicks later. Like, why was he being transferred? They got to transfer.

It talks about that. We can get to it. But I just, they did make sense. The second it starts, you're like, leave him in the fucking wherever he is now where he's not coming up. But it's a dark and stormy night at a mental institution, and I'm like, this is great. This is such a great B movie experience.

Also, this passes the Craig Rolbeck test. It's like 90 minutes. Might be less. 88, I think. 88, yeah, it just cruises through. He gets it done. There's no extra scenes. So the Thorn trilogy.

Craig, did your dad have a cops do it by the book t-shirt? If he didn't, I would be very upset. I can't wait to talk about that. Did you fill it out as well? I don't think so. The Thorne trilogy was basically that Michael was a victim of the curse of Thorne, which is shown on Halloween 5. There's a guy who shows up intermittently in 5,

a man in black who has a wrist tattoo that's like an old run, and it's the Thorne Colt leader guy. That basically said if this person doesn't destroy his whole family, then all of us are going to die. So we need this person who just keep executing everybody. The whole cult dies. Yeah. Right.

And it was really stupid. People didn't like it. And by the time we got to H2O, we were like, let's start over. We fucked this up. $5 million dollar budget made $17.8 million. Roger Ebert, no review. Yeah. Didn't touch this.

Like, not on his TV show. No review? I couldn't find it. Oh. I checked out chat, GBT, and they told me that Roger Ebert was notably critical of Halloween 4. Yeah. And in his review, he called it a.

cynical retread of the original movie and thought... Bill, don't do this, man. No, I... This is a bad trend for you. Such a cursed category. Yeah. Apparently, there was a review. It's just not online.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So this is... So somehow, ChatGBT knew the review. But thought it was a cynical retread of the original movie. I don't like you. I don't like this. Yeah, it's this new thing. It's like, let's just...

The thing is, it starts here. I don't like you. I'm like you. I'm like... He's going to have, like, chat GP Chris and Chad GP... Sean and chat GP Vann. I like this. And it'll be like Bill... This is how it happens by the Bill in his house somewhere.

It'll be like... One of us will be like, oh, we can't make 1230 and Bill's like, never mind. I know someone who can. Chat GP Van can do it. Starts wearing turtlenecks and talking about the new technological frontier here at the ringer.

Well, it also said, it also said Raj was super attracted to the sheriff's daughter. I don't know if that's true. That's not true. All right, we're going to do most rewatchable scene, which is brought to you by the Home Depot. Spread more joy

at the Home Depot's giant holiday decor. You a holiday decor guy? I am. Make your home something people want to see again and again and again and again. At the Home Depot, there is a huge choice of lights, trees, decorations. When do you get your trees, see?

I was going to say, are you like a late November guy or early December guy? Oh, my Christmas tree? Day after Thanksgiving. Okay. But Home Depot, also, for any of our aspiring Michael Myers, you can find all number of probably pitchforks, oh, yeah.

Machetes, chains. Was there ever a scene where Michael Myers Serial killer shopping at the Home Depot? No, I'm serious. Where they went in there? There should have been a Michael Myers thing at the Home Depot. They should have a Michael Myers aisle

of stuff that they could use. And it's like sharp objects. This is a great. This is a free idea. Take it or leave it. I am not being paid to make this idea. The only person that ever did it was Denzel and the equalizer. That's right.

Oh, true. And use all the different things. He gets them in. Yeah. Well, you can really go big with larger and life to court at the Home Depot. A tree you put together in few clicks like the Grand Duchess,

an eight-foot towering Santa with poseable arms and a flame effect lantern, or an eight-and-a-half-foot towering reindeer with illuminated flashing bells. The Home Depot for a real blockbuster holiday season. Most rewatchable scene. The opening scene,

the credits and all that stuff is just great. Yeah, I love it. They just did a great job. Dwight H. Little, director of this movie, apparently did a lot of research on like Halloween traditions and fall autumn harvest traditions and just nails it. There's a really

good YouTube series called Halloween Atmospheres which is essentially like hour long ASMR videos of like Halloween scenes. Not Halloween the movie scenes but like scenes around like America and it's just like this. It's great. Rines being Hoosiers but the evil version. Yeah evil Hoosiers. See if we

had done this franchise properly we could have made Evil Hoosiers. Evil Hoosiers. would have been great. Yeah. See, Myers could have gone to a basketball and just started

killing people. See, he hates, he hates the three-point line. He's like, because he lost money on Fandall. To me, Hoosiers is evil.

Well, that's another podcast. Right. Next scene. Transferring a dangerous patient for no real reason at all. Let's move him. Michael Myers is now in your hands.

Yeah, well, I guess you're happy to see him go. Locked and loaded. Now, let's roll. We get the Halloween music here. So, give the Kid Cutty Pursuit Happenance War for Best Nile Drop to that, but we got pouring rain. He's put in the back of an ambulance with two doctors and no chains to the bed.

He's not even handcuffed to the bed. They don't give a fuck. These people are dead. They're like, hey, here he has a niece? He's like, well, and when I'm watching that scene, I'm trying to think, well, if you've never seen it, who's going to die? Yeah. Because of the gross negligence of these people.

Well, it's also strange because in that scene, this is a nitpick, but everybody seems to be referring to, like, his atrophied body and his. lack of muscles. You can't do anything, yeah. Why don't they just check? I mean, like, it's not like he shriveled up underneath that sheet and then fills back out again. Just a lack of fear.

It's a weird thing where they're just like, yeah, man, he's all dust and bones anyway. Let's get him out of here. Good finger through the forehead murder. Yep. Really, you really have to... Yeah, push. Think how strong your forehead is.

What I'm saying? Keep going. I really got to get in there. I like this thing with Jamie has the nightmare with multiple Myers. Gets pulled under the bed. I was like a good pull under the bed from a horror movie.

It's also a nice trope in horror movies where it's like the nightmare that becomes real. Yeah. Gas station, that whole scene's great. Michael with the bandaged face. How do we feel about that? I thought it was cool. Would you just run the whole movie that way?

Yes, I would have. No mask? Bandage face Michael? I think they could have broken with tradition there. And just like defeat the iconography of the mask itself. Yeah, I think it would have worked. It's also like there's a couple of scenes

where it's like a different mask. You know, like he's got blonde hair in one scene, he's got brown hair and another. It's just like, just give him the bandages. It would have been sick. Michael, why now? Michael gets to drive a truck and kill some people. We get autopilot Loomis warning the sheriff.

Are you talking about Jamie Lloyd? Wherever she is, that little child is in mortal danger. Myers has been locked up since before she was born. He's never laid eyes on her. Six bodies, sheriff, that's what I've seen. between here and Richmond a filling station in flames I tell you Michael Myers is here

in this town he's here to kill that little girl and anybody who gets in his way here A filling station in flames Just really going for it We have Myers kills brawless girl The Most Fallac way possible

Then kills a guy from dazed and confused Oh you really jumped ahead Yeah you missed a lot of stuff What did I miss? Would you go drugstore? I think the trick-or-treating night of Jamie getting separated from the group Rachel's seeing Brady in the house

with Kelly and Brady just being like, we're not married, you know? I love that. Because Rachel's going through a lot of shit. Yeah. Rachel walks in there. First of all. She's lost her babysitting person.

Yes. Lost her. She had a... She's lost eight kids. Her and Brady had a romantic night planned. It's not happening now. It all went to shit. It was going to be that romantic for Brady.

It sounds like... Rachel was like, I can't wait to get engaged. Yeah. Brady was trying to fuck. Yeah. Well, she didn't realize that. I don't know. You know who realized that?

No, Brady. The cops. Kelly. Yeah. Cops don't have a... And it's so funny that Brady's backup. Cops do it by the book. Cops do it by the book.

She's like, I know what this guy wants. Also, honestly, Brady, like, portraits and courage. To be like, who am I going to fuck? The cop's daughter. Yeah. It's like not even... You're really gambling with something serious. But this was very...

very important theme in 80s, late 80s, early 90s culture was like the girl who wouldn't give it up to the boyfriend and the other girl who was going to take advantage of this immediately. Yes. This was in TV shows, movies galore. Yeah, and Rachel's only revenge is to spill a cup of Folgers on her.

She throws a coffee, she ruins the... She ruins a great t-shirt. But honestly, to that point, Kelly knows what's going on, like Michael Myers is on his way she should put some pants on. Yeah. Kelly's dad is so protective. He's so protective, right? Don't touch my daughter, don't grow my daughter.

Everybody's around. Don't get my daughter a bra. Right. Your daughter's brawless in a t-shirt. No pants on. Hey, dad, hi, Sergeant McCluffy? Like, nobody cares. Like, make her put something on.

Well, I like that he fights back against Myers, Don Dawson. Yeah, he gives him his best shot. I like when he spits on him right before his head gets fucking squished. It's kind of like a gardener minchu just going out there and games. You know you're out matched, but you're giving me a bad. He's redeeming himself because he's been a douchebag the entire movie. He tries to shoot the door. It's metal.

Like, what does that mean? We're locked inside. Doesn't reload the gun, stupid. But he goes out on his shield. The roof battle is really fun. I love that. That's my favorite part. That's my most rewatchable scene.

I just wrote down, Myers kills everyone in the truck, then tries to crash the truck, then gets hit by the truck. and then falls down a mind shaft then falls into basically hell yeah and then the shock ending no no

incredible ending did Pleasence was that his Oscar clip you think? I think so that was his and Donald Pleasance for Halloween 4

no question so your favorite's the roof my favorite's the roof if he doesn't get interfered with right there does he shoot the child

I think he does I think he's I think he's yeah because he's convinced I mean How about this? Right move. Take that kid down.

Yeah. No jury would convict him. No, Jerry, there's nobody left. He's been here before. There's no more peers. There's like five people left in Haddonfield by this point. What do you have for a favorite scene? I'll go with the trick-or-treating night just to mix it up because I really like that.

Atmospherically, it's also like Rachel losing all those kids and having to run around those dark houses looking for them. I really like the gas station part. I think that's my favorite. Anyway, what is the relationship real quick between Loomis and Myers? Loomis? Well, he was his doctor. I know, I know, but... There's good deleted scenes in Halloween one where he goes in and sees him as a six.

He's like, you food them all, Michael. But he won't kill Loomis, though. Right? Well... I mean, he tries. Yeah. I think he would take him down. I thought he had a chance to get him.

Lewis always has a gun. At the gas station, and he... That's true. Loomis is always packing. One thing, he doesn't have any volume. He doesn't have any needles or anything like that. He's always got a burrata. Overcoat and a gun.

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1988 thing about this movie? I will give you the gas station pumps, the cash registers, vigilante mobs, no cell phones, or everything that happens with the sheriff's daughter. I think it's probably the sheriff's daughter.

Okay, well, that leads me to two new categories. Oh, my gosh. Well, one's an old one. The Jamie Lee Curtis Unnecessary Nudity Award, which she wins for that. But a new category, so honored to be here for this, the Van Lathen Nottie White Girl Hall of Fame.

Yeah, she's in. Oh, she's in, okay. I like her. I didn't know if I needed to make the case. So can I ask a question, is nudity ever, ever unnecessary? Well, it depends on the... Yeah, I think so. Yeah, is it shoehorned in for the reasons of life.

You get a lot of, like, especially in the 80s, I think unnecessary, like you didn't need the shower. It was part of... Yeah. It was like, hey, did you put the nudes sit in? Yeah, yeah, it's like the 20th sit. Okay, just wanted to check. Vacation, the vacation one.

Yeah, when she's showering. What is the point of that? So I'm going to push back. I want to push back. Okay. Is nudity entertaining? I think for the audience of this movie, it's one of the components they needed. I didn't ask for a Senate subcommittee.

Like, is nudity entertaining? Entertaining, I don't know if that's the word I would use. Is it interesting? Answer? So if interesting equals entertaining, you would say yes. Then therefore, it is necessary. Okay, because we must be entertained. I think for this movie is necessary.

That's why we're watching a movie, baby. Yeah. We're watching a movie to be entertained. And to be honest with you, I think particularly in a horror movie, maybe you have a point with the comedy. But particularly in a horror movie, they need to change your emotion. Yeah. They want to keep inciting you, right? They want to keep inciting you.

They want you to always be on edge, always be on edge. but then they need to change your emotion. So they need to bring out a little horny, lower your defenses. Oh my God, what's going to happen? Oh, baby, oh, dad. Yeah.

And then they do that, and then boom, the kill comes right back. I think it's a useful thing to do, particularly in a horror movie. It's important to understand the context that in 1988 internet pornography was not invented.

You know, like the mass distribution. Playboy, scrambled cable where you could say a nipple for two seconds. If you were, you know, a young boy, like this was like, I would say if you're an adult. But this woman...

You're Hilsom as Jeff Gallup calling each other. I wasn't an adult yet, but it was like, hey, we're going to have a nude scene in this movie yet? Okay, here we are. I looked her up. Went on to marry Lorenzo Llamas. Yes. No, no, no, that's not true. She starred on Renegade with Lorenzo Lamas and got fired after making derogatory comments about Llamas's wife.

Wait, she never married Lorenzo Lomas. I think she was married to him on the show. Oh. She's been in a couple of erotic. This is how misinformation gets spread. A couple of her. She might have dabbled in an erotic thriller in an 80s spring break comedy or two. Our bodies.

She looks like she's third of the movie. Her name's Kathleen Kinmot. She's, first of all, one of the better horror movie characters because the moment you see, you're like, oh, my God. It's a discount, Mart. Here we go. Love Triangle Time. That's her, like, full-time job. I think she's out of high school by that point.

Oh, is that true? So she's older? I don't think she's in school with them. Hmm. Because they do this in a Halloween one, right? It's like Jamie Lee Curtis has these two friends. Both them are sexually active. They just want to like fuck their boyfriends.

And Jamie Lee Curtis's character is like the virginal and sexually frustrated one. And then those two die. Jamie Curtis has that whole thing. She keeps dropping the knife. She's basically doing a little cat and mouse game with Michael because they're both sexually frustrated. This movie, they're like, fuck it. Let's take this to another level. This is more like a Friday of the 13th plot.

This lady does not wear a bra for maybe 20 minutes of the moment. movie and she's in a Cops Do It By the Book T-shirt and she has this quote to Rachel as they have a little fight in the kitchen. Wise up to what men want Rachel or maybe Brady won't be the last man you lose to another woman.

Oh shit. Fucking saucy. Yeah. She gets killed 10 minutes. She also answers the door on trick-or-treat in that outfit too. Oh yeah. No pants, just a t-shirt.

She's in seduce Brady mode for the entire thing because I could see why she's wearing it. you know, it's akin to the whipped cream bikini varsity blue situation. She wants Brady to be all whatever. Right. It's the Ali Larra character. But like what does Brady got going? He's working at the discount mart. Like is he supposed to be

the quarterback? He's got either that or he has Rachel who's cute but is wearing like a heavy sweater and eating a bagel. Yeah. And just doesn't seem that interested. She is like slathering. Rachel's like hey their parents are going to be gone for 90 minutes. We could probably use that. She's doing none of that.

This other girl's like, yo Brady want to help me my dad's the only cop left yeah house is mine do some trick or treating with me later

and then we'll lock the door and shut the lights off yeah what stage is the best so she's in the Hall of Fame I liked her okay

do you want to keep the Van Leighton and naughty wet girl Hall fame going for future we watch I figured you would what stage the best vigilante mobs

mention them around I have the town turning on itself but that's a really good little moment when he's like when Loomis basically starts the lynch mob on purpose and

he's like, why did you do that? And he's like, because like, you don't have any cops left? Yeah. Smart. Luma, stinking ahead. This is funny. That's so funny. The moment I saw all the white guys in the lynch mob, I went, I don't like that. I wasn't saying, I like it. I'm saying it's a plot, it's a plot

device. It's cool. It's a little. No, no, it is because like. And then they kill Ted. They get Ted. I thought, you know what? They probably, those guys are probably sitting around. They could have thrown one black guy in the witch mob. Just to offset it a little bit. They throw one black guy

in a lynch mob, the men's mob would have a different target. They would, you know, they'd be going for him. Are there any black people in Haddonfield?

No. Have they ever? No. Has Michael, yeah, he killed black people later on. Before a while, Michael Myers,

he hadn't killed any black people. I don't think there were black people on the town. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I thought that that was cool. I liked,

you know, I have a critique of this, but I like the idea that these guys just got riled up by the news. And there were... Some drinks, and some,

some bushlights. it does, it deepens the whole lore, like what you were saying, because they know, I can't happen again, they're older, they get right to work. In the David Gordon Green trilogy, there's like a whole like, like, the town basically turns into Jan 6 or something like that. Like, it's like

they all go crazy because of Michael. They got, like, a bunch of guns and all kinds of crazy shit. What's age of the best horror movie set in Autumn? It's the little girl played by Daniel Harris. Really great little girl horror movie performance. What an amazing? I mean, if, yeah, yeah.

I like Lumis waiting into the water under a bridge to see if Michael was in there. And then hitchhiking right after with a wind up. The mist blowing on that water. It's so creepy. And Hoffman's like, he's dead, you know. I forgot.

I want to see. I forgot to mention the hitchhiking scene, which is fucking hilarious. Yeah. The kids. Come on, oh man, come on. Oh, and they fuck with him.

Oh, I have that for what stage the best. Little kids being crazy super mean. Because we have those kids And the little grade school kids Yeah, Jamie's an orphan Jamie's an orphan People think phones have made people cruel They've always been cruel, yeah

Yeah They will always go for it in the horror movies With little kids What's the meanest thing we can have them? What's age the best? I also have this in what's aged the worst Myers' irrational hatred of dogs Sunday here

Took down a dog in one Took down a dog in four Nice golden retriever I think he lets the Doberman live in five He lets Max live, yeah As soon as... That's like some sort of German thing. When you see...

When you see Sunday, like, really, it's the toughest kill. Because Sunday is like a beautiful, amazing little pup. Yeah. All over the bed, everybody... Would you know Sunday's fucked, though,

from the beginning? I mean, like that golden retriever is going to fuck with them? I don't know. I didn't like that, but Myers. The lesson of 80s horror movies, if you don't take care of your boyfriend, some other woman will.

and then be brutally murdered and about nine minutes later. That was, how many movies? All of them. Yeah, all of them. That's the entire Friday of the 13th ethos is that all the girls who are loose go first. Score by Alan Howworth, Howworth.

Yeah, and the theme is by Carpenter, though. But I like in the Halloween movies where they title the songs. Yeah. So in this one, there's songs called Jamie's Nightmare, Return of the Shape, and Police Station. What's the song title for the Kelly and Brue? 80s sex scene. I don't know. I didn't look that up. Any other with Sage the best? No, not really.

You got it all, but I would just add, we're obviously having a lot of laughs. Like, the sense of humor of this movie is pretty great. The Fortune 3 clap award for most giffable moment is that no, no, no. Great Jack Gordo, Myers, collapsing in the sinkhole. I actually have, it's an homage to Night of the Hunter when the guy's sitting in the rocking chair with the shotgun. I love that. And then it's Rachel, and then Rachel moves out of the way and Michaels and deep focus in the background. It's a really cool little shot. Like when he is, there's one where, yeah, I think that's the same one, where she's running away and then he's coming like on the side of the building or whatever?

Yes, yeah. But it starts with the sheriff's deputy is in the, into the rocking chair. And he's like, don't worry, state police will be here soon. Yeah. That's right out of night of the herner. I don't know if I'd feel totally protected with the guy just rocking in a rocking chair. Yeah, I mean, obviously. Don't worry. I'm going to stay in here. Denny Theves Benny Hanna Award Seen Silling Location. I really like

the abandoned gas stations just in general in horror movies. There's also a great moment because that place has a bar attached to it and all a bunch of pictures of Abe Lincoln just in case we forgot it's Illinois. Yeah, yeah. If there is abandoned or like downtrodden asylum in a horror movie,

that's always my spot. You like going and down. I like going into... We should start investing in abandoned gas stations and asylum. and see what we can do with that, whether it's just like we start showing Halloween movies there, drive-ins, soup them up,

bring back like the drive-in. It's a good YouTube series. Do Halloween tours, haunted house situations there, and old abandoned. But you know what happened? We'll get fucked up. It'll turn it to an actual horror movie.

Big Cochhuna Burger where Best use the food or drink. So the sheriff's daughter, right before she meets her demise, she just makes some coffee for everyone. She has these six giant coffee. Cups of coffee. Like, how much coffee did she make? Did you ever drink instant?

No. Can you remember ever having it? No. I had it when I first started drinking coffee. I would, like, when I would know, when I first moved out of my parents' house and I was in Boston, I would make instant coffee because I was like, my family always cared about coffee. Okay.

I was just always important thing. What's an important thing? Vacation in Guatemala? My mom always cared about coffee. I grew up a family that prioritized coffee. That's really, that's a lot, a line you refuse to cross right there. I just always had good coffee in my life. I'm not going to apologize.

There was a whole era to me where that was kind of the norm. Yeah. Yeah. Coffee wasn't a thing going to the coffee shop. She said how much coffee she had though? She had six, like, they looked like 16 ounce cups. I know. I'm telling you, I'm going to go Galaxy Brain here way too deep take.

When they do a little shit like that, they're like making a little statement. She's a traditional She's a trad wife Yeah Take care of her man Rachel is like I don't want to Like I want to be liberated

And all of that type of stuff One dies one lives Like she's they're making the statement Because she makes all of that Coffee on Reiflex Way more fun hang Than Rachel

Yeah Rachel had a lot going on Yeah I would I just Rather Oh could I Should I just be with this lady The Sheriff's daughter Who's

Brady Or this other lady who I think Mitchell probably had a little bit going on upstairs like more of an interior life and her sister is Michael Myers' niece Well that's I mean Brady doesn't even know who the fuck Michael Myers is Yeah I guess All right, Butch's girlfriend award week link of the film

I'll go last if you guys want to go ahead of me I have I feel really strongly about one thing I have one okay We talked about this on Silence of the Lambs about what's the doctor of the asylum in Silence of the Lambs? what's his name, Anthony Held's character. And this is the mayor from Jaws, but it's like when there's a villain that's more villainous than the villain.

And it starts, they start this movie with Dr. Hoffman. Yeah. Who's just like a giant dick to Loomis, who's freeing Michael Myers, who doesn't think he has any muscle tone. He's got an attitude about it. And he's like, he's dead.

He's dead. Don't worry about it. And then he just leaves the movie. Yeah. So I really like that performance in that character. I just hate that they abandoned it midway through. We would have brought it back. Max Shrek from Batman Returns.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm going, I got to go with Loomis, man. Loomis fucking pisses me off. I hate Loomis. I hate him. Like, to me, Loomis, like, makes me sick.

Loomis, is useless. He's like, he does. Like, Loomis is, he's supposed to be this harbinger. But after a while, like, I blame Loomis for everything that's happening. I had him for the Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This Character was actually good at his job. Bad psychiatrist. Let Umis go multiple times. didn't warn people correctly.

Right. Halloween 1 just fucks up over and over again. He's next to the car doesn't even realize it for five hours. My, uh, Butch's girlfriend,

a word. I just don't think Myers, even though they have him doing athletic stuff, I don't think the actor who played the shape. First of all, he's wearing like padding.

He's wearing like these fucking shoulder pads and he's like kind of doing this. I didn't feel like he was athletic enough. Like, they should have had like I don't know, pick any good athlete from the late 80s playing the shape.

OJ? OJ would have been available. This is pre-whatever, but somebody with some bulk and some size who could move. This guy, if you really watch carefully, he's like a fucking mummy. Later on, they got the dude that played Sabreter to.

Bothers me. The fucking, the professional wrestler, I can't remember his name now. He played him for a little while because he could do all this stuff. Tyler May. Oh, he played Michael.

In that Rob Zombie movies or in the David Gordon movie movie? I can't remember which one it was, but I remember it was a big deal that he played him for a second. What's age the worst? The mask is the most polarizing thing about this movie. It's a lot of the discourse. It's my buddy Jeff's biggest issue with the movie. He can't believe how bad the mask is.

And there's a whole story when they made the mask for Halloween 1. It was a Shatner mask. They doctored it. They threw it out after. They tried to recreate it for two. There was no way to find it. So then they ended up with the fucking stupid mask. They had for this movie, which they changed.

after the schoolhouse scene, which I think was the first one they shot, he's got like blonde hair. He looks like, I don't even know what. But they keep that in for some reason. People really hate the mask. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of the fact that it changes

a couple of times in the movie. Yeah. And so generally. They just should have kept them bandaged. I think that was the mistake. Can I ask you whether you think this is age the worst or not? Is the somewhat convoluted idea that Lori Strode, who has died between two and four,

has a daughter who's not that much, you know, a young daughter, like she has a daughter young. Yeah, she went from not having sex to becomes like a super young mom. But like, would it make just more sense if he had just come back and there was no like family connection? It was just like he's terrorizing the town. Because there's, there are other like ideas for this movie floating around that I think this strode family connections.

a little. So in the research of this, when they greenlit it, the writer's strike was about to happen and the guy had like 13 days to pitch the story and then write it. And I don't think he was expecting 36 years later a podcast picking apart. I don't know if there's a ton of thought. I think he was like, hey, so I thought maybe Lori had a daughter.

They were like, all right, done, go, go, go, three more scenes. You think feel that same way about podcasts where they're like, you know what, man, I was just trying to make my day. Yeah, dude, I was fucking hot. I was just at a coffee shop for three straight. days. I had 10 days to pound this. I had this idea for her niece.

Because the movie comes out and it's profitable so it's a win. He's like, fuck, I fucking pulled that off. Yeah, I wish I had more time. And then later on, you guys come around and a strong family. But look, interesting though, like you couldn't have the face of innocence. They didn't go. It's interesting

to go with a kid in that situation to kind of draw. Little girl. So it was a good, Zach. But her not being in the movie is by far the thing that's age the worst because the character comes back to a new generation of Halloween fans to take the franchise back. The reason she didn't come back is because Jamie Lee

was a super famous actress at that point. Another age is the worst for me. Also, maybe a nitpick, but it's basically some people obviously know who Michael Myers is. Like those kids dress up as Michael Myers to scare Rachel and Jamie. But then Brady doesn't know who Michael Myers is. And they're like, oh, you remember 10 years ago?

And he's like, no. Like, what are you talking about? I didn't like that either. So it's like Michael Myers is either like... I think he was so horny. He didn't remember what happened. He couldn't get straight. Yeah, he was about to bust.

Yeah. Like he wasn't thinking at all about that. Brady had a backup plan. Brady, would you think of the football game yesterday? I don't know, man. I just trying to get alone with the sheriff's daughter. That's all I'm thinking about. I have a couple.

How does Myers... How does they and I have a scene where Myers kills one of the Myers impersonators? It's like a fucking no-brainer two minutes. That would have made it all worth it. Just killed like three of them in a row. Blondewig Myers in the schoolhouse, ridiculous. Rachel takes the kids trick-or-treating and loses all eight kids.

You know how hard that is? You're going from house to house. Like, were they, like, fucking getting in a van together? It's talking to Don Dawson for five seconds. It's got lost in the city from inception. But she also is not thinking straight. No. Right.

Because she's just found out Brady. Brady's way of... He's just like all the other. guys. All right, this is my big one. We rarely do this for the rewatchables,

but I'm going to have to do this with whatever my camera is. So Loomis's scars. We start out with this. He's got, so he blew up at the end of Halloween too.

And he's got, it's like a zit on the left there. Like a burn. It almost looks like an ear with a zip. So they start out there. This is,

I'm just doing this chronologically in the movie. So we start out with this. then we go here and the Zit's gone like did he pop it now it's like more of like a scar tissue it looks like an omelet or a cauliflower kind of thing so that's how that's how we are in that scene oh wow then it's different again

it's a dent there so the makeup artist is obviously not taking Polaroids after every day of shooting this is another example of people not anticipating us doing a podcast about they're like Annie the makeup artist like Annie did you take Polaroids after day three she's like oh shit right so there's they're just fucking winging it. Then we go back. Zit's back.

Now the Zits back. So did Plessons go back? I really like the Zit. They don't shoot these things chronological. They probably shot that when he had it. At the same time. Then it's like it got better. Like he took some medication

during Halloween night somehow. And then finally near the end of the movie, he must have yelled at somebody. Now it's just kind of... It's cleared up. It's cleared up a lot. Yeah. This is all in the course of one day in Halloween 4.

Or maybe it's his connection to Michael Heelsen, you know? The scar by, I don't know how, why, at some point you made. This is why you're the best. That kind of eye for detail. You made a decision. You made a decision with the Zit, with the Zit scar. Like, you got to just stay with it. You can't think get rid of the Zit.

Body count, by the way, 19 for this movie, if you include the dog. More than the combined total of the first two. It doesn't feel like it's all that many kills. He's killing a lot of people, but it doesn't feel like it's all that many kids. Part of it is also. We don't get the police station kills. We only see the aftermath. After he comes in there.

Would you like it more if he didn't kill the sheriff's daughter? Yes. He just kind of chained her up. He was like, I'm keeping her around. She looks great. What's your favorite killing this? I like the finger through the forehead's great, and I like when he kills Don Dawson.

Don Dawson, he crushes his jaw, right? Anytime the killer kills someone with their bare hands. Yeah, so I was going to, my favorite is the guy who's driving the truck to get away, and Michael comes and just, like, tears his face off and then throws him out of the truck. It's pretty good, because you have the leverage, you're on top of the car. I think they spent a lot of the special effects budget on that kill. The Rough Lohan and Rubinick Partridge Overacting Award, it has to go to Dr. Loomis, but you also have the crazy religious guy who picks him up pitch hiking.

That guy's creepy. I like that. Apparently, he didn't know his lines, and Dwight Little had to keep being like this. So would you give it to that guy? I think I would. He's in another movie. He probably is the one that's like throwing 150 like every single

time he talks. Yeah, what's that category we used to have for a guy who's in a different movie? It was, uh, what was the Judd Nelson? Then for that, uh, what was that movie called? Well, I would say, honestly,

I'd say Kelly is in a different movie. Who? In this movie, Kelly is in a different movie. Then, like, that's a sex, how dare you? Sex comedy and everybody else is like Michael Myers. She's in like a Skinner Max movie.

Like, like, The word is out. Her dad is the sheriff. She would know that Michael Myers is terrorizing the town, and she's like, no, it's bone town tonight. Yeah. In fact, Michael Myers creates an opportunity for me to have the house to myself. And then broke in the living room in front of the fire while my dad single-handedly is protecting us.

Ah, but she, this is another reason why I like her. She asked Brady. Yeah. Let's go upstairs. Let's go upstairs. Brady was like, it goes down right here, girl. Yeah. Yeah.

I like the fireplace. Fireplace. Brady was trying to set some ambios. Brady's like, listen, I'm not going to last long. Yeah. Makes no sense to get up. I get up. I'm a kid.

Makes no sense to get up and go way up there. Was there a better title for this movie? Halloween 4, back for more cash? I had Halloween 10 years later. Probably not better than Halloween for the return of Michael Myers, but I think it's in there. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? Why is up to what men want, Rachel? Or Brady won't be the last man.

you lose to another woman. It should be in a high school yearbook. That is the only memorable quote almost in the whole movie. It's fucking amazing. Okay. My second place for best quote was the guy working at the power station

when he sees Michael Myers and says, hey you, this is city property. No trespassing. What are you deaf? Don't try that Halloween shit with me. And then Michael throws him up in the air and he lands on every like transisting. out all the power in the town.

And he's like, oh! Like, 40 seconds. It's so cool. He gets wise, like, at the last minute. Yeah. Oh, shit. There's six-foot-five guy with the mask, and he's like, get off a city property.

Myers, who hasn't lived there since he was six, somehow knows where the cemetery is, where the power station is, where the police station is. Where the police station is. He can just navigate everywhere. Let's take a break in them. do the hottest take. The playoffs are here, and you can predict the action all the way to the finals with Fandul

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Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford how to take a word. You have on Van or no? Myers is the hero of this movie. Okay. I theorize that Michael Myers is actually a natural force. He is like,

he exists in nature. He comes from nature and he's there to enforce natural selection. So the people that die in this movie are so fucking stupid. Like all of them. Yes. We are,

they are so dumb. Yeah. They make the dumbest mistakes. He moves at the speed of a sloth. Yeah. But he outsmarts them still. Yeah. And so Michael Myers,

actually, the earth was like, you know what there's too many people on there? We need to create a force to call the people who are too dumb to go on. Darwin theory. Darwin theory.

And that Michael Myers actually is the hero of this movie. And if you get killed by him, you deserved it. Strong start for hottest take. If this had been the last Halloween movie, it would have been the second best one. Oh, shit. I think in the long scheme of things,

like the long tail, you're like, oh, okay, two's cool, people, there's... This is better than two. I'm with you. But people like three. Two is actually, like,

kind of wonky in places. Two is Friday at 13 for the last half hour. The idea that he passes it on, and if I just gave you the bare bones of this plot of what happens and like Haddonfield 10 years later and then Michael at the end when he gets killed

because he touches Jamie passes the shape on and she then kills her stepmother and like keeps this perpetual that's awesome that would have been like people would have been like what?

Question for you. But the fact that like they basically undo that in the first five minutes of five for the like actually the mom's okay it's cool she's in Barbados

like it sucks But if this had been the last one, this would have been the second best Halloween movie. Do you think they knew whether or not they wanted Michael Myers to come back? I think everybody who they engaged to creatively come up with new ideas for the franchise was like, well, what if we did this?

What if we tried that? What if we tried that? And they always entertained it. And then eventually they would get back to like whatever focus group I did. There was like people who were fucking paying $10 to go see this movie do not want Nazi Michael Myers. We saw that with Halloween.

three with Season of the Wish. Like people want to see Halloween three. I really like the first five minutes on Halloween, too. You like the first five minutes. Yeah, I like when he's chasing him through the houses. And I like when he goes, you don't know what death is to the sheriff. So my hottest take. So Donald Pleasant's famous alcohol problems with him.

Like famous. I can give you some, I can give you some half-ass internet research. Here's some Donald Pleasant stuff for you. Married four times, had five daughters. allegedly drank two bottles of wine before filming a big scene in Halloween one where he talked to the sheriff outside, two bottles of wine.

Jesus. In the S&L oral history book, David Sheffield, who was a writer on the show in the 80s, said, there was one host who came on, he was drunk and senile. He kept going,

where's Gilda? When's Gilda showing up? He was so arrogant. He basically just did a monologue, Donald Pleasance. Who that was. So famous drinker guy. I think Halloween 4,

my hottest take, should have leaned in. to this. Oh, Loomis is like an alcoholic. He's actually had him boozing during the movie and like he's kind of come in as like boozing deranged Dr. Limousy. You don't understand what death is.

Nobody believes him. And he's got like that's kind of like what the preacher character is. Yeah. Like if Loomis had been the preacher and Loomis is just like driving around in circles looking for Armageddon, that would have been pretty cool. Because he's basically an alcoholic anyway the way he behaves in this. Like he's just kind of wandering and deranged. Put the different spin on him always

packing too. Right. I'm just like I'm just quick to this gun out. Maybe they shun Lumis because he can't do anything with Michael Myers. He begrudgingly gets back into the story but he's always on the sauce. He lost his job. Yeah. He's becoming an alcoholic because all these people died and his watch.

Maybe he's obsessed now. He's coming back. He's always drinking. I don't think Loomis should have been employed in Halloween for. I think he should have been disgraced whatever, burned in the fire and now just has a drinking problem. And it's still obsessed with the case. It would have been better. Casting What Ifs. John Carpenter was approached to write a

direct, worked on a script with somebody else. Got Joe Dante attached to direct. Mustafa Akad rejected it. Yeah. And Carpenter was like, buy me out. I'm done. Yeah.

That's what I was good. Debrae Hill, the producer, were like, I'm out. I'm doing that December 31st to you if we don't do Sicario by then. Did you say, buy me out? Pay me it. Um, so they sold their ownership rights back to Mustafa Akad.

Mm-hmm. And they were done from that point out. Carpenter was cooking at that time, too. It's a good time for Carpenter. So I wonder, you think they were bought out, or you think they kept points? I think he's been brought back into the project since then. I think he got a lot of, I think he got dapped up with the David Gordon Green movies. I don't know if he did with Rob Zobby.

I have no clue. So they found this writer, Alan B. B. McElroy, and he had 11 days to come up with the idea and write the entire script before the writer. 11 days. Yeah. Start to finish 11 days. Oh, yeah. I give him a lot of credit. It's like, ah, niece.

Melissa Joan Hart auditioned for the little girl and then Rebecca Schaefer auditioned for the main part and then went to Ellie Cornell who picked this movie over Nightmare 4. Yeah. She then became a very recognizable face. Ellie Cornell? The little girl that's in this?

Oh, Daniel Harris is a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah, she's in a lot. The Van Lathen Award, did this movie need more black people? Hell no. Okay. Because we get out of the town.

You're out. If you could have a black person, what job? How would they have? What character would they play? They would, oh, that's a great question. Like, in this movie, they would, like, play the people. Like, you'd see, like, a black family leaving Hattonfield at the beginning.

Driving past as Mike Ruffington. It was like, hey, hey, just letting you guys know something bad's going to happen there. We're moving on. We're headed to Chicago. Yeah, South Side. Peace. Gone. But I couldn't see us living in Hattonfield.

It's a tough life there anymore. That'd be a fun, like, scene just crammed in out of nowhere, just as black family leaving. We're out of here. In 11 days, they could have done it. You look at them and like, where are they going? And then you made the decision to go yourself. Right. Best that guy were the doctor at the beginning that Chris mentioned,

who's the real villain of this. Yeah. He was one of the Molachi brothers on Happy Days, which was the most famous Happy Days episode. But he was also, more importantly, Drago's trainer and Rocky Four. Whatever he hits, he destroys. I think both stars the that guy.

Over Michael Potaki? Yeah, I think Bo Starr. the sheriff Meeker is definitely He's a that guy man Does Brady count as a that guy or no That's a that guy for us Yeah he's done Dossy

But he actually didn't really do much Yeah I just see him I think he's done to us But he was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a Yeah and he was in he was in like a couple episodes of NYPD Blue or something But he hasn't really done that much in the last 20 years But you gotta have

Consistent that guy energy Yeah yeah Recasting Couch director city Wait do we do Dion? Oh Dian sorry Dionne Waiter's a word. Kinmon, right? I have the sheriff's daughter.

Yeah. Yeah. Or Richard Stay as Wade, the guy who first asks her out. Oh, yeah, yeah. Trying on the sunglasses and wearing the blazer and the discount mart. He's going for it. Yeah. She tells her when the fuck off.

I'm telling you, I like her. Ripped to her. Recasting couch director of City, if you were going to not have Ellie Cornell on this and pick some other more famous actress from the late 80s, early 90s. Like, what if I gave you Jennifer Connolly? Sure. Is that your answer for any late 80s early 90s though? I'm just trying to think of somebody more famous than her.

What about like Justine Baitman? She's too old. Justine? That's a good one. She's probably a tiny bit too old. Tiny? Really? She's playing teen roles at that point?

You know, I thought of Jennifer Anderson too because she was in, I think, Lepricon. Courtney Cox. Right around her. Corny Cox's probably too old. Really? Or maybe not? I don't know.

But it would have been cool if somebody from that era, Shannon Doherty. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. She might be too young. Yeah. This is what, 88?

Yeah. If this was more prestigious, Winona Ryder would have been a good. Wouldona Ryder? Have Winona Ryder ever done like a straight-on this type of horror movie? Heather's was the weirdest. Yeah. Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, or someone else

for the director's commentary? See what he got? Oh, Mike. They got pictures of Abe Lincoln on the wall here. One of our great presidents, also a depressive. I'm going to run back Ryan Ruko.

I studied some Ryan Rucco over the last few days you were ready for this. I wasn't your interview with Breeden. Yeah. Can Michael Myers throw someone into the electrical grid and shut down power

and know how to field? You bet! I like the you bet. All right, there's Rucco. Half ascertained research they filmed in Salt Lake City instead of Pasadena. Had to import leaves and big squash for fake pumpkins.

George P. Wilbur played Myers and had to wear hockey pads under the costume to make himself look more physically imposing. Wasn't big enough. The one of the other scripts, I think this is the Dennis Etchison script, which is available online, had basically the stars or the heroes of the phone would have been Lindsay

and Tommy, who are the kids that Lori is babysitting in one. Oh, see. And that they basically have gone through like therapy. They call it Lindsay in the car. Lindsay, yeah, and it's that's basically a remnant, I think, from would we use different other people from the past in this.

It's a better movie. But it's basically like they live across the street from each other but aren't allowed to communicate because Lindsay's mom's really overprotective. I mean, that's a better Halloween for us. He just goes back to kill those two. Yeah. You're right. Ellie Cornell cut her stomach open on a large nail while sliding down the roof

and lost a lot of blood. Jesus. The cast was really nervous about Daniel Harris, how young she was. So the Wilbur, the guy who played the shape, would take his mask off after every scene to remind her. It was just a movie. Right. That was nice. The Vincent Drugstore, where Jamie goes by a costume, is seen in the 90s in a movie that we've all seen.

Can you name the movie? In the 90s, in the movie we've all seen. What kind of movie? Sports movie. Little kids. Sandlot? sand life. Oh.

I just knew that was going to be something different. I just knew you were about to go, the Vincent's drug store in Salt Lake City was the scene

of the classic 1961 sit-in with the N. The schoolhouse, Chris mentioned the mask with the blonde hair. Then they decided that didn't work,

but somehow didn't reshoot the scene where he had the blonde hair. And it's just fucking insane. But this is what was great about They're like, will anyone notice?

Probably not. Some guy who's making out with his girlfriend in the second to back row of a movie theater really like, oh, the mask work in this is just awful. So, they decided after they viewed the movie, the director and Akad decided

that the violence was too soft, and they could commence with an extra day of blood filming. I thought, I frankly agree. I agree with it too. The movie is not. at all gory.

Mustafa is pissed. It's more like you feel the dread, but there's not that much blood. So they film that, and they film the neck twist. They added two, like, two of the craziest kills were late additions. Some of the kills, like,

throwing the guy into the... It's like a bar fight. Yeah. It's like, there's not a lot of... You don't ever feel like, oh, my God. And we don't even really get to see, like, the mechanic getting killed and chained up. Right, yeah.

It's just like what Luma sees at the end. Apex Mountain Probably nobody Cops do it by the book t-shirts That one definitely Pleasence, no Mustafa Akaddy probably made more movies That made more money

Don Dawson, no way No Right Halloween, no Serer killer movies no I couldn't think of it anymore Doe White Little? Cops do it by the book t-shirts

Probably the Apex Mountain And Kinmont Is it an Apex Mountain for the serial killer is back. Like he's gone for a movie. Because we had Freddie, Jason, and Myers. By this point, there's seven into Friday the 13th, so I feel like that's like now

been established as well as we are. You could almost say slasher franchises maybe are back. Yeah. Yeah. Cruise or Hanks? As who? So I think that Cruz or Hanks could play. All ages are eligible.

I think either young Cruz or Young Hanks could play Brady. So can I give you old Cruz is Dr. Loomis. Cruising it up. Like 73 year old Tom Cruise, being like, I watched him for 15 years. Like going completely fucking year. I think that's the answer, right?

What do you think, Craig? Shouldn't it be for the main character? Like, it should just be who should play Rachel? Right? Oh, the shape? I guess Myers or Rachel. Like, we should be deciding between those two characters. Well, it has to be a male character, though. So that's the shape, Don Dawson, or Loomis. Oh, I see what you mean. Like switch it to a male...

Like it would be Cruiser Hanks and the babysitting hole. This is a very, very millennials gen Z. I'm not saying like the gender... No, no, no, I get it. You're saying gender flip it. I'm just saying, who cares? During this time? Old Cruz?

Sure. All right. Okay. We're doing Cruiser Hanks here as an exercise. It's fucking Halloween 4. How are we doing this? What's happening? Can we go old cruise?

Yeah. I like that. Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, fantasy team name? I think the shape. Haddonfield something? Haddonfielders? Oh, the Haddonfield horrors? Haddonfield horrors? I don't know.

You don't have anything. Cops to it by the book? Cops do it by the bookers? Pickin'its. How did the kids in school know Myers was Jamie's uncle? How the fuck does that get out? This is the thing is there's three different movies happening. There's little kids who know everything about Michael Myers.

I promise I'm keeping that a secret with my adopted kid. Who knows nothing? Another thing, a lot of adoption happening in Haddonfield, but like adopting kids from two doors down. Lori's adopted. Jamie's adopted. It's going on in Haddonfield. Yeah.

I mean, it takes a village, but still. But see, that's the thing that they, that's the meat left on the bone with the movie. Because you could paint the picture of Haddonfield as a, Haddonville as like a totally fucked up society and community. Yeah. Because of everything that happened and like why all of these parents might have left and left their kids and all that dumbass shit,

but they didn't do anything in that. They only had 11 days. Would you adopt the niece of the most notorious Syracola in your town? Unknowingly. Unknowingly. But they knew. Well, then no. And if I adopted it.

That's a no for me. If I adopted her and then I was, oh, well, we got a little bundle of joy. Come home with us and live with us. And then I found out. That's the other thing that's really funny is like their dinner date takes up two thirds of the movie where they're like, oh, like he has to go out to get like his promotion. so we have to take the boss out to dinner. And then they're just gone for the rest of the movie until they check in on the house and that's it.

I mean, we did this extensively in Halloween one when we did that pod. But in Halloween, you don't leave your house. If you have kids, trick-or-chaters are coming. It's like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to the care of somebody else. Where are you going on Halloween? You're not a big, like, do you ever have teen babysitters

watching your kids? Yeah, somewhat, somewhat, but I don't know. I just, where are you going on Halloween? When they would come over to check in for work, would you be watching Halloween? Totally dodged that question. We joked in Halloween 1 about, like, was there like some Haddonfield Country Club key party or what the fuck was going out with all these people?

I just, Myers killed everyone. It's a 10-year anniversary. It's like, should we stay home, make sure nothing happens? No, no, let's go out with the Johnson. Yeah. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. It's like a Tuesday night.

Wouldn't Myers mask be banned in Haddonfield? Yes, that's my point. Yeah, why are they selling it? It's either got to be like scream like the way ghost faces become like a phenomenon or they're like bury this and nobody knows about it. Or Haddonfield, like you're saying, Haddonfield is now a tourist attraction. Yes.

Where people come and there's a whole Michael Myers museum. That almost makes more sense. They did that a later movie, didn't they? They play with the fact that the town is famous for it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like that Haddonfield they switched to filming, which was this middle class, middle America suburb in the first two movies. And now all of a sudden it's like rural farmland.

But it is supposed to be Illinois. Like they do try to like... It doesn't seem like Illinois though. I agree with you. But I'm just saying I think that like the cornfields or like the farmlands are supposed to be like outside of that town. How did I mean a lot of questions about Myers' location stuff

But ends up in the same drugstore as his niece She's trying on stuff like what are the odds Well I thought that was supposed to be the vision No, oh when she he is in the drugstore right? Yeah Like as he's in the reflection after she's He's actually there sometimes she doesn't see him But I don't know how he's in the reflection of the mirror

But nobody else can see him standing in the thing I have a lot of questions In five it is the worst in five it's like Michael Myers is like I'm just doing this visually behind a bush like this. Right. Like the entire time. Yeah. Like you're just like, that's Michael Myers

like right there. Like that's like what are you guys doing? So Myers drives however many miles. Uh-huh. In like a pretty... It's like 119 miles because it's a four-hour drive at one point. Pretty conspicuous giant gas station truck.

When he gets the hitchhiking, it's 120 miles. And the truck has been stolen. Yeah. So you would think that somebody would be like... Goes right to downtown Haddenfield. Right. Parks the car and is like... I'm going to go right into the drugstore

with my fucking bandaged face. Maybe I can go in the back and nobody will know. I'm positive if somebody's noticing this guy and then just kind of lurks around until he can find a mask. But he's got the mask on. He just kind of puts it over his head. Perfect fit. Wouldn't you have to just unravel all the shit in your face?

They just make this seem super easy. They left a lot out. Did Myers know when he threw the guy through the power grid that it would then shut down power? I think that is his goal. I think he's gone there to disrupt power. So then Michael Myers also knows how the electrical grid of the town works.

Yes. I mean, he's had a long time in his mental hospital to study different pieces of infrastructure. If he's the boogeyman, then Satan is guiding the boogeyman, right? So Satan's telling him, go here, go to go here. That's how you have to explain it to yourself. And you're going to find the toughest big mouth ever at the power station. And all you have to do is body slamming it. But he knows that guy's on shift.

Yeah. Because he's staked it out. Yeah. So he's going to go there. It's like, this guy's going to mouth off. we're throwing this guy into the goddamn power thing. Just the weird urgency Hoffman has of getting Myers out of the asylum in the first place. And the lack of clarity about the hierarchy of the asylum where, like, Loomis works there.

He's like, now that I've gotten rid of Michael Myers, Loomis will either retire or die. And it's like, what do you fucking care? Like, why do you hate Loomis? Like, what's the big deal? He like caught Michael Myers. That's like a pretty big get. They probably, there's probably like, what, a couple years of meetings, wherever. every meeting, Loomis is like,

I told you guys, I was watching him for it. And they're like, all right, man, we get it. You fucking watched him for 15 years. But he says something to him. He's like a federal prisoner. So he has like federal prisoner's rights. And I'm like, this is a strange. That's a federal prisoner.

He just killed everyone in Illinois. Maybe Loomis is too braggadocious about the fact that he got Michael Myers. Yeah, he's at the bar. Be like, buy me a drink. I'll tell you about the time. I caught the sheep. I shot him 11 times. We blew up together.

Any other nipicks? Just Myers killing. 16 people in the first two films and then they send two middle-aged paramedics to pick them up at the asylum. Come on guys. Sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable. They basically done all of these except for prestige TV. Yeah.

Still sitting there. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Nell, evil laughing Ramon Raymond, long legs, or Philip Baker Hall? I think that at the trick-or-treat night, when Kelly, Rachel, and Brady are having their argument, Byron Mayo waddles over with his jack-o-lantern. He goes, Kelly, Rachel, Brady, why be at odds when we can be in a triangle?

Somebody fire up some folders. Nothing activates the libido like fear. It's the widget hour. Yeah. Oh, my God. That'd be great. Honestly, this movie would have been better with Robert Loggia in some role. You're telling me that this Michael Myers is back!

Just when Oscar who gets it, probably nobody, but maybe the score? The score is great. Yeah. That's all that's the, that song never gets all the hits. Probably unanswerable questions. Why didn't they just make Jamie the Killer in Halloween 5? I don't have an answer. Just feel like that should have happened.

Make her character? Yeah, like Halloween 5 stars. And Jamie. Hollywood and five is the little girl locked up. And it's like, well, we have to let her out. Like she didn't know what she was doing. She was a disaster. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you remember Wes Craven's A New Nightmare? Not really. The movie where Freddie comes to life inside the actual movie? Oh, yeah. Yes. Right. Yes.

That's the kind of stuff to me that, like, I felt like they should have played around. Because that's kind of like making her the killer. Because in that movie, they're doing a new Freddie movie. And then Freddy comes to life and he's in the movie itself. They do that with Scream 3 basically as well. I don't think they were to that point yet where they could be that inventive. They just gave the people what they wanted to get him.

My unanswerable question is just like, what is Dr. Loomis's jurisdiction? You know, like he's bossing around cops. He's bossing around people at the hospital, and he's always got a sidearm, which is not something I usually associate with my mental health professionals. Yeah, you don't want the mental health professional

to need more mental health help than the people who sell people. And he's just got like a semi-automatic weapon in his trench coat and it's just like, I'm here for Michael! Oh my goodness. Mine is, it was the sheriff

trying to get Brady killed. Oh. He doesn't give him a ton of instruction before he's just like. Brady, here's a shotgun when you see Michael Myers like protect,

like protect everyone. Brady, you know how he used a gun? Boom, boom, did he know Brady was fucking his daughter and is he trying to get Brady?

I would have done that. I knew him was treating Zoe. that way. Do you think when he kills Catherine Kinman's character with the sheriff's daughter? The shotgun impalement. Yeah, where was the,

do you think that was a little more graphic and they had to scale it back? Where do you think that shotgun went? I think it went through her stomach. I think it actually, that happens in one of the David Gordon Green movies. They do that, and it's a little bit more graphic. But I can't.

Like the shotgun through the stomach move. Oh, through the stomach? Yeah, I think, if I remember correctly. All right. I'm not answerable question. I thought we were going somewhere else there. Moving on. I thought,

see, that's what I'm, that's what I'm, that's what I don't know. But I think it goes through her stomach. I don't think. They don't show it. They pretty much suggest something similar to that.

It's a late 80s. Five with a guy putting a condom on. And then he gets, he begins his sexual Congress and Mike kills him. Yeah. And it's like pretty like obvious what he's done. Have you seen Terror Fyre Fire 3?

Yeah. So. Yeah. It happened. Have you seen the Terrifier movies yet? Too gory for me. Okay. As you know my stance.

Would it have been more funny if this movie took place in Boston when he goes to the power grid part? You think you better than me? Can't tell me to do my job? Retainer. Best double feature choice. Interesting question. I would say it's really. just one is the only narrative

stuff you need to know, but two is good just to know why Donald Pleasance has such a fucked up face because he explodes. I also at Halloween, too. I go, Jason takes Manhattan. Oh. You ever see that? I like that movie. Yeah. I do too. He's just kind of Jason and Jason Roman. That's like Let Jason Cook.

Just give him some toys. It's also there's a point where they were just like, what can we? Let's put him in space. Let's put him in the city. Let's do all sorts of stuff. You know who killed that movie? Aaron Judge. That's why he's dead Oh my god The Andean Red Zawatna word for what happened the next day I'll tell you what didn't happen

They didn't find the body Just went in that sinkhole They were like ah he's probably gone In five the first scene of five is like what happens next And it's not only does he fall into the sinkhole Everything collapses on him They also dynamite it And he just like floats away in groundwater and like

Didn't anyone see first blood? Yeah. Dynamiting a location. And then you killed the guy. Jamie, it turns out she didn't kill her mom, even though it certainly seems that way in the film, but just injured her.

And she goes to an insane asylum or like a mental institution and she's mute. So we have a very clear Zwananao here. And he, and Michael Myers, before you move on, he's like Wolverine. He's got a...

Yeah, he goes to some dude's fish shack and recuperates and then kills the guy who helps him. Right. They did a podcast, though. What piece of memorability would you want from this movie? The guy in the fish shack was like, Michael, they're taking too many threes. They're killing the game I loved.

What piece of memorabilia would you want? The cops do it, man. I had that as well. Only one pick. Coach Finstock were a best life lesson. Don't tell everyone you adopted the town murderer's niece. I'd start there. Any other life lessons?

How about don't adopt the town murderer's niece? Yeah, if you're going to either way. Or if you're going to adopt her, like, she should go live in a different town. Yeah. If you're going to trans- New name, new identity. Right. No, you're not this person's daughter.

If you're going to transfer a notorious killer based on the fact that he's been in a 10-year coma and you think he's withered away, just check the biceps. Do a little bit of a combine test on him. Yeah. And see- That's fair. Yeah, bring in a masseuse. Yeah.

Who in the movie? The masseuse. Who won the movie? I'm going to go Daniel Harris. Because I think Breeze a little new life into it. And she's really good. The way it ends, you're just like, holy shit, that's a terrifying last shot. Yeah.

Of her holding the scissors. So, yeah, I'll go Daniel Harris. He's probably right. But I'm going to go Michael Myers. I had Myers as well, but I like the Daniel Harris call. Yeah. Myers starts the franchise. We make 10 of these.

Producer Craig, not a horror movie. movie guy. Didn't enjoy scary month. Can't wait to get to next week. What do you think? Sure. You know. How many Halloween movies have you seen now? I've only seen Halloween one, so now just two. So this was a nice follow-up based on what it sounds like two and three are. That this feels like a natural follow-up to that. Yeah, look, the look and feel of these movies I like a lot because these feel like holiday movies, too. Unlike the conjuring or insidious or something. I'm like, this is like holiday horror, which I like.

This is watchable. It's still scary in moments, but the level of kitsch, it just feels inviting. Honestly, there's a lot of parallels to like stranger things when I watch these movies. I think that they very purposely, like, referenced. Totally. And I just think that, I know that Stranger Things, a lot of people, you know, the Spielberg influence, but I also think Halloween looks a lot like the, the idea of like the Curse City, Haddonfield versus Hawkins. Is Haddonfield.

The music is very similar, yeah, for sure. So Stranger Things ripped off Halloween. But it ripped off the genre. There were many cursed cities, right? Springfield, like all it is. And it borrows from the 80s kind of vibe. Buffalo. Camp.

The scents, the fleaves blowing across the suburban streets. Yeah. I have a question for you. I thought about this while I was watching the movie knowing that we would be talking about it. Are you a Brady? Was that high school Craig? Elaborate on that question.

Yeah, this feels like a tough one to answer. So I'm thinking, when I'm thinking about Brady, I'm thinking about a guy who means well, might have too much dip on his chip, caught between two ladies. And I'm like, is Craig Brady? Are you a Brady? Would you have, do you see yourself in Brady from this movie?

Are you saying, did I find myself in predicaments in high school where I had to decide between two paths in life? Two paths, two ladies. Two loves. Two loves. But then you make the good decision in the end, like I could see you because Brady's not bad. Brady makes an impetuous youthful decision,

but then at the end Brady steps up. Sure, there might be some parallels between Brady and I, but I'll plead the fifth. There you go. Yeah, that's smart. So you like this movie? Yeah, these are fun. I have a good time with these.

It sounds as gory too. No, these are like easy fun. Like I said, this is holiday horror, which I think it's an inviting feel. Also, the music is just so much better than anything. I was at a bar last weekend, And they remixed this song, and everybody was so into it. To me, the music, that's the scariest part of the thing.

Like, when that comes on, you know. That wins the movie to me every. I mean, I'm only said to, it's the music. He's actually, yeah. All right, so scary month is over. What was your favorite of the five we did? I think Poltergeist. I like Poltergeist.

Again, you can see, you can see why I like that in this over, you know, hereditary. the other one we did? You hated hereditary. Yeah, I don't think, I think that should be wiped from the internet. We had a couple, we had a couple that we didn't do. Well, we're saving it. We'll do another scary month. We have some good ones left.

Halloween 25. What was that one? No, Halloween. Oh, Halloween, 2025. Are we going to have like a, like a pallet cleanser next week? Are we going to do like Shrek? Yeah. We have some better plans.

It will not be a pallet cleanser. I can't wait for your reaction next week. Bill, thanks for having me. C.R. Van. Thanks very much. Thank you, brother. Don't forget to watch us on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel. Thanks to Craig Worldberg for producing.

See you next week.