The Rewatchables - ‘Halloween II’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan don’t know what death is after rewatching the 1981 return of Michael Myers in ‘Halloween II,’ starring Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Ronak Nair, Chia Hao Tat, and Eduardo Ocampo A Mountain of Movies® on Paramount+. Stream now! A House of Dynamite, on Netflix October 24th. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.® Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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hilariously funny. This movie is really funny. It's full of inexplicable decisions. What is your relationship with this movie's here? What's my relationship with this movie? Well, I love the Halloween movies, and I think this is the best of the sequels, even though I have a real, real soft spot

for Season of the Witch. Yeah, I know that. That's so weird. I don't like that movie at all. I also like H-2. I did too. A little cool, Jay. This is so cool. First black guy ever to survive a horror movie. Well, that's because he wasn't killed in the horror way.

You know what happened to me. They zagged on him. They zagged on him. It was like a mistaken shooting thing. And then they were like, we can't let him die like that. It's like a cool joke. So come back. I think that this is really cool because it happens on the same night.

Like, it's very rare that you get a sequel that captures the same compressed pressure and tension of the first one. usually you'll be like five years later, 10 years later, 8 years later. This is like, no, this is, we're right back in it. Jamie Lee's got a wig on. It's still Halloween. We're still in Haddonfield.

Jamie Lee's got a wig on. Loomis is running around looking for cigarettes. And it goes off. I want to ask you, this is our third time around the block with Mike. Yeah. No Jason, no Freddie, no leather face. What keeps bringing you back to the shape?

First of all, the goat. You like greatness. You respect greatness. You feel like Michael Myers is the goat? I was going to do this later because it's him versus Voorhees in the finals. You would say Freddie? I'd say Freddie is like a three seed.

Yeah. Okay. But versus Forhees, Myers, more realistic, original came first, funnier, just flat out funnier than Vorhees. I thought he had more of a purpose. Right.

I don't really know what Vorhe's. Orhys, it's like, yeah, I drowned in this lake. I'm just going to kind of protect this campsite. But now I'm going to be in Manhattan. I'm going to be, like, Myers is like... That's like an eight, though, dude. I know, but Myers is like Haddonfield's my spot. But my favorite thing about Myers is Horny Myers,

which we really only get in one and two. Right. I like, he's like, I'm not just going to kill both people in this hot tub. I'm going to watch a little. Yeah, I'm a little bit of a voyeur. I'm going to try to grab some boob here. Oh, my God. Yeah, he did.

He went for it. He was an 18-year-old going. Through some stuff, which I think... She's licking on the hand and all of that stuff. Oh, yeah. My house is like, oh. Nurse Karen. Jesus. I'm different in that...

Am I... I feel like Freddy is the clear guy? I don't know why. Really? I do. What's the case for Freddie? A couple of things. Is he realistic? No, Freddy is definitely not realistic.

To me, of all of these guys, Freddie has by far the most personality. These guys don't have any personality. Freddy's got personal... Welcome to prime, bitch. Yeah. And Freddie is, Freddie's making jokes. Freddie, if you do Kung Fu, Freddy will block that shit with a different discipline.

You know, Freddy, to me, Freddie has pizzazz and flair. And to be honest with you, he was by far the most terrifying. Because these two guys, obviously, they're forces of nature and you can't stop them and all of that stuff. But I just used to be so afraid of Freddy because you had to fall asleep. Did Freddy exist, though? Did Freddy exist? Did he exist or was he just implanted in your mind? that was like murdered by the town.

Wasn't he burned alive by the town? Yeah, because he was fucking with kids. But was he a real person though when he was killing all these people. Was he killing them? No, he was a figment of their subconscious, right? He's a sleep demon. Yeah.

But that's not, Myers was a real person, at least at the start. What are you talking about? He thought about it for 15 years. But he was a patient. But you understand that Freddie Kruger was also a real person who was killed and then made a deal with a sleep. demon spirit and became a

manifestation of people's in the diamond bracket. That's like a whole different bracket. If what you want is real is and then there's nothing realer than leather face. There's nothing realer than just understand. Understand that also if you're talking about real, I know they did canonize it, but there's the whole curse thing that happened and this guy. We did this when we

did. Right. Return of Michael Myers. There's the Thorne's trilogy. There's obviously a supernatural into supernatural. They had to do that for the sequels. Leatherface, out of shape. You kind of, he kind of had to, it had to be a home game for him. You neither you in this house. I don't think he could have gone on location. You don't think the leather face could have done a home game.

I think he needed the crowd. He needed some help. He's a dome quarterback. He's a chainsaw. Yeah. Right. Like, note, what was leather face without a chainsaw? Myers was like, he had hypodermic needles.

He had kitchen knives. Like, if you're making a ham sandwich at night, he'll just take the knife. These are true killers. We really needed like a hell in the cell with all these guys. Yeah. You know, we should have brought them all together for like an expendable. So you're saying leather face is like goff outside in the winter. Yeah.

He needs the dome. He needs Ben Johnson. Well, Myers, any system. Yeah. Any system of Myers is good in. Nobody would have been better as a movie serial killer just wandering around a town after being shot six times being like,

oh, that girl's on the phone. I think I'll just take her out just for sport. But you do real, first of all, that's actually a critique I have of the movie. Yeah. He, I can make an argument. Freddy don't pass up no bodies. Freddy see you, he kill you.

You out. Yeah. You're done. There times in this movie where Myers is running from the grind. Myers is walking to the hospital. Their kids walking by them and stuff like that. He doesn't kill kids, though. I know, but he kills women and then fat guys.

Right. So, like, people like... He kills athletic guys too. Kind of. Sometimes, maybe, if one gets in his way. Babies off limits for Myers. He had a chance to take out the whole nursery. It was too easy. Yeah, what is it would be evil to do that?

Is this is Halloween 1A instead of Halloween 2? It's basically like, did you like Halloween? What if we supersized it? What if we just kept it going? So many sequels wind up being like, well, now we have to explain this. And now we have to do that. And future Halloween movies did that. But this is just like, what if the night just went on?

And he came back. Well, and with more murders. It's a supersized. Because we're in the slasher era, which from 79 to 81 gives us Friday the 13th, Halloween ripoff, part two, prom night, fun house, when a stranger calls, terror train, he knows your loan. Happy birthday to me in Halloween, too. All in like two and a half years.

And it's just this becomes, you can make these for 400K and make 20 million potentially. And guess what? I've seen all of them. They're very reliable. The one that was the best idea that wasn't executed, the best was Terror Train. Okay. Just a really good idea for a horror movie. Like, you're on a train.

You can kind of sneak in out of the cars. You can wander around. I still feel like trains would have been a good... Somebody should have figured that out. Why are you staring to me like that? I'm not. Well, what do you think the best location is? No, I'm listening to you.

I've never seen a train before. I've never seen it. It's exactly what you think it is, but poorly done. My favorite location... Problem that wasn't bad either. Problemize a good one. That's also the Jamie Lee. Sleepway camp, would you consider that?

Slasher? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then 82 had even more of them, including one of my all-time favorite, Silent Rage, which is unfortunately too obscure to do on the rewatchable.

I love Halloween, and I love, I love, I love Halloween because I came to Michael Myers' late. I should also say that Freddie was of my, just in my formative terror. Yeah. It was Freddie, right? Right. But I came to Michael Myers later, and I like Michael Myers. Doesn't talk, walks, kills, completely strong. Couple head tilts.

like, you know, the whole deal. Drives. Drives. Relitless. Knows where the phone lines and the power is and every place he goes. It was about Celtic, like, you know, pagan rituals, you know?

We talked about that in the Halloween one pod. Like, so you assume he's possessed by some evil spirit that can then give him the answers in his head because he was in a mental institution. You wouldn't have assumed that when you first watched Halloween, though. Right. By Halloween, too, it's like... Because he got to keep coming back.

Totally realistic. He could just find where the elementary school is, maybe deface some pictures, write Sam Hane on the chalkboard, then he's off to his next stop. He can follow the Hollywood Haddonfield Hospital Science. Oh, it's to say that?

So I'm taking a left hair, cool. This is my problem, or it was my problem back then with the slasher movie. Yeah. Is when I would watch horror movies, I would need to feel overwhelmed. Like, there's something that I cannot stop, you know? Yeah.

And then with Michael Myers, you know, I feel like if you can get to the car, he's just going to walk, you're out, you could blow him up, you could do stuff. That's why it was always the supernatural stuff for me. I mean, you could, if you had like, let's say you had like an RPG. Yes, if you have it. Like if you have it, right? If you, like if you, but for me, a lot of the horror movies that I watched, particularly during the 80s, they were all supernatural in some way. What are you going to do with Hellraiser?

Right. You're fucked. you know, like Freddie, all of that. You got to get, you got to go, to beat guys like that, you have to go find some old, ancient nun that's like, this is an evil that's been around for eons. And, you know, and so that was the stuff that really scared me. But later on, I came to love the slasher movie.

Okay. Can we talk about... You're all right, your team Freddy. I get it. We haven't done a nightmare movie yet. We haven't. We haven't done Friday. I guess my thing is, what's your issue with Freddie since you're excluding him from the

See, that's the thing is I can't tell if you're holding on to these and letting them accrue value or whether you're just like, I actually don't want to do Vorhees. No, we should do Vorhees. I mean, the Friday of the 13th have not aged great, but we should probably do... I kind of disagree. One and... Which one do you like? I really like two. I like Final Chapter a lot.

That's the one with Corey Feldman. Oh, that movie's great. Yeah, you're right. Those two were really good. Yeah. I do like the Corey Feldman one. That would have been a great... Feldman just should have become Vorhees.

Even Glover's in that one? I guess he was too short. Glover, yeah. And the kid from Last American Virgin, Lawrence Monison. Okay, let's talk about worst ideas ever in a sequel for movies that I actually love. Because I think Myers turning out to be Lori's brother

in Halloween, too, is my second least favorite thing for a sequel. I'm going to give you my top four. Coming in at number four, Rocky losing all of his money in Rocky Five, thanks to some bad Polly investments. Why the fuck are you letting Polly invest anything? I know you like Rocky 5. Stop.

It enrages me. I have an irrational. Even as a kid, I was fucking 10 years old or something like that. I was like, you mean to tell me this fucking guy gets his head beat in for years and years. For no money on Christmas. For no money, then he goes back to Philly. Yeah. Tough living.

Okay. Yeah. It gives and it takes. And by the way, no one to even give Rocky any real advice because there should have been someone that should have said, Hey, Rocky, just let you know, you don't have to, you're still one of the most famous guys in all those sports. You could go sign autographs.

Right. You could do commercials. There's all kinds of things. By 2% of the Eagles. There's a lot of things Rocky could have done. Even after Pauli lost all his money, he didn't have to become the trainer for the up-and-coming heavyweight who didn't respect him.

That movie enrages me, even though I like it. I can't believe the decision to take all of his money. And now we know he could have been in Koso Nostro sponsored poker games. That's where he could have lost his money. Yeah. Come play games with the rock. Can interest him to Flappy. Yeah.

Flappy. That's number four. Number three for me is Godfather three, the decision to have Michael's daughter fall in love with so his sony's illegitimate son. Yeah. I can't believe nobody at any point taught Coppola out of this. Like, wait a second. This is kind of fucked.

up, man. Sunny and Michael were brothers. Don't do this. Not to mention don't cast your what. That's number three. Your cousin. It was the first cousin. I know, but I'm saying, he says, hey, you can't. It's your cousin.

So number two for me is, it turns out Michael Myers was Lori's brother and Lori got pulled away and adopted. I want to go into that in a second. Number one for me, I've texted you both about this. Another 48 hours, Keo becoming the Iceman. That's number one. Number one. It's just

because it changes how you watch the incest. Who gives the shit? No. His brain is so. I know it changes the first free hours. It changes how you watch 40 hours one

because you're watching it going well Keio's the ice man. Why is he helping him? Why is he telling him Reggie called? Like it's just it fucks up the first movie. He's like, we watch stuff now

with such a different perspective. Right. Where we're like Game of Thrones like we're going to figure out like what this dream means and whether or not like that means a dragon's going to fly ties into season two, episode three.

It actually does pay off when you have, like, attention to detail, like the way that Game of Thrones generally had. They were making this shit up as they went along. There are obvious scenes in Halloween 2 that are, like, John Carpenter's idea of, like, maybe we can make this an anthology. There's stuff that they put in after the fact because they felt like it wasn't testing right, whatever it was.

So it's just like, when we go back and we're just like, Kehoe can't be the Iceman. It's like, or he could be. They just decided he was. Yeah. In this movie, you get the feeling that there was, at some point in the times that people went, the people that were making a film that they said, why are we people watching this movie? Yeah, what's our hook for this one?

Yeah. Like, are they watching to continue the story? The first story was so great. This movie is going to take that kinetic energy and bring you right back there. More kills, more thrills. Or is there a deeper movie? Yes. and a deeper motivation for Michael Myers to be this obsessed

that we need to put in the movie for it to make sense to people. And they just decided to go with it. So when you arrive at that question, you arrive at, like, do you think Season of the Witch is good or not? Now, I understand that that movie has detractors. I happen to be a supporter of it. But what it does is it was essentially John Carpenter and Debra Hill's idea that the overall vibe of Halloween was the star.

And not Michael Myers. And that the synths, the Dean Cundee's cinematography, just the feeling of it, that's what Halloween is, and Michael Myers is just one character in what could be many stories that are kind of set on that night

or around that night. I actually think that's right, and you're right. Them being like, well, how can we make the stakes feel higher? She has to be his sister. And that kind of feels really stapled on, like the flashback sequences

from like the sanitarium or whatever that we're seeing in the movie. So why are they taking her to the sanitarium? Exactly. The parents, they said the parents are dead. So the adoptive parents are like, you know, maybe she should have a relationship with her homicidal brother. Let's take her to Smith's Grove.

And she can just be scared by this. It makes no sense. I thought, I mean, that part makes no sense. But on top of it, I actually think it's the movie's better and the franchise is better when they're, Myers has no purpose. Yes. He's just a fucking serial killer. He's a killing machine.

He found, he followed. He was in. this little brown station wagon and saw these three girls in Halloween 1 and one of them's like, hey asshole, speed kills. And he's like, that's it.

I'm fucking killing this girl. It's dead. That's it. There's nothing about it. But I will say that I guess what happens is with Michael's

increasing resistance to death, like they try to kill them every way. I'll talk about it later on. But, man, if Humus don't get rid of that in 1982 Hill Street Blues ass

gun that's not doing shit, that old-ass revolver that Michael just eat those like chicklets. Right. Just pop, pop, pop, pop, get off. There's like little BB guns. He's like, ah, oh. He gets hit a couple of times in the head, and he laughs. He smiles, get that shit away from here.

Yeah. But with that, with his increasingly, he just can't be stopped. The question then would become, like, why? Is there for the love of the game? After a while, you would just think maybe you'll stop. But if there's something deeper, maybe you can hook the audience into believing

that this obsession is rooted in some. So that's why I think that the second one works so well, though, because it's the same night. So you wouldn't be like, we've called the National Garden. Right. You know what I mean? You wouldn't be like we've got a seal team on the way. There's an unstoppable supernatural killer on the loose

in suburban Illinois, you know, But it's still happening. Yeah. It's like we haven't even gotten our hands around this. Halloween night is still happening in other pockets of this town. That's the funniest thing when you're watching him walk around the small town and the guy's walking right by with the boombox. And I'm like, how is this not like cops are driving up and down the street on loudspeakers being like, get off the streets?

Michael Myers is back. Well, that was Loomis's terrible advice in the first movie. He's like, you can't. Yeah. Then everybody will see him. they'll be panic in the streets. It's like, maybe a good thing? Yeah.

Yeah. This guy's a fucking serial killer. Maybe you should get the word out. Yeah, Loomis is the Brian Kelly of serial killer stoppers. Loomis is literally, he's the Brian Kelly. Loomis, he has for some reason all the respect, but gets nothing right. Just continues to take losses to somebody, you go, because somebody killed Loomis, everything would be better if Loomis is out of here.

Loomis, everything Loomis wants to do and then he just doesn't, he's not inspiring in any way. And he's wearing a brown raincoat 24 hours a day. Even during the day when it's like 75 in Haddonfield. I don't understand anything about Loomis. Why does he have a gun? He's like a therapist.

He's also died as many times as Michael Myers. He has true. He's as later ones. He's as obsessed as Myers is when I was a kid, the thing that scared me the most about this movie, though, was what you're talking about. It was the tone of the movie.

Yeah. It was the fact that I hadn't really seen a horror movie where the guy was just walking around and people didn't realize the type of danger that they were in. That used to bother me, right? People didn't realize that death was lurking right around the corner. He was walking past them. Who grabbed one of them in any moment? Like I said, maybe he should have.

But that when I was watching it, just the way that the movie was shot almost as if it were a documentary, that's what used to bother me about it. Well, what's the best version of this sequel? Because to me, as weird as this sounds, it's very similar to Rocky 2, where Rocky 1's a huge success and at some point they realize... Got to do this again. Got to do Rocky 2. We'll just continue it the same night,

and then we'll try to figure out the stories we go along, but basically this time he'll win. But Rocky 2 starts the same way where you see the ending of Rocky 1. Then we go into the ambulances in Rocky 2, and they're playing the music, the hospital, he goes to see, but they kind of don't really have an idea for that movie other than he has to win this time. And in this one, it's the idea is basically, the Nate keeps going and he just kills more people.

If we had been in the room, I don't think the last part should have been rooted in the hospital. I would have, I actually like when he's just kind of moving around Haddonfield, like what you guys said, where it's, it's scarier, just have them in the middle of normal activity. So are we pitching alternate sequel ideas here, or are you talking? I'm saying for Halloween 2 specifically, we end up in a hospital for the last hour plus of the movie and it just becomes a hospital movie, which that could be any serial killer movie.

Like the scary part is Haddonfield and him wandering around. I think that's been some of the stuff that's worked the best in the other Halloween movies. Yeah, I mean, I think the hospital at least gives it, it distinguishes it from the first one. True. Because if you had the second one and it's just him stalking around suburban. I would have got a little less hospital, though.

Maybe 40 minutes in the hospital. To me, you had to change something about the movie in order to exactly make it unique. So the setting of it being kind of enclosed is kind of the different thing here. I think the best version of the sequel is, you think Michael's dead, they're transporting him away.

They get maybe like two, three hours outside of Haddonfield, right? Or even like an hour to a little time. He pulls the mask off? He pulls the mask off. Or there's a car accident. He flies out. He grabs a scalpel, and now he's rampaging around in that town. Yeah.

Which then gives the people in Haddonfield, they're close enough for him to start killing, and then from them to come from there to the new town and try to convince people that Michael Myers is going crazy. But it's like Halloween 2, one town over. Oh, yeah. Halloween 2, colon 1 town over. Coling one town over. Because it's still Halloween.

Coling one town over. Yeah, like, it's still Halloween. and these people like, they might have heard a little bit. Did you hear what's happening in the Haddonfield or whatever, whatever? But it starts to happen to them. Could it just be Cleveland? Halloween, too, Cleveland? Oh, just let loose in a large urban environment.

Yeah. Unlike Jason, Mike never had away games, you know? Yeah, true. Well, I think, as I said earlier, the best thing about this movie all these years later, it's been 1981. at 44 years. The movie fucking is hilarious now.

It's unbelievable. Yeah, and we'll go into some of the scenes, but the scene when Ben Trammer gets tragically killed, I can't wait to talk about that. All the stuff in the hospital. Oh, my God. I can't wait. So I want to save it for when we get to the rewatchable stuff.

Carpenter and Debra Hill co-wrote the screenplay. Carpenter didn't want to direct. He ended up doing Escape from New York, a beloved movie for us. Yes. Fantastic. Yeah. handed the direction over to Rick Rosenthal,

and he ended up getting a little involved in filming some stuff. But he had wanted this to be an anthology series, and he didn't think Michael Myers was like... He was like, you can't build a movie around this guy and kill him at the end of every movie, and then he comes back at the next movie. Oh, little did he know. Little did he know.

They ended up doing 12. Yeah. Were we yet in the era of the singular entity slasher movie that comes back for like five movies. Have we quite gotten there yet? Maybe he didn't believe in it because there was... The guy that doesn't die was not a concept. Yeah, Myers and Voorhe's, I think, to my knowledge,

are like the first ones to be like... Well, the gimmick for part two of Friday 13th was the mom was the murderer in part one. Right. And then part two is like, now Jason, he's come out of the water. Yeah, that's like the misnomer is you put on Friday at the 13th and you're like, wait a second. This is just like a middle-aged woman with a mask.

Yeah. She's the original Karen, a lot of people say. It was. Yeah. It took a lot of stuff personally. There you go. Kids having sex. Middle age crazy.

Kill them. Like the whole nine. She's like, I don't want to. She's just, he's just telling on people. Yeah. Keep it down.

Or you die. People are taping her on cell phones. Do you guys think the villain who can't die, the guy who can't die, is the key to a good horror villain or a bug? Do you enjoy that he can't die or do you wish they could die? It was the key then. Now they've changed it.

It's the key to the sequels. Right. But do you like that as a character quality, that Michael Myers can't die. It was important then because the whole movie was oriented around him. Now with the movies, it's normally supernatural stuff. And that can be different every time. What you orient the movie around now are the people that are fighting the ghosts.

And so every single time, you can know that they're essentially Avengers. You can know that they're not going to die and put different crazy. But at that point, it wasn't really about that. It was about the guy that wouldn't die until you needed him to move. You know what's an interesting example right now is Black Phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the first Black Phone, the Ethan Hawk character is essentially like a Michael or a Freddie, like, outcast guy who's, like, praying on children. The grabber.

And then in the second one, the grabber becomes supernatural. Like, he's existing in people's dreams. He's haunting them. Because it's the Superman complaint, right? It's like, how interesting is this if he can't, he has no, he can't die? This is what, honestly, this is what I was saying earlier. This is why they did the sister thing. Because with Freddie, you start learning new stuff about Freddie.

Okay, Freddy's mom is a nun. All right. Then Freddie's mom is, Freddie is the bastard son of 10,000 maniacs. And so it's all that they deepen the lore. And they have to keep doing that to give you explanations to why this thing won't go away. And there's nothing you really can do. It's just kill it for a little while and then it's coming back. Well, let's start with the real explanation.

The ending of Halloween one left the door up. for one of the most obvious sequel opportunities we've ever had. Right. Right. This guy comes back, kills some people, falls off the balcony. Loomis goes, Lubin's looks out, he's not there anymore, and he's still out there. So when they, you know, I remember being a little kid. I didn't see Halloween in 78, but I saw the re-release in like, I don't know, 80 when they were setting up Halloween tune.

It was just like, all right, what's next? Let's run this back. And I do think they put very little talk. time and thought. Like, Carpenter basically said I was drunk when I came up with the sister thing. Yeah. Because they're just writing a script.

They're taking 10 days and saying, oh, how about he's at a hospital? Oh, yeah, let's try that. And then all of a sudden, you have the whole script. I don't think this was being planned out like Pulp Fiction. Sure. So wait, what's the obvious sequel thing? It's just like he gets up and he's just still stalking around,

but there's no sister problem. I don't mind the hospital thing, the unfinished business with Lori. Yeah. Got to get her. But the thing is, they have all this, you know, sexual attention in Halloween 1 that they're pretty clear about. So Star Wars thing going on. Yeah.

Yeah. And then at Halloween, too, it's like, yeah, it's his sister. And she's like dropping the knife fallically. So you think he cares about that? I think maybe that's part of his thing. He likes it. I think he likes it a little bit. He's into it.

Kind of the same thing with Godfather 3. But how would he even know he had a sister is the other thing? He's been locked up. He was six. We don't know how Michael knows. what he knows. Yeah. Right.

True. So he apparently knows how to... No internet. Yeah, but he's like an expert with how to use syringes. Like, how did he learn that? Is it, in Michael's mind, is he the good guy? In Michael's mind, is there something rattling around in there where Michael thinks that he's got to kill all of these people because they're wrong?

Is there a... But what did they do wrong? Who knows? Locked him up? There's a different reality. where Michael is like, there are these bad people, and I got to get them.

Isn't that always the case with these psychopaths, sociopaths? Not exactly the Rob Zombie take on the character, but it is closer to that. Like Michael is incredibly traumatized, leading him to becoming this a little. I don't acknowledge the zombie movies. Just saying it's out there.

Yeah, I don't. I don't turn a blind eye to art. Sorry. Thank you very much. They happen. 2.5 million to our budget made 25 million. Roger Ebert, two stars. Oh, Raj.

It's a little sad to witness a fall from greatness, and that's what we get on Halloween 2. How many stars would you guys give it? I think it's a two and a half. I mean, in 88, when I saw it now. We give Rod so much shit. How many, you give it stars? How many stars would you give it?

Craig, I don't like your attitude. If I was Roger Ebert's age, and I was like, I got to grind out Halloween 2 and then see three more movies. Like, this is exactly what I would give it. He'd be like, this is not as good as Halloween. If no nostalgia, you're a lot. But I got to think about how I first saw it. I was terrified.

He said, technically a sequel doesn't attempt to do justice to the original, tries to outdo the other violent Halloween ripoffs of the last several years. That's true. And he said, it depends, of course, on our old friend, the idiot plot, which requires that everyone in the movie behave at all times like an idiot. That's necessary because if anyone used to common sense, the problem would be solved and the movie would be over. Raj.

Raj did not like horror movies, though. He didn't like anything without story. Right. Well, because the horror movie is essentially an amusement part where you're paying your money, especially horror movies like this. Now, I think horror movies have learned and they try to get a little bit more sophisticated, but you're paying money for the thrills.

That's what it is. And the story just wraps around that. So for God, it has to, like CR said, analyze the plot of the movie. It's not the point, Raj. The point is put two people in a hot tub, made a vanilla gumbo. and then, like, killed. That's the point.

That's what we came for. Turn the temperature up, take about one at a time, including with the repeated drowning. The point is, is that this movie is not meant to be viewed at 7 p.m. next to, like, a merchant ivory film.

It's supposed to be viewed when you're like, we went out. Six high school kids, go see this. They smoke pot. Yeah, or it's like,

we just watch, or now, when you're like, I just knocked out Halloween one, look at that. Halloween 2 is sitting right there on Peacock. Why don't we just let it roll right into it? My wife and I watch Halloween 2 Saturday night

and just followed it up with weapons. Oh. Yeah. Interesting. It was a horror night. It was great. Your thoughts on weapons? It's fine.

Okay. Yeah. It's fine. Okay. You don't like that. I didn't. I don't like his dismissal. I thought it was like a deranged stranger things.

I liked it. I liked it. I would never want to watch it again. Okay. What were your thoughts? It's fine. You didn't think it was a horror aboutolia? rather than a deranged stranger things?

I thought it was really interesting. I enjoyed watching it. I liked it. I liked weapons. It's fine. Okay. We're all friends. We're all friends.

It's all good. I liked weapons. You love weapons. I saw it way too late in the hype game. So I was expecting Pulp Fiction crossed with Sonson Lambs. And it's like, it's good. Okay. We'll come back with the categories after this.

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Most rewatchable scene. Jesus Christ. It rarely works when you run the ending from the previous movie, but you give it. slightly different. They gave it like a remix. It's like a, it's like when they would remix 80 songs. They pitched up the soundtrack the score and

the first 12 minutes of this movie, you're like, let's fucking go. It really is. I have three different rewatchable scenes. But he goes down, he feels the blood. Then the neighbor comes out and we do this. Is this some kind of joke or something? I've been trick-or-treating death today.

You don't know what death is. And then the music kicks in. That's actually... Loomis is cooking. That is my. Okay, motherfucker! Are we going for this moment? It's so good. I mean, it's really one of the best starts, too. Because the opening credits with the pumpkin is good, too.

And then we go right into that. It's great. I like after the credits, looking through Loomis' eyes, or looking through Myers' eyes, when you see Loomis from far away and he sees his sheriff's like, I shot him six times. I shot him six times!

He's just like kind of lost his mind. They get in the car. and then Myers, we seen him steal the kitchen knife. Great horror gimmick. Yes. This movie has a couple staples, Van. I open the door thinking someone's in there and the doors open behind the guy

and then the door closes and now the horror movie guy is behind the door. That one. I'm making something. I put the knife here. I walk away. I come back. The knife's gone. Another fucking staple.

It's also awesome that the old couple. or home watching Night of Living Dead. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Shout out to George Romero and then she's cutting, what she's cutting in a big hunk of meat. It looked like liverwurst or something.

Something like that. I don't know. So she's actually doing. It's a little late. But she's a little late for that. Like put it on in front of thing. And a big Coke? Yeah.

So were we happier back then? What it was like, who we don't need to think about sleep cycles and whooops scores. Yeah, there's no Apple watch. We just had a fucking ham sandwich. Sandwich at midnight and watch Night of Living Dead. Were we happier?

She's, yeah, they're watching a zombie movie. Eating something disgusting. Let's go back. Let's like fucking... What do we do wrong? 300% of your recommended daily amount of sodium at midnight. Well, that's why the guy was in a coma. He's probably already dead.

He was already fucking had an heart attack. Yeah. She's making him a ham sandwich trying to kill him. And then there's the cute... Robert Kennedy Jr.'s watching this. They're like, God, damn it! This is what's wrong with this country! And then there's the cute neighbor next door against the phone call.

Do you hear what happened? Yes. There's a guy killed stuff. It's weird. I've heard sirens. Yeah. He's still out there in the loose, and she's just fine for 20 seconds, where she realizes the door's open.

Who's just hanging out at home with the door open or 11 at night? But that's the whole point of Haddonfield. I get it. Leave your door unlocked community. This is why they were able to. Like, at some point, shut the fucking door. Well, this is why they were able to be taken. I mean, there are a lot of other towns where there would have been,

and I guess there kind of was at one point, like a lynch mob that would have formed. It does. Yeah. I see. When Loomis is like, that's the tribe. Well, Carpenter filmed this scene because he thought the movie didn't have enough kind of violence in it.

Yeah. So they filmed him, Myers killing the cute neighbor. Just Paddenist. It's a stat pattern. It is. It's like taking a rebound away from the big man. Yeah, yeah.

He's on a foul shot. He has the Westbrook 2017 strategy. And that leads to... Thought you were an ally, Bill. Shot for no reason. You back on the other side. That was a terrible MVP. Talk about worse like that, man.

favorite scene, not only in this movie, but maybe it's in the running for a favorite horror movie scenes ever. Loomis and the sheriff kill, not Michael Myers. They just see this guy from far away. There's little kids everywhere. Technically, they don't kill him. You guys. That is the most hilarious

scene. It's so good. That is the most hilarious scene. Burned, blown up, hit by car, shot the whole thing. By the way, this is some random 17-year-old kid. And there's other kids. The unluckiest kid in the whole of them. Lemis is ready to just have firing shots.

This is such a profound tragedy that the movie does not contend with at all. This would have radicalized the community. The entire community Lewis is out. They would have been in cab graffiti all over this town. This is a random kid that was incinerated,

hit by a car, then shot by the police. Driving 70 miles per hour with no sirens. And it's like a letter on, they play it. It barely gets lip service. Hey, this is the kid. My friend had a mask on or whatever. Yeah. I think it could be like nothing.

It just killed. My friend who's in the hit and run accident. What the hell, bro? There's so many questions. Like, why, why, where was the cop coming from? Why was there a white van there just in the middle of the road? It's the TV. It's the TV production band, isn't it?

Yeah. It hits perfectly. And it puts this ball of fire in the air that I don't even know how much gas was in the, in the van. And they just keep it moving. And Loomis and Brack was like, hey, somebody called and they're like, you did with this and they just leave this fucking burning kid.

Right. It's a fucking bonkers. Craig, what is your take as you watch this? It's the most grotesque way to die. They really put their whole effort into it. Like, it's pretty, he gets hit by the car and like dragged 10 feet into the other car. Jack knifed into a van and incinerated.

And then he set up fire. I ran it back like three times. And he turns And by the way, just nothing for it. And the sad part is, aside from the tragic death of this 17 year old child, is that's exactly the best way you could have tried to

kill Michael Myers. Right, right. Is pin him against a van, incinerate him, shoot him, like do all the stuff. Nobody stays with the car. They just, I don't even know who is left behind. He gets a phone call and they're like, Myers is at the hospital. They're like, let's go.

Also, why is this kid dressed like Michael Myers? Well, in the first, he gets the mask from a gas station. So, like, the mask is just, like, out there, right? It's like a, it's for some reason a staple of the Haddonfield Halloween community. Ironically, it turns out to be Ben Tramer. And in the first movie, Lori's, uh, slutty friend was like, who would you want to go to the dance with? She said, I don't know, Ben Tramer asked me. He's like, Ben Tramer. He's like, Ben Tramer. So the one kid Lori liked ends up getting gruesomely killed to that being mistaken by Michael Myers, the guy who's trying to kill her. Lori, bad luck with Ben.

It's kind of funny how there's only like four families in Haddonfield. Yeah. Because like the sheriff, his daughter, he finds his daughter, his body and stuff like that. Oh, that's my, our next rewatchable scene. Sheriff sees his dead daughter. The media has, well, hold on. Just work with me. Dana Carvey's in this scene.

Yeah, but no speaking lines. But so it's like, why is Dana Carvey here? There's all this media already in Haddonfield. Yes. That's from a different version of the movie. Right. There's a couple of scenes in the movie where you're like, oh, that could have been what they were kind of thinking for season of the witch,

where it's a little bit more like vignetti. Yeah. And then Sheriff Brackett who does the thing he sees it's his daughter's dead. And then he turns on Loomis. Turns on Loomis, yeah. You did this. He did this. He did this. I try to start to start.

He almost goes. Loomis. completely dismisses him. Yeah. Loomis basically is like, like, Loomis is basically like, okay, get to fuck I have up my face. He's still alive.

Let's go. Loomis doesn't even acknowledge this man. This man just saw his daughter. It's a weirdly moving scene in the movie. He like closes her eyes or whatever. I tried to tell people. I tried to. And Loomis just basically,

I don't know, that's it. All right, bye, get the hell out of here. Go home. So my favorite thing about this movie, I was going to this later. I'll just do it now. Loomis is basically just doing bits from his stand-up comedy show

that's not funny to everyone who will listen. If he can get a cop trapped and it'd be like it'd be like if Seinfeld if you were with Seinfeld and you were just hanging out of them and Seinfeld was like,

what's the deal with Peanuts? Loomis is just any opportunity to go, I watched him for 15 years. It's a lack of human consciousness. He's got his five things. He just wants to hit over and over again with any live body. of inhumanly patient waiting.

That this guy is now completely spun out. You know, like over the course of the two films, it's been a day and a night. He's killed a guy who's now back to life. Yeah. You know, like, there's the situation... I shot up six times. Totally out of control.

And he's just like, now I'm spinning out. He keeps trying to, like, convince people he's not crazy. Yeah. Like, I, this thing is not human. I'm telling you guys, even like at the end of the movie where he shoots my... Michael Myers again, and people are getting close to Michael Myers, and he is apoplectic.

He's like, stay away from him. He's not dead. He's, and he, everyone he can make his face to, he makes it. I thought Sheriff Brackett made some good points. He did let him out. Yeah. He was in charge of him 15 years. Did he let him out?

Well, he could have stopped it. Could have told him. I don't know. Hot tub murders. Love it. Love it. I have a ton to say about this. I don't know if you want to.

do it here. So she shows up 15 minutes late for her shift. Because she's been at a Halloween party. Gets chewed out by our boss. I love that scene. As time changes, starts to shift and then the creepy guy from the accused

who turns out to be one of the rapists and the accused seven years later. That guy. Leo Rossi. Yeah. That's my that guy. Yeah, he's to clear that guy at this movie. He's like, hey, let's go. Basically, let's hook up. We'll meet me down when the physical therapy room.

She's like, I don't know. Fine, I'll go down. Next thing we know, she's just doing a full strip T's in the thing. And he's in the hot tub. And it's like, you guys are fucking work. What are you doing? They're on.

My whole thing is, I'm looking at it. I'm like, do she want to fuck or not? Do you guys want to do this now? Should we just fully, I want to go on in this right now. Because it's like, first of all, I'm looking at it in two different ways. Number one, to legitimately have sex in the physical therapy hot tub

of your job, you would have to really, really want it. But she's really hesitant. He, it goes back. Also, like, what's the cleanup situation? There is no cleanup situation. It's so unhygienic. It's not being bodily fluids

in a hot tub that other people are going to use for, like, repairing their ACL surgery. Yeah. Unbelievable. Like, they just got their shit. I'm like, I'm looking at, did he clean it? People got in there that just got their shit unbandaged.

and all kinds of different stuff that's happening in there. But then they want to do it, but then they don't want to do it. She seems drawn to him. But she's not like, let's have a quickie against, like, this, like, bench over here. She's like, we're going to get fully nude at work after you've been smoking a roach in the break room. For some reason, this is a massive hospital that only four people are working at. Because apparently Halloween night is, like, New Year's Eve and Haddonfield. Yeah.

And they get, like, this entire wing to themselves, which is. Basically the maternity ward. Right. So they're nailing each other in a hot tub next to a bunch of newborn babies in a hot tub that apparently has a scalding temperature. Why? Why can you get up to scalding? What therapeutic... It's a great point.

Why would you go to 160 degrees for any reason? Yeah. Like, would you be like, oh, I just dipped it in for a second. Hold on. I'm going to make a turkey in there. Put that to 160. Boles and eggs. Then, like, this guy, if they would have cast that role differently,

and that was like a young tongue. This is no diss to Leo Rossi. Yeah. No, but he's like creepy. He's like a scumbat. He hits on like the other nurse while they're in the break room. He's like a true comeback. This nurse is like, this is my guy.

This is my dude and she can't stop it. And then after they have their little Tris and the Tris goes bad, when Michael Myers comes back around and she, he puts his hand on it and she thinks it's the other guy's hand, she starts nibbling and licking his hand. So that's another nitpick. I feel like you know right away when the serial killer is covered in blood and probably hasn't showered in a long time. It's probably not

the guy. That would be my guess. I want to shout out my wife who, as the girl's face, was repeatedly getting dunked in the scalding water and she started losing stuff, my wife said, in all seriousness, this is like the peel my friend just had, a facial

peel. I won't say who the friend was. Is it your witchy friend? Craig, you love nothing more than an 80s movie. when there's just gratuitous nudie for no reason. Yeah, this was gratuitous. They did it.

I wasn't upset by it. But yeah, this checked all the 80s boxes in this scene. Well, it even checked in the research boxes. The lady who played the nurse was upset. She had to have a nude scene and turn in a whole thing on set. And you could feel her discomfort in the thing, which is, I wish I hadn't read the research. What's the character's name, the guy, the creepy guy? Bud.

My counter to your entire point. If the plan is to have a romantic. romantic night and you can't leave the hospital. It's not the plan. They're at work. Well, look, if that's what you want, and there's a hot tub in a room. But my thing is, you're trying to hit real quick, right? You're trying to, you know it at work.

Yeah, just go into a room. Yeah. You don't need to do the fucking hot tub. It's beds everywhere. Just go that. They made a whole night of it. I respect the ingenuity, you know? You know, by the way,

every time I see an article about the male loneliness epidemic, I think about the fact that Craig doesn't like to see titties in 1980. No, but you know what? No, no, no, no. I think he does. But here's the thing that they do to you. To be fair, he does.

Here's the problem. I honestly don't dislike it. I'm just saying it is extremely 80s, and I can recognize how unnecessary it is for the movie. I don't hate seeing it. In the horror movies, what they do is they make you incredibly horny right before they disgust you. They incite you.

So they'll be like, oh, my God, they're going to do it. We're going to get it. And then it's like, oh, this person just got impaled. Or this person just got dumped in a vat of frying, scalding water. Yeah. Myers always, he always shoots his wad and commits the murder before he gets to watch. Like, it's too, or, like, he should turn it on the hot tub. Maybe he's like Craig and it disgusts him, you know?

Maybe that's what it is. He's making a judgment about it. Maybe he's like tipper gore. Now I'm at the point when I watch... Shutting up America. Now when I watch 90s movies, I'm almost disappointed that there's not nudity because I've seen so many. Like when we watch sneakers, that scene with the mistress.

I'm like, what are we doing here? Couldn't see that. You're going to do it, do it. Getting out in a physical therapy hot time. I do think this is one of the better horror movies murders of the 80s. The repeated, when the face comes up and there's less skin. I just thought it was probably the best murder of this whole thing. It was the iconic murder of this movie.

But we also had a hyperdermic needle double murder. Yep, into the side. That was good. With the alcoholic doctor who is the only doctor. Yeah, what's up with that guy? Meyer's stabbing Lori, but it's a bunch of pillows. And Lori's on the loose. We get a scalpel murder where he lifts that one cute blonde nurse up from the back with the scalpel,

but gets her up in the air. I'm going to say, I don't know how he does that. I don't know if the scalpel's holding on. You think? If the scalpel would have, you need a physics of it. Can you lift something? somebody up 18 feet with a scalpel that's like, I don't know, this long. Yeah, I'm going to say no.

I didn't get that either. I'm going to say like something weird happens. Lori Chase, I like when Lori hides in the car. And then Loomis in the hospital when he brings everybody in there. And he says to the one lady like, you stay with me and shut up. He's like, he's Loomis time. He shoots Myers five more times. So Myers now is 11 bullets.

and the guy goes over to make sure he's dead. He'll get away! Get away! No! Loomis, you guys, Loomis' descent into madness is so awesome. I mean, it hits its peak when they're in the cop car and it's Marion and Loomis and the Marshal.

Yeah. And Loomis is like, I'm taking you hostage, Marshall, and he's like, yeah, you can't do that. He shoots a gun off by his head. He's like... And throughout the window, yeah. It's just like, this guy has completely left earth. Well, if we keep going in that scene,

Myers gets the two. two shots in the eyes. Perfect shooting from Lori. Yeah. I really enjoy blind Myers trying to just stab people. Yeah. And then Lumis is like, how many patients in this

hospital? Like 12? How many babies? We know it's a full maternity ward. Yeah, how many babies? Six. I'm going to blow up the hospital anyway. Myers has to go. I'll take out these other 25 people. This just has to happen.

No thought whatsoever. Yeah. What's your most rewatchable? Oh, the ending, yeah. What do you have for most rewatchable? C.R. For me, it's Ben, it's just that whole thing. It's the funniest thing.

It just kills me. It's got to be Ben, man. It's so absurd. What about telling his parents, hey, bad news, your son's dead. Also, what happened? Well, these guys hit him and then they left, but they were cops. It's every five years I forget that scene. And so I'll watch it and I'll be like,

Wait, what? I was waiting. I didn't know if Craig had seen it or not. I was waiting for the text into the group chat from Craig. For being like, holy shit. Do you think when they were editing the movie at any point, the director and the editor were like,

yeah, was this weird that this kid just dies out of nowhere? They went, this is bad ass. You could tell how much they admired the scene when they made it. Yeah. Oh, they were fucking high-firing on the set. They were like, We got them. It's a real set piece, yeah.

What's the most 1981 thing about this movie other than a kid walking downtown with a boombox at 11 o'clock at night? I had to pass a Dotson truck. Yeah.

That's got to be the winner. When did nurses stop dressing like that? I have it. The little hats that nurses wear. Yeah. That hats. Little hats. Should come back?

Well, I just am curious when it stopped. Probably late 90s. I don't know. Somewhere in there. You think in like 96, they're still walking around. You just have nice things. We used to have flight attendants that dress like that.

We used to have nurses. You don't know when they stop wearing ass. He wanted an answer. I just felt like he needed an answer. Look at the answers. You said it so authoritatively, though. Late 90s. Yeah.

It's a Clinton thing. Yeah. Clint. These ladies, they work hard. They should have to wear kids. They should have to wear a hat. And they stopped wearing hats. Hats are gone.

A couple more. Turning on a transistor radio to get the news. Oh, yeah, yeah. Walkie talkies. Walkie talkies. And then the other one that I think is in the running here,

a little kid getting hurt with the Apple Razorblade Halloween thing. Yes. Which is the all-time urban legend. I don't know if it ever actually happened. That was supposed to be a season of the witch thing. Yeah, the fear of that in the late 70s, early 80s was a real thing.

But that is actually, like, one of my favorite parts of this movie is the fact that, intentionally or not, there will be moments where you're like, oh, is this newscaster, the blonde newscaster, or is this mom and kid, are they going to be like major parts of the movie and then they just never come back?

You know what I wonder? Because there was something that existed. Halloween, which we haven't really talked about at least a couple of parts I've done about these movies with you guys. Halloween is completely taken on like a new sort of, it's a very durable holiday. Yeah. Because it's shifted, its focus, almost,

completely towards adults and, you know, dressing up like Velma with no underwear on and all of that stuff, it's like totally changed, right? And one reason... What? What? Y'all never seen... Velma with no underwear on.

Y'all got different algorithms. Y'all never see these sexy Velma videos and the girl... Oh, it's Halloween, she's Velma. And then all of a sudden she turns around and she starts dancing and you go, oh, this is a different type of advertising. What's that link tree saying?

That hasn't gotten... I'm doing something. Okay. Yeah. So, I got it. I'm doing something wrong. Um,

but like, but part of the reason why Halloween became for adults was because it became, like, unsafe that so many of these urban legends came out about the candy at Halloween, the razor blades, guys going out and trying to get kids and all of that.

And I do really feel like this movie and Michael Myers going on a, killing spree on Halloween, it was part of kind of you could get fucked up a little bit. Did you have in your neighborhood the alleged house where somebody got fucked with with Halloween candy? There was one, I think, that had like a Rottweiler. So there was like a lot of fear about the like the dog. And then there were a couple of like, that's old man, Blank Blank's house.

And he, you know, don't knock there. Not, I mean, I have no idea. We had one when I was a little on Brookline. The thing allegedly happened. and I just assumed it happened, but now I wonder if it happened. What thing? Where we heard that. A kid ate the razor blade and it was this house and this house did it.

And now I have no idea if it actually happened. Oh, I thought it was something different. I thought they accused that neighbor of giving candy to black kids. The whole neighborhood was like, oh, my God, dude. That guy's crazy. Don't go by his house. I knew it was going to be a good one.

Oh, man. What stage the best? Do you like the dopey Halloween 2 electronic score? Not as much as the first. Not as good as the first one, but I admire the effort. And the score in three is sick.

The score in three is good. Rocky 2, the beginning of Rocky 2. Yeah. We're talking way too much about Rocky 2. We just have to do it. What's age the best? being in a creepy small hospital at night after seeing this movie,

I don't know if you guys have been in a hospital, we're like, oh, it's like fucking Halloween too, and it just feels like there's not enough people in the hospital, and it's kind of shocking. Oh, it's totally terrified. It's a fantastic place to set a horror movie. It's both the most unrealistic thing about this movie,

but it's also kind of realistic, because I do think this happens. Yeah. Hospitals are creepy, and if you've been at one, if you've been visiting, and I hope everybody's family and friends are healthy, and all of that. But if you've been visiting somebody and you're in a hospital

at a certain time. They clear out. They clear out. There's nobody there. A lot of times, you know, they're letting you stay there because there's somebody that you love, and you look, and it's eerie. It's an eerie. It's an eerie. It got into this, too.

Cobra? Cobra was slashed alone. When he goes to say Brigitte Nielsen, there's a whole creepy hospital thing. What's age the best? Well, what do you have? I have a couple. The fact that this movie saves the setup for 30 minutes in. So like the setup is just Halloween 1

keeps going. This then like traditional horror movie setup really doesn't start until the paramedics and a nurse are hanging out at the hospital and it's real quiet and the sex scene and all that. So I love the way they flip that. I mentioned making someone incredibly horny before you discuss them with something repulsively violent,

that age the best. And then a lot of the things that are like messy or wrong, about this movie, like the newscaster or the kid with the bloody lip, kind of give it color and life a little bit to me. So that's, yeah. So Halloween itself, just like I said, it's like more, it's past Thanksgiving. It's the second holiday of this season now. But also, the variety of kills.

The variety of kills. Hammer, scalpel. Yeah, scalpel. Yeah. Scalding water. This movie is part of the technology of, The guy can't just kill you with an axe every single time, kill you with a knife every single time.

He's got to do, we have to have different set pieces that are based around how the serial killer kills you to up the thrills. This movie, like, does that really well. How do you feel about not seeing all the murders? Like, we don't get to see the black nurse get killed. We don't get to see drunk doctor get killed. Black nurse, like, that would have just been too torturous to watch

because she's getting her blood drink from her body. I thought about that. I'll talk about that a little bit more later. Okay, can't wait. Pleasance hosted SNL on Halloween 1981 to promote Halloween too. No, he didn't. During the first breakout Eddie Murphy season

and it was the same episode that John Belushi insisted they had this punk band called Fear and Fear had complete chaos and it became this legendary SNL moment and that was all because of Donald Pleasants who in the oral history book they were basically like he was his drunk eye

who couldn't remember his lines. That was the Donald Pleasant Scouting Report. So kudos to him. I like the, I'm telling you, this isn't a man. He just, that's like his, that's his West Coast offense. Yes. Anytime he can shift it to trying to convince somebody, we're not talking about a human being here.

Loomis will do that. There's nothing behind those eyes. Yeah. Myers following the signs to Haddonfield Hospital is so fucking funny. When he walks past, he gives it the boom box. He hears the news report. And there's just this giant sign that says, Haddonfield Hospital this way.

and Myers is like doing the Myers walk. And then Myers cuts all the phone lines, kills the main lights, slashes every tire in the parking lot, kills the security guard. Cuts fuel lines out there. The NTS,

cuts fuel lines, kills the ER doctor, four nurses in like 45 minutes. It's like really efficient. It decimates the medical industry there. Like just like, just purposeful, goes through those what to do.

Takes out the communication. The transportation, decapitates the intelligentsia of the hospital by taking out the doctor so they couldn't rally around. He's the original hacker. Right. Any other words, age the best?

No, never the future. I had, Mike in the Maternity Ward is actually, like, one of the creepiest images. Yeah. In the entire series.

Where were, I asked, my wife and I were talking about that. Where were the parents when these kids were just to see for the maternity ward? Like, out of how old party, probably. Yeah, it was just kind of the way of waiting to use the hot tub.

Yeah, right. We're going to get there right after you guys. Big Kahuna Burger where best use of food or drink, probably the apple razor blade. Yeah. I had the sandwich getting made, but yeah.

Oh, the sandwich is good. Yeah, that's good. Would you have for Great Shot Gordo? Myers appearing behind Nurse Jill when she finds Dr. Mixter with the needle in his eye. Oh, yeah. And she's like, doctor, doctor, and then Myers just steps into the late.

Yeah, it's awesome. Always works. Kid Cuddy, Pursuit of Happiness, where Best Needle Drop, Mr. Sandman. I think is the answer there. Best character name. Bud Scarlatti. Bud Scarlatti.

Okay. Sierra, you got a flex category. I've got a couple of things here. I mentioned OK Motherfucker Award for when the movie goes up a notch for you don't know what death is. It's really good. The Steven Seagal Hard to Kill Award

did this movie need a bit better intimacy coordinator. It does sound like Pamela Schufe did not enjoy her experience. She's not a big fan. She was told that there were going to be a close set and there was like 19 dudes standing around watching her. And at one point, she was being encouraged to do full frontal

and Debra Hill had to step in and be like, you do not have to do that. Early 80s were rough. Rough times. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. I got this. Can I do this real quick? I think we're all going to have one.

This is also my Luke Wilson. Okay. I just think Lori's a zero in this movie. It's clearly Lori. And we talked about this. bit when we did four. But I just think it's not only is it the over-mythologize on Michael and

Lori's relationship, which I don't like, but just incapacitating Jamie Lee Curtis for the entire movie and having her essentially in a fugue state. A terrible choice. It's kind of like user or don't have her. Use her or have her taken to a different hospital. Myers has more personality than Lori in this movie

movie, and he can't speak. Totally Fridger in the entire movie. And then this is why Halloween to One Town over you're absolutely right about that because if you're not going to like give her anything to do why have her in the movie

as a living breathing sort of the move is they should have killed her 40 minutes in well that would have been fucking insane and then he should have moved on and tried to get more people but it's like if they had like taken her like oh we can't use

Haddonville Memorial we need a better hospital and they have to take her to like Joliet or the fuck they'd take her I have no idea but if he's rampaging around Haddon's feel looking for her, but she's not there. And then maybe at the end of the movie, she comes back and does something. I don't know.

But, yeah, like, I just think having her... She's in, like, the last two scenes? Having a bad reaction to the parallel... It would be like if you paid $60 million for A.J. Brown and DeVantza Smith, and then never threw the bottom of them. You know? Honestly, it would be like that. They're winning.

That is true. Do you have a weak link? Same one? Yeah, yeah. It's clear... I have a different week link because I'm so used to how bad they use. they use Lori in this movie. Dick Warlock

plays Myers in this movie, which I can't believe that's a real, too short. He's too shift, too stiff, he's too robotic. The mask doesn't really fit his head. At some points, the mask because they're using the mask from the first movie. And

he plays Myers, like Myers has CTE from falling off the balcony. He's just kind of like, like he's like a zombie. He hasn't been shot many times. Shot many. And maybe that was his thinking, but I just, I like the Myers and one is just so much more athletic and interesting.

Do you think Dick Warlock was going up to Rosenthal and being like, I have a new take on this character? I think he was. I really do. I think he's like, I think this guy, so I dove into the Halloween community and was reading, I had no idea there's a Halloween movies Reddit and people argue about the movies and stuff.

Did you get involved? I didn't. I did think about it for a second. I had some Halloween takes. I wanted to get off. Bill be a Reddit power user, but only for Halloween. Just for Halloween movies, that's it. What was interesting, there's a whole Dick Warlock contingent. Oh, like, Dick on Mike Myers.

Myers should have been more of a zombie. This is, he had been shot this time. His body was still in shock. Like, people are really putting to this. Dick had a real. He had an angle. A angle of looking at the character. You think you ever considered Richard Warlock?

Dick Warlock is. Dick Warlock. He was like, we don't have Dix anymore. Early 80s. Yeah, early 80s, we still had Dix. Is an all-time name.

What's age the worst? Jamie Lee's wig is number one for me. So she had to film another movie and had shorter hair for it. I think it might even been trading places. And you could just see the wig, especially now that the screens are nicer. What do you have, CR?

I think, aside from all the stuff about the nurse and the paramedic having sex in the PT hot tub, the facial, the acting, the directing, and the facial expression of the marshal when Marion Chambers shows up and Donald Pleasant, his character does not, Loomis does not recognize his assistant.

He's like, oh, I didn't recognize you. It's like, that was two days ago that you probably saw her. It was the day before. But when she's just like, Dr. Loomis, we've unsealed, the governor has unsealed a file. It turns out Lori Strode is Michael Myers his sister

and the cop driving the car is just like straight staring through the windshield thinking about the Cubs. He has not picked up a single fucking piece of information. He's like Ron Say. You know, he's just like naming guys.

Oh my God, that's hilarious. And whenever I watch horror movies and this one has a lot of it, I'm always taken by the advances in fake blood that have happened over the course of the last 30 or 40. You could see with the Annie when they show Sheriff Brackett's daughter, like the slit throat, just like super fake.

Super fake. Yeah. That's a good one. I don't like Myers breaking into the school at all just to write Sam Hane and stick a knife through the daughter and the family painting. I don't know why, how he fit that into his busy agenda after being shot six times. Just had some questions. The Myers mask.

So it's interesting. it is the same mask as the first movie, which I didn't realize. I always thought they lost the mask, but I think they lost it after this movie. And it said the paint was faded because Debra Hill kept the mask under her bed for two years

and it collected dust and turned yellow because she was a heavy smoker. I love this. She's having a year kind of lady. It's a nicotine-stained Michael Myers mask. Yeah. And then because Warlock's head was different, so the mask fit differently.

How many sigs do you have to rip? For a mask to actually change color. I mean, people really were chain smoking back then still. Yeah. You have any what's age the worst, Craig? Hot tub facials. Do you think she died by drowning or by burning? Or did he try to time it so it was burning at the same time?

I think it was the burns. I think it was the burns. Good question, Craig. I have a great one, but I think it's more of a nitpick, so I'm going to save it. the roughlohanorubic Perchage overacting word. The old ER doctor, do you think he played the character

intentionally that way? Also, I'm just going to be a drunk guy. Yeah, why is he... Like, why was he getting drunk at his country club? But was he on shift? It's inexplicable. Right.

Was it supposed to be funny? He's like, oh, that's lawyer. It's like, what's going on? And why is this guy in the ER doctor? He's like 60 years old? I guess the idea is that the town only has one doctor, but like it's a pretty big

hospital for one doctor's. Did you have a flex category? I do. Did this movie need a random sports scene? Oh, Ed Norton. Yeah, Ed Norton. We desperately could have had a football scene here. Oh, like, homecoming was happening or something? Homecoming football is happening earlier, or at least

it's Halloween night. It's the same thing. Maybe not a football game, but maybe the teams together. Maybe the teams together is Halloween night. We fucking got to play Cheneyville. We've played them. We fucking killed him. Yeah, and Michael just goes in and rips them the pieces. Like quarterback, the cheerleaders, he would have liked that. Fucking offensive linemen try to step up.

That's my fucking quarterback. Get the fuck out of here, Brian. Mike could have even suit it up as tight end or something. Yeah, and got out there and caught a couple passes. This is getting really exciting, guys. He's Tyler Warren out there, basically. He's doing this. They could be terrible because he goes too slow.

But, I mean, but they throw him a screen passy, but. But you could not bring them down. No, that's true. He's going to mummy his way all the way to the, So much stuff could have. That's really good. C.R. thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to stake a word.

So you did yours. Laurie Strode, yeah. Did you have one? Yes. I believe that Michael Myers was radicalized by the O.J. Trowp. That hadn't happened yet. Had happened yet. This is just overall, not in this movie.

So I looked this up. As I saw this movie, I realized that in the movies that I've watched, Michael Myers didn't kill any black people like on screen. A black lady dies in this, but we see her after. Yeah. It's like Michael Myers,

maybe he killed her, maybe he didn't. We don't even know. Oh, yeah, somebody else could have killed her. Michael Myers did not kill a black person on screen until 2002's Halloween, was it resurrection?

Yeah, that's the one where it's set in the reality show. Right. I'm thinking to myself, so Michael Myers, this entire time, you could make an argument. He's been an ally.

Yeah, right? What would have happened and Michael in the 90s for Michael Myers to go, you know what? Nah, fuck that. I gotta get my revenge. Oh, so you think...

The OJ trial. Yeah. I think Michael Myers was in the... He's in the institution. They got court TV. It's playing nonstop. He's watching Leno every night. He's watching Leto.

The dancing Etoes. It's all getting in the Myers head. And Myers is seeing what he thinks is this crazy injustice. And he goes, fuck it. I got to get my get back. And then, by the time 2000, that movie, he killed Tyra Banks in that movie.

Do you think that years later, Mike gets re-radicalized by seeing one battle after another? And he's like, perfidia got a wrong deal in this movie? Exactly, right? I think he's really affected by what happens in pop culture. I think it really gets inside of his head. So when I'm watching this, because I did a whole breakdown, I don't know if you can see this, but Michael Myers then goes crazy with giving love killing. to the community.

It starts putting up numbers after this. He's like De Niro. Yeah. Be careful. That's one of our guys. I know. He gave a lot of love to the community. He loves the community.

He loves the community. He loves the community. He really does. The community. Robert De Niro is a lover of the community. But in the Rob Zombie films, you got three. The Blumhouse shirt, three.

So all of this is coming. It doesn't really start until 2002. I was thinking it had to be the OJ trial. Had to be. Even the nurse in this movie. Nurse Elvis. We don't see it. That's what I'm saying. We don't see. She's there. But we don't see it. That could have happened. The dude that we thought was Michael Myers that got incinerated, he could have killed her. Yeah. We can't put that one on Mike. That's my point. My hat is take. I think the general consensus is the home alone parents or the worst movie

parents of all time. Right? Yeah. Just not only do they lose the kid once, they lose them again in the home alone too. I actually think it's Laurie Strode's parents. Like, let's really think about this. Lori's babysitting. The parents are at some sort of Halloween party.

Like a key party or something. Yeah, they're basically, we've covered this in a Halloween one. They must have been at an eyes wide shut party. But at some point, at some point, this becomes the story in Haddonfield, right? I know we'd have the internet back. then. But the serial murder, multiple people were killed,

including the sheriff's daughter, and their daughter was stabbed, got away, and is now at the hospital. This fucking girls at the hospital all night. The parents are never there. Even in the morning at the end of the movie,

and the ambulance is taking her away, still no parents. Where were her fucking parents? You can make the argument that that is, that is played, plays into the idea that Michael's her, that it's not her,

their biological daughter. And they're like, oh, see, like, now she's a true mire. she's not our daughter. You think they like disowned her? Basically.

You might try to kill her? Yeah. Well, where were they? At some point they have to come back. They get loosely written out of this movie, yeah. I think all the parenting in this movie is terrible, Van. I agree. Sheriff Brackett, Halloween 1, Loomis is like, this guy's a fucking serial killer.

We got to get this guy. He's not human. And he's like, yeah, well, my daughter's doing some babysitting tonight. I'm not going to give her heads up to get out of it. None of the parents care about the kids, but I think this was what the 70s were like. Yeah. Yeah. taking advantage of the fact that the kids were kind of just

let loose. Kids just kind of did their own thing. It's like, black key. Yeah, parents were like, just don't get hit by a car. It was basically the attitude. But I don't know what happened to Lori's parents. We just never saw them. At no point did they go to the hospital and check out, check her out. I think it's actually introducing them.

You either have to kill them or they would be arguing the entire premise of the movie. Yeah. Or they were into some fucking kinky shit in that. Yeah. Like this is like an all-night ice storm kind of session. The Lorry's dad on his 8th popper. Yeah, they're ice storming it up. The key party.

I love that movie. So they're like five quailudes in. Yeah. They just, they can't even. It's like Plato's retreat. Yeah. It's like Leo and Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah, yeah.

It's all whatever. They don't even realize they have a dog. Who's Lori? Who's that? I have a special category just for CR. Oh. The E.D. Falco and Copeland Award for the character that got three times hotter by smoking.

Loomis's assistant, the rabbit and red nurse from Halloween. She breaks out the SIG, gets the thing from Loomis, and just starts smoking a dart. She looked pretty good. She didn't. A little milphy. What's your name? Marion Chambers? Marion Chambers. She's in the first one. I thought you said Marilyn Chambers. No, I didn't.

I was about to say, I would have recognized her. She's in the first one. She's in the car driving to go to the sanitarium. She sees that, like, yeah, he tries to... He's like, don't you think you could refer to it as him? And he's like, if you say so. And they just have, like, the weirdest exchange. Bill's really good at Loomis. Bill is a little bit of...

Bill is... You're Lois. It is funny that she's like... Why did the governor unseal a file? But, like, there's no cops on, like, on the streets. You know why I'm good at Loomis? Because I've watched him for 48 years. Staring at the screen.

Staring through the screen. You look into Chris's eyes. There's nothing there. I like when he goes, this is their wake! One of the tribe has been taken. I talked about my buddy from high school, Jeff Gallo. One of the first things we bonded over was how fucking funny Dr. Loomis was. Like literally, I think it was the number one thing.

We just couldn't get enough of the comedy of him. Speaking of comedy, the Van Lathen Award for Did This Movie Need More Black People? We rarely get to give this out. Now, the case, you could say yes because there's only one black character. You could say no because we are. Haddonfield and it seems like white people land. So what's the answer? So it's not. But I did, it's no.

There doesn't need more black people. But I appreciated something about this movie. I wrote this down in this category. Movies woke. It's a very woke movie. Okay. There's a scene in this movie where a black nurse lectures.

A white woman, yeah. A white woman, yeah. On the virtue of being on time. And professionalism. And professionalism. Yeah. I saw that. I was like, I see what y'all doing. Yeah.

Black nurse, consummate professional, whatever. She got killed. I don't think it was Michael Myers. I think it was somebody else. What's up with this? Why don't you think it was Michael Myers? Because Michael is, he's too intentional. I just don't think it was Michael Myers.

He was framed. I think he was framed. I think he was framed. I think he was killing after the OJ trial. But they did that on purpose to put a message in the movie. Look, we care about our jobs. Appreciate it. Casting one-ifs, couldn't find any.

Best that guy were Leo Rossi. I got a different one. Jeffrey Kramer, who's the mortician in this movie, is also Roy Shider's deputy in Jaws. And Jaws too. Yeah. That's good. It's good.

It's a deputy Hendricks in those. Another category we don't get to give out off. And best IMDB stat padding. Dana Carvey, just getting to be in the credits. It just feels like a bigger movie. Had you ever seen Nurse Karen played by Pamela Susan Schoop? She was on the Fall Guy Mod Squad, B.J. and the Bear? No?

Simon and Simon? Was there a Charlie's angel? in there or no wonder woman the incredible Hulk and burrish she definitely bounced around in those roles there was a lot of there were the handsome guys who might become evil that were always on charlie's angels or love boat yeah then a lot of pamela shoups just bouncing around those different TV shows was Dana Carvey in this enough to do what they started doing in the mid to late 90s was he good enough to do uh a VHS cover re-editing no so they think they could put day yeah like put Dan Carvey blows up.

Hank's that time. Dana Carvey blows up and then it's like Halloween 2 and they got the cast on there. I think he said before on pods where he's like, I brought like all my friends to the theater to see this.

Yeah. He claimed my own lines. I don't know if I believe that. Dionne Waiter's Award. I think that has to go to Ben Tramer for one of the funniest 45-second kid and was a lot of that. Legitimately a heat check.

Recasting couch director of City. Tom Hanks says Jimmy. The Lance guest part? Yeah. Yeah. He had the hair. Kind of looked like Tom Hanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Heather Thomas as the blonde nurse. She's get her in this. Love her. No? Catherine Bach as the Pamela Shoup character. You're hitting up some names I'm not. Who's Heather Thomas? Heather Thomas from the Fall guy.

Okay. You know her. Come on. Okay. Bair nose. You know her. Sorry. Well, there's a, whatever I'm not even talking about.

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Yeah, it's just one final unintentional comedy moment in this movie, like basically the last scene, one kind of last lack of attention detail. I just love when the paramedic is bringing Lori out towards the ambulance, and she's had an ankle injury the whole day. Yeah. She basically has a camp scataboo. She can't walk. Yeah.

And he just gets her out of her wheelchair and has to put her into the back of the ambulance, and there's no, like, stretch her up, and he just goes, big step, and she's kind of like, take a shot. Doesn't she also say, I want to ride up front? And he's like, no, I can't do it. He makes her get him out of the wheelchair. He goes, big step now. She's going to put all the weight on it.

It's so good. There's apparently an alternate ending when she's in the ambulance with Jimmy that they cut. Oh, okay. Yeah. You don't know if Jimmy died or not. What was Jimmy's injury? Pork and ribs collapsed long? No, he fell in and he got to go back.

So concussion or something. Concussion, like fracture of the skull. Yeah, he had to go in the blue tent. That's a low-key ruffer. Rubenek moment is his like, I'm injured acting. Yeah. It looks like he's dead.

Yeah. High Fis Center Research. They thought about originally setting the sequel a few years later in having Myers tracking Lori to her new home and in a high-rise apartment building.

And I got to say I'm all in. If she was 1981, L.A., Lori didn't go to college. It's a night stalker time. She's like an assistant at like Paramount Movie Studio or something. living in a high-rise. I'm definitely in on it.

Wasn't there a serial killer movie of some sort that did something like this a little bit later where he tracks her down or he tracks... It was basically Maxine, isn't it? Yeah. Tracks her down in where she's living. Yeah, but that works, though. Once again, it puts...

Ten to Midnight had a little of that, the Bronson one. I think that would have been really cool. The plot twist of the Lori Bean, Michael's sister, Carpenter said there wasn't much of a story left and we had to come up with something

was basically his theory. The Morningside Hospitals where they filmed all the hospital stuff, it's on 8711 South Harvard and it's been torn down and is now a senior living facility. So congratulations to all of them. Pamela

Schiff. Can you imagine a bunch of old people sitting around the speaker listening to rewatchables like what? This is amazing. Congratulations to all of them. The sports guy.

Pamela Shoup. It's called Harvard Yards Senior Apartments. Okay. Yeah, shout out to the staff. Pamela Shoup said the hot tub. Don't get your bloodstream drained. Pamela Shoup said the hot tub scene

gave her an ear infection. See? The water was cold and dirty. They were playing it off like the water was boiling, but it was absolutely freezing. Leo and I were so cold, our teeth were chattering. Why couldn't they heat it up a little bit? Yeah. It's very strange.

Carpenter said he had no influence over the direction. Saw cut said it was, quote, as scary as Quincy, we had to do some post-production work and added a couple scenes to try to make a more horror movie. I would not describe

this movie as really scary. First Halloween's really scary. This movie's more of like a comedy obviously In retrospect but it's a hang Yeah It was it scared me when I was a kid But I watch it now

And it's just it's like just for fun It's just enjoyable Yeah TV cut the ending is Jimmy alive He's got a bandage head wound He's in the ambulance of Lori They hold hands Lori says we made it

I think that's on the 4K In Carpenter Some of the scenes he reshot Was the boom box boy Because he thought the biggest flaw In the cut he saw was Howard Myers know to go to the hospital. Right.

So he's like, if I put Boombox boy in there, Ben Myers will know to go to the hospital. Dick Warlock, two roles in this. Not only as he play the shape, he plays the policeman who accidentally hits Ben Tramer with the patrol car and crashes it. Damn.

So he's really on fire. Drove the car himself. Wow. It's like Gosling and Drive. Yeah. And then there's Pamela Susan Schup gave a long. long interview to Fem Fatal magazine

in 2001 about all the nudity stuff with this. And now Debra Hill saved the day. So there you go. Apex Mountain Myers? No. No. No. Jamie Lee no. Pleasance, no. Really, nothing for anybody here

unless you want to say horror. It would just be mistaken identity car accidents. Is it Slasher era? No. No, no, no. Is it the apex mountain of no, because that would be Rocky 2, of sequels that take place directly after the original? I think that's Rocky, too. That's Rocky, too.

How about Slashar era, though? Because Slasharer is 79 to 83, basically. Is this the best movie from that era? Is Friday 13th 2 in that era? Yeah. I think that's better than Halloween, too. I think Silent Rage is the best one of this era. Yeah.

Nobody will do that with me. I'll do it with you, but you just... I know, nobody cares. Crew... How about hospital horror movies? I watched... Never mind. Hospital horror movies.

Yeah. Exorcist 3 is my favorite hospital horror movie. It is... Exorcist 3, another good one. Fucking terrifying. Exorcist 3? Yes. Yeah.

It is, to me, top five, top three, most frightened I've ever been. Terrifying movie. It's pretty slow on a rewatch, and then it heats up when we get into the hospital. Cruiser, Hanks. You said Hanks for the paramedic, right?

Yeah. I was trying to... tried to test drive Cruz in my head for a second, I think I don't see it. Scorsese or Spielberg. I don't really know because this is like Rosenthal doing Carpenter,

so it's so weird to be like, which are those two? Almost like we can't count that one. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? How about the Leo Rossi part? Yeah, that would have been pretty creepy. Morning guy in the hot tub. As Freddy from Talit to Mr. Ripley.

Hey, baby. It's a big game. at the time. Eyes to peeping. Picking Nets. There's some time stuff with this. So when, Halloween 1, what time is it when all the murders are going down? Late afternoon, right?

It starts in, school's still in. They drive to the houses. Wait, when does Halloween start or when does Halloween? Halloween 1, when they drive to the houses, it's like 7 o'clock. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And then we also have the boyfriend comes over.

They have sex. There's murders. like that it's probably like four hours. It feels like it's already like a... I mean, call it... 10.30? I think let's call it like 7 to 10. Okay.

So let's say 10. Let's go generous, say 10. Murders happen. Police shows up now where it's 10.30, probably 11 range. Why is downtown Haddonfield still so happen? Well, it's Halloween night. It's Halloween night.

It's 11 o'clock. We already established the Halloween 1. Nobody's still awake when she's yelling and running around the street. The kids are up. Yeah, those are all young people walking around downtown. They're all going to Halloween parties.

Assistant living facility. It's the chill. I'm saying downtown's pretty hot and an 11 o'clock. Karen's shift, I bet, is midnight to 8. Yeah. And Karen's like, I'm going to be late for my shift. So how long are we at the hospital? Basically all night?

What are you talking about? Yeah, because in the morning, it's dawn when they leave the hospital. Dawn when they leave that. So that's over the course of six hours? Yeah. And she actually does say, Karen's like, it takes me five minutes to drive you home,

five minutes to drive back to the hospital. So everything in Hadfield's five minutes away. Right. Once again, the people you see out there are still the whippersnappers out there who, if you've been around Halloween, they're going to be out all night. Does Myers have to eat or go to the bathroom at any point during this stretch? Does Myers go to the bathroom? Obsession is his food.

He pisses out fear. Does he just go the bathroom in his gas station outfit? Or does he go to bathroom like an animal? You think he's just constantly shitting and pissing himself? He could be. I think he's probably pissing. Did he eat any food? He's the shape.

Yeah, he's like not a human thing. He's not human. In Halloween 1 he eats that they find the dead dog and he's like, man, wouldn't do that. And he's like, he got hungry. Loomis says that. It's like insinuating he ate the dog. I thought he probably has.

He was hungry to kill. Oh. So then, wait a minute. So then if he ate the dog, then at some point he'd have to take a crap. Yeah, but it's still saying that. Maybe he doesn't eat. Yeah.

Still saying that. maybe he doesn't. No cops at the hospital guarding Lori. Do you think it would have been funny if Michael had been like, I'm taking the butcher knife and then I'm taking the sandwich? I need some energy.

I'm hungry. Lips the mask up. No cops at the hospital guarding Lori, not anybody. She's going to drop her off. They're all out on the street. They're still out there? Yeah.

Okay. Here's a good nitpick. They're checking out the burn body. This is probably within an hour of the accident. There's not stuff. smoke coming off that body and doesn't the body stink? It's like a burning corpse.

We see normal movies they put like the thing underneath the noses, right? They put the like the smell so bad thing. It's silts of the lambs they do that. They're just hanging out with this dead burn body. Checking his teeth. You're not, you guys aren't with me on this? My goodness. Would that stink?

They're talking about the ages. They're no fillings. It's like this thing. You'd be like ah, Jesus. the hot nurse in a million years That's a 17 year old kid I know I'm sorry I apologize The hot nurse in a million years

Is not with that guy No No She's with a guy who like Who do you think she's with in that town Nurse Karen Probably the drunk doctor Probably took a couple around

What about the good looking cop guy Oh yeah Yeah Yeah Strong jaw guy Maybe there's a guy who works To like a used bookstore And she's just like

I really like him But he needs to put his career together One thing I will say about these It's like Noah Bombach's Halloween It was a slow burn But that was good One thing I will say about these Slash of movies is the assholes get late

Yeah And all of these slashing movies It's like Shut up Rick And then two scenes later, you fucking Rick Yeah Like in this Kevin Bacon in Friday the 13th

Yeah Yeah That guy the sleazy guy, he basically said to Lance guest character Jimmy, like don't get involved with Lori. There's one rule you can't get involved with the patients.

Yes. And then proceeds to go down to the hot tub room and have a fucking nurse. That rule is fine. That guy's an idiot. He says nurses, that's one thing. And then the hospital is obviously too dead for the night shift, but Rosenthal said he based it on an experience that he had with his

wife when the hospital they were at was so deserted at night. they thought it was creepy and he just kind of filed that away. That's not what they do. The other murder nitpick I had other than lifting somebody in the back with a scalpel up in the air, which I'm still not buying. Wouldn't Myers have burned his hands in the scalding hot hot tub? What's going on here?

It's ripping her face off. But you're, you're, can Myers not get burned? You can, he got shot six times. I'm just saying, you continue to like. Skin can, but his hands are going to be fine after that? you're really focused on like what things smell like and feel like. And it's like we're talking about Michael Myers. He was shot.

How many times he was shot over the- He was shot like 15 times. 15 or 20 times. And he was shot in the head. He's a human. In the head, close range. Okay, fine. He can bleed, though.

He can bleed. So he can't get burned, but he can bleed. I don't think that my question is, I don't think that the burning. His skin. That the burning is going to affect him. I don't think Michael Myers is going to go, ooh. Like, he's like out. Ow!

That would be funny if that was just my blood. Why are you having it so hot? Yeah. Like, you know. She shoots, Loomis gives Lori a cult trooper MK3. And Lori shoots Michael twice in the eyes from close range with it. And apparently in reality, if you shot somebody from that close with that gun, their head would just blow out from the back. Yeah.

This was like a BB gun. You're fucking done. Yeah. It's over. Any other nitpicks? Nothing that we haven't talked about already. sequel prequel prestige tb all black cast are untouchable sequel i mean yeah they've literally done everything what's the all black cast version of hollowne resurrection it's not all black is it well mostly black

yeah i guess well they haven't done them all that movie's bad yeah is this movie better with wayne jenkins dany treo mad dog russo doris burke buffalo bill sam jackson nell byron mayo tony romew chris connor at daniel plainview long legs or wilfer brimley in the firm this movie could you, Sam, honestly. Sam as either the guy driving the car when Loomis is like, we have to turn around, he would have been good.

Sam, why are you smiling? I'm wearing to hear. Let's hear it. Sam. Sam, who was the guy who checked out the Fats sheriff guy? Who checks out the basement? The security guard. Mr. Garrett. I was thinking Collinsworth for this, though.

Okay. Oh, my. I'm so excited. Lori and Michael are reunited. This is just like everything. You could have seen it come with a baby siblings. You knew they would get back together tonight, Mike. It's just so great.

They have such a great thing. I had, uh, I'm surprised you left this on the table. I had Byron Mayo. Oh, let's hear. Byron Mayo is bud. It's like, Karen, come on in. The water's warm. Don't worry.

It doesn't get scalding in this physical therapy. It's a burn off fluids that come out of us. You don't think Sam kind of worse as Loomis too? Sam would have been an amazing Loomis. Holy shit.

Yeah. That motherfucker ain't human. I watched it for 15 fucking years. Just one Oscar who gets it the score?

I don't know. I don't know. I have a score worthy stuff. Score question mark but like what Yeah. Tough one.

All right. Probably in answerable questions. Did Sheriff Brackett get divorced? I'll start there. the wife's blaming him immediately. Yeah, yeah, because he has... You fucking knew. You were with this guy all day.

Didn't you know there's serial killer? You let our daughter babysat, you motherfucker? You're worthless piece of shit. Fuck you. You protect everybody in this town. You can't protect your own fucking family. Get out of here. Did you have one? The cop who kills the kid.

Yeah. Suspension? Without pay? Are they like, we're kind of short-handed? We're going to need you to just come back to work tomorrow. We're going to kind of pretend that to that. I had, did Ben Trammer's parents suit? the city of Haddonfield.

Is there a march in Haddonfield? Yeah. The other thing is like for a second, if you're that cop, first of all, I don't know if the cop didn't die in the crash. No,

he got out of the car. He got out of the car. So do you think for one second, he's like, I fucking did it. I killed Michael. They're going to name a fucking holiday after me here.

He took out the starting pitcher on the Haddonfield baseball team. When Lori's parents finally did get a hold of her, how do you think that combo went? like you never told me that Michael Myers was my brother type shape. Yeah, that you're my adopted parents. Yeah.

And where have you guys been? Yeah. Right. I've been transferred to a second hospital. I've been stabbed. Yeah. I just watched nine people. All my friends are dead.

The fuck. And by the way, just let you know, all of this shit is happened. And then when I was getting into the ambulance, the guy fucking made me take a step up. Yeah. I broke my ankle. I know. I'm going to be like Jason Tatum when he tries to come back at Christmas. Oh, wow.

You look me off. I didn't like that. It's like it. It's like going to be 0 and 7 on Saturday night. What would have been the funniest Dana Carvey use? Could Dana Carvey have added some comedy? We could have had church lady doing like public access TV and being like, this is like Michael Myers has come because of Satan.

Or he just starts doing a couple of imitations. Yeah. Because he did a great Johnny Carson. I just feel like they had Dana Carvey right there. They should have. He's not SNL five years later. Yeah. Yeah.

Could have had him, got some common, yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you? Can I ask an unanswerable question? Yeah. Since when do all the hot teens work at a hospital? They're not teens. They're like in their late 20s, right? All of those were high schoolers?

No. Oh, they were all older. Yeah, they were like young adults. Yeah, they were hanging out. You know, it just happened to you? What happened to you is the thing that happens is looking back at these movies now where you can't really fucking tell how old somebody is.

Yeah, because everybody back then just seemed older. The back then looks 27. Yeah. There's not much space between. Regardless, though, it just seemed like it was like a lot of like cool, young, hip, hot people working out of hospital. Sure. In this little town. Like, that was the cool job to have.

It was like spooky breakfast club up in that. All of my unanswerable questions are Bill Simmons theory of how would Michael know how to drive. That's just like, how would you know what Sam Hane is? How would you know how needles work? How would he know? It's the evil thing in his brain that just he hears voices that guide him. Piece of memorabilia would you want or not want? from this movie. The mask would clearly

be number one. I think that's like, I don't know how much the mask from these first two movies would actually be worth if they had it. But I think it's like probably like five or six million dollars when you see like the Hollywood props. Like this nicotine stained mask. The original mask from the purse two movies. Yeah,

I think it would be one of the biggest collector. That's been baptized in Deborah Hill's Morrible. Yeah, I think it would be one of the biggest movie collector items you can have the fucking volleyball from castaway went for like $700,000. If you had it, would you have it out for people? to try on. That's in a safe.

Yeah, you can't. It's too expensive. It's one of the great things you could own, I think. Like, look at the fucking, it's the mat. It's the mask. One of the great things you could... Separate. Smoked all over the smash.

You could buy a Rothko, but you're like, nope. It's one of the great things that you can own. I'm saying from a movie. I got you. Yeah. Yes. You don't think it would be in a, like, a third round pick and a draft? Six million dollars is a little OD. trying to look this up. I don't know if it would be $6 million.

$6 million is a lot of... But you know that world better than I do. I just... This whole Hollywood prop world exploded. Yeah. When the Shawshank Bible went for like $600,000, that made me think the mask is probably worth at least five times that, right?

At least two mill. Yeah. This started... It's the mass that started 50 years of horror movies, basically. We should have... Yeah. I get it. It's cool. I bet that we...

would look it up. Okay. It says right here, Michael Myers. He has it on eBay for sale with the asking price this is from 2012 of a cool $1 million.

Oh. The actual mask? I thought the actual mask disappeared. This is on Michael dashmires. Dot net. So I don't know what kind of. Yeah.

I'm looking at it now. Coach Finstock Award Best Life Lesson. Just find your kids when there's a homicidal maniac on the loose in your neighborhood. Check in. Any kind of a parent,

just find out where are and go get them. Have a phone chain. Yeah. Best double feature choice Halloween one. Who won the movie? You gotta go with Big Mikey, Mikey Mike, right?

I think Byers was. It's crazy, but it's pleasant for me. Oh, okay. For as ridiculous as he is, he is like the kind of like the character who goes on an arc and is in the most scenes and is kind of dominating the movie.

I love how committed he is to the bit. Yeah. It could be like in that car ride. Assuming that they never turn around. They're just driving back. It's crazy that he made like five of these. Keep hip, five of them. Coming back.

Has a stroke at the end is back. Blows up, comes back. He kind of goes Michael Myers. Well, they say he survived the fire. And he has a little bit of scar tissue and four. We talked about that with Halloween for. Tough to imagine anyone survived the fire. I like that Lori also knows what's going on when they're turning in the gas.

She starts doing it too. Yeah. I would have been like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Why are you doing the gas? Anyway, Craig, what do you got? These are definitely my types of horror films. I don't love really, really scary movies,

but this is that perfect sweet spot. I like these because they just feel like the holidays. They feel like the fall. I think the town is, like, charming and warm. You just kind of want to be there. It's great. I just like the way it looks and feels. It's 90 minutes.

The score is fantastic. The unintentional comedy, it's great. I was thinking, you know, since the Halloween movies have been going on for so long, Are there a lot of other horror films set around Halloween? Or does this franchise kind of have Halloween? Nobody's fuck with it. I wish there were more movies.

It's like Saturday and live. Nobody will do another nighttime sketch show on the weekend. That's so weird. How many Christmas movies are there? Like, I wish there were more movies set on Halloween. They do movies set around Halloween time, but not really like horror movies. The VHS anthology that just came out, because VHS is like a short film's in one anthology every year.

That just is a Halloween one this year. It's set out of trickers on Halloween. I'm telling you, Halloween became different. It started to become like a fun holiday. They had to reclaim it because you got to sell that candy and make people feel safe about it. Now it's an adult thing and whatever. But the movies that they would make about Halloween would be like Disney Channel movies. Yeah.

Spook Town or Halloween Town, whatever fuck they got going. Well, the difference with Halloween in LA versus other cities is it's way more celebrated out here by adults. Like with the decoration of the houses. Yeah. I just don't. It was one of the things that struck me when I moved out here, like how much time and care and thought people put into celebrating Halloween with decorations. I want to ask you guys about that because being from the Bible Belt,

there was a celebration, there was celebrating Halloween, but you were never going to see, you can go to New Orleans maybe, but you were never going to see the type of Halloween celebration in Baton Rouge that you would see here ever. It's just not going to happen. Was Halloween a big deal in college when you guys were in college? No, I see it switched for me where, you know, when I was, as a little kid, everybody was just going as like Luke Skywalker or Batman or whatever. And then there was like a period of time basically like when I feel like haunted house

experiences really started popping off again. Yeah. And it would be like, oh, we can go to this thing. And it's like barely, barely kind of overseen by the law. Like it might get kind of weird in there and stuff. And like that's kind of when I got keyed back into it. It was when, you know, they have out here the haunted hayride and stuff like that. That is a good point.

Halloween terror horror nights. It was a big thing in Massachusetts because of Salem. Sure. Salem was always like you would

take the ride out. It was super creepy there, the witches. That is actually true. In Baton Rouge, they did have like this just

ridiculously scary haunted house. It's called like the 13th gate or something like that. Yeah. Scared the shit out of you.

And then there was also a cornfield maze, like a legitimate cornfield maze that was off there. I think off Nicholson somewhere, but there was like

a terribly scary horrid, a haunted house, like the Carn Evil 13th Gate type of thing. They did have that. Did I ever tell you the best haunted house I ever went to was in, like, Hudson Valley, New York? And you're up there, it's night.

You go through a regular haunted house, and you're kind of like, this is cool. Like, I had no idea this was coming. So you go through this haunted house. You're like, that was pretty good. You know, we're out here in the country. This was pretty fun. You get to the end of the haunted house.

And an attendant there is like, get on the bus. Get on the bus. And so your whole crew that you've been with gets on like a school bus. And over the school bus radio as this guy is driving you out into like cornfields, the radio is talking about how there's been a chemical leak

and there's been a zombie outbreak. And he drives you out to like the far side of a cornfield and you have to get through the cornfield while being chased by zombies. No way. Panic attack. Jesus. I'm gonna, like,

I'm gonna run for a little bit. I'm gonna run for a little bit. Then I'm gonna sit down in the middle of cornfield. I'm gonna be like, I'm out. Yeah. There's no more fun. You say, stop.

Safe word. Fucking bothering me. Did they have a bunch of actors playing the zombies chasing you? Wow. Fans like, pineapple. And that's what happens. You get to a point to where I would get so overwhelmed by fear. I'll be like, guys, stop.

It was really the surprise, though. It was like being put on the bucket. That's pretty good. Because that is awesome because you're on there. You're like, is this fucking happening? Like, what the fuck's going on? Where are you guys out with escape rooms? If you ever done one?

Do you like them? Do you enjoy it? Ben Simmons has been to 30 of them. Really? It's a big O. Yeah. him and his friends go. I went to a lot.

When I first moved to L.A. When I was in my early mid-20s, we went to a lot of escape rooms. It's a huge thing right now. Okay. Yeah. That's it for Halloween, too. Will we ever do another Halloween?

H-2-O, maybe? I would do H-2-O, yeah. You're just out on season of the witch. So, yeah, H-2-O is probably less likely. H-2-O, that was the Halloween movie that I saw as like a teenager in the movie theater with the peeps. Yeah, man.

That was when Hartman. That was the high school teen movie. All right. Craig Royalbeck, thank you. Gahau, Ronick, thank you. We'll be back next week with The Rewatchables for the famous celebrity guest. Can't wait.