The Rewatchables - ‘Hardcore’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey leave their Midwestern hometowns in search of their favorite runaway film, ‘Hardcore,’ starring George C. Scott, Season Hubley, and Peter Boyle and directed by Paul Schrader. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's next. A controversial subject. A brilliant actor. A powerful and touching film. A movie which will take you into a world never dealt with in a major motion picture. A father searches for his missing daughter, only to find she has been used in a sordid and shocking way. George C. Scott. Hardcore.

Rated R. Coming soon to a selected theater near you. All right. We've circled this movie for how many years? Two, three. We always joked we would never do it. Now we're doing it. Paul Schrader.

Your guy. It is my guy. Yeah. P.S. Yeah, this is his second movie on the rewatchables, and I want to stay I'm proud of him. What was the first one? American Gigolo.

Oh, right. Only two? I think so. Well, he's written movies we've done. We did Taxi Driver, of course, which is connected to this movie. But this is his second directed feature. I test drove about an hour of autofocus in preparation of this.

Did you? Not fun of a movie. be respectable, well done. But would we have to do blue collar? I wouldn't call it. Probably not. I think we'd probably not blue collar.

But we're doing hardcore. C.R. I'll start here. The Tough Beat Dad Pantheon for movies. Yeah, tough beat, dad. Are we going to make a pyramid? No pyramid. Interesting idea, though. I didn't really press.

Shoemaker, I would need you to put George C. Scott's face watching his daughter in horns. Just can you put some bummed-up, bum-d-out dance? It's Death Wish and hardcore as the kind of bird and magic. Sure. Death Wish, it just spawns five different movies of him, just becoming a vigilante because of what happened to his family.

Taken, I think, is up there. Good one. Liam Neeson was one I showed my daughter when she was maybe seven or eight. Like, this is what happens when you don't listen to Dad. You showed your daughter the film, Taken? Yeah, this is what happens. All right. to your father. You'll show your daughter when she's like...

Not. No, I won't. No, I won't. You will. No, I don't think. At seven years old, so he saw it. So he was like nine. And was she like, I got the message, the lesson is learned? Notice how she didn't tell her father that she was in Paris, like going to this YouTube concert? Remember, like, the lack of communication

and now she's being kidnapped by Bulgarian and terrorists. And what if taken impacted YouTube tour sales? I suspect no. I think the sphere, everything was perfectly well there. But in both of those cases that you decided, though, the father does a lot of tough beating. You know, really,

Charles Bronson and Liam Neeson in those movies, like they really take a kind of revenge on the world because of what's happened. So is our guy George and hardcore? Sort of. He immediately becomes a porn producer in five minutes.

Seamlessly. Bies a couple jackets and some pants. He's ready to roll. Ransom, I have in the tough beat, Dad Pantheon. Yeah. And then it gets a little grim with Monsters Ball and Mystic River. Those are in there.

But the movies around a dad having some sort of traumatic event. I mean, I think Mr. River qualifies. Yeah, I would say it qualifies. But yeah, this is every once in a while to make a movie like this where you watch and you go, what would I do if this was my kid? It seems like all the possibilities are taken off the table because people lose their minds if their kids are threatened in some way or if something happened. Chris is smiling. Oh, just because I don't have this problem.

What could be taken from you? He just says it with Joel NB. Yeah, what is it that could be taken from you. Bryce Harper. So, Bryce Harper was kidnapped by Romanian terrorists. It would be like watching my daughter do four. That's what it's going to be like when Embed suits up for the Knicks next year. So it's all good. We also have that late 70s kind of grimy underworld scene, which so many of these movies do well that gets set in New York and San Francisco and Los Angeles where you're just I don't know what was going on from 76 on. So it's like there's a lawlessness. As we discussed with the combat zone in Boston once upon a time.

Yeah. There was just some sort of lawlessness just happening. It's like a 10-year hangover from the 60s that just gets increasingly grimyer. The drugs get worse and harder. I think the politics get weirder. And I think that the lessons people take from free love and all the social upheaval of the 60s are now like being adapted to these really like Bacchanalian

just debauchrous kind of behaviors. And this is one of my favorite kind of movies, the Going Underground movie, where a square has to get hip somehow is just one of my favorite subgenres. Would you call it like a cousin, like a second cousin of cruising? Yeah, I think at this cruising,

taxi driver. Like, there's so many films in this. And, you know, all the way up through 8mm is like kind of, this is like the father of that. Eight millimeter basically rewrote this movie. And by the way, I'm fine with it. But it's same kind of premise. Yeah. I mean, even Easy Rider has that element of like Jack Nicholson being pulled into this world of these drug dealers and bikers.

And, you know, all the new Hollywood stuff in the 60s and early 70s is kind of leading towards this end of the decade feeling like, Okay, what has free love wrought, basically, which is this society that is honestly just more comfortable and more open to a sexualized world of entertainment. Like, this movie is a little bit, I think it kind of overstates the seediness. Like porn in major cities and, you know, strip clubs and this kind of was just accessible. You know, like if you just went to Times Square in 1977, that was culture at that time. Or 1992. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, as recently, right up until Giuliani. like it was just much more present. I think of major cities now, like, that's the weird thing about, I think we all grew up in cities where you would be like, right, that's where all the porn theaters are, or like, the porn theaters down the street from an actual regular movie theater or something. And now that's been kind of wiped off. Like, you don't find like that kind of stuff. In cities, you don't see it as much.

I mean, even growing up in the suburbs, there were just adult bookstores that were in strip malls that were next to the pharmacy. Like, that was not really that weird. You know, as a kid, I never totally understood what those stores were. But it was just a part of American life. Marital AIDS. Yeah, exactly. Well, think about late 70s.

We don't really have VHS yet. We don't have pay-per-view. We playboy magazine. And then if you're, you know, a super horny person or you just wanted to be around sex and couldn't figure out how to get there, you would go to these places in these cities. You would go, you'd bring a roll of quarters and be like, I'm just going to pump in quarters and this girl, the curtain's going to go up,

but I'm going to just watch her be naked for two minutes. Or you go sit in a movie theater with a bunch of whoever. Yeah. And it was just different. And now the paradigm's completely shifted where all of it's private, right? It's like even strip joints, like I think some people would even be afraid to go in there because of the cell phone era. Yeah, you won't go during summer.

You'll still go. You've stopped going to the Spearman Rino after years. You were a VIP class member. Well, I get too many TMZ cameras coming up to be being like, Chris, Chris, what do you think is going to happen in game two? How's Embed's knee? Yeah, when I moved to L.A. was just ending whatever, like, the last vestiges of whatever it happened. There was one also transitional thing that happened in the 80s where you started getting in the independent video stores, the private section with the swinging saloon doors where you could rent the cowboy doors.

movies. Yeah. I'm not too serious about myself to not admit that I used to do, you do the slow walk by and just try to get the ankle in to see some of the video boxes to see what's going on in there. What's Jenna Jamison up to this week? Yeah. How old did you have to be where you just felt comfortable, just wandering through the doors? They were gone by the time I was old enough.

Yeah, I looked too young. I wasn't going to be like, it's just me. We were like seniors in high school just like, let's go. Let's go in the, did you ever actually rent anything out of that section? I think we probably did a couple of times. It's different air. We talked about this in other pods. They had terrible names in them.

Schrader loved this world. Ebert, our guy Raj, wrote about Schrader. His movies are about people with values in conflict with society. He wrote Taxi Driver and Rolling Thunder and Rone directed Blue Collar. All three are about people prepared to defend with violence if necessary. Their steadfast beliefs. Ebert loved this movie. we'll get to in a second.

But walk us through the Shrader piece of hardcore. What's going on with him? Well, it's like a deeply autobiographical movie in a way that I can't think of any other filmmaker having done, which is it's very much about his exit from this world of Grand Rapids and Calvinist, you know, Dutch Reformation religion. But the main character is his dad.

I mean, he's basically written a film about what happens if his dad had chased him when he left Michigan to go find. a career and a sleazy lifestyle in Los Angeles. You know, Schrader's very open about his interest in the world of sexuality and guns and drugs and, you know, he's somebody who was looking to reject the way that he was brought up. But the frame of the movie is so interesting because, you know, his dad famously never watched any of his movies.

He never engaged really with this world, these worlds that he created. This being a second film and making it so personal, but also so good. gimmicky with the, oh my God, that's my daughter, you know, marketing tagline. It is fascinating. He's like a master of high and low. So, like, you know, if you read his film criticism and he's written a lot of really amazing film criticism, he obviously has like a complete understanding of cinema and cinema history and especially Japanese cinema.

And this movie is basically a beat for beat remake of The Searchers. So he obviously has like a really great understanding of classical storytelling, but is not afraid to get really dirty and really exploitative. and also very spiritual. And it's a kind of mixture that's very hard to do right, but when he does it right, it's just incredible.

I like that there's a book called Schrader on Schrader. Made me think like... What are you going to do Simmons on Simmons? Simmons. I feel like I need to think about, right? Simmons on Simmons. Just like some photo of me on the cover.

You are doing it every week. You know, like you have got reams on content. Can't wait. I'm just working on that guys. He's like one of those new Hollywood guys though, who's obsessed with

other filmmakers too and thinking about like, well, this is my movie about this and this is my movie about this. And his recent stuff is like they're all kind of about the same thing. They're all kind of about a Schrader-esque guy who's really lonely and sad and feels like the world is ending. Yeah. This movie is not like those movies. There's no scene in the movie where there's like a guy journaling about his pain inside of his heart. The George C. Scott character is a real outlier in his filmography.

When did you reject Calvinism? I can't remember what year was that? Is it in your 20s? When you were working for Newberry comics. 83. But after you upsold somebody a South Park dog. My first camel light, I was just like I've fallen away from the church. Wikipedia, which I rarely read actual excerpts from Wikipedia,

but I thought this was just great. This is how it described Hardcore. Hardcore is a 1979 American neo-noir thriller crime drama film written and directed by Paul Schrader. Its plot follows a conservative Midwestern businessman whose teenage daughter goes missing in California. beat. With the help of a prostitute, his search leads him to the illicit subculture of pornography, including stuff films. That's pretty much the movie. It is the movie. That's what happens. That's the movie. There's so obviously we do research of this stuff, and there was stuff I knew about this movie and stuff I didn't know. And one of the things I didn't know was that he wanted the ending to be

totally different. This is written about at length in Tarantino's cinema speculation book. He's got a whole chapter dedicated to hardcore, which he's like the first hour of this movie is excellent. It's like an excellently rendered adult drama about this world. And then he has a lot of notes about how it goes off the rails and includes the snuff film stuff. And then the ending, which is a pretty bad ending, honestly, relative to what the movie has been all the way up until this point. Like, it feels like it kind of like rejects. It just turns into a 70s action movie out of nowhere for eight minutes. And just like tonally, it just shifts to just like a movie that isn't as hard-bitteness you think it's supposed to be.

Yeah, yeah. Is it okay that I still kind of like it? I know it doesn't fit with the rest of the movie. You want to tell people what the alternative? Yeah, let's talk about the alternate, though. Yeah, the alternative ending is, you know, his daughter has disappeared, she's become involved in the world of porn, and she dies unrelated to the porn work in a car accident.

And this woman that George C. Scott's character has befriended, who is a prostitute, he sort of like adopts her as his. his daughter's surrogate and brings her back to Grand Rapids, Michigan with him. And that it feels, you know, very similar to, it's like very much in the vein of the searchers in that way. And it probably would have been like a more... It's a great novel. Emotionally realized version of the story, but maybe doesn't satisfy our impulses as audiences when you sit down for a movie where you're like, God, I just want this guy to save his daughter, you know? And that's what he does in the real ending.

It's a much funnier ending the original ending. Nikki going back to Grand Rapids. Nicky going back to... Hey, guys, this is Nikki. She's wearing one of her outfits. Hey, everybody! But she's such a great character. I mean, she's like...

The movie really works in a lot of ways because of her. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird because Season Hubby, who plays Nikki. Yeah, she's in a escape after this, right? Yeah, she was in Escape from New York. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's in Vice Squad. Yeah, never totally happened for her, but she's great in this movie.

Like, if you would have said, what happens to her, you would have guessed, oh, she must have become a star. right? And she just really didn't. It is strange, but she also kind of got typecast as characters like this. I tried to figure out what happened to her. She was married to Kurt Russell. They had a kid, and then she basically stopped acting the end of the 90s.

And it just said she just kind of went off the grid. And one of the notes was she stopped accepting autograph requests in 2002. That's an actual thing about her on the internet. So I was like, I don't know what happened. People were coming up to her and be like,

I don't know. How many autographed requests could she've even gotten? Well, she's got some complicated roles in her past. What did 2004 when you stopped requesting autograph requests? Yeah, that's going to be after game two in the six-year series. And then our guy, George C. Scott. Wow. He's a...

Boy, is there some good research about him? The man. I actually did a full deep dive on what a fucking wacko George C. Scott was. But won an Oscar, 1970 for Patton refused it. nominated three other times. One, two Emmys. How many times do you think he was married, Chris? Five.

Five. Five marriages. His biography that somebody wrote about him, the title is Rage and Glory. Is that the alt title for Simmons on Simmons? Rage and Glory. Sean, like, legendary drunk asshole? The biggest drunk, yeah. Like, is there a more legendary drunk asshole?

It's Oliver Reed. You know, there's a couple of guys for England and Singapore. were different. The British guys were always tanked and just like blood type gin. Yeah. They had built into George C. Scott's contract days for him to basically be on a bed. To wander off. Yeah. I mean, he is, he's the human volcano. That's what he is in his performance style. And seemingly as a person in every movie, he just, you're waiting for him to explode. And he

explodes once in every movie he makes in the 70s. And it is fucking awesome when he explodes. He is the best at blowing his top. But it seemed like a tough guy to work with. One of my first favorite movies ever was Day of the Dolphin, which he was in. I think it was like one of the first three movies I probably ever saw in the theater. Mike Nichols, it's like Mike Nichols is boondoggle. I said it was like, What's up, Doc, Day of the Dolphin, and I can't remember the third one. What a start to your movie watching experience.

But I always knew him as the guy from that movie, and then as you get older and you start seeing more movies, and then you're like, oh, I'm really interested in this guy, and then you find out more about him. Do you have a favorite George C. Scott performance? I mean, it's probably hardcore. Yeah. I liked him in the Changeling. I think the Changeling was good. The hospital is my favorite.

The hospital. The hospital in this movie, I feel like, are, yeah, Patty. They're paired because they're basically both playing impotent guys, and he's really good at his rage is because he just can't get it up. Like, that's really what's, that's like, and for a guy who drinks all the time, can't get it up, and he's married five times, you know, like read into why he's very good at these characters. George C. He catches some strange.

He's a genius, but also Strange Love, obviously, Dr. Strange Love, he's funny in that movie. There's a Time magazine article about him from 1971. That's basically, the 70s, the big magazine features back then are like one of my true delights in life where people just gave quotes and just assumed, oh, this will come out and then nobody overseed again. It's also like they hung out with the subject for 11 days. Yeah, and the subject just said crazy shit.

Yeah. They'd hang out for five hours and then the guy would just say something insane. I'm just going to read you a couple excerpts. When the mask is off and he is living his own life, Scott has often turned to savage punishment of himself and nose around him. He has candidly called this heavy drinking an addiction and saloons for their easy conviviality, a very necessary part of my life.

He's had his nose broken several times in bar room brawls. And he says, this sort of thing happens to actors who have a reputation of being tough guys. He says in a defensive rationale, There's always some guy that wants to take you apart. I'm not Marciano and I can't keep this stuff up all my life. I should stay at a barrooms, I suppose, but I happen to like them. Then he has also violently struck at least one woman in rage and twice has injured himself by ramming his fist against a wall and a mirror.

There's a gentleness and mundaneness in Scott's life as well. What an amazing follow-up sentence. Yeah, quite a transition. I'll be read that one again. There's a gentleness and mundaneness in Scott's life as well. This is after we've thrown domestic violence and self-mutilation. Yeah, but you know what? I'll just say,

Ritter is putting aside his character as a person. Like, that gentle mundanity is very evident in the first 20 minutes of this movie. Right. Where he's just, like, going to his furniture shop and being like, these specs look good. And if you're watching this for the first time, you might be like, how much fucking furniture making in Grand Rapids are really?

Right. Very still, repressed guy for a long period of time in the film. The patent producer Frank McCart. in this time magazine piece says he rewrote several scenes to make pat more sympathetic but the rewrites were not as good as what we already had scott missed eight days of work some because of a current problem with the retina's left eye two because he was drinking hard and feeling mean quote i got fed up exhausted and frustrated so i'd go out and get loaded and then mccarthy said he's difficult to deal with but always for a purpose i wish i had a picture with scott started

tomorrow. That was like the recurring theme of these guys. They're like, hey, he's a fucking pain in the ass. But great actor. I mean, we don't make them like that anymore for better or for worse. You definitely cannot strike a woman and then go to set the next day. Or just be like... Or just punch a mirror repeatedly.

Yeah, Austin Butler missed seven days of work. Like, we don't really do that. Shrader tells a great story about how halfway through filming the movie Scott turn to him and said, hey, man, you're a heck of a writer, but you're an awful director and you're doing a terrible job. Which is just like in the middle of the movie.

You know, like he's an asshole. John Houston, the director, said, quote, Scott is one of the best actors alive, but my opinion of him as an actor is much higher than my opinion of him as a man. George C. Scott. Tough one. Anyway, you can read more

in his biography, raging glory. So it really seems like he was the number one asshole of that whole era. I think he had some There were guys from the 50s and 60s who were just like alcohol maniacs. It's just like you'll read stories. These guys are all also like those who are still alive.

It's like freaking was like really recently before you die, Freak was just like Pacino's an asshole. Like Pacino was an absolute jerk off. Yeah. I mean, on the one hand to be generous to some of these people, making movies like this is really intense and stressful. And like having to channel what he's doing in this movie, it probably makes you a little insane.

Yeah. I think all actors have to be. like kind of 10% insane. When you get somebody who's susceptible to alcohol or drugs or already, like he clearly, psychologically, like, I'm sure he had a lot of shit going on. He clearly had some problems as a person. And this, I think this work tends to exacerbate it. And in fact, producers, like, sees on this.

Like, they see a guy like him and they're like, we need that, that George C. Scott energy, that craziness that he brings to a movie. And then so it keeps feeding itself. That's not excusing the behavior. It sounds like he was not a good guy. But we don't, I can't think of anybody who can, who brings this to movies right now. There's nothing like this going on in movies. Yeah, who is this now?

I mean, nobody has been... Nick Cage is like the closest thing of like that volcanic. But it's so performative. Yeah. Yeah. I love Nick Cage, but it's not the same thing where you feel like George C. Scott, like, actually is having a meltdown in some of these movies. Remember the old Kevin Clark game show?

Great Hang, Bad Hang? Uh-huh. Reade to decide whether somebody is a great hang or bad hang. George C. Scott probably bad hang. Bad, bad hang. Gets worse seem tough. I think more drinks go down. The first thing.

shot in beer and it's just like, what do you think of the socks this year, George? And it's like, okay. And then it's like some... Two hours later. He's swinging a pool cue around. Yeah, fifth inning. He's like, is that guy side-eyeing me over there? George C. Scott.

Well, he didn't get along with Paul Schrader, as Sean alluded to. And there's a moment when he refused to come out of his trailer. He threatened to quit the film. He tried to force Schrader to promise he would never direct again. Paul Schrader directed again. one of your favorite cinematographers is involved in this one, CR? Yeah.

Your guy. Marty's guy. Yeah. How about the score? Jack Nietzsche? Nietzsche. Nietzsche? Yeah.

Just all hitters. Like, everybody worked on this movie. It was Paul Silbert did the production design. Like, it's just a great assemblage of talent behind the scenes. It's Tom Rolfe who cut the right stuff. Like, it's some of the very best people. But a lot of it is casting off of what Scorsese had done. You know, like, it's a lot of people that he, that Trader got to meet from working on taxi driver.

And then Peter Boyle's in this as well. It's just, some actors just belong in a decade. Pete Boyle. Like, Anthony Michael Hall is just like, you should only have existed in the 80s. Peter Boyle's, like, you should only have existed in the 70s. Yeah, David Schwimmer, full 90s. Full 90s, that's it. Yeah. Peter Boy, you just see him and you're like, oh, man, this is going to go sideways.

This guy's going to be drinking Budweiser out of a glass. Yeah. He didn't surprising a good career for a pre-nions. pretty strange-looking guy. Yeah, I mean, he went on a big sitcom star, but this taxi driver, Joe, and young Frankenstein, you're in the Hall of Fame. There's more, too.

Wasn't he an Eddie Coil? Eddie Coil? He was. He's good in Eddie Coil. He's hilarious in this movie. Andy Masked, the private dick is so funny. One of the things I love about this movie is there's like five different directions. It goes where you're like, oh, I could also spend time in that movie.

That could also, like the Andy Mass P.I. Easily could have been a movie. It could have been a great TV show. Wouldn't you watch every week him like picking up scumbags in L.A. on the porn sets? That would be a great show. It's like porn Spencer for hire, basically. Nikki the Hooker easily could have been her own show. It's a great idea.

The two porn guys. You could have gotten Bill Ramada still in there. Bill Ramada was absolutely a movie. I was so interested in his world. I made $5.3 million. Bill Ramada. Bill Ramada. What a legend.

That's one of the things that like the, Trader is amazing at creating these people who feel real. A lot of the characters in this movie feel real. And there's so much, yeah, well, we'll get into it. Our guy, Raj. Raj. Four stars. Yeah.

Yeah. He says, he didn't love the ending. He said in bringing his story to a satisfactory conclusion, Schrader doesn't speak to the deeper and more human things he's introduced, themes he's introduced, too bad. But hardcore, flawed and uneven, contains moments of pure revelations. And his guy, Siskel, gave it three and a half stars. I thought it was both a rich film of ideas and of strikingly real characters.

I thought George C. Scott gave a great performance. This movie was critically loved except by Paul and Kale, who made her mad for some reason. For some reason? Because she's had some issues with the set, with the sexuality. The sexuality stuff. I think she's, but she was actually like. It's just not electrifying at all, right? Like, it's just kind of...

Yeah, she wanted it to be more erotic for some reason. Yeah, but that's not the... That's not the point in the movie. The movie's flaw is also its strength, which is that the movie is, like, the lead character in the movie is shocked and horrified by what's going on, but you can't make the movie without showing us

what happens in the world. So you're seeing it through the eyes of a character. And at a certain point, the character stops being shocked and horrified by it, and you don't totally understand why. So it gets a little bit confusing. Like, there's a certain point, when he is the porn producer

and one of the guys really wants to pull his pants down and he, to show him his dick and he pulls his pants down and he's just like, yeah, okay. And he's like completely burnt out.

Like it's as if he is no longer scandalized by all this stuff. What's like to get burnt out? I would know. On that one, Chris. How many hours in the combat zone? It was like a... A CR.

Yeah, let's do CR in the combat zone. We never like stopped in, but it was adjacent to bars down there. like you would walk through it. And you would just say a hearty hello to anybody who was just putting in work that down there. A quarter at a time. A hearty hello.

What about you? Well, when we were in college, Worcester had like kind of like half a street with bad stuff. And then a couple strip joints spread around. But there was this like porn, like the classic like porn book movie shop that we would go to for comedy sick every once in a while and just go through like, you know, they'd have stuff split by genres. Yeah. And the people that were in there were some of the darkest, weirdest people you're going to find in America. I don't want to get ahead of Best Needle drop, but that's by far the funniest point in this movie. Oh, Neil Young?

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Go find your next adventure with a Nissan SUV. Learn more at Nissan.usa.com. Most rewatchable scene. So I do like Peter Boyle's first scene in the diner as Andy Masked when we meet him, and he's like, it's $750 a week minimum. I was trying to think, like, that's like a crazy amount of money for 1979. Yeah. I mean, what's that now? Like, three grand a week? He's the best at what he does, right?

It's got to be more than three grand. Four grand? What's the inflation conversion? Six times as much? Also, he worked for four months. So how much was that? That's $12,000. He's basically scamming it to some extent. 12 grand in 1979. How much furniture is our guy, our guy Jake's selling? It seemed like he had a nice little business. Yeah, and he also had the celery thing. I think it's like maybe some family money in operation. Yeah. His wife blue. I would have I wouldn't put anything before this scene rewatchable, but I really like how he did it, where he just takes us into Grand Rapids. I like when the whole family's together, and it's like they're showing them, and he's like cutting the turkey, and then it cuts to all of them watching TV, and they're just, you could tell the kids are just completely bummed out.

That scene is super important, though, because you hear that guy say, who makes it, all the kids who couldn't get along here, they go out to California and make television. I didn't like them when they were here, and I don't like them out there. You don't buy one yourself. The kids go someplace else and watch. Give the kids a break. It's Christmas.

What? And that's like the signal. There's also the really good scene of Kristen with her friend when the friend is playing chicken with her. Yeah. She's like, oh, man. Yeah. Yeah.

And you never think Kristen would be the one who would be coming. You know, they wrong foot you into thinking it's the blonde who's going to disappear. Next scene. Andy Bass rents out of theater. Have you ever seen any pornographic? movies, Jake. What? You know, stag films.

No, what? Have you ever seen any point of graphic movies, Jake? No. You know what a hardcore movie is? Yeah, it's like a stag film, huh? Yeah. Have you ever seen

one of those? No. They're legal now. All over. So I got it. You've been here in Grand Rapids. Uh-huh. There's a little, uh, stall theater up here.

It's closed now, but, uh, I got the use of it for an hour. It's something you ought to see. What do you think that cost to rent out that theater in 1979? It's a lot of theatricality for making a point. You could just spend like your daughter's in a porno, but I'm going to try and figure out where she is. Yeah.

I had this as a nitpick so we can do it now. One of the reasons I like this scene is he's almost like sneak attacking with them. It's like, it's in football. He's running a double reverse on him. Just like, just tell him, yeah. Yo, this is bad. Your daughter's in a porn. of private investigators.

He's got so many guys in motion, all this stuff happening pre-staffed. He's standing behind with his arms crossed, like watching him, it's really kind of fucked up. It's such a weird way to do it. The related nitpick, which the whole movie hinges on, is how did he find this 8mm reel? Well, that's the other nitpick.

I mean, that's like a needle in a stack of needles. I think the only thing... He watched every 8mm reel reel made in the previous three months. I was going to answer this later, but I don't think there was as much porn back then, I think, as the answer. I don't think, I think by the time we get into like the 80s, this is impossible. Yeah, 77, 78, 79, especially with newer stuff, there probably wasn't that much. Do you think with your Danny Kelly's draft board mind for porn history, you would be able to find it today?

It's a hard movie to Google. Let me put it that way. On a work computer. Well, it's tough because even if you Google it and you type in hardcore with anything, then a whole bunch of searches come up to you. on. It is hard. Listen, this is the best scene in the movie. It's unbelievable watching George C. Scott

sit down and be like, oh, what's this? Wait a second. And then just, and then he, it cuts back and forth. It cuts to the movie. A second guy comes in. And then we kind of just land on George for a minute. Yeah. Just getting more and more and he's sinking this,

uh, turn it off. And just does the George C. Scott thing. Turn it off. Turn it off! Do you think that Andy Mass told the projectionist wait until three turn it off before you turn it off? It's like, what are they waiting for there? But there's also something creepy about the fact

it's obvious what it is immediately. He could just be like, got it. I got it, yes. As soon as she takes her shirt off, I'd be like, I'm out of here. The second guy coming in, you're like, okay, good, good, I'm good. No more. His relationship to his daughter, I think, is somewhat ambiguous over the course of the film and especially the end.

And the fact that he is like, let's just stay for the end credits on this one is pretty intense, you know? I don't know if there's ever been another movie scene like this. This is also like what was happening in the world where a big movie star was like, yeah, we're going to do this scene in a Hollywood movie. That's crazy. Well, and then Peter Boyle says, as Andy says, nobody makes it, nobody shows it, nobody sees it. It's like it doesn't exist. That's the line of the movie. And then he says, when I find her, you might not want her back,

which is the other kind of secret piece of this movie. Like, what's happened to her and how much damage is there? And are you, what daughter are you even getting back? Are you getting back a version of her that's sustainable? And that's why the ending kind of doesn't work, because there is this whole big question of, can you be forgiven in these communities when you do things like this? Or is it because all of his ideology is like that they're already evil.

Like that man is already like complete trash until they find like salvation. Right. I don't want to step on CR's Great Shot Gordo Corner because, you know, it's one of your things. Thanks. I really like the fun house mirror shot of him at the tail end of the scene of George D. Scott. It goes like sideways up high and just starts to get a little blurry and he's just kind of like losing his mind. It's like he'll never be the same. I also like the way they shoot everything in general, like when they're,

talking outside the theater after, like, what's behind him, and you can just see, like, different, like, 70s porn stuff. And it's just, we go from, like, he doesn't know what a porn thing is. And now he's in it. And he's surrounded by it and all the shots. I think it's just really good filmmaking. The porn scene in the motel is hilarious. It's amazing.

I could have gone another three, four minutes. The movie is at least 40% a comedy on purpose. I fully believe. I don't think that it's, like, a mistake. is like hilarious. The filmmaker, the guy, the UCLA guy, and him looking basically like Spielberg is amazing.

Like, there's a lot of like very bright, biting humor too. And this is the thing with every Schrader movie. It's the most serious or disgusting subject matter imaginable, but there are at least five moments that are laugh out loud funny. And the funniest moment is

George C. Scott sitting on the couch wearing a tie-dye shirt, a fake mustache, and a terrible wig, and auditioning young men to come in for his porn movie. You can imagine how influential

this was for like the Tarantino generation and Paul Thomas Anderson, all these dudes. You can see how much they just grab left and right from different pieces. And the same fun and humor that they're having in otherwise like serious genre movies, the same way that this movie is. Nikki, come on, sweetheart. Now, you're lying

back. You're feeling the fucking so good about it. You're setting your mind free. You're thinking about your dad. Your mind is open. It's just shh. You're a good director. You see L.A. The kids are good

director, UCLA. There was a real porn star in the scene with our girl's season, Hubley. Serena, she's in the credits. She did some Google on her that probably almost shut down my iPad. Was married to Jamie Gillis in the 70s, porn legend. Whoa. Yeah, a lot of credits for Serena. Interesting.

Back in the day. They were volume shooters, you know, back then. Yeah, sort of buddy healed. Yeah, that's right. Kind of need to get warmed up. What does he say the kid's got a big shalom? Great talent. It's like,

because he gets it up finally. He's like, that kid's got a great shlaw. He's like, great talent. That seems awesome.

I also love the hotel. The 70s hotels. Like, I just don't know if those exist in the same way anymore. But it's so funny. All the TV and movies we grew up with,

it's just like, they're just shooting a porno in that. Totally. Imagine being next to them. So many TV and movies from like 75 to 82 had scenes like that.

That's why even in a, what's the Slater one on Black in the True romance. Mm-hmm. Like that hotel they set some of it in. It almost feels like an homage to like this era of whatever. Next one.

I'm doing the score. Jake takes a drive through Hollywood. Yeah. Oh, there's some hookers. Yeah. I think I'll stop at a porn shop. It's a great. What happens in here?

It's just great to have a sonic sting or for every time you hear. that sound. Something awful or illicit is happening in the movie. You know, it's just a really funny idea. I don't think it's ever not worked when somebody is driving through L.A., the old version of L.A. like that. And then it's just like shots of... I know. It's always like in a fucking cutlass.

You know what I mean? It's like in some boat going down sunset. Yeah. 50 cent admission is really funny. Then it gives the token back. I love the one guy just kind of reading the magazine. I like how Shrader shoots it high. Almost like it's a security camera.

It's one of his moves. The Kid Cut is obviously helpless by CSNY. It's so funny. It's such a great choice. Also, them clearing it for that. It's also amazing. I want to be in that meeting. Next,

I just wrote casting Big Dick Black and Jism Jim. Yeah. This is one of the greatest five minutes of the 70s. I'm glad to meet you, Mr. but I'm afraid you're not exactly the type we're looking for. You mean because I'm black? No, he's just not the type. What do you mean, not the type?

Man, don't you know who I am? I'm big dick black. I've done more porn movies than you ever saw. I work with Harry Reams, Johnny Y, not the type. I can come ten times a day. I can keep it hard for two hours at a time. I'm a woman's dream. I got a dick hung on me nine inches long.

All I could think about was Bustin Billy and Comey and Comey. and Chris the whole time I was watching this. I was like, who picks their names like this? You know? Like, there's got to be... Big Dick Black. I can come ten times a day. Keep it hard for two hours at a time. Throwing the... playing the race card. He's a little mad at George Stee.

He came in mad. He came in like he knew he wasn't getting it. Do you think... Okay, this is kind of an unanswerable question, but do you think Big Dick Black's claims that he had worked with Harry Reams and Johnny Watt? You think he was being honest or do you think he was lying to get a gig? No, I think he... I don't... I think

Big Dick Black was a name. He was a guy. He was a guy. He was a guy. He was a guy back there. They would have thrown him the car keys. Jim Sloan not as big of a name, which is why he had to go by Jism Jim. Yeah.

Jism Jim. Jim. Jim. Jim. Jim. You might know me by my friend. Oh, Jism Jim. Yeah.

For a second, I was like, Jim. Jism Jim. Now there's an M at the end. Is that a J or a G? That seems unbelievable. I love... I love that George C. Scott reaches for the lamp before the guy. guys even finished his story.

He's like, yeah, for sure, for sure. Craig made a good point. He texted us so he was watching it how fast George C. Scott. Jake just goes, all of a sudden he's got the comb over, toupee wig with the cool shirt. And he looks like the guy in body double. Yeah. The guy who's the bad guy in body double?

I understand why he feels the need to have a disguise, but it's not like he was going to like, It's not like these guys were going to be like, aren't you Jake Van Dorn, the furniture guy? I saw you on Facebook. That's true. Not a lot of Grand Rapids people out there. I really like when Nikki and Jake are hanging out in San Diego.

Yeah. Having a life talk, and she's telling him she's like their therapist for the clients. There are conversations in the airport when he's explaining Tulip. And then when they're outside. Such an awesome part of the movie. And he's like, you couldn't possibly. fathom my life and she's talk like that that stuff is so well written they're so good together yeah really changes the energy of the movie how important you think sex is not very well then we're

just alike i mean you think it's so unimportant that you don't even do it i think it's so important that i don't care i do it with you know we're not alive you can never understand a person you have a mystery to you Midwestner, goes to church, believes in God. It's like, good points, Nicky the Hooker. Are they really like how you're thinking? When you're watching that TV, though. Nicky, the actress. Yeah, you feel like, why is this woman not Jessica Lang, though?

Like, she's such a good actor. She's so comfortable and up against this clearly insane George Seas, like, Oscar-winning maniac. But he's actually somewhat soft in that, those scenes. He's, like, pretty patient. He doesn't seem dismissive of her. It's actually, it's so unique. Jake goes to the bottom.

bondage place I wrote down just because I like how when he goes through the walls. Yeah. This might have been the reshot ending. I don't know. But it's just pretty memorable how they shoot all of that. Yeah, the film is slowed down, so it's moving at a different pace. And then the colors, like the green neon light that's on him. And then, like, the neon stuff recurs in all the Schrader movies.

You see that over and over again. But it looks really cool. And it's funny to imagine, you know, a makeshift bondage emporium that has built with cardboard and styrofoam, you know? Just to just to section it off so you have a separate room to go to? Good fight scene on the hill, too. Oh, actually really effective.

George C. Scott, who's like, hey, I'm not going to pull punches. Yeah, really, like 45-degree angle hill. And they're, I mean, he's doing those stunts. Like, that's him in those scenes. Oh, yeah. I just had three millers. I'm ready to rock. Oh, yeah.

George was fucking plowed. He's like, wait, I get to hit somebody. Come here, Todd. He throws Todd into the telephone pole. I was like, damn, he took a shot there. He really did. What do you got for most of watchable Sierra? I think it's probably the...

He has to watch the scene because it starts off and you're just like, oh, a mask has an update. And he's like, well, no, this is the worst thing that could ever happen. Yeah, for some reason, I thought there was a scene between him at the diner with the mask and then him show and the thing.

But no, they get right to it. I think that that has to be because it's become a meme and a kind of legendary image and they sold the movie on that. But I still get such a kick out of that first scene with Mast when they're meeting. And he's like, I'm a practitioner of mind science myself. You know, everything that Mast says in the first meeting is unbelievable.

Actually, I'm going to go back. It's when Jake goes to meet Ramada in his office. Oh, why didn't I have that down? And Rameh is just like, Detroit. I love Detroit. I had an all-time box office smash there, Little Oral Annie to see it. And Jake goes, talented actress. No, I'm afraid I missed it.

Little or her. She's going to be a big star. I also in that scene, that's where he's telling his crony. He's like, you're my right, man. You only say right to me. Tell me,

what do I think about this, right, boss? It's great. Bill Ramada. I really love this movie. Ben Gazara just does this in Big Lobowski. He's just Ramada.

Yeah, that's true. That's a great call. Is it wrong to think that this movie actually is a rewatchable? It's really funny. It's like... I think it's like... I was like thoroughly energetic.

And I had seen it a bunch of times, but I was like, this movie's just good. There's something very, very, very sad at the core of it. You know, and you have to accept that. But if you can just enjoy... From the guys that just did Manchester by the scene of rewatchable. True. But even like the auditioning the young guys, too, that seems super funny.

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I don't even really understand that. So it's five floating days? How does he choose them? How does Embed choose when he plays for the Sixers? It's probably similar, right? It's quarter by quarter, really. Five break days per round? Yeah, that's right.

CR is like George's got energy. You're upset. You're upset. No, I was just trying to think of, I was going to try and think of a Celtics comeback, and I just couldn't. You guys just got it also. We're taping this two hours before game two of Sixers' NICs. So, CR is like George C. sitting in the theater seat right now.

And Sean's like Andy Matt standing behind him. He's like, watch, this is Tyrese, Texas COVID test came back. Oh, my, that's my Tyrese. What's age the best? The score is awesome. And we don't, they don't, it doesn't kick in until he goes in that first drive. They wait 50 minutes. So, uh, we mentioned it.

I love when Jake, tends to be a porn producer. To me, that's a whole separate movie that just could have kept going. What do you have for what stage is the best? Because I have a bunch. Well, one of the things that's hilarious is that, like,

if somebody told me that my daughter was in a porno movie called Slave of Love, I just wouldn't need to see it. I'd be like, I got it. Good. Sounds bad. And it's rated X? Yeah.

The idea of, you know, of Jake has this avenging angel. There's this sticker. I hadn't noticed this before, but it's such a great little, like, detail. Is on masks, fridge in his apartment, there's a sticker that said, Jesus is coming and he's mad as hell,

which is just the movie. And I thought that was just like, Schrader's just got 3D vision, man. That's really good. Sean's beaming right now. You love Schrader. He's, yeah. He's like the super angry, sad guy

who actually is creative. Most angry, sad guys are, you're like scared of them or you never hear from them, and he actually makes great shit. Also, what's age the best is the poster? Poster's great. I also love just Ed Begley, Jr., getting a shot up really early in his career.

That's aged so well. Him in that part as that guy is so funny. I had three 70s things that's age the best for me. 70s Hollywood Hotel Apartments, which we mentioned. I loved Andy Mass apartment. It was great. Could have spent three more minutes in there just looking around. Middle America, 70s, kitchens, living room and wallpaper when we're in Grand Rapids,

and they go to like his sister-in-laws, and it's just the single ugliest wallpaper you've ever seen your life, but that was everybody's house. And then I gotta be honest, I've said this before, it's a little creepy, but the late 1970s for kidnapping and runaway stuff

from movie premises was just fertile ground. The shot of the- people just disappeared in the late 70s. The shot of the missing court board, like of all the missing kids, and it's just like, let's hope, like, let's hope she just ran away. That would be the best case scenario here.

Super effective. I mean, there are other versions of this. I got switched on to a movie last year called Trackdown, which was like a really kind of sleazy version of a movie like this that I think came out in the same year. It's a sleazy version of hardcore. But this was like, yeah.

Look this up. Throw this to the queue. Sounds great. Looks like me and Tooby have a date tonight. It might honestly be on Tooby right now. So it's, of course it's on. It's James Mitcham, Robert Mitchum's son. Oh, my God.

And a young Ann Archer. in in 1976. I'd never seen this movie before. Eric Estrada's in it. And it's often paired with hardcore because they're very, very similar. A Montana Rancher comes to LA searching for his runaway sister

has become entangler in a world of crime, drugs, and prostitution. I've been not seen this movie. The poster says, what if it was your sister? Huh. Wow. And this predates hardcore.

Trader got a little grabsie? I don't know. But it speaks to your point, though, which is that this idea of your Midwestern young woman going to a big city and getting ensnared in sexual slavery. Welcome to the jungle, man.

Exactly, exactly. Well, this was a bunch of after-school specials back then, too. And I remember there was, I think I've talked about this before, there was a hitchhiker movie that was on in the late 70s about these female hitchhackers just getting taken. And the commercial was so effective,

it made me, like, scared to hitchhike. There's a lot of, like, fear stuff in the 70s of, like, drugs and... If you get taken on everybody, be seen again. If you move to LA and you leave your parents, you're going to get involved in porn and drugs. It was just

and that was a lot of the content that was coming out. But... Then find my iPhone solved all that. Well, but it goes back to my basic point for what stage is the best, like, kidnapping and

runaways, it was never more prevalent than it was during this run, right before hitchhiking became don't do this anymore. And then also, we never had a worst infrastructure for finding people. We had no internet, no computers.

It was basically word of mouth. And a generation of parents who were like, yeah, get on the bus and go to Bellflower, California. Talk to you in two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. It was tough, though, in like 1820 to find people who went west. You know, like that, that was a little challenging.

Good point. But in the second half of the 20th century, absolutely. Great point, yeah. Great point. What stage is the best? Where's Jim? Where's Jism Jim? He moved to Oklahoma in 1825. We'll never see him again.

Either in cholera or he's land barren. Here's what's age of best. Schrader was working on this at the exact same time he was finishing up taxi driver. What kind of mental state are you in? Oh, my God. Going from one move to the other. He's talked about it. Sleep all day and then just get incredibly high

and switch between uppers and downers for 12 hours from midnight till noon. That was how he would write. And then he would go to bed, and then he would wake up the next day and have to look at what he's written and be like, hmm, does this all make sense? Some of it does. Let's keep what works. I was like having maybe three Marlboro lights finishing a column feeling like I was like fucking right in the edge of danger. Yeah, you're fucking Hemingway. Oh my God, I'm having a Marlboro light at 1.15 a.m.

Yeah, he had a loaded revolver and eight lines of coke. Just as that anti-massing near the end when he goes, you know you can buy any. anything on this earth. You can bet you out of us have people raped, killed. One of those people is Rattan. That's how he explains who Rattan is. It's like, whoof, okay. But that's another theme of this movie is that people will pay for anything.

Yeah. And that's what eight millimeter steals that more than anything, a movie that we both love. So apparently, Schrader did a lot of research in the world of adult entertainment to write this movie. Of course he did. Got to know a lot of people who work on this stuff. Yeah. And then all those people. were incredibly mad at him after he made the movie

because he insinuated that Britann type figures and snuff films were very closely correlated to adult entertainment, which by 1979, you know, this is when... No, that was a huge... You know, X-rated movies are big hits. Yeah. It was more like a part of the entertainment industry.

And so I think that those people kind of hate this movie because it was a misrepresentation. The church hated it and the adult film industry hated it, which is... Two for two. Yeah. Great side. again.

This is just the what's age the best for Schrader talking about George C. Scott who he said wasn't in a great place. George at this time

was not a terribly happy man. This is eight years after the Time magazine piece that's like five thousand words about this guy's

fucking on the edge. So I don't know how he became unhappier after that. Did he ever level out like an Exorcist 3 is he like in a happier place?

It seems like he's better so this movie is the, I think, the second to last movie he makes where he is the lead of the movie. And then almost everything he does into the 80s and 90s, he's really more of just a supporting character. When you see him in like Angus,

like the 90s movie, Angus, or Malice where he's playing. It seems like he's maybe cooled down a little bit, but I think the world was really on his shoulders. He's also in the Brimley zone where he looks 68 for like 35 years. From 39 on. So you can't ever tell like when things are happening from. Yeah.

What do you have for Great Chat Gordo, Chris? Oh, this is so easy. It's Jake standing in front of the billboard that says, for those who think pink, it's the hustler billboard. And it's just that introduction of this guy's life in Grand Rapids was all gray and brown and muted. And now he's in Los Angeles and his life has gone technical color because he's being introduced to all this stuff. And also just a great billboard. It's a great call. Good call.

The Big Kahuna Burger Award, we don't always give up for best use of food and drink. I was really impressed by those big heavy Calvinist dinners. Oh, yeah. In Grand Rapids. That big turkey on the table. Just big, a lot of like stuffing and vegetables and just there's cake and just like just big portions all over the place. So we're all east coasters. Yeah.

We never really got to experience that Midwest just like just pile it on. Yeah, yeah. I feel like I missed out. If you order in Chicago or the Midwest the way we order here where it's like I'll try a little bit of everything. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like it's like when they bring you the first. in Chicago, you're like, I've just ordered

a pure heart attack. Yeah. Butch's girlfriend Award Weekly in the film we talked about at the ending. Yeah. I agree. What's age the worst? I got one. What do you got? Shaperones. No accountability.

Hey, we lost your daughter. So you may want to do something about that. We're at a festival and, uh, I don't know. She was talking with some guy and she's gone. She went up to the great white knuckler. And we couldn't find her after. that.

His reaction on getting that phone call is also, like, if I got that phone call, I would probably just burst into tears, you know, like my daughter's gone in Los Angeles. I don't even need to know the circumstances. And he's just like, I see. Thank you very much. And he's, what happened, Jake? He's like, Kristen's missing. It's very calm.

What? It's pretty strange. But again, like, I went on several school sanctioned trips that were like, the assistant gym teacher was like a charge of 12. souls. Right. And it's just like, you guys,

we were like camping at Valley Forge. Like, lots of stuff could happen. Yeah. I have one related to the ending, too, of What's Age the Worst? What do you got? The casting of Ila Davis as Kristen.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where she's just really, you know, she's been cast for a reason. Okay, I don't want to step on it then. What's age the worst? First extended scene.

There's a creepy vibe with Jake and the daughter. That's what you were saying. Well, that there's one specific thing where she's dressed up. and he's kind of looking at it. It's like, what's going on here?

Yeah. And I don't know whether that's what Schrader was going for or not. I think given what we know about him, he was not putting too fine a point on it. You know, like, I think that there's, like, a little bit of, like, this guy's wife has left him.

His daughter is turned into a woman. And he's, I don't think he's, like, sexually abusing or anything or creepy, although you could make a read of it like that. I think a lot of stuff's on the table. Yeah, a lot of stuff is on the table, much like a Midwestern feast, you know?

Yeah, and I think his reprimers. repression and the fact that he has no sexual life whatsoever is feeding into some of this stuff too. Tinder was not big in Grand Rapids in 78. I researched this. It wasn't?

It was not. They didn't have riot either. It's a tough beat. So, what do you think Jake Van Doren's profile would be like? Like likes Dutch Reformation Fertiture.

The color blue needs to be more. Furniture. So far. You know, no overpowering blues for dislikes. Celery. Yeah. That's all I got for...

What's age is the worst? What's the age of the worst? What's the most of the more? What do you got? Do you think that being the person who took alt-weekly personal ads in person was the worst job of all time? Do you think that's how they did it? I don't know, but guys coming in and being like,

I would love to give oral sex to women. Yeah. And write me here. You're just like, okay. I'm tongue lashed to me? Yeah. Is that a P-O-Box or is that your address? Again, clearly written for comic effect

that entire sequence. But just imagining that gig must suck. Oh, I had one. So this is also a casting-with-if, but it's also a Woodstage the Worst just because it's a Wood-Sage-the-Worse for Warren Beatty. He was supposed to be in it. This is a massive conversation topic.

He ended up leaving pre-production. And the reason he left was he wanted Schrader to change the movie, so the character was searching for his missing girlfriend rather than the daughter because Bady felt he was too young. to portray a father of a teenager, and Schrader said he wouldn't take me as director, no good, I held out.

I turned down a very large sum of money. I went after Jersey Scott. I got him. Warren Beatty trying to change this into a girlfriend is the dumbest. I mean, there's some weird Warren Beatty stories in Hollywood history. This is way up there.

Like, that's just a completely different movie. Warren Beatty made Heaven Can Wait. Right. And George C. Scott's in hardcore, and Paul Schrader became a big filmmaker. Also, he's wrong. Warren Beatty was 40 at this time.

Like, of course he could have had a 16-year-old daughter. He just didn't want to blow up his image as a heartthrob who was, you know. I didn't like that. I would take, I much, I love Warren Beatty, and I wish we did more Warren Baby movies on this show. I think he's such an interesting person, but he's all wrong for this. Like, what they did was perfect. Another wrinkle to that story, too, is that, like, one of the reasons he gave, apparently, was that he was also working on his Howard Hughes movie, which he didn't make until 2000.

Rules don't apply, 2016. Yeah. Hmm. Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting award. They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me, lady. I come in here. I give these things to you.

Give it all you got. Give it all you got. I treated you like a son. You fucking stand me in the heart. Fuck you. It's turned it off overacting because I feel like it's actually really good acting. But I think he's going for it. It's his one volcanic moment, really.

I have for this all of the people whole audition. Like Jiz and Jim, all those guys. They're just terrible actors, but I think Schrader was enjoying how bad actors they were. That's supposed to be good actors. I would put all those. But the guy who's like, do you want to see my stuff? Like, that guy is really...

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All right, was there a better title for this movie? I'm going to say no. And one of the things I like about hardcore is it's the old double meaning title. Hardcore, world of hardcore, but also hardcore. He's getting into this hardcore. Yeah. It's a good one. Hardcore.

I love that. I do think that we, I would like to have seen hardcore to Big Dick Black's Revenge. That would have been a good film. Just some gym and Big Dick Black on a road. They team up. Yeah. It's a buddy comedy. Smokey and the Bandit.

This movie was originally called the Pilgrim when they were filming in Grand Rapids. I think that's a good title. That's a good title. I agree. And that's why obviously would Mast calls him throughout the movie Pilgrim. Would you have gone Pilgrim? I think hardcore is, while hard to Google, incredible, like, just, you know what you're getting. Because the trailer for this, there's a TV trailer, and then there's a movie trailer,

and hardcore just works better as we're going through. And then the guy's like, hardcore. coming to a theater near you. Just works better than Pilgrim. You should get that guy to do the Bill Simmons intro now. I'm going to have him do Simmons on Simmons. The audiobook? Yeah, the audiobook.

Simmons on Simmons. Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. The Can You Digget Award for Most Memorable Quote is obviously turn it off. All right, it's time. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest Take Award. What do you got, CR? I just think Jake Van Doren left a lot on the table as a porn producer.

He immediately takes to the world for a guy who's spent his whole life in Michigan, making furniture and denying himself earthly pleasure. He goes Canadian tuxedo. He's got away with actors, you know, and I think he's got a lot of liquidity to fund some interesting work. And I think porn is worse for it. I was thinking they could have had him film at least one. one scene of like the movie starting because he thinks he has a chance like that we could have had him

actually running a set. It's a whole separate movie, but I would have loved it. I think it would have worked. It's very different from my hottest take though, which is I think Calvinism gets a bad rap. I feel like it's good. They got a lot of interesting ideas. You're a Calvinist though. I feel like, you know, just like repressing all of your feelings, thinking about how you are bad and, you know, the world made you bad and you need to be redeemed is something I really relate to. Jet fan. Yeah, yeah. I think I think they're on to something. the Dutch Reformation. Jets fans are Calvinist.

My, my hat is take. So 8 millimeter clearly ripped off this movie. Yep. I'm okay with it. I mean, I'm okay with after 20 years.

New hardcore 8mmeter. Yeah. You want to know, you want the next, so 79 and then what was, that was 99. Yeah. We're due for the internet.

We missed, we missed 2019. The internet, I have to find my, my daughter. And no, gender swap it. Mom looking for son.

Yeah, I don't care. Wow. It's very progressive. I know I've changed my opinion on this a lot where it's like you can't touch this, it's an untouchable. In this case,

I do think it's touchable because this movie is so rooted in the late 70s that you can redo it and modernize it, which is what 8mm basically did. We actually do have it. It actually did happen

because this is what searching is. Searching is the movie where the kid disappeared, John Cho, and it's all on the computer. And that's actually a pretty well-done movie. and that is kind of what this is. It just doesn't have this sense of adventure

that these films have. It's not funny. Yeah, it's not. It's not. And, it's not. And, it is, and there was kind of like a spiritual sequel to it a couple of years ago where it was about a young, like a young girl trying to find her mom who disappeared too. I saw that one too.

Did the mom do porn or was it? No. No. It was like, it's complicated. What happened to her. Casting what ifs, mentioned Beatie, Beatie. Beatty. Can't speak.

I know. Yeah. Shrader originally cast Diana Scarwood Yeah, from Inside Moves. Inside Moves, a movie Sierra still hasn't seen. When we're doing Inside Moves? Because Sierra hasn't seen it. You're staring me down.

I'm going to watch it on the point. You promised me you would see it. I will. This has been a recurring theme. Good film. Richard Donner. I gave you like four soccer podcasts in the ringer. You want to see Inside Moves.

Great point. What the fuck? I totally agree. the studio said she wasn't attractive enough, which is weird. So, Ewa Davis, first-time actress, cast as Kristen, Schrader felt she was not conventionally beautiful

sort of person who could be lured by flattery. I just disagree. She's a bad actress. It's kind of not her fault. That scene, especially at the end, gets written in. I think she's fine in the beginning of the movie. I think that that's all she has to do.

And then at the end, they tack on this, like, her being like, I never wanted, you know, I ran away from you stuff. And it's like, oh, okay. It's also a scene that should be eight minutes long, and it's one minute long. Yeah. And the whole movie has been about this quest to find her. You're ready to go?

She's like, yeah, let's go. Yeah. I said my piece. Schrader insinuated that she was cast because she was comfortable basically doing the porn, like the scene where she shot the stag film. You know, that was part of why she was there. Would you put Melanie, so recasting couch quickly, would you put Melanie Griffith

than that part? She'd be really young at this time, but not as young as she is in night moves, which is like three years earlier. And she's doing also stuff in that movie. But she's like 15 in that movie. Yeah. I think she's old enough to be in this one.

Yeah. I think it's somebody like that who at least you feel like she could pull up the scene. But again, they he didn't know he was going to have the scene. But the one thing that this girl has that Melanie Griffith doesn't have is that this girl seems innocent

in the beginning of the movie. Melanie Griffith, she's like sun-kissed and, you know, so beautiful. and she just seems like... She's savvy. She's wise, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't Marilyn Chambers cast in this film briefly or talked about?

She was going to be the porn actress. She was going to be Nikki. Yeah, interesting. And she had just been in a Cronenberg movie at this point. Had she? Is it Shivers? I think she was in Shivers like a year earlier. So she could have...

I mean, she was actually not a bad actress, Marilyn Chambers. Season Hubly, though, I really like. I'm just going to have Jack cut that out when you're like, she's actually not a bad actress that Marilyn Chambers. Just put that on the radar. She's an exceptional performer. She has a lot of talent. A lot of her work. Best that guy.

Ed Begley. It's got to be Tracy Walter. He's Ed Begley. Who do you have? Tracy Walter, the bookstore guy? I have a better one. Okay. Well, Howe Williams is Big Dick Black, who's, I think is

Hal Williams. I don't think he's... He has a great career. I don't know if people know his name, though. He's very recognizable. now that i mean this is one of my favorite ones we've had in a while reb that red brown is the bouncer yeah yeah who was also um in one of my favorite movies ever the most politically incorrect sports movie ever made fast break he played bull um i just want to read you red brown his i mdb from the late 70s on i have this queued up basically from

Let's go to 75. Two episodes of $6 million, man. Rockford Files. Chico and the Man. Hardy Boys. Chips.

Happy Days. Fantasy Island. Ted Knight Show. Hardcore and fast break. Back to back. Three's company. Alice, Facts of Life, love boat.

Goldie in the Boxer go to Hollywood with O.J. Simpson. Busom buddies. Quincy. I bet that. fucking run. He, like, literally did he write a memoir?

Because he should. Red Brown. He's not in Vegas somehow. He's also in this movie, I think, because he was in Big Wednesday in 78, which John Millius directed. And Millius was Schrader's guru and EP on this movie. Red Brown. What a legend.

So who did you have Tracy? Is Dick Sergeant? Dick Sergeant? Yeah, he's Dick Sargent. Because he was in a big sitcom. Yeah. Okay. He was.

He was the second Darren. I mean, he wasn't Dick. He was also one of the first actors to come out as gay when that was happening. I feel like he was pretty famous. Apparently that was after this, right? Yeah. It was like in the 80s. Dionne Waiter's a word.

Jim Jism is in here. I got Leonard Gaines as Ramada. Bill Ramada or George Harper, the fastest tongue in the West. Short, comes in hot. Incredible. Bill Ramada is our winner. George Harper, shout up. What's happening with Larry Block, the detective with the red eye?

Oh, who had like the thing in a set? Yeah, he had like a massive head injury. Yeah. But still held the part? Yeah. Really, that was kind of strange. He was like, hey, I don't know if I, you know, if you don't want to film me. Yeah, I just got on.

Yeah, he probably did. He probably hit him with a pool tree. Yeah, yeah. Tony Romer or Chris Collinsworth, the director's commentary. Oh. Oh, Mike. That's his daughter out there. You hate to see that.

Can you imagine like the sad injury jazz playing as he watches? I feel like it's so much better with Romo though. Yeah, Romo. There's a second slong coming in, Jim. Oh my God, Jim. He's coming up right behind her. He's going to play the band. It's making it's bid for the mainstream, Jim.

It's going to play the movie, Chip. Paying his pleasure, Jim. Andy's playing it, Jim. Half-ass internet research, Jim. What an empire you've built here, I got to say. It's amazing. Appreciate it. John Milius was a producer, and...

later said it was a wonderful script that turned out to be a lousy movie. I blame Paul's direction for that. People are just taking shots at Paul's direction. Paul's direction's good. I really miss this era of just people just shooting their shots and quotes and newspapers and magazines.

Schrader said the shoot in Grand Rapids was unpleasant. Locals weren't happy. Can you imagine like the knights at the like the cracker barrel when they're like, wow, so you guys are making a movie here. What's it about? It's like, wow, it's about a guy.

It's a father. It's about a dad and daughter. He's going through some things. Schrader came up with this idea because he heard about a local teenage girl in Grand Rapids who went missing and then was eventually found to have made a porn movie. And his wheels got turning probably after eight lines of cocaine. Everything was filmed in actual sex shops, strip clubs, porno theaters, massage parlors. That was apparently very difficult to negotiate. Season Hubley said,

Her porn scene, they were real adult stars. So there's a theory. Need Sean's take on this, that this season hubby character, Nicky, was actually older Jody Foster and taxi driver. Yeah, I've seen that. You down with this? In the Schraderverse, right?

I mean, they have the same energy as women. It's almost like he has a type or something. You know what I mean? Like he knows how to write that person. He knows that person so well. I buy it. Just that world weariness, that casual, comfort with sex, sense of humor.

She's, like, bright the same way that Jody Foster is kind of like, you know, taxi driver's really alive when she's on screen? The poster has, oh my God, that's my daughter. He never actually says that in the movie. They took some liberties. Apex Mountain. George C. Scott, I'm going to say, no. What is his Apex Mountain? I think it's got to be Patton, right?

Yeah, it's amazing in that movie. Schrader, no, but what is it? I mean, this and taxi driver and... I think this moment, probably America Jigla. Yeah. I think it's American. But I don't know. You don't think it's first reformed?

I could be first reformed. Because that was like one of the biggest comebacks for a filmmaker in years. And that movie holds up. That's probably my favorite. My first favorite and second favorite. When we did Jiglo, we decided it was, I think, his apis. It was Jigolo, yeah. Peter Boyle, it's not, but it's probably like within a couple years of when he had it.

He was just grabbing all the weird guy parts in the 70s. Yeah. Vincent Ski-evelli tried to make a run. He's just. spotted him away. Let's get the fuck out of here. He makes a big comeback and ghosts though.

Chevelli, he really tries to take the crown. Get up my train. I mean, isn't it every Lose Raymond though for him? For Boyle? And that's probably his most like... Yeah, you're probably right.

I mean, that's like one of the biggest TV shows the last 25 years. Season Hubby, definitely. Rending out of theater to ruin a dad's life, Apex Mout. Absolutely. Yeah. 70s fake movie porn.

No, Bogie Nights. Yeah. Yeah. Bellflower, California, it's either this or when they have youth soccer tournaments and it's super windy. And everyone's like, why the fuck are we here? Super windy? Yeah.

Okay. Where is Bellflower? It's in the middle of nowhere and it's super windy. And it's like, oh, cool, the 30 mile an hour wind is against us this half. You should listen to some of Chris's soccer pods. Maybe they have some solves for that. Yeah, keep it on the ground. What about explaining Calvinism to a hooker, Apex Mountain?

Absolutely. I would say actually Apex Mountain. for Tullet. For Calvinism. Yeah. Calvinism itself. This has got to be its pinnacle in the modern entertainment.

I had not heard of TULF before watching Hardcore. And now you have subscribed. Now it's what I apply to my own life. How about the seedy side of 70s San Diego captured in a movie or TV show? I'm going to say 100%. Yeah. We never saw the side of anything.

The T.J. Adjacent. Yeah. San Diego was always super happy as a location for Hollywood stuff. I love it there too. Isn't it just the best? Yeah. This movie kind of makes it like, it's a little darker.

All right. This is America's favorite category now. Cruise or Hanks? Cruz is leading 3-1. 100% cruise. So when we launched... Oh, I disagree. When we launch our channel...

Is that spoiler alert? Ringer movies? The Ringer Movies channel. You want to get into it? Well, we might. We might launch a Ringer Movies... You might your head. ...chews channel soon.

We will. We're going to do live. We're going to go over all three... 330 rewatchable's movies and just blink test cruiser Hanks and we're gonna just do it before we're done. That's the actual scoreboard. Yeah, the three of us we're just going Cruiser Hanks. Right up there. Starting with

episode one, boom. We'll have to decide. I love it. We'll see how many we can do. It might be a four-parter. Are there bonus points if Cruz takes a Hanks movie or Hanks takes a cruise movie? Like is there a... What if it's like Devil wears Prada? Cruiser Hanks. From Miranda Priestley?

No, it'd have to be the Stanley Tucci. Okay, well, roll out Adrian. No, is Adrian Grenier? Yeah, Adrian Grenier. Who's better in Devil Worst Prada as the Stanley Tucci character? It's probably Cruz. It's definitely Cruz. It's Chris, yeah.

We're stepping on this spot. I think Cruz might win most of these. Of course, win, Bill. But I think in this case, I think it's Hanks. I think Hanks as the father would be the better part. Because imagine Hanks having his morality destroyed. He never made his eyes wide shut, man. That's true.

is in this place. That's true. What do you think? I wanted to talk it out because my instinct was better movie for Hanks. I think it makes more sense for him. It's a kind of movie I always wanted him to make. But it's such funnier movie with Cruz.

With Cruz, Cruz being a porn producer for a half hour is like one of the funniest 30 minutes of my life. I personally think there's got to be a little bit of a layer to this is which guy would be more likely to do this movie and it's definitely a cruise. Cruz in the turn it off scene. Just ratcheting it up.

Cruise in the wig? It's a more fun cruise movie. It's a more fun cruise movie. It's like, It's my daughter. It becomes cocktail set in the 70s hardcore worlds. It just goes completely off the rails. Him fake laughing in the room with Bill Ramada would be incredible.

But I think it's a better movie with Hanks. So I would personally want the cruise movie, but it's a better movie with Hanks. It makes more sense. I think Hanks is more. as the furniture salesman in Grand Rapids. But I thought he would want to be like the guy in Grand Rapids who's like, hey, Bill, hey, Bob, how's it going, Jim?

You know, and instead it's got to be like, I'm just here looking at my paperwork and then I'm going to go home and eat cake. Right, right. All right, Cruz loses this one. So now it's Hank's three to two. I'm honest. Wait, how did we arrive at that? I thought you and I were both like it's Cruz.

Oh, you think it's. No, I think it's tanks. Cruz is the more fun, but if we're just trying to make, I think the rule should be best movie possible, not what we would want. Because Cruz is going to be the answer

for almost every movie if it's just Cruz. Because if we want unintentional comedy, Cruz is usually going to win. There's not a lot of unintentional comedy with Tom Hanks. I promise I will always be honest about this. And if Hanks wins, he wins, but it will never change my opinion

that I would rather have Cruz in my movies. This movie with Cruz is one of the funniest movies ever made. I'm really... Cruise auditioning Jizim Jim and Big Dick Black. I really need him to get back in stuff like this. Oh, no, I'm a huge fan of your work. Oh, yeah, I know you, Jim Jism.

Picking... Oh, one more category. Racehorse, rock band, wrestling, or wrestler of fantasy team name. Jim Jism. Works all the way across the board. Isn't it Jism Jim? Yeah, Jism Jim.

Are you sure? Jim, Jism, Sloan. It's Jism Jim. That's why you're busting Billy and you're coming Chris. I think he says it's Jim Jism because I had this down later. I'm going to call it up right here. Yeah. And Crank and Craig isn't here, unfortunately.

But, you know. I had this. Oh, Jism Jim. You're right. Jism Jim. Yeah. God, how did I screw that up? Jism Jim dance.

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I just want to mention because it's a nitpick. It's also an answerable question is, was masked conning Van Dorn just to keep the money coming in and just like slow rolling it? Or was he actually a really good detective? I think it was both. Because he has the headshot of every porn actor

in California seemingly in his... Well, I think the insinuation is that he clearly is a good private detective. He found this fucking movie, which is an amazing act of work. But he also is clearly... Now he's milking it. Yeah, and now he's milking it.

But also he... We watch him in real time get drawn into the world of porn when he sits down to watch the sex scene, and then you see that he's caught up in it now, and he lives in that world. Needed like two more scenes with him. This is my biggest nitpick.

It really bugs me. Why did Jake and Nikki, why didn't they just drive from Los Angeles to San Diego? Well, is this around the gas shortage? Is that what it was? Well, you think it was OPEC? I think it was Jimmy Carter. Yeah.

I mean, that's an hour, 45-minute drive. Yeah. They aren't in airport, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. Super weird. Don't they do San Diego to San Francisco? No, they go L.A. to San Diego.

Then they go San Diego to San Francisco. Yes, exactly. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. It's weird. At the end, could Peter Boyle's character where they've just shot a guy in the street in a crowded place? I think this is the era of, like, you did us a favor.

You know, like when that, like, the cops don't care. We do a favor. It takes out some mom in her car. I love how that scene works, too, where he pulls the gun from his ankle holster, but drops it on the ground and still picks it up and fires. Do you think there's a lot of moms hanging outside of Retan and Tides.

Maybe the mom's in a bad example. Could have been a mom coming home from work after a double shift. Just taking a bullet from Andy. Do you think Retan is misunderstood? We don't really get a lot of time with him. What do you think it was his trauma, his backstory? Why is he stabbing people on camera? Yeah, the other picket is, you know, because 8mm did this too.

Was it a fake snuff film or was it an actual snuffer? I don't think it was a snuffer. I don't think, because Kristen is obviously still working. No, but she wasn't, when they showed the snuff film. Oh. That's not her in the snuff film.

And then she gets her throat slits. But do you think that people were being killed in that scene? That's movie magic, man. Because they kind of cut away. I was surprised. Schrader didn't like linger on that one. Yeah. You think they got ILM in there for that one?

Any other nitpics? George, can you come in and just do one? wouldn't you? It's not a nitpick, but it's related, which is the reason why he won't give this up, which is the motivating force of the movie. I think many people would forget about not the porn producing, but just like staying on the West Coast

and continuing to pursue this, is it saying something about his obsession with her that goes beyond it just being his daughter? Or is it connected to his spirituality, and he's like, this is, I am in hell, which is where I deserve to be. Right. And I think it's more,

that and that he's just a broken dude. What's it going back to? Grand Rapids, he's got no family, and he's got the furniture. And the wife left because... It's got the guy from Bewitched. Well, to me, the insinuation there is that he's not like a sexually realized person, and maybe there is a kind of

impotence to the way that he lives his life, and she didn't want any part of that. And also that, obviously, she's given birth to someone that's probably like her, and that she's like, wants to experience the world in a real way, and he can't give it to her. So she goes back to the East Coast. Sounds like she's not from Grand Rapids.

You know what happened. The key party they had in Grand Rapids that night. The Ice Storm. Yeah. She just went off and Yeah. Retan's revenge.

Who was the guy who lasted for one second in the Ice Storm? Oh yeah. But sex with Joan Allen in the car? Two second, Bob? Yeah, maybe the key party just went badly. Sequel prequel prestige

TVL Blackcaster on Touchable. So they basically remade this as 8 millimeter, which I think is the answer. but there's another world where he just stays in LA and battles Bill Ramada and that's the sequel. I was going to say my would be the prequel of Ramada's move from running a dairy queen to moving into porn production.

And we call it Dairy King. Yep. It's milking the porn scene for all its worth. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Traos, Sam Jackson, J.T. Welsh, Byron Mayo, Harley Mays. Evil laughing, Ramon Raymond, or Philip Baker Hall.

it's got to be Byron Mayo God damn Jism Jim I didn't know I was working with Supercock You came back in the game With a chewed up pecker Like you're some kind of border You better help you find my wayward daughter

You're going away long fucking time people I can't overstate just how loud it is God damn Jisham Jim I just wanted to say I didn't know I was working with Supercog I wasn't even a very good way And it wasn't even

In Baltimore, I just had to get it out I can't look at you I agree though I feel like it's Byron It's definitely Byron Byron would be like Byron should be directing those films Yeah

Yeah Byron's like trying to Byron's trying to convince Jake to stay out there Jake, you got something special You got a great touch I got Joanne on one arm and Nikki on the other Got a good eye for talent Jake just one Oscar who gets it probably George C. Scott.

I mean, he's good in this movie. I see, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't nominated, but I think that was a pretty deep Oscar year. I don't know if he's getting a nomination for hardcore. Retan? Probably an answerable question.

Is this a better movie if he never finds her? I think we all think yes. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't like a big hit, so it's not like they made a move and it worked, you know, then $100 million later. You know, everybody got to live off of this movie. I mean, it is the searcher's ending. It is, he's been looking for her the whole time,

and it turns out she's exactly where she wants to be. I couldn't, did you find, what did they make on this movie? I couldn't find it. I don't know what the box office was. Yeah, they didn't have it. Yeah, I mean, it was not a big hit. Another in answerable. He bling the studio specifically on changing that ending, though.

The producer of the movie from the studio is the one who made him change it. So, so you like Jism, Jim, Jim, Jism. Let's talk it out. Let's have the phone call. I really want to, uh, Because Jism Jim is the easy way to go, but Jim Jizm is really funny that that would be his last name. It's a family name. Mr. Jizm.

Yeah. It's Scott. It's Scott's driving. I think the Jisms came over on the Mayflower, actually. Yeah. That's my friend Jim Jizm. Poor guy. Net his little son, Jimmy Jism.

Yeah, Conrad Jism and, you know. I don't know. I like Jim Jizum more. Great on. Elliot jism and Steve jism. Best double feature choice. Epidheeser jism didn't work his hands to the phone. So that you could.

John Quincy Jism didn't write the Declaration of Independence so that you could make porn in Los Angeles. The jisms. Good cartoon idea. He uses more flexibility. Best double feature choice is clearly 8mm. I think it's got to be. You know how to taxi driver.

Yeah. I don't know if I want a second movie after taxi. you driver. I think you could do, I think cat people would be an interesting one if you're looking for a Shrader team up. Kinski. Yeah, yeah.

Kinski. Yeah. The Indian Reds of Watan Air Word for what happened the next day. She leaves within what, two weeks? I was wondering whether or not, like, he's like we can stay in L.A. if you want.

Like, we can just leave it all behind. So I can constantly see you coming home after a long night of shooting pornography? I don't know if he's supporting that part of her career. I think he brings her back and she disappears again. Does she stay? Is he just like in the celery hut for the rest of his life? No, I think he starts really...

Because it says Van Dorn's celery on the outside of the building. He probably calls Bill Ramada like a month later just to see what's up. Hey, Bill. Hey. Got anything in the slate that I'd be interested in? Does he do like a Grand Rapids kind of porn scene, bringing porn to the Midwest? How much do you think Bill Romato is worth?

If they clocked 5.4 million... I mean, he's like in the fucking diehard. He's a Nakatomi Tower there. He's legit. Those three, four years, when they were released in the porn movies in the theaters, they made crazy money. But I always thought the mafia took at least like half of everything, right? Yeah, that doesn't really explored here.

Yeah. That should have been Godfather three. Oh, porn? Wow. Michael Corleone. Yeah. Vincent Running. Yeah.

The virgining porn. Jim Gism. Yeah. International pornography. Michael Corleone creates vivid video. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? It's fine if the answer is nothing. Because the slave to love video would be the obvious. Oh, my God, but who would want that?

I would do the fake mustache and wig that he has. Oh, so you could dress up like a jersey shirt. Yeah, that's fine. What about that cutlass you referred to? Yeah. He always gets mad when I picked the car. Yeah. The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson.

Don't let your daughter go on a Calvinist trip to Bellflower, California with one chaperon who's like Uncle George. What's the Z-Wan-A-O for like the chaperone-nao for like the chaperote on that? Like the next trip. Like when the Calvinist youth group is like, so just some learnings we had from the last time.

We're going to skip the Knott's Berry Farm. I think you could make the case the life lesson is don't have a daughter, you know? This one hits a little different. Watch it when you've got a daughter. Not ideal. We didn't talk about a Knotsberry farm mentioned in this movie. now it's where people go to get lost

Yeah Who won the movie Shrader? I think it's George C. Scott. Really? Yeah. Make the case. Well, I think it is now even though he won an Oscar for Patton

and he's in Dr. Strange Love and he's an incredible part of the story of American movies in the 20th century. I think to young people this is like where they would know his face from because of the meme and like it has lived on

and the bit has, we've been joking about it on the show for five years. So, You know, he's excellent in the movie. It doesn't really work without someone with his power. I think it's George C. Scott. Can I say C.D.'s late 70s cities? Can that be the winner of the movie?

I mean, it can. Now I'm going to go, I'll go Schrader. Because I just think it's like he's uniquely like, this is like his world. I think it's Schrader too. But I like the George C. Scott thing. He just like has disavowed the ending of the movie and regrets it. And you can imagine that he would be like, this isn't one of my 10 best movies. Turn it off.

Turn it off. Yeah, it's just great acting. Will that be you tonight? Would you have given that the Rick Dalton, the greatest fucking acting? That's the greatest fucking acting, yeah. All right. All right, see, yeah.

That's it for Rock Bottom Month. Apologies to sex lies of videotape, American History X, and a couple other ones. All films that could show up at other times on the rewatchable's feed. Definitely. You've never done American History X.

I would just do it for the bad. basketball scene, there'd really be no other reason. Okay. What about Guy Torrey? 40 minutes. Nah, I just really want to break down the basketball scene. I think it's one of the most important scenes ever filmed. That would be actually a worthwhile thing to do on the YouTube page if you were to start one.

Like if hypothetically we're all going to do a YouTube channel? What if we did like a LeBron JJ video but about the basketball? I love it. With like one? With the decanter and yeah, yeah. No, but we'd have to do like for 15 minutes at the top like, you know, there's been a lot of bad discourse about sports. sports movie basketball scenes. Neo-Nazis deserve a voice in basketball too.

We're here to save it about basketball realism. That's it for Rock Bottom Month. Thanks, John. Thanks, Bill. Thanks, we're doing... Thanks, C.R. Thanks to Jack Sanders. Thanks to Craig Horace for producing.

And we will see you next week with a normal movie.