The Rewatchables - ‘In the Line of Fire’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan
Episode Date: October 24, 2023The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan have a rendezvous with death after rewatching the 1993 political thriller ‘In the Line of Fire,’ starring Clint Eastwood, John Malkovich, and Rene Russo.... Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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In the Line of Fire came out 30 years ago.
It's up next.
It was one of our nation's darkest moments.
And he was there.
The only activation who ever lost a president.
30 years later,
do you really have the guts to take a bullet threat?
The hell is this?
He's back.
This guy's going to make a try.
I've got to be there.
In the line of fire, I see you standing over the grave of another dead precedent.
Cliff Eastwood.
That's not going to happen.
In the line of fire, rated R.
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All right, Chris Ryan.
1993 movies.
It was a wonderful year to be a movie fan.
My God.
Just unbelievable.
I was living in Boston that year, as I've mentioned many times.
Just in a row, starting June 11th.
week by week we got Jurassic Park
last action hero
Sleep is in Seattle
the firm
rookie of the year
in the line of fire
free willy
another stakeout
you're a stakeout guy
I'm another steakout guy
I think both of them
poetic justice and cone heads
all the same weekend
Robin Hood men and tights
rising sun you're rising sun
I am a rising sun guy
So I married an axe murder
which you did last week
and then we go into August
and the fugitive was August 6th
and searching for Bobby Fisher, August 11th.
This is like when they made movies for adults.
That just were stories that had a beginning, middle, and end.
There was no sequel potential except for Jurassic Park.
But for the most part, movies are movies.
We appreciated them.
They had stars of them.
They had good directors and good writing.
And this is one of these movies.
This is like putting a Ferrari engine inside of a Camry,
where you're just like, you could make this movie like shit.
You could make this movie as a crappy bee movie.
you could make this movie as like a schlocky action flick.
But instead they go and they get Wolfgang Peterson
and John Bailey to shoot it.
John Bailey who shot Big Chill and a bunch of Lawrence cast and stuff.
They get Ennio Morricone to do the music.
And then they put Clint in it.
And when they're like, okay, who are we going to play against Clint?
Who are we going to have be the foil in this movie?
They follow this great 90s tradition
of like picking these really left field great actors
to play the villain.
And Malcovich, I think, has a shout
at being one of the best in this decade
at doing it between this and Conair.
Yeah, because we have Tommy Lee Jones.
We got Lithgow and Cliffhanger.
Tommy and Lee Jones and Under Siege.
Who else?
I mean, coppers and speeds.
This is the run.
It starts with Alan Rickman and Diehard, I think.
And Kathy Bates and Misery, you could say.
But Rickman especially.
Nicholson and Bobkins.
Hopkins, Ed Harris, and the Rock.
You're talking about the guys
who were like in Steppenwolf 10 years ago
and now they're like, I'm a U.S. soldier who's taking Alcatraz hostage.
Right.
I mean, the ideas are ridiculous, but the performances are so amazing.
And then, yeah, Malcovich comes in and he's just like the perfect guy to go up against Clint
because everything Clint isn't is what Malcovich is.
He's cerebral, he's neurotic, but he's also like a little bit twisted, a little bit
psychosexual, and Eastwood is just doing it.
A little bit twisted?
Yeah.
Mitch.
What would share about?
What was your first Malcovich movie?
Empire of the Sun.
Mine was the Killing Fields.
Yeah.
I thought he was unbelievable in the Killing Fields.
And I love the Killing Fields.
And for people, it'll be on the rewatchables, maybe for the 40th anniversary.
But that's one of my favorite 80s movies.
That's Roland Jaffe, right?
That's Sam Waterston, Cambodia.
It ends with the Beatles song.
Malcovich plays a photographer, and he's not in it that much, but his scenes are really impactful.
And you're like, who's that guy?
Yeah.
He's somebody.
Dangerously,
as Leisons was the one.
That's his breakout probably.
Yeah,
I saw that in college.
We went in a whole group
and we were like,
oh my God,
Malcovich.
Like,
is he going to win like two Oscars for that?
Like,
we had no idea.
But he was kind of up and down.
I think we had to do a class trip
to go see mice and men
at the theater,
which he's really good in.
But yeah,
like Leaisons,
Empire of the Sun,
he plays like a U.S.
POW in a prison of war camp.
Yeah.
And he's like running the U.S.
soldiers there and he's incredible in it.
And then,
For some reason, starting in the late 90s, he became what Malcovich became, which was like,
oh, he's going to play Teddy KGB and Rounders and just have an insane accent.
And then he's going to be in being John Malcovich.
And he just, it was a little Christopher Walkenie.
I was going to say that.
The character of Malcovich became part of the Malcovich experience.
I didn't feel that way when I saw in the line of fire.
I didn't have enough of a history with him yet.
No, I mean, but he's so unnerving in this movie because he seems like somebody you would see on a bus or was hanging out at a magazine stand.
He makes some good choices, too.
Like the scene when he finally yells at Clint.
Oh, my God.
And then they hang up and he does like this.
He starts like trying to crack his neck.
It's like, oh, you're a fucking lunatic.
Yeah.
You're like literally crazy.
But yeah, he's, he goes for it a few times.
Yeah.
And I think that was the whole point is that this is a movie that's not unlike the firm,
but it's not basically all my favorite thrillers or even if they have action set pieces,
the most thrilling scenes are just two people talking.
And this is basically.
I think they have four phone conversations
over the course of this movie
and I believe they shot them
continuously. Peterson basically staged them
as one big phone conversation that would take place
over the different parts of the movie, which is why
Malcovic is often dressed
the same in each of the conversations
no matter when they're happening.
It's the kind of thing they thought you could do
before they realized the internet was coming.
Yeah.
In podcasts like this. We were like, wait,
this were the same close.
Screenshotting which sweater he's wearing.
Yeah.
But, you know, this movie has, like, really good bones.
It's like, I'd be pretty interested in, like,
ooh, a Secret Service agent who lost Kennedy has to redeem himself
by stopping another assassination.
Fantastic.
I'm in.
But when you add this element of psychological depth and electricity from Malcovic,
it's just like, damn, this goes into another stratosphere.
We did the vanishing already on this podcast.
We did.
But that has the similar cat and mouse.
game where Bridges is telling
Kiefer.
Yeah, your obsession is my weapon.
It was this weird time of villains
also trying to
bond with the guy they're fucking with.
Yeah, McLean and Hans.
Yeah, which eventually led us to heat.
Clarice and Hannibal?
Yeah, he...
You think Michael Mann was taking notes?
He was just like, I see it.
I see the moves.
I think he was more like, this is what I was trying to do
in Manhunter, motherfuckers.
Now you guys are ripping this off.
I feel like he probably thinks he was first.
Miami Vice tried to do.
this in a bunch of different ways. But this whole, I need to solve the crime, but this is not
personal, it's business. And we're all human beings there. And you went this way and I went this
way. But there is some sort of common ground. Now, Clint doesn't want any of that. Clint's just like,
you're a fucking lunatic. I'm taking you down. But Malcolm is like, we're more alike than you
see him. We have the same kind of thing. He's trying to get this real relationship with Clint.
Clint's not buying it. I think that there's a couple of moments in this movie too where they,
their dialogue
unintentionally echoes each other.
Like,
Malcovich will be like,
I used to think this country
stood for something.
And earlier in the movie,
Clint's like...
Said the same thing.
Yeah.
It's basically...
So these are two guys
who think that the country
is either fallen from grace
and betrayed them
in the same step.
It is one of those movies
that I'm not sure
how many people
could have pulled off
the Malcovich part.
Yeah.
It's a role that could have gone
really badly in the wrong hands.
Yes.
Or it could have been like
a normal...
It's like Tom Hanks.
He's going against type
playing the bad.
guy in this.
But isn't that the whole
charm of Malcovich
as a performer?
It's like there's that
Matt Damon's story
about when he showed up on set
and first did Teddy KGB
and he was just fucking around
but he was like
doing the Russian accent
and he was just like
I want to give you the money
and everybody's just like
what?
He's just like I'm screwing around
but like there's a world
in which Mitch is not
like he's so over
that he's too over the top
with Mitch or he underplays it
too much.
But I think that the dialogue
winds up doing
a lot of work for him because like
the scenes between the two of them
on the phone like if the dialogue's
not crackling in those scenes are just kind of like
like, all right, not that dangerous. He's on the
phone. But it feels like when
he's screaming at Frank, it feels like
he might as well be right next to him.
Yeah, I agree. He's like walking
for me in that
not just the character became part
of the mythology of him, but
there's a presence to him that he's
not a big dude. You know,
he's this kind of bald and weird looking dude
who's a very distinct face.
He uses silence in a really interesting way.
He seems menacing.
He even did this in dangerous liaisons.
Like, there's a power personality that he pulls off
that I can't really describe.
And he even does it in rounders.
Yeah, he's seductive.
He's eating the Oreos and he's staring at.
It feels like there's always like a little bit
of a flirting thing going on with whoever he's with.
It could be a man, could be a woman.
He's always like connecting with them.
Yeah, the Oreo thing.
Like you said, the neck cracking.
There's obviously a scene in this movie that has like an incredible amount of sexual tension in it with Clint Eastwood that came as a surprise to Eastwood.
I think that another thing that's cool about him is beyond the way he behaves is just the way he looks.
Like I was seeing a lot of people talking about Killers of the Flower Moon this weekend.
Yeah.
And they were pointing out how like Scorsese got all these guys with great faces to be in the movie.
Like there's all these like very like unique, real feeling faces.
Like some jaws and some expressive eyes.
Yeah, but when you watch like a Marvel movie,
like everybody in this could be a model, basically.
So he gets nominated for this, Malkovich.
He does.
And I'm trying to find.
Actually, I got it right here, Bill.
And it might be one of the best groups in Oscar history.
Well, there was also other performances that we've talked about that didn't get on there.
So the supporting actor this year, Tommy Lee Jones wins for the fugitive.
Malcovich is nominated.
Pete Posselway is nominated for the name of the father.
He's incredible in that.
DiCaprio for Gilbert Grape and Ray Fines for Schindler's.
Wow.
Wasn't there another one?
We just did...
There was another performance where we were outraged
that it didn't get nominated.
Well, I mean, Hackman's not nominated for the firm.
There's a bunch of things from 93 that...
What was the one Hackman picked Unforgiven
instead of the other movie that he was up for?
And then that one.
I can't remember.
Yeah, we've just,
I feel like we've circled
this Oscars over and over again.
But yeah,
Malkovich gets nominated.
The,
uh,
I mean,
there's so many things to talk about this movie,
but the JFK,
which at this point,
especially after Seinfeld
and the Oliver Stone movie,
the JFK assassination was kind of peaking.
Yeah,
and then this is really like attack
back towards like the conservative view of it.
It's like the,
yeah,
because like this movie basically is like,
all of the stuff that people say
armchair experts with their like diagrams of bullets
is all bullshit. It was just like
this guy shot from the book depository and I could have stopped
him. Yeah. Well and it was conceivable
that this guy could still make a comeback as a Secret Service agent
because the assassination wasn't that long before.
If they make this movie in 2013, it's like all right.
No, this is 100 years old.
It was inspired by Clint Hill
who was the guy that broke down in the same.
60 Minutes interview five years after the assassination and said he felt responsible and could
have moved faster and stuff like that. There was that other theory with the assassination where
one of the other Secret Service guys actually was the one that accidentally shot Kennedy because he
grabbed his gun. That's a Bill James theory that I was enjoyed. Yeah. There's a,
there's a good pothole theory. Have you seen the pothole theory? No. That there was a not a pothole,
a sewer, like one of those sewer holes. Uh-huh. That there was just the
enough room to fit like a shooter in the sewer hole.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Where was the pothole supposed to be?
It's sewer.
But is it where we were?
It's kind of below the grassy.
Bill and I went to the Dallas Book Depository.
That's why we're right.
Yeah.
I mean, we'll never run out of theories.
We'll also never know what happened because if Trump wasn't going to tell us,
no president's ever going to tell us.
Clint's last room.
That would be kind of awesome if the next president was like super normy.
Like it was like Buttigieg.
And he was just like, I guess what?
who killed Kennedy.
Well,
it could be part of the platform.
This is my number one thing
I'm working on.
I'm going to tell you
who killed JFK.
So Clint's last run here,
Clint hits his 60s.
He does Unforgiven,
which we've already done,
in the line of fire,
perfect world,
Madison County,
and absolute power
from 92 to 97.
Yeah, and he directs
bridges of Madison County.
And that's...
Or no,
and he directs Garden of Good and Evil
at some point.
Yeah, and then he becomes
older,
moves into the million-dollar baby
Korean Torino
stage of his career.
somehow still going. This is the last time it was believable that he could be running next to a limo
and foil and assassination. But they do use his age as a plot in the movie, which is something they
also did in an unforgiving. And I feel like this was a theme that Clint was really interested in.
I am becoming an older movie star. What does this mean for the roles that I played for 20 years
here where I'm always like, I'm either the avenging cop or I'm the cowboy getting revenge or
whoever I am. My age was never in it. But now my age is the thing. I'm in my 60s. Yeah,
there are movies with equal measures of ass kicking and regret. So like he can still move.
He still has some lateral quickness. But he's a little out of shape. He's got guilt.
He's got, he's thinking twice about some of the stuff. I think very late 50s and early 60s is when
these movie stars tend to make the reckoning with their careers.
Because it's like the color of money era for Paul Newman where it's like,
okay, now I can start looking back.
But I'm still pretty cool and you could still plausibly believe that I would land a lady at a bar, you know?
The only one who won't do this is Cruz.
No, because Cruz is like, I'm 42.
Don't Google this.
Look at me.
My hair's dark as hell.
Everyone else.
Yeah, Newman's a good example.
I like when actors hit this stage.
I mean, the best one ever was Tommy Lee Jones.
in No Country for Old Men.
Yes.
Because that's basically...
And when I saw that...
We talked about when we did the podcast with Hater,
but when I saw that movie the first time,
I was like, man, what the fuck was up with that last 20 minutes?
Right.
Now I'm almost 20 years old.
I'm like, wow, that movie's one of the best movies ever made.
Yeah, and the end of that movie is basically talking about
those kinds of movies and the violence that fuels those kinds of movies.
Yeah.
Yeah. Craig, you'll understand that movie like 20 years from now.
Craig's like, why is it Jonah Hill and more stuff?
Come on.
But yeah, he...
I mean, his career is so interesting.
How long it lasted.
I don't even know who the athlete is.
It's like a combination of Jack Nicholas,
if Jack Nicholas had played until his, like, 60s
and still been contending for majors.
So it's almost like that,
because there was a couple of years in Green Bay,
and I think there were some injuries around there
where people were like, Rogers is probably done, right?
Like mid-30s, and he's like, yeah,
I think probably, I mean, I know he rattle off a bunch of
MVPs, but there was some, is Rogers done stuff?
And then there was like the Renaissance in Green Bay.
Yeah.
And now Rogers...
Clint had like four of those.
I think Rogers is in his Grand Torino era now.
Yeah.
You know, he's kind of making some comments that...
Yeah, that's a really good comparison for a lot of reasons.
So this is Clint, like, oh my God, Clint won back-to-back MVP's.
Holy shit.
Like, unforgiven in this?
This is great.
Yeah, he's just old enough that...
The Renee Russo thing.
2023.
It's a little bit of a reach.
It's not cool.
1993,
it was a reach,
but you were like,
you know what?
These guys,
they seem like
they have a lot of chemistry.
Well,
the big thing is we had
such a history with Clint.
It was,
you know,
30 years of watching him
get the girl.
So it seemed,
even though he's older,
it still seemed conceivable
that he could get Renee Russo.
I admittedly don't,
didn't really go to Clint Eastwood
movies for romance either.
But yeah,
this is actually like a pretty charming
It was always a hole
in the Clint
you know, the Jeremiah Johnson was probably
not Jeremy Johnson, what was the Western
Well, High Plains Drifter.
What was the one where he loses
somebody who loves?
All of them.
Well, I'm trying to think like the definitive one.
Josie Wales.
Yeah, Josie Wells.
Yeah.
Pale Rider, yeah.
Oh yeah, Pale Rider's a good one
because they wipe out his family.
What's the one where they wipe out his family?
I guess that's unforgiven.
Josie Wales, he's a soldier.
No, unforgiven they wipe out his family.
Yes.
I mean, he's made a freaking million.
movies.
But one of his
holes was he dated
Sandra Locke forever.
Yes.
And he would always put her
in his movies.
And let's just say
she probably needed
the work.
Right.
I don't think
she was the world's
strongest actress,
but she was in his movies
for 10 years there.
And they were always
good parts,
but it was always
Sandra Locke.
Yeah.
But, you know,
he was in,
when he did the
every which,
which way,
but loose,
like that combo,
and we've talked
about this before,
but it's him
in an orangutan and he's driving a truck
and he's just bare knuckle fighting people.
There was no plot at all.
There was no resolution.
It's fucking amazing of the movies
they used to make.
It was the best.
When they were making a sequel,
I remember me and my dad,
we were like, I can't believe
they made a sequel to this.
We love this movie.
So then he kind of aged
into where he is.
So it was conceivable with René Rousseau.
We got to talk about René Rousseau,
though.
I mean, she's a major league in 89,
but then rips off in the
90s. She goes lethal weapon three,
free jack, in the line of fire,
outbreak, get shorty, Tim Cupp, Ransom,
lethal weapon four, and
Thomas Crown Affair. She's
the love interest of Clint Eastwood,
Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner,
Pierce Brosnan,
John Travolta, Dustin Hoffman.
What a run.
She's great, man.
And she's married to Dan
Gilroy. She was a night crawler,
and she still shows up and stuff. Do you know her whole story?
So she was a fan.
model in the 70s.
Okay.
Like really hit big,
like was one of the biggest models in the world
and had it, you know, like a distinct face.
She was like unusual for models at that point
because they all had like a certain look.
But she had like a cool kind of something.
She always had like a old Hollywood vibe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it took off and she was like a major, major model
until she hit like, I don't know, 30.
And then in the early 80s started acting
and then did Major League.
But all of it happened for her super late.
I had no idea.
I was researching her because I was like, I wonder why her IMDB starts so late.
She's like, oh, she has this incredible modeling career before.
So, I mean, she's probably the most successful model-turned actress of all time.
I remember seeing her.
She's like Lauren Hutton, people like that, but not somebody who's in major movies like this.
I remember seeing her in major league and just be like, I'm madly in love with this person.
Totally.
So Tom Barringer felt the same way.
But she just is ripping off hits and great roles.
had a real place there for the 90s.
And I gotta say, I think she has
really good chemistry with Clint.
She does.
She does.
I totally believe it.
It seems like the best part about it is that
her skepticism about him is really believable.
Like she's just kind of like,
I get that this guy's charming,
but he's kind of a dinosaur.
He's a dinosaur chauvinist.
And then they have like one crazy night
that they don't actually consummate.
And then after the fact
we're supposed to imagine that they're together, obviously.
but like it's nice that they're not like she's not like oh my god this guy's so hot i can't wait
to get with frank horrigan yeah a bit his balls are so saggy oh god you're like two out of three
referencing the joints of guys in the last couple pods i have a lot of rene rousseau questions for this
movie okay she really i don't know like all right so when she hits a certain age who took over
those roles i feel like a lot of people tried but nobody really nailed it like
To me, this is, I was watching, I was on an airplane watching Fast 10.
It was flying back from Boston.
It was six hours.
The DirecTV was going in and out.
I'm like, all the movies.
I was texting even Sean about this last week.
Like, the airplane movie situation has never been worse.
Yeah.
And I was like, I'm not watching Fast 10.
I can't do it.
I love that franchise.
Fast 9 was, I couldn't stomach.
And I know Fast 10 is worse.
I'm just not going to do it.
And then I'm looking around for 20 minutes.
I'm like, fuck it.
I'm going to watch Fast 10.
I'm not even happy about it, but I'm just going to watch it.
It's my old friends.
Maybe it'll be okay.
It's abominable.
But Breed Larson's in it.
And she,
it's one of those performances where the cue cards are like right behind the actor she's acting with.
Like she can't learn lines.
I think it's because they're rewriting the movie as they're making it.
It's just she's,
we're like,
oh no,
you got to say this because we have like another car flying in from Mars.
Vindy's just,
he just crossed off your dialogue and added this.
Listen,
this is not.
not a shots at Brie Larson thing, but she's just, I really had hope for her as an actress.
And this has been five years of just her making choices like this. I'm thinking like,
why couldn't she have been Renee Rousseau for like seven years here and been in these awesome movies?
I mean, I think it's more of an indictment of the fact that they don't even make movies like
fucking Thomas Crown Affair anymore, where it's just like somebody could have a good time
making a real, like a realistic caper. Now it's like you either make a really small indie
movie or you make a Marvel movie or a fast movie and there's nothing in between.
that's the problem.
All the movies that we do from 1993,
most of the movies we do on rewatchables,
are all those movies right in the middle
that are like,
you know what,
this is like a really good genre movie,
and it's got a great movie star performances,
and it's like...
And it's well-written.
It's so durable.
It's like, did you find something new every time?
So what's Renee Russo doing now?
Is she in like freaking Fast 10?
No, she wasn't like,
what do you mean?
Like, what would Renee Russo literally be doing now?
Long shots on Netflix right now
is like the number two movie,
and I watched it again this weekend.
And I think I really like that movie now.
I do really like that movie.
I didn't love it the first time.
I told Craig.
I was interested for Craig's take because he loves Rogan.
He's like, oh, my generation doesn't acknowledge that movie.
Did one of those.
The way he said, he loves Rogan.
He loves Seth Rogan.
But that movie's really good.
Just really into the MMA updates.
Yeah, just for the MMA.
Some of the conspiracy stuff's out.
That movie's really good.
And she is unbelievable in it.
And it's just like the kind of part.
I'm like, why aren't there more parts like this?
Yeah.
She's like, but that movie bombed.
I know, the movie bombed.
And I don't really know why it bombed.
But I think it's really good.
I liked it.
Anyway, that was a Renee Russo part.
Yes.
Where it's like Secretary of State.
She's really adorable.
You just love her.
She's got her shit together.
But she's so busy.
She doesn't have time for anybody.
And it's actually realistic that she might fall in love with the schlub.
We should remake long shot for the geriatric set.
And we just do Clint as the Seth Rogen,
like an aging vlogger.
Clint finds Viagra.
Yeah.
God.
This movie is directed by Wolfgang Peterson.
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That's Clint Eastwood.
Unboxing a pair of first ones today.
Wolfgang Peterson directed.
He went commercial in the 90s, including the perfect storm
an Air Force One in this movie
but for the most part pretty interesting
IMDB it's all over the place
I mean he was directing in Germany
he's doing a lot of European films he
does never ending story and
Das Boot in the mid 80s
it's like ah this guy's here
and then he just rips off
a bunch of really solid thrillers
for the rest of the next 10 years
great name Wolfgang Peterson just solid name
where do you stand on Das Boot
I like Das Boot yeah
it's not my favorite submarine movie I think you know
what is and I don't know why you keep it from me.
Do you want to do Submarine Month?
Do you know that you know that Hunt for October is like my white whale?
That's the one I really want.
That's it for Subrain Month or just in general?
In general.
Are there enough movies for Subrain Month?
Well, we would have to re Crimson Tide, right?
We'd do Hunt for October, Doss Boot.
We'd only need one more.
Cruising 2.
Cruising 2 underwater.
Cruising 2.
All right.
So this movie, three Oscar nominations,
Supporting Actor.
Best Original Screenplay, Jeff McGuire.
Yeah, a script that had been banging around for a while,
which is kind of fun because then you can see all these
different casting and director pairings that they had ideas for.
And then Best Film Editing as well.
Yeah.
So I do think that this movie led to a lot of White House movies that we had since.
And most of them,
they're okay.
They're like movies that you see on Netflix.
Netflix where it's like you see Jamie Fox's picture. Would they make two White Housedowns?
They made, then they made the-
Olympus has fallen. All those fallen ones were like, yeah, there's like a whole franchise of those.
24 had a whole season in the White House. So, you know, this is before that whole world.
So 93, when this comes out, you're in Boston. Are you having Boston? I'm in Boston.
Out of college? I just finished grad school. Is House in D.C. yet?
House is in D.C. I want to know if House can speak to.
why early 90s
DC looks so cool in movies.
Like it's just so,
like the firm and this
Pelican brief,
a few good man,
you're just like,
damn,
do I fuck up and not live in Georgetown
in 1993?
See,
I'm going the other way.
I feel like they haven't embraced DC
enough the last like 15 years
because there's no better shot
than the monument
in that whole body water.
And it's just,
it's one of the most iconic scenes
you can throw.
I mean,
this movie ends with it.
Yeah.
But I just think DC, San Francisco, parts of Boston, like certain cities when they become the character in the movie, this movie uses, I had this later for Woodson, The Best, this movie uses DC really well.
$40 million budget.
It made $187 million.
It was the seventh biggest 1993 movie.
And it had real buzz when it was coming out.
It was like, there was a lot of buzz about the summer that we had this and this is coming and this is coming.
And it was just, it really felt like a special summer.
and then it delivered.
So obviously the premise of this podcast
is movies that you just go watch again and again.
There should be a special classification
for movies that you immediately went back
and saw in the theater.
And Jurassic Park, Fugitive, and in the line of fire
are all three movies.
I was like, I'm going back next weekend
to go see this.
This is so fucking entertaining.
And you grab somebody who didn't see it.
You're like, you gotta go see Fugitive.
Out of all of them, I think Fugitive was my favorite.
Yeah.
I'll go with that.
And there's a reason
it was one of the first ones
I think I probably seen Jurassic more
but there's a reason
we might be doing it in Chicago
January maybe
it
Fugitive was just so fucking satisfying
just the best
I loved it
our guy Roger Ebert
three and a half
he said
thrillers are as good as their villains
and in the line of fire
has a great one
a clever slimy creep
and then just goes through
He said in the line of fire
as a story similar to many of Eastwood's
Dirty Harry movies, which is true.
I think if you're going to ding this,
it does,
if you watch the first Dirty Harry,
especially, it does feel like
that's the crazy version of this movie.
But he said,
when Frank is just like mercilessly
killing counterfeiters?
Yeah.
He said, it's a smart, tense,
well-made thriller,
Eastwood's best in the genre
since Tightrope, 1984.
Fucking love that movie.
Wait a go, Raj.
Tightrope, good one.
You're on tight rope, right?
Yeah.
That's a weird one.
I still don't know what's going on with Clint in that movie.
Clint's like exploring the studio space on that.
So three and a stars.
He's like Lindsey Buckingham and Tusk.
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would you put it outside your house?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
15 feet tall.
You got to wait until after Ben leaves for school
to do that,
just like empty nesters with Michael Myers.
dolls outside of your house.
I feel like the decorations are getting better.
Yeah.
We were, there was this Halloween pop-up store a little bit near my house that we were walking
through.
And they had like $350 giant things.
And they're like fucking scary.
You're like, if you put, if I put this in my front yard, people might think I'm
actually murder it.
It's probably all the special effects artists.
They're like, I have no work to do.
So I'm just making Halloween direct decorations.
It's great stuff.
It's what, it's honestly, it's not a top 10 reason to live out here, but it's in like the
top 25.
Yeah.
how Halloween is treated
with the respect it deserves.
That and LeBron.
Most rewatchable scene.
The boat scene in the beginning.
So good.
Good to see Tobin Bell.
Pop them for me.
Show me I'm an asshole.
Do you believe, so Frank knows the weight of a gun.
Yeah.
I mean, you knew the gun was empty, right?
I mean, you knew from the weight of the gun
that the chamber was empty.
Am I right?
Well, there could have been one bulletin.
Do you believe that he,
would, that anyone would know the weight of a gun?
If anyone did, it would be
Klinis would.
I saw this magician once.
I'm sure there's a Navy SEAL guy on YouTube
is like, I definitely know that weight of a gun.
Right, watch this.
I saw a magician once do card tricks recently,
like two months ago.
Uh-huh.
And he could tell by the way to the cards,
like how many cards were left in the deck
and stuff like that.
He just put him in like 27, 19.
And I watched it,
real time. And I was like, all right, this is something. So it makes me think like the bullet.
Bullet is possible.
You hold a gun enough time. So like, all right, that's a tiny bit light. Feels like two bullets in there.
Yeah. I believe it. I believe it.
Where do you stand on Tobin Bell?
One of my favorites. So he's in the firm, right? Is it a no-bino?
He's the guy who shows up with D. Norris from, from Brick-Bad.
and shoots Busey.
Yeah.
That's a great opening scene.
Dylan McDermott with the bag pulled over his head.
We'll get to him later.
The next one I have is Clint meets everyone,
which includes joking about a Super Bowl bet with the boys
and then meeting Lily Raines and saying,
secretaries get prettier and prettier.
And she says, and the field agents get older and older.
And then he's kind of like, oh, I got a laugh wood on my hand.
Yeah.
Let me double down.
I just want to see if you have.
sense of humor.
Al DeAndre?
Frank, you know Matt Wilder?
Yeah, Matt.
Frank?
Still owes me 20 bucks from Super Bowl 21.
He always liked Denver.
This is Agent in charge Bill Watts.
Bill?
And Lily Wrains.
Hello?
Willie.
Secretaries get prettier and pretty around here.
And the field agents get older and older.
Lily's an agent, Frank.
I know that.
I just wanted to see if she had a sense of humor.
Oh.
Have a seat.
what an error this was
you just be like old cranky
chauvinist guy and it wasn't to be like
Frank HR wants to see you exactly
Lily's filed a formal complaint
the movie's now over I didn't have this down
but it is amazing to imagine the Twitter
threads about Frank
you can't judge Frank it was 30 years ago
openly hitting on her
one of the guys
it's so funny
I love that they put stuff like this back in there in the 80s and 90s
because it was always like,
ah,
this character is kind of a live wire.
Yeah.
This is how he flirts with this woman.
Insults them.
Would not fly now.
This scene is really funny, though.
I like how she handles it, too.
Like,
she's like laughing at him and she's kind of like,
oh, this guy.
The implication is that she calls the paramedics on him to get him back a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I liked it.
the second
booth phone call
he knows him as
booth at this point
the Malcovic character
when they do the JFK recap
I think is really strong
so that's the
that's one of my favorite bits
of Eastwood acting in this movie
is it's when
so this is the one
there's like four
this is the one where Malcovich calls
and he's like
you know I think he
the idea that you were
you would be blamed
for going out at night
You know, and that like, like, as if you were in bed at 9 p.m., the president would be alive.
And, like, Eastwood takes this beat, and he's just like, maybe they were right.
Yeah.
It's really good.
We've got so much in common.
We do.
Like what?
We're both willing to trade our lives for the president by people we trusted.
I wasn't betrayed.
I sure you were, Frank.
Commission's report on the assassination.
They called her procedures seriously to fish criticized you in the other age.
In fact, they weren't right.
He wanted to station agents on his bumpers and sideboards.
He refused.
And do you know why I think you refused?
I think he refused because he had a death wish.
He talked all the time.
His favorite poem was I have a rendezvous with death,
which is not a good poem.
And I think he didn't care that.
I think he was the self-hap.
He's really good in this movie.
That also has the like,
JFK's favorite poem was I have a rendezvous with death,
which is not a very good poem.
Right.
Next thing, Malcovich goes to the bank, deposits 50K and decides to kill the clerk because...
She's from Minneapolis.
She realizes that he's full of shit about what Minneapolis high school...
Yeah.
Where are you from?
Minneapolis.
You're kidding. So am I.
Wow. It's a small world.
Oh, I hated the winners.
Nine months of the year I'd stay indoors and pig out.
I moved here and have lost 30 pounds so far.
What high school did you go to?
New Brighton High School.
There isn't any New Brighton High School.
Oh, there was when I was there.
Well, maybe I'm just confused.
It happens a lot.
Would you know right away if somebody made up like a Philadelphia or high school?
No, there's so many like Cardinalists and Archbishop cats and Fri.
No matter where I've lived in life, somebody could say right now, yeah, it's right near neighborhood.
They could be like, I went to Archbishop Bill Simmons.
I was like, oh, is that in Concha Hawkins?
Like, I have no fucking idea.
Did he fund that?
Yeah.
The deciding to kill the clerk, the moment that he actually decides is just classic.
This is a really good idea for you, by the way, post-ringer.
Is Archbishop Bill Simmons?
A charter school called Archbishop Simmons,
where he just raised a bunch of kids to be like, you think you're better than me.
It's just people from Massachusetts and basketball teams.
Yeah.
You guys just watch the town.
I texted Chris on Saturday night
I was flying back from Boston
and the TSA pre-check closes at 8 in Boston for some reason
it's like
just everybody in one line
you think you better than me because
Hasn't Rissilo had a problem with this too?
Didn't Rissila talk about this too?
It's so nuts.
Yeah.
It's like, yeah, 8 o'clock cut off.
It doesn't matter.
Your TSA doesn't matter anymore.
I like the clerk in this scene.
Can I ask you one more Boston question?
Yeah.
Have you been tempted at,
any of Zoe's soccer games
if somebody on the opposing team
gets injured, turn into the parent going,
there goes college soccer!
I have that thought about that head.
Just an idea.
We might have to do the retown soon.
Next one I have is Clint gets ice cream
with Lily, calls her window dressing,
crosses a few lines,
and says crazy things.
I've never worked with a female.
agent before. How many are there?
About 125.
Hmm.
Pure window dressing.
Excuse me?
A window dressing.
About 125 out of a little over 2,000.
They have you all around so the president can look good to his feminist voters.
Do you make an effort to be obnoxious or is it a gift?
It's a gift.
Let's face it, half the things we do are window dressing.
or window dressing.
Take running alongside that limousine.
Take an head of tank missile to put a dent in that damn thing.
There we are out for show, trying to make the president look more presidential.
And then sits on the Lincoln Memorial and it's like if she looks back, that means she's
interested.
And then she looks back.
Yeah.
Great stuff all the way around.
I just don't think, I don't think men and women interact like this anymore.
I do think that the, it's a great idea about like window dressing for,
the president. He's like everything that we do
is to make him look more presidential.
Nothing could impact that car.
You think we could run next to a limine? You'd think if we
didn't run next to a limousine, he's any safer
or less safe? No way. And
the bit about
the demographic he represents is white piano
playing heterosexuals over the age of
50. He's like, we're a powerful
lobby. And I love
when he's like, well, Abe,
damn, that you could have been there for you.
The Dentothieves
Benihana Award,
scene stealing location.
Wait,
you're skip,
that's it for rewatchable scenes?
No,
I'm just,
I'm giving the Lincoln Memorial
the way they use it.
I think,
I think that wins.
No,
I got like five more scenes left.
We have a bronchitis,
Clint melts down
and fucks up protecting the president.
That's fun.
Yeah.
We have,
we have a booth calls Frank again,
and he does the,
oh, we have is the game.
I'm on offense,
you're on defense.
I like when we start really getting into that.
What do you think Booth is like,
Malcovich is apparently a huge expose guy, right?
Is he?
I think he was like a huge baseball fan,
but I think it was exposed.
It may have been Blugees, but I'm not sure.
We have Frank breaks into his house,
gets jumped by the CIA,
and the guy goes,
there's what we call a wet boy.
Assassin.
Wet boy, we need to work that in more.
And then that goes right to Liri
killing the two hunters with this homemade gun,
which I enjoyed it.
Yeah, why'd you shoot that bird, asshole?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So we get the Lerry scream, when Lerie finally gets mad and screams at Clint.
That's it.
Your voice is shaking.
I never lied to you, Frank, and I never will.
Why is it everyone who ever knew you said that you're a sick son of a bitch?
Your colleagues, your wife?
What does your wife say about you, Frank?
Oh, we're not talking about me.
Frank, you of all people, I want you to understand.
Why should I understand?
Because we both used to think that this country was a very special.
place. You don't know what I used to do. Oh, but you know about me? Do you have any idea what I've done
for God and country some pretty fucking horrible things? I don't even remember who I was before they
sunk their claws into me. That made you into a real monster. That's right. And now they want to
destroy me because we can't have monsters roaming the quiet countryside now, can you?
And we go right into the big chase scene. I agree. I think this is the most rewatched. Yeah, I mean,
You could say if you wanted to cheat
that the most rewatchable scene is the phone calls
because they feel like one scene.
Yeah.
But this is it.
It's the...
We both used to think this country was a wonderful place.
I don't even remember who I was
before they sunk their claws into me.
Yeah.
I say that to my wife all the time about you.
The Swedes!
I see you standing over the grave
of another dead president.
That's awesome.
Pretty a threat.
And then he does the...
I'm going to give him the Ruffalo.
hand and Rubik Partridge overacting word right here
even though it's effective.
Do you know how many times I've watched you go in
and out of that apartment?
You're alive because I have allowed you to live.
So you show me some
goddamn respect!
Really? Maybe doubt it up
20% too much. But we go right
to the chasing. We get Clint running.
We get that loser Dylan McDermott
can't even get up there. It just gets like blown away.
I can't wait to talk about him later. Yeah.
I love roof chasing.
I could also put this in what stage the best,
but has there ever been an action movie like,
oh, they're gonna run on the roof
and there's gonna be that one part where the one guy jumps,
then the other guy's about to jump?
Did you ever do any rooftop shit when you were a kid?
No.
Okay, so I didn't really,
but there was always the kid who was like,
I can make that jump.
Like, you're up on a kid's roof,
and he was just like, I can jump that over that alley,
and usually he would be able to do it.
I was never there when a kid fell to his death.
But it's like, it's fucking,
crazy what we did for fun back in the
80s and 90s. And the rooftop, I love
rooftop changes. What other rooftops? I should have googled this.
Untouchables has a great rooftop change.
Godfather has the walking
as he follows. He's just walking up the
Don, but he's not running. He's not chasing him.
There's a few. I think Vertigo's got a great one,
right? Mission Impossible, I feel like always has
one. Yeah, he's always fucking running on roofs.
Does Taken 2 have one? I feel like Taken 2
might have one. I like rooftop things.
Quink gets saved
by Malcovich, who puts
Clint's gun in his mouth
like he's blowing it
and it's fucking weird
and it's great
and he improvised it
and I can't imagine what Clint thinks
the movie goes technicaler
when that happens
he's like oh my God
what is happening
and then
dumb ass Dylan McDermann
I got him
anyway that whole scene's great
then we have Clint figures out
who the assassin is
the James Carney
and the gun
and that ending
and then the elevator scene
the AM high
yeah that's it
I just want to
point out, I love when bad guys break light bulbs.
Oh, and they shatter all the light bulbs so they can be seen.
Yeah, and just like just breaking the shit.
Great little bit, though, with the walkie-talkie to be able to tell Lily to aim high.
So we have the same rewatchable scene.
Yes, it's the last phone call.
The president is coming home from California in a fucking box and then into the chase.
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So what's age the best?
Mentioned a couple already.
How about Kennedy assassination wall shrines from psychopaths?
Old school, I'm dangerous wall collage.
First one.
You and me, man.
Do they do those anymore?
They still do assassination wall collages.
And I think Homeland kind of killed.
it. I think Homeland was so crazy
when Claire Danes went nuts in that show. And then it was
like the I'm, it's always sunny in Philadelphia
meme of like he's making the collage and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's
the best. I love bad guys
who are like, what I'm going to do is collage. I have one
of those from Matt Canada.
First and ten.
Or did it in the shape of a maple leaf?
Off tackle run.
Yeah.
I love while Sean. Do you say on fucking Sunday night
you were like, I think what Matt Canada is doing is
he's lulling people to sleep.
Yeah.
I told Craig that theory the other day.
I genuinely think they have...
The rope-a-dope.
They're like boxers, just trying to rope you in.
And then all of a sudden, George Pickens is Jerry Wright's for five minutes.
So you think the internet killed Wall Shrines?
Yeah.
That's sad.
Couldn't you just print stuff out on Google?
I guess it's not the same.
But like you wouldn't...
I think also maybe the kind of person who used to make a collage is now writing like manifestos
or like has a...
But we need to go back to those because now if you do anything online, like it's traceable.
You've got to just print that shit out.
Right.
You're off the grid.
Right.
You know, it's like cash now.
This is an interesting way, place for you to jump in.
Well, so now would Malcrovich's character, Leary, would he be on Reddit conspiracy?
No, he would be on some like deep 4chan type.
Like, I'm, I mean, I don't know.
Maybe he was a man of action.
He didn't feel the need to connect to other people.
But he obviously feels the need to connect to Frank.
But I just don't think collages are big for these guys.
He was initially excited about doing this whole presidential thing.
But then he found like the Philadelphia 76ers Reddit.
Just dove in.
The processed.
It's like, oh, my God.
We gave way Jimmy Butler.
It's not about getting Terrence man.
It's what we get for, Terrence man.
Just deep into Philly.
So at one point somebody says, face it,
Frank, you're too old for this shit.
And I just have you're too old for this shit as what's age the best.
Either when somebody says that to the character or the character says it to himself,
always good.
Always effective for these.
1990s Castle Rock?
Yep.
1990s Castle Rock, D.C., I had the Castle Rock just cooking city slickers.
Misery.
Seinfeld.
Yeah.
Yeah, DC, 1990s, D.C.
How about functional alcoholic cops who say stuff like,
is it because I'm considered a borderline burnout with questionable social
Social skills.
That's our hero.
The movie says that.
This was the first time that the Secret Service
offered its full cooperation in the making of a movie.
I'm going to give that what's age the best.
Thank you.
Thank you, Secret Service.
Thanks for thinking of us.
It's weird because it's like the Secret Service
cooperating on a movie about their biggest L.
Yeah, right.
I didn't think of that.
It would be like you're producing a New York Giants documentary.
Eli Manning.
I wrote down Horny Clint flirting with Lily.
As what's age the best?
No, when he says,
it's strange that the only sympathy I get these days
is from a would-be assassin or a woman I tend to annoy.
I like self-aware, chauvinous flurters in the 90s.
But in general, Horny Clint,
which he dove into in tightrope and did it a couple times.
But I think it was this side that was lurking in him
that he just kind of let out a couple times from the audience.
But it was in there.
Tightrope's a really weird movie.
I have what's age the best
Tiny assassination binoculars
Oh yeah
The little ones that only assassins have
They're like so tiny
I don't know how I see through him
Kudos to Larry
I thought he had a pretty good scheme
I mean really well thought out
$50,000 he gets invited
To this fundraising dinner
There's no second chapter to it
That's the thing is like he's just like
I'm willing to die to do this
I know I'm probably not getting out of that ballroom alive
But I got this wooden gun
that I spent a lot of time on
we're all good.
How about homemade wooden guns?
What's aged the best or what's age the worst?
Does it scare you that they could work that easily?
This generation of political assassins
dedicate enough time into the wood shop
to get that done.
The last one I have is just
that Malcolm Hodge outfits and disguises.
I like when our bad guy in a movie
is also really good at changing his look.
Having hair.
I love it.
It's gaining a bunch of weight
by eating spaghetti.
Yeah, yeah.
He's got like the Michael,
Phelps like 5,000 calorie diet.
What else do you have for? What stage is the best?
I thought that on this viewing a particular, like the footage of young Clint mixed into
JFK stuff like works really well.
Yeah.
I think probably because in this case there is so much footage of young Clint.
Yeah.
He could work it out well.
A whole decade in the 60s of he's on TV shows.
But he kind of looks like a secret service.
Yeah, he does.
You know?
And I thought, so I thought all that stuff really worked well.
One of the low-key best scenes is the night.
before the assassination attempt in Los Angeles
when he describes Dallas that day.
And he says like,
ah, it's a beautiful warning.
You know,
it's a really,
really nice little note,
but the fading in
and having Clint be in it,
it's just really,
really cool.
I fucking love the elevator
at the Bonaventure.
Yeah.
And it's still there.
And whenever I would drive by it,
I used to be like,
that's the in the line of the fire.
That's true.
That's like a historic elevator.
Yeah,
and people would be like,
who gives a shit,
but I'd be like,
yeah,
it's fucking Mitch Lerry
is up in the elevator.
So what are the other great movie elevators then?
Silence of the Lambs, wherever that was.
I feel like a couple of people, there's a couple of like...
Dyerhard?
Is there an elevator and diard?
Was there a diehard elevator thing?
He's just at the top of the tower.
He doesn't...
The elevator and diehard, he puts the guy in it and wraps him up and he says,
ho, ho, ho, motherfucker.
Now I have a machine gun.
Yeah.
Sounds of the lambs is probably the best kind of use of an elevator other than this movie.
Yeah.
The other...
Oh, Dress to Kill?
I guess.
Dress to Kill as a good elevator, yeah.
Yeah.
So I had that.
I had, um,
Sally and Pam's answering machine,
outgoing answering machine a message.
Yeah.
And back when people used to do creative,
dramatic,
like kind of skits for their answering machine messages,
like,
we're either here or out having fun.
Right.
Like,
back when people were roommates and left joint answer machine messages.
Did you do that?
I think we did.
Yeah.
I think Jeff and I used to play Halloween music and do that whole thing.
Really?
Yeah.
Talk like Dr. Loomis.
And then there's one moment where
when Booth is, or Leary is on his way to Wisconsin
to test his gun.
First of all, I love when assassins make unnecessary trips.
Like, just like, I got to go to Denver.
I got to go to Wisconsin.
It's like, why?
But he goes out there and he's dressed just like Hunter S. Thompson.
I thought that was a great Malcovic twist.
Yeah.
That's a good one.
Would you have for the Big Kahuna Burger Award
for Best Use of Food or Drink?
They don't eat a lot in this movie.
It's mostly Mitch eating food that makes me feel like I should go on a diet.
Spaghetti, the big bite of spaghetti.
Yeah, but it's like spaghetti.
That's like worse use of food or drink.
It's almost like Mitch Leary's diet should be its own rewatchable.
Grossest use of food.
Great shot Gorder Award, most cinematic shot.
I had the last shot.
You have anything different?
Yeah.
When Leary's talking about God and Country and he kind of like walks into the shadow of his own apartment.
And like there's like a beam of light at the top.
of his head, but the rest of his body
is kind of in shadow. It's really
really chilling.
The Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure
This Character was actually good at his job.
John Mahoney, like, maybe don't bring
the old Emotionousalcars
J. F.K. Assassination
Secret Service guy back on a main duty?
Yeah, exactly. It's like the
bills are like, hey, we got a field goal kicker.
It's Scott Norwood. One more chance.
So imagine this would be basically
for me if I
was just like, man,
the end of Game of Thrones was great.
And I had a complete nose dive.
And you bring me back way later.
Just to do culture analysis.
On Prestige TV pod, you can...
One more time.
Recap Peaky Blinder.
Right.
Let's start you off slow.
But you wouldn't be like you're on...
Guess the lines on Super Bowl night, which is essentially what John Mahoney does with...
That's terrible.
He's basically doing the guy of favorites.
It's the fucking president.
What are you doing?
I can see it with like the number five Washington person.
The Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film.
Arguably, it could have been the John Mahoney decision.
But I just don't know what's going on with Dylan McDermott's character in this movie.
It's easily the weak link of the film.
My Stephen A. Smith hottest take for this movie is,
are we sure a tackling dummy wouldn't have been a better Secret Service agent than Dylan McDermott.
He's just completely overwhelmed.
Yeah.
He can't problem solve at all.
He doesn't even know how to get around in D.C.
He's like, oh, where the fuck am I?
Connecticut Avenue of Florida?
Like, I don't know what's going on.
energy is totally wrong. He keeps saying it off to
Najee Harris first and second
down.
He's just, I don't know why they made
him such a doofus. Yeah.
So then when he, he's,
I got him! And he was like, of course he gets
shot, but he's just a freaking idiot.
It just doesn't, it seems like what would he best
be suited to do as a Secret Service agent?
Because it's not discovering counterfeiters.
It's certainly not, he doesn't
have the sort of spine to work.
You, the first
trade is you have to be fearless to
Secret Service section.
There's a chance you might have to jump in front of a bullet.
He's got a lot of fear.
That's trait number one.
This guy is completely terrified.
That's awesome.
In Dylan McDurton's job interview, he was like, I love spending time with my family
and I'm really afraid.
I hope nothing happens.
I would love to work for the Secret Service, but those are my two conditions.
This character's so bad that I actually held it against Dylan McDermott for like a long time.
I was just like, ah, that's the dofest from that in the line of fire.
kind of character.
I mean, in some ways,
that means it's a great performance
because I think about Al a lot.
Like, in this movie, you're like,
Al kind of hovers over it.
A worst case scenario?
Yeah.
It's really weird.
I don't know why they did it that way.
What'd you think of,
would you think of Al, correct?
No, I mean, a pretty big myth.
Yeah.
I agree.
The Matt Canada of Secret Service agents.
An unnecessary miss.
There's lots of ways that could have gone, too.
You know, and I don't know,
maybe he could have been too young.
Yeah.
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What's age the worst?
The movie score is pretty bad.
Disagree.
For a great movie.
Especially in the opening.
I just don't like it.
You don't like this Ennio Morricone's score?
I don't like the opening score.
I just didn't think it worked.
It felt cheesy.
Okay.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Morricone.
Movie scenes that end on crucial answer machine messages have aged the worst.
It's never happening anymore.
He's just listening to that on his phone.
I like the idea.
though, that you're talking about
the last scene. Yeah, when in him
and Renee Russo leave his apartment as I almost
like the idea that like
there's, there's almost, it's almost making
fun of Leary's self-regard.
Yeah, what I mean? Like, now this guy's
dead, so who cares what he had to say?
We mentioned Clint's sexual harassing.
I would say, fair to say, probably
is age to worst. They're still figuring out
the HR complaint. The word
cockamamie? Who's last time we heard
that word? That's the point. Clint's trying to
get it going and it wasn't even 93, wasn't
working. I had the photoshopping of the old
Malcovic pictures, I thought didn't work.
Clint's ones look good. Malcovich. So is that
supposed to be him from killing fields or anything? Because it
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what that looked like.
Wasn't great. I thought murdering
Sally and Pam could have been a little bit better.
They did these like jump cuts of just like two broken neck moves.
Really hard to break somebody's neck, first of all.
Wasn't as scary as I wanted it to be.
Pretty useless German Shepherd.
German Shepherd? I feel like that
that German Shepherd's pulling away
and somehow getting off the leash.
So,
Malcovich apparently wanted to also have him
kill the dog and Wolfgang Peterson's like,
no, no, no, no.
Settled down, Johnny.
So they didn't do that.
Malcovich was like,
no bad ideas in a brainstorm.
What if I snapped this dog's neck?
The Bonaventure in L.A. is now the Weston Bonaventure.
Still has the elevator, as Chris mentioned.
That's a what's aged
the worst for me because
it's just weird to stay in that hotel
where it had this huge murder.
It's fun to go there,
but I don't know if I'd want to stay there.
I can't remember if I don't think I ever stayed there
when I first was coming out here.
I'd be freaked up with the elevator.
And then last but not at least,
you know, no Viagra for Clint, age 62.
René Russo has some needs.
93.
It's her you really rolling the dice.
What's up with you and Clint's Cockton,
you really?
You're really rolled the dice if you're Renee Russo.
Yeah.
You better hope.
the sergeant can come to attention.
Any other than what stage is the worst?
Yeah.
What guys used to do for small talk before the internet?
There's a bunch of scenes of this movie.
Like the first time that Clint picks up Al,
and I was like,
oh, my wife had to leave early for work today.
My kid didn't want to go to school.
It's like, now he would definitely just be like,
hey, I heard this Andrew Huberman podcast about staring at the sun.
You want me to send you a link?
They needed some sports
combo or something
What do you think
the Redskins have it again this year?
I don't know, maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
Dylan McDermott.
Was Joe Gibbs like still coaching back then?
Ron Burgundy,
Flewed Award,
best time for a pee break.
What do you have?
You know, this movie's pretty tight.
I didn't.
There's a couple of montages.
I just put question marks
because I felt like
I never got bored the whole time.
You could probably go
on the first
montage of the president.
whistle stop tour across America, you know,
and it's basically like Leary going around and...
Yeah.
He's like opening up bank accounts and stuff,
but like after he's killed Pam.
Kind of liked all the Leary scenes.
I don't really have an answer for that.
Was there a better title for this movie?
I think it could have been called Line of Fire.
And I think we're fine.
Okay.
I don't know if that's a better title,
but I'll allow it as like an alternative.
In the Line of Fire or Line of Fire?
In the Line of Fire is better.
Line of Fire just...
Then we're close to man on fire.
Best quote, you can always tell a man by his eyes.
Feel free to put that in your senior yearbook, Craig.
That way, you graduated.
Can I always tell a man by his eyes?
Not untrue.
All right, so Stephen A.
Wait a second.
You have a rendezvous with my ass motherfucker is the best quote.
Yeah, that's pretty good.
Stephen A. Smith-Hottis take award.
You already did yours.
Renee Rousseau, most entertaining actresses.
the 90s.
More than Julia Roberts?
Yeah.
Not even close, actually.
Not even close.
Wait a second.
Not close.
Not close.
I'm going to read you the list again.
Major League Zadena.
No.
Lethal weapon three, free jack in the line of fire,
outbreak, get shorty, tin cup, ransom,
lethal weapon for Thomas Crown Affair.
It's nine fucking movies that are all
incredibly entertaining and rewatchable movies.
I even defend Freejack.
Julia, no.
Julia had like three.
Julia had...
Pretty woman.
Pretty woman was 89 or 90?
Pretty woman is...
I thought it was 89.
90.
Okay, 90, pretty woman.
Flatliners.
Uh-huh.
My best friend's wedding.
Notting Hill?
I'm looking up Julia Roberts.
She doesn't have nine.
Tell you that much.
If you're a Desert Island
and it could be like,
I'll take all the 90s Julie Roberts library.
All right, Bill, just settle down here.
Pretty Woman.
flatliner sleeping with the enemy.
The player Pelican brief.
That's solid.
It's five.
My best friend's wedding.
Six.
Conspiracy theory.
That movie sucked.
Notting Hill, runaway bride, and then it ends with Aaron Brockovich in 2000.
I rest my case.
Renee Russo, baby.
It's a winner.
If I was giving you, all right, you take these DVDs.
Here's door A, Rousseau, door B, Roberts.
You're taking Rousseau.
You are.
You're taking Julie Roberts?
I can't tell if you're doing Steve A. Smith or if you really hate this.
Should I do bad, Doug?
Yeah, take you Renee Rousseau every time, Chris Ryan.
I got a gummy.
I got $20,000 on the buffs and I got René Rousseau for the entire 90s.
There's got to be Renee Rousseau.
I can't believe this.
It's definitely 100% René Rousseau, and she doesn't get enough credit.
Bullock's in there.
Okay.
Do Bullock.
Do the Bullock 90s.
Because you got Love Potion number 9.
You have the vanishing, you have speed, you have while you were sleeping.
Bullock, 90s.
Love potion number nine, the vanishing thing called love, demolition man.
Speed while you were sleeping, the net.
Oh, my God.
A time to kill, speed to.
Oh, what a run.
Practical magic.
Yeah.
Forces of nature. So yeah, maybe.
That's it.
She tails off a little bit in the 90s.
She was right there with Russo.
That's what makes the Russo.
Russo finishes with Thomas Crown.
which is a great movie.
Amanda Dobbins'
favorite movie.
That's one where
if we did Thomas Crown Affair
and Amanda wasn't on
the rewatchable.
Yeah, there's a couple
The resignation comes like the next day.
For me, it's on for October.
For Juliet,
it's almost famous for Amanda.
It's Thomas Crown.
Yeah.
What do you think it's fantasies?
I think we've done all the fantasy ones.
He's just ready to leave.
Yeah.
The
casting what ifs.
Dustin Hoffman was originally
supposed to play Frank
with Michael Aptead directing.
So this script has been
Was bouncing around I think from 87
5 foot 6 secret agent
See here's the there is something here though
So one of the things
With Hoffman? No here's what I would love to have seen
Yeah
Among other people linked with playing Frank was
Hoffman Redford Hackman
Tommy Lee Jones Sean Conry
You go Redford is Frank and Hoffman is Mitch
Oh like a reunion
Yeah
Little All the President's men reunion
That's not bad
I think Justin would have been a good Mitch
He never really played a character
Like did he play a crazy character?
Not really
Not a villain like that, yeah
Apparently
Eastwood once he locked in
They offered the role of Larry to De Niro
But he was doing a Brock's tale
Yeah
So De Niro basically would have done
The This Boy's Life Cape Fair character
I'm kind of glad that
I'm saving it all for the fan
Yeah
Hold on
I'm gonna be able to ump in a rainstorm
In a World Series
And then allegedly Glenn Close
and Sharon Stone
turned down the role of Lily.
The other two people
who were up for
or talked about
for Lurie and Booth
were Ed Harris
and Wollum DeFoe,
both of whom I think
would have done a great job too,
but nobody would have done
what Malcovich did.
And then I liked
Bill Pullman or
William Baldwin as Al.
Bill Palman as Al,
I like that one.
Yes.
Yeah, that's solid.
Best That Guy Award.
So we have some graduates
from the Best That Guy group.
These were former that guys
who then became who they are.
Fred Thompson.
He was a That Guy forever.
now he's Fred Thompson.
Tobin Bell.
Gary Cole?
Yeah, he's not.
At some point he became Gary Cole.
I don't think he's a that guy, yeah.
But he was a that guy for a while.
In 93 he was the that guy for sure.
John Mahoney was the that guy for a while
and then became John Mahoney.
I think he didn't say anything.
But for years before say anything,
he was the that guy.
So Brian Libby is not,
he's Brian Libby to me,
but I think he's the that guy to most people.
He was the killer in Silent Rage.
He's in Shawshank.
He's one of the group.
Okay.
In Shawshank.
He's in this movie.
He's been in a million things.
He's the guy.
who's like, oh shit, we can't tell him.
Yeah.
He's been in a lot of stuff.
Yeah.
And then Josh Molina became Josh Molina.
Yeah.
Eventually.
Clyde Kusatsu and Steve Hittner, who are the guys who run the traces on Larry's calls, are that guys?
So I have Clyde who has 313 IMDB credits.
He's the Asian guy of Mahoney's crew.
Yeah.
I don't even know how many things I've seen him in, and I had no idea what his name was until I looked it up.
And then the other one I have is.
briefly at one of the meetings that they're having in the Secret Service,
Anthony Peck, who's one of the cops in Die Hard with a Vengeance,
who's riding around with McLean all day, and he's that guy.
I have Kenny Banya from Seinfeld.
He's in this.
I don't know what that guy's name is.
Is he one of the hunters?
No, he's like in the, he's working for the FBI or the CIA.
He has like one quick scene.
So Clyde and Kenny were my runner-ups,
and the winner is, there's a wheel.
wheelchair gun expert, the guy they bring in the guy in the wheelchair. That guy is amazing. That was
Professor Finley from 902.1. No way. Pivotal 902.1. This Craig, cult professor on 902102
who was like a sociology professor, but he was really like secretly a cult. Polzing Kelly
Taylor. And it's like this five episode arc and the guy's like basically ruining the college.
Great stuff. I don't know what that guy's name is. I just know him as Professor Finley.
Yeah. Well, his character in his movie is one of my.
favorite things where he's just like Mitch bought me
this wheelchair and I bought
this Glock. Right. And then
we never seen him again. Deon
Waiter's Award,
he's up there.
I like the suspicious bank clerk.
Fred Thompson.
Tobin Bell just for one scene.
Yeah. Who else do you have?
I have Rails back. This
Coppenter, the Sagan.
He's coming in. I'm getting my identification, okay?
And he was in the stuntman. Yeah.
Well, he also put
Manson. He was the best
Manson we've ever had.
That's a way back when.
Brave shot. Yeah. I'm going to go Rales back.
John Hurd's pretty good.
Is the guy who's like,
oh, you should go talk to this guy in Arizona.
He knows everybody.
It felt like a waste of John Hurd.
Yeah. I wonder if there was some more
Hurd.
I wanted to see him like playing
a handball with Josh Baskin.
A couple more scenes of that.
Recasting Couch.
So, Jim Curley is the president.
And the president's like not really
in a character.
Why not go fun here?
I was thinking Robert Ridgley
from the Colonel for Boogie Nights.
Just somebody I know who's like,
oh, or Philip Baker Hall.
See, you don't ever want to do
modern day recasting couch.
Oh.
Well, for 30 years ago,
would you have rather done Delmet Mulroney
or Dylan McDermott for that part?
Is it better with Delmet Mulroney?
Dermit Mulroney?
Could you switch Dermit Melrooney?
I think Dylan McDermott is good at being
this kind of not-need guy.
it's a bad match of actor and character
so if you're doing it now who would you have
this is the last Denzel action movie
oh
he's 68 in real life
he can play 63 convincingly
he's already got all the tools
all the skills
the problem is we can't even make this movie now because
the JFK
whatever you could do like a fictional
like yeah set it in
yeah why Denzel gets like
disgraced who knows but then
I was trying to think of who could be
Mitch and I was like maybe
Jillen Hall. You know,
Jillen Hall is like this assassin
chasing down the president.
So evil Jillen Hall.
Yeah.
Would you go Gosling?
I don't know if he's like electrifying enough.
He's got to like really blow up.
You know?
We could do one last run around the block
for Denzel and Russell Crow together.
I don't know.
But I think Russell moves
I don't know. He's in shape.
Yeah.
Bree Larson?
Just get her a good role.
Is that new Apple show good?
No.
Sorry.
What am I going to do
with all my Brie Larson stock?
I have fucking amazing amounts of it.
Has invested?
I'm Brie Larson stock and Spotify stock.
Yeah, Denzel's a good one for this.
He doesn't acknowledge his age
in quite the same way that Quint did, though.
Denzel was always like defying his age.
It would be cool if he did a part like this
where he kind of was like,
I'm just going to have like a sense of humor
and kind of make fun of myself a little bit,
be vulnerable
you know
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The scenes in the White House were filmed on an existing set,
but Air Force One,
they had to build it from scratch at a cost of $250,000.
$250,000.
What happens to those sets after they're done?
They just like dismantle them?
So they don't recycle them ever?
They're not like a lot.
Air Force one that we got.
So the president's re-election campaign,
they had to digitally alter footage
from the Bush and Clinton campaigns
from that year.
They had enough technology now
to be able to digitalize
some of the stuff for re-digital.
Same thing with the Clint Eastwood stuff.
So Clinton praised this movie
and was really into it.
And then they had a whole debate
about whether they should use that
in the marketing of the movie
that the president liked it.
Like Bill Clinton being like two thumbs up.
Yeah, I loved it.
they decided not to.
I love this one.
Malkovich lived in seclusion
for over a month.
He didn't leave his house,
wouldn't talk on the phone,
wouldn't watch television,
and wanted to connect
with Mitch Lerry's sense of isolation.
I love when actors do this.
But apparently when he was on the set,
he was like a real pro
and was just like bullshit with the guys.
Costs four million bucks
to do all the digital stuff in this movie.
The original trailer
of this movie
sounds, I couldn't find it online,
but it starts with November 22nd,
1963 on large letters,
and then Leary's talking about killing the president,
and the clock ticks in the background,
and it changes from 63 to 93,
and then it cuts to Clint,
and after the guys talk about it,
he's going to kill the president,
and Clint goes, that's not going to happen.
And everyone in the audience laughed,
and they had to redo the trailer.
Oh, really?
They just mangled it.
Yeah, it was bad.
And then there was a whole Columbia
Castle Rock
debate about this movie
that ended up like Castle Rock
leaving Columbia.
They were fighting about
who deserved more credit,
who did enough work,
and they cut ties
the following year.
Apex Mountain.
Clint, obviously not.
Malkovich?
Is this his most famous performance?
I mean, do you think
this or Rounders is the most famous?
But Rounders wasn't successful
when it came out, you know?
In the years since,
it's kind of gone on
to like,
kind of grow a lot.
So I was thinking that being John
Malcovic is actually his Apex Mountain.
You're probably right.
He's in the title of a movie.
Done by a really well-respected director,
that's got to be his Apex Mountain.
Plus, Rounders was starting to gain steam at that point.
This movie was rewatchable the entire 90s.
It was on all the time.
Dangerous liaisons.
They remade and cruel intentions.
Rousseau, no.
Probably 10 cup for her.
Yeah.
We haven't done 10 cup yet.
she's unbelievable in that movie.
Absolutely love her.
Really good Don Johnson.
Great job by her.
She's in our favorite two for the money, too.
That's right.
I'm gambling again.
That's right.
She's Al Pacino's girlfriend in that.
Yeah.
Not one of her better roles.
No.
Tobin Bell now.
Roof chases.
Pretty good roof chases.
It's pretty great.
It's pretty great.
I'd like to open that up to the people.
Maybe putting Chris, Chris's Twitter replies
if there's a better roof chase.
It's like we're missing one.
Born supremacy.
Oh.
Skyfall.
Matrix.
I don't know.
I'd put this one up against it.
Because this one has so much drama to it
when he puts the gun in his mouth.
Yeah.
Assassination movies?
I think JFK probably takes it.
Yeah, I agree.
Wolfgang Peterson.
Probably Dasboot, too.
Dasboot, the sequel?
The sequel, yeah, $300 million.
Weston Bonaventure, no question.
Yeah.
The era of adult thrillers?
Yeah, I think.
Somewhere in the 90s here.
I think supercharged.
92 to 94.
Genre movies like this.
It's like the firm and this and, you know,
modern adult thrillers.
93 movies.
Washington, D.C. is a movie location, no.
Because what, you think all the president's been is?
Yeah, probably.
Yeah, that's like around three days of the condor, too.
it's like the 70s paranoid thriller.
Yeah.
Pickin' Nets.
Oh my God.
A cynical, loveless, legitimately owed
alcoholic request to be assigned
to protect the current president.
And they're like, sure thing.
They're not even like, we've got to run it up the flagpole.
They're just like, all right.
Hold on.
Can you take a fitness test first?
Nope.
They're like, sure thing.
Back right.
Tomorrow.
If I just go up to Rob Thompson right now
and I'm like, I really want to pitch in game seven.
I've been dying to do it.
All right.
I hesitate every time with,
movies to do this because I know part of losing yourself in a movie is you don't try to think
about stuff like this. But Renee Rousseau's married in this movie. There's no way she's single.
Right. She's like, man, if only I could find true love, oh, here's Frank, the fucking alcoholic
with demons. He's 20 years older than me. This is my guy. I don't know that he's supposed to be
like a raging alcoholic. I think he just went out the night before Kennedy got killed. And it was
the 60s, man. She's married with two kids. People are locking her down. And maybe she's divorced
because she picked the wrong one,
but she's still got some sort of family.
Clint gets fired
after fucking up the president's speech
and they have to pull him into the back of the thing.
At that point, he's just out.
I think after that was like,
oh, man, that was so embarrassing
when we had to jump in front of the president
but nothing.
It was just a couple of balloons popping.
I feel like he's pulled out of this whole thing.
He's out of the entire infrastructure,
never to be seen again.
That's about as bad.
a mistake as you can make as a Secret Service agent.
If you pull it the thread too much about the
Secret Service decision-making thing, it really
gets your confidence in the Secret Service.
But this is like nine times watching this movie.
We're like, wait a second.
Yeah, but there's like a whole thing where
like every meeting is basically
Clinton being like, this is a credible threat
against the President's life.
And they're like, just get this guy away from me.
I don't want to hear about it.
The President's got to go to Denver.
Yeah.
Larry, the assassination is foiled.
he shoots Clint instead of the president.
They hustled the president out.
Larry is immediately shot to death
in real life.
He's only got one other bullet.
If he's not shot to death,
10 people are jumping on him.
Somehow he's able to pull Frank
who has a bulletproof vest
with a bullet in it
and he's able to pull him over
to the elevator in the main lobby
and then press floor 24.
What happened?
I guess you could say
into the confusion
of all the guys who were taking
the president out, but yeah.
I mean, we say this in half the movies we do,
but why didn't Larry just kill Clint in the elevator?
He followed his thing.
It's the longest victory.
The dance is done.
He's got to do his whole, just fucking shoot him in the head.
It's done.
That'll be your one victory.
And then Clint's talking into his thing.
Yeah, and also, Leary has thought of everything,
and he's just like, the fact that Frank is clearly
not speaking to him,
but speaking isn't setting off any alarms.
Yeah.
Tough. Any other nitpicks?
Well, I guess this was more common back then before like the glory days of fan duel.
But like to me, if a guy hadn't paid me my 20 bucks from Super Bowl 21 and it was like 1992, I'd be like, yo, man.
Yo, Tommy.
You owe me 20 bucks, Tommy.
Where is it?
Adjusted for inflation.
That's probably like 40, 50 bucks right there.
Like, God.
Also, that guy has a real job with real responsibility.
Like, you don't really want to be the bet welcher.
It's like the fourth highest guy in the government.
And so the idea is that did Clint,
doesn't they say that Clint bet the spread and the Giants covered?
Isn't that like the whole thing?
Giants, it's Giants bills.
Yeah, no, it was Giants Broncos.
It was Giants Broncos.
And Giants were like 10-point favorites or like 9-point favorites.
Oh, yeah, Giants covered in that.
I also think a nitpick is just two years after JFK comes out,
Clint Eastwood's character just being like, ah,
it's just Oswald, good old fed.
shooting from a six-four.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
They're just very credulous about like the Warren report.
We'll never know.
I have a picking knit.
Yeah.
So just like anybody could scramble calls and the U.S. government could do nothing about it.
But he's a wet boy.
He's got like the tech.
But like this over and over, like there's just nothing they can do.
He's got like a little briefcase with a couple wires in it.
And he's just untraceable.
He's got some technology that maybe like your normal run-in-the-mill criminal doesn't have.
But it's a good point.
They're like on the phone for like five minutes.
And they're like, nah, he could be anywhere.
But that being said, one of the great tropes in early 90s through late 90s thrillers,
is like, keep him on the phone.
You got to keep him on the phone.
He's bouncing it off his satellite, Russia.
Yeah.
I also don't get why Frank tries to save him at the end when he's hanging off the elevator,
and he's like, it's my job?
Yeah, it's why is it a job to save the guy who tried to kill the president?
You know?
Which is death is not justice.
Well, that's much longer.
Do you want to post any of these on our wet boys' Reddit thread?
Yeah, I'll do that.
Wet put her wet by
The Matt Canada, the wet boy.
My last picking knit is just
when the guy in the wheelchair
pulls out the heater
in front of two Secret Service agents,
I don't think they're like,
whoa, hey!
You have a permit for that?
I think they'd kill him.
Frank kills two counterfeiters
earlier in the movie
for basically the same crime.
Fair.
Sequel, Prequel, Prestige TV
All Blackcast are untouchable.
This is easy.
Prestige would be really solid.
Prestige prequel,
Frank in the last.
White House with JFK and Jackie.
Oh.
It's great stuff.
Like the crown?
Maybe a little of chemistry with Jackie, who knows?
No question.
Totally offended her somehow.
Yeah.
Jackie, isn't the first lady supposed to be a good cook?
What?
Frank, you're off detail.
Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins,
Dana Trail,
Catherine Hahn, Steve Bouchemy, Sam Jackson,
Frank Vincent, J.T. Walsh or Philip Baker Hall?
I am a little bit depleted after Scottish Wayne Jenkins.
Yeah, I have to say J.T. Walsh.
No.
I was...
Hopping out.
No, I'm going to come...
It's going to come back around,
but, like, I...
It was hard to think of what here.
I think this movie needs Sam Jackson.
How about this?
Sam Jackson is the Dylan McDermachar character.
Why not?
He wasn't Jules and Pulp Fiction
yet. Believable casting.
Yeah.
Could have been there,
and maybe instead of the fear thing,
he's too cocky.
He's doing the...
I know better.
I know I've only been on the job a little bit,
but I know every...
plays in Dyer with a vengeance.
Yeah.
Zeus.
Yeah.
Better movie with Sam Jackson.
Gives a little to Clint.
So when they're in the car, they actually have like a fun.
Yeah, when Clint's like giving him a hard time about picking him up, he's like,
I'm not your fucking public bus.
Right.
Motherfucker.
And these old motherfuckers always think they can balk out orders.
Yeah.
Just one Oscar who gets at Malcovic, right?
Yeah.
Did you do probably unanswerable questions?
Doing it right now.
Renee, the best model turned actress ever.
I'm going to say yes.
I think so
I have her over
Lauren Hutton
Fair Fawcett
Rebecca Romaine
Yeah
Famca
Yeah
Andy McDowell has a shout
Oh that's a good one
Yeah
Oh Andy McDowell is in the running
I still have Renee over though
That's good
Does Andy McDowell get credit
For also then having a daughter
That's also a good actress
I feel like that should matter
and the big thing.
Yeah. Does Renee Russo
have a daughter
who's on the come up?
No, okay.
No.
All right.
More in answerable.
Just what happened
to the Washington, D.C.,
really good political throwers?
I know.
Why did we lose these?
Is there like some sort of tax thing?
It's too expensive to shoot there?
I wonder also,
oh yeah, well, first of all,
I think that's probably true.
It's just like the expense of shooting
in D.C. has probably got too much.
The last good one was probably
House of Cards, honestly.
That was probably the last, like, good DC movie.
I missed those.
You have any in answer to us?
Did the evacuation of the fictional president from the ballroom
invent the Eagles goal line tush push?
Do you think a young Nick Siriani was watching this?
He said, yeah, what if we just pushed them?
I liked Miami's strategy last night
of just being off sides on the tush push.
They're over the ball basis.
They can't call it every time.
Best double feature choice with this movie.
Sounds like tightrope.
It could be tightrope.
I was thinking absolute power is a fun kind of match of this.
I like that movie.
You know that movie, Craig?
No.
Eastwood is like a jewel thief
and he's breaking into some
Washington heavy hitters safe
but the guy comes home
and then kills his mistress
and he witnesses it
and then he has to go on the run.
Really good premise.
Movies is like not as good as the premise
but it's good.
Laura Linney's his daughter, I think.
Laura Linney's another one
who could have been in this.
Sure.
This is right around primal fear, right?
Andy and Red Zawatine Award
what happened the next day?
I think Clinton and Renee probably go
about four weeks there before she does
the let's just be friends.
Yeah, I think they probably do
like a trip to San Trope or something.
He ties on a couple of rum and coax one night
and makes some inappropriate comments at the bar
and she's just like, I gotta leave this guy on.
He's like, look, women can't actually be in the secret service.
You guys know that, right?
They start talking about whether we're ever
female president and just goes badly.
Yeah.
What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?
It's got to be the wooden gun, right?
I wouldn't personally want it, but yeah, like, that would be cool.
I was also going to say Mitch's opera glasses or...
Oh, the assassination glasses.
Or the professor's wheelchair.
He was like, see this wheelchair?
It's cost a thousand dollars.
Coach Finstock, or a best life lesson.
Maybe don't give somebody a second chance when the president's involved.
Yeah, I mean, for me, it's like if you're going to kill the president,
maybe don't call the Secret Service four times.
Right.
Don't tip it off.
Just how about just killing them?
Yeah, just go about your business.
Yeah, that seems fair.
Who won the movie?
Malkovich.
Yeah, I agree.
What do you got, Craig?
Great watch, thoroughly enjoyed.
I can always tell it's good when I watch out loud and Liz isn't watching, but she can
hear it.
And she's always like, the more scenes she reacts to when she can only listen to the movie,
that's how I can tell it's like really good.
Yeah.
Like, she'll hear like, you shouldn't have been from Minneapolis.
And she's like, oh, she's like, what's happening now?
I have that sometimes.
And it's usually fee people here and be like, it's like cruising.
And she's like, you're not really doing this on the relaunch.
This is, could it be on a podcast?
Yeah.
No, but this movie has two things I love.
I love stuff that's like rooted in real history.
I feel like movies now, it's just everybody's like faceless and nameless.
It's like top gun villain now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nothing is rooted in reality.
So I really like the historical aspect of all this.
And I like big stars playing terrible people, which is another thing I feel like I don't see a lot of lately.
That's true.
It's like playing the villain
It's like it's really difficult
It's like it was hip for a long time
And now it feels like yeah
It's like up through the Batman movies
I think it was pretty big
And now most of the villains we get are like
Aliens
They like it's like Thanos and stuff
This movie also really hits the ground running
Which I appreciate it has all the makings of a movie
That would like open with like seven minutes
Of just like shots of DC with title cards
Yeah doesn't do that
No it goes right into the boat
Just goes right in
Yeah really appreciate that
So you're not surprised this movie
who was the seventh highest grossing movie of 1993.
No, that feels right.
Don't you see yourself going like once
and then be like, you know what,
I wouldn't mind seeing it in the line of fire
yet at the theater.
However, I will say, in 2023,
my 29-year-old over-stimulated brain,
Clint's, I just need Clint on like 1.5X.
Clint is like physically too slow for me,
like at speaking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like if you just replaced Clint with a different actor
and it's the exact same lines,
the movie's probably 15 minutes shorter.
You know, it's an interesting point
because we're so used to Clint.
He does go at his own pace.
He does use all 40 seconds of the shot clock.
He really does.
I mean, the play clock.
You need a fidget spinner to get through Clint's lines.
You know, you really need something.
Not Malcovic, though.
Malchwich, yeah.
No, because he's like so charismatic
and, you know, he's really dining on it.
Clint is just like deadpan reading lines, but really slowly.
He's like, I'm eating an ice cream cone,
sitting on the steps.
The funny thing is this is about as lively
as Clint is in a movie.
Yeah.
Usually he dials it way down.
Definitely in the 90s.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's just,
every movie I see Clinton,
he seems five years too old.
I'm like, he just,
it's too old.
Well, if you want to watch this movie audience,
it's on Netflix.
Yeah.
Ever since your revelation
that some people listen to the podcast
without having seen the movie.
It should kind of blew my brain.
I never considered that.
Yeah.
I just thought people would watch the movie
and listen to it.
People also enjoy watching the movie
before we do the podcast,
but you like to keep it
a little bit more of a surprise.
prize.
Yeah.
That's fine.
Then we can,
then people could
guess what our categories
were and our thoughts were.
And I just feel like
I'm an AI robot
hosting the podcast.
I bet he says
for what's age the best,
dot, dot, dot.
I don't want to be AI,
Bill Simmons.
I like being Bill Simmons.
You bet you're going to be AI
Bill Simmons soon,
I feel like.
Nobody would have predicted
you would have talked
about Clint Eastwood's
private parts this much
over the,
or tight rope.
AI would have never done that.
I've only got one bag
left. We got to leave St. Barts
early.
Clint, let's just be friends.
That's in the line of fire.
So next week we're doing a horror movie
and it's going to be
an older horror movie.
But I'm excited about it.
I'm excited about it. Yeah, it's one we've been circling
for a while. Produced by Craig Horlebeck as always.
And if you like the rewatchable, you can go check out.
We're putting the videos up on YouTube.com
slash Bill Simmons. So
you can watch Chris not do Wayne Jenkins
on YouTube. Just once.
Just what's going to have a break.
Thanks, C.R.
