The Rewatchables - ‘In the Line of Fire’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: October 24, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan have a rendezvous with death after rewatching the 1993 political thriller ‘In the Line of Fire,’ starring Clint Eastwood, John Malkovich, and Rene Russo.... Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:51 with Chris Ryan. Twice a week. Ringer Philly Special. We're taping this right before Game 7 of a Phillies playoff series. Maybe we'll hear you on that. A little suspicious. that you booked this for the game six.
Starting point is 00:02:04 It's not my fault. They scheduled playoff games at 5 o'clock. Has Philly taken the belt for Boston? You always thinking the worst of me. In the Line of Fire came out 30 years ago. It's up next. It was one of our nation's darkest moments. And he was there.
Starting point is 00:02:24 The only activation who ever lost a president. 30 years later, do you really have the guts to take a bullet threat? The hell is this? He's back. This guy's going to make a try. I've got to be there. In the line of fire, I see you standing over the grave of another dead precedent.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Cliff Eastwood. That's not going to happen. In the line of fire, rated R. At theater is July 9th. All right, Chris Ryan. 1993 movies. It was a wonderful year to be a movie fan. My God.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Just unbelievable. I was living in Boston that year, as I've mentioned many times. Just in a row, starting June 11th. week by week we got Jurassic Park last action hero Sleep is in Seattle the firm rookie of the year
Starting point is 00:03:14 in the line of fire free willy another stakeout you're a stakeout guy I'm another steakout guy I think both of them poetic justice and cone heads all the same weekend
Starting point is 00:03:25 Robin Hood men and tights rising sun you're rising sun I am a rising sun guy So I married an axe murder which you did last week and then we go into August and the fugitive was August 6th and searching for Bobby Fisher, August 11th.
Starting point is 00:03:38 This is like when they made movies for adults. That just were stories that had a beginning, middle, and end. There was no sequel potential except for Jurassic Park. But for the most part, movies are movies. We appreciated them. They had stars of them. They had good directors and good writing. And this is one of these movies.
Starting point is 00:03:54 This is like putting a Ferrari engine inside of a Camry, where you're just like, you could make this movie like shit. You could make this movie as a crappy bee movie. you could make this movie as like a schlocky action flick. But instead they go and they get Wolfgang Peterson and John Bailey to shoot it. John Bailey who shot Big Chill and a bunch of Lawrence cast and stuff. They get Ennio Morricone to do the music.
Starting point is 00:04:19 And then they put Clint in it. And when they're like, okay, who are we going to play against Clint? Who are we going to have be the foil in this movie? They follow this great 90s tradition of like picking these really left field great actors to play the villain. And Malcovich, I think, has a shout at being one of the best in this decade
Starting point is 00:04:40 at doing it between this and Conair. Yeah, because we have Tommy Lee Jones. We got Lithgow and Cliffhanger. Tommy and Lee Jones and Under Siege. Who else? I mean, coppers and speeds. This is the run. It starts with Alan Rickman and Diehard, I think.
Starting point is 00:04:53 And Kathy Bates and Misery, you could say. But Rickman especially. Nicholson and Bobkins. Hopkins, Ed Harris, and the Rock. You're talking about the guys who were like in Steppenwolf 10 years ago and now they're like, I'm a U.S. soldier who's taking Alcatraz hostage. Right.
Starting point is 00:05:06 I mean, the ideas are ridiculous, but the performances are so amazing. And then, yeah, Malcovich comes in and he's just like the perfect guy to go up against Clint because everything Clint isn't is what Malcovich is. He's cerebral, he's neurotic, but he's also like a little bit twisted, a little bit psychosexual, and Eastwood is just doing it. A little bit twisted? Yeah. Mitch.
Starting point is 00:05:30 What would share about? What was your first Malcovich movie? Empire of the Sun. Mine was the Killing Fields. Yeah. I thought he was unbelievable in the Killing Fields. And I love the Killing Fields. And for people, it'll be on the rewatchables, maybe for the 40th anniversary.
Starting point is 00:05:46 But that's one of my favorite 80s movies. That's Roland Jaffe, right? That's Sam Waterston, Cambodia. It ends with the Beatles song. Malcovich plays a photographer, and he's not in it that much, but his scenes are really impactful. And you're like, who's that guy? Yeah. He's somebody.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Dangerously, as Leisons was the one. That's his breakout probably. Yeah, I saw that in college. We went in a whole group and we were like, oh my God,
Starting point is 00:06:09 Malcovich. Like, is he going to win like two Oscars for that? Like, we had no idea. But he was kind of up and down. I think we had to do a class trip to go see mice and men
Starting point is 00:06:17 at the theater, which he's really good in. But yeah, like Leaisons, Empire of the Sun, he plays like a U.S. POW in a prison of war camp. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:28 And he's like running the U.S. soldiers there and he's incredible in it. And then, For some reason, starting in the late 90s, he became what Malcovich became, which was like, oh, he's going to play Teddy KGB and Rounders and just have an insane accent. And then he's going to be in being John Malcovich. And he just, it was a little Christopher Walkenie. I was going to say that.
Starting point is 00:06:48 The character of Malcovich became part of the Malcovich experience. I didn't feel that way when I saw in the line of fire. I didn't have enough of a history with him yet. No, I mean, but he's so unnerving in this movie because he seems like somebody you would see on a bus or was hanging out at a magazine stand. He makes some good choices, too. Like the scene when he finally yells at Clint. Oh, my God. And then they hang up and he does like this.
Starting point is 00:07:09 He starts like trying to crack his neck. It's like, oh, you're a fucking lunatic. Yeah. You're like literally crazy. But yeah, he's, he goes for it a few times. Yeah. And I think that was the whole point is that this is a movie that's not unlike the firm, but it's not basically all my favorite thrillers or even if they have action set pieces,
Starting point is 00:07:28 the most thrilling scenes are just two people talking. And this is basically. I think they have four phone conversations over the course of this movie and I believe they shot them continuously. Peterson basically staged them as one big phone conversation that would take place over the different parts of the movie, which is why
Starting point is 00:07:48 Malcovic is often dressed the same in each of the conversations no matter when they're happening. It's the kind of thing they thought you could do before they realized the internet was coming. Yeah. In podcasts like this. We were like, wait, this were the same close.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Screenshotting which sweater he's wearing. Yeah. But, you know, this movie has, like, really good bones. It's like, I'd be pretty interested in, like, ooh, a Secret Service agent who lost Kennedy has to redeem himself by stopping another assassination. Fantastic. I'm in.
Starting point is 00:08:17 But when you add this element of psychological depth and electricity from Malcovic, it's just like, damn, this goes into another stratosphere. We did the vanishing already on this podcast. We did. But that has the similar cat and mouse. game where Bridges is telling Kiefer. Yeah, your obsession is my weapon.
Starting point is 00:08:38 It was this weird time of villains also trying to bond with the guy they're fucking with. Yeah, McLean and Hans. Yeah, which eventually led us to heat. Clarice and Hannibal? Yeah, he... You think Michael Mann was taking notes?
Starting point is 00:08:52 He was just like, I see it. I see the moves. I think he was more like, this is what I was trying to do in Manhunter, motherfuckers. Now you guys are ripping this off. I feel like he probably thinks he was first. Miami Vice tried to do. this in a bunch of different ways. But this whole, I need to solve the crime, but this is not
Starting point is 00:09:08 personal, it's business. And we're all human beings there. And you went this way and I went this way. But there is some sort of common ground. Now, Clint doesn't want any of that. Clint's just like, you're a fucking lunatic. I'm taking you down. But Malcolm is like, we're more alike than you see him. We have the same kind of thing. He's trying to get this real relationship with Clint. Clint's not buying it. I think that there's a couple of moments in this movie too where they, their dialogue unintentionally echoes each other. Like,
Starting point is 00:09:33 Malcovich will be like, I used to think this country stood for something. And earlier in the movie, Clint's like... Said the same thing. Yeah. It's basically...
Starting point is 00:09:40 So these are two guys who think that the country is either fallen from grace and betrayed them in the same step. It is one of those movies that I'm not sure how many people
Starting point is 00:09:49 could have pulled off the Malcovich part. Yeah. It's a role that could have gone really badly in the wrong hands. Yes. Or it could have been like a normal...
Starting point is 00:09:58 It's like Tom Hanks. He's going against type playing the bad. guy in this. But isn't that the whole charm of Malcovich as a performer? It's like there's that
Starting point is 00:10:06 Matt Damon's story about when he showed up on set and first did Teddy KGB and he was just fucking around but he was like doing the Russian accent and he was just like I want to give you the money
Starting point is 00:10:18 and everybody's just like what? He's just like I'm screwing around but like there's a world in which Mitch is not like he's so over that he's too over the top with Mitch or he underplays it
Starting point is 00:10:28 too much. But I think that the dialogue winds up doing a lot of work for him because like the scenes between the two of them on the phone like if the dialogue's not crackling in those scenes are just kind of like like, all right, not that dangerous. He's on the
Starting point is 00:10:41 phone. But it feels like when he's screaming at Frank, it feels like he might as well be right next to him. Yeah, I agree. He's like walking for me in that not just the character became part of the mythology of him, but there's a presence to him that he's
Starting point is 00:10:57 not a big dude. You know, he's this kind of bald and weird looking dude who's a very distinct face. He uses silence in a really interesting way. He seems menacing. He even did this in dangerous liaisons. Like, there's a power personality that he pulls off that I can't really describe.
Starting point is 00:11:14 And he even does it in rounders. Yeah, he's seductive. He's eating the Oreos and he's staring at. It feels like there's always like a little bit of a flirting thing going on with whoever he's with. It could be a man, could be a woman. He's always like connecting with them. Yeah, the Oreo thing.
Starting point is 00:11:28 Like you said, the neck cracking. There's obviously a scene in this movie that has like an incredible amount of sexual tension in it with Clint Eastwood that came as a surprise to Eastwood. I think that another thing that's cool about him is beyond the way he behaves is just the way he looks. Like I was seeing a lot of people talking about Killers of the Flower Moon this weekend. Yeah. And they were pointing out how like Scorsese got all these guys with great faces to be in the movie. Like there's all these like very like unique, real feeling faces. Like some jaws and some expressive eyes.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Yeah, but when you watch like a Marvel movie, like everybody in this could be a model, basically. So he gets nominated for this, Malkovich. He does. And I'm trying to find. Actually, I got it right here, Bill. And it might be one of the best groups in Oscar history. Well, there was also other performances that we've talked about that didn't get on there.
Starting point is 00:12:25 So the supporting actor this year, Tommy Lee Jones wins for the fugitive. Malcovich is nominated. Pete Posselway is nominated for the name of the father. He's incredible in that. DiCaprio for Gilbert Grape and Ray Fines for Schindler's. Wow. Wasn't there another one? We just did...
Starting point is 00:12:43 There was another performance where we were outraged that it didn't get nominated. Well, I mean, Hackman's not nominated for the firm. There's a bunch of things from 93 that... What was the one Hackman picked Unforgiven instead of the other movie that he was up for? And then that one. I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Yeah, we've just, I feel like we've circled this Oscars over and over again. But yeah, Malkovich gets nominated. The, uh, I mean,
Starting point is 00:13:09 there's so many things to talk about this movie, but the JFK, which at this point, especially after Seinfeld and the Oliver Stone movie, the JFK assassination was kind of peaking. Yeah, and then this is really like attack
Starting point is 00:13:21 back towards like the conservative view of it. It's like the, yeah, because like this movie basically is like, all of the stuff that people say armchair experts with their like diagrams of bullets is all bullshit. It was just like this guy shot from the book depository and I could have stopped
Starting point is 00:13:38 him. Yeah. Well and it was conceivable that this guy could still make a comeback as a Secret Service agent because the assassination wasn't that long before. If they make this movie in 2013, it's like all right. No, this is 100 years old. It was inspired by Clint Hill who was the guy that broke down in the same. 60 Minutes interview five years after the assassination and said he felt responsible and could
Starting point is 00:14:05 have moved faster and stuff like that. There was that other theory with the assassination where one of the other Secret Service guys actually was the one that accidentally shot Kennedy because he grabbed his gun. That's a Bill James theory that I was enjoyed. Yeah. There's a, there's a good pothole theory. Have you seen the pothole theory? No. That there was a not a pothole, a sewer, like one of those sewer holes. Uh-huh. That there was just the enough room to fit like a shooter in the sewer hole. Yeah, that's a good one. Where was the pothole supposed to be?
Starting point is 00:14:35 It's sewer. But is it where we were? It's kind of below the grassy. Bill and I went to the Dallas Book Depository. That's why we're right. Yeah. I mean, we'll never run out of theories. We'll also never know what happened because if Trump wasn't going to tell us,
Starting point is 00:14:47 no president's ever going to tell us. Clint's last room. That would be kind of awesome if the next president was like super normy. Like it was like Buttigieg. And he was just like, I guess what? who killed Kennedy. Well, it could be part of the platform.
Starting point is 00:15:02 This is my number one thing I'm working on. I'm going to tell you who killed JFK. So Clint's last run here, Clint hits his 60s. He does Unforgiven, which we've already done,
Starting point is 00:15:13 in the line of fire, perfect world, Madison County, and absolute power from 92 to 97. Yeah, and he directs bridges of Madison County. And that's...
Starting point is 00:15:20 Or no, and he directs Garden of Good and Evil at some point. Yeah, and then he becomes older, moves into the million-dollar baby Korean Torino stage of his career.
Starting point is 00:15:28 somehow still going. This is the last time it was believable that he could be running next to a limo and foil and assassination. But they do use his age as a plot in the movie, which is something they also did in an unforgiving. And I feel like this was a theme that Clint was really interested in. I am becoming an older movie star. What does this mean for the roles that I played for 20 years here where I'm always like, I'm either the avenging cop or I'm the cowboy getting revenge or whoever I am. My age was never in it. But now my age is the thing. I'm in my 60s. Yeah, there are movies with equal measures of ass kicking and regret. So like he can still move. He still has some lateral quickness. But he's a little out of shape. He's got guilt.
Starting point is 00:16:15 He's got, he's thinking twice about some of the stuff. I think very late 50s and early 60s is when these movie stars tend to make the reckoning with their careers. Because it's like the color of money era for Paul Newman where it's like, okay, now I can start looking back. But I'm still pretty cool and you could still plausibly believe that I would land a lady at a bar, you know? The only one who won't do this is Cruz. No, because Cruz is like, I'm 42. Don't Google this.
Starting point is 00:16:42 Look at me. My hair's dark as hell. Everyone else. Yeah, Newman's a good example. I like when actors hit this stage. I mean, the best one ever was Tommy Lee Jones. in No Country for Old Men. Yes.
Starting point is 00:16:54 Because that's basically... And when I saw that... We talked about when we did the podcast with Hater, but when I saw that movie the first time, I was like, man, what the fuck was up with that last 20 minutes? Right. Now I'm almost 20 years old. I'm like, wow, that movie's one of the best movies ever made.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Yeah, and the end of that movie is basically talking about those kinds of movies and the violence that fuels those kinds of movies. Yeah. Yeah. Craig, you'll understand that movie like 20 years from now. Craig's like, why is it Jonah Hill and more stuff? Come on. But yeah, he... I mean, his career is so interesting.
Starting point is 00:17:29 How long it lasted. I don't even know who the athlete is. It's like a combination of Jack Nicholas, if Jack Nicholas had played until his, like, 60s and still been contending for majors. So it's almost like that, because there was a couple of years in Green Bay, and I think there were some injuries around there
Starting point is 00:17:47 where people were like, Rogers is probably done, right? Like mid-30s, and he's like, yeah, I think probably, I mean, I know he rattle off a bunch of MVPs, but there was some, is Rogers done stuff? And then there was like the Renaissance in Green Bay. Yeah. And now Rogers... Clint had like four of those.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I think Rogers is in his Grand Torino era now. Yeah. You know, he's kind of making some comments that... Yeah, that's a really good comparison for a lot of reasons. So this is Clint, like, oh my God, Clint won back-to-back MVP's. Holy shit. Like, unforgiven in this? This is great.
Starting point is 00:18:19 Yeah, he's just old enough that... The Renee Russo thing. 2023. It's a little bit of a reach. It's not cool. 1993, it was a reach, but you were like,
Starting point is 00:18:31 you know what? These guys, they seem like they have a lot of chemistry. Well, the big thing is we had such a history with Clint. It was,
Starting point is 00:18:38 you know, 30 years of watching him get the girl. So it seemed, even though he's older, it still seemed conceivable that he could get Renee Russo. I admittedly don't,
Starting point is 00:18:45 didn't really go to Clint Eastwood movies for romance either. But yeah, this is actually like a pretty charming It was always a hole in the Clint you know, the Jeremiah Johnson was probably not Jeremy Johnson, what was the Western
Starting point is 00:18:57 Well, High Plains Drifter. What was the one where he loses somebody who loves? All of them. Well, I'm trying to think like the definitive one. Josie Wales. Yeah, Josie Wells. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Pale Rider, yeah. Oh yeah, Pale Rider's a good one because they wipe out his family. What's the one where they wipe out his family? I guess that's unforgiven. Josie Wales, he's a soldier. No, unforgiven they wipe out his family. Yes.
Starting point is 00:19:20 I mean, he's made a freaking million. movies. But one of his holes was he dated Sandra Locke forever. Yes. And he would always put her in his movies.
Starting point is 00:19:29 And let's just say she probably needed the work. Right. I don't think she was the world's strongest actress, but she was in his movies
Starting point is 00:19:37 for 10 years there. And they were always good parts, but it was always Sandra Locke. Yeah. But, you know, he was in,
Starting point is 00:19:44 when he did the every which, which way, but loose, like that combo, and we've talked about this before, but it's him
Starting point is 00:19:51 in an orangutan and he's driving a truck and he's just bare knuckle fighting people. There was no plot at all. There was no resolution. It's fucking amazing of the movies they used to make. It was the best. When they were making a sequel,
Starting point is 00:20:03 I remember me and my dad, we were like, I can't believe they made a sequel to this. We love this movie. So then he kind of aged into where he is. So it was conceivable with René Rousseau. We got to talk about René Rousseau,
Starting point is 00:20:14 though. I mean, she's a major league in 89, but then rips off in the 90s. She goes lethal weapon three, free jack, in the line of fire, outbreak, get shorty, Tim Cupp, Ransom, lethal weapon four, and Thomas Crown Affair. She's
Starting point is 00:20:31 the love interest of Clint Eastwood, Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, Pierce Brosnan, John Travolta, Dustin Hoffman. What a run. She's great, man. And she's married to Dan Gilroy. She was a night crawler,
Starting point is 00:20:47 and she still shows up and stuff. Do you know her whole story? So she was a fan. model in the 70s. Okay. Like really hit big, like was one of the biggest models in the world and had it, you know, like a distinct face. She was like unusual for models at that point
Starting point is 00:21:01 because they all had like a certain look. But she had like a cool kind of something. She always had like a old Hollywood vibe. Yeah. Yeah. So it took off and she was like a major, major model until she hit like, I don't know, 30. And then in the early 80s started acting
Starting point is 00:21:16 and then did Major League. But all of it happened for her super late. I had no idea. I was researching her because I was like, I wonder why her IMDB starts so late. She's like, oh, she has this incredible modeling career before. So, I mean, she's probably the most successful model-turned actress of all time. I remember seeing her. She's like Lauren Hutton, people like that, but not somebody who's in major movies like this.
Starting point is 00:21:38 I remember seeing her in major league and just be like, I'm madly in love with this person. Totally. So Tom Barringer felt the same way. But she just is ripping off hits and great roles. had a real place there for the 90s. And I gotta say, I think she has really good chemistry with Clint. She does.
Starting point is 00:21:57 She does. I totally believe it. It seems like the best part about it is that her skepticism about him is really believable. Like she's just kind of like, I get that this guy's charming, but he's kind of a dinosaur. He's a dinosaur chauvinist.
Starting point is 00:22:12 And then they have like one crazy night that they don't actually consummate. And then after the fact we're supposed to imagine that they're together, obviously. but like it's nice that they're not like she's not like oh my god this guy's so hot i can't wait to get with frank horrigan yeah a bit his balls are so saggy oh god you're like two out of three referencing the joints of guys in the last couple pods i have a lot of rene rousseau questions for this movie okay she really i don't know like all right so when she hits a certain age who took over
Starting point is 00:22:47 those roles i feel like a lot of people tried but nobody really nailed it like To me, this is, I was watching, I was on an airplane watching Fast 10. It was flying back from Boston. It was six hours. The DirecTV was going in and out. I'm like, all the movies. I was texting even Sean about this last week. Like, the airplane movie situation has never been worse.
Starting point is 00:23:07 Yeah. And I was like, I'm not watching Fast 10. I can't do it. I love that franchise. Fast 9 was, I couldn't stomach. And I know Fast 10 is worse. I'm just not going to do it. And then I'm looking around for 20 minutes.
Starting point is 00:23:20 I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to watch Fast 10. I'm not even happy about it, but I'm just going to watch it. It's my old friends. Maybe it'll be okay. It's abominable. But Breed Larson's in it. And she,
Starting point is 00:23:32 it's one of those performances where the cue cards are like right behind the actor she's acting with. Like she can't learn lines. I think it's because they're rewriting the movie as they're making it. It's just she's, we're like, oh no, you got to say this because we have like another car flying in from Mars. Vindy's just,
Starting point is 00:23:47 he just crossed off your dialogue and added this. Listen, this is not. not a shots at Brie Larson thing, but she's just, I really had hope for her as an actress. And this has been five years of just her making choices like this. I'm thinking like, why couldn't she have been Renee Rousseau for like seven years here and been in these awesome movies? I mean, I think it's more of an indictment of the fact that they don't even make movies like fucking Thomas Crown Affair anymore, where it's just like somebody could have a good time
Starting point is 00:24:12 making a real, like a realistic caper. Now it's like you either make a really small indie movie or you make a Marvel movie or a fast movie and there's nothing in between. that's the problem. All the movies that we do from 1993, most of the movies we do on rewatchables, are all those movies right in the middle that are like, you know what,
Starting point is 00:24:29 this is like a really good genre movie, and it's got a great movie star performances, and it's like... And it's well-written. It's so durable. It's like, did you find something new every time? So what's Renee Russo doing now? Is she in like freaking Fast 10?
Starting point is 00:24:40 No, she wasn't like, what do you mean? Like, what would Renee Russo literally be doing now? Long shots on Netflix right now is like the number two movie, and I watched it again this weekend. And I think I really like that movie now. I do really like that movie.
Starting point is 00:24:53 I didn't love it the first time. I told Craig. I was interested for Craig's take because he loves Rogan. He's like, oh, my generation doesn't acknowledge that movie. Did one of those. The way he said, he loves Rogan. He loves Seth Rogan. But that movie's really good.
Starting point is 00:25:08 Just really into the MMA updates. Yeah, just for the MMA. Some of the conspiracy stuff's out. That movie's really good. And she is unbelievable in it. And it's just like the kind of part. I'm like, why aren't there more parts like this? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:23 She's like, but that movie bombed. I know, the movie bombed. And I don't really know why it bombed. But I think it's really good. I liked it. Anyway, that was a Renee Russo part. Yes. Where it's like Secretary of State.
Starting point is 00:25:35 She's really adorable. You just love her. She's got her shit together. But she's so busy. She doesn't have time for anybody. And it's actually realistic that she might fall in love with the schlub. We should remake long shot for the geriatric set. And we just do Clint as the Seth Rogen,
Starting point is 00:25:49 like an aging vlogger. Clint finds Viagra. Yeah. God. This movie is directed by Wolfgang Peterson. I like aging vlogger. There's something there. Thanks for subscribing, guys.
Starting point is 00:26:06 That's Clint Eastwood. Unboxing a pair of first ones today. Wolfgang Peterson directed. He went commercial in the 90s, including the perfect storm an Air Force One in this movie but for the most part pretty interesting IMDB it's all over the place I mean he was directing in Germany
Starting point is 00:26:28 he's doing a lot of European films he does never ending story and Das Boot in the mid 80s it's like ah this guy's here and then he just rips off a bunch of really solid thrillers for the rest of the next 10 years great name Wolfgang Peterson just solid name
Starting point is 00:26:44 where do you stand on Das Boot I like Das Boot yeah it's not my favorite submarine movie I think you know what is and I don't know why you keep it from me. Do you want to do Submarine Month? Do you know that you know that Hunt for October is like my white whale? That's the one I really want. That's it for Subrain Month or just in general?
Starting point is 00:27:03 In general. Are there enough movies for Subrain Month? Well, we would have to re Crimson Tide, right? We'd do Hunt for October, Doss Boot. We'd only need one more. Cruising 2. Cruising 2 underwater. Cruising 2.
Starting point is 00:27:20 All right. So this movie, three Oscar nominations, Supporting Actor. Best Original Screenplay, Jeff McGuire. Yeah, a script that had been banging around for a while, which is kind of fun because then you can see all these different casting and director pairings that they had ideas for. And then Best Film Editing as well.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Yeah. So I do think that this movie led to a lot of White House movies that we had since. And most of them, they're okay. They're like movies that you see on Netflix. Netflix where it's like you see Jamie Fox's picture. Would they make two White Housedowns? They made, then they made the- Olympus has fallen. All those fallen ones were like, yeah, there's like a whole franchise of those.
Starting point is 00:28:02 24 had a whole season in the White House. So, you know, this is before that whole world. So 93, when this comes out, you're in Boston. Are you having Boston? I'm in Boston. Out of college? I just finished grad school. Is House in D.C. yet? House is in D.C. I want to know if House can speak to. why early 90s DC looks so cool in movies. Like it's just so, like the firm and this
Starting point is 00:28:28 Pelican brief, a few good man, you're just like, damn, do I fuck up and not live in Georgetown in 1993? See, I'm going the other way.
Starting point is 00:28:36 I feel like they haven't embraced DC enough the last like 15 years because there's no better shot than the monument in that whole body water. And it's just, it's one of the most iconic scenes you can throw.
Starting point is 00:28:47 I mean, this movie ends with it. Yeah. But I just think DC, San Francisco, parts of Boston, like certain cities when they become the character in the movie, this movie uses, I had this later for Woodson, The Best, this movie uses DC really well. $40 million budget. It made $187 million. It was the seventh biggest 1993 movie. And it had real buzz when it was coming out.
Starting point is 00:29:09 It was like, there was a lot of buzz about the summer that we had this and this is coming and this is coming. And it was just, it really felt like a special summer. and then it delivered. So obviously the premise of this podcast is movies that you just go watch again and again. There should be a special classification for movies that you immediately went back and saw in the theater.
Starting point is 00:29:30 And Jurassic Park, Fugitive, and in the line of fire are all three movies. I was like, I'm going back next weekend to go see this. This is so fucking entertaining. And you grab somebody who didn't see it. You're like, you gotta go see Fugitive. Out of all of them, I think Fugitive was my favorite.
Starting point is 00:29:46 Yeah. I'll go with that. And there's a reason it was one of the first ones I think I probably seen Jurassic more but there's a reason we might be doing it in Chicago January maybe
Starting point is 00:29:57 it Fugitive was just so fucking satisfying just the best I loved it our guy Roger Ebert three and a half he said thrillers are as good as their villains
Starting point is 00:30:10 and in the line of fire has a great one a clever slimy creep and then just goes through He said in the line of fire as a story similar to many of Eastwood's Dirty Harry movies, which is true. I think if you're going to ding this,
Starting point is 00:30:25 it does, if you watch the first Dirty Harry, especially, it does feel like that's the crazy version of this movie. But he said, when Frank is just like mercilessly killing counterfeiters? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:36 He said, it's a smart, tense, well-made thriller, Eastwood's best in the genre since Tightrope, 1984. Fucking love that movie. Wait a go, Raj. Tightrope, good one. You're on tight rope, right?
Starting point is 00:30:49 Yeah. That's a weird one. I still don't know what's going on with Clint in that movie. Clint's like exploring the studio space on that. So three and a stars. He's like Lindsey Buckingham and Tusk. Bag and tissue boxes. All right, today's most rewatchable scene is brought to you by the Home Depot.
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Starting point is 00:31:35 If Home Depot sold a 10-foot-tall Michael Myers, would you put it outside your house? Oh, yeah. Yeah. 15 feet tall. You got to wait until after Ben leaves for school to do that, just like empty nesters with Michael Myers.
Starting point is 00:31:47 dolls outside of your house. I feel like the decorations are getting better. Yeah. We were, there was this Halloween pop-up store a little bit near my house that we were walking through. And they had like $350 giant things. And they're like fucking scary. You're like, if you put, if I put this in my front yard, people might think I'm
Starting point is 00:32:05 actually murder it. It's probably all the special effects artists. They're like, I have no work to do. So I'm just making Halloween direct decorations. It's great stuff. It's what, it's honestly, it's not a top 10 reason to live out here, but it's in like the top 25. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:17 how Halloween is treated with the respect it deserves. That and LeBron. Most rewatchable scene. The boat scene in the beginning. So good. Good to see Tobin Bell. Pop them for me.
Starting point is 00:32:30 Show me I'm an asshole. Do you believe, so Frank knows the weight of a gun. Yeah. I mean, you knew the gun was empty, right? I mean, you knew from the weight of the gun that the chamber was empty. Am I right? Well, there could have been one bulletin.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Do you believe that he, would, that anyone would know the weight of a gun? If anyone did, it would be Klinis would. I saw this magician once. I'm sure there's a Navy SEAL guy on YouTube is like, I definitely know that weight of a gun. Right, watch this.
Starting point is 00:33:05 I saw a magician once do card tricks recently, like two months ago. Uh-huh. And he could tell by the way to the cards, like how many cards were left in the deck and stuff like that. He just put him in like 27, 19. And I watched it,
Starting point is 00:33:21 real time. And I was like, all right, this is something. So it makes me think like the bullet. Bullet is possible. You hold a gun enough time. So like, all right, that's a tiny bit light. Feels like two bullets in there. Yeah. I believe it. I believe it. Where do you stand on Tobin Bell? One of my favorites. So he's in the firm, right? Is it a no-bino? He's the guy who shows up with D. Norris from, from Brick-Bad. and shoots Busey.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Yeah. That's a great opening scene. Dylan McDermott with the bag pulled over his head. We'll get to him later. The next one I have is Clint meets everyone, which includes joking about a Super Bowl bet with the boys and then meeting Lily Raines and saying, secretaries get prettier and prettier.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And she says, and the field agents get older and older. And then he's kind of like, oh, I got a laugh wood on my hand. Yeah. Let me double down. I just want to see if you have. sense of humor. Al DeAndre? Frank, you know Matt Wilder?
Starting point is 00:34:25 Yeah, Matt. Frank? Still owes me 20 bucks from Super Bowl 21. He always liked Denver. This is Agent in charge Bill Watts. Bill? And Lily Wrains. Hello?
Starting point is 00:34:35 Willie. Secretaries get prettier and pretty around here. And the field agents get older and older. Lily's an agent, Frank. I know that. I just wanted to see if she had a sense of humor. Oh. Have a seat.
Starting point is 00:34:50 what an error this was you just be like old cranky chauvinist guy and it wasn't to be like Frank HR wants to see you exactly Lily's filed a formal complaint the movie's now over I didn't have this down but it is amazing to imagine the Twitter threads about Frank
Starting point is 00:35:09 you can't judge Frank it was 30 years ago openly hitting on her one of the guys it's so funny I love that they put stuff like this back in there in the 80s and 90s because it was always like, ah, this character is kind of a live wire.
Starting point is 00:35:28 Yeah. This is how he flirts with this woman. Insults them. Would not fly now. This scene is really funny, though. I like how she handles it, too. Like, she's like laughing at him and she's kind of like,
Starting point is 00:35:42 oh, this guy. The implication is that she calls the paramedics on him to get him back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I liked it. the second booth phone call he knows him as booth at this point the Malcovic character
Starting point is 00:35:56 when they do the JFK recap I think is really strong so that's the that's one of my favorite bits of Eastwood acting in this movie is it's when so this is the one there's like four
Starting point is 00:36:08 this is the one where Malcovich calls and he's like you know I think he the idea that you were you would be blamed for going out at night You know, and that like, like, as if you were in bed at 9 p.m., the president would be alive. And, like, Eastwood takes this beat, and he's just like, maybe they were right.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Yeah. It's really good. We've got so much in common. We do. Like what? We're both willing to trade our lives for the president by people we trusted. I wasn't betrayed. I sure you were, Frank.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Commission's report on the assassination. They called her procedures seriously to fish criticized you in the other age. In fact, they weren't right. He wanted to station agents on his bumpers and sideboards. He refused. And do you know why I think you refused? I think he refused because he had a death wish. He talked all the time.
Starting point is 00:37:20 His favorite poem was I have a rendezvous with death, which is not a good poem. And I think he didn't care that. I think he was the self-hap. He's really good in this movie. That also has the like, JFK's favorite poem was I have a rendezvous with death, which is not a very good poem.
Starting point is 00:37:45 Right. Next thing, Malcovich goes to the bank, deposits 50K and decides to kill the clerk because... She's from Minneapolis. She realizes that he's full of shit about what Minneapolis high school... Yeah. Where are you from? Minneapolis. You're kidding. So am I.
Starting point is 00:38:08 Wow. It's a small world. Oh, I hated the winners. Nine months of the year I'd stay indoors and pig out. I moved here and have lost 30 pounds so far. What high school did you go to? New Brighton High School. There isn't any New Brighton High School. Oh, there was when I was there.
Starting point is 00:38:33 Well, maybe I'm just confused. It happens a lot. Would you know right away if somebody made up like a Philadelphia or high school? No, there's so many like Cardinalists and Archbishop cats and Fri. No matter where I've lived in life, somebody could say right now, yeah, it's right near neighborhood. They could be like, I went to Archbishop Bill Simmons. I was like, oh, is that in Concha Hawkins? Like, I have no fucking idea.
Starting point is 00:38:53 Did he fund that? Yeah. The deciding to kill the clerk, the moment that he actually decides is just classic. This is a really good idea for you, by the way, post-ringer. Is Archbishop Bill Simmons? A charter school called Archbishop Simmons, where he just raised a bunch of kids to be like, you think you're better than me. It's just people from Massachusetts and basketball teams.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Yeah. You guys just watch the town. I texted Chris on Saturday night I was flying back from Boston and the TSA pre-check closes at 8 in Boston for some reason it's like just everybody in one line you think you better than me because
Starting point is 00:39:34 Hasn't Rissilo had a problem with this too? Didn't Rissila talk about this too? It's so nuts. Yeah. It's like, yeah, 8 o'clock cut off. It doesn't matter. Your TSA doesn't matter anymore. I like the clerk in this scene.
Starting point is 00:39:46 Can I ask you one more Boston question? Yeah. Have you been tempted at, any of Zoe's soccer games if somebody on the opposing team gets injured, turn into the parent going, there goes college soccer! I have that thought about that head.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Just an idea. We might have to do the retown soon. Next one I have is Clint gets ice cream with Lily, calls her window dressing, crosses a few lines, and says crazy things. I've never worked with a female. agent before. How many are there?
Starting point is 00:40:21 About 125. Hmm. Pure window dressing. Excuse me? A window dressing. About 125 out of a little over 2,000. They have you all around so the president can look good to his feminist voters. Do you make an effort to be obnoxious or is it a gift?
Starting point is 00:40:44 It's a gift. Let's face it, half the things we do are window dressing. or window dressing. Take running alongside that limousine. Take an head of tank missile to put a dent in that damn thing. There we are out for show, trying to make the president look more presidential. And then sits on the Lincoln Memorial and it's like if she looks back, that means she's interested.
Starting point is 00:41:07 And then she looks back. Yeah. Great stuff all the way around. I just don't think, I don't think men and women interact like this anymore. I do think that the, it's a great idea about like window dressing for, the president. He's like everything that we do is to make him look more presidential. Nothing could impact that car.
Starting point is 00:41:26 You think we could run next to a limine? You'd think if we didn't run next to a limousine, he's any safer or less safe? No way. And the bit about the demographic he represents is white piano playing heterosexuals over the age of 50. He's like, we're a powerful lobby. And I love
Starting point is 00:41:42 when he's like, well, Abe, damn, that you could have been there for you. The Dentothieves Benihana Award, scene stealing location. Wait, you're skip, that's it for rewatchable scenes?
Starting point is 00:41:54 No, I'm just, I'm giving the Lincoln Memorial the way they use it. I think, I think that wins. No, I got like five more scenes left.
Starting point is 00:42:01 We have a bronchitis, Clint melts down and fucks up protecting the president. That's fun. Yeah. We have, we have a booth calls Frank again, and he does the,
Starting point is 00:42:12 oh, we have is the game. I'm on offense, you're on defense. I like when we start really getting into that. What do you think Booth is like, Malcovich is apparently a huge expose guy, right? Is he? I think he was like a huge baseball fan,
Starting point is 00:42:24 but I think it was exposed. It may have been Blugees, but I'm not sure. We have Frank breaks into his house, gets jumped by the CIA, and the guy goes, there's what we call a wet boy. Assassin. Wet boy, we need to work that in more.
Starting point is 00:42:39 And then that goes right to Liri killing the two hunters with this homemade gun, which I enjoyed it. Yeah, why'd you shoot that bird, asshole? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we get the Lerry scream, when Lerie finally gets mad and screams at Clint. That's it.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Your voice is shaking. I never lied to you, Frank, and I never will. Why is it everyone who ever knew you said that you're a sick son of a bitch? Your colleagues, your wife? What does your wife say about you, Frank? Oh, we're not talking about me. Frank, you of all people, I want you to understand. Why should I understand?
Starting point is 00:43:11 Because we both used to think that this country was a very special. place. You don't know what I used to do. Oh, but you know about me? Do you have any idea what I've done for God and country some pretty fucking horrible things? I don't even remember who I was before they sunk their claws into me. That made you into a real monster. That's right. And now they want to destroy me because we can't have monsters roaming the quiet countryside now, can you? And we go right into the big chase scene. I agree. I think this is the most rewatched. Yeah, I mean, You could say if you wanted to cheat that the most rewatchable scene is the phone calls
Starting point is 00:43:47 because they feel like one scene. Yeah. But this is it. It's the... We both used to think this country was a wonderful place. I don't even remember who I was before they sunk their claws into me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:58 I say that to my wife all the time about you. The Swedes! I see you standing over the grave of another dead president. That's awesome. Pretty a threat. And then he does the... I'm going to give him the Ruffalo.
Starting point is 00:44:13 hand and Rubik Partridge overacting word right here even though it's effective. Do you know how many times I've watched you go in and out of that apartment? You're alive because I have allowed you to live. So you show me some goddamn respect! Really? Maybe doubt it up
Starting point is 00:44:32 20% too much. But we go right to the chasing. We get Clint running. We get that loser Dylan McDermott can't even get up there. It just gets like blown away. I can't wait to talk about him later. Yeah. I love roof chasing. I could also put this in what stage the best, but has there ever been an action movie like,
Starting point is 00:44:53 oh, they're gonna run on the roof and there's gonna be that one part where the one guy jumps, then the other guy's about to jump? Did you ever do any rooftop shit when you were a kid? No. Okay, so I didn't really, but there was always the kid who was like, I can make that jump.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Like, you're up on a kid's roof, and he was just like, I can jump that over that alley, and usually he would be able to do it. I was never there when a kid fell to his death. But it's like, it's fucking, crazy what we did for fun back in the 80s and 90s. And the rooftop, I love rooftop changes. What other rooftops? I should have googled this.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Untouchables has a great rooftop change. Godfather has the walking as he follows. He's just walking up the Don, but he's not running. He's not chasing him. There's a few. I think Vertigo's got a great one, right? Mission Impossible, I feel like always has one. Yeah, he's always fucking running on roofs. Does Taken 2 have one? I feel like Taken 2
Starting point is 00:45:42 might have one. I like rooftop things. Quink gets saved by Malcovich, who puts Clint's gun in his mouth like he's blowing it and it's fucking weird and it's great and he improvised it
Starting point is 00:45:54 and I can't imagine what Clint thinks the movie goes technicaler when that happens he's like oh my God what is happening and then dumb ass Dylan McDermann I got him
Starting point is 00:46:03 anyway that whole scene's great then we have Clint figures out who the assassin is the James Carney and the gun and that ending and then the elevator scene the AM high
Starting point is 00:46:15 yeah that's it I just want to point out, I love when bad guys break light bulbs. Oh, and they shatter all the light bulbs so they can be seen. Yeah, and just like just breaking the shit. Great little bit, though, with the walkie-talkie to be able to tell Lily to aim high. So we have the same rewatchable scene. Yes, it's the last phone call.
Starting point is 00:46:31 The president is coming home from California in a fucking box and then into the chase. So that is today's most rewatchable scene brought to by the Home Depot. Finish the movie marathon. That is your holiday season prep with the help of the Home Depot. They've got everything you need to add some joy to your home with outdoor decor like bold inflatables and your favorite characters of great values. Give yourself the gift of a stress-free holiday season with the Home Depot, grand finale, if there ever was one.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Visit Home Depot.com to learn more. So what's age the best? Mentioned a couple already. How about Kennedy assassination wall shrines from psychopaths? Old school, I'm dangerous wall collage. First one. You and me, man. Do they do those anymore?
Starting point is 00:47:13 They still do assassination wall collages. And I think Homeland kind of killed. it. I think Homeland was so crazy when Claire Danes went nuts in that show. And then it was like the I'm, it's always sunny in Philadelphia meme of like he's making the collage and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's the best. I love bad guys
Starting point is 00:47:29 who are like, what I'm going to do is collage. I have one of those from Matt Canada. First and ten. Or did it in the shape of a maple leaf? Off tackle run. Yeah. I love while Sean. Do you say on fucking Sunday night you were like, I think what Matt Canada is doing is
Starting point is 00:47:48 he's lulling people to sleep. Yeah. I told Craig that theory the other day. I genuinely think they have... The rope-a-dope. They're like boxers, just trying to rope you in. And then all of a sudden, George Pickens is Jerry Wright's for five minutes. So you think the internet killed Wall Shrines?
Starting point is 00:48:05 Yeah. That's sad. Couldn't you just print stuff out on Google? I guess it's not the same. But like you wouldn't... I think also maybe the kind of person who used to make a collage is now writing like manifestos or like has a... But we need to go back to those because now if you do anything online, like it's traceable.
Starting point is 00:48:24 You've got to just print that shit out. Right. You're off the grid. Right. You know, it's like cash now. This is an interesting way, place for you to jump in. Well, so now would Malcrovich's character, Leary, would he be on Reddit conspiracy? No, he would be on some like deep 4chan type.
Starting point is 00:48:45 Like, I'm, I mean, I don't know. Maybe he was a man of action. He didn't feel the need to connect to other people. But he obviously feels the need to connect to Frank. But I just don't think collages are big for these guys. He was initially excited about doing this whole presidential thing. But then he found like the Philadelphia 76ers Reddit. Just dove in.
Starting point is 00:49:06 The processed. It's like, oh, my God. We gave way Jimmy Butler. It's not about getting Terrence man. It's what we get for, Terrence man. Just deep into Philly. So at one point somebody says, face it, Frank, you're too old for this shit.
Starting point is 00:49:22 And I just have you're too old for this shit as what's age the best. Either when somebody says that to the character or the character says it to himself, always good. Always effective for these. 1990s Castle Rock? Yep. 1990s Castle Rock, D.C., I had the Castle Rock just cooking city slickers. Misery.
Starting point is 00:49:40 Seinfeld. Yeah. Yeah, DC, 1990s, D.C. How about functional alcoholic cops who say stuff like, is it because I'm considered a borderline burnout with questionable social Social skills. That's our hero. The movie says that.
Starting point is 00:49:56 This was the first time that the Secret Service offered its full cooperation in the making of a movie. I'm going to give that what's age the best. Thank you. Thank you, Secret Service. Thanks for thinking of us. It's weird because it's like the Secret Service cooperating on a movie about their biggest L.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Yeah, right. I didn't think of that. It would be like you're producing a New York Giants documentary. Eli Manning. I wrote down Horny Clint flirting with Lily. As what's age the best? No, when he says, it's strange that the only sympathy I get these days
Starting point is 00:50:27 is from a would-be assassin or a woman I tend to annoy. I like self-aware, chauvinous flurters in the 90s. But in general, Horny Clint, which he dove into in tightrope and did it a couple times. But I think it was this side that was lurking in him that he just kind of let out a couple times from the audience. But it was in there. Tightrope's a really weird movie.
Starting point is 00:50:47 I have what's age the best Tiny assassination binoculars Oh yeah The little ones that only assassins have They're like so tiny I don't know how I see through him Kudos to Larry I thought he had a pretty good scheme
Starting point is 00:51:03 I mean really well thought out $50,000 he gets invited To this fundraising dinner There's no second chapter to it That's the thing is like he's just like I'm willing to die to do this I know I'm probably not getting out of that ballroom alive But I got this wooden gun
Starting point is 00:51:17 that I spent a lot of time on we're all good. How about homemade wooden guns? What's aged the best or what's age the worst? Does it scare you that they could work that easily? This generation of political assassins dedicate enough time into the wood shop to get that done.
Starting point is 00:51:32 The last one I have is just that Malcolm Hodge outfits and disguises. I like when our bad guy in a movie is also really good at changing his look. Having hair. I love it. It's gaining a bunch of weight by eating spaghetti.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Yeah, yeah. He's got like the Michael, Phelps like 5,000 calorie diet. What else do you have for? What stage is the best? I thought that on this viewing a particular, like the footage of young Clint mixed into JFK stuff like works really well. Yeah. I think probably because in this case there is so much footage of young Clint.
Starting point is 00:52:06 Yeah. He could work it out well. A whole decade in the 60s of he's on TV shows. But he kind of looks like a secret service. Yeah, he does. You know? And I thought, so I thought all that stuff really worked well. One of the low-key best scenes is the night.
Starting point is 00:52:19 before the assassination attempt in Los Angeles when he describes Dallas that day. And he says like, ah, it's a beautiful warning. You know, it's a really, really nice little note, but the fading in
Starting point is 00:52:30 and having Clint be in it, it's just really, really cool. I fucking love the elevator at the Bonaventure. Yeah. And it's still there. And whenever I would drive by it,
Starting point is 00:52:40 I used to be like, that's the in the line of the fire. That's true. That's like a historic elevator. Yeah, and people would be like, who gives a shit, but I'd be like,
Starting point is 00:52:46 yeah, it's fucking Mitch Lerry is up in the elevator. So what are the other great movie elevators then? Silence of the Lambs, wherever that was. I feel like a couple of people, there's a couple of like... Dyerhard? Is there an elevator and diard?
Starting point is 00:52:59 Was there a diehard elevator thing? He's just at the top of the tower. He doesn't... The elevator and diehard, he puts the guy in it and wraps him up and he says, ho, ho, ho, motherfucker. Now I have a machine gun. Yeah. Sounds of the lambs is probably the best kind of use of an elevator other than this movie.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Yeah. The other... Oh, Dress to Kill? I guess. Dress to Kill as a good elevator, yeah. Yeah. So I had that. I had, um,
Starting point is 00:53:25 Sally and Pam's answering machine, outgoing answering machine a message. Yeah. And back when people used to do creative, dramatic, like kind of skits for their answering machine messages, like, we're either here or out having fun.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Right. Like, back when people were roommates and left joint answer machine messages. Did you do that? I think we did. Yeah. I think Jeff and I used to play Halloween music and do that whole thing. Really?
Starting point is 00:53:48 Yeah. Talk like Dr. Loomis. And then there's one moment where when Booth is, or Leary is on his way to Wisconsin to test his gun. First of all, I love when assassins make unnecessary trips. Like, just like, I got to go to Denver. I got to go to Wisconsin.
Starting point is 00:54:06 It's like, why? But he goes out there and he's dressed just like Hunter S. Thompson. I thought that was a great Malcovic twist. Yeah. That's a good one. Would you have for the Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food or Drink? They don't eat a lot in this movie.
Starting point is 00:54:20 It's mostly Mitch eating food that makes me feel like I should go on a diet. Spaghetti, the big bite of spaghetti. Yeah, but it's like spaghetti. That's like worse use of food or drink. It's almost like Mitch Leary's diet should be its own rewatchable. Grossest use of food. Great shot Gorder Award, most cinematic shot. I had the last shot.
Starting point is 00:54:38 You have anything different? Yeah. When Leary's talking about God and Country and he kind of like walks into the shadow of his own apartment. And like there's like a beam of light at the top. of his head, but the rest of his body is kind of in shadow. It's really really chilling. The Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure
Starting point is 00:54:56 This Character was actually good at his job. John Mahoney, like, maybe don't bring the old Emotionousalcars J. F.K. Assassination Secret Service guy back on a main duty? Yeah, exactly. It's like the bills are like, hey, we got a field goal kicker. It's Scott Norwood. One more chance.
Starting point is 00:55:13 So imagine this would be basically for me if I was just like, man, the end of Game of Thrones was great. And I had a complete nose dive. And you bring me back way later. Just to do culture analysis. On Prestige TV pod, you can...
Starting point is 00:55:30 One more time. Recap Peaky Blinder. Right. Let's start you off slow. But you wouldn't be like you're on... Guess the lines on Super Bowl night, which is essentially what John Mahoney does with... That's terrible. He's basically doing the guy of favorites.
Starting point is 00:55:44 It's the fucking president. What are you doing? I can see it with like the number five Washington person. The Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. Arguably, it could have been the John Mahoney decision. But I just don't know what's going on with Dylan McDermott's character in this movie. It's easily the weak link of the film. My Stephen A. Smith hottest take for this movie is,
Starting point is 00:56:02 are we sure a tackling dummy wouldn't have been a better Secret Service agent than Dylan McDermott. He's just completely overwhelmed. Yeah. He can't problem solve at all. He doesn't even know how to get around in D.C. He's like, oh, where the fuck am I? Connecticut Avenue of Florida? Like, I don't know what's going on.
Starting point is 00:56:19 energy is totally wrong. He keeps saying it off to Najee Harris first and second down. He's just, I don't know why they made him such a doofus. Yeah. So then when he, he's, I got him! And he was like, of course he gets shot, but he's just a freaking idiot.
Starting point is 00:56:35 It just doesn't, it seems like what would he best be suited to do as a Secret Service agent? Because it's not discovering counterfeiters. It's certainly not, he doesn't have the sort of spine to work. You, the first trade is you have to be fearless to Secret Service section.
Starting point is 00:56:50 There's a chance you might have to jump in front of a bullet. He's got a lot of fear. That's trait number one. This guy is completely terrified. That's awesome. In Dylan McDurton's job interview, he was like, I love spending time with my family and I'm really afraid. I hope nothing happens.
Starting point is 00:57:06 I would love to work for the Secret Service, but those are my two conditions. This character's so bad that I actually held it against Dylan McDermott for like a long time. I was just like, ah, that's the dofest from that in the line of fire. kind of character. I mean, in some ways, that means it's a great performance because I think about Al a lot. Like, in this movie, you're like,
Starting point is 00:57:25 Al kind of hovers over it. A worst case scenario? Yeah. It's really weird. I don't know why they did it that way. What'd you think of, would you think of Al, correct? No, I mean, a pretty big myth.
Starting point is 00:57:35 Yeah. I agree. The Matt Canada of Secret Service agents. An unnecessary miss. There's lots of ways that could have gone, too. You know, and I don't know, maybe he could have been too young. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:59:00 You don't like this Ennio Morricone's score? I don't like the opening score. I just didn't think it worked. It felt cheesy. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Morricone.
Starting point is 00:59:11 Movie scenes that end on crucial answer machine messages have aged the worst. It's never happening anymore. He's just listening to that on his phone. I like the idea. though, that you're talking about the last scene. Yeah, when in him and Renee Russo leave his apartment as I almost like the idea that like
Starting point is 00:59:29 there's, there's almost, it's almost making fun of Leary's self-regard. Yeah, what I mean? Like, now this guy's dead, so who cares what he had to say? We mentioned Clint's sexual harassing. I would say, fair to say, probably is age to worst. They're still figuring out the HR complaint. The word
Starting point is 00:59:46 cockamamie? Who's last time we heard that word? That's the point. Clint's trying to get it going and it wasn't even 93, wasn't working. I had the photoshopping of the old Malcovic pictures, I thought didn't work. Clint's ones look good. Malcovich. So is that supposed to be him from killing fields or anything? Because it I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what that looked like.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Wasn't great. I thought murdering Sally and Pam could have been a little bit better. They did these like jump cuts of just like two broken neck moves. Really hard to break somebody's neck, first of all. Wasn't as scary as I wanted it to be. Pretty useless German Shepherd. German Shepherd? I feel like that that German Shepherd's pulling away
Starting point is 01:00:24 and somehow getting off the leash. So, Malcovich apparently wanted to also have him kill the dog and Wolfgang Peterson's like, no, no, no, no. Settled down, Johnny. So they didn't do that. Malcovich was like,
Starting point is 01:00:37 no bad ideas in a brainstorm. What if I snapped this dog's neck? The Bonaventure in L.A. is now the Weston Bonaventure. Still has the elevator, as Chris mentioned. That's a what's aged the worst for me because it's just weird to stay in that hotel where it had this huge murder.
Starting point is 01:00:56 It's fun to go there, but I don't know if I'd want to stay there. I can't remember if I don't think I ever stayed there when I first was coming out here. I'd be freaked up with the elevator. And then last but not at least, you know, no Viagra for Clint, age 62. René Russo has some needs.
Starting point is 01:01:12 93. It's her you really rolling the dice. What's up with you and Clint's Cockton, you really? You're really rolled the dice if you're Renee Russo. Yeah. You better hope. the sergeant can come to attention.
Starting point is 01:01:24 Any other than what stage is the worst? Yeah. What guys used to do for small talk before the internet? There's a bunch of scenes of this movie. Like the first time that Clint picks up Al, and I was like, oh, my wife had to leave early for work today. My kid didn't want to go to school.
Starting point is 01:01:41 It's like, now he would definitely just be like, hey, I heard this Andrew Huberman podcast about staring at the sun. You want me to send you a link? They needed some sports combo or something What do you think the Redskins have it again this year? I don't know, maybe.
Starting point is 01:01:57 Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Dylan McDermott. Was Joe Gibbs like still coaching back then? Ron Burgundy, Flewed Award, best time for a pee break. What do you have?
Starting point is 01:02:06 You know, this movie's pretty tight. I didn't. There's a couple of montages. I just put question marks because I felt like I never got bored the whole time. You could probably go on the first
Starting point is 01:02:17 montage of the president. whistle stop tour across America, you know, and it's basically like Leary going around and... Yeah. He's like opening up bank accounts and stuff, but like after he's killed Pam. Kind of liked all the Leary scenes. I don't really have an answer for that.
Starting point is 01:02:32 Was there a better title for this movie? I think it could have been called Line of Fire. And I think we're fine. Okay. I don't know if that's a better title, but I'll allow it as like an alternative. In the Line of Fire or Line of Fire? In the Line of Fire is better.
Starting point is 01:02:46 Line of Fire just... Then we're close to man on fire. Best quote, you can always tell a man by his eyes. Feel free to put that in your senior yearbook, Craig. That way, you graduated. Can I always tell a man by his eyes? Not untrue. All right, so Stephen A.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Wait a second. You have a rendezvous with my ass motherfucker is the best quote. Yeah, that's pretty good. Stephen A. Smith-Hottis take award. You already did yours. Renee Rousseau, most entertaining actresses. the 90s. More than Julia Roberts?
Starting point is 01:03:21 Yeah. Not even close, actually. Not even close. Wait a second. Not close. Not close. I'm going to read you the list again. Major League Zadena.
Starting point is 01:03:34 No. Lethal weapon three, free jack in the line of fire, outbreak, get shorty, tin cup, ransom, lethal weapon for Thomas Crown Affair. It's nine fucking movies that are all incredibly entertaining and rewatchable movies. I even defend Freejack. Julia, no.
Starting point is 01:03:49 Julia had like three. Julia had... Pretty woman. Pretty woman was 89 or 90? Pretty woman is... I thought it was 89. 90. Okay, 90, pretty woman.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Flatliners. Uh-huh. My best friend's wedding. Notting Hill? I'm looking up Julia Roberts. She doesn't have nine. Tell you that much. If you're a Desert Island
Starting point is 01:04:12 and it could be like, I'll take all the 90s Julie Roberts library. All right, Bill, just settle down here. Pretty Woman. flatliner sleeping with the enemy. The player Pelican brief. That's solid. It's five.
Starting point is 01:04:24 My best friend's wedding. Six. Conspiracy theory. That movie sucked. Notting Hill, runaway bride, and then it ends with Aaron Brockovich in 2000. I rest my case. Renee Russo, baby. It's a winner.
Starting point is 01:04:36 If I was giving you, all right, you take these DVDs. Here's door A, Rousseau, door B, Roberts. You're taking Rousseau. You are. You're taking Julie Roberts? I can't tell if you're doing Steve A. Smith or if you really hate this. Should I do bad, Doug? Yeah, take you Renee Rousseau every time, Chris Ryan.
Starting point is 01:04:54 I got a gummy. I got $20,000 on the buffs and I got René Rousseau for the entire 90s. There's got to be Renee Rousseau. I can't believe this. It's definitely 100% René Rousseau, and she doesn't get enough credit. Bullock's in there. Okay. Do Bullock.
Starting point is 01:05:10 Do the Bullock 90s. Because you got Love Potion number 9. You have the vanishing, you have speed, you have while you were sleeping. Bullock, 90s. Love potion number nine, the vanishing thing called love, demolition man. Speed while you were sleeping, the net. Oh, my God. A time to kill, speed to.
Starting point is 01:05:34 Oh, what a run. Practical magic. Yeah. Forces of nature. So yeah, maybe. That's it. She tails off a little bit in the 90s. She was right there with Russo. That's what makes the Russo.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Russo finishes with Thomas Crown. which is a great movie. Amanda Dobbins' favorite movie. That's one where if we did Thomas Crown Affair and Amanda wasn't on the rewatchable.
Starting point is 01:05:52 Yeah, there's a couple The resignation comes like the next day. For me, it's on for October. For Juliet, it's almost famous for Amanda. It's Thomas Crown. Yeah. What do you think it's fantasies?
Starting point is 01:06:02 I think we've done all the fantasy ones. He's just ready to leave. Yeah. The casting what ifs. Dustin Hoffman was originally supposed to play Frank with Michael Aptead directing.
Starting point is 01:06:14 So this script has been Was bouncing around I think from 87 5 foot 6 secret agent See here's the there is something here though So one of the things With Hoffman? No here's what I would love to have seen Yeah Among other people linked with playing Frank was
Starting point is 01:06:30 Hoffman Redford Hackman Tommy Lee Jones Sean Conry You go Redford is Frank and Hoffman is Mitch Oh like a reunion Yeah Little All the President's men reunion That's not bad I think Justin would have been a good Mitch
Starting point is 01:06:45 He never really played a character Like did he play a crazy character? Not really Not a villain like that, yeah Apparently Eastwood once he locked in They offered the role of Larry to De Niro But he was doing a Brock's tale
Starting point is 01:06:59 Yeah So De Niro basically would have done The This Boy's Life Cape Fair character I'm kind of glad that I'm saving it all for the fan Yeah Hold on I'm gonna be able to ump in a rainstorm
Starting point is 01:07:09 In a World Series And then allegedly Glenn Close and Sharon Stone turned down the role of Lily. The other two people who were up for or talked about for Lurie and Booth
Starting point is 01:07:18 were Ed Harris and Wollum DeFoe, both of whom I think would have done a great job too, but nobody would have done what Malcovich did. And then I liked Bill Pullman or
Starting point is 01:07:25 William Baldwin as Al. Bill Palman as Al, I like that one. Yes. Yeah, that's solid. Best That Guy Award. So we have some graduates from the Best That Guy group.
Starting point is 01:07:38 These were former that guys who then became who they are. Fred Thompson. He was a That Guy forever. now he's Fred Thompson. Tobin Bell. Gary Cole? Yeah, he's not.
Starting point is 01:07:48 At some point he became Gary Cole. I don't think he's a that guy, yeah. But he was a that guy for a while. In 93 he was the that guy for sure. John Mahoney was the that guy for a while and then became John Mahoney. I think he didn't say anything. But for years before say anything,
Starting point is 01:07:59 he was the that guy. So Brian Libby is not, he's Brian Libby to me, but I think he's the that guy to most people. He was the killer in Silent Rage. He's in Shawshank. He's one of the group. Okay.
Starting point is 01:08:10 In Shawshank. He's in this movie. He's been in a million things. He's the guy. who's like, oh shit, we can't tell him. Yeah. He's been in a lot of stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:18 And then Josh Molina became Josh Molina. Yeah. Eventually. Clyde Kusatsu and Steve Hittner, who are the guys who run the traces on Larry's calls, are that guys? So I have Clyde who has 313 IMDB credits. He's the Asian guy of Mahoney's crew. Yeah. I don't even know how many things I've seen him in, and I had no idea what his name was until I looked it up.
Starting point is 01:08:41 And then the other one I have is. briefly at one of the meetings that they're having in the Secret Service, Anthony Peck, who's one of the cops in Die Hard with a Vengeance, who's riding around with McLean all day, and he's that guy. I have Kenny Banya from Seinfeld. He's in this. I don't know what that guy's name is. Is he one of the hunters?
Starting point is 01:09:01 No, he's like in the, he's working for the FBI or the CIA. He has like one quick scene. So Clyde and Kenny were my runner-ups, and the winner is, there's a wheel. wheelchair gun expert, the guy they bring in the guy in the wheelchair. That guy is amazing. That was Professor Finley from 902.1. No way. Pivotal 902.1. This Craig, cult professor on 902102 who was like a sociology professor, but he was really like secretly a cult. Polzing Kelly Taylor. And it's like this five episode arc and the guy's like basically ruining the college.
Starting point is 01:09:37 Great stuff. I don't know what that guy's name is. I just know him as Professor Finley. Yeah. Well, his character in his movie is one of my. favorite things where he's just like Mitch bought me this wheelchair and I bought this Glock. Right. And then we never seen him again. Deon Waiter's Award, he's up there.
Starting point is 01:09:55 I like the suspicious bank clerk. Fred Thompson. Tobin Bell just for one scene. Yeah. Who else do you have? I have Rails back. This Coppenter, the Sagan. He's coming in. I'm getting my identification, okay? And he was in the stuntman. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:12 Well, he also put Manson. He was the best Manson we've ever had. That's a way back when. Brave shot. Yeah. I'm going to go Rales back. John Hurd's pretty good. Is the guy who's like, oh, you should go talk to this guy in Arizona.
Starting point is 01:10:23 He knows everybody. It felt like a waste of John Hurd. Yeah. I wonder if there was some more Hurd. I wanted to see him like playing a handball with Josh Baskin. A couple more scenes of that. Recasting Couch.
Starting point is 01:10:37 So, Jim Curley is the president. And the president's like not really in a character. Why not go fun here? I was thinking Robert Ridgley from the Colonel for Boogie Nights. Just somebody I know who's like, oh, or Philip Baker Hall.
Starting point is 01:10:51 See, you don't ever want to do modern day recasting couch. Oh. Well, for 30 years ago, would you have rather done Delmet Mulroney or Dylan McDermott for that part? Is it better with Delmet Mulroney? Dermit Mulroney?
Starting point is 01:11:03 Could you switch Dermit Melrooney? I think Dylan McDermott is good at being this kind of not-need guy. it's a bad match of actor and character so if you're doing it now who would you have this is the last Denzel action movie oh he's 68 in real life
Starting point is 01:11:23 he can play 63 convincingly he's already got all the tools all the skills the problem is we can't even make this movie now because the JFK whatever you could do like a fictional like yeah set it in yeah why Denzel gets like
Starting point is 01:11:37 disgraced who knows but then I was trying to think of who could be Mitch and I was like maybe Jillen Hall. You know, Jillen Hall is like this assassin chasing down the president. So evil Jillen Hall. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:51 Would you go Gosling? I don't know if he's like electrifying enough. He's got to like really blow up. You know? We could do one last run around the block for Denzel and Russell Crow together. I don't know. But I think Russell moves
Starting point is 01:12:05 I don't know. He's in shape. Yeah. Bree Larson? Just get her a good role. Is that new Apple show good? No. Sorry. What am I going to do
Starting point is 01:12:17 with all my Brie Larson stock? I have fucking amazing amounts of it. Has invested? I'm Brie Larson stock and Spotify stock. Yeah, Denzel's a good one for this. He doesn't acknowledge his age in quite the same way that Quint did, though. Denzel was always like defying his age.
Starting point is 01:12:35 It would be cool if he did a part like this where he kind of was like, I'm just going to have like a sense of humor and kind of make fun of myself a little bit, be vulnerable you know half as let's take a break actually
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Starting point is 01:14:04 but Air Force One, they had to build it from scratch at a cost of $250,000. $250,000. What happens to those sets after they're done? They just like dismantle them? So they don't recycle them ever? They're not like a lot. Air Force one that we got.
Starting point is 01:14:19 So the president's re-election campaign, they had to digitally alter footage from the Bush and Clinton campaigns from that year. They had enough technology now to be able to digitalize some of the stuff for re-digital. Same thing with the Clint Eastwood stuff.
Starting point is 01:14:36 So Clinton praised this movie and was really into it. And then they had a whole debate about whether they should use that in the marketing of the movie that the president liked it. Like Bill Clinton being like two thumbs up. Yeah, I loved it.
Starting point is 01:14:46 they decided not to. I love this one. Malkovich lived in seclusion for over a month. He didn't leave his house, wouldn't talk on the phone, wouldn't watch television, and wanted to connect
Starting point is 01:14:59 with Mitch Lerry's sense of isolation. I love when actors do this. But apparently when he was on the set, he was like a real pro and was just like bullshit with the guys. Costs four million bucks to do all the digital stuff in this movie. The original trailer
Starting point is 01:15:15 of this movie sounds, I couldn't find it online, but it starts with November 22nd, 1963 on large letters, and then Leary's talking about killing the president, and the clock ticks in the background, and it changes from 63 to 93, and then it cuts to Clint,
Starting point is 01:15:34 and after the guys talk about it, he's going to kill the president, and Clint goes, that's not going to happen. And everyone in the audience laughed, and they had to redo the trailer. Oh, really? They just mangled it. Yeah, it was bad.
Starting point is 01:15:45 And then there was a whole Columbia Castle Rock debate about this movie that ended up like Castle Rock leaving Columbia. They were fighting about who deserved more credit, who did enough work,
Starting point is 01:15:58 and they cut ties the following year. Apex Mountain. Clint, obviously not. Malkovich? Is this his most famous performance? I mean, do you think this or Rounders is the most famous?
Starting point is 01:16:12 But Rounders wasn't successful when it came out, you know? In the years since, it's kind of gone on to like, kind of grow a lot. So I was thinking that being John Malcovic is actually his Apex Mountain.
Starting point is 01:16:23 You're probably right. He's in the title of a movie. Done by a really well-respected director, that's got to be his Apex Mountain. Plus, Rounders was starting to gain steam at that point. This movie was rewatchable the entire 90s. It was on all the time. Dangerous liaisons.
Starting point is 01:16:37 They remade and cruel intentions. Rousseau, no. Probably 10 cup for her. Yeah. We haven't done 10 cup yet. she's unbelievable in that movie. Absolutely love her. Really good Don Johnson.
Starting point is 01:16:52 Great job by her. She's in our favorite two for the money, too. That's right. I'm gambling again. That's right. She's Al Pacino's girlfriend in that. Yeah. Not one of her better roles.
Starting point is 01:17:07 No. Tobin Bell now. Roof chases. Pretty good roof chases. It's pretty great. It's pretty great. I'd like to open that up to the people. Maybe putting Chris, Chris's Twitter replies
Starting point is 01:17:22 if there's a better roof chase. It's like we're missing one. Born supremacy. Oh. Skyfall. Matrix. I don't know. I'd put this one up against it.
Starting point is 01:17:36 Because this one has so much drama to it when he puts the gun in his mouth. Yeah. Assassination movies? I think JFK probably takes it. Yeah, I agree. Wolfgang Peterson. Probably Dasboot, too.
Starting point is 01:17:51 Dasboot, the sequel? The sequel, yeah, $300 million. Weston Bonaventure, no question. Yeah. The era of adult thrillers? Yeah, I think. Somewhere in the 90s here. I think supercharged.
Starting point is 01:18:09 92 to 94. Genre movies like this. It's like the firm and this and, you know, modern adult thrillers. 93 movies. Washington, D.C. is a movie location, no. Because what, you think all the president's been is? Yeah, probably.
Starting point is 01:18:25 Yeah, that's like around three days of the condor, too. it's like the 70s paranoid thriller. Yeah. Pickin' Nets. Oh my God. A cynical, loveless, legitimately owed alcoholic request to be assigned to protect the current president.
Starting point is 01:18:39 And they're like, sure thing. They're not even like, we've got to run it up the flagpole. They're just like, all right. Hold on. Can you take a fitness test first? Nope. They're like, sure thing. Back right.
Starting point is 01:18:47 Tomorrow. If I just go up to Rob Thompson right now and I'm like, I really want to pitch in game seven. I've been dying to do it. All right. I hesitate every time with, movies to do this because I know part of losing yourself in a movie is you don't try to think about stuff like this. But Renee Rousseau's married in this movie. There's no way she's single.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Right. She's like, man, if only I could find true love, oh, here's Frank, the fucking alcoholic with demons. He's 20 years older than me. This is my guy. I don't know that he's supposed to be like a raging alcoholic. I think he just went out the night before Kennedy got killed. And it was the 60s, man. She's married with two kids. People are locking her down. And maybe she's divorced because she picked the wrong one, but she's still got some sort of family. Clint gets fired after fucking up the president's speech
Starting point is 01:19:39 and they have to pull him into the back of the thing. At that point, he's just out. I think after that was like, oh, man, that was so embarrassing when we had to jump in front of the president but nothing. It was just a couple of balloons popping. I feel like he's pulled out of this whole thing.
Starting point is 01:19:57 He's out of the entire infrastructure, never to be seen again. That's about as bad. a mistake as you can make as a Secret Service agent. If you pull it the thread too much about the Secret Service decision-making thing, it really gets your confidence in the Secret Service. But this is like nine times watching this movie.
Starting point is 01:20:12 We're like, wait a second. Yeah, but there's like a whole thing where like every meeting is basically Clinton being like, this is a credible threat against the President's life. And they're like, just get this guy away from me. I don't want to hear about it. The President's got to go to Denver.
Starting point is 01:20:25 Yeah. Larry, the assassination is foiled. he shoots Clint instead of the president. They hustled the president out. Larry is immediately shot to death in real life. He's only got one other bullet. If he's not shot to death,
Starting point is 01:20:42 10 people are jumping on him. Somehow he's able to pull Frank who has a bulletproof vest with a bullet in it and he's able to pull him over to the elevator in the main lobby and then press floor 24. What happened?
Starting point is 01:20:57 I guess you could say into the confusion of all the guys who were taking the president out, but yeah. I mean, we say this in half the movies we do, but why didn't Larry just kill Clint in the elevator? He followed his thing. It's the longest victory.
Starting point is 01:21:12 The dance is done. He's got to do his whole, just fucking shoot him in the head. It's done. That'll be your one victory. And then Clint's talking into his thing. Yeah, and also, Leary has thought of everything, and he's just like, the fact that Frank is clearly not speaking to him,
Starting point is 01:21:27 but speaking isn't setting off any alarms. Yeah. Tough. Any other nitpicks? Well, I guess this was more common back then before like the glory days of fan duel. But like to me, if a guy hadn't paid me my 20 bucks from Super Bowl 21 and it was like 1992, I'd be like, yo, man. Yo, Tommy. You owe me 20 bucks, Tommy. Where is it?
Starting point is 01:21:47 Adjusted for inflation. That's probably like 40, 50 bucks right there. Like, God. Also, that guy has a real job with real responsibility. Like, you don't really want to be the bet welcher. It's like the fourth highest guy in the government. And so the idea is that did Clint, doesn't they say that Clint bet the spread and the Giants covered?
Starting point is 01:22:10 Isn't that like the whole thing? Giants, it's Giants bills. Yeah, no, it was Giants Broncos. It was Giants Broncos. And Giants were like 10-point favorites or like 9-point favorites. Oh, yeah, Giants covered in that. I also think a nitpick is just two years after JFK comes out, Clint Eastwood's character just being like, ah,
Starting point is 01:22:29 it's just Oswald, good old fed. shooting from a six-four. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. They're just very credulous about like the Warren report. We'll never know. I have a picking knit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:41 So just like anybody could scramble calls and the U.S. government could do nothing about it. But he's a wet boy. He's got like the tech. But like this over and over, like there's just nothing they can do. He's got like a little briefcase with a couple wires in it. And he's just untraceable. He's got some technology that maybe like your normal run-in-the-mill criminal doesn't have. But it's a good point.
Starting point is 01:23:01 They're like on the phone for like five minutes. And they're like, nah, he could be anywhere. But that being said, one of the great tropes in early 90s through late 90s thrillers, is like, keep him on the phone. You got to keep him on the phone. He's bouncing it off his satellite, Russia. Yeah. I also don't get why Frank tries to save him at the end when he's hanging off the elevator,
Starting point is 01:23:19 and he's like, it's my job? Yeah, it's why is it a job to save the guy who tried to kill the president? You know? Which is death is not justice. Well, that's much longer. Do you want to post any of these on our wet boys' Reddit thread? Yeah, I'll do that. Wet put her wet by
Starting point is 01:23:33 The Matt Canada, the wet boy. My last picking knit is just when the guy in the wheelchair pulls out the heater in front of two Secret Service agents, I don't think they're like, whoa, hey! You have a permit for that?
Starting point is 01:23:44 I think they'd kill him. Frank kills two counterfeiters earlier in the movie for basically the same crime. Fair. Sequel, Prequel, Prestige TV All Blackcast are untouchable. This is easy.
Starting point is 01:23:56 Prestige would be really solid. Prestige prequel, Frank in the last. White House with JFK and Jackie. Oh. It's great stuff. Like the crown? Maybe a little of chemistry with Jackie, who knows?
Starting point is 01:24:09 No question. Totally offended her somehow. Yeah. Jackie, isn't the first lady supposed to be a good cook? What? Frank, you're off detail. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Dana Trail,
Starting point is 01:24:20 Catherine Hahn, Steve Bouchemy, Sam Jackson, Frank Vincent, J.T. Walsh or Philip Baker Hall? I am a little bit depleted after Scottish Wayne Jenkins. Yeah, I have to say J.T. Walsh. No. I was... Hopping out. No, I'm going to come...
Starting point is 01:24:35 It's going to come back around, but, like, I... It was hard to think of what here. I think this movie needs Sam Jackson. How about this? Sam Jackson is the Dylan McDermachar character. Why not? He wasn't Jules and Pulp Fiction
Starting point is 01:24:48 yet. Believable casting. Yeah. Could have been there, and maybe instead of the fear thing, he's too cocky. He's doing the... I know better. I know I've only been on the job a little bit,
Starting point is 01:24:58 but I know every... plays in Dyer with a vengeance. Yeah. Zeus. Yeah. Better movie with Sam Jackson. Gives a little to Clint. So when they're in the car, they actually have like a fun.
Starting point is 01:25:08 Yeah, when Clint's like giving him a hard time about picking him up, he's like, I'm not your fucking public bus. Right. Motherfucker. And these old motherfuckers always think they can balk out orders. Yeah. Just one Oscar who gets at Malcovic, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:21 Did you do probably unanswerable questions? Doing it right now. Renee, the best model turned actress ever. I'm going to say yes. I think so I have her over Lauren Hutton Fair Fawcett
Starting point is 01:25:35 Rebecca Romaine Yeah Famca Yeah Andy McDowell has a shout Oh that's a good one Yeah Oh Andy McDowell is in the running
Starting point is 01:25:49 I still have Renee over though That's good Does Andy McDowell get credit For also then having a daughter That's also a good actress I feel like that should matter and the big thing. Yeah. Does Renee Russo
Starting point is 01:26:00 have a daughter who's on the come up? No, okay. No. All right. More in answerable. Just what happened to the Washington, D.C.,
Starting point is 01:26:09 really good political throwers? I know. Why did we lose these? Is there like some sort of tax thing? It's too expensive to shoot there? I wonder also, oh yeah, well, first of all, I think that's probably true.
Starting point is 01:26:20 It's just like the expense of shooting in D.C. has probably got too much. The last good one was probably House of Cards, honestly. That was probably the last, like, good DC movie. I missed those. You have any in answer to us? Did the evacuation of the fictional president from the ballroom
Starting point is 01:26:33 invent the Eagles goal line tush push? Do you think a young Nick Siriani was watching this? He said, yeah, what if we just pushed them? I liked Miami's strategy last night of just being off sides on the tush push. They're over the ball basis. They can't call it every time. Best double feature choice with this movie.
Starting point is 01:26:54 Sounds like tightrope. It could be tightrope. I was thinking absolute power is a fun kind of match of this. I like that movie. You know that movie, Craig? No. Eastwood is like a jewel thief and he's breaking into some
Starting point is 01:27:08 Washington heavy hitters safe but the guy comes home and then kills his mistress and he witnesses it and then he has to go on the run. Really good premise. Movies is like not as good as the premise but it's good.
Starting point is 01:27:19 Laura Linney's his daughter, I think. Laura Linney's another one who could have been in this. Sure. This is right around primal fear, right? Andy and Red Zawatine Award what happened the next day? I think Clinton and Renee probably go
Starting point is 01:27:32 about four weeks there before she does the let's just be friends. Yeah, I think they probably do like a trip to San Trope or something. He ties on a couple of rum and coax one night and makes some inappropriate comments at the bar and she's just like, I gotta leave this guy on. He's like, look, women can't actually be in the secret service.
Starting point is 01:27:49 You guys know that, right? They start talking about whether we're ever female president and just goes badly. Yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? It's got to be the wooden gun, right? I wouldn't personally want it, but yeah, like, that would be cool. I was also going to say Mitch's opera glasses or...
Starting point is 01:28:09 Oh, the assassination glasses. Or the professor's wheelchair. He was like, see this wheelchair? It's cost a thousand dollars. Coach Finstock, or a best life lesson. Maybe don't give somebody a second chance when the president's involved. Yeah, I mean, for me, it's like if you're going to kill the president, maybe don't call the Secret Service four times.
Starting point is 01:28:30 Right. Don't tip it off. Just how about just killing them? Yeah, just go about your business. Yeah, that seems fair. Who won the movie? Malkovich. Yeah, I agree.
Starting point is 01:28:40 What do you got, Craig? Great watch, thoroughly enjoyed. I can always tell it's good when I watch out loud and Liz isn't watching, but she can hear it. And she's always like, the more scenes she reacts to when she can only listen to the movie, that's how I can tell it's like really good. Yeah. Like, she'll hear like, you shouldn't have been from Minneapolis.
Starting point is 01:28:56 And she's like, oh, she's like, what's happening now? I have that sometimes. And it's usually fee people here and be like, it's like cruising. And she's like, you're not really doing this on the relaunch. This is, could it be on a podcast? Yeah. No, but this movie has two things I love. I love stuff that's like rooted in real history.
Starting point is 01:29:17 I feel like movies now, it's just everybody's like faceless and nameless. It's like top gun villain now. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing is rooted in reality. So I really like the historical aspect of all this. And I like big stars playing terrible people, which is another thing I feel like I don't see a lot of lately. That's true.
Starting point is 01:29:31 It's like playing the villain It's like it's really difficult It's like it was hip for a long time And now it feels like yeah It's like up through the Batman movies I think it was pretty big And now most of the villains we get are like Aliens
Starting point is 01:29:44 They like it's like Thanos and stuff This movie also really hits the ground running Which I appreciate it has all the makings of a movie That would like open with like seven minutes Of just like shots of DC with title cards Yeah doesn't do that No it goes right into the boat Just goes right in
Starting point is 01:29:57 Yeah really appreciate that So you're not surprised this movie who was the seventh highest grossing movie of 1993. No, that feels right. Don't you see yourself going like once and then be like, you know what, I wouldn't mind seeing it in the line of fire yet at the theater.
Starting point is 01:30:10 However, I will say, in 2023, my 29-year-old over-stimulated brain, Clint's, I just need Clint on like 1.5X. Clint is like physically too slow for me, like at speaking. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you just replaced Clint with a different actor
Starting point is 01:30:29 and it's the exact same lines, the movie's probably 15 minutes shorter. You know, it's an interesting point because we're so used to Clint. He does go at his own pace. He does use all 40 seconds of the shot clock. He really does. I mean, the play clock.
Starting point is 01:30:42 You need a fidget spinner to get through Clint's lines. You know, you really need something. Not Malcovic, though. Malchwich, yeah. No, because he's like so charismatic and, you know, he's really dining on it. Clint is just like deadpan reading lines, but really slowly. He's like, I'm eating an ice cream cone,
Starting point is 01:30:55 sitting on the steps. The funny thing is this is about as lively as Clint is in a movie. Yeah. Usually he dials it way down. Definitely in the 90s. Yeah. Yeah, he's just,
Starting point is 01:31:04 every movie I see Clinton, he seems five years too old. I'm like, he just, it's too old. Well, if you want to watch this movie audience, it's on Netflix. Yeah. Ever since your revelation
Starting point is 01:31:14 that some people listen to the podcast without having seen the movie. It should kind of blew my brain. I never considered that. Yeah. I just thought people would watch the movie and listen to it. People also enjoy watching the movie
Starting point is 01:31:26 before we do the podcast, but you like to keep it a little bit more of a surprise. prize. Yeah. That's fine. Then we can, then people could
Starting point is 01:31:34 guess what our categories were and our thoughts were. And I just feel like I'm an AI robot hosting the podcast. I bet he says for what's age the best, dot, dot, dot.
Starting point is 01:31:46 I don't want to be AI, Bill Simmons. I like being Bill Simmons. You bet you're going to be AI Bill Simmons soon, I feel like. Nobody would have predicted you would have talked
Starting point is 01:31:53 about Clint Eastwood's private parts this much over the, or tight rope. AI would have never done that. I've only got one bag left. We got to leave St. Barts early.
Starting point is 01:32:04 Clint, let's just be friends. That's in the line of fire. So next week we're doing a horror movie and it's going to be an older horror movie. But I'm excited about it. I'm excited about it. Yeah, it's one we've been circling for a while. Produced by Craig Horlebeck as always.
Starting point is 01:32:20 And if you like the rewatchable, you can go check out. We're putting the videos up on YouTube.com slash Bill Simmons. So you can watch Chris not do Wayne Jenkins on YouTube. Just once. Just what's going to have a break. Thanks, C.R.

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