The Rewatchables - ‘Indecent Proposal’ With Bill Simmons and Mallory Rubin

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

'The Rewatchables' is for sale; Bill Simmons and Mallory Rubin are not. We take John Gage up on his offer and spend one night with the 1993 romantic drama ‘Indecent Proposal,’ starring Demi Moore, Woody Harrelson, and Robert Redford. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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by the Ringer podcast network where you can find the Ringerverse with Mallory Ribbon. Yes. Mallory, if you were mine, I wouldn't share you with anyone indecent proposals next.

From the producer and the director of fatal attraction. Suppose I would offer you $1 million for one night with your wife. A provocative offer. But I think you want me to do it. An irresistible seduction. You might enjoy it.

Don't bet on it. An indecent proposal. It was just sex, not love, just sex. Robert Redford, Demi Moore, Woody Harrelson. Indecent proposal, rated R. Starts Wednesday, April 7th. All right, so 30th anniversary of this beauty. Adrian Lyne, one of the most perverted mainstream directors we've had in the last 40 years.

he's dealt with a lot of different infidelity, fatal attractions. And in this case, how much is your spouse worth you? This is a movie that I feel like would not get made now. Correct. And if it did get made, I think there would be a moral outrage factor that would be almost unsurpassed.

We even had the moral outrage factor way back when in the early 90s. People were upset about this movie. And yet it was a monster movie. It had three major stars in it, and it's really rewatchable. What were your thoughts? They would have been to it again. Boy, what a movie. I think that the first hour, the premise, the leading trio, you forget how compelling

and almost like shockingly and perversely compelling it is. You're drawn in, and you feel like you shouldn't be, and that makes you complicit in what you're watching. And then the second half of the movie is. Is another film entirely that I think, like, that really doesn't match the first part of the film? To the point where you wonder if it had actually been another classic fatal attraction-esque erotic thriller. Like, this is an erotic drama. Where's the thriller part really?

Did it need a bit more of the thriller aspect? Or did it interesting to be a lot shorter. You could easily have carved out 15 minutes of the second half and we're probably fine. It's a flawed movie. Sometimes we do flawed classics in the rewatchable. Sure. The reason I'm so fascinated by this movie, even 30 years later, is it's just an awesome premise. It's one of the best premises ever.

It's a premise that became pervasive in pop culture, it became like a running joke, really became a thing for a while. And still is like one of the better premises. Like you think, die hard. What would happen if I'm in a building and terrorists show up and they don't know I'm here or speed. Oh, there's a bomb and a bus. It can't go blow 55. This is just unassailable. These two people love each other. They're broke. And Robert Redford offers them a million dollars for one night with the wife. Yeah. What would you do? Right. And this was a big, big, big, big talking point movie for weeks.

About, it tapped into something about marriages, how you felt about the person you were with. I can't really describe it, but it definitely was a thing. I was just out of college at the time. But I do remember a lot of conversation. This was an interesting thing for me to delve into for the first time because I was very young when this movie came out in 1993. So this is a later in life experience for me and revisiting the feminist debate and the zeitgeist animating outrage, like very passionate camp saying that the movie was sexist and disgraceful. And then what seemed like an almost equally passionate rebuttal to that.

Yeah. And it was fascinating to revisit that. And now, especially over the last couple weeks, because this is the 30-year anniversary, there's been like a new wave of interviews. You know, there's a New York Post piece with the screenwriter, for example. And it's been really fascinating to see how the people who were directly involved in making the film felt about it at the time and now feel about it all these years later. It's like a, there's a richer text there than I think you're like aware of initially when you boot up the trailer for the first time. There's a lot to parse.

Well, the sexuality in general in the early 90s where we had Pretty Women. We had, I think it was Honeymoon in Vegas. We had this movie. Patrick Goldstein, 30 years ago for the LA Times, wrote this long feature about the debate about this movie. It's really good. And it was like, well, wait a second. This movie made a ton of money. Pretty Woman made a ton of money.

This whole premise of, here's my wife. I'm going to loan you out as a hooker. Or I'm going to actually fall in love with the hooker or what's going on here? how we're treating woman. Basic instinct also had a piece of this too of like, you know, crazy sex being crossed with a Ciroirico, basically. And there was just a lot of debate, but I think what's cool about going back to this time is it was debate,

but it wasn't like it is now. Like there were really two clear sides. People argued about it, but it wasn't a bloodbath like it would be now. I was fascinated and actually genuinely blown away. I'm really rarely in the IP era surprised to see that a remake is being considered or actually in the works. But to see that there was a remake conversation in 2018, as recently as 2018, Paramount, was wild. And there's a part of me even still now, because obviously that movie did not get made.

Yeah. That thinks in the prestige TV era, there is actually a way to revisit the story. or at least, like, would you be surprised if this plot made its way into, like, season five of White Lotus? No. That would be, like, the perfect home for an idea like this. Sex and class and gender, right? All of the different roles inside of a marriage, inside of a home, inside of society. And I think that that's what you would really need if you revisited the story today is, like, an adaptation and an approach that more actively anticipated the conversation, not in a way that then got, like, upset.

with it and you're always trying to anticipate what the tweet is and what the response is going to be, but that incorporated into the text, the very woolly and naughty morality of the story, which is a part of the original movie a bit. Yeah. But not in the central

way that it would need to be if you revisit it today. It's actually they are kind of for laughs. And it is funny when Oliver Platt's lawyer character, Jeremy, is like, let's talk about the morality for a minute. and Woody Harrelson's David says, you know, leave that to us and Jeremy's like,

I mean my fee, which is just iconic. It's one of the absolute high points of the movie. And he's also bad that they didn't negotiate for more. I think from a remake standpoint, it definitely wouldn't be the same premise with three white actors done the same way. They would either have it would be a gay relationship or they would flip it and make it a female billionaire

with the male. Stop the gauge roll without question. Yeah. Yes. I think that's how you would get away with it. I also think it's a pretty good idea. I would watch. There's a fatal attraction show coming out now.

You and I are the only ones that are going to watch it. Supposedly not even that good. Lizzie Kaplan, I'm watching. Indecent proposal. Paramount Plus 2007. Are you surprised? 2025? Well, if Taylor Sheridan is involved, we'll get it by the end of this year.

And even more indecent proposal. But is it really worse than some of the... of the stuff that's happening like Beth on Yellowstone or some of the stuff we've seen in all the shows that we like? Probably not. The writer of this movie, Amy Holden Jones, she said that the original premise was about who wouldn't turn down a night with John F. Kennedy Jr. That was the starting point.

And then she said, at the time, I went in and found my old premiere magazine, giant Woody Harrelson feature. Great moment in Woody's time. Cheers is ending. He's a star from White Men Can't John. and this was like his signature, now I'm in a drama movie. She said to Premiere Magazine,

it's very much a female fantasy because all the men love her. She gets to have everybody and she gets her husband back in the end. Interesting defense. Not sure I agree with it, but she seemed to believe that. What do you think of that?

I definitely think that it is a fantasy. If you were going to put this under any sort of genre blanket, of course it's an erotic story and erotic drama. it's a fantasy of some variety from any character's point of view, right? It's a fantasy about sex.

It's a fantasy about class. It's a fantasy about wealth. It's a fantasy about power. And I think like the parts of the movie that are most deftly executed and most compelling, like narratively and dramatically in addition to just kind of like the lecherous, sexy magnetism of it

are the ones that ping pong you back and forth between those perspectives and those questions. Like the conversation that Diana and David have in bed in Vegas the morning after Gage makes his offer. Yeah. Where you are actually trying to parse in real time just as they are with each other. Are they just both waiting for the other person to say, I want you to do this? Because they both want to, but they want to be let off the hook just a little. And like I think the parts of the movie that interrogate that passive tendency while also like winking at the active part of each character that is actually.

like desiring something are the most effective. And that's very much at that heart of the heart of the debate too. Like the camp, I think, that came back in and said, there's actually a way to read the movie. And I think like if you interpreted any number of ways, that's fine, right? Of course. But the part of it where you can look at it and say there's a read on the movie that it's about a sexy, capable, ambitious, confident woman in her prime who was like deciding to use

her sexuality to achieve the thing that she wants. That's like a... Sex positivity? Is that what you're throwing at me? Well, I think that that's like a, that's a more active version or interpretation of it than this woman just does this because she thinks she has to do to bail out her husband. You can't get a shit together. Which basically would make her a hooker at that point.

I was watching it Saturday morning and my 17-year-old daughter came down about 45 minutes in the movie. And she's like, what's this movie? And I'm like, it's called Indecent Propulsion. She's like, what's it about. And I said, I said what it was about. And there was this pause. And she goes, that's horrible. This would never get made now and just walked away. Yeah. So I think that tells you a little bit. It was based on this 1988 novel by Jack Englehart, in which a couple's marriage is disrupted by a stranger's offer of a million dollars. So they took that. What's interesting about that one, in that book, the Robert Redford character is not white and he's like a rich Saudi Arab guy.

And it gets into like a Jewish Arab. That becomes the intrigue of that becomes the big piece of the book. In this book, it's Robert Redford, who's one of the most handsome actors the last 50 years. Unbelievable. I don't know if this is a nitpick or not because the fact that it's Redford is such a calling card for this movie. Because he was one of the most, this is basically like now in 2023, Leo, as the billionaire. Right around the same age, right? Redford's 57 in this movie. Maybe it's Brad Pitt.

Brad Pitt's around the age of that. It's one of those two. And it was such an amazing thing that he was in this movie. He didn't usually do movies like this. There's another version of this movie where it's just like you're stereotypical, like not attractive billionaire. Right. Which I think changes the tenor of the movie completely because she kind of has to fall for the billionaire a little bit for the second half of the movie to really work, which it kind of doesn't. Yes, and I think, like, the charm, the charisma, in addition to just, like, the sexiness,

you know, the way that every time he says anything, there's a smile. I find the stretch of the movie where he's supposed to be courting her and showing her that, like, I'm just like any other guy who would show up at your citizenship class to tell you how much I love you.

Can't wait to talk about that part of the movie. to be pretty actively bizarre because he's just kind of like outright stalking her, right? Like let me take you to my, lure you into my home that I didn't tell you was my home as I showed up at your work to force you to take me to see how else. And I bought your dream property and stole it from you. Again, this is where you're like,

this is a movie that wants to be an erotic thriller that is just kind of isn't quite. But when he says things like, you don't hate me, you wish you did. You as the audience member have to feel that way too, for the movie to work. Like, that's kind of the necessary alchemy of it, right? That you're drawn to him.

You think he's sexy when everybody, when Diana goes to see her friend at the, at the other real estate firm to look up, what happened with the house? Where does it? I'm very eager for your oceanfront property real estate thoughts today, Bill. They're coming up. I bet. Had some thoughts. I bet.

I've seen this guy on TV. You have to believe it's somebody everybody would know. Everybody would recognize that everybody would gather around to watch him play. poker, right? You have to be repelled and appalled. As Diana is immediately their very first encounter in the dress shop. She's like, the dress is for sale, but I'm not buddy, right? But like, that smirk. But she kind of does give me the extra look, yeah. The smirk, yeah. And then when the dress shows up at the hotel room that night, she doesn't tell David that they had that encounter, right? Because she's a liar. Right away there. There's that tension there has to be. But Redford is

it's so important that she doesn't say anything to Woody. Oh, absolutely. She's lying right away. Yeah, it casts the mystery and the trust issue over the rest of it. But like, yeah, Yeah, if there's a more kind of like archetypal villain or scoundrel in the role, as opposed to somebody like Redford, who you're used to just being incredibly drawn to. He's never ever played a character like that ever. Because what you're laying out is basically when they're in the car and she asks them to get out and he does the million-dollar cub lying speech, which is pretty good. Shackleford.

Really, really what they should have done is he's kidnapping her. And he's like, no, no, you're going to be with me. and it goes dark and she escapes from the car because that's kind of how a lot of those type of movies ended, but they didn't go that way. They made him likable to the bitter end, which everything we know about Redford, as people know in the rewatchfuls,

I'm not a huge Redford guy. I think there's a lot of anecdotes over the years of his slimy behavior and me first stuff with movies. I'm sure he changed stuff to make this guy seem likable to the bitter end. What's interesting is he doesn't win the female prize at the end. This is why Warren Batey didn't want to make the movie. But wouldn't you say that that actually makes the character more likable than he otherwise would be?

Like the fact that he, and again, it's very fun to revisit this movie. I find that part of it a little bizarre because in the war, like the dissonance that you're experiencing, you're at war with yourself just as Diana is with the gauge figure. But when he's like, okay, and some of it is selfish, right, as he reveals to Shackleford as the sunsets and the PCH, she was never going to look at me the way that she looked at him while he spent a million dollars on a hippo for her. Who among us, right?

So there's a little bit of a selfish aspect. He wants to be first, no matter what, but there's also this like, I am giving you an out. I am letting you go be with this other guy that is almost like a bizarrely heroic gesture from a character who is in the movie to say, can I give you a million dollars to fuck your wife?

And can I steal your dream property? and can I destroy your marriage? The Warren Beatty part is interesting because him being obsessed with this movie based on everything we know about Warren Beatty is hilarious. Hey, what if this movie where this billionaire, rich guy is perfect, breaks up a marriage, has sex with the lead girl. Adrian Lyon said to premiere in the article that I read, this is a man who essentially pimps for his wife talking about the witty character. I always think you can forgive the whore But it's tougher to forgive the pimp Wow

Loaded My goodness So that's another one Making the movie who's like No no Demi Moore's character A sympathetic one Woody's kind of the You watch this movie and you're like

Woody Harrelson's character kind of sucks And maybe she should just end up with John Gage And she'd be a lot happier Well or with neither right And not to skip ahead to Some other things will probably hit But that's something that

Amy Holden Jones has said that that was how she wanted the movie. This is in the third year anniversary New York Post piece and I'm sure elsewhere in her interviews over the years as well. She wanted Diana to leave both of them behind, right? That's not happening.

They don't do that in movies. You got to end up happy with somebody. We should mention the three stars of this movie. From a star PowerPoint, which is one of the reasons this movie did so well. They're catching Demi Moore. I mean, you could argue this is her Apex Mountain.

You could say it was when she got $20 million for striptease, but I actually think it's right around here because she was in Ghost in 1990, which we covered. Yes. And that was the one that made her, you know, an A-LIS super-duper star. She's in a few good Ben. Right.

She is in Mortal Thoughts with her husband. And then she's in this movie. this is the best she's looked at a movie, I think. Like she's just peak of her power, is fucking flawless hot. Woody, last season of Cheers, ending a month after this movie comes out, he's already a star from when men can't jump

and has really moved into this weird, there's a lot of good actors, but he's definitely has like a hook. Everybody likes Woody, right? And they're starting to tap it in that. He's making moves left and right. And then Redford is the tail end of his prime as an A-lister.

Late 50s, the sun. Starting look a little weathered, but still looks really good in this movie. I'm sure you have some thoughts here. But this was like one of the more commercial movies that he made in the 90s. It starts to get pretty weird from him after that. But give me your Redford thoughts. As we know, you like older men.

You're not shy about it. You're married to one. I think that Robert Redford gives a very compelling. performance and looks incredibly handsome as he does in every movie that he has ever made because he's one of the best looking people who has ever lived. That's my formal stance on the matter. Just an incredibly handsome guy. I mean, much like the Brad Pitt thing. Yeah. I think the difference with Redford was he was always careful about the movies he was in. Like, you look at this run he has after this movie. It was like his last attempt to be a leading man up close and personal.

with Bachel Pfeiffer. Same kind of character where it's like, am I supposed to like this person? He's in the Horse Whisper, the Last Castle, spy game, it just kind of goes sideways.

This was the last time I think he could have pulled off a part like this. And much like we talk about like Brad Pitt or Leo now, Brad Pitt probably three years from now, it's a little creepy if he's trying to pay a 30-year-old

to be whatever. But it's supposed to be creepy. Yeah. To me, it didn't feel 100% creepy for some reason. Maybe it's because it was rooted in 1993. It seems like a realistic movie plot in 1993. Now it'd be insane. Unbelievable. The Vegas setting certainly heightens the surrealality of all of it. Are you familiar with Robert Redford's work as Alexander Pierce

in Captain America, the Winter Soldier? I've heard of it. Yeah. He leaned in to being a villain then that was good that's like an end of the career kind of desperation I take that Marvel money type of move um but with with him and Demi Moore and Woody it's about as star power as you're going to get and Adrian Lyon had a lot of heat from fatal traction and nine and a half weeks and we should talk about him a little bit too he's the the autore we did unfaithful on this podcast we did fatal attraction we did we've not the nine and a half weeks. One of my mom's four favorite movies,

I'm ashamed to admit. Incredible. Something about him, he just, the role of sexuality in fucking up people's relationships and can they put the pieces back together after some sort of desire,

attraction, relationship gone wrong, how do you fix it? Can you fix it? Seems to be the thing that says North Star. Yeah. The idea of, like, again, desire, but also trust.

And I think, like, the depravity inside of every human being, right? That's, like, a very central thing in all of these movies is the question of, like, what people are capable of. And I think that's one of the things about the premise of the film, again, that's actually really interesting and really riveting is this isn't just, like, something happening to the characters. And they're, oh, my God, like, I've got to figure this out or piece this together or do some sleuthing or suss this out in real time.

Who was trying to lead me astray? Like, they're making a decision. They, there is a proposition. And then there is a decision. And then there is regret. Well, it's no difference in fatal attraction. Has the one-nighter, right? It happens.

But then she's like, what are you doing now? I got to go walk my dog. And there's that moment where he's like, if I go back, this weekend changes. This is no longer just a bad decision. Now I'm spending the weekend with this person. Right. And he can't help it.

But that larger theme then of like, can a bad decision ever just be contained to one night? That's not really how bad decisions work. They creep and seep into the rest of your life. And there's a certain hubris to the characters thinking that they can thwart that or avoid it in some way. Unfaithful. Exactly.

I'm having this affair, but I love my husband. And this is over here. It's with this weird artist guy. I go down in the meat district, meat packing district, see my guy. Nobody has to know, nobody's going to get hurt. And then it all unravels. Unfaithful, just an absolute classic. An all-timer.

All-timer. Love that one. Adrian Lyon also made Lolita, which is kind of, so we have the married couple where the passion kind of goes sideways. That's unfaithful. The married couple where some. Somebody's one-night stand mistake unravels everything. This movie, where the broke couple that needs money, makes the decision for one night, and that unravels everything.

Nine and a half weeks of, I'm kinky and you're kinky, let's play around this. Uh-oh. Now it starts unravel. And then Lolito, which is I shouldn't be attracted to this person. I'm an adult, and she's a minor. But I am, by the way, a movie that never gets made now. Oh, no. Each time it's like I can't help myself as the theme.

A pretty remarkable. It really is. What else does he have? Well, he made, didn't he make that weird Ben Affleck movie recently? Yeah, deep water. Deep water, that's another one. I don't even know what happened in that movie, but I kind of enjoyed it. Wasn't that his first movie since?

Oh, yeah. Unfaithful? There was a two-decade gap between. Yeah, it was like 15 years. There's a 90% chance he might have been in prison. No, I'm kidding. I don't know what happened to him. Yeah, he did, well, Jacob's Ladder was the one kind of non-sex movie he made out of this whole run.

But before that, oh, and he made Flash Dance, we should have mentioned, which was a massive, massive hit and bought him the opportunity. And then his first movie was Foxes, which dove into, that was a joke. Foster. I barely remember that one. It was a teenage girl's coming of age movie. So, yeah, other than Jacob's Ladder, a lot of mistakes, depravity, coming of age. Nine and a half weeks is one of the most derailed movies that's ever been made. And probably says a lot about my mom that she loves it so much. That being on your mom's Mount Rushmore is just exceptional. I love it. That, breathless, unfaithful. There's definitely a theme.

Our guy Raj Yeah Three stars This was a divisive one For the Siskel and Ebert family Big thumbs up Thumbs Down athon Yeah

Yeah He said the movie is deliberately designed To place the viewer in the position Of assessing his or her own ideas About marital fidelity And putting a price tag on them Since I saw the movie a week ago I've been involved in half a dozen discussions

On the subject to my point Then he says later It's artificial and manipulative of in the real world, this sort of thing would never happen in this way. But then that's why we line up at the ticket window.

We want to leave the real world for a couple hours anyway. You're damn right, Raj. Raj, crushing it. Proto podcasting right there. Everyone out there hurling their takes. This movie had a 34% on Rotten Tomatoes. I'm surprised it was that high.

38 million dollar budget made $266 million. Unbelievable. What's the lowest Rotten Tomato score on any rewatchfuls ever? Do you know? Like, has anything ever had like a single digit

RD score. I mean, the vanishing probably is up there. That was pretty unpopular. That was another 1993 movie. What a great year. 1993, one of the most rewatchable mainstream movie years we've ever had. Coming up, we're going to do the categories.

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Uh-huh. The dress is for sale. I'm not. Why don't you put it on? It suits you. I can't afford it. That's too bad. Yep.

I really think you ought to have the dress. Let me buy it for you. You want to buy me this dress? Yeah. Why? Well, I've enjoyed watching you. You've earned it. No, I haven't.

The dress is for sale. I'm not. As you know, as people have listened, we've done 282 movies at this point or 283, something like that. Man. Me loves nothing more than a craps or poker scene. Give it to me every time. It's a great Vegas movie. It's like quietly a great Vegas movie.

I mean, the Vegas stretch is irrefutably the high point of the film. No question. Start to finish. I would say that 90% of what we're going to cover in most rewatchable scenes comes in the Vegas stretch. Would you mind lend to me your wife for a little million-dollar craps? You're married? Let's go. Stick around here, I'm a little.

Excuse me? Excuse me. Would you mind lending me your wife? Is that your wife? Excuse me? For luck. Well, you'd have to ask her. May I?

Go for it. I don't think it's a good idea. I think we should just go. Just for a moment? I'll go. It might be fun. What do we got to lose? Oh, my God.

Billy Bob? Just standing by watching. Fucking Billy Bob, future Oscar winner? Character name, Day Tripper. If you had said, who's a guy? going to win an Oscar. If he was going to win an Oscar out of this movie, Billy Bob would not have been one of the top

three picks. Oh, boy. But are we skipping the sex scene after the first day in Vegas when they make $25,000? I have it coming up. You want to do it now? I couldn't decide if that was part of the same, like, Vegas Day

1, which is really many mini scenes, but if that was part of the same scene or if it was its own very special piece of cinema. I have some some hard thoughts on that, but coming later. In what's aged the worst, the nip-picks. Me too. Okay, we can save it. The billiard scene?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Where Redford makes the offer. Suppose I were to offer you $1 million for one night with your wife. I'd assume you're kidding. Let's pretend I'm not. What would you say? He'd tell you to go to hell.

I didn't hear him. I tell you to go to hell. As people know, listen to this pod. I love nothing more than a good billiard scene where people seem to be having a good time, but there's some underlying stuff going on. Fantastic scene. Fantastic scene. And in addition to that being the key moment where he says the most iconic line,

he states the premise, the shock, the awe, there's this actual, like, pretty riveting back and forth just in the conversation between them. They're moving in a... pool table, right? There's like, oh, let's zoom in on the eight ball at a key moment in the conversation. But just even the way that he says, like, I got money, I got security, got businesses,

but you have something that I don't have. We get like an insight into his psychology that we really need for the rest of the movie, but also a crucial moment like David not replying at first and Diana speaking up and then Gage saying, I didn't hear him, so you're putting, you're wedging.

That, that. The pool stick goes right in there and you're going to just keep twisting it around until the whole widens and widens and widens and widens between those people. Great scene. Great stuff. I'll just do it now that I have some issues with the billiards. Okay. There's just some ball continuity. That's just bad. Yeah. There's a scratch and the cue balls is back out on the table. Once again, I'll say it for the million time. I'd like to offer my services as the sports. scene coordinator for all dramas and comedies. Just, if it's a billiard scene, like, let me have a feeling that the two people playing seem to understand what the rules are. It's like, we're playing nine ball, all right.

Now there's a sequence of nine ball. Or we're just playing eight ball. Cool. You have solids. I have stripes. All right. So the continuity is going to be there. It can't just be people just hitting pool balls.

It works less well as a metaphor. If nobody is actually following. If nobody knows what's happening, they're not playing for anything. It's like, why are these, they're people in Vegas. I love the Oliver Platt-Redford contract scene. Unbelievable. Do you want to elaborate on the verification clause? Verification.

That means you pay even if the relationship isn't consummated. You mean if I'm impotent? It's important for a lawyer to cover contingencies. I can live with that. The John Garfield clause? That's if you die in the act. I have no problem with that either. Can I have your pen?

The John Garfield Clause. And Redford kind of being like, I kind of want to hire this guy. So great. Jeremy, man, what a lawyer. What a lawyer. For a woman like Diana, I could have gotten you at least two million. On the phone call before that. It's so funny.

I have the boat scene? Yes. Mm-hmm. Yep. Where he says the same thing I said to you as I was trying to get you to start the ringer with us. Nothing's going to happen you don't choose. Nothing's going to happen you don't choose.

I thought you're going to say that you said you might enjoy it. I might have said that too. That boat scene's really good though. Yeah. And it's probably one of the last good scenes of the movie. Yes. Was it good? Was it good? Was it good? Was it good?

Was it good? All right, I'll tell you. You know what? The man was a fucking stallion day. Is that what you want me to say? We did it all night long. Does that do it for you? Is that the truth? The truth. You don't want the fucking truth. You want me to lie. You want me to say he's awful. So you know what? I'm gonna tell you he's awful and you won't believe me. How can I win?

Just tell me the truth, Dave. It was sex, David. Just sex, not love, just sex. And was it good sex? Don't do this, David. Can you just tell me that, Dee? Is it good? What are you hesitating for? Just tell me. Was it good? Was it good? Was it good? Yes. Yes. Yes! Yes!

Yes. There's no way anyone says yes. Oh, man. She's already lied to him. She couldn't have been like, it was all right. I mean. Well, but as she said to him, and that's one of, I think, the better moments for her character where she's pointing out that there's no way to win with him in that moment.

That if she says, this guy's a stallion, he's just going to be in like this complete state of despair and disarray. And if she says, you know, it didn't mean anything at all or we didn't sleep together, that he's not going to believe her. So, like, what's the point of even trying? So just say the true thing. There's ways around it. Ways around.

I mean, you could do better than that, Demi. Then just saying, yeah? Yeah, be like, oh, he came in 12 seconds. Yeah. But he didn't. Premature, Jack. Come on. That's the lie, you lie, though.

But nobody's going to believe that. No stamina at all. You could tell old he was. Yeah. No one's going to believe it. What was the worst thing she could have said? Like, I mean, he's one of those skinny, lanky guys, huge cock. But it's like, what?

They're just immediately divorced. The Redford speech I have, that speech about, you know, you make these movies and you get Redford, you got to give him one awesome speech. And he has that speech about the girl he saw once and the train girl closed and comes back. Button's up to here. Demi Moore is, I don't know, seemed like a little affected by it. It seemed like some genuine real emotion. Like, oh, Bob's cooking right now. Yeah.

Who got Bob a pan? I didn't realize he was making food for us. Listen, if you see somebody on the train when you're a young, impressionable person, it's a coming-of-age tale, you can't suffer that kind of lost what could have been thing again in your life. And so you offer a sad guy at a casino, a million dollars to fuck his wife. We've all been there. Totally get it. Tail is oldest time. It is so funny to me to have a scene like that that's supposed to be the most relatable thing.

Like even I, John Gage, the most handsome Playboy billionaire you've ever seen once didn't have. the thing I want. But we're having this conversation because I offered your husband a million dollars to fuck you. And we're in my $40 million house that I brought you in for no reason. Yeah, he, uh, he's just haunted. Man. I don't know, it resonated with me. Craig, you have that one person you had in your life that you cross past, but then they

kind of disappeared. You never saw him again? No. Okay. Publicly no. Publicly no. Me too. Publicly no.

Redford in the car revealing the million dollar club. That seems great. the iso cam on Shackleford's eyebrows, as he is working through in real time, how to not fuck it up. How to not blow it? We heard over billiards that Gage trusts him, trusts him more than anyone.

He's like Logan Roy's Colin, right? He's the guy who you can trust to execute anything you need. If you throw out some bullshit in real time about the million dollar club, you know that Shackleford is not going to drop the ball. But the fact that, and we know from prior shots where they're raising the barrier from the back seat, we know that his eyes, his eyebrows, his face very prominently visible to Diana in the back. And for him to just be like darting his eyes back and forth in real time, have I figured it out if I messed it up? Oh, just, you know, dozens.

I wanted him to say like 647 people in the million dollar club. Dozens? Dozens? You needed Sam Elliott for that scene. Needed somebody a little cooler who made it seem like he was in on and trying to wrangle the ladies. I like that scene, though. And then the ending, she just shows up and saying, come on. What do you have for most rewatchable?

Oh, I mean, it has to be the, despite the continuity errors during the game of pool, it has to be gauges off her. Like, it's iconic for a reason, right? Yeah. Has to be. Agree. What's age the best? Boy.

As a movie device, going to Vegas as a desperation move, I'm in every fucking time. Me too. I don't ever remember that not working in a movie where I'm like, all right, I'm not going to watch the next 10 minutes. I don't want to see how this goes. It's the Vegas setting is perfect. You completely believe that the characters would have made the decision to go there in the first place. You're riding hot out of the recession news. Diana hasn't sold a, not only hasn't sold a house in six months, but

can't properly bang a for sale sign into the lawn anymore. It's desperate times. Yeah. Right. David has lost his job. They have to go there. The high of the $25,000 day one. The dissent, the fall.

Flipping the coin at the diner as the waitress watches and shakes her head. It's just everything about the Vegas setting is perfect. I have a lot of picking nits for the Vegas thing that we'll get to later. But please don't think I'm not going to dive into. some of the mistakes that happened in the biggest stuff. I have for what's age is the best? Just smoking hot, Demi Moore. Just absolutely elite.

What a run for her. She looks amazing. One of the best-looking actresses of the last 35 years. She looks absolutely stunning, beautiful, flawless. Who's Demi Moore now? Is it like Scarlett Johansson? I mean, I'm just anticipating that when we get to, you know, the new cast. It's a Sweeney without question, right?

Had to be. Is there going to be any surprises on Sidney Sweetie? Are you nominating yourself for the role of John Gage in that case? Me is John Gage. Super rich people parties? Okay. Really, though? Because I thought these parties kind of sucked.

No. In the movies, they look so much fun. But by the way, you're in Vegas. Like, nobody's having this party in Vegas where it's like, oh, look at all of these rich people. And it's like, whatever the movie version is of those parties, I always enjoy. Where it's like in the beginning of Pretty Woman where he's at that lady's house. Yeah. And it's just like, here's what rich people do.

They're at a house with it's like two floors. There's somebody playing the piano. Yes, always a piano. Lots of people handing out hors d'oeuvres. There's an awesome deck and everybody is just dressed beautifully and there's no ugly people there at all. That's what happens at rich people parties. Demi coming back home after the big night with the... Sorry, I fucked that guy for a million dollars' face.

It's just great. Her demeanor as she comes in is exactly what it should be. Like, hey, how you doing? Yeah. Any news on the Ravens? Any update on Lamar? What's going on Lamar? Succession on demand yet?

What are your conversation starters for that? It's a very welcoming environment when she opens the door to the suite and finds David sitting. just in a stupor on the ground, repeatedly opening and closing the electric blinds. I'm sure that was really comforting. And then, you know,

within mere seconds, he's smearing her lipstick all over her face. One of the grossest sex scenes of all the time. Just bizarre. Yeah. Bizarre. I might have paused for a quick, just,

you know, curious, did you shower before you came home? Definitely asking about the shower. I like the quote, If they stay together, it's not because they forget, but because they forgive. Wow. You're such a softie.

Just a romantic at heart. It's good. It's good stuff. What else do you have for what stage is the best, anything? Just the title. Great title. It's a great title. A small one, but the dog, there are a lot of moments where I'm wondering about the dog and worried about the dog.

But when they have split, David taking the dog. Because you're very out on David at that point, right? They've agreed to do this thing, and then he's an insecure. Dog's a huge loser. No, just like he loses that one. I want to stay with him to me more. I might get to live in a Billy's mansion. I have a huge backyard.

But you're wondering, did Diana want the dog? Did Diana care about the dog? Is David the one who cares? And so it makes you empathetic just a bit toward David in a moment where you're very inclined to think he's an absolute piece of garbage. Smart decision to put the dog with him for that. stretch. So if you're going for Demi Moore's character with the dog on a scale of one to Shiv with Mondale leaving him in a circle gate in the dark. Tom comes home and has to pull

the panty hose out of Mondale's ass because Shiv just left him on the floor still still a tough one. I would say the number one worst dog owner in the history of TV or movies. But yeah, Demi Moore way up there. What else do you have? I think we covered most of the other what's age the best. I think that Oliver Plath, the Jeremy character, the lawyer character, injecting like this audience avatar. This is the uncomfortable joke that I would make at this moment. Energy is the movie is actually like underrated as an important variable. I have one other for what stage the best, which is also the Kid Cuddy a Pursuit Happened and Swear for Best Nito Trap. They drop a little shoday. Yeah. This is no ordinary love, which was like,

there's this whole run of like late 80s early 90s sex music it was like Chadeh Anita Baker Luther Vandross Enigma Enya it was just like songs to bone by this is before we had Spotify playlist so if you're in college and like you're knocking on somebody's door and like Enya's blaster and like oh something's going on in there

I like that they dropped her and then a little seal too seal was also in that music to bone by in the early 90s vortex. This is no ordinary love is during the Waterbed Cash Pile Fuck Fest. One of the most remarkable scenes in movie history You want to do that now?

I have no doubt returning to it later in other category so we can save it up to you. But you absolutely must have the right musical accompaniment for a scene like that. It is imperative. It's one of the songs they clearly made were like charday chateh um

eat a son that people would put on when they have sex here's the beat can you write some lyrics dunan dunna da da da da um the big khanuna burger

award for best use of food and drink this is an easy one what do you got it's the wad of chocolates that diana puts into her purse at the shop

in the casino great call like it uh dena thieves benihana award scene stealing location hmm a couple choices

I mentioned the rich guy party. I just enjoyed, like, the locale. I like when they're these Vegas suites. I've personally never been in a suite like that. They only seem to exist the movies. I also like the boat, and I liked where they stopped at the end in Malibu on the side. It was like a really smart part of Malibu to stop on. I think that the yacht was underutilized as a location.

Me too. I almost feel like it was a fake location. Yeah, even though it was my instinct to pick it, I don't think the Griffin really delivered, ultimately. unlike my winner for this category, which is the craps table. Oh, I like it. The beating heart of this film. Yeah, good call.

I'm with you. I had great shot Gordo Award most cinematic shot when she kisses the dice in the poker. I really enjoyed that. What do you have? Okay. I have the stretch where after he has failed to stop the helicopter,

David walks in front of the wall of TVs, showing the horse racing, and then suddenly it's every single screen showing Gage fucking Diana and he's looking around like Yeah Did someone have a GoPro?

It's just like the like hallucinogenic quality of the scene feels so fully like it's from a different movie that it like really stands out in a bizarre but kind of interesting way So that's my pick. I like it. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for the Weeklink of the film.

Him David's showing up at the charity auction and offering a million dollars for the hippo was just absolutely ludicrous. It's one of the dumbest scenes. Probably the 90s. It's bizarre.

Just offer like 100,000, keep the other 900. He doesn't want the money. It's tainted, you know? Oh, stop. Makes him think of all the awful things they did, all the mistakes they made. He wants to be rid of it.

I didn't like it. My pick is the second half of the movie. Right. Well, I had that coming up in the the Ron Burgundy Flew to Where Best Time for a P-break. Second half of the movie? You could basically take a half hour off and just come back for when they're about to break up.

Yeah. The first hour is so good. I know. And then it just, it tails off and it's almost like the studio is afraid to give them notes. I know. I mean, it's, in what's age the worst? I think it's also like the second half of the movie. But for the P break, I will nominate specifically the David architecture class scene.

Yeah. Which I actually think is a pretty good. good scene from a completely different movie. It's not that it's a bad scene. I would watch an entire show about this professor who is trying to find his way back to his family and his life and his purpose, literally one brick at a time, thinking about the meaning of life and how to self-actualize,

get your hands in the ground, you know, Tolkien-esque, fresh tilled earth, right? But that's not this movie. So I think you can miss those couple minutes And you're okay This movie needs 15 minutes cut out of it And I think you can make the case You just center the whole movie around Demi Moore And the David character

You chop I don't we get it He's traumatized that this happened I don't really need to spend more time with him I don't really like the character that much I don't think it's a particularly well drawn out thing But I like the Demi Moore character Like I'm really interested in her world

And she looks great More time with her What's age the worst? Okay. Woody's high school wig in the beginning when they had the flashback is just... Unbelievable. It's like they forgot that they were filming the scene and that they needed to do something to his hair and they just ran down to the local store.

But still second fiddle to be more with the braces, the wide grand braces playing the high school freshman, just astonishing stuff. What's age to worst? Billionaires. I think we had a different relationship with billionaires 30 years ago. We talked about this when we did the Wall Street. pod and some of the stuff in the 80s where billionaires could be

hero, pretty women. Billionaires could be like the hero of a movie. You're rooted for billionaires. Even in this movie, you kind of like John Gage. There's no way. There would be such a stigma. This would almost, this movie would be so much darker now. It would be like Jeff Bezos is trying to buy my wife.

Fucking asshole. Don't go with that guy. They would make him such more of a villain. Who's the last billionaire you rooted for in a movie? Maybe John Gage. I don't know. Tony Stark. Oh, that's a good one.

That's what, 2007? Eight. What's the first Iron Man movie? May 2008. Right. So by the time we get to 2010's, I guess social network, you're weirdly kind of rooting for Zuckerberg? He's not a billionaire at the time.

No, he's not, but he's about to be. What's age the worst? Having sex on piles of money. Let's talk about it. It's just the most disgusting thing of the earth. Okay. I had a bit just as like cash, like physical money, period, because you always hear when you're growing up, oh, like money's dirty. Yeah.

But you need as a person in the world to watch indecent proposal and see Woody Harrelson shove fistfuls of bills into Demi Moore's ass crack to really understand what people are talking about. So thank you, digital currency, for ridding us of this plague. this might have created a new form of VD through cash crossed with something I do love when they wake up and it's all of the bills are like very crumpled and crunchy Oh my God, it's so gross I was going to do some nipicks I'll do it now

It's also ludicrous that they want all this money And it's like 20s 50s and hundreds Guess what? You're getting hundreds And really you're probably not even getting that amount of cash They're giving you chips Just the thought of like them having all these 20s and 50s, ludicrous, would never happen. What age is the worst?

This is just a personal thing for me. When people gamble everything in roulette as a last-ditch resort, like, don't do it that way. Come on, guys. Let's do better. Okay. Rulette is the ultimate sucker game. I had this in picking nits, but let's just do it here since you brought this up. The first losing streak happened.

So the windfall. First losing streak's too fast. The windfall is day one, and that's right. And then they go from 25,000 to only having $4,000 left after the first stint at roulette. Why do they go back to roulette? It's like it's like it's like it's like it's like the Ravens coming out first half throwing a low thrown to O'Dell opening updates putting up 28 points first half and then just feeling now we're going to establish the run. It's really bad. I'm just heartened that you think the Ravens are going to be scoring 28 points in the first half at any point in the, the just trying to be nice.

He also did the podcast. I also have for what's age the worst, these early 90s Vegas hotel suites that we covered earlier. They were super ugly. Like he buys them that suite for them. Like, oh, let me comp you for the night. And the suites just, but that's what it was like in Vegas. Like it was like, look at this fancy suite.

It's like fucking awful. Terrible look at. What else do you have for what stage is the worst? Try not to step on nipicks. Oh, boy. Okay. It is hard. There's some overlap for sure.

I assume we're going to save everything to do with the, the real estate in Santa Monica for later categories. I had it in what stage the worst, then nitpicks. And I had it in both as well. Let's save it for nitpicks. Let's hit it there. Or do you want to do it here? Yeah, let's do it now.

What world is this? Readily available prime ocean front real estate in Santa Monica. In 1993. This wasn't like 1961. Or like 1803. I mean, it's huge property. This is like you only expect to see this much open land in a, Yellowstone spin-off.

Like, that's it. When the early Dutton's are heading out west, that's the only time in any piece of TV or film that you should see this much open real estate. That's like a $5 million real estate plot minimum in 1993. I would say higher. Wild. Absolutely wild. And they're like, oh, can we scrap together the money to get this thing? You mean that one acre looking over?

Yeah, that would be funny. It should have had at least like a dilapidated structure. Like something should have been there. and we should have had a quick line acknowledging that something happened and there was an opportunity. But the fact that it's just open land is absolutely befuddling. It would have been funny to have a current realtor on to ask to discuss like how much that land was worth now in the 1993. To me, it's got to be $5 million minimum. Just a crossover with Bravo, million dollar listing, Los Angeles.

Yeah, we could add those guys on. It's an absolute disgrace and it's a huge hole in the movie. It's bizarre. It is distracting and bizarre. Then later, they talk about how John Gage's house is worth $40 million. 30. Or $30. Yeah.

So we have the $30 million house over here. And then let's take a flyer on that Santa Monica beach property and scrap some coins together. Try to grab it. What's going on? So you're more thrown by the price point than by the availability of the land. The availability makes sense to me. Really? Yeah.

I think it's conceivable. Okay. Because you could argue they knocked down, it was a developer. They knocked down the house. they want to sell the land. Like there was a house there? But was there? That's what I mean.

It's like very lush vegetation and lots of trees. It doesn't look like anything has been there. We definitely would have had a lot more questions. Maybe they cut that out. Just I think the thing that bothered both of us was the space is way more amazing and unique than they kind of let on. Like they're like, oh, this is our dream house. It's like, no, no. This is like the fucking, you found.

Yeah, this is the Holy Grail. You found a Holy Grail property. like you would totally make sense you would have sex with somebody for a million dollars to try to save this thing because it's worth like 30 oh god um

not quite as offensive as the real estate but is this where we talk about the voiceover why like the voiceover is terrible in this movie you know my feeling but even by the standards of voiceovers it's awful because it's so sporadically deployed like it's very central in the

opening stretch when we get this kind of origin story. All right, these are characters who fuck on the floor in their own kitchen. Is their underwear catching fire on the stove top? Got it. Oh, your pants are on fire. Tell me about it. But an incredibly long period of time passes then before the voiceover comes back in. It's just so weird.

Back to that opening tease. Actually, I'll put this out there as though what's aged the worst as well. That opening stretch of the film with the initial voiceover or the kind of origin story for David and Diana. I don't like that the movie spoils that they split up. Right. I think that's really weird. Yeah, why give that away? It just saps some of the tension.

You should have this real question. In addition to the question of, did she sleep with him, which also is pretty, like, contained, you should have this question of if they're going to be able to make it through. Then the question becomes, are they going to find their way back to each other? Which I think is just less interesting. Oh, and I'll just say also not seeing a gauge Diana sex scene has aged the worst. this is bizarre to me. I think that not showing us on the yacht.

You're stepping on the next category. Okay. The Mallory Rubin Award for Did This Movie Need a Better Sex Scene? Here we go. Jesus. You couldn't even wait. God. All right.

My guess is Redford was like, I'm not doing a sex scene. Sorry. That was my assumption as well. But I would like to say here formally. Stunt double? Well, okay. So this is what I was going to ask you because to zip ahead to half-ass internet research,

a porn star, according to the internet, was his stunt double. Yeah, I think somebody put that in. I didn't... That's fake. That's fake news. Okay, because my question was like, for what?

Nothing happened. I think that it's actually smart and a kind of like impressive level of discipline to not show us the sex scene on the yacht, to introduce the mystery of like maybe they didn't have sex. give us some flashbacks. Put some scenes in where Diana is thinking back.

Can't stop thinking about it. Doesn't want to think about it. Right. Keep saying to David, I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to think about it. Like Diane Lane, thinking back on the artist. And then there it is, another flash of Robert Redford, naked on the Griffin. Why is this not in the movie? I'm going to go further, and I was saving it for this category specifically,

the category we named after you. I don't think age of it. and Lyon's sex scenes are that good in movies. It's weird. His movies are so sexual, and yet the actual sex scenes, the one in the beginning with Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson is like pretty weird. Some real commitment in this film to Woody Harrelson Boner Cam. We get a number of close-ups across their multiple-ups.

Is that a stunt bono? Or an actual boner? I don't know. I don't know. Number of close-ups of like a nether-ups of, me grinding against the direction or a hand. He's marched than that, but the actual, like, the unfaithful, was she a couple of those where, I guess they were all right, but the one where they're in the hallway, that was weird.

The fatal attraction, Adrian Lyon seems fascinated about having dishes and running water near the sex somehow. I don't know. He's got some fetish. It's true. Yeah. Nine and a half weeks was the only one where I was like, all right. Scott knows what he's doing.

Was there a better title for this movie? No way. Absolutely not. Best quote, a life without risk is no life at all. I like that. That's a good one. And Craig, remember, if you want something very badly set it free, if it comes back to you, it's yours forever.

If it doesn't, it was never years to begin with. Shackleford, gentlemen, I think it's time for men of goodwill to take leave of one another. Just this like really weird bit of sage counsel in the middle of this bizarre sex romp. also the guy's name was Shackleford So funny What kind of like generic chauffeur

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Prices may be higher for delivery. Stephen A. Smith had us take a word. Just go with Gage. That's it. I know your heart's with David, but, you know, he's kind of a loser. He fucked up your perfect property and he let you have sex with this guy for a night. This is a fucked up relationship. Get out of it and give Gage a whirl.

That's my take. I don't think she should be with either of that. That's fine. But give Gage a whirl. Give it a test drive. She does. Not really. I mean, they're together for, you know, he's showing up with the citizenship classes.

they're going out to dinner and David's showing up in the rain falling over on the sidewalk as he tries to punch them. At least trying to convince them to buy the quippers or something. What are your passions? My passion

is my pickier for the hottest take, which I've hinted at a few times, but I feel strongly about the movie needs a murder. It simply needs a murder or murder-deficient. Now, there are a couple different ways

we could do this. some obvious candidates like David could try to kill Gage, right? Shackleford could kill David when he takes him home. Or David gets brutally mugged and she thinks Gage did it. And you never really know. This is exactly what I was just going to say. David dies under mysterious circumstances. Oh, David dies.

And Diana. Maybe Gage, actually, we do know that he didn't do it. But it's a way of continuing perpetuating this doubt, trust issue where... she is so sure that Gage did it that they also cannot be happy together. Or he gets brutally beaten up and she sees him in the hospital and it's like, I don't know what happened.

I was walking in Venice. I think in that scenario, she should not have had sex on the yacht, but David would not have believed her. And then she says, fine, you don't believe me. I'm going to go be with this guy. Then she's with him. David dies.

Gage says, I did not do this thing, but she can't believe him and all of these characters are caught. in this web of doubt and shame and debilitating insecurity, and they sabotage their own happiness as a result. Way better movie. Great job. Casting What Ifs.

Originally designed as a starring vehicle for Cruise and Kidman with Warren Beatty as the billionaire. Boy, is that movie lit. Oh, my God. Whoa! That's almost too much to even process. It would have been amazing. Amazing. I mean, they basically turned in an eyes wide shut six years later.

Yeah. Man Allegedly the role of Diana was first offered to Julia Roberts who turned it down She feels too young to me Also like she's going to do pretty women than this That gets a little weird Now you're just getting paid to have sex with people in movies

The character though And this is also really weird Is only supposed to be I think 26 Because we learn that they get engaged when she's 19 And then later she says seven years since their engagement, right? So the character's pretty old. For the part.

Woody Harrison walked away from Benny and June to do the movie and they sued. Ironically, Johnny Depp had been approached to be the lead in this movie and he ended up in Benny and June. So there you go. And then they didn't want to cast Woody for a while and then Adrian saw him

and white men can jump. The rest was history. I would say that Woody, obviously Redford and Moore are the chemistry and like electricity-inducing elements in the film. But I think Woody is actually kind of like the surprisingly genius casting stroke here. And to hear like that casting what if of Cruz in the David role, and I say this with love and respect for Woody Harrelson,

you actually need a character who is not as hot as Tom Cruise, right? Because you have to, part of what's interesting about the fact that despite my contention that we need the gauge Diana Sext scene, Part of what's interesting about the movie is that you don't see that, but you see a lot of sex between the husband and wife, right? Like, actually, it's not a marriage where the passion has died. These people love having sex with each other. They can't wait to touch each other.

Like, they're very drawn to each other. And for that to be this guy who's, like, sitting on the bathroom floor with his glasses on doodling his dream house is pretty interesting, I think, right? So, like, if it's a sex symbol, like Tom Cruise, that's just a different energy for the movie entirely. Agree. And I don't think Cruz ever would have done a movie where he loans out his... I just don't see it. Woody, ironically, wins the Ruffalo Han and Rubinac Partridge Overacting Award.

A couple different moments where he dials it up. Oh, man. Throwing the wine bottle into the fridge, remarkable. Yeah. Boy. Best that guy award. Seymour Castle is Shackleford. Absolutely.

Great job by him. Dionne Waiters Award. Billy Bob Thornton, two weird screenwriters, or Oliver Platt. Who do you got? I think it has to be, it has to be Platt if he's eligible. Platt's eligible. Okay, has to be, without question. Recasting couch, 2023 edition.

Who is Sidney-Married to? Okay, well, if we extend the logic of the Woody casting. Okay, Adam said this. And I said, I think to the Woody point, no, because... He's too good looking. It's just like there's too much the sexiness. It's really Adam Driver 10 years ago. Oh, that, well, I mean, Adam, Adam,

driver sexy too. And so, you know, so is Woody in the movie. But that's the point, right? Is that the sexiness comes out from the way they are together. Yeah. So you need a character like that. You'd be surprised in a way initially that they're paired. But when you see them together, you understand that there's like this magnetic pull between them. Glenn Powell? Way too hot. Okay. Way too hot. Miles Tower, our guy? Miles is, I think, a better candidate than Glenn Powell. This is a tough one. I'm just trying to think of like normal looking 30-year-old guys in Hollywood. Yeah. Normal-looking. Well, like Woody's nice looking, but he's not

Redford. Just like, you know, a nice looking guy. Oh, man. You know, Jacob Allorty, he's like too hot. Jacob Allorty, he's like seven foot two. I forgot to mention this in the Premier Magazine there. We're talking about Woody. Producer Linda Oakes, who describes Woody as one of her best friends, says,

quote, he could have grown up to be Warren Beatty so easily. I mean, he had more girls coming out the windows than I've ever seen in my life, ever. He's totally adorable. He brings out the impulse of women to both mother him and fly with him. And that's a very dangerous combination for a woman. Paul Meskow? Oh. Try and think of what I can say here.

You don't choose to be with someone other than Paul Meskow. Have you seen normal people? Have you seen normal people? All right. We'll do Rory Culkin and it's a wrap. Or Kieran Culkin. Which Kalkin's in succession? Oh, Kieran.

That's an interesting one. How about Jeremy Strong as David? They're too old. Sydney's like 25. Jeremy Strong is like 40. They need to be the same age. Who do you have for the Redford? Pitt or Leo?

Probably Pitt, right? Pitt's a great one. Pitt almost looks like Redford. I mean, that's why Pitt and Redford. Pitt was always like he's the next Redford. They even did River Runs through it together. Yeah. Pitt would be great.

what if we did female female casting for the couple okay so you need the equivalent of Redford in the gauge role I think that this means you're going to all three females well let's just start with the gauge character if you're gender swapping that role

you need someone who is undeniable right who is historically sexy powerful magnetic compelling Angela Bassett. So not Reese Witherspins? Angela Bassett.

I was going to say Hallie Berry. Angela Bassett. Great one. Angela Bassett. Jesus. I was going to say Nicole Kidman because it seems like the kind of movie she'd want to be in.

That would be good too. It's a weird sex movie. Nicole Kidman would be great. Yeah. And then who's Sidney dating or married to in the can go a lot of directions? We should probably get out of this category.

Half-ass internet research. The film. The films listed in Golden Raspberry Word Founders, John Wilson's book, as one of the 100 most enjoyable worst movies ever made. And I completely agree. And that's why I wouldn't do for rewatchables. This is an enjoyably bad movie. Simpsons did a half-decent proposal parody in 2002. Demi said Woody was super awkward during the sex scenes and kept saying, you're my friend's wife.

This is so funny to me that Woody was nervous about the sex scenes. Didn't stop him from getting the boat to full. mass though. I'll tell you that much. L.A. Times, when it came out, L.A. Times called it silly. New York Times called it far-fetched. Rolling Stone's called it shameless sexist propaganda. And the

screenwriter, Amy Holden-Jones, were at a lengthy rebuttal to her male critics in the L.A. Times. The Thelma Louise screenwriter came after. The Redford speech that I mentioned earlier was stolen from Citizen Kane, almost entirely.

Demi Moore got a final cut on her sex scenes got brought into the editing process. Yeah. We see when Redford comes to visitor at the office, the secretary is reading backlash. Susan Faludi's expose. Yeah. The war against women's rights.

Interesting choice. You know, in the IP era, we call that an Easter egg. Mm, good one. in the original script Demi Moore leaves on her own accord there you go so you're right and then she also

the writer also said Warren Beatty was approached but doing the film he wouldn't do it because they didn't get the girl it's like well William Goldman always said these stars are vain

they want to get the girl and they want to win and that's it that's what they want in these movies the Adrian Lion and Demi Moore fought on set about the character and then he eventually realized

she was right that great dress that she bought the $5,000 dress who was a Terry Muggler designed dress and became an absolute sensation after and was copied by many designers. Became a thing. What would your version of that have been? Like the thing that you were coveting

that someone saw you staring at. Like a baseball card? Yeah. Mine would be like, yeah, like a pair of like off white Jordans. Oh, yeah. You know? Rare air jarred.

Rare Air Jordan 13th. Something I missed on the sneakers drop. Yeah. Like, whoa. Oh, and the Vegas shoots all started at 3 a.m. I was like little details like that. Yeah. That was in the premiere article.

Because we have to film all casino stuff late at night. So they were doing 3 a.m. for a few weeks there. And I don't know if Woody was handling it fantastically. Apex Mountain. Did me more? I'm going to say yes. Really? Yeah.

I think this is it. Oh, wow. You got this movie. Okay. The more. And we might have given her Apex Mountain for another movie, but the more I thought about it, for this movie to make almost $300 million.

That's true. That's true. It also paved the way for her to get the $20 million check for strip teas. She's coming off Ghost and Few Good Men. She's married to Bruce Willis. That's probably the most stable, beloved celebrity relationship at the time. Right. Just things are going great for Demi Moore.

Interesting. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I also think it's Apex Mountain for super hot to me more. Chuck, 93 episodes. Flawless. Flawless.

Woody Harrison, I'm going to say yes, too. Coming off White Men Can't Jump, coming off this movie, end to Cheers. Yeah. This improbable, oh, you know who's going to be the big winner when Cheers ends? It's going to be Woody Harrison. Right. And he was, that was a big talking point that year. He was the improbable post-chairs star from that show.

Well, and Chris Ryan's not here to say that Apex Mountain for Woody is, True Detective season one. So you can get away with this slander And any green wild would have thrown up. Robert Redford, no way. Absolutely not.

Shade and Seal? No. Not for Seal. No way. Seal is like one of the most Peak Shadee right around now. Seal is too prevalent of a needle job across pop culture.

The Batman movie. What was Kiss? Kiss from Rose. That felt like he was gigantic at that point. That had a big run on yellow jackets too, you know. We got to talk about that later. I'm too behind and I might not keep watching.

Two was, I would say push past two. Push past the second. Okay. Yeah. Terry Muggler, I think it was, I didn't even know if I pronounced that right, but I'm going to say Apex Mountain for them. Adrian Line, no. Crapes, no. Fucking had a big pile of money, yes.

Oh, yeah. And then I got John F. Kennedy Jr. Come on. He's in Seinfeld that year. He's a lawyer. They're basing an decent proposal around him. He's married. Things are great for John F. Kennedy Jr.

Never been better. Future presidential candidate hasn't made George the magazine yet. Just whole life's in front of them. Apex Mountain. Best racehorse name. Indecent proposal is a great name for a racehorse. Okay. It is.

That's a great one. What you have? Million dollar club. Oh, that's really good. Even a brick wants to be something. Paradise Cove. Not bad. Table shoes, just because I wanted to mention at some point the disgusting vile habit that David has of leaving his dirty sneakers on the table.

Awful. The Griffin. There are a lot of resource names in this movie. I like Million Dollar Club. Well, I can't wait because it's time for picking nits. Boy. So what billionaires look like Robert Redford? billionaires, like historically not that attractive guys.

Okay, I will argue the other side of this, which is the quarterback corollary, right? The quarterbacks are often handsome because they grow up feeling confident, they get opportunities, etc. Do you have any trouble believing that Robert Redford's John Gage, who is like a businessman, but like, what's he doing all day? He's schmoozing, right? He's at lunches. He's at the poker table. Okay, who's real-life John Gage right now, then? I don't know.

I don't study billionaires. No, it's just... I don't... I think one of the reasons billionaires has become billionaires is because they don't look like Robert Redford. Hmm. And they're throwing everything into whatever they're doing. It'd be pretty rare.

It'd be, like, John Gage would have, I think, been a thing in the early 90s where this, like, handsome single billionaire. Yeah. We would have heard a lot about John Gage. Mm-hmm. Do you buy him as a mole? multi-millionaire, but not a billionaire? Is that where you draw the line?

He would be a successful person. I thought he was a great billionaire. I liked watching him gamble. I liked his assuredness at all times. The way he just orders up another mill. I like that he had Shackleford. He would be a very believable billionaire for me. All right, Vegas fuckups.

Here we go. Man, let me tell you something. One of the things I know is Vegas and casinos. There is zero percent chance. None. that John Gage is gambling anywhere near the craps tables. There is zero percent chance.

He is in his own fucking area. He's on a different floor. Nobody's interacting with him. He's not just like, oh, I'm going to go with the common folk and play for a million dollars. No fucking way. But if he's not around

the, quote, common man, how can he borrow somebody's wife for luck? He's got to be walking through the casino No. It just needs to unfold differently. It can't be Oh, there's John, just playing some million-dollar blackjack with the common folk. No way. Not happening.

We mentioned, though, when they're up 25K in Vegas, it's all $100 bills. No 20s. Come on. Yeah. I have so many problems with the pit boss breaking his coffee because John Gage won a million dollars on crap bet. Just would never happen. They always act super cool in those

situations. Amazing moment. I also do not think they would front a $1 million craps bet under any circumstances. I think they'll give him a million dollars, but I think there would be a maximum bet. Oh, interesting. And if it was a minute, if it was put a million dollars down, you're not with the common folk at that point. Okay. You don't think they're just letting John Gage do whatever he wants because he's John Gage. Not for a million dollars a bet.

Yeah. I don't think so. Okay. I also had a lot of questions about the poker game, which is him and one other person using weird chips. I don't know what poker game that is. It's certainly never been in any casino I've been in. That was very confusing. I wanted to ask you on the casino etiquette front, like, if Diana would have wound up in jail after she tried to move the chip pile back following.

You get thrown. That's an immediate. You're gone. You're gone, right? You're not allowed to touch chips. You're done. They didn't realize the mortgage was going to expire when they were going to Vegas. This woman's in real estate for a living? Let's zip back before that to a related picking net, which is.

is what assets? Which is Diana's question when they're talking about the bank might come after your assets. What assets? You're a real estate agent. You can't figure out that he's talking about the house? What? Awesome. At one point, the guy who runs the real estate, he says, you're the best person I've got.

She is? She hasn't sold anything for six months. Doesn't understand what an asset is? He does follow up and say that everyone else is it. caravan. So maybe he was just bullshitting her. I just think she was terrible.

She was one of the worst realtors of all time. She did confidently state the price point of Gage's home though. She's like 30 million at least. He says, you think so? I know so. Great.

She read that off a guide. Gage is single? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, this is the whole thing that he says at the pool table, right? To David, like Gage,

she's got all this stuff, Bill, but he doesn't have that one thing. Doesn't have that special person in his life that he bought for a million. This is, I'll save it for unanswerable. Okay. What else do you have for picking that?

You had a lot of them. I have a bunch of unanswerable. Me too. We already talked about a bunch of these. I just have to, you know that bathroom hygiene is a passion point of mind on the watchables. And so I will revisit that corner here just to say that one of the most appalling things we've seen in the history of cinema is Diana sitting on the toilet, going through all the paperwork. Her underwear are down.

So she is using the toilet. Right. her bathrobe is draped all over the bowl, and then David leans in against her to have a conversation with her and comfort her. She's there for multiple minutes, so I assume she's taking a shit. And I just find, I know we're trying to show that this is a very close couple. Yeah, that's your right. Take your bathrobe off. Don't let a drape on the toilet, something.

I mean, you know how upset I was about the lack of hand washing in Kramer v. Kramer, but this is another level. I'm sorry. It's very fair. sequel prequel prestige TV All Blackcast are untouchable. This is the rare movie you could sell me on all five. I think all black cast

would be incredible. I think there could be a reality TV show that would be pretty great. Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. I'm actually amazed now that you say that that they haven't done that.

They've probably piloted it. I think the prestige TV angle on the show would hopefully be better than America Jiglo. A show that only you and I watch. But I do think the premise is unassailable good and should be back. It's been 30 years. Let's bring this baby back.

Only question. I was going to say, there's a time a couple months ago where you would have said the only question is, does it belong on Showtime or Paramount? Now it doesn't matter. One of the same. Yeah, who's our horny cable channel now? Oh, it's definitely the Showtime Paramount family, right? For something like this?

For something like this? It feels like a wide open spot for like MGM Plus. To be like, come here, horny people. We're bringing back the affair. We have an decent proposal. If they remake this as prestige TV, though, of the many things they need to update, the house has to be better. The dream house.

This looks like a grain silo on top of a dilapidated garage. What is this? This is the dream? No. Great point. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Catherine Hahn, Steve Buschemy, Sam Jackson, J.T. Welsh, or Philip Baker Hall? I was thinking about Wayne Jenkins in the John Gage roll.

Oh, my. What did you have? So Jenkins, I was debating. Oliver Plattroll? No. Is he Shackleford? Like, is he, like, private security? Or is he...

They just dial up Shackleford. Is he Billy Bob? Like, is he just also there at the casino? And he's watching it off. You didn't know you were going to loan your wife to Super Poker Player? God damn. Million dollars a hand. Look at this fucking guy.

I could have gotten you. at least five and a bushel of jumbo crabs for a woman like Diana Wade Jenkins makes this movie better. Just want to ask her who gets it. I think that me. Wow. Who would you have?

I would go with Redford. Best supporting actor? Patriarchy is real, I guess. Here I am. Picking Redford. Redford really is good for He's good. Yeah, it's a good performance. Yeah. Probably in answerable questions. My best. Treasure Trove.

Is this movie better? with Richard Gere, even though he already kind of made the movie. Richard Gere is John Gage. He's just going back to his pretty woman roots. I'm going to say no only because he's in so many adjacent movies. Counter. It's kind of his corner. That's true.

It is his corner. You would feel very much at home. But there's something that puts you off kilter seeing Redford in the role that I think helps the movie. It is good. We should have put that in what stage is the worst, actually. The shock value over the last 30 years of Redford being in. this. In 1993 was the thing. I was like, oh, my God.

Redford's in this? Right. Was John Gage a bad guy? Yes. Unequivocally? Yes. Okay. Right? I mean, does he have some redeeming quality? Sure. Right? People are complicated. They contain multitudes. But at the end of the day, he's a character who offers a million dollars to fuck someone's wife.

And they took the money. Yeah. And they had the agency to make that decision. But I don't think you can say he's like, Mother Teresa. I don't know if he's... Also, he didn't go up as high as he should have on the hippo, on the hippo charity.

He did get his ass kick. You know? I don't think he's a bad guy. I don't think he's a good guy. It's a flawed guy. I don't think he's a bad guy, though. Like, even at the end, he lets her go. Like, he's not, he's never really weird ever about it.

I don't know. What do you think, Craig? Craig, what are your thoughts? I have thoughts on Gage at the end. Do you want me to do it then? Yeah, now and save it. Okay. All right. With the million-dollar club work as a TV show,

each season's a different girl and a billionaire, and is it a reality show or a drama? The reality show ideas is absolutely horrifying, but also now I can't stop thinking about it. My God. It's the move the Bachelor needs to make. It's the next frontier. The Bachelor is worn out.

It's time for a million-dollar club. The Bachelor, colon. million dollar club? I don't know if it's for basic cable, but... It's definitely no. And it starts out as like a series in Bulgaria or Spain. All right. I mean, you're honestly probably the only person I know who could really properly answer this.

What if John want to get a little kinky during the one night? What are the rules? What are the laws? I feel like nobody can sort this out better than... Mallory Rubin. This is number one on my list of unanswerable questions. I have a lot of unanswerable questions, but this is, I think, without question, number one, what are the other clauses in the contract?

Because it's one of two questions. It's either what are the other clauses, and we should assume that there are clauses that specify what is permissible, or there aren't, and then the question becomes, why not, Jeremy, my guy, what are you doing? You know, we know we have the verification clause. We know we have the Garfield clause. Is there a clause about, like, whether you can use anal beads, for example, you know? Is ass play, fair game? Did they talk about this?

I was going to ask about the ass play. What if he springs out and he's like, hey, I paid a million dollars for this. I did some free framing of the contract, as I assume you did as well, to try to see what was there. I wanted to read every single clause. I think my daughter was around at that point. You can only read a couple paragraphs. I will say it is very funny that it is referred to as the act and A is capitalized, like the act throughout the contract. But I think you need to have, if you're papering this, every single.

this is this is in bounds. Positions? Positions. I mean, you've mentioned Pretty Woman a couple times. Like, I'm surprised there wasn't something in here that said you can't kiss, right? Because that's like too intimate.

Oh, she kissed them right away in the boat. Absolutely. Yeah. Is oral sex allowed? My guess would be oral sex in play. If I'm gaged, that's the first thing I'm putting in the contract, right? But if I'm David,

I'm at least bringing it up with Diana and Jeremy. Because they make it, it's all very vague of, Did you sleep with them? Was it good? And it's not like, well, what if this was like a four-hour gauge-a-thon? This is also why we need the flashbacks. We need the reminiscing, just a little snippet here and there.

This conversation is why they don't show it. Because there's nothing that you can actually see that is crazier than what you were imagining. Wow. What did you have for unanswerables? A couple things in addition to what we've already discussed. What happened to the two dogs? that Gage got to make this a warm welcoming lived-in home. He is trying to court Diana and convince her that he's a regular Joe,

ready to settle down and live a normal life and isn't a complete creep who offered a million dollars to fuck her on a yacht. And she says, you need some furniture, you need some dogs, boom, here we go, two beautiful pops. Well, when she gets out of the car at the end, the million dollar lie, it's a parting of the way, is a fork in the road. Does he keep the dogs? Does he give them a loving home?

Does he get rid of them the next day? I need to know. Those dogs are gone. It's devastating to think about. Shackleford shot them in the backyard and buried them. Don't say that. That does bring me to my next. That's horrible,

but it does unfortunately bring me to my next unanswerable question, which is has Shackleford actually killed someone? You know, when Gage says that, is he just, is it bluster? Is he just trying to intimidate David and make him think he's the kind of guy who could order somebody to kill someone? Or did Shackleford actually do it?

Because your inclination as a viewer is the form. Oh, this is like false bravado, right? It's the kind of thing you say. Do you think Colin the Grim Reaper on Succession? Do you think he's killed somebody? Logan Roars guy. Are you kidding? The answer is yes, right?

Without question. Without question. So Shackleford probably wasn't 100% intentional, but he might have tampered with some breaks. Might have been nothing like where he didn't commit the murder, but something bad happened that he was responsible. Interesting. Maybe a ceiling. collapse. He seems like a sweet guy, but yeah, some foul play, I would believe it.

Do you think that Shackleford, who put the business card, Gage's business card with the phone number in Diana's wallet? Did Diana actually receive it and put it there and is lying to David? Because again, there are other bits. Diana 100% cut the card. Okay. Because I think it was a pretty good night. Yeah. I think she kind of enjoyed it.

She wasn't quite ready to close the door completely on the gaugeathon. That's where the lies continued. 2.0. Okay. So you don't like the alternate history where Shackleford put the card in the way. wallet. All right. Fine.

Best double feature choice with this movie. I got unfaithful. I went with fatal attraction. Oh, that's good. Maybe this is like a triple feature. Just bang all three of them out. Take a long break during the second half of an decent proposal until we get to the charity scene.

The Andy and Red Zawantana Award for what happened the next day. I'm going with eventually divorce. This couple does not make it. No, not the next day. Paperwork is signed already, so. Yeah, I think they're back together. for a couple weeks. It's too weird. I think that the divorce is...

She got a little taste of the other life. I think it'll be another rich guy. The next day, though, immediately, before the divorce, I think they go to visit the hippo. Oh. Yeah. That's nice. One more nice moment before it all falls apart spectacularly.

What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? The water bed. With the cash. I want the two-headed coin. That's a good one. That's a more practical pick than mine. Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson. Everything's for sale.

Location, location, location. Peachfront property, can't get over it. Who won the movie? You got Redford, don't you? Yeah, I do. Interesting. I get to be more. There you go.

All right. I'm really excited to hear what Craig thinks. Can't wait for Craig's thoughts. This movie is older than Craig or almost the same age. I was negative one when it came out. This movie is good enough. You know? Exactly what you mean.

Yeah. It's surprisingly entertaining and relatively, like, well-paced enough that I was like, all right. Like, I threw this on, like, before I went to bed. And, like, I was like, I didn't want to go to sleep. I was just like, I was like, okay, 10 more minutes. All right, 10 more minutes. And I kind of was hanging around. With that said, Gage is a fucking loser.

He's not a bad guy. He's a loser. He's an in-sell, practically. He's like a YouTuber pickup artist. He has a fucking fake coin to, trick women into getting whatever he wants. The dude is an absolute loser. He's like stalking people. We don't know anything about him.

He's like an empty house. I just think he's like a massive loser. Wow. Do you think the two-headed coin? She was going through it either way, wasn't she? Well, yeah, probably. I think definitely. When he hands her the coin, I'm surprised she didn't look down and be like, what the fuck? She's a freak.

She smiled. She smiled. Yeah. I like this. John Gage is a maniac. He's a fucking loser. It's because it's red fur. He does kind of throw you off from there's like nine or ten different things about Gage that makes you kind of wonder about him.

I like this. Why isn't he buried? We don't know anything about him. What does he do all day? He's just falling her around? He's driving around a shackleford. He doesn't know how to play pool? I like this. This is a part of the remake, the prestige TV remake, the Encel aspect. Yeah, it's like...

This is a part of the reveal over like an eight episode season. Like John Gage was there on January 6th. Well, there's like a don't worry darling aspect to what Craig is describing. Yeah. That I think is pretty interesting. I actually never saw, Don't worry, darling.

It's pretty bad. No comment. That's a whole other podcast. There's a lot to parse there. The second I saw the coin thing, I was like, this guy sucks. This guy's super lame. But until then you were in. No, it's just like, this is just the chariot.

It's funny how I thought he sucked when he was gambling near all the common people. Yeah. It's like, you're so rich. Go into your private room. Also, Woodyhausen's an architect. The ratio of people in movies. that are architects compared to real life people who are architects. I've never met an architect.

I don't know anyone whose dad or mom is an architect. I wanted to be an architect when I was a kid. Everybody did. I did too. Because it sounds cool. You're like, I'll build cool buildings. One of my wonderful uncles got me multiple architecture books for my bat mitzvah, including this lovely book on Falling Water.

And I was looking at it, and I was like, I'm really pretty bad at art and math. I should figure out something else. Everyone's always an architect in movies and like rom-coms. Like, oh, the sexy guy's an architect. I don't know any architects. Craig, I think this would be an amazing hottest take for you. No more Hollywood architects.

Mr. Brady, the Brady Bunch was an architect. It's a great profession. I'm going to have some plans. Cool, like creative, but also masculine job for guys to have in a movie. It's a noble calling. Craig's right.

The ratio of architects in movies and TV over the years to actual architects, you know, in real life is way out of way. I've never met an architect. I don't know a single architect either. What should, okay, what should David's profession

have been instead? I don't know. I think he should have been like a bartender, honestly. Like he should have been working at Barney's Beanwood. Or like a school teacher or something. Yeah. Well? Well, maybe his dream would have been to be like a small business owner, but he's like a bartender for now.

Way more realistic. I thought he was like a hippie. Maybe I was just applying who Woody Harrelson is in real life to David, but I felt like them at the beginning when they were like, they felt like kind of beach bums to me. And then it was like, David went on to be a successful architect. I was like, oh, wow. Okay. Surf shop. Yeah.

That would have been fun. He should have been a hippie. Craig's right. Redford threw us off the scent. John Gage was a loser. It's a huge loser. I don't know if he's a bad guy or a good guy, but kind of a weirdo, and it just seems like he could have found other people.

All right, this was fun. The rewatchables. Produced by Craig Horlebeck, as always. Next week, we're doing... It's a one for CR, one of his favorite movies of all time. That's next week.